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Town Hall Talk: McCain Challenges Obama, Again

Updated 5:52 p.m.
By Sarah Lovenheim
President Obama's key opponent during the presidential election is back on the ground challenging him, only this time he's focusing his jabs on health-care reform. Speaking to the elderly at Grace Bible Church today in Sun City, Ariz., Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) asked a crowd of about 1,200 constituents to consider the costs of Obama's reform proposals.

Dozens of "angry would-be audience members were turned away at the front door" before the event began, according to the Daily News-Sun.

Pastor Bill Bjork, who led the logistical planning of the town hall meeting, said the church denied some people entrance because the event "went way beyond or capacity to hold, so we had to turn some people away."

The county sheriff's department was asked "to help keep it under control and maintain calm," he said.

Once the forum started, the Arizona senator clung to the sort of rhetoric he used during the presidential campaign, addressing audience members as "friends" as he made his case.

"You don't have to take my word for it, friends, we're talking about a new trillion-dollar or multi-trillion dollar debt laid on Americans,'' he said.

McCain, who agrees with Obama on the need for reform but disagrees with his approach, used his time to stress a main point of contention. "What we cannot, and must not do is the quote, public option, which is really the government option," he said.

A public option, he asserted, will lead to "the disappearance of private insurance over time."

McCain said he'll view health-care reform talks slated to resume in September as "a beginning" if lawmakers remove the public option from the negotiating table.

Despite his opposition to the president's plan, McCain encouraged the audience to "be respectful" as debate over health-care reform intensifies.

During a question-and-answer period, a woman concerned about the cost of health-care reform remarked, "I would like to know how the president is getting by with all this money.... It's against the Constitution. Doesn't he know that we live under the Constitution?''

McCain's response was followed by boos from the audience. "I'm sure he respects the Constitution ... I am absolutely convinced he is sincere in his beliefs... I just disagree...He is the president of the United States, and let's be respectful."

Grace Bible Church volunteer Marie Schwandt told The Post she was shocked by the size of the crowd. "I've been here about five years and the number of people that came out was the most I've seen at this Church at once," she said.

Compared to town halls across the country on health-care reform that have been disrupted by protesters, Bjork said this event went "exceedingly well. No one went ballistic."

Bjork links the orderly meeting to a call for prayer and the tight security. "We're giving people credit for praying for peace -- that there would be no ugly or unpleasant [activity]. Because this is a church where we gather to worship the Lord, we asked people to pray about it," he said.

At the start of the event, Bjork told the audience of his own prayers and asked others "to pray for a civil, courteous and constructive" town hall meeting. He followed his plea with, "Can I get an amen to that?" The audience replied with a round of applause.

By Washington Post editors  |  August 25, 2009; 4:03 PM ET
Categories:  Health Reform  
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"During the Q & A, a woman concerned about the cost of health-care reform remarked, "I would like to know how the president is getting by with all this money.... It's against the Constitution. Doesn't he know that we live under the Constitution?''"

It's really scary just how stupid some of the people who are complaining about the health care plan really are. Let's see - there are 5 (count 'em - FIVE) bills in the House and Senate as we speak; President Obama has actually said - I want a health care reform bill; Congress, come up with one...which is the way that that bills are created in this country.

Yet, something that he is doing is unconstitutional...?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 25, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Everytime I see the Old Crank McCain, I thank my lucky stars that his befuddledness isn't the POTUS. We would be so deep in a world-wide depression now that people would be jumping off of roof-tops. The guy who unleashed Sarah Palin on the world, would have, in his good judgment, been appointing untold numbers of equally unqualified maverick to positions through-out the government. What a mess.

John, my friend, hang it up. You're embarrassing your self.

Posted by: thebobbob | August 25, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I got this from your website the other day in a blog cession on Seniors and Cola:
this is info on insurance CEO's by one of your bloggers:
angriestdogintheworld wrote:
> ANNUAL COMPENSATION OF HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY EXECS
> (2006, 2007, or 2008 figures):
>
> • Ronald A. Williams, Chair/ CEO, Aetna Inc.,
> $23,045,834; $24.3 million in 2008
> • H. Edward Hanway, Chair/ CEO, Cigna Corp, $30.16
> million
> • David B. Snow, Jr, Chair/ CEO, Medco Health, $21.76
> million
> • Michael B. MCallister, CEO, Humana Inc, $20.06 million
> • Stephen J. Hemsley, CEO, UnitedHealth Group,
> $13,164,529
> • Angela F. Braly, President/ CEO, Wellpoint, $9,094,771;
> $9.8 million in 2008
> • Dale B. Wolf, CEO, Coventry Health Care, $20.86
> million
> • Jay M. Gellert, President/ CEO, Health Net, $16.65
> million
> • William C. Van Faasen, Chairman, Blue Cross Blue Shield
> of Massachusetts, $3 million plus $16.4 million in
> retirement benefits
> • Charlie Baker, President/ CEO, Harvard Pilgrim Health
> Care, $1.5 million
> • James Roosevelt, Jr., CEO, Tufts Associated Health
> Plans, $1.3 million
> • Raymond McCaskey, CEO, Health Care Service Corp (Blue
> Cross Blue Shield), $10.3 million
> • Daniel P. McCartney, CEO, Healthcare Services Group,
> Inc, $ 1,061,513
> • Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan,
> $1,657,555
> • Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
> • Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751
> • Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan,
> $1,657,555
> • Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
> • Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751;
> $8.8 million in 2008
> • James Carlson, AMERIGROUP, $5.3 million in 2008
> =====================
>
> you can be absolutely sure their salaries will be going up
> further....

Posted by: lindalu1 | August 25, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Why dont they investigate the insurance industry and books of the insurance healthcare industry...and their salaries, bonuses, and perks...check it out find out what and where our monies are going...certainly not for the SENORS

Posted by: lindalu1 | August 25, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

McBlame and the rest of the Republicants can't stop lying now. They've been doing it so long that they don't know any other way.

Posted by: COLEBRACKETT | August 25, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

A public option, he asserted, will lead to "the disappearance of private insurance over time."
Such a pity! They allowed public options for transportation. First the blacksmiths, then out went, the whole horse and buggy industry. Now they want to let that be the fate of the whole insurance industry. We'll, "friends", we can't let that happen... .
You say: "let the strong survive, and the weak ones die" that is, until something stronger than what you have to offer comes along.

Posted by: com1rich | August 25, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I can’t speak for the thousands of people who are showing up at town hall meetings, but I can tell you what angers and frustrates me. I have heard the snake oil sales pitch from both parties. The trend seems to be - they introduce a controversial bill in the house. There is public outcry against the bill. The politicians go forth and give us the snake oil speeches of how this is going to be good for us. They get everyone calmed down and pass the bill thru congress and it is signed into law. Then after it is too late to do anything about it we find out that some dirty little details in the law gives us a bridge to nowhere, or special competitive edges to some friend of the congressman who’s support was needed, or funds a group that gives one politician or political party an advantage over another. So in the end the wonderful things this snake oil was supposed to accomplish are only half as good as we were lead to believe. If this happened 1 time in 10 it would be bad enough but it happens in instance after instance. to a point that it is the rule rather than the exception.

Posted by: allieoop1 | August 25, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

One woman asked if illegal aliens would be covered in the reform bill.

That question pops up at every meeting with the same answer - no.

I think that it's time that the people at these meetings, old white people, substitute knowledge over fear in their lives.

Posted by: FredCDobbs | August 25, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

This topic really seems to illicit a lot of tribalism from people.
I find it refreshing that McCain is asking people to be respectful and sensible. Given the gross amounts of negative spin coming from the conservative media (i.e. Fox News pundits, AM radio talk show hosts, etc) it is very concerning that many Republican leaders seem unable to frame an effective debate without resorting to those same bottom-shelf tactics.
These topics need to be discussed by sober, fair and practical people, including those that are more business minded (like the Republicans are supposed to be).

Posted by: malcolmlearner | August 25, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Seems clear to me the noise at these town hall meetings is more about anti-Obama than anti anything about Obama's health care proposals.

Not too complicated--The Party Of No is pissed a Democrat in in the White House, and it doesn't help matters this Democrat is a black man.

Posted by: binkynh | August 25, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The only people who support Obamacare are Obama, his accomplices, and those who have been brainwashed (dumbed down) due a substandard and politicized education. They demonstrate that Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov was right when warned us that our enemies were working hard at brainwashing us (dumbing us down) and would succeed if we did not defend our principles: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1 Please share this video with others. It explains what’s going on.

The dumbed down are obviously unable to understand that Obamacare will further contribute to "the American descent into Marxism," which "is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple…" http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

Fortunately, as we can see in the town halls, most Americans have NOT been dumbed down and they will do whatever necessary to defend themselves, their children and grandchildren from the abomination of Obamacare.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 25, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

To JohnD in Houton. You comment about how "stupid" the female audience member was for suggesting President Obama was not cognizant of Constitutional constraints. While dripping with sarcasm you proceed to proclaim that "there are 5 (count 'em - FIVE) bills in the House and Senate as we speak" and you glibly note that a President asking Congress for a law "is the way that bills are created in this country....Yet, something that he is doing is unconstitutional...?" John, every statute the Supreme Court has ever held unconstitutional was at one time a duly passed bill enacted by Congress and signed into law by the President. Many such bills were actually requested by the President in office at the time. I'm not necessarily saying the health care bills would be unconstitutional, but your argument in defense of their constitutionality is vacuous. Plus, a little word to the wise... When calling someone else stupid one should try not to evoke the pot---->kettle---->black phenomenon.

Posted by: stamer1 | August 25, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lindalu1
> you can be absolutely sure their salaries will be going up
> further....
**************************

Refers to the list of healthcare corporate CEO salaries Lindlu1 provides us in his/her comment.

WHERE IS THE LIST OF THE $$$ MADE BY THE TRIAL ATTONEY'S FOCUSED ON MALPRACTICE INSURANCE????? They have some pretty nice yachts... Bigger than the CEOs of the healthcare companies....

Maybe Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, DODD, and the "Salary TSAR" won't mind putting a CAP on the amount the malpractice Plaintiff's Bar makes (lets say $250k, since that is what Obama seems to think is a lot of money).

OOOPS... Forgot. The Democrats would NEVER do that... The contributions from the trial lawyers is too big.

OOOOPS... Forgot. There are studies out there which show tort reform doesn't result in lower the cost of insurance. AHHH... But none of those studies have empirical evidence from capitalism at work, whereby consumers can purchase insurance across state lines.

SUGGESTION: lets focus on the total compensation of trial lawyers who are TRULY increasing the cost of risk premiums as calculated by actuaries at insurance companies, instead of pointing fingers at CEOs that know how to legitimately earn their stripes in the business community.

I'm so sick of people going after people that have legitimate ways to earn a living, with established contracts, and performance targets for overachievement (Wall Street). Capitalism made this country great, invovative, and the most successful country in the world. Stop with the entitlements, and socialism. Making a lot of money is NOT a bad thing.

Posted by: Roughneck | August 25, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

FredCDobbs wrote "One woman asked if illegal aliens would be covered in the reform bill.

That question pops up at every meeting with the same answer - no.

I think that it's time that the people at these meetings, old white people, substitute knowledge over fear in their lives."

Well, I don't know what bills you're reading but an amendment to prevent this coverage from going to illegals was defeated. So, yes, it is definitely going to cover illegals.

Also, I don't think these meetings are dominated by "old, white people". They are already covered under Medicare. It's the middle class, middle aged people (white, black, brown, red, and yellow by the way) who don't want to see taxes go sky high to pay for it that are attending these meetings.

Posted by: philh3 | August 25, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Remember when there was talk of a McCain / Lieberman ticket? Now that was one thing America couldn't afford.

Posted by: whocares666 | August 25, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Antonio, that's just crazy. Do you really think like that? Are you a LaRouchite? Have you considered that maybe President Obama is actually trying to get some decent options for the uninsured while addressing costs? Is that possible? I mean, that is one of the issues he ran on, and for which he received a majority of the votes, so forgive me if I would go with the obvious explanation as opposed to your "communist coup" ideas. I have to give you teabaggers credit for imagination, but "smarter?" Have you seen some of these folks at the town halls?

Posted by: benjaminanderson | August 25, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm a 60 year old man, retired in Colorado. My 87 year old parents are typical of those in this town hall meeting. For over 20 years now, although they are wealthy by most standards, they have recieved Social Security and Medicare benefits. They are "nice" loyal Republicans - patriotic Americans, as they like to say. I have challenged them to put their money where their mouth is. My plan is to have T-shirts made up with the famous Ronald Reagan quote about Medicare, his fear that if it passed in 1961:"Medicare passage means we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in America when men were free." Although they rely heavily on Medicare, they despise Obama and his plans as unconstitutional, "fascism" and"socialism", noting they "don't want anything to do with it." I have asked them to join me in canvasing all seniors who depend on Medicare to petition to end this 100% government run socialistic program, so that they can buy only on the private market. How many do you think will go for this??? Hypocricy is running rampant in the Republican party.

Posted by: truthseeker13 | August 25, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the true statement "no illegal aliens will be covered" in the health reform proposals is this: all they have to do is extend amnesty to non-citizens and they are no longer illegal - tah dah...they're covered!

Posted by: LLWB | August 25, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: philh3

FredCDobbs wrote "One woman asked if illegal aliens would be covered in the reform bill.

That question pops up at every meeting with the same answer - no.

I think that it's time that the people at these meetings, old white people, substitute knowledge over fear in their lives."
*******************************

Au Contraire, Mr. uninformed.... What is completely missing from HR3200: A way to verify eligibility of U.S. citizenship.

Otherwise, this is just another of many sneaky socialist methods to increase taxes. (oh, btw, aliens don't pay taxes, and this only invites more to come here, and means this would be a blank check to illegals, at the minimum, with the current population, about $200 Billion)

Has anyone seen HR 676? Thats a doozy too... Any visitor to our country gets healthcare, if this is passed. (gotta love ACORN) (Not)

Posted by: Roughneck | August 25, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

How about McCain challenges Grassley about the man who, at a town hall said he would take a gun to Washington if enough joined him (after stating that Obama was a little Hitler), and Grassley did not challenge or discourage him in any way.

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/25/gop-senator-brushed-off-assassination-threat/

Posted by: alysheba_3 | August 25, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Look at all those angry white folk. Not a smiling face in the crowd. All cranky and sour.

Posted by: dorklord | August 25, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

All an illegal alien currently needs to do to receive health care is to go to the local emergency room. ERs are, by law, required to provide treatment.
Even if one of the many plans being considered now DID cover the undocumented peoples in this country, it would probably be more efficient and more economical than what is happening now.

Posted by: malcolmlearner | August 25, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for your insults, benjaminanderson. Yes, I absolutely believe everything I wrote. Don’t forget that, as his parents, relatives, mentors and friends, Obama is a radical Marxist who hates the U.S.

Obama wanting to help the uninsured while addressing costs?!! No thinking adult believes such ridiculous fairy tales! Obama has already multiplied our deficit without counting the TRILLIONS his Obamacare and cap and trade scams are going to cost us.

Obamacare is another step towards Marxism, a system in which the individual is sacrificed for the “collective” or the “state” (the thugs in power). In such a system, those who can’t be used by the thugs must be terminated.

Obama’s Health Care Czar Ezekiel Emanuel has said that “Medical care should not be given to those who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.”

As per Dr. Emanuel, your mother suffering from Alzheimer’s or your child diagnosed with Down’s Syndrome SHOULD NOT receive medical care. http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/barack-obama-appoints-doctor-death-as-health-care-czar/

And Obama’s "Science Czar" John Holdren has called for population-control policies such as forced abortions, mass sterilizations, and mandatory population controls. http://www.prisonplanet.com/john-holdren-obamas-science-czar-forced-abortions-and-mass-sterilization-needed-to-save-the-planet.html

Obama, a radical Marxist who hates the U.S., has surrounded himself with radical czars and they are all working hard to destroy us. Obamacare is part of their strategy to destroy us and impose Marxism on us.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 25, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

benjaminanderson, Obama won the election becaused, aided by U.S. enemies, he FOOLED people.

When Obama was running for President, those of us who have suffered because of Castro, Chavez, and the rest of the Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America recognized Obama's kinship with them.

Obama's campaign strategy -- based on lies, manipulation, intimidation and fraud, with overwhelming support from a corrupt media -- was almost identical to the strategies of the Marxist thugs.

Many of us believed then that Americans were too smart to be fooled as the most ignorant Venezuelans, Bolivians, Ecuadorians had been fooled.

We were wrong. Many Americans had been dumbed down to the point that they were fooled with fairy tale promises of CHANGE to help to poor, to end corruption, to make everbody happy and wealthy… to make everything better.

And now they are being fooled again and are ready to let a Chavez-like Obama take control of their health care system!

Fortunately, not all Americans have been dumbed down, as we can see in the town halls! Most Americans have not been dumbed down and prefer to be FREE.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 25, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The angry white mobs at these townhalls are getting a lot of press. I can't help but believe there are a lot of "regular" folks who see them for who they really are: fearful, irrational, prejudiced, and self-righteous. McCain in his mavericky way did try to quell their angry NAZI slanders and boos, but pandered to them never the less. Is there even a tiny ounce of personal courage and integrity anywhere to be found in the Republican party? If so, I just don't see it! Please show me some sign of intelligent life in the Republican party. I'll be waiting but wont hold my breath. Very sad, so sad.

Posted by: truthseeker13 | August 25, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Check out this video where AMA physicians answer patient questions about health system reform and debunk some of the myths that are still out there. http://www.hsreform.org

Posted by: AmerMedicalAssn | August 25, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Have you all notice a trend?

Left name calling consists of "stupid", "angry", "old, white folk", "wingnuts", "uneducated"

Right name calling - "Hitler", "Radical Marxist who hates America", "Barack Hussein Obama", "Fascist"

Hmmm, this makes me think that for the people on the right, the problem is President Obama and not anything within the health care bill. The problem is not Congress, not the House, not the Senate, not the people who crafted the bill. It is just Obama.

Posted by: harrytam | August 25, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Antonio Sosa: Just a suggestion but if you seek to persuade people of your position you might try using a bit of logic and realism. Do you honestly believe that those of us who consider ourselves independents would ever consider your opinions rational and based in reality? It is no wonder that Republicans lost the college educated voters this last election. Sure there are problems with "Obamacare", but the rational mainstream Americans aren't going to fall for the Nazi, Marxist slander! Your goal of hoping to bring down Obama is patently obvious and your hatred and bigotry quite clear. Think about who you are attracting and the company you keep. Don't you believe America is the land of oportunity and prosperity for all her citizens?

Posted by: truthseeker13 | August 25, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

harrytam: I agree that for the republicans, it is not health care but rather their anger at losing the election and they are venting at Obama. Is anyone really listening anymore? I don't see it at all from Republicans, even though I am still trying to figure out what is actually in "Obamacare". Afterall, he hasn't written a word in 3200, has he? He has only stated obvious goals that all of us should have in fixing the dysfunctional health care system. Enlighten me, if you can!

Posted by: truthseeker13 | August 25, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain seems to be laboring under the deluded belief that people still take him seriously.

Posted by: nodebris | August 26, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

The anti health care crowd is just scary. Like beaten dogs, they sound frightened, defensive and ready to attack.
I can understand reluctance to enlarge a portion of the federal government to provide health care for all. The vitriol towards well meaning people is strange though. Obama and much of congress, I believe, do want to enact an effective means of providing health care to America in a fair and complete manner.

Posted by: rjbunny | August 26, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

The DNC, sadly will continue to wage "legislative war" against American seniors, when in fact they are the ones who fought the wars and made the country successful, yet the propaganda and lack of respect is the thanks they get from the Obama Administration which works overtime to destroy what good people have built and sacrificed for to protect and sustain!
Nothing the DNC does builds America. It only spends money and puts all of us in hopeless debt.
The DNC's idea of progress is more spending for nothing, big words and empty promises, but real enslavement! And to think we have always fought for citizen freedom in the United States... tragic...

Posted by: USDefender | August 26, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

McCain's town meeting was great!

Posted by: annlawler26 | August 26, 2009 4:17 AM | Report abuse

Here in Australia we have free public hospital healthcare for all Aussie citizens and visitors from other countries who have reciprical healthcare agreements.
The cost is taxed on the citizens, but we accept that in order to provide health care to all. Its something your country has to do. We also have a Private health care companies which can provide cover at extra cost. About 30% of Australians have Private health cover. If you need an operation - its simple you can pay privately and have your choice of surgeon or alternately you can elect to have the surgery done in the public health system. Yes you may have wait a short time for elecive surgery. But its free! Aussie Public Hospital generally are better equipped than private hospitals.
If you are in an vehicle accident here and need life saving treatment it will be a public hospital that saves your life, as thats were our Paramedic Ambulances take you
With the US the leader of the free world, etc... it seems sad that you cant even provide basic hospital services for those who need it. President Obama's eigth step plan look like a sensible start. Better public hospital healthcare will reduce the burden on the country in the long run.

Posted by: penguin217 | August 26, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Why doesn't this idiot just fade away in to one of his 11 houses, or is it 12, not even he is sure. This is a classic example of why the Republicans are a lost party. I call their party the Republican Convalescent Home.

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | August 26, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts as well...

Subject: "Let me get this straight"


"Let me get this straight. The Congressional health care plan will be written by a
committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress
that hasn't read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a
president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes,
overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and f inanced by a country that
is broke. What could possibly go wrong?"

Posted by: rw62827 | August 26, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain should talk about his insurance plan from the 2008 campaign. He wanted to take away the tax break companies get for covering employees. That way all of us would have to qualify on our own or as a family. If anyone was sick they could only get the family qualified if they excluded that person. If you tried to qualify as a single and had a pre existing condition you were out of luck forever. You would have to pay all of your own bills with no insurance at all. Then if you did get accepted but you got sick after, say 10 years of premiums, when you made a claim for a serious illness you would be dropped. As a single person you have no clout. Plus insurance companies know that the chances you would sue them are one in ten thousand. So the odds are all in their favor. That they get all those years of premiums and you get nothing. McCain's plan was the single best thing anyone could do for insurance companies and the worst for Americans. I think he should talk about that. Plus, be careful of Cobra. It only lasts 18 months and if you get sick during that time you will be uninsurable so start looking even if you do choose Cobra. And please tell me one thing, who scares old people just to win. My little mother would have been terrified. As much as I miss her I am glad she never saw the day when this much slime came to politics and polite discourse completely vanished.

Posted by: MuchAdo1 | August 26, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The last thing we need to hear is anything from the guy that picked Palin as a running mate. He wasn't very smart in school or life.

Posted by: rsthila1 | August 26, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

AntonioSosa you are a shining example of the right-wing, conspiracy driven, fearful, angry, and uneducated that have been deceived by the Republican propaganda machine. And you think these people are "smarter". Compared to you, perhaps -but that is setting the bar REALLY low.

Science now proves that obsession with anti-government conspiracy theories is a MENTAL ILLNESS. You might want to make an appointment and have that checked out before you hurt yourself, someone you know, or before you encourage one of the mindless people who believe you to commit some fear-driven act of violence.

Hitler's right hand man constantly pumped out propaganda about the jews, i.e. how lazy they were, how they had no integrity, how they didn't think the way "WE" do, how they were going to try to take over the world, how they were like animals, and on and on. It's the same vitriol that I hear spouted about Obama and democrats on right-wing radio and cable networks and in blogs and social networking sites. Obama/Democrats/Liberals are portrayed as evil or having underlying evil intentions - instead of people who have differing philosophies (for example, trickle down or bottom up economics, healthcare, civil liberties, etc.).

Newsflash: The Republicans don't have a monopoly on Christianity (as a matter of fact a lot of their policy stances go against the compassion that Christ stood for), integrity (just watch the news), or patriotism. We all love our country even if we have differing views about how to solve problems.

Posted by: tgialmostjanuary | August 26, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Roughneck you wrote, "I'm so sick of people going after people that have legitimate ways to earn a living, with established contracts, and performance targets for overachievement (Wall Street). Capitalism made this country great, invovative, and the most successful country in the world. Stop with the entitlements, and socialism. Making a lot of money is NOT a bad thing."

You're right - there is nothing wrong with making a lot of money - but when you do it by systematically denying coverage and causing countless people to die - people who paid good money for your "product" and expected it to do what it said and protect them in case they ever got ill - then it becomes a problem. And the bigger the CEO pay then the BIGGER the problem.

Posted by: tgialmostjanuary | August 26, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"Respect The President" MCCain says.
McCain reminds me of "The Manchurian Candidate" because his actions indicate a he is in a zombie dream like trance and he is trying to be a gentleman dealing with thugs "The Joker". McCain is not "The Maverick of "The Senate" (he is laughably a joke), He has become a Moderate Centrist Republican lacky to Obama.

Posted by: justanothervet | August 26, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

President Obama, unlike any President in recent memory has left responsibility for legislation in the hands of the legislators! He has made a request and offered his opinion on what he considers desirous in a health care bill. The result has been that those opposing health care reform use the congressional debate as a way of attacking the administration of President, rather than doing the job for which they were elected. I want to know what McCain has done to resolve the legislative impasse other than like many others--pontificate and equivocate! We now have a President who not only understands the constituional process, but also respects it. This is the change I for one believes in!

Posted by: orlkon | August 26, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

President Obama, unlike any President in recent memory has left responsibility for legislation in the hands of the legislators! He has made a request and offered his opinion on what he considers desirous in a health care bill. The result has been that those opposing health care reform use the congressional debate as a way of attacking the administration of President, rather than doing the job for which they were elected. I want to know what McCain has done to resolve the legislative impasse other than like many others--pontificate and equivocate! We now have a President who not only understands the constituional process, but also respects it. This is the change I for one believes in!

Posted by: orlkon | August 26, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

President Obama, unlike any President in recent memory has left responsibility for legislation in the hands of the legislators! He has made a request and offered his opinion on what he considers desirous in a health care bill. The result has been that those opposing health care reform use the congressional debate as a way of attacking the administration of President, rather than doing the job for which they were elected. I want to know what McCain has done to resolve the legislative impasse other than like many others--pontificate and equivocate! We now have a President who not only understands the constituional process, but also respects it. This is the change I for one believes in!

Posted by: orlkon | August 26, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Health Care reform need not be so complicated. Here are the basics:

l. Everyone should be eligible for some level of assistance.

2. Funding should be provided in the same way that funding is provided for social security, highways, education, prisons and police. Taxes are graduated according to income levels.

3. Health care is a moral and humanitarian imperative. Let policy makers put their heads together in a rational way, and let their be an end to name calling. The extremist tirades of talk radio and the name calling from congressional opponents are unacceptable. "We the people....promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity..." says the preamble to the U. S. Constitution.

Posted by: Upeach | August 26, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I had the TV on last night when the news broke that Ted Kennedy had died... I went to cable news networks one by one, CNN, msnbc --- these two had their coverage up and running.
So I checked out FoxNews. Greta VonSustern was interviewing John McCain ... she said regarding the public option (seems THIS is the "Obamacare" in the eyes of the right wing... they obviously don't read legislation in it's entirety, just what they can use to scare gullible folks...)
"Obama has said over and over no one would lose private insurance, so Senator McCain, is he wrong, is he lying...?"

McCain replies "He must have been given wrong information..."

I almost needed health care from the blood pressure rise ....what!
So McCain knows what is in the Democrat written legislation better than the Democrat president that shepherds it...?

I can't imagine how McCain and his Republican cohorts can even take themselves seriously. Do they avoid mirrors?

I, just one little citizen have taken the time to read the proposed legislation and I know what it says... but they have to lie, because they want one thing only -- to defeat Obama, American people be damned.
Hypocrites!

Oh about seven or eight minutes into it, FNN finally cut the McCain interview off and "broke" the news that Kennedy had died.

Posted by: veracity99 | August 26, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Somehow I fail to see how keeping our current health care system intact is of a benefit to anyone who is not already getting rich off of it. Does anyone other than me think that it is stupid for us to keep paying exorbitant premiums so that the health insurance companies can spend the $1.4 million dollars a day that they have been spending since April to keep things the way that they are?

Posted by: MET9 | August 26, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey, We didn't vote this Guy for president.

Posted by: drtodd1977 | August 27, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Sen. McCain is a no no no guy. He blames evryone but himself and is an old age man complaining. He cannot forget he was defeated and we chose the right President by the people and for the people in election. Sen. McCain(not PResident McCain) should start cooperating and stop being a sore loser.

Posted by: barryaudrey | August 27, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

How sad that McCain's sole purpose now appears to be bashing the President, the same guy who cleaned his clock last November.

Once upon a time, McCain had a well-deserved reputation for being his own man - a maverick, if you prefer. But now he's just the guy who's against everything the president (and the majority who elected him)is for. Pathetic, really.

Posted by: ched | August 27, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain is right about Health Care reform and what our legislators as well as President Obama should focus on. They should restructure Medicare, Medicaid/Medical and the VA...These government run entitlements that are broken. As a health care professional, I have seen the freight train coming for a long time with Medicare and Medical/Medicaid...This administration should focus on these government run entities first...If these legislators haven't attempted to restructure Medicare/Medical/Medicaid when they've known the financial status of these providers, why would anyone in their right mind think they could do any better overhauling our nation's entire health care system??? Not I!!!

Posted by: Rhonda5 | August 27, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

So for profit insurance companies will die. Too bad, they have allowed many people to die while they got rich. I'll be glad if this happens. It actually doesn't have to because they can sell spplemental policies. All Americans deserve access to basic health care. UNIVERSAL SINGLE PAYER is the only way this can be achieved. We will all pay either in premiums or taxes. At least everyone would have access under a single plan.

Posted by: wwdmvician | August 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Here he goes again, claiming all the listeners as his "friends"! He must have very shallow requirements. The loser, McCain, states:

"You don't have to take my word for it, friends, we're talking about a new trillion-dollar or multi-trillion dollar debt laid on Americans.''

I wonder if he made the same worrisome statement when that amount of money was being used to kill people in Bush's personal wars?? Obviously that means it's o.k. to borrow money from the Chinese if it will be used for killing and devastation, but NOT if it is to be used to help keep OUR OWN people healthy.

Posted by: Maerzie | August 27, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, "thebobbob"! Good post. I agree with you completely.

Posted by: Maerzie | August 27, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Once the forum started, the Arizona senator clung to the sort of rhetoric he used during the presidential campaign, addressing audience members as "friends" as he made his case.
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Oh Sarah, you silly little girl. You mean like the obama rhetoric, "Let me be clear on this." My administration will be run with transparency.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!

Aren't you the joker!!!???!!!

Posted by: tjmlrc | August 28, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The angry white mobs at these townhalls are getting a lot of press. I can't help but believe there are a lot of "regular" folks who see them for who they really are: fearful, irrational, prejudiced, and self-righteous. McCain in his mavericky way did try to quell their angry NAZI slanders and boos, but pandered to them never the less. Is there even a tiny ounce of personal courage and integrity anywhere to be found in the Republican party? If so, I just don't see it! Please show me some sign of intelligent life in the Republican party. I'll be waiting but wont hold my breath. Very sad, so sad.
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Just like those evil patriotic bastards did in the Revolutionary War.
This country belongs to the people. Not a political party. Our ancestors fought to get where we are today. Did you think at any time that the American people would ever accept any government shoving something down their throats that the majority was against. Did you fail history in school? I've included the link to the Revolutionary War timeline so you can see how those bastards kept pushing and pushing for freedom and they finally got it. It's what this country is about and anyone who expects any of us to just lay down and take it doesn't really know us. http://www.ushistory.org/DECLARATION/revwartimeline.htm

Posted by: tjmlrc | August 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the post (Posted by: Roughneck | August 25, 2009 6:47 PM)

For those shouting for Tort reform and those shouting for smaller government and keeping the government out of our lives. Isn't what you are asking for contrictding yourselves? Tort reform would be the Government restricting private enterprise.

Of course this is the Republican party we're talking about.

Posted by: KD11 | August 29, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Those who purport to speak for the Republicon Party are those who are willing to kill innocents by war, flood, global warming, and lack of medical care and treatment yet there are still those who vote for them and their agenda. "What fools those mortals be."

Posted by: marrobcastle | August 30, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

The words below need to be etched in concrete on every sidewalk in Arizona & on every billboard... This pathetic senile old man should be in a hospital setting where he can't hurt himself or anyone around him rather then pretending he knows what day it is...

When John McCain picked Sarah Palin to be the possible leader of America he lost any credibility he ever had. John McCain would have put this whole nation in jeopardy & could have cost everyone of us the nation we love... Sarah Palin would have been the "Nero" of America as she watched our land go down the toilet under her pathetic so called leadership or really the lack of it....

Sarah Palin is without question John McCain's Waterloo... Go home John before you forget how to find it...

"Everytime I see the Old Crank McCain, I thank my lucky stars that his befuddledness isn't the POTUS. We would be so deep in a world-wide depression now that people would be jumping off of roof-tops. The guy who unleashed Sarah Palin on the world, would have, in his good judgment, been appointing untold numbers of equally unqualified maverick to positions through-out the government. What a mess.

John, my friend, hang it up. You're embarrassing your self."

Posted by: MrReal | August 31, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The proponents of a government run health care plan are so misguided, I really must question their educational achievements.

In our society, when examining an issue, it always proves wise to follow the money.
Healthcare reform is necessary, giving consideration to the salaries of insurance CEOs is not unreasonable, as they contribute little to patient care and their salaries by far exceed the CEOs of even the very best providers. Tort reform is an absolute necessity to prevent providers from being robbed by liability insurers, and greedy trial lawyers. Changing the laws so a more competitive marketplace exists, eliminating lifetime caps and pre-exisiting condition clauses are also a part of it. Further, we need to remove protections from liability for insurance purchased through an employer. Even true cooperatives, which function independent of the government are an option, however a tax payer funded, government run option is the most certain way of destroying our healthcare system. We can not afford the financial burden now, and even if we could, history teaches us that it is not what any of us would really want.

Rationed healthcare is a reality, even with our current system, but not to the degree that a government option would take it. The question is however, would you rather it be rationed by the federal budget built upon money borrowed from China, and the interest which is rapidly consuming more and more of our resources or upon your health insurance, purchased in a regulated but more competitive market place, where you can pursue satisfaction in the courts, if you absolutely must.

Posted by: randyjdavisgeo | August 31, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Typical republican tecnique, hide behind religion with people who have no idea whats going on. Maybe McCain should of told these people that Health care was the main contributor to the national debt? Maybe he should of told them that the insurance companies and the lawmakers were responsible for the massive increases that come on a yearly basis. And that the share holders in the health industries were the ones that were making all the money on this monopoly. Maybe he should of told them that the majority of all the republican defense was an all out lie.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | August 31, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who would like to see the complete Obama vision for the future of America should read the material shown on "cpusa" website.

Posted by: russburke2003 | August 31, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain still has visions of grandeur. He is too old and really unrealistic. I believe he is approaching senility and cannot admit that his ever changing philosophies, from choosing Sarah Palin as running mate to daily incoherent blabber signals his need to retire and shut up! Indeed many of the old yesteryear incoherent White guys in Washington should step aside. Time takes it toll.

Posted by: allowme1 | September 1, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

All of this leads up to the elections in 2012.
And the question is: Jimmy Carter Redux or Jimmy Carter Revenge?

Regards,
dePaul Consiglio

Posted by: depaulconsiglio | September 1, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

It's time to quit whining, you lost so get lost. You really never had a chance but when you picked the lipstick that was the final straw. Yep, she can see Russia from her front porch. HA! HA!

Posted by: SWAMPYPD | September 1, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse


McCain has lost all credability. He's demonstrated his judgement is lousy during the campaign, particularly in his VP pick. Now, every time Palin speaks, McCain sounds dumber. What a legacy.

Posted by: fgtilley | September 1, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

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