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AARP endorses House health-care bill

By Lori Montgomery
The AARP, the nation's largest and most influential association of older Americans, endorsed the House health-care bill Thursday morning and vowed to lobby House members in advance of Saturday's historic vote.

AARP vice president Nancy A. LeaMond said the House package, which would spend more than $1 trillion over the next decade to expand insurance coverage to millions of Americans who lack it, meets the group's chief goals for reform, including strengthening Medicare, the federal health program for people over 65.

"We can say with confidence that it meets our priorities for protecting Medicare, providing more affordable health insurance for 50- to 64-year-olds and reforming our health care system," LeaMond said in a briefing for reporters.

LeaMond praised House leaders for including a plan to close the coverage gap in Medicare prescription drug coverage known as the donut hole. Key Democrats said the endorsement, one of several expected today, could prove critical to pushing their vote count over the top.

"This gives the bill a very important boost,' said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), a member of the House leadership. "Some of our members are very nervous about how this bill has been received by seniors. For AARP to endorse it provides important validation."

By Lori Montgomery  |  November 5, 2009; 11:44 AM ET
Categories:  Health Reform  
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Comments

As a senior with presumably sound mind, I wonder if AARP has developed collective Alzheimer's.

Posted by: jayjay9 | November 5, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

No wonder AARP can afford all of those insurance mail outs we get. What did the WH and the insurance give the AARP for this? Hopefully a lot.

Posted by: KBlit | November 5, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I did not renew my subscription to AARP, as are millions of other seniors. All they are is a reseller of insurance. I wish them a quick death.

Posted by: w4vr | November 5, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The 20% who don't want reform wouldn't care if Jesus himself knocked on their door and said it'd be good for America. These people are sideshows and aren't worth the time to act inclusive with. They like being on the fringe and they really enjoy yelling. So let'em yell till their throats bleed. They'll now be able to get medical care afterwards courtesy of the rest of us.

Posted by: theobserver4 | November 5, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

AARP may have endorsed the health care bill, but that does not mean seniors do! I feel their support is pure political and not in the best interest of AARP members. I WILL CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP!!

Posted by: tu71 | November 5, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

AARP and the Democratic Party have become one and the same.

They make many promises, take our money, and we never see them or our money again.

Posted by: Jerzy | November 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The last time I checked the facts of the Pelosi bill, I agreed with the recent Wall Street Journal editorial and the US Chamber of Commerce position on this legislation. Hardly fringe groups that yell.....

I and many other 50-somethings will cancel their memberships to the AARP if they continue to support this bill!

Posted by: cajuninca1 | November 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The AARP has been pushing their Medicare Suppliment Insurance on TV for a couple of weeks now.

They know that with the $400 Billion cut in Medicare in the Obama bill seniors are going to need it.

Posted by: robtr | November 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

No you wouldn't, and neither would others. Of course, if you seniors only think about you seniors, and not the health of the rest of the country...well I can't really say what I want to on here but it would go along the lines of you can all kick the bucket right now.

Posted by: crzytwnman | November 5, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

So what is the deal that AARP made with the White House?
The majority of seniors don't want this health care bill.

I cancelled my membership back when they endorsed Part D. Best thing I did.

Posted by: sandynh | November 5, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully this key endorsement will help to calm these clueless do-nothing obstructionists. Somehow I doubt it though.

Posted by: Honest_Abe | November 5, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Still not explained by the AARP is how a bill that cuts, according to the CBO, almost a half trillion from Medicare is not going to hurt Medicare benefits. I would love to hear them provide an explanation for that one.


As for the vote in the House, I am sure it will pass, but this thing has absolutely no chance of getting past the Senate.

Posted by: Bob65 | November 5, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I was waiting for this to decide if I will renew my membership. Hooray for the AARP!! You're my hero!

Posted by: john_from_bama | November 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I hope the AARP understands this is why they will never get a cent out of me.

Posted by: nubeldorf1 | November 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

from cajuninca1:
"The last time I checked the facts of the Pelosi bill, I agreed with the recent Wall Street Journal editorial and the US Chamber of Commerce position on this legislation. Hardly fringe groups that yell"

I've found, over the years, that it it almost always in my best interest and and that of the people as a whole, to support the position opposed by WSJ and the USCofC. I see no reason to change now.

Posted by: destinysmom | November 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"The 20% who don't want reform wouldn't care if Jesus himself knocked on their door and said it'd be good for America."

The 20%? Where and the heck are you getting that number?

You certainly aren't getting that number from the polls, as this clearly shows:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php


The Blue Dogs who vote for this thing in the House are going to end their political careers for a bill that has no prayer at passing in the Senate.

Posted by: Bob65 | November 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

AARP has moved steadily more to its insurance associations. The present move is likely a business one. Recent mail asked me to support the AARP foundation. I also received two bright red plastic member cards, provided I submit a check.
Perhaps it is time to rethink membership.

Posted by: owing2 | November 5, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Question to the seniors who oppose this health care legislation and are showing up protesting today on the Hill -- will you all show your commitment to combatting "socialist" and "european-style" government by giving up you Medicare and Social Security benefits? Naturally, many the unemployed and retired who are protesting today are only able to do so because of the government checks they receive in the mail

Posted by: hoyalawya2 | November 5, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I have health insurance through Medicare. How AARP could support a health insurance bill for people other than their seniors is beyond reason. We have ours. Let them get theirs! I'm quitting AARP!

Posted by: mus81 | November 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

My brother, sister-in-law, her entire elgible family, and many friends have all cancelled their memberships to AARP because of their greedy, traitorous actions concerning this Government run Health Care plan. They are not interested in their members well being, only about $$$$. My brother joined American Seniors Association and his brother-in-law and wife joined 60-Plus. Check them out and tell AARP to take a hike!

Posted by: inmanorj | November 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The GOP plan for healthcare reform is basically every man, woman, child, and invalid for themselves.

Posted by: Honest_Abe | November 5, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Although it didn't change a thing, my parent's returned their card to the AARP a few weeks ago. I suppose, if enough members did the same, it might have some impact.

Posted by: JAH3 | November 5, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Makes you wonder who's side AARP is on...after thinking about it AARP is the insurance co of the elderly. They KNOW the elderly will need millions of $$$ more insurance to cover what the gov robs them of so who comes out on top...AARP not the seniors!!! Use YOUR voice Use your VOTE!!

Posted by: Immanurse | November 5, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I presume this blog is for serious comments. So, may I suggest that folks check out a report just published by the Commonwealth Fund. It's a study of more than 10,000 primary care physicians in 11 countries which finds the United States lags far behind in terms of access to care, the use of financial incentives to improve the quality of care, and the use of health information technology. In other countries, national policies have sped the adoption of such innovations. The study can be found at http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/In-the-Literature/2009/Nov/A-Survey-of-Primary-Care-Physicians.aspx

Posted by: JohnEO | November 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

another sell out.will not renew aarp membership

Posted by: pofinpa | November 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

You people who say that they are not renewing their Membership with AARP, drop your Metacare coverage too! AARP has done alot for many and supports seniors over 65 100% the ungreatful in this world are only thinking of themselves. Shame on you, everybody deserves heathcare. Go AARP!

Posted by: ggant | November 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't planning to join the AARP but now I will. This is very risky for them but they realize how important healthcare reform is for this country. Well done AARP!

Posted by: Honest_Abe | November 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

AARP needs to immediately change it's name to what it now is: AARP Health Insurance. There needs to be an alternative to AARP. They do not represent anything more than an insurance-retirement home company which has convinced people to send them money in the form of dues. I have, today, cancelled my membership and hope everyone does the same. Again the question is how much was the AARP Board paid for this travesty?

Posted by: KBlit | November 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the AARP actually endorsed it this time. Pelosi claimed they endorsed an earlier plan and was almost sued for slander and copyright abuse.

Regardless of whether they endorse it or not, you would have to be deaf to think that the majority of the population want this. I have never seen so many protests over one issue since the vietnam war. Represent the people. That is all we ask. Stop trying to take control. Why would you mess up 288 million people who are happy with what they have for 13 million who aren't? Try again.

Posted by: theonefisher1 | November 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much money AARP stands to make from this Democratic health care bill? As one who is solicited by AARP, I will NEVER give to that organization whxih is against my interests.

AARP has done us wrong.

Posted by: mll4440 | November 5, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

In protest, I have terminated my AARP auto, RV, and Homeowners policies! They refuse to listen to the majority of seniors. AARP has ceased to be an organization that is an advocate of seniors. Instead, it has become an "exploit the seniors" organization. The only thing that will get their attention is divestment of everything that contributes to their income.

Posted by: KingJL | November 5, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I am involved in political activism in Maryland mostly aligned with President Obama's vision. I am gong to suggest to our organization to coordinate a membership drive to help AARP gain new recruits to offset these clueless nitwits who say they are canceling their memberships.

Posted by: Honest_Abe | November 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I plan to cancel my AARP membership.

AARP is in it for the money that it makes on insurance plans, nothing else.

Posted by: kathy26 | November 5, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I trust AARP more than any distrust I have for them. It is good they endorsed the health care bill.

Posted by: truth1 | November 5, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

AARP and the Democratic Party have become one and the same.

They make many promises, take our money, and we never see them or our money again.

Posted by: Jerzy
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And this is different from the GOP how? Or did you get your AIG bailout money back?

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | November 5, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

If the AARP supports $500 billion in cuts from Medicare they will NEVER get another cent from me again.

Posted by: civilemik | November 5, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

More good news for the republicons. Those crazy anti-American communist socialist fascist Marxist acron senior citizens groups are with Obama and the Democrats -- proof that he is a dictator!

Posted by: John1263 | November 5, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

AARP = the loony-left d-crat socialist ACORN equivalent for seniors.

Just as Rahm (aka, Halderman the 2nd) and David (aka, Erlichman the 2nd) are the hussein henchmen against the TRUTH, AARP is now the white house henchman against the best interests of seniors.

Seniors: protect yourself and join the American Seniors Association - a group that works FOR you not AGAINST you.

Posted by: LoonyLeft | November 5, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The CBO's report on the GOP plan is right here: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10705/hr3962amendmentBoehner.pdf

In short, it solves nothing, saves less than the democratic plan, leaves 50+ millions uninsured, allows insurance companies to toss you if you're sick and allows them to prevent you from getting insurance if you have a preexisting condition. But it leaves you free to die in poverty.

Posted by: rramos01 | November 5, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't just cancell you memberships. That doesn't really bother them. If you want to get their attention, switch your insurance policies...ALL of them.

Posted by: KingJL | November 5, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

How for God sake you like to call your self a Christian and care just about you and not for people lacking health insurance? You and the right wingers should call properly Antichrists.

Posted by: bluelagoon21 | November 5, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

My wife and I cancelled our AARP membership over 18 months ago after listening to one of their "briefings" on healthcare. We are both 60 years old. After asking questions regarding their data and statistics and their calculated misrepresentation of facts we decided that the organizations' leadership had alterative motives for their actions and none were in the interest of their membership. I would suggest that as a journalist the writer should say exactly how many members the organization has in relationship to the entire population over 50. That will tell you how many "elderly" they really represent, which is no where near what the article attempts to protray in their opening line "largest organization". AARP is in it for AARP not for the people, it has just become another special interest organization in which its interests are of importance not the individuals.

Posted by: staterighter | November 5, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party has turned it's back on the American people. Now they act outraged because the AARP has dumped them. Go figure.

Posted by: JoeNTx | November 5, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It is time for the leadership of AARP to listen to it's members before they all abandon the organization! It is unforunate that the greed of the administrators out weigh the purpose of this membership organization. Not one informed retired person supports this bill as it is currently written.

Posted by: AmerIndianTaxpayer | November 5, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

All you dopes repeating the various and sundry fabricated claims by right wing pundits about how tis bill guts Medicare are funny. You are easier to fool than a two year old, who when you break a cookie in half thinks they now have two cookies. You are like the 18 month old who thinks they dissappear when they put their hands in front of their face. As good at analysis as a five year old who thinks that when you pour the liquid out of a short fat glass into a tall skinny galss that they suddenly have more liquid. Thank god there are laws to stop some of the fraud that would be so easy to perptrate on dopes like you. No wonder those people are still sending out those phony emails about being a prince from Nigeria - it is all because rubes like you are out there falling for the same tricks over and over and over and over again.

how often doe the gop have to go potty on your shoes before you clean them off and learn to stay away from such naughty unprincpled creeps?

Posted by: John1263 | November 5, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

OK senior who don't want government run heath insurance, cancel your medicare and buy private and save us tons of money.And shut up.

Posted by: bluelagoon21 | November 5, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I dropped my AARP and got a refund of subscription not used.
AARP does not speak for me or many of their members. They are profiting from this action and I want no part of them in my life. I am still getting health insurance forms daily in the mail from their co-horts!
They never cease!

Posted by: canyon2 | November 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

This could mark the beginning of the end for the AARP. Let's hope so.

Posted by: ravitchn | November 5, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I agree with AARP annd I am 60 years old. Time for a single payer option! Time we take care of our people here at home and get rid of the middleman (Insurance) who just robs us blind and offers us nothing but "your claim has been denied" - after you've paid them for years!

Posted by: TimeforChange | November 5, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if people read the bills before they comment. The health reform bill will not cut my Medicare Benifits.

AARP now and for all the years I have belonged has worked to protect seniors from lobbyist and others who would exploit us.

Please take the time to study the legislation and get some information from groups that are not affliated with the insureance industry. Try
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/
to help shed light on the subject.

Posted by: ldapper | November 5, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how many right wingers appear to be reading this liberal elitist mainstream rag. I have to wonder if this is a coordinated response by ditto heads.

I just can't understand how we have so many people who are constantly misinformed by the blowhards on fox and yell radio keep going back for more. I'd love to know how many of these people still think Saddam was responsible for 9/11 and think that the government shouldn't have anything to do with medicare. It's like a celebration of ignorance.

Posted by: rramos01 | November 5, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Seniors who complain should give up their medicare and go get insurance like the rest of us. It's clear that many seniors could care less about people who can't afford to get insurance as long as they can get theirs.

Posted by: jhop1104 | November 5, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I am a proud member of AARP. Millions of "ole timers" belong to AARP. Make no mistake AARP is a pro-active lobby for a special interest group.

Economists caution policy makers to assess the effect of a given policy, like health care, on one group vs. all groups.

Keep in mind that health care costs are largely paid by Medicare and employee benefit plans. Employee benefit plans are at the root of bankrupcty, especially at General Motors.

Our society cannot tolerate a pure "free market", because the unemployement rate would trend towards complete "free fall." This is why the government must act to rescue General Motors, and reform health care costs.

Some comments show a misunderstanding of the role played by lobbyists. Lobbyists, like AARP, are about protecting the entitlements of special interest groups. AARP is acting on behalf of its membership. That is what we members pay dues for. It is similiar to joining a labor union, like the United Auto Workers. The UAW did its best to protect its members, with health care premiums during and AFTER a labor contract (retirees still get health care).

Health care reform is about extending health care (access) to more than Medicare folks, and more than United Auto Workers. There are millions of US citizens who have no health care insurance because they are not members of special interest groups, who have powerful lobbyists.

Posted by: rmorris391 | November 5, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I presume this blog is for serious comments. So, may I suggest that folks check out a report just published by the Commonwealth Fund. It's a study of more than 10,000 primary care physicians in 11 countries which finds the United States lags far behind in terms of access to care, the use of financial incentives to improve the quality of care, and the use of health information technology. In other countries, national policies have sped the adoption of such innovations. The study can be found at http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/In-the-Literature/2009/Nov/A-Survey-of-Primary-Care-Physicians.aspx

Posted by: JohnEO

Thank you.

Again to the 20% dead enders......read this. Then listen to your ritual of Beck and Limbaugh. Why don't the findings gel together? Why do you think this is? What political leanings do you have and how do you tend to interpret plain language?

Posted by: theobserver4 | November 5, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

All these people declaring they will cancel their memberships in AARP are hilarious. Go ahead, sign up for the Republican version of senior health care - oh wait.

Who do they think pressured Congress into not touching Medicare all these years? Who do they think made even the thought of reducing Medicare into the third rail of politics?

Posted by: 8-man | November 5, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It’s hilarious how – no matter how beneficial something is – the ignorant continue to bash progress! Look – if you don’t want it, don’t get it! I am absolutely sick and tired of people not doing their own due diligence, and using what they hear on the Rush show to spread lies! Some of you people are too old to be so asinine.

Posted by: BasicInstinct | November 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the info, just got on their site and dropped my membership. Only 53 and obviously not as senile as the bunch running the organization

Posted by: kathymac1 | November 5, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

AARP is a communist plot! That is the only way this makes any sense. Are they out of their minds? Or better yet, who is paying off who? This is like the NRA voting against ammunition

Posted by: affirmativeactionpresident | November 5, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"how often doe the gop have to go potty on your shoes before you clean them off and learn to stay away from such naughty unprincpled creeps?"

After looking at the mis-spellings in just this one sentence (there are many more in your post) I think you should look in the mirror before you call someone else a dope.

Posted by: civilemik | November 5, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

AARP is gonna be mighty sorry for this.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | November 5, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

to basic instinct
What I don't want is to pay for everyone else's health insurance while they sit home on their couch watching tv

I am sick of everone talking about medicare, like it was something given for free. I guess to some, those that did not work and took handouts, finally get their free health care at 65. With the health care bill you can now be a young bum of 30 and get free health care

But for those of us that have worked, check out your W-2, we are paying for our medicare

Posted by: kathymac1 | November 5, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I'll sing on if all of Congress has to accept some version of this plan as their sole source of Health Care. Fair?

Posted by: TheDubb | November 5, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

AARP stopped really being an advocate for Seniors a while back. Much like the teachers association stopped representing a majority of teachers. They have an agenda. They wanted to endorse this bill months ago and did not because of the furor raised by their constituents. I guess they are getting a better deal now.

Posted by: VaBroker | November 5, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

YES! I'd despaired of this group after it had stood behind the prescription drug "plan" hoisted upon Medicare; now I can hope again...

Posted by: jujones1 | November 5, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

to basic instinct
What I don't want is to pay for everyone else's health insurance while they sit home on their couch watching tv

I am sick of everone talking about medicare, like it was something given for free. I guess to some, those that did not work and took handouts, finally get their free health care at 65. With the health care bill you can now be a young bum of 30 and get free health care

But for those of us that have worked, check out your W-2, we are paying for our medicare

Posted by: kathymac1

-----------------------------------------

Maybe in addition to working you should have read at least a summary of the bill before opening your mouth about it. It is not free. It has premiums like Medicare or any other insurance.

Posted by: theobserver4 | November 5, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

So, the AARP CEO is black and wealthy. Cashed in his race card, donated heavily to Obama, and is a Limousine Liberal racist.


Why would anyone join AARP?

To promote more wealthy blacks, to hire lobbyists for their insurance business, to endorse Obama the Fraud?

Racism comes in all colors. And the richer the Racist, the more blatant the behavior.

No way, AARP.

AARP needs a change in management.

He needs to "spend more time with his family."

At the mansion.

Betcha his house isn't very small. Or "diverse." Either.

Valerie Jarrett must have called in the chits on this fellow.

KaChing. I'm Black and Rich, and I can do what I want.

Sellout. Fraud.

Posted by: georgieporgie2 | November 5, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Fuc* You, AARP

Posted by: c_e_daniel | November 5, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I am not renewing my AARP membership; it no longer speaks for me.

Posted by: Phillip258 | November 5, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope AARP's endorsement of this 2,000 page monstrosity has the same impact as the Washington Post's endorsements in Tuesday's elections.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | November 5, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The AARP DOES NOT represent seniors any more. It has been bought by Obama and his accomplices and has become the enemy of seniors.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"Key Democrats said the endorsement, one of several expected today, could prove critical to pushing their vote count over the top."
********

oh yeah, why dont tell us their names then?

the only democrat qouted is chris van hollen who was surely ready to rubber stamp anything that pelosi & co. came up with, regardless of who endorsed it.

no jim cooper, no tom pereillo, just chris van hollen.

Posted by: dummypants | November 5, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

This is GREAT News!


Posted by: lcarter0311 | November 5, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I will pull my AARP membership and go to NARFE.
these people do not listen or pay attention worth a damn. Just like my congressman who is gone n his next election. he just doesn't know it but there is a group of who will campaign against him for anyone else but him
Dennis Moore adios slinky

Posted by: robertbeaver | November 5, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

AMA also endorsed. Sorry do-nothing GOPers looks like this baby is going to pass.

Posted by: Honest_Abe | November 5, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I would guess that most of the naysayers here are Medicare Advantage people. Let me remind you that we "basic" Medicare recipients and all other taxpayers are paying $11,000 to insurance companies for that "extra" coverage above basic medicare each of you enjoy. Come down off your pedestals and take BASIC medicare like the rest of us and help save this "entitlement". As hoyalawya2 above says..if you don't like socialism, get off Medicare and Social Security. You are all greedy hypocrits who care only for yourselves.

Posted by: formermedrecdscoder | November 5, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

For all you lefties out there advocating that seniors quit using Medicare if they dare to mention they do not support the house bill or if they said they dropped their AARP memberships, get a life.

Most (not all) of these folks and their employers have paid dearly in taxes for both Social Security and Medicare over the past 44 years. You act like it's free money and services from the GOVERNMENT. Whether seniors ike it or not, they paid for Medicare.

No one is paying for this new BS health bill. Wait, I forgot. China is paying for it. Then who will pay China back. Your children and grandchildren will be ruined financially when they become adults. For what? So the Federal Government can be in charge of health care. You are telling me that it takes 1.5 trillion dollars to insure the uninsured. No thanks.


Posted by: MickPack | November 5, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Senior are JUST LIKE POLITICIANS

THEY HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE AND SCREW THE REST.

They think this is UNFAIR to them.. THEY THINK that they are entitled TO THIS because they worked.

Well I wish someone would introduce legislation saying that you are only entitlted SENIOR TO GET WHAT YOU PUT INTO THE SYSTEM AND NOT GET OUT A DIME MORE __

meaning many would be out of benefits in a year - TOPS.

You REAP over 3 times what you put into the system.

I wish all of you ENTITLED SENIORS would quit griping and actually stand for something other than yourselves and what you can get out.

BURN THOSE MEDICARE CARDS if you hate the system-- but of course you won't becuase then you would not be able to BUY insurance like the rest of the country has to.

ELDERLY people are like REBUBLICANS TOO. DIE QUICKLY if you get sick so you don't take away TOO MUCH FOR ME OR MINE.

Posted by: kare1 | November 5, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

AARP is just out to make money off the very people (vulnerable seniors) that they always claimed they existed to protect.

Don't come up with a way so that all of us (and witht Obama's "reform" current uninsured) keep paying into a broken system. Cap malpractice suits, regulate the drug company charges, and make all insurance companies use the same claims form. If you did all that, probably the majority of Americans could then afford health care. But I just touched on three very powerful lobbies (lawyer, drug, and insurance) and that is why we are not seeing meaningful health care reform.

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | November 5, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

ther other thing about this group is the are starting to act like AARPCORN. pay attention or seniors will get rid of you

Posted by: robertbeaver | November 5, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

All this means is that AARP (a corupt organization) is in the back pocket of the dems.

The Ammerican people don't want this bill. It is a freaking disaster.

Vote the boneheads out of office that vote for it!!

America first!!

Posted by: Jaymand | November 5, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Will AARP be filling the gap in senior treatment with Obamacare? I bet AARP will make Billions in supplemental medical insurance for Obamacare. Seniors were happy with Medicare Advantage why destroy the healthcare system of 390 million Americans just to provide care to 15 million illegals? This is Insanity 101.

Posted by: quillerm | November 5, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

theobserver4, so you believe the propaganda of the Commonwealth Fund? You probably believe also "information" from the World Health Organization (WHO). As part of the U.N., a totally corrupt and anti-U.S. organization, WHO can be trusted as much as Fidel Castro! As a matter of fact, WHO takes propaganda from communist dictators like Castro and records it as “statistics.” On the other hand, it takes statistics from the U.S. and twists them for political reasons.

All of those with "statistics" and anecdotes about "wonderful" health care systems in other countries should just MOVE to those countries and stop trying to force socialism/communism down our throats.

For their information, the health care systems of countries they want to imitate have horrendous problems.

Regarding the British system, for example, Daniel Hannan, a Brit who represents South East England at the European parliament, finds incredible that "a free people" like us can voluntarily submit to such a horrendous, expensive and ineffective system like the British health care system. Listen to him: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=204359

Regarding the Canadian system, Canadian Medical Association Dr. Anne Doig says her country's health-care system is "sick" and "imploding." http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

For meaningful statistics rather than politized "statistics" and anecdotes, check out the numbers surrounding medical tourism. Apparently, between 60,000 and 85,000 foreigners traveled to America last year to receive medical care. Why would these people come to America if we have lousy health care? It's because we actually have some of the best hospitals and doctors in the world. http://www.zanebenefits.com/blog/2009/08/146/Misleading+Statistics+about+American+Health+Care

Yes, we do need to solve problems, but Obamacare has NOTHING to do with solving problems. It’s just a CRIMINAL SCAM, like cap and trade, to enslave us.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Bringing AARP into the Health Care mix is like asking a neighborhood gang, notorious for raping and killing, to take charge of neighborhood watch.

I’d like to propose a White House uniform. A pin striped suit, fedora, spats and a trench coat.


Posted by: nancykulka | November 5, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Does it matter that this health care reform bill in its present state is almost 2,000 of inane text that will take teams of lawyers to interpret ("interpret" is the key word)?

What is the motive, here?

Posted by: JAH3 | November 5, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Who knew 80% of the people who read the Washington Post online were (or have recently been) card-carrying AARP members.

I thought the average age of people reading hard copies of the post were seniors, and people

Common trend to 'join' groups for the purpose of saying you are leaving them on a blog post. This includes both so-called lifelong Democrats and Republicans.

Grow a pair and be honest for a change. You're fooling no one.

Posted by: scadolph | November 5, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The so called bums get medicaid, the old get medicare, the working poor will use the emergency room for their health care, and the hospital will charge YOU WITH INSURENCE 10% extra to pay for the working poor OR THE UNINSURED.

It is so nice that you with insurence are willing to fight for the right of insurence companies, to KEEP A CORNER ON THE MARKET, and maintain high profit at your expense, and i do agree that if you fail to tell them you broke a toe, they in turn have the right to drop you when a serious illness shows up, this IS fair after all you are fighting for insurence profits. GOD FORBID A PUBLIC OPTION, TO DRIVE DOWN THE COST OF YOUR HEALTH INSURENCE, AND THEY LOSE THE RIGHT TO DROP YOU WHEN YOU GET REAL SICK.

Thus it would be unfair to Europe, as it could drop the cost of workers health care , and even out the cost of production as Europe has health care, was not that import car you drive a little cheaper, plus better built, as the worker was paid better as his company has no health care to add on to the price.

But do not listen to me, you listen to the republican party, whom is well funded by the insurence companies.

Posted by: dv1236 | November 5, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Of course AARP is for it. AARP sells health insurance. Lots of it. AARP is reported to be the largest seller of supplemental Medicare policies in this country, in addition to selling primary coverage to its members younger than 65.
http://www.aarphealthcare.com/

What we should be reading is why health insurers find the current proposals so much to their liking. So why does this article, and others like it seem to always fail to mention that AARP is in the health insurance business?

Posted by: infuse | November 5, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

All right! AARP! AARP! AARP! I just gave them one million dollars. I also uncanceled all the cancellations made today.

Posted by: johng1 | November 5, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The 20% who don't want reform wouldn't care if Jesus himself knocked on their door and said it'd be good for America. These people are sideshows and aren't worth the time to act inclusive with. They like being on the fringe and they really enjoy yelling. So let'em yell till their throats bleed. They'll now be able to get medical care afterwards courtesy of the rest of us.

Posted by: theobserver4 | November 5, 2009 12:03 PM

Speaking of Jesus of Nazareth. He did some medicine on the side. As far as I recall there weren't any bills He passed out either. I suppose that makes Jesus of Nazareth a socialist.

Posted by: James10 | November 5, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Gee, a health insurance seller siding with the government on a plan to help health insurance sellers get new customers through forced enrollment. Is anyone surprised? All you old baby boomers, don't renew and let them dry up and go away. They no longer represent at least ½ of you and the 5% discount at IHOP isn't worth your soul.

Posted by: dishonest_abe | November 5, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

My brother, sister-in-law, her entire elgible family, and many friends have all cancelled their memberships to AARP because of their greedy, traitorous actions concerning this Government run Health Care plan. They are not interested in their members well being, only about $$$$. My brother joined American Seniors Association and his brother-in-law and wife joined 60-Plus. Check them out and tell AARP to take a hike!

Posted by: inmanorj | November 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

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Good riddance to all of you stupid seniors who don't even understand half of what the health bill is about.

Keep listening to Rush and the rest of the nay sayers who, btw, have health insurance and are RICH!

Do you REALLY think some Repug will come to your rescue when your health insurance company finds a reason to deny you or your loved one medical assistance when it's REALLY expensive and they can find a loophole.

Has anybody EVER cared before and took the time and trouble to help EVERYONE to get health insurance.

The answer is NO! NO ONE has ever took on the big multimillinaire insurance companies before. NO ONE has EVER cared this much about ALL the American people.

You nay-sayers are a bunch of stupid smucks who would rather give your money to the insurance companies who will drop you willy nilly if you become too expensive.

And you smucks care not a wit about the other people in this country who can't afford health insurance and will die because of it.

You people are truly selfish, self serving and care nothing about anyone else but yourselves.

Thank goodness we finallly have a president who cares about everyone. And you people are too stupid to even realize it.

Morons.

Posted by: MUPPET | November 5, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

America - LORD! Anything that the AARP is in $Bed with, then We are definately Against!! The AARP lends it's name, actually the $Ripped-Off members anme- AARP to Rip-Off Companies for a huge $profit!! Especially any kind of INSURANCE!! We can easily find much better, cheaper, better service, higher Quality, etc.,- Insurance of ANY kind, - other than thru AARP!! AARP should be Investigated & SHUT-Down, for Lieing to, and $Stealing from the Elderly U.S. Citizens!! It is absolutely Criminal that the AARP can operate as a so-called Non-$Profit!!?? The Top-Dogs in this Theft Organization live $High-on-the-Hog of of unsuspecting SENIORS!! Their Criminal LOBBYISTS keep CONGRESS from closing them down!!! - What ever they say about the Health Reform Bill may or may not be true, - but You all acn bet for sure that these Coniving Crooks will Benefit the $most over all else!!!!

Posted by: jward52 | November 5, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

bluelagoon21, if you are so desperate to insure those who don't have insurance, YOU do it! What's stopping you?

You have NO right, however, to STEAL from our seniors and from our children and grandchildren to pay for the criminal Obamacare SCAM.

There's nothing noble about the Obamacare scam, which will destroy our heath care, our economy, our freedoms, and our country.

And it's blasphemy to imply that a criminal SCAM like Obamacare has anything to do with Christianity. Obamacare the type of abomination we can expect from Black Liberation Theology, which Obama professes, and which is Marxist, anti-Christian, and anti-American.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

This story was written and put on the front page for one reason only:

create an impression seniors in this country support:

taking half a trillion dollars out of Medicare,

the federal government running private insurance, and

new decisions of what treatment seniors are entitled to.

AARP is a lobbyist organization - nothing more. And obama loves lobbyist organizations if they support his agenda!

Posted by: cibor | November 5, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

As we can see from the comments here, the only Americans who support the the the AARP and the Obamacare SCAM (in all its Orwellian, manipulating versions) are Obama's accomplices and those who have been dumbed down by a substandard and politicized education as per the warnings of Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov.

In 1985, Bezmenov told us that our enemies were working hard at brainwashing us (dumbing us down) and would succeed if we did not defend our principles: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

The dumbed down are obviously unable to understand that Obamacare will further contribute to “the American descent into Marxism,” which “is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple…” http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

Fortunately, as we can see from the comments here, most Americans have NOT been dumbed down! Most Americans are NOT sheeple! Most Americans are ready to defend their FREEDOM and the freedom of their children and grandchildren from the abomination of Obamacare and socialism/Marxism.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Ok so the organization endorses the Health-care bill doesn't mean that the majority of the members of AARP support it.

The RNC can come out and say "we support the bill" we all know the majority of republicans will say no we don't. Not much you can do, Whomever at the top that just so happen to be in bed with Obama are the voice for the organization.

The only voice the members have would be to tear up their AARP cards, and walk away. I hope to see AARPs numbers cut in half over the next few months. That would send out a strong message that seniors are against the bill!!

Posted by: Steve94 | November 5, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

So AARP is crazy because they endorse the bill, now appears AMA endorses the bill too, those crazy socialist doctors, damn them!
And let's not talk about the billions living in foreign crazy countries where they have universal healthcare, damn communists them too! It's a conspiracy! We righwingnuts are right and you are wrong! The world is going down in flames and nobody understands! It's all Marx's fault!

Posted by: biglio | November 5, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm an AARP member and I'm against the bill. I may not be reupping my membership.

Posted by: FLvet | November 5, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

My husband and I WILL not be renewing our AARP membership....enough said.

Posted by: ReneesOpinion | November 5, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The Gov't is going to tell you what's good for you and damn it you're going to like it!

How do you like the "Change" now??????

Slogans from the Annointed one...

Old: "Yes We Can"

New: "YES YOU WILL"

Posted by: TCMaine | November 5, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm an AARP member and I'm against the bill. I may not be reupping my membership.

Posted by: FLvet | November 5, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

My husband and I WILL not be renewing our AARP membership....enough said.

Posted by: ReneesOpinion | November 5, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry folks, I've got you all covered. I am paying for all canellations made today. Thanks to AARP and me, we are about to join the rest of the civilized world!

AARP! (excuse me)

Posted by: johng1 | November 5, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm gone from AARP after 12 years. I hope a lot of other people do the same.

Posted by: burket73 | November 5, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Yea, I'm not only going to cancel my AARP membership, but also my AMA membership as well. Moreover, I'm going to change doctors if they're AMA members as well. That'll learn 'em.

Posted by: ccallure | November 5, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

When Bush was president, only angry liberals posted here. Now, only angry conservatives post here. Do you have to be angry to post?

Posted by: nmoses | November 5, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Yup, grumpy old white men, and grumpy old seniors. Must be a southern white thing. Bunch of old people who watch Fox news and hate Obama and everything he does.

Posted by: kubrickstan | November 5, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

If AARP indeed supports the health care reform, we will join the organization.

Posted by: bn1123 | November 5, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"We have ours. Let them get theirs!" That sums up elegantly exactly what is wrong with America since the Reagan Revolution. Greed and narcissism like this undermine democracy.

To the author of that honest comment: you have yours because I- and every other currently working American- pay for it. You get yours out of my pocket. And I don't mind that because I think it is a good thing to do, just as I think universal health care is a good thing to do. Lucky for you that so many of us are committed to the common good and don't share your attitude- otherwise, you wouldn't have yours.

Posted by: Ilikemyprivacy | November 5, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The 20% who don't want reform wouldn't care if Jesus himself knocked on their door and said it'd be good for America. These people are sideshows and aren't worth the time to act inclusive with. They like being on the fringe and they really enjoy yelling. So let'em yell till their throats bleed. They'll now be able to get medical care afterwards courtesy of the rest of us.
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I'd like to know where you got your "20%" from inasmuch as all the polls show that only 36% APPROVE of this egregious, socialist, takeover of the healthcare industry.

One can only think that you are either ignorant or just a "party flack" who goes with whatever the Dummycrats put before you.

Posted by: marine2211 | November 5, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, an organization that makes money by selling Health Insurance supports legislation that will greatly increase the number of policy holders. And if there's a "mandate" that will mean millions of new customers, most of whom are healthy and won't need the coverage.

I'm shocked!

Posted by: MDLaxer | November 5, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

WARNING: All those who cancel their AARP memberships will be required to appear before a death panel.

Posted by: Honest_Abe | November 5, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If you are on medicare or medicaid, please cancel your benefits or do not use them at all. They are goverment-run health care program. They are bad for you and your freedom. Call Rep Boehner to introduce a bill to cancel this federal program. Representative John Boehner - 8th District Residents - Call Us Toll Free - 1-800-582-1001

Posted by: JohnUsla | November 5, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Tried to call about 6 times today and line stays busy. I got through a couple of months ago to tell them I quit their crappy socialist organization but the mailings continue. Will keep calling until the propaganda stops showing up in my mailbox.

Posted by: hit4cycle | November 5, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I love all these Tea Party folks who, on the one hand, complain about government takeover of health insurance. And then, on the other hand, rip into the Dems for supposedly gutting their Medicare. If Bachmann, Cantor, Boehner at al had any guts, they would propose the total abolition of Medicare. I wonder how that would go over?

Posted by: SethfromCT | November 5, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I would check the bank account of AARP's president in 2 weeks.

Posted by: forgetthis | November 5, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

AARP is just out to make money say alot of these deranged seniors. Gee it sounds like your for socialism. Or were you for it before you were against it? You know, being that Medi-care is a from of socialism. Idiot seniors!!

Posted by: kubrickstan | November 5, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is quitting anything. But I am thinking of joining AARP too. I am also going to buy one of those fancy strings for my reading glasses, so I don't forget/lose them. I think I will buy my first pair of depends today to celebrate.

Posted by: johng1 | November 5, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Thank you AARP for standing up and putting your stamp of approval on a bill for health care. I have two points:

1. The baby boomers-that includes me will be retiring soon and eligible to receive Medicare and our hard earned social security checks. I have been a long time supporter of AARP and appreciate all the hard work and information you provide.

2. Secondly, the health plan will cover those older people who do not have coverage and have to decide whether to pay for their medicine or pay for their insurance. This bill will also cover the students and graduates who age out under their parents health plans. It will also cover the graduates who can not find a jobs. And it will help cover the under and unemployed.

When I hear the Republicans bad mouthing the health care bills it makes me mad as hell. The middle and lower class financially supported 2 wars, the upper class and rich tax relief, the bailout to wall street, the bailout to AIG and the housing industry. Now for some reason the unemployed middle and lower class who have no income and no insurance have to be treated like dirt, when it was their tax dollars that paid for the rich tax breaks is unacceptable. But than I am a LIBERAL IN THE USA AND LOVING IT! POWER TO AARP!

Posted by: sun52shine | November 5, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

MickPack wrote "Most (not all) of these folks and their employers have paid dearly in taxes for both Social Security and Medicare over the past 44 years. You act like it's free money and services from the GOVERNMENT. Whether seniors ike it or not, they paid for Medicare."

Maybe you should find out how Medicare funding works before you post comments like this. Current retirees on Medicare, like my Mom, did not "pay in" to their current Medicare benefits as such- Medicare is not a savings account. They paid for the previous generation's health care. Current retired Medicare recipients now get their health care paid for by me and the other currently employed Americans. Fortunately for them, I think it's a good thing to pay for their health care.

Posted by: Ilikemyprivacy | November 5, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I have been an AARP member, despite the weekly junk mail I receive on insurance, all sorts of other products designed to profit the AARP leadership. But now I am resigning. The article should make clear that the AARP officers are endorsing this bill, not the AARP membership, much the same way union officials do not represent the views of their members.

Posted by: brunnegd | November 5, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad I tore up my AARP membership card. These people are only looking out for themselves & the insurance industry!!

Posted by: CN10 | November 5, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I do with AARP mail is to stuff their prepaid envelopes with someone elses junk and ship it back to them. I have never found one single item that they could save me money on, not one. AAA, your credit cards and your auto insurer can save you some money.

Posted by: jcdooley | November 5, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

This is funny. Months ago, Obama misspoke when he meant to say AARP was in support of health care reform, and he made it sound as if AARP had endorsed a specific plan in Congress. AARP swiftly pushed back and set the record straight. At that time, people were high-fiving and best-friending AARP, crowing that AARP had b-slapped Obama and called him out on a lie.

Today AARP has found a proposal they can endorse, and all the Obama-hating AARP lovers feel jilted.

Posted by: hitpoints | November 5, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

This is terrific news!

Posted by: kflet3 | November 5, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The AMA also is endorsing this bill.

So the doctors and the seniors are in favor.

The teabagging nutjobs, Palinites, and Bachmannites have decided to side with the insurance companies.

What fools these morons be!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 5, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Old people - it is not about, it is about supporting the future of this country, which are the young people. Most of you are probably retired. So this insurance is about supporting your grandchildren and great grands and etc. Most of you will be dead and gone, so you never know what circumtance your children or grandchildren will face. Not only this, but this will allow American companies to compete with international companies for quality applicants. Plus I worked the figures - $1.4 trillion dollars over 10 years equals $140 billion per year. Do the figures and break it down. Many of you mean spirited and selfish old people are not going to be alive. PEACE OUT!

Posted by: sun52shine | November 5, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

From wikiped...

AARP operates as a non-profit advocate for its liberal members and as one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the United States...

Time to take away their tax exempt status which We The People will do in 2010 with a change of regime.

Posted by: Patriot12 | November 5, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Out of all the people who are against the Health care plan. None have said they are going to NOT take medicare and sent back those socialist checks back. Wonder why? Next time there is a protest, we should allow them to sign away their SSI, medicare and that government check. Lets see how far they can go on the $50 Dollars they are given to go protest.

Posted by: navydvldoc | November 5, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I will be 50 years old in about two months, eligible for AARP membership. NO WAY. I am a small business owner, paying my own health insurance, and this plan they've endorsed will more than quadruple what I pay in health insurance. This is helping me? Not only will I never join this organization now, I will remember my disgust for them every time I have to pay the Obama-health-care tax/insurance.

Posted by: pvsmith | November 5, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

AARP is a left wing propaganda organization that sells insurance. Their sole objective is to protect their financial investments. People should drop that tool organization as quickly as possible.

Posted by: rplat | November 5, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Think about others as well as yourself. You might feel comfortable but many aren't. I am looking to older people to offer the big picture - that health care means peace of mind and a higher civilization. How can it be good for our country to have those who have health care and those who do not?

Posted by: joyhogghwh | November 5, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

All Hail The Liberal Culture Of Death.....

The Abortion-Breast Cancer Link: How Politics
Trumped Science and Informed Consent
Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Volume 8 Number 2 Summer 2003...

Imagine all those babies the Liberals killed since 1973. Most of them could have contributed to society to the point where Social Security would not be in the mess that's it's in now and more tax revenue would have been generated.

Of course, there would have been a percentage that would have been on welfare voting Moonbat-Liberal-Communist as well.

Do you honestly think the Death Panels are going to be just for old people to fear?

People with HIV/AIDS should be fearful as well. Do you think they will be excluded?

Posted by: ANTILIB | November 5, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The Texas High Risk pool is better than that proposed by the House and it is cheaper for the government.

It does NOT require someone to go without insurance for 6 months IF you are coming off of a health plan like coming off of COBRA.

Price? 2X standard health care plan cost for the individual. Not cheap.

What could the government do more cheaply? Subsidize a little of this state plan as no additional government employees or insurance companies would then be needed to manage the program.

Posted by: donbl | November 5, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, sun52shine! It's out children and grandchildren who would suffer the most from the criminal Obamacare scam. They will have to PAY for the scam.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What does Social Security, Medicare, and Obama's healthcare plan have in common? All three were vicious attacked by the Republicans as "socialist" "government run programs"....and how many millions upon millions of Americans would give up their Social Security or Medicare? Ten years from now, after millions of Americans have benefited from the new healthcare plan historians will look back at the tea-baggers and others and see only hubris, only hubris.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 5, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

New to Medicare and working, I pay over $550 per month for Medicare ($250) and Advantage premiums ($125), plus payroll deductions ($125).
I'm tired of AARP ignoring the working members, who increasingly are paying means-tested premiums. Three of my four doctors opted out of Medicare - and I will hit the donut hole
AARP needs to support enhancement and efficiencies in Medicare for the benefit of members, not undefined slashing of Medicare

Posted by: southie1 | November 5, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The author starts off with an incorrect premise that the AARP is the nation's largest and most influential association of older Americans.
AARP is an insurance company. Their self interest comes first. Going back to the early Bush administration, AARP supported privatizing Social Security because they could make a fortune. They are doing the same thing again with no regard for older Americans or paying members. What a scam they run. I no longer have a membership to renounce since the Bush fiasco. They lost about 22% of their membership then. Lets hope they lose a 100% this time.

Posted by: Pantheras | November 5, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

AARP is just a lobbying group that Obama gives exception to. He lies again.

Posted by: 45upnorth | November 5, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION REPRESENTS ABOUT 1/3 OF PHYSICIANS AND HALF OF THEM ARE RETIRED. 60,000 QUIT AARP OVER OBAMACARE.
WASHINGTON (AP) — About 60,000 senior citizens have quit AARP since July 1 due to the group's support for a health care overhaul, a spokesman for the organization said Monday.

What motivates these organizations to endorse a bill of 2000 pages that costs trillions of dollars, raises taxes on all Americans, reduces Medicare and Medicare Advantage coverage and forces Americans for the first time in history to buy a product they do not want? Could it that financial benefits to the endorsers can be seen?

Posted by: mharwick | November 5, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

All the stuff from AARP has been going in the trash for years. The AARP endorsement of this monstrosity ensures that it will continue to go in the garbage; unless AARP changes its tune, hopefully AARP will follow shortly.

Posted by: tnvret | November 5, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I kissed off AARP years ago when I became aware of their leftist agenda. Too bad they have scammed millions of elderly citizens.

Posted by: MRGB | November 5, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

This is precisely why I have not and will not join AARP!!!!!!

Posted by: PWC0412 | November 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

AARP is a fraud. it doesn't represent "retired" people, it represents the leftist regimes that currently controls the administrative and legislative branches of this government. Furthermore, it's purpose in life is to sell insurance and control the activities of the elderly. If you are a member, quit, if you're not a member, protest their continued existence.

Posted by: rplat | November 5, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the AARP is worried about the tea baggers. They generally can't afford screens for their trailer windows, let alone AARP dues.

Posted by: DROSE1 | November 5, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I went out with AARP when she was at Wesleyan University back in the 1930's. She's not much to look at these days, but she comes through in a big way from time to time, like today. I love you AARP!

Posted by: johng1 | November 5, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The accusations of a Marxist lobbying group and control over seniors from these commentors are funnier than the Onion. You all are beyond delusional to the point of hilarity.

You're probably also the same clowns who were screaming that AARP didn't endorse the plans in their rough draft versions over the summer.

Go take a nap you crazy old coots.

Posted by: theobserver4 | November 5, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

OK, seniors. If you are really opposed to socialist, government-run healthcare, put your money where your mouth is. No one cares about your AARP membership. QUIT MEDICARE. Then we will believe you are serious.

Until then, you are basking in the benefits of government healthcare while telling everybody else to suffer.

Posted by: LynnDeanne | November 5, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

KILL THE BILL, KILL THE AARP! We must DEMAND that the AARP not be allowed to continue operating as a non-profit. The AARP is a SCAM to steal from the elderly; Obamacare is a SCAM to steal from everyone.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I will never join AARP. It is a mistake to think they represent seniors as a block. I saw seniors out in the street today protesting HR 3962.

Collectively, the Democrats in the House and AARP are exhibiting one of the worst cases of mass delusion in DC that I can remember in my lifetime.

I loved the piece in today's WSJ comparing Speaker Pelosi with Major Nicholson in Bridge on the River Kwai. It is sad that the bridge that will come crashing down is the economy of the United States, and that Congress will be wrecking our health care, and that our grandchildren will live in a bankrupt country and work for Chinese companies.

Posted by: jazbond007 | November 5, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

From wikiped...

AARP operates as a non-profit advocate for its liberal members and as one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the United States...

Time to take away their tax exempt status which We The People will do in 2010 with a change of regime.

Posted by: Patriot12

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Don't quote Wikipedia and expect anyone to do anything but laugh. Since the news broke people have probably been editing the content for AARP all day.Trust me; there's contests out there to see how long bogus info can be put on pages.

There were a few days this past year that Reagan was the Antichrist according to Wiki. Would you source that?

Posted by: theobserver4 | November 5, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse


AARP has lost their minds. Or been bought. Or blackmailed. Or all three.

Posted by: playfair109 | November 5, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone be against reforming our health care system? Premium rates are through the roof. This year my rates are going up 10 percent, with a lousy economy and NO inflation!!! We need a strong public option to stop these bloodsucking insurance companies. I will keep my membership in AARP and I am glad they are being sensible.

Posted by: Sharon1949 | November 5, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, mharwick, Obama and his accomplices have reached some backroom agreement with the AARP at our expense. Those are the "Chicago ways" of Obama and his gang of Marxists.

Why are Obama and his accomplices not demonizing Big Pharma? Because Obama and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly reached an agreement through which Big Pharma will get richer at our expense by helping Obama enslave us with Obamacare.

"The memo... says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government’s leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada — and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

In other words, Big Pharma will get richer for helping Obama enslave us with Obamacare. http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/08/14/obama-pharma-make-secret-deal/

We may have issues with insurance companies, hospitals and doctors, but that does not mean we want the Obamacare scam. We do NOT WANT SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM!

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Sharon1949, you continue parroting Obama's ridiculous myth about the "greedy" insurance companies! Don’t you know that myth has been completely debunked?!

From the Associate Press, “FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat

“WASHINGTON — Quick quiz: What do these enterprises have in common? Farm and construction machinery, Tupperware, the railroads, Hershey sweets, Yum food brands and Yahoo? Answer: They're all more profitable than the health insurance industry.

“In the health care debate, Democrats and their allies have gone after insurance companies as rapacious profiteers making "immoral" and "obscene" returns while "the bodies pile up."

“Ledgers tell a different reality. Health insurance profit margins typically run about 6 percent, give or take a point or two. That's anemic compared with other forms of insurance and a broad array of industries, even some beleaguered ones.

“Profits barely exceeded 2 percent of revenues in the latest annual measure. This partly explains why the credit ratings of some of the largest insurers were downgraded to negative from stable heading into this year, as investors were warned of a stagnant if not shrinking market for private plans.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iorq8FSpX_4LX_UG_xHQIjJY3SvgD9BI5VB00

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"OK, seniors. If you are really opposed to socialist, government-run healthcare, put your money where your mouth is. No one cares about your AARP membership. QUIT MEDICARE. Then we will believe you are serious.

Until then, you are basking in the benefits of government healthcare while telling everybody else to suffer."

I agree completely. Anyone who is on Medicare and is participating in these protests is a major hypocrite.

Posted by: Sharon1949 | November 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

How for God sake you like to call your self a Christian and care just about you and not for people lacking health insurance? You and the right wingers should call properly Antichrists.

Posted by: bluelagoon21 | November 5, 2009 12:42 PM

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Conservatives really think "The Lord helps those that help themselves." is in the Bible.

Posted by: James10 | November 5, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

This Pelosi health care bill also provides for government-funded abortions. If they can legally kill the unborn, then they can legally kill the elderly. Did not know AARP was pro-choice.

Posted by: MRGB | November 5, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the following countries KNOW they are socialist

UK
Canada
Australia
France
Germany
Japan
Sweden
Belgium
Argentina
Brazil
Taiwan
Switzerland.


UHMMMM I guess DEMOCRACY and UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE CAN CO-EXIST.

But not in the minds of STUPIDO AMERICANOS
(Unless you are receiving those HORRID socialist benefits MEDICARE)

Posted by: kare1 | November 5, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

FYI... AARP phone lines were jammed today, so I had to go to thier website and use the Contact Us tab on the site to Send Comments in order to cancel my (and my wife's) membership.
I hope their having a lot fewer members in no time at all will either reduce their clout until they come to their senses, give them time to simply make better decisions, or both.

Posted by: dbsinOakRidge | November 5, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the following countries KNOW they are socialist

UK
Canada
Australia
France
Germany
Japan
Sweden
Belgium
Argentina
Brazil
Taiwan
Switzerland.


UHMMMM I guess DEMOCRACY and UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE CAN CO-EXIST.

But not in the minds of STUPIDO AMERICANOS
(Unless you are receiving those HORRID socialist benefits MEDICARE)

Posted by: kare1 | November 5, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I happened to hear the CEO of the AARP on the radio a few minutes ago discussing health care reform. I cannot imagine a less convincing endorsement of a bill: the poor guy could barely get the words out.

It's hard to imagine any good reason for the AARP to take this step.

Posted by: junomoneta88 | November 5, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The Swiss example shows that universal coverage is possible, even in a highly capitalist nation with powerful insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Insurance companies are not allowed to make a profit on basic care and are prohibited from cherry-picking only young and healthy applicants. They can make money on supplemental insurance, however. As in Germany, the insurers negotiate with providers to set standard prices for services, but drug prices are set by the government.

What are the concerns? The Swiss system is the second most expensive in the world -- but it's still far cheaper than U.S. health care. Drug prices are still slightly higher than in other European nations, and even then the discounts may be subsidized by the more expensive U.S. market, where some Swiss drug companies make one-third of their profits. In general, the Swiss do not have gatekeeper doctors, although some insurance plans require them or give a discount to consumers who use them.

OH THAT POOR SOCIALISTIC COUNTRY SWITZERLAND. POOR POOR SWISS. HOW WILL THEY EVER SURVIVE being such a poor poor socialist country.

STUPIDO AMERICANOS

Posted by: kare1 | November 5, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Percentage of GDP spent on health care: 8

Average family premium: $280 per month, with employers paying more than half.

Co-payments: 30 percent of the cost of a procedure, but the total amount paid in a month is capped according to income.

What is it? Japan uses a "social insurance" system in which all citizens are required to have health insurance, either through their work or purchased from a nonprofit, community-based plan. Those who can't afford the premiums receive public assistance. Most health insurance is private; doctors and almost all hospitals are in the private sector.

How does it work? Japan boasts some of the best health statistics in the world, no doubt due in part to the Japanese diet and lifestyle. Unlike the U.K., there are no gatekeepers; the Japanese can go to any specialist when and as often as they like. Every two years the Ministry of Health negotiates with physicians to set the price for every procedure. This helps keeps costs down.

What are the concerns? In fact, Japan has been so successful at keeping costs down that Japan now spends too little on health care; half of the hospitals in Japan are operating in the red. Having no gatekeepers means there's no check on how often the Japanese use health care, and patients may lack a medical home.

WE all know the JAPANESE are totally socialistic and ARE CRUEL CRUEL PEOPLE. THEY are all for DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.

Posted by: kare1 | November 5, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Percentage of GDP spent on health care: 10.7

Average family premium: $750 per month; premiums are pegged to patients' income.

Co-payments: 10 euros ($15) every three months; some patients, like pregnant women, are exempt.

What is it? Germany, like Japan, uses a social insurance model. In fact, Germany is the birthplace of social insurance, which dates back to Chancellor Otto von Bismarck. But unlike the Japanese, who get insurance from work or are assigned to a community fund, Germans are free to buy their insurance from one of more than 200 private, nonprofit "sickness funds." As in Japan, the poor receive public assistance to pay their premiums.

How does it work? Sickness funds are nonprofit and cannot deny coverage based on preexisting conditions; they compete with each other for members, and fund managers are paid based on the size of their enrollments. Like Japan, Germany is a single-payment system, but instead of the government negotiating the prices, the sickness funds bargain with doctors as a group. Germans can go straight to a specialist without first seeing a gatekeeper doctor, but they may pay a higher co-pay if they do.

What are the concerns? The single-payment system leaves some German doctors feeling underpaid. A family doctor in Germany makes about two-thirds as much as he or she would in America. (Then again, German doctors pay much less for malpractice insurance, and many attend medical school for free.) Germany also lets the richest 10 percent opt out of the sickness funds in favor of U.S.-style for-profit insurance. These patients are generally seen more quickly by doctors, because the for-profit insurers pay doctors more than the sickness funds

We all know the GERMANS never made it back after that FALL OF THE BERLIN WALL, and that with that fall they became the LARGEST SOCIALIST NATION ON EARTH.

Posted by: kare1 | November 5, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Funny. Today, I got a solicitation from the AARP to become a member. I wrote on their letterhead a message that basically told them they could take a hike. Then stuck it back in their pre-paid envelope and dropped it in the mail box. It was a great way to vent.

Posted by: 45upnorth | November 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

AARP leadership has always been way left, no big deal.

Posted by: ekim53 | November 5, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Just saying that Doctors and seniors are behind the health bill just makes the, intelligent folks, laugh about the distortion from politicians and news media? The AMA doesn't speak for the doctors and the AARP doesn't for the seniors. They are neither legitimate organizations to its members.

Posted by: justamaz | November 5, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

someone please provide the name, address and phone number of the person at aarp who has allegedly read the bill plus the managers amendments.

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | November 5, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

☠☠AARP☠☠ ... Looks like they jumped in bed
with the Death Culture after all ...
...WHODA THUNK IT ?

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 5, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

AARP does not speak for me. As a senior, I am appalled at the assumptions by AARP and politicians that an endorsement of this type represents all seniors. I have sent in my resignation to AARP and they do not speak for me.

Posted by: sobell52 | November 5, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

kare1, you and all those with anecdotes about "wonderful" health care systems in other countries should just MOVE to those countries and stop trying to force socialism/communism down our throats.

For your information, the health care systems of the Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland are NOT government-run. Government is more involved than in the U.S., however, which MULTIPLIES costs.

Regarding Great Britain, Daniel Hannan, a Brit who represents South East England at the European parliament, finds incredible that "a free people" like us can voluntarily submit to such a horrendous, expensive and ineffective system like the British health care system. Listen to him: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=204359

Regarding Canada, Canadian Medical Association Dr. Anne Doig says her country's health-care system is "sick" and "imploding." http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

For meaningful statistics rather than anecdotes, check out the numbers surrounding medical tourism. Apparently, between 60,000 and 85,000 foreigners traveled to America last year to receive medical care. Why would these people come to America if we have lousy health care? It's because we actually have some of the best hospitals and doctors in the world. http://www.zanebenefits.com/blog/2009/08/146/Misleading+Statistics+about+American+Health+Care

Yes, we do need to solve problems, but Obamacare has NOTHING to do with solving problems. It’s just a CRIMINAL SCAM, like cap and trade, to enslave us.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey kare1,
Looking at your posts, you appear to be a very superficial researcher. If you dig deeper, you will find things are not as you seem to believe in the countries you list.

For instance, people work very hard in Japan and immigration to Japan would be extremely difficult. This is quite a contrast to this country. They have a much 'tighter' culture, as well. That is what gives them the possibilty of wider benefits.

Note, too, that medical equipment and drug breakthroughs occur with much greater frequency in this country than in the rest of the world combined.

You need to research things more. Your posts give the reader the impression that you are just a knee jerk reactor. What thoughtful person could accept such an opinion?

Posted by: primegrop | November 5, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

You are right, primegrop, people like kare1 demonstrate that Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov was right when he warned us that our enemies were working hard at brainwashing us (dumbing us down) and would succeed if we did not defend our principles: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

The dumbed down are obviously unable to understand that the "public option" (which is neither public nor an option) will further contribute to “the American descent into Marxism,” which “is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple…” http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

Fortunately, most Americans are not sheeple and prefer to be FREE.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Hundreds of wack jobs storm Congress over the new healthcare bill. Too bad about living in a Democracy where 65 % of Americans want healthcare reform, and the remaining tea-bag minority wants to stop it. Too bad tea-bggers, we call this Democracy.....Obama and the Democrats won the White House and Congress and we get what we want in legislation!!! Just like Bush and the Republicans got from 2000-2006 when they controlled government. Tea baggers.......you lost the election, go home, I'm sure your social security check and Medicare statements are waiting for there. You know those other "socialist" government run programs.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 5, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

To the confused seniors, if it were not because of the government involvement, you would not have the medicare coverage you have today.

Posted by: lhao333 | November 5, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I am saying my personal premiums are increasing by 10% this year with no additonal coverage and a lousy economy. Also according to Market Watch Cigna's quarterly net income rises 92% as of today's report. I don't think the insurance companies are hurting. Of course I think healthcare, especially hospitals, should be non-profit endeavors.

Posted by: Sharon1949 | November 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely previous blogger...and they should also remember that the Republicans in the 1960's fought tooth and nail against Medicare, as they did in the 1930's against Social Security.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

logcabin1836, where you are getting your figures?! As per current polls, only around 42% support the bill and 50% OPPOSE it. http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, like they even know what's in it.

Health care 'reform' is an ideological monstrosity cooked up by Democrats and Leftists in further need of a dependent class of citizens.

And I know we'll all eventually enjoy paying a Euro-style value-added tax (VAT) of between 15%-20% on everything we buy once the Medicare 'savings' that The Messiah says will pay for it actually don't exist.

Barack Hussein Obama.

The Democrats.

Mmmm. Mmmm. Mmmm.

Posted by: egdusa | November 5, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea for the tea-baggers who are protesting in Washington today, many of them obviously elderly. Just as the Vietnam war protesters burned their draft cards, I would like to see these tea-baggers burn their Medicare cards! Yes. Burn them in protest, after all Medicare is one of those "socialist" government run programs.....is it not?

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 5, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

You are right, sobell52, the AARP does not represent Seniors. It has been bought by Obama and his accomplices to help Obama at the expense of the American people in general and seniors in particular.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

AARP, the AMA and most Americans are in favor of Health Care Reform with a Public Option. Can't wait to see how FauxNews tries to spin this one into more lies and deceit. It's time America caught up with the rest of the civilized countries and got out from under the failed policies of the Republicans.

Posted by: rurik | November 5, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Some of these so called seniors ought to be ashamed of themselves. Cancel your AARP? why not cancel the healthcare coverage you have all together if you dont want government involvement? That is a government run program.
They say when you get older, you get wiser. Well, many apparently get stupid instead.

Posted by: lhao333 | November 5, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Here,here to the below comment. My sentiments precisely. Seniors, you're just lucky that Lyndon Johnson had the altruism and political skill to jam Medicare down the throats of Congress in the Sixties. That was a huge political anomaly for the US, and you have been profiting from it ever since. If that isn't Socialism, what is? So, it just looks like its "I'm alright, Jack' and 'screw the rest of you', when you oppose extension of benefits to the rest of the population. What a selfish bunch of b/tards!!!
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OK, seniors. If you are really opposed to socialist, government-run healthcare, put your money where your mouth is. No one cares about your AARP membership. QUIT MEDICARE. Then we will believe you are serious.

Until then, you are basking in the benefits of government healthcare while telling everybody else to suffer.

Posted by: lafayette89 | November 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I think it's really sad that so many seniors are now becoming suspicious of AARP, the one group that's always been their advocate. How is it that these people trust Fox and Limbaugh over AARP, the group that actually has their best interest at heart. I just don't get it.

Posted by: ggwalt | November 5, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Starting very soon, retiring middle class Baby Boomers are going to need
affordable health care but no one in the USA, especially retiring baby
boomers, will be able to afford Pelosi's care deform POS bill especially
when you add all the other taxes from all the other bills she and the
Dems are passing like Pee at a beer fest.

As for AARP, they just lost millions of potential new members.

Posted by: Patriot12 | November 5, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

KILL the bill before the bill KILLS us.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Dump the bill now and then dump the As$ hole democrats at the ballot box.

Posted by: LarryG62 | November 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

logcabin1836, where you are getting your figures?! As per current polls, only around 42% support the bill and 50% OPPOSE it. http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php
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I have noticed that no matter if the polls continue to show that the MAJORITY of people are AGAINST this Health care legislation, the democrats are totally blind to what the american people are telling them. The liberal media continues to demonize anyone protesting, which is our right, thinking that continuing dismissal of the mood of the majority of americans, will turn things around. They are in for a major surprise, come 2010,2012.

And Obama is destined to be a ONE TERM PRESIDENT!!!

The AMA and AARP are stuck with the backdoor deals they made with Obama and they will pay a heavy price: they failed to serve their customers and they are both doomed to fail!!!

Thanks to Michelle Bachmann for her leadership and grits!! And out goes Nancy Pelosi!!! You bet!!!

Posted by: Hispana | November 5, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I am just disgusted with this bill. Of course the AARP is aboard. We are going to be forced to by their crap. The public option is a fake. Private companies like AARP will get to run it. What pile of crap.

I want to be allowed to buy into medicare, period!!!! I don't want to be forced to by jack from the insurance company! I hate the corporate democrats for completely screwing this up and that includes you too, Obama!

Posted by: sandnsmith | November 5, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

You are right, LarryG62. We must vote Obama and his gang of Marxists out. We must kill ACORN, to prevent the FRAUD that helped Obama win. And we must do our best to close fraudulent organizations lie the AARP, which help Obama lie, manipulate, intimidate, and coerce people into swallowing SCAMS like Obamacare and cap and trade.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

rurik, you do deserve socialized medicine like that of "civilized" countries like Cuba or Venezuela!

All those who want socialized medicine and a socialist/communist country should move to Cuba or Venezuela. We would be happy to pay one-way tickets for all of them and would ask them to take their comrades Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc. with them. They have no right to transform the U.S. into another failed socialist country like Cuba or Venezuela just because they happen to be dumbed down, as they are called in Pravda.http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

OOOHHHH wee! I can just see AARP'smembership drop and deservedly so. Yee-haw...! Those that think Seniors are selfish because they don't want government intrusion... well they are selfish. Why do you think they have as much as they do???? Duh... maybe it is because SENIORS sacrificed so YOU could have. I THINK YOU!!!! are selfish! The nerve!

Posted by: joaquinrose | November 5, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Tea bag seniors protest....we don't want government run heathcare!!!!....oh I do want to keep our government run Medicare....and we do want to keep our government run Social Security....but otherwise.....

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 5, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I cancelled my membership back when they endorsed Part D. Best thing I did.

Posted by: sandynh
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It was passed by the GOP majority and signed by GWB.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 5, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Ten years from now when every American receives his own healthcare plan all these da*n fools protesting today in Washington will be seen as just that...fools.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 5, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey if you're really serious about your opposition to government run healthcare...cancel your Medicare too!
I'd like to see that happen hypocrites.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 5, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse


So, how much did AARP get for selling their souls to Obama, Reid, Pelosi, & Soros?

The organization that is supposed to stand up for seniors just threw them under the bus. Obama himself said that elders should be given a pain pill and sent home to die.

It seems AARP agrees.

Posted by: FredChatard | November 5, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Folks need to take note of this. AARP has become a liberal political organization. A corrupt one at that. It is mainly fundraising organizations whose function is mainly to enrich top brass within the AARP.

Posted by: Jaymand | November 5, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I know nothing about this health care bill or any other that people are yelling for and against...all I know is I am willing to try something new and if I dont like it will vote for whoever is willing to revoke it next time around.

Posted by: reddy531 | November 5, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The AARP is an insurance company and a subsidiary of the Democrat Party masquerading as a senior citizen advocacy group. They are cherry picking healthy customers just like the worst of the other insurance companies. Healthy customers means they don't have top pay on policies and just collect the premiums from the policy holders. There is an ACORN type scandal waiting at the AARP.

Posted by: JoeDBrown | November 5, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The health care bill does nothing to lower cost of healthcare. It just shifts payment of healthcare to the government and expands the government. I laugh at the people on this site that get angry at others for listening to Propaganda. Yet in the same sentences say that everyone oppose to healthcare are people that don't want change, are pro insurance company, Rush and Fox listeners and are uneducated. Isn't that just the otherside propaganda? I am against this bill, I am very educated, I am not a republican, I mostly watch Cnn news. If I was a Fox news viewer wouldn't I be on there site instead of washington post? I am a American who doesn't want government expanding into unnecessary area's. Having been unable to afford health care at one time I understand why this is appealing to some people. Having been born and raised in Canada I understand the negative affects of government run healthcare. Usually is goes good at first but as cost lags on government it starts to get worse and taxes on everyone go up on and programs are cut back. Canada's health care is getting worse everyday. Why? because dispite who pays for it healthcare is getting more and more expensive and everything comes down to money. The truth is these bills do nothing to cut cost they just add to healtcare cost and America's debt. The real problem is that america wants one's cake and to eat it too

Posted by: Jenn38 | November 5, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The positions by the AARP do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the majority of older or retired persons in this country. Many adults between fifty and sixty-four or any age who have to buy health insurance with inadequate or no subsidies are going to have major financial burdens, with premiums, out of pocket costs being in the thousands of dollars.

Obama and most Democrats want to reduce Medicare spending buy a few hundred billion dollars over ten years. Anyone who pretends this will not lead to higher health care costs for older people defies common sense.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | November 5, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

This endorsement was a fraud and every senior should know that these decisions were made for us by AARP executives under 60 years old. 80% of seniors did NOT endorse the current health bill. Obama lied again as did Pelosi and Reid.

Posted by: vangup | November 5, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

When AARP endorsed Bush's Part D back 2003, the House Democrats wrote them a letter and told them AARP stands for "Another Arm of the Republican Party".

Do your homework before claiming they're in bed with Obama, you fools.

Posted by: mikebythesun | November 5, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

So the AMA and AARP endorses the Dem Plan, the CBO concludes the Republican plan does little to help most people and will actually cause some people's costs to go up.
So to summerize, Democrats plan is with the backing of people who all get a piece in the plan and Republican's actually in many cases is worse for people.
We need a single payer system that keeps competition in the cure area and the improvements in medical equipment with a focus on prevention. The rest is a dog and pony show to make Wall Street and special interests happy while doing little for people.

Posted by: dwdave67 | November 5, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Another Acorn Acorn Reed Pelosi pathway. It's now easy for retired citizens to join Acorn. Just sign up with AARP and Obama will give them millions of your grandkids money. If your a member of AARP and renew your membership, your one SSOB.

Posted by: area51az | November 5, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Another Acorn Acorn Reed Pelosi pathway. It's now easy for retired citizens to join Acorn. Just sign up with AARP and Obama will give them millions of your grandkids money. If your a member of AARP and renew your membership, your one SSOB.

Posted by: area51az | November 5, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Seniors - Since the AARP was a major contributor to the Obama campaign, you need to cancel your AARP memberships immediately especially if you though this group represented "seniors".

Posted by: Templeton62 | November 5, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Cutting Medicare "strengthens it". WTF?

Bye bye AARP.

Posted by: oracle2world | November 5, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The same people against HC reform are the same people that complain mightily about their insurance costs and what they get for their dollar when this issue isn't up for a vote.
People on medicare or medicad protesting against reform need to sit down and shut up. Your hypocracy is astounding. For all you others, I suggest you get you or a member of your family sick in this employer based HC system that is really a monoply. You will then change your tune very quickly.
France 8% of their GNP, US 16% of their GNP and they have a better system. Nobody in France goes broke from being sick. I guess you people protesting like waste and the money going to a middle man.

Posted by: dwdave67 | November 5, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"Nobody in France goes broke from being sick."
No, they just wait for medical treatment and DIE!!!

Posted by: KingJL | November 5, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The aarp continues to stab the seniors in the back by endorsing the liberal's socialized health care bill.
It's one of the many reasons that I never joined aarp, and will encourage members to drop the back-stabbers.
Obama continues his lies and deceit and the majority of people in America do not want this flawed socialist health care bill that they are trying to shove down our throats.
We will seek our revenge in the voting booth.
The distrust of the present administration and their thug cronies has already cost the democrats in last Tuesday's elections.

We seniors look forward to 2010 elections so we can toss more of the socialists out of office.
We liked the outcome in Virginia and New Jersey.
Let's Roll!

Posted by: spiris333 | November 5, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

So,as a disabled senior citizen myself,that
only shows that AARP no longer cares about it's own members and is nothing more then a
damn stinking get rich quick insurance scam
artist operation. And that is why I never did and never will waste my money on AARP.

So,just stop and consider how much of the
AARP Members dues and money is going to damn endless costly tv advertising by AARP?
And,how much does that leave for AARP to
help Senior Citizens? Still want to join
AARP Seniors? Boycott AARP out of business.
The sell out AARP Top Brass belong behind
jail bars not lobbying to get rich themselves. AARP Is ACORN for Senior Citizens and must be a part of the Chicago
Thug Barack Hussein Obama Crime Family!

Posted by: loneeagle1938 | November 5, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

AARP is nothing but an insurance agency. They do not seek active input from their constituency. Thus, if they are behind this legislation, you can bet there is no "reform". It is far more likely that there is a little nest feathering going on. Likewise, the "protestors" are likely planted clowns. As if.

Posted by: sandy00w | November 5, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

AARP got really burned by the Republican written Medicare Part D. AARP is on the right side on this issue. You can bet that after their endorsement of Part D, they have thoroughly researched and evaluated their stance on the health-care reform bill. It is also time to stop trying to scare people, but try to enlighten them.

I overheard a windbag in an art store this afternoon with his scare tactics about health-care reform. The old argument that poor people in this country can make it if they only applied themselves is lame at best. I am sick hearing people who have had all the benefits and none of the pain taking aim at the poor people to justify their arrogance.

Posted by: EarlC | November 5, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

AARP and the outdated AMA with no members will soon become new Government Departments and their Presidents radical Czars.

If you have a Doctor who is a member of AMA - there's only about 500 left nationwide, boycott them.

Then, quit AARP if you belong, don't join if you don't belong, and call your Congressman to pull their tax exmept status.

Posted by: Patriot12 | November 5, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

President Obama said Thursday he is "extraordinarily pleased and grateful" for Jesus Christ endorsements of the health care reform legislation moving through the House of Representatives that promises to cover "the least of these".

Nutty Republicans:

This could mark the beginning of the end for Christianity. Let's hope so.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | November 5, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"Then, quit AARP if you belong, don't join if you don't belong, and call your Congressman to pull their tax exmept status."

And switch ALL your insurance that you have with AARP/Hartford. You will also experience a rewarding financial surprise when you do this. It is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper! I personally switched my AARP/Hartford Auto, RV, and Hmeowners and realized $560 lower premiums with slightly higher coverages.
Now, where do you think the 20-23% higher premiums that you are paying for AARP insurance products are going?

Posted by: KingJL | November 5, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

AARP CEO, Barry Rand, was a major Obama donor, has gotten cozy with the administration, and along with the rest of the top brass at the Washington headquarters, has decided to support liberal policies. Now the group is actively working alongside the administration to sell these policies that their members are rejecting -- using their members money to do so. In a typically liberal and patronizing kind of way, they think they know what's best for their members, and they're trying to tell them what to think.

The AARP has sold out its members.

Posted by: runmon | November 5, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

you will never see real reform in your life time.

Posted by: adamrovich | November 5, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Myself and several friends have torn up our AARP cards and mailed them back voicing our displeaure with AARP about their Political/Financial involvement with the pending Legislation!!!
I recomment that all other AARP members do the same. Hit them where it hurts Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer/Voter/Citizens, in their pocketbook!!!

The only remaining question is how much pork, waste, payolla, earmarks will Pelosi have to add to the bill in order to buy the votes needed for passage !!! BTW: Botox, Stretched, Denial faced San Fran Granny Nan is STILL a LIAR !!! She just thought WE forgot !!! Pelosi/Reid/POTUS MaoBama keep rollling this manure in powdered sugar while trying to convince US that it's a jelly donut to be washed down with a big glass of the KoolAid !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | November 5, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi Breaks Pledge to Put Final Health Care Bill Online for 72 Hours Before Vote
Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the speaker will not allow the final language of the health care to be posted online for 72 hours before bringing the bill to a vote on the House floor, despite her September 24 statement that she was "absolutely" committed to doing so.

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Another democrat lie. Imagine that.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | November 5, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

This Pelosi bill is the greatest single threat to our freedom as American citizens that we have seen in generations.

It is one of the nation's largest tax increases in history, an all-out assault on both small and large business, a job-killer of gargantuan proportions, and the single biggest government takeover of a sector of our economy.

No freedom-loving American can support this bill. It is pure socialism.

It will cost well over $2 trillion, say experts, and most of the money is raised from new taxes! More debt! More deficits!

How can they do this, when the nation is already teetering on the verge of bankuptcy?

All hands on deck: call your congressman, fax, e-mail, you name it.

Posted by: fairnessplease | November 5, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I hope that the majority of comments do not represent the majority psyche of the American public. The amoral travesty of the current unchristian, unethical and unreasonable health care plan where 25% of what all citizens pay for health care lines the pocket of capitalists even before reasonable profits are made by the providers must end. The cost of baseball games is out of reach of most Americans, but those are choices-health care is a necessity and a civilized society would make it an individual right. Thank you AARP for taking the moral high road

Posted by: ranningson | November 5, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

ranningson, there's nothing "Christian" about STEALING from our children and grandchildren to pay for a criminal SCAM like Obamacare, which will destroy our health care, our economy, our freedom and our country.

If you want to cover for the medical needs of others, please AHEAD AND DO IT! Is someone stopping you?

You have no right, however, to STEAL from others to pay for a SCAM just because you believe it's "noble."

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

You are right, charlietuna666. Obamacare, like the scams of the Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America, is so "urgent," we must just believe any lie just because "our great leaders" say so.

A few things that are not hidden:

Here's a sample:

Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government.

Page 110—Section 222(e) requires the use of federal dollars to fund abortions through the government-run health plan—and, if the Hyde Amendment were ever not renewed, would require the plan to fund elective abortions.

Page 225—Section 330 permits—but does not require—Members of Congress to enroll in government-run health care.

Page 297—Section 501 imposes a 2.5 percent tax on all individuals who do not purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health insurance—the tax would apply on individuals with incomes under $250,000, thus breaking a central promise of then-Senator Obama’s presidential campaign.

Page 1174—Section 1802(b) includes provisions entitled “TAXES ON CERTAIN INSURANCE POLICIES” to fund comparative effectiveness research, breaking Speaker Pelosi’s promise that “We will not be taxing [health] benefits in any bill that passes the House,” and the President’s promise not to raise taxes on families with incomes under $250,000.

Page 313—Section 512 imposes an 8 percent “tax on jobs” for firms that cannot afford to purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health coverage.

But what is even more scary is what may be hidden in the Owellian language of the 2000-page abomination of a bill.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Today in America:

1. Congressman John Boehner R of OH admits in public he does not know the difference between the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Yikes.

2. Bailed out Goldman Sachs steals 200 doses of H1N1 vaccine from school children. Yikes Yikes.

3. Mass shooting in Texas. Yikes Yikes & Yikes.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 5, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

All these fools blogging tonight saying they're going to tear up their AARP cards.
Hey, here's another thought....why don't you tear up your Medicare card too! It is after all a government run program! Hypocrites>

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 5, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"why don't you tear up your Medicare card too! It is after all a government run program!..."

Yes it is. Broke, unsustainable costs, the funding mechanism (the SS trust fund) has been continuously raided for years, miss-managed, and subject to pervasive fraud and abuse! Yes, we absolutely need some more of that!

Posted by: KingJL | November 5, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

logcabin1836 sez- All these fools blogging tonight saying they're going to tear up their AARP cards.
Hey, here's another thought....why don't you tear up your Medicare card too! It is after all a government run program! Hypocrites>
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I have paid "Medicare" taxes, which have supported those on Medicaid. I have "paid" into a system which has guaranteed a return.

AARP has outlived it's usefulness. I am sure that there are other organizations that are looking out for the seniors and soon-to-be seniors, like myself.

I am also sure that they are advertising on the Fox News Website.

The bottom-line is, there was a time when AARP represented seniors and not their own pocketbooks or sucked-up to any politician.

My, have times changed.


Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | November 5, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

For those who want Medicare and Social Security recipients to tear up their cards, may I ask what you think these folks should get back for the money that was deducted from their paychecks for all of their working lives in order to qualify for those programs?
It is not foolish to resist a bill that will establish 111 new Federal bureaucracies. It is not foolish to question costs in a bill which will levy, by the most conservative estimate, a $1.4 Trillion debt on our children and grandchildren. It is not foolish to challenge AARP, which is cynically exploiting the elderly, and which makes insurance brokerage a $1 Billion annual business. WHO do you really think AARP is working for?

Posted by: Toosoonoldtoolatesmart | November 5, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Republicans who are set against the bill don't care what's actually in it, don't care about the facts at all, just are against it because they want to defeat President Obama. AARP is not the only group to support reform - there is a long and growing list of responsible organizations that recognize the need for reform, not hate.
http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/reports?id=0263

Posted by: ahumbleopinion | November 5, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

What's new, the leadership of the AARP was always left wing kooks...

Posted by: ekim53 | November 5, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"AARP has lost their minds." Nothing compared to the roar of insanity from the right wing today...

Posted by: Ilikemyprivacy | November 5, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I joined AARP today, you don't have to be over 50 you know.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 5, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The AARP does not speak for me. I think they would have been best to try to educate their membership rather than to take a political stand on this issue.

Posted by: sdl63 | November 5, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Thank You AARP, AMA, and American Cancer Society. All of you endorsing this bill, with all your health care experience and expertise, has greatly increased my condidence that we are finally on the right track to fixing this train wreck of a health care system we have.

Posted by: lagoonview | November 5, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"I joined AARP today, you don't have to be over 50 you know."

Kinda proves the point ya know! AARP is no longer an organization that represents the issues or needs of seniors. It is just an insurance company that exploits the needs and fears of seniors!!

Posted by: KingJL | November 5, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

This group also entusiastically endorsed Bush's phamarcy program for Medicare.

Clearly the group's leaders have private MediGap insurance for themselves and can throw the rest of Medicare's recipients under the bus.

Posted by: mgd1 | November 5, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

You are right, Toosoonoldtoolatesmart. All informed Americans must do our best to stop corrupt organizations like the AARP and AMA, which are making back-room deals with Obama and his accomplices at the expense of the American people.

Both the AARP and AMA must give up their non-profit status. They both expect to profit from the Obamacare scam.

AARP must not be allowed continue stealing from seniors pretending to represent them.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

As we can see, the stench of the Obamacare SCAM is so nauseating, even Democrats want distance themselves from it.

Obama and his accomplices may paint the scam in different colors and call it by different names, but people understand it's a SCAM, a power grab that will further destroy our health care, our economy and our country.

To solve our healthcare problems, we need to go in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION to Obamacare.

The last thing we need is more backroom deals (like those with Big Pharma, AARP and AMA). The last thing we need is more corruption, more debt, and more ACORN-type bureaucracy.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Republicans say the American Medical Association not qualified to make decisions on health care. Say these decisions must be left to the insurance companies.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 5, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

John Boehner, Republican of Ohio, needs to take a high school civics class so he will know the difference between the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

ROFLMAO

Posted by: Maddogg | November 5, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

AARP is just another mooching and looting insurance company bellying up to the Pelosi-Reid free lunch.

Posted by: georgejones5 | November 5, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg, the American Medical Association (AMA) does NOT represent most doctors. It represents only those involved with the AMA medical coding system, who expect to make HUGE profits under Obamacare at the expense of the American people.

As a matter of fact, "Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind."

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

You are right, georgejones5. Obama and his accomplices have bought the AARP and AMA.

Both the AARP and AMA expect to profit from Obamacare at the expense of the American people.

Obama is buying all corrupt organizations ready to sell the American people to protect their profits.

Obama and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly reached an agreement through which Big Pharma will get richer at our expense by helping Obama enslave us with Obamacare.

"The memo... says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government’s leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada — and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

In other words, Big Pharma will get richer for helping Obama enslave us with Obamacare. http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/08/14/obama-pharma-make-secret-deal/

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I think the government should pay back what people have paid into medicare and social security.

Then... you are on your own. Let me know how it works out.

Good luck!

Posted by: mikem1 | November 5, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

As a senior with presumably sound mind, I wonder if AARP has developed collective Alzheimer's.

Posted by: jayjay9
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Use you Medicare to see if your presumption is right or wrong.

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 5, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Antonio

Is Japan "enslaved" by their public health care system? Britain? Are any of the other industrialized nations "enslaved" by their version of "Obamacare"?

Your rhetoric does nothing to advance the debate.

Posted by: mikem1 | November 5, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg, the American Medical Association (AMA) does NOT represent most doctors. It represents only those involved with the AMA medical coding system, who expect to make HUGE profits under Obamacare at the expense of the American people.
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Every single insurance claim that any doctor makes requires use of the IDC codes so try some other lame excuse!

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 5, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"I think the government should pay back what people have paid into medicare and social security."

How? The're broke (or havent you been paying attention) and severely in debt; the social security trust fund is filled with only IOU's; and the health care fix is going to cost 1.2 trillion (that we don't have). And if you really believe the price tag will come down, you are extremely naive.

Posted by: KingJL | November 5, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

AARP is just another mooching and looting insurance company bellying up to the Pelosi-Reid free lunch.

Posted by: georgejones5
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Did they just become an insurance company today? They were not yesterday!

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 5, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd sure put my trust in AARP long before I'd put it in Fox, the Republicans, Rush, anyone in conservative media, and certainly the insurance companies. All you "seniors" now bashing AARP, sorry, but I think you are indeed a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: ggwalt | November 5, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

If the makers of oxygen gave the health care plan support may cons would say they're gonna stop breathing.

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 5, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Emmetrope, since the advent of Medicare, the AMA has become a government-financed entity, deriving most of its funding from multi-million dollar contracts with Medicare to produce ICD-9 and CPT code books.

The AMA copyrights these and sells them to physicians and other healthcare providers, for additional millions. This arrangement was foisted on medicine when the AMA decided to make lemonade out of lemons for itself (never mind doctors or patients) and sold the idea to physicians that it was best for the AMA to produce these code books rather than to have the government produce them directly.

AMA is a corrupt organization that plans to increase its profits at our expense.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

As we could see from town halls, marches, and the thousands at the Capitol today, the only Americans who support the Obamacare SCAM (in all its Orwellian, manipulative versions) are Obama's accomplices and those who have been dumbed down by a substandard and politicized education as per the warnings of Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov.

In 1985, Bezmenov told us that our enemies were working hard at brainwashing us (dumbing us down) and would succeed if we did not defend our principles: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

The dumbed down are obviously unable to understand that the "public option" will further contribute to “the American descent into Marxism," which “is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple…" http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

Fortunately, as we could see from town halls, marches, and the thousands at the Capitol today, most Americans have not been dumbed down. Most Americans are not sheeple and prefer to be FREE.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I wish you people could hear yourselves. I'd happily have a few dollars more taken out of my paycheck so that my 20 and 30-something year old friends could get some sort of health care. I'm really, really glad that everybody spreading misinformation about the "horrors" of a public option is either old enough to be in an established non-contract position (or simply in a wealthy family), but we're college graduates in our first, entry-level jobs. And most of us are busting our behinds to get and keep the few jobs in our fields available. These days, since the economic meltdown, a young professional can't just pick and choose until he or she a job that offers a full benefits package. Even in the safest fields like business and computer science, most jobs are contract or contract-to-hire, and thus carry no health benefits. Asking for them would be just another way to condone the outsourcing of our jobs. This means that we purposefully have to avoid going to the doctor or dentist, even when we're sick or injured (and by the way, we're the most vulnerable age bracket to H1N1, too!). So, we're a legitimate voter base of university and trade-school educated people, who have very few choices but the public option to get affordable health care at all. How do you think we will vote?

I'm sure the answer to this will be something like "Don't get sick!" or "Buy Blue Cross!" (Check the prices and co-pays on their individual plans - they are laughably astronomical for a new grad). Give us a better answer? Will the GOP plan for 6 million insured cover us?

Posted by: Tisip | November 5, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

AARP is an organization that "LIES' to its members.

It owuld not have anything to do with the leader of AARP and Obama in his back pocket.

Posted by: winstonchurchill13 | November 5, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Tisip, if you'd happily have a few dollars more taken out of your paycheck so that your 20 and 30-something year old friends could get some sort of health care, PLEASE DO! Is someone stopping you?

You have no right, however, to STEAL from our children and grandchildren to finance the criminal Obamacare SCAM.

By the way, Obamacare will FORCE you to buy insurance. You will be penalized if you don't... unless, of course, you prefer to never make any money and just live at the expense of others.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 5, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

AntioniSosa, think about it this way (and by the way, I frequently -am- the only one who -can- help pay for my college-aged friends' doctor visits when they refuse to go for fear of the bills). We are not stealing from your children and grandchildren. How long will it be before -they're- 18, 20, 25, and in the job market? Perhaps you can support your kids and grandkids when they are in this situation - if so, that is fortunate for you, and I am truly happy. But what will happen if -they- finish their Masters degrees in engineering at the top of their class, and can only take a contract position on low pay and with no benefits - because somebody overseas can do the job cheaper? What if your portfolio meets hard times that year and you can't support them? Its not 1970 anymore. Even the bright, hard working young people have to fight outsourcing and downsizing to get and keep jobs of any sort. Whatever you attribute it to, we're a weakening work force - people overseas frequently have better credentials, better mathematical skills, and work for much less. At least in the eyes of CEOs and hiring managers.

Unless the economy snaps back completely before then - and I'm not sure any analysts can make that promise, they are going to be in the same situation as most of my friends are now. Think of it as reverse social security in this particular instance. Those of us who are fortunate enough to have moderately lucrative careers will pay a small measure for those who do not have them yet, and those people in turn will pay for that of your children and grandchildren if they are in the same situation in a decade.

Posted by: Tisip | November 5, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Tisip, when we vote Obama and his gang of Marxists out, we can take the U.S. back to its free-enterprise, prosperity fostering roots.

The "Progressives" (communists) have taken over the Democratic Party and are behind our current crises, which seem to have been intentionally created to enslave us. The progressives -- with their socialist agenda and fraudulent institutions such as ACORN, Fanny Mae, and Freddy Mac -- created our housing crisis, which led to our initial financial crisis.

And, with Obama leading the way, they are creating new crises... And they don't let a good crisis pass without taking advantage of it to increase the control of the government, to further enslave us.

That's what scams like Obamacare and cap and trade are all about.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 6, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Tisip, I know you are right when you write, "Even the bright, hard working young people have to fight outsourcing and downsizing to get and keep jobs of any sort."

Do you know that, in 1985, Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov warned us that our enemies were working hard at brainwashing us (dumbing us down)? Listen to him: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

But most Americans are not dumb. Most Americans like you are bright people. Once people like you understand your power, you can have what the founders of your country fought for: freedom and prosperity.

Don't let Obama and his U.S. hating Marxist destroy the future that you DESERVE to have.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | November 6, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Good God,not another Barack Obama & Obama
Post Lie! As,it is clear from the comments
here by Former AARP Members that AARP no
longer spesks for them and that along with
Obamacare was why the quit belonging to
AARP! So while AARP The Insurance Company
may endorse Obamacare,however the Members &
Former Memvers of AARP do not! WAPO or the
Obama Post lies as much as Barack Obama!

Posted by: loneeagle1938 | November 6, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

AARP has been at the forefront of getting all Americans quality, affordable, accessible healthcare. They understand the need to cover all Americans as well as protecting the Medicare rights of their members aged 65 and over. However, about half of their members are 50 to 64 and they have horrific stories about being denied insurance coverage, of getting coverage dropped when someone in the family gets a serious illness. Our current healthcare system is broken, and I applaud AARP for being so committed to helping all Americans to get coverage.

The AARP volunteers who give of their time and energy have spent countless hours bringing facts to groups of seniors across the country. Somehow the "facts" seem to me missing in many of the hate filled entries here. This House bill may not be the "best" answer to this issue, but it covers many of the problems that AARP volunteers agreed was necessary in an acceptable plan. I am so appreciative of everything the AARP talented staff and the AARP volunteers have done to help us get this far.

Posted by: kgr5130 | November 6, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The so-called cuts to Medicare will come from overpayments to Medicare Advantage programs -- and AARP gets royalties from one of those -- which have been going straight in to the pockets of insurers (United Health), so there will be no detriment to users of those plans. If the insurers cut benefits or raises premiums, that's because they don't want to cut profits. Do you know it is actually illegal for a publically traded company to do anything detrimental to stockholder value?

AARP gets no benefit from the House bill. It's a wash. Those already on Medicare should see no changes. It's those 50-64 who will benefit most, due to a reduction in age rating, where they are now charged as much as seven times the premium for younger people and the ban on denying or limiting coverage for pre-existing conditions.

Actually, that one cuts across generations. If you have a child born with a heart defect or some such, your employer based insurance may cover care, but if you change or lose your job, your kid will be uninsurable for anything related to that problem. That's another reason why this bill is so important.

Posted by: simcha1 | November 6, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

If you are an AARP member and do not agree with their support of the government run health support then shred your AARP card and send it to the AMERICAN SENIORS ASSOCIATION ("ASA"). ASA is a moderate organization that offers similar benefits but is against the government run health care. Send them your shredded AARP card and get an extra year membership at no cost:

http://www.americanseniors.org/Pages/home.aspx?Images=/images/index_new.gif

Posted by: Bubbette1 | November 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Can the AARP be any more myopic? A fraction of the cost of this legislation will be borne by $500 billion in Medicare cuts. This country has two healthcare entitlements - Medicare for seniors and Medicaid for the poor who cannot afford health insurance. Expanding coverage to those who don't need it and who don't want it is going to result in less care for the key groups who most need it. The AARP endorsement of a plan designed to expand a dependent voting constituency is an unforgivable disservice to seniors.

Posted by: tjk3 | November 6, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

AARP has sold out its members.

I have cancelled my membership and auto plan.

Posted by: Kyle197 | November 7, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

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