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Prospects for GOP support of Senate health care bill are dwindling

By Shailagh Murray
As Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid works to unite his 60-member Democratic caucus in support for health-care reform, his prospects for Republican converts appear to be dwindling.

Just two GOP senators are considered gettable by Reid and White House officials, as Democrats race to wrap up action on the bill before Christmas. But on Tuesday morning, one of those lawmakers -- Sen. Susan Collins of Maine -- signaled she would likely vote with her party against the legislation.

"I don't see voting for the current bill that is on the floor even with the improvements that have been made," Collins told reporters.

Collins has conferred with Democrats and White House officials on possible changes to the bill, and last week offered an amendment with Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.), an uncommitted member of the Democratic caucus -- to strengthen provisions in the bill related to the quality standards for doctors and hospitals.

But Collins said she was "very leery" of the nearly $500 billion in Medicare cuts in the bill and about the burden it could impose on small businesses. "The bill is getting better, but it's still too deeply flawed for me to support it," Collins said.

Democrats are more hopeful about their chances with Sen. Olympia Snowe, Collins' homestate colleague, but Snowe told reporters Tuesday morning that she is alarmed by Reid's Christmas timetable. "It's going to be difficult," Snowe told reporters, to adequately review the bill in such a short time period.

And yet Democrats already have given Snowe a head start, by briefing her in one-on-one sessions on the latest version of the bill, which has yet to be made public as it awaits an official cost analysis from the Congressional Budget Office. The new draft includes a number of small-business provisions that Snowe had sought.

"It's not truly understandable what the deadline of Christmas is all about. It's not logical," Snowe said. Although Democrats are eager to wrap up health care before the 2010 election cycle begins in earnest, Snowe said, "A political deadline doesn't make good policy." She added, "You can't say it's historic, you can't say it's never been done before in the history of this country, and then say we've got to put it on this ambitious, unrealistic time table. It's only been on the floor for two weeks."

On the other hand, Lieberman -- one of the handful of Democratic caucus members who has not yet endorsed the legislation -- appeared to be warming to the $848 billion package. Reid has now met Lieberman's demands of dropping the public option and the Medicare buy-in proposal that liberals had sought as a consolation prize, once the public option was pushed off the table.

"We've got a great health insurance reform bill here. And the danger was that some of my colleagues, I think, were just trying to load it up with too much. And what happens then is that you run the risk of losing everything," Lieberman told reporters Tuesday morning. "So I think what's beginning to emerge -- though I know some people are not happy about it -- is really a historic achievement, health care reform such as we've not seen in this country for decades."

By Web Politics Editor  |  December 15, 2009; 3:18 PM ET
Categories:  Health Reform  
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"Prospects for GOP support of Senate health care bill are dwindling"

What a surprise from the party of the:

1. homophobic neanderthals
2. tax-phobic cockroaches
3. selfish cowards
4. religious hypocrites
5. mean spirited jackasses
6. hateful mamma's boys
7. sexually repressed perverts
8. anal retentive crybabies
9. self-righteous simpletons
10. misogynists
11. rednecks
12. anti-intellectuals
13. paranoid schizophrenics
13. callous slugs
14. greedy hogs
15. stupid, stupid, stupid

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | December 15, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

THINGS THEY ALREADY KNOW BUT ARE STILL GOING FORWARD WITH:

"Without the devolved system[put into place just in 2000 in Engalnd], those in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland willing to pay for faster care (such as cataract and hip replacement surgery as allowed in England using "Independent Sector Treatment Centres") are prevented from doing so by law.

But England's decrease in waiting times is relative. Prior to the introduction of competition via the NHS's devolution plan in 2000, wait times for a U.K. patient to be seen by a physician commonly exceeded two years. As of January 2008, the British government declared that its goal was to have all patients seen within 18 weeks of seeking medical care.

As many as 100,000 operations are canceled annually by the NHS due to shortages of facilities, doctors and resources.

England's four-month waiting period is a laudable goal compared with the Scottish system in which a waiting list reduction to six months is lauded by some as a measure of success.

In Wales, the waiting list target is eight months. Unfortunately for the country's residents facing acute and chronic illness, as of 2008 there were an additional 60,000 Welsh patients on the NHS waiting list than in 2001. A bright spot, according to Welsh leadership, is that the government health system provided free prescriptions for those who actually made it past the waiting list to be seen by a doctor."

((( there is absolutely no reason for this country to get burned at the stake; we already know the impending disaster of government putting their hands into healthcare and any Govt. Office overseeing this as will be is exactly what will happen if it goes forward. why are we still pursuing this?)))

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | December 15, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Prospects of GOP support shrink????

Is the Washington Post implying that there were any prospects of GOP support to begin with? The GOP is solely focused on opposing Obama initiatives ever since Obama was elected. The only real news would be if the GOP actually supported health care reform.

Posted by: rousehouse | December 15, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

adrienne_najjar
-=--===--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
NOW that you have had a moment to look at what you posted do you see the reason why one would think of you as a very hateful person?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | December 15, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"But Senator Susan Collins of Maine, one of the few Republicans who had seemed like a possible supporter of the bill, said that her reservations had not been put to rest because she was “very leery” of proposed Medicare reductions." New York Times

I am thankful that the Senate Republicans are united to support Grandma and Grandpa's medical needs.

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 15, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Adrienne Najjar, surely it would be better to spell something

Right-wing
evil
paranoid
unethical
bigoted
loony
idiot
crazy
anti-woman
Neanderthal
stupid people

Posted by: jonawebb | December 15, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Junk the Rethuglicans, Reid! Junk Lieberman! Go it alone, and keep congress in session from now until Tax Day in April if necessary, but DON'T CAVE IN!

Posted by: sailmaker1943 | December 15, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, we all know who to thank for this.

All those with ailments, sick children, sick elderly parents, disabilities, and life threatening conditions can thank conservatives, Republicans and the GOP.

President Obama made a strong effort to keep his promise, but in the end, gullible Americans worked tirelessly (against their own best interests) to fulfill the wishes of those who stand to greatly profit from our suffering.. the health care industry and the giant multinational Pharm corporations.

So look into your sick children's eyes and tell them that relief won't be coming thanks to Republicans.

Look into your soon to be departed elderly parents eyes and tell them that it was THIER party that caused the continuation of their pain and suffering.

Look into the eye's of your spouse and tell them that relief from the pain of their condition could not come because the Republican party willed it so.

Do THAT, and know YOU didn't stop their efforts..

Sleep well.

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | December 15, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Let's see how many Republican resumes contain the phrase "I voted against health care reform" in 2010.

Posted by: ScottChallenger | December 15, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe there are still believers in Obomba and the lib dems!!!

Posted by: houston123 | December 15, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"So I think what's beginning to emerge -- though I know some people are not happy about it...." Reid

The understatement of the year. "Some people" (i.e. the entire American public).

Reid's bill kills lives, steals money from the poor and the lower middle class and our taxes and hands it to insurance companies, and robs Grandma and Grandpa's medical needs.

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 15, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Now that the public option has been ditched and it will be all private health insurers, Americans can look forward to the savings from outsourcing overseas claim processing.

Americans can prepare for the conversations with overseas claim processors. The Hindu word for heart is dil. The Oxford Hindi-English Dictionary sells for under $30 on Amazon.

This dictionary will also be useful in conversations regarding your account in your American bank or the computer you bought from an American company.

Posted by: bsallamack | December 15, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

If progressives joined with Republicans to kill this bill, I think politically it would cut the throats of conservative Democrats in red states. Blue State Democrats really don't have much to worry about either way. Anybody Democrats care if the blue dogs go down in flames next year? Not me.

Posted by: rodneythecat | December 15, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@ADRIEENE NAJAAR

3. selfish cowards
13. callous slugs

and mainly

5. mean spirited jackasses

have you had a chance to look at yourself in the mirror?

and I might add, you sound like an angry person, loosen up, try getting laid once in a while. I know that entails having to clear out the cobwebs down below, but it's achievable.

I'm sure that is the change that everyone in your little circle can believe in.

lol

Posted by: Magox | December 15, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

What did ppl do ONLY A SHORT TIME AGO when they got sick? They took care of the sick themselves!!!

Posted by: houston123 | December 15, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

BellsBlu2 wrote: "Sleep well."

Thank you, I shall knowing that I have tried to stop the pain of the babies being exterminated by Reid's bill by its requirement for the taxpayers to be mandated to pay for pre-birth murder.

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 15, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

adrienne_najjar
-=--===--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
NOW that you have had a moment to look at what you posted do you see the reason why one would think of you as a very hateful person?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate
===========================

Stung by the truth?

Oh, that's right...Some folks never expect to encounter it... no matter how much harm they champion.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | December 15, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rodney the Cat, you sure about that? Looks like some pansy blue ass governor from N.J is home watching MSNBC with $100Mill less in his bank account.

Amazing how you libs conveniently disregard all the public polls. CNN poll shows that less than 34% of the public oppose this bill.

lol

Posted by: Magox | December 15, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

rodneythecat

If progressives joined with Republicans to kill this bill, I think politically it would cut the throats of conservative Democrats in red states. Blue State Democrats really don't have much to worry about either way. Anybody Democrats care if the blue dogs go down in flames next year? Not me.
___________________________________________________

If the Blue Dogs go down, it will be a Republican-controlled House.

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 15, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

dems hystericaly searching

for a republican willing to landrieu for thirty pieces of silver........

Posted by: ProCounsel | December 15, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Yonkers, New York
15 December 2009

From the very start, Republicans have made it clear that they not only would not vote for a health-care reform bill in any shape or form; Senator Orin Hatch, probably speaking for all of them, said that he would wage "Holy War" against such reform.

It cannot be that they do not see the need to reform a health-care reform system that is by national consensus already judged to be financially unsustainable, and one which denies health care insurance to some 47 millions unfortunate Americans.

The more likely reason, which of course they cannot admit openly, is that the successful passage of a health-care reform bill, after decades of benign neglect, will immensely improve the standing of President Barack Obama and the Democrats in the eyes of the American people.

The Republicans don't what that to happen. They simply want President Obama to FAIL!

Mariano Patalinjug

Posted by: MPatalinjug | December 15, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

BellsBlu2 wrote: "Sleep well."

Thank you, I shall knowing that I have tried to stop the pain of the babies being exterminated by Reid's bill by its requirement for the taxpayers to be mandated to pay for pre-birth murder.
=======================

I believe we've had this same discussio yesterday....

You know.. the one where you STOLE my post, re-arranged it, and claimed it as your own?

That one?

I also seem to recall mentioning that your anti-Abortion stance lacks credibility since YOU are unwilling to be neutered so as to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

Get yourself neutered, THEN we'll talk about what someone ELSE has to do to satisfy your mad delusions of control of others reproductive future.

Till then, you have ZERO credibility.

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | December 15, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

There were never any prospects for GOP support. And there never will be any.

You might get some support from Olympia Snow, but she's hardly the GOP.

kwoods2 wrote:

Thank you, I shall knowing that I have tried to stop the pain of the babies being exterminated by Reid's bill by its requirement for the taxpayers to be mandated to pay for pre-birth murder.

============

Odd. Conservatives are just wild about pre-birth murder about Jewish babies. Conservatives fall over themselves to send money to Israel with it's socialized medicine, and a bureaucrats that rubber stamp abortion requests.

What is it that you conservatives find so satisfying about murdering Jewish babies?

[P.S. If your response begins with "Let me count the ways..." please just highlight the major reasons you like murdering Jewish babies.]

Posted by: James10 | December 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hot off the presses today:

40% support this reform

56% oppose it.


Keep at it Dems! Ignore the more pressing issues at your peril. The voters will thank you in 2010 by showing you the unemployment line.

Posted by: RobParker | December 15, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Collin's remarks (about fearing Medicare cuts) make no sense, so she must be using that line for cover. There are no cuts to benefits for seniors or increases in their costs. There are cuts to payments to hospitals and others that they WANT, because they are more than made up for with reduced uninsured patients who generate bad debts. No one wants Collins to protect them.

Why are we still talking about England? There is no government takeover in the bill. just subsidies for purchasing private insurance and a mandate to buy it. the best criticism of this bill is not that it's socialist, but that it's all a capitalist gift to the insurance industry. not true either, but closer than the garbage being spewed by opponents. one more time - there is no government takeover of health care in this bill. anywhere

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 15, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

BellsBlu2 wrote: "Sleep well."

Thank you, I shall knowing that I have tried to stop the pain of the babies being exterminated by Reid's bill by its requirement for the taxpayers to be mandated to pay for pre-birth murder.
=======================

I believe we've had this same discussio yesterday....

You know.. the one where you STOLE my post, re-arranged it, and claimed it as your own?

That one?

I also seem to recall mentioning that your anti-Abortion stance lacks credibility since YOU are unwilling to be neutered so as to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

Get yourself neutered, THEN we'll talk about what someone ELSE has to do to satisfy your mad delusions of control of others reproductive future.

Till then, you have ZERO credibility.
________________________________________________
Your post was rotten, you need not covet it.

Someone worth quoting:

"This legislation moves us toward redefining abortion as health care which is the ultimate objective of the abortion lobby led by Planned Parenthood,” Yoest said in a written release.

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 15, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"If the Blue Dogs go down, it will be a Republican-controlled House."

Oh well, no one forced Democrats to ignore their base. Democrats and the White House were looking for an excuse too, just as they have on the war. My guess is they'll pay a price for their "pricipals" at the election booth as liberals in red states sit this one out.

Posted by: rodneythecat | December 15, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"" A New York Times/CBS poll of 1,050 people between July 24-28 asked whether they would "favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government administered health insurance plan — something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get — that would compete with private health insurance plans." Around 66 percent favored the idea and 27 percent opposed it.""
SO? why the hell does this little pip-squeak get to decide what is best for the rest of the country? This is total BS ! This time Joe Lieberman has no where to be re-elected again in Connecticut. This guy will be voted out for good this time. The GOP and Leiberman are all in the back pockets of the insurance companies who will continue to treat people like a commodity.

Posted by: FLITTER54 | December 15, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

According to research from the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health, in a study funded by the U.S. government, Conservatism has been found to be a mental disorder.

So......

QUESTION:

If conservatism is a mental illness( And no one can honestly doubt that it is, looking at their positions), why are they allowed to serve in elected office?

Why are they allowed to drive?

Why are they allowed to own weapons?

Why are they allowed to raise children?

Conservatives should be on some sort of national register like a sex offender.

They are clearly a danger to themselves and others.

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | December 15, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

BellsBlu2 wrote: "Sleep well."

Thank you, I shall knowing that I have tried to stop the pain of the babies being exterminated by Reid's bill by its requirement for the taxpayers to be mandated to pay for pre-birth murder.
=======================

I believe we've had this same discussio yesterday....

You know.. the one where you STOLE my post, re-arranged it, and claimed it as your own?

That one?

I also seem to recall mentioning that your anti-Abortion stance lacks credibility since YOU are unwilling to be neutered so as to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

Get yourself neutered, THEN we'll talk about what someone ELSE has to do to satisfy your mad delusions of control of others reproductive future.

Till then, you have ZERO credibility.
________________________________________________
Your post was rotten, you need not covet it.

Someone worth quoting:

"This legislation moves us toward redefining abortion as health care which is the ultimate objective of the abortion lobby led by Planned Parenthood,” Yoest said in a written release.
Posted by: kwoods2
=====================

So, ,by that reasoning, you feel you were entitled to STEAL my words and repost them as your own?

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | December 15, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1 wrote:

Collin's remarks (about fearing Medicare cuts) make no sense, so she must be using that line for cover. There are no cuts to benefits for seniors or increases in their costs. There are cuts to payments to hospitals and others that they WANT, because they are more than made up for with reduced uninsured patients who generate bad debts. No one wants Collins to protect them.

Why are we still talking about England? There is no government takeover in the bill. just subsidies for purchasing private insurance and a mandate to buy it. the best criticism of this bill is not that it's socialist, but that it's all a capitalist gift to the insurance industry. not true either, but closer than the garbage being spewed by opponents. one more time - there is no government takeover of health care in this bill. anywhere

________________________________________________
Your post is really bizarre more bizarre in fact than Alice in Wonderland, and it took a drugged madman to write it.

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 15, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"" A New York Times/CBS poll of 1,050 people between July 24-28 asked whether they would "favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government administered health insurance plan — something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get — that would compete with private health insurance plans." Around 66 percent favored the idea and 27 percent opposed it.""
SO? why the hell does this little pip-squeak get to decide what is best for the rest of the country? This is total BS ! This time Joe Lieberman has no where to be re-elected again in Connecticut. This guy will be voted out for good this time. The GOP and Leiberman are all in the back pockets of the insurance companies who will continue to treat people like a commodity.

Posted by: FLITTER54 | December 15, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

BellsBlu2 wrote: "Sleep well."

Thank you, I shall knowing that I have tried to stop the pain of the babies being exterminated by Reid's bill by its requirement for the taxpayers to be mandated to pay for pre-birth murder.
=======================

I believe we've had this same discussio yesterday....

You know.. the one where you STOLE my post, re-arranged it, and claimed it as your own?

That one?

I also seem to recall mentioning that your anti-Abortion stance lacks credibility since YOU are unwilling to be neutered so as to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

Get yourself neutered, THEN we'll talk about what someone ELSE has to do to satisfy your mad delusions of control of others reproductive future.

Till then, you have ZERO credibility.
________________________________________________
Your post was rotten, you need not covet it.

Someone worth quoting:

"This legislation moves us toward redefining abortion as health care which is the ultimate objective of the abortion lobby led by Planned Parenthood,” Yoest said in a written release.
Posted by: kwoods2
=====================

So, ,by that reasoning, you feel you were entitled to STEAL my words and repost them as your own?

_________________________________________________
I'm sorry that you haven't been sleeping well with your own words coming back at you with truth added to them.

Here are some words you should contemplate:


“In addition, the draconian cuts in Medicare would lead at the very least to delayed care for many of our elderly citizens, and delayed care with senior citizens often results in fatally denied care,” Land told Baptist Press. “The draconian cuts in Medicare certainly do not meet the Ten Commandments’ standard of honoring thy father and thy mother.”

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 15, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious the Republicans won't cooperate for any meaningful bills. Their wish is not a healthier nation, but rather the defeat of Democrats at the cost of a failed nation. Democrats must decide now: bipartisan failure or do-it-alone success. The Republicans do not wish to share any success with the Democrats.

Posted by: pspox | December 15, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party of "NO" has no intention of supporting anything Obama and the Democrats want to accomplish.

IS THIS A SUPRISE WASHING POST? Where have you been - gee - do you read you own
newspaper?

The Dems should have never allowed Leiberman in their caucus, and should have kicked him out over this support for the Republicans -- he is an ass----, and idiot,and a traitor.

Wake up Dems: Snowe and Collins would have been much more worthy of your efforts.

Are all the Democrats in Congress just totally stupid? A majority that cannot get anything done because of a minority that pisses and moans about everything -- they tanked America - DO NOT FORGET THIS

THE REPUBLICANS DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY, AND CONTINUE TO TAKE US ON THIS PATH TODAY

Posted by: Sirius2 | December 15, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Without a "public option", there is little support for this health care bill. That's what the polls show.
The Republicans have little or no influence on the outcome - and rightly so - they're fighting over whether "fairies" can marry.
Therefore, let the bill fail and replace the blue dogs with progressives in 2010.
Or, invoke the nuclear option (51%) vote with the public option the electorate demands and let the blue dogs die at the hands of their own constituents.
Either way, we the people win, they lose.

Posted by: stosp | December 15, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Here are some words you should contemplate:


“In addition, the draconian cuts in Medicare would lead at the very least to delayed care for many of our elderly citizens, and delayed care with senior citizens often results in fatally denied care,” Land told Baptist Press. “The draconian cuts in Medicare certainly do not meet the Ten Commandments’ standard of honoring thy father and thy mother.”

Posted by: kwoods2
========================

Ten commandments?

You've gotta be kidding me.

NUTBALL ALERT!!!!!

ROFLMFAO.

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | December 15, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

In America, more than 100 million people get Government-sponsored Health care-Congress, Federal employees, the VA, the Military, Medicare, Medicaid and the CHIPS program.

A second group of more than 60-70 million citizens and illegals are uninsured. These get their Primary care at our Emergency rooms and Public Hospitals.

The third group pays for the first group with our taxes and pays also for the second group with rapidly escalating private insurance premiums because the costs of the ever-expanding second group are passed down to us.

Question to media pundits and mathematicians out there in the Office of Personnel Management, the Congressional Budget Office and MIT: Why is this third group in America quickly losing its ability to pay private Health insurance coverage? Is there something profoundly wrong here?

Posted by: lionelroger | December 15, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

a baby will grow up to be a great american. and he or she will only be alive

because sen ben nelson (d. neb) stood against mandatory abortion coverage in obamacare

and thats a living legacy that will bless

long afrter every dem senate hack is

dust

Posted by: ProCounsel | December 15, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

James10,

What is it that you conservatives find so satisfying about murdering Jewish babies?

[P.S. If your response begins with "Let me count the ways..." please just highlight the major reasons you like murdering Jewish babies.]
_________________________________________________
In no way can Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, be called "conservative"

Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger spoke at a 1926 Ku Klux Klan rally, used the “n” word in reference to blacks, and deemed Aboriginal Australians “the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development.” “The Jewish people and Italian families,” she testified to the New York legislature, “who are filling the insane asylums, who are filling the hospitals and filling our feeble-minded institutions, these are the ones the tax payers have to pay for the upkeep of, and they are increasing the budget of the State, the enormous expense of the State is increasing because of the multiplication of the unfit in this country and in the State.”

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 15, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice how members of the right are happily willing to consign MILLIONS of Americans to substandard or non-existent health care while pointing to the bible and fictitious violations of it?

This is unacceptable.

Their delusions. which we've ALL politely endured in the past should no longer be tolerated.

They TRULY ARE a threat to themselves and others.

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | December 15, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Since way back in March the Republicans in the Senate had stated explicitly that their major goal was to prevent President Obama from providing health care to the tens of millions of Americans in need -- to make it his Waterloo -- in what possible way does the headline, "Prospects for GOP support of Senate health care bill are dwindling," have any basis in reality?

Posted by: edallan | December 15, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

There never was a chance of any other Republicans than the Mainers, anyway. They live in fear of right-wing conservatives and their mouthpieces like Rush Limbaugh...all of them. Also useless is Lieberman; did ya hear him support the Medicare buy-in before this weekend?

Go for Snowe and Collins from Maine, I say. Good people, last Congressional Republicans deserving of respect in the country.

Posted by: dudh | December 15, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Collins is one step behind Lieberman, and walks in lock step with him. What will Collins do about the Insurance racket in Maine where one company has exclusive rights to the poor payers? She is a game player.
Time for Maine to get a wakeup call..

Posted by: umt123 | December 15, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

There were ever prospects of GOP support for the healthcare bill?

That's like saying there are prospects of hell freezing over.

Posted by: Ogguls | December 15, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I support the bill but if it is defeated then so what? Let Republicans without health insurance go bankrupt if they can't pay their medical bills. Global warming is a hoax? Okay, let Texas and its GOP majority turn into cinders. There. Everybody is happy.

Posted by: Moosehead1 | December 15, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Never forget that the Republic Party of No, representing 10 percent of the US citizenry, got their 40 US Senators to ignore what the vast majority of American citizens want.

Only insane people who hate America would vote for the GOP.

Posted by: WillSeattle | December 15, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

BellsBlu2

Anyone else notice how members of the right are happily willing to consign MILLIONS of Americans to substandard or non-existent health care while pointing to the bible and fictitious violations of it?

___________________________________________________
Yes, the Bible does say to honor thy father and thy mother.

Yes, Reid's bill does rob 500 Billion from our mothers and fathers grandma and grandpa.

Anyone notice how the Senate Democrats are steamrolling over the public will with Reid's requirement that taxpayers are mandated to pay for pre-birth murder even though the majority of Americans oppose federal funding in health care legislation.

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 15, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The politicians especially the GOP are against health reform because they stand to lose money out of their pockets. But I am disappointed in my fellow Americans response to helping the uninsured and underinsured receive health care coverage. What are the Americans getting from the blockage of health care coverage for all Americans? Why would you not want everyone to be able to visit a doctor or receive dental care? Are we so mean spirited and selfish that we can not help other Americans receive health care? This is so irony because we claim to be supporting foreign children in South America, Africa and Asia-how can you support these people and not support your own fellow Americans? This whole attitude does not make sense!

Posted by: sun52shine | December 15, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The GOP support for the health care bill was always zero, nil, nada, zilch, nought. And the GOP has been signaling it loud and clear since the summer. How could it be dwindling? What on earth is Murray thinking about? And why does he have the arrogance to think that the public at large did not know about it?

What air exactly are the beltway creatures breathing? Are they all hooked on oxygen tanks that they are so high as to be so delusional day after day, week after week?

Posted by: Gatsby10 | December 15, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I hope Democrats' campaign commercials next year feature plenty of screeching, annoying tea baggers. Hopefully the DNC has compiled much useable footage by now.

Oh yes, and I hope many, many republican candidates are strictly Party Of No purified wingnut conservatives.

What a wonderful world it would be.

Posted by: binkynh | December 15, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't think any informed observer expected any help on health care legislation from the Republicans, with the exception of the two ladies from Maine. Mitch McConnell would prefer in every instance to see Obama fail, including on health care. His distain of Obama is so great that if it comes down to saving the nation and helping Obama, McConnell will damage the nation. It was clear after Baucus's little rump group of "bipartisian" negotiators that the Republicans were not willing to be actively involved.

Posted by: merrylees | December 15, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

all you have to do is look at the statements made by the unemployed in this paper and see why we need health care reform. The Republicans are an evil bunch and this will never be forgotten by me anyway. I would not vote for Abe Linclon if he were to come back from the dead because he's a Republican. My 2 kids will never vote for a Republican. There not welcome in my home and never will be.

Posted by: jerseydevil | December 15, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Guns Owned Party of NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO except to Lobbyists, Big Insurance, Big Pharma and Wall Street. What happened to the Drill, Idiots, Drill brigade?

500 million guns on the streets, does it make you feel any safer with so many idiot psycho Cowards clinging to their guns and worshipping Hate TV and Hate Radio?

Posted by: mawt | December 15, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The Guns Owned Party of NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO will support flushing away $200+ BILLION each year fighting useless, pointless, illegal Wars start by their Pro Life Mass Murdering Serial Killing War Criminal Leaders. They will support spending Billions rebuilding other countries while the USA crumbles.

Posted by: mawt | December 15, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, the GOP said from day one they were not going to support anything that benefits the people. So, that's a dead horse already. They are losers. But who is the bigger loser? YOU if you let congress pass this bill without a public option, without Medicaere buy-in, with an annual cap on insurance payments.

Harry Reid could not unite his testicles let alone 60 dems and Liberman. Stop crying HOPE and face the music. This administration and Congress is no better than the last. SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, other than blogging?

Posted by: Single_Payer | December 15, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

lieberman took his bat,

and gave obamacare forty whacks

and when he saw what he had done,

he whacked reid forty-one

(shamelessly plagiarized, modified, and contorted from a poem about lizzie borden)

Posted by: ProCounsel | December 15, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

mawt wrote: "Guns Owned Party of NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO except to Lobbyists, Big Insurance, Big Pharma and Wall Street."
.........................................

Hate to break it to you mawt, but People for the American Way, AFL-CIO, AARP, etc. are agenda-driven special interest groups as well. All support passage of the health care boondoggle and make no mistake about it -- they're calling their toadies on the Hill and putting the wood to them -- Blue Dogs, RINOs and other assorted pols. But you knew that already, didn't you? Save the hysterics dude...add something to the connversation that actually has value.

Posted by: boomer131 | December 15, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

They are dwindling from a whopping high of 2?!?

Posted by: AMviennaVA | December 15, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Wrong Mariano:

The Republicans have said again and again
their needs to be health care reform, but not this bill. If they had to start over and both sides were conferring....their would be a bill and a much better one.

Anybody with any amount of sense would say what the heck are you doing with a 2000 page bill that few have read and a bill that does not go after some of the biggest cost drivers? Example: Tort Reform, Medicare Fraud, selling insurance across state lines etc.

Don't blame the Republicans exclusively, that pea brain Pelosi had as much to do with slowing this bill as anybody. Oh, not to forget the empty suit...he just outsources everything and expects magic.

Posted by: bemac1 | December 15, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

They need to scrap this half-baked measure and start from a clean slate next year.

At this point, it just a waste of time and money.

What we need is legislation that lowers the price of health care for all Americans. They need to either implement competition or price controls.

There's no good rationale to continue paying double what other developed nations pay for health care.

Posted by: postfan1 | December 15, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"taxation with representation " to pass to the new generation

The people do not want any more from this Congress, and seek to void all signatures of the Fed 2009 in BEAR REVOLT Petitions of Redress No Confidence Recall of them all.

Posted by: dottydo | December 15, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"Prospects for GOP support of Senate health care bill are dwindling"

What a surprise from the party of the:

1. homophobic neanderthals
2. tax-phobic cockroaches
3. selfish cowards
4. religious hypocrites
5. mean spirited jackasses
6. hateful mamma's boys
7. sexually repressed perverts
8. anal retentive crybabies
9. self-righteous simpletons
10. misogynists
11. rednecks
12. anti-intellectuals
13. paranoid schizophrenics
13. callous slugs
14. greedy hogs
15. stupid, stupid, stupid

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | December 15, 2009 4:10 PM

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Shouldn't talk about your mother like that...

Posted by: Straightline | December 15, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The Blue Dogs are just traitors: pure and simple. And as for Joe Lieberman and Arlen Specter, they are in the
Judas Iscariot- Arnold Bennet class.

Posted by: alzach01 | December 15, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

The only thing the GOP supports are things that damage or cause harm to the United States of America, our infrastructure, our President, our Government, and our Constitution.

Why?

Probably because they were dropped on their heads as children and thus joined the Republic Party of No.

Posted by: WillSeattle | December 15, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"Prospects for GOP support of Senate health care bill are dwindling"

What a surprise from the party of the:

1. homophobic neanderthals
2. tax-phobic cockroaches
3. selfish cowards
4. religious hypocrites
5. mean spirited jackasses
6. hateful mamma's boys
7. sexually repressed perverts
8. anal retentive crybabies
9. self-righteous simpletons
10. misogynists
11. rednecks
12. anti-intellectuals
13. paranoid schizophrenics
13. callous slugs
14. greedy hogs
15. stupid, stupid, stupid


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Posted by: jschlapo | December 15, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

What does it matter to any of you if the GOP supports it? The Democrats have 60 votes. The issue is Democrats. And yes the Democrats will have to carry this perposterous stinkbomb to the "people" all by themselves.

Posted by: kalamere | December 15, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Without the public option and now without the ability to offer early enrollment in Medicare to those from 55 to 65, we are left with only the possibility of an insurance exchange, similar to that offered to Federal employees. However, without an employer contribution and real efforts to reduce costs, that plan is not going to be affordable to most citizens. Many health insurance companies that now participate in the federal group health insurance exchange have announced premium increases of 8-12% for next year. So, the end result of all this bickering over health care/insurance reform results in nothing more than a bonanza for the health insurance companies. They have won again, thanks to a spineless Congress.

Posted by: KensingtonResident | December 15, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama-"One and done"!

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Posted by: huangzhixian170 | December 15, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Scrap the scam! No amendment can transform a Marxist scam like Obamacare into an honest bill. Any "amendments" will be just tricks, like the Stupak amendment, to force us to swallow the scam.

As you may have heard, Robert Creamer, a CONVICTED FELON and Obama’s ACORN associate, outlined the guidelines for the Obamacare SCAM in his 2007 book, “Stand Up Straight: How Progressives Can Win.”

Creamer wrote in his 2007 book:

* “We must create a national consensus that health care is a right, not a commodity; and that government must guarantee that right.”
* “We must create a national consensus that the health care system is in crisis.”
* “Our messaging program over the next two years should focus heavily on reducing the credibility of the health insurance industry and focusing on the failure of private health insurance.”
* “We need not agree in advance on the components of a plan, but we must foster a process that can ultimately yield consensus.”

As per Creamer’s book, their main objective is NOT improving health care. It’s to advance their power through the “democratization of wealth” (socialism/Marxim) as per the teachings of Saul Alinsky.
http://the-classic-liberal.com/progressive-agenda-for-structural-change-stand-up-straight/

Posted by: AntonioSosa | December 15, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are proud to be the party that has said:

NO to Marxist scams like Obamacare and cap and trade

NO to higher deficits that are destroying the future of our children and grandchildren

NO to government takeovers

NO to having the corrupt United Nations deciding what the U.S. should do

NO to Saul Alinsky's followers like the Chicago Marxist thugs

NO to stopping Americans from becoming energy independent

NO to imitating the strategy of the Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America

NO to all Obama's scams that are destroying America

YES to freedom, prosperity, patriotism and personal responsibility.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | December 15, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's pull back for now, and reapproach this in 2010 with a true bi-partisan effort. A bill by only Democrats would be as bad as a bill by only Republicans.

And a $2 TRILLION bill that no one outside of 60 senators has read cannot be any good, especially without a public option; it can only be loaded with pork and earmarks and worse.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | December 15, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

@adrienne_najjar who said:
"Prospects for GOP support of Senate health care bill are dwindling"

What a surprise from the party of the:

1. homophobic neanderthals
2. tax-phobic cockroaches
3. selfish cowards
4. religious hypocrites
5. mean spirited jackasses
6. hateful mamma's boys
7. sexually repressed perverts
8. anal retentive crybabies
9. self-righteous simpletons
10. misogynists
11. rednecks
12. anti-intellectuals
13. paranoid schizophrenics
13. callous slugs
14. greedy hogs
15. stupid, stupid, stupid

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | December 15, 2009 4:10 PM"

Great argument for supporting the health care reform bill. It's people like this that make getting things done right impossible. This isn't about being on a playground calling names...this is about the American people and what is best for THEM...not the politicians who continual pit Americans against Americans in an attempt to distract us so they can pass their pork and willynilly legislation unnoticed.

I wish people would spend more time researching and discussing their views instead of the usual drivel.

Posted by: Jackbit | December 16, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I just cannot believe that the Senate is prolonging this reform. Don't they realize that this country is in a state of an emergency when it comes to the health care of the people of this country. Maybe it doesn't matter to them because their families are comfortably covered. How absolutely disgusting. This has to be done one way or another and it is such a shame that a public option may not materialize.

Posted by: Lisa06 | December 16, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Apparently supporters of this health care boondoggle are so bereft of ideas that they have to resort to childish name calling or ridiculous caricatures of Republicans. Grow up and accept the fact that people who disagree with you might just have a different viewpoint as to the appropriate role of government.

I have two questions for supporters of ObamaReidPelosiCare: First, how is it actually going to bring down costs? Second, how will it improve the quality of medical care in this country?

Posted by: dnl117 | December 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Now make me do it" - Barack Obama (to the insurance, big pharma and for-profit health care lobbies).

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