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Posted at 10:42 AM ET, 02/ 8/2008

'Lost' Dueling Analyses: Confirmed Dead

By Liz Kelly

Join us as post.com Movies editrix Jen Chaney and I geek out about the latest episode of "Lost."


Have you seen this man? Michael Emerson as the suddenly sought after Ben Linus. (Screengrab courtesy LostEasterEggs)

Liz: No matter how you look at it, last night's show was a doozy. We got a few answers -- which we'll talk about in a sec -- but also a slew of new questions. Somehow, though, I'm not annoyed by the additional mysteries.

From a storytelling standpoint, last night's show accomplished two things. First, the writers have finally figured out how to introduce new characters without falling into the Nikki/Paolo trap. Dan, Frank, Miles and Charlotte make sense for this show in a way that Nikki and Paolo never did. They arrived on the island fully formed with secrets of their own. Well done. The other accomplishment is turning out an episode every bit as interesting, vital and captivating as one from the first season. As a chatter in last night's "Lost" live chat said, "This is so like the beginning -- newcomers meet freaked out, suspicious island dwellers." Well done, I say.

What say you, Jen?

Jen: What, you expect me to say anything other than well done, especially in an episode where Sawyer referred to Ben as Yoda? And that wasn't the only "Star Wars" reference, as we'll discuss in a bit.

I found the episode entertaining and chock full of questions -- why does Daniel notice how the light scatters? -- but it was hard to wrap my brain around at first. The reason, I think, is because the flashbacks (and I do believe they were flashbacks) each focused on a different character. It was a little jarring to keep up. But I believe the writers did this for a reason. Abaddon tells Naomi that each of the four "rescuers" was chosen for a reason. Each flashback hinted as to why: Daniel (or as I'll call him, Skinny D) was emotionally affected by the crash, and therefore perhaps extra-motivated to participate in the mission; Miles clearly has special powers, which perhaps the island can heighten; Charlotte clearly has a vested interest in Dharma; and Jimmy Buffett Man (Frank) was supposed to pilot the Oceanic flight. (Yes, I actually buy that at face value.)

Liz: Yes, for each answer we got last night, we received a new question in the bargain. Here are a few pairings that stood out to me.

Answer: Abaddon sent Naomi to the island.
Question: Who is Abaddon, really?

Answer: The wreckage of Oceanic 815 is found off the coast of Bali.
Question: How does that account for the wreckage and supposed survivors found on the island?

Answer: The boaties are there primarily to get Ben Linus.
Question: Why does Abaddon want Ben?

But let's talk about Daniel Faraday for a minute.

(Much more after the jump...)

Jen: Yes, let's.

Liz: Faraday -- the boatie played by Jeremy Davies who arrived on island wearing a tie. On the surface, we know he's a physicist and a pretty bad liar. But, as always, there is more to these characters than meets the eye. In last night's chat reader moonwatcher13 struck upon an interesting idea: "I read something recently about the hatch being a Faraday Cage."

And, sure enough, a Wikipedia entry about Faraday Cages reveals:

A Faraday cage or Faraday shield is an enclosure formed by conducting material, or by a mesh of such material. Such an enclosure blocks out external static electrical fields. Faraday cages are named after physicist Michael Faraday, who built one in 1836.

To a large degree, Faraday cages also shield the interior from external electromagnetic radiation.

I've come to the conclusion that only someone with supernatural powers can be orchestrating this show.

Jen: Aha. This explains why he had that box with the gas masks, etc., which reminded me an awful lot of Desmond and Kevin Inman from season two. They were living in said "Faraday Cage" and convinced they could not leave (well, at least Desmond was) without suiting up.

Liz: And it might also explain Faraday's trepidation with his environment and fascination with the light you mentioned above. He seems either to not trust the island environment or to be surprised to find it, well, livable.

Jen: As for Abaddon -- he may be the one with supernatural powers. There has been a lot of speculation on the 'ol Net about him having smoke monster-like properties. Speaking of which, total aside, but God bless Locke for asking Ben about the monster. I personally don't buy that Ben doesn't know what the monster is.

Liz: Agreed -- that was a huge comfort to diehard fans who have long been frustrated by the lack of smoke monster explanations. Not that we got one last night, but at least we know the writers/producers are thinking about it. Now if only they'd make with an explanation for the four-toed statue.

Oh, and another aside -- nice of Locke to mentally prepare us for a post-puberty Walt. ("Tall Ghost Walt," as Sawyer called him.)

Jen: Sawyer's skepticism of Tall Ghost Walt was classic. But I thought people would be more creeped out. Then again, this is not the first time someone has sworn they were seeing Walt even though he is technically MIA. (See: Shannon.)

Here is another question, which I think someone also raised during last night's chatting: Where did Desmond, Jin and Sun go? They seem to be with neither Camp Locke nor Camp Jack. And no one seems to notice. Continuity error or have they disappeared?

Liz: I would err on the side of a continuity error myself, but we'll find out next week I suppose. After all, this is the show that has Rose and Bernard seemingly MIA for weeks only to reappear when in need of a little levity.

Jen: Let's back up a second. I want to address Locke and his kidney.

Liz: Who doesn't?

Jen: Now, the notion that he lived because his kidney was missing is interesting from a symbolic perspective since he doesn't have it because his father stole it. So the father is saving his son. (It's also a little Jesus like that he bears a wound and has "resurrected.") But realistically, it doesn't make sense. Which is why, as some suggested last night, Locke could be "walking dead." There, but not there, like our buddy Charlie.

Liz: Right -- and good catch re: Locke's father unwittingly doing him a solid (if John is indeed alive). It does seem as though even if no major organs were hit, John would still have suffered major blood loss and potential infection. I mean, the man hasn't even bothered to paste a Band-Aid over the wound. How gauche.

Which raises this question for me: If John is the walking dead, could this be why he suddenly has all the answers? Are the dead perhaps somehow omniscient? And does this disqualify Locke from being one of the Oceanic 6?

Jen: I don't think Locke is one of them. He doesn't want to leave the island, even if we assume he is alive in the traditional sense.

But this omniscient thing raises an interesting question. I also think it's interesting that Locke's immediate instinct was that they had to go to Jacob's cabin. Which is where Christian Shephard (also walking dead?) was chilling out last week.

Liz: Wait -- time out -- were they heading to Jacob's cabin? Because when Hurley points out that it's "back that way" Locke gives him the hairy eyeball and Ben perks up.

Jen: Yes, remember Locke said that he wanted to go to Jacob's and Hurley was like, "Wrong way, dude." I wasn't sure if Locke was mad at Hurley for saying that or just thought he was nuts.

Liz: Locke seemed to be indicating, to me, that it was a different cabin or he was annoyed that Hurley clued Ben into the fact that the cabin was capable of moving around the island (much like the bad guy's castle in the fabulously cheesy '80s fantasy flick "Krull").

What about Matthew Abaddon and his island rescue team? In the flashback, he tells Naomi the team won't find anyone on the island because there are no survivors of Oceanic 815. Now, considering that Oceanic 815 was found in the water off the coast of Bali, why would Naomi think there would be survivors on an as-yet-unlocated island? And why send a physicist, a psychic, an anthropologist and a pilot with ties to Oceanic 815 if the real aim is to capture Ben Linus?

Oh, and care to share the findings from your call to the Oceanic 815 hotline that flashed on the screen last night?

Jen: I don't trust that Abaddon was telling Naomi the truth. I think he knows there might be survivors and is trying to convince her otherwise. I also think that capturing Ben is only part of the goal. Clearly there is an interest in doing research on the environment there. I think Abaddon needed to find people who were crazy enough, for personal reasons, to make the journey. Much like -- possible connection? -- Richard was able to push Juliet's buttons enough to make her go.

Liz: This may be a good time to talk about all of the different and, we assume, separate entities trying to find this island:

We've got Penny -- Desmond's girlfriend.
Thomas Mittelwerk -- Rogue Hanso employee.
Matthew Abaddon -- We don't know his affiliation yet.
Mitellos Bioscience -- aka, Richard Alpert and the crew that recruited Juliet for island duty.

Jen: Now, re: the hotline. I actually just called again, a follow-up call to last night's. And I get the same message: A basic recording from Oceanic saying that they are still investigating flight 815, they are sorry for the families' loss and updates come during the daily briefing for families of the victims. This is the same hotline that came into play during the find815 game. That game was a big part of the episode since Sam's boat was the one that found the wreckage in the very beginning.

Liz: Another question raised on last night's show: Ben says he knows so much about the boaties because he has an inside man on the freighter. Any speculation as to who that might be?

Jen: Interesting thing about that: In his preview of last night's episode on EW.com, Jeff Jensen said we should remember Annie, Ben's childhood friend. I know he referred to his mole specifically as a man, but could it be Annie?

Liz: According to Lostpedia, we don't know Annie's status. She could have died in the purge, or not. I will also say that next week's ABC press release does not list any character named "Annie."

Jen: Yeah. Not sure what Doc meant on that one. Last night's show -- via the photograph -- strongly implied that Ben left the island at some point. Otherwise, how would the four rescuers have his picture?

The important thing is that he was clearly an adult, so that pic would have been taken well after he moved to the island. I expect we'll return to that little issue in the near future.

Liz: I hate to broach this, but there is the whole theory about the island being a parallel, concurrent world. Could the photo be of a Ben doppelganger in another dimension?

Jen: Hmmm. I want to mention another "Star Wars" connection: As part of all the geographic hippity-hopping last night, we stopped at one point in Medenine, Tunisia where Charlotte discovered a polar bear and, apparently, his collar from the Dharma hydra station.

Liz: Right -- that was another mind-blowing moment. And, again, Charlotte seemed very interested in the fate of the supposedly located wreckage of Oceanic 815.

Jen: Well, Medenine is where Annakin lived in "The Phantom Menace," I believe. And Tunisia is where the first "Star Wars" was filmed. It doubled for Tatooine, home of Luke Skywalker. Are they trying to tell us that this is where the Dharma experiments began? Or is it just another shout-out to George Lucas?

I could not read the date on Charlotte's newspaper. But one of the French headlines says something about brain washing.

Here is another tidbit, which may be apropos of nothing. This site suggests that the pics of the boy in the grandmother's house (you know, the place where Miles tries to vacuum away a ghost) resemble a young Eko. It doesn't make sense that the boy would be Eko. But I wonder if he is a relation? The fact that Miles found cash and what appeared to be an illegal substance is not out of synch with Eko's shady past.

Liz: No, though it'd be quite a stretch to tie in a possible drug-dealing teen in the U.S. with Eko's African drug trade.

Jen: Yeah, as far as we know Eko and his brother never lived in America. It was an interesting observation, though.

Liz: So, last night, were the off-island scenes flashbacks, flash-forwards or a parallel world? Or, a combination of all of the above. I'm leaning toward that last explanation.

Jen: My feeling was that they were flashbacks from the present, that is the moment when the Losties are trying to escape. But they all occurred after the crash at some point. It seemed like the time frames were similar because new info about the discovery of the crash site seemed to be reaching them all around the same time.

And the writers made an effort to communicate that via TV, radio and newspaper reports.

Liz: Well, perhaps we'll get some clarification (yeah right!) next week. The episode, titled "The Economist," is described thusly by ABC: "Locke's hostage may be the key to getting off the island, so Sayid and Kate go in search of their fellow castaway in an attempt to negotiate a peaceful deal."

Jen: So Charlotte may be the key? Or Ben? He's got so many hostages, I can't keep up.

Liz: We shall see. Now let's see what the commenters have to add. What'd we miss?

By Liz Kelly  | February 8, 2008; 10:42 AM ET
 
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Charlotte: Her full name is Charlotte Staples Lewis - i.e., C. S. Lewis (who was, in fact, Clive Staples Lewis). This could be another clue to an alternative, simultaneously existing universe with its own time structure outside of ours.

Posted by: John | February 8, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

great analysis! Someone on TWOP pointed out that Ben gives Charlott's full name as "Charlotte Staples Lewis"....CS Lewis! Narnia, religious overtones, etc etc!

Posted by: arlington | February 8, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Just wanted to give some appreciation for the CS Lewis reference last night: the character Charlotte Staples Lewis, instead of Clive Staples Lewis. Got a kick out of that one.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me, but has the front of the plane traveled from the jungle to the water between the 1st season to last season? I seem to recall Jack, Kate and Charlie going to the check on the pilot for the receiver and a monster killed the pilot in the island and not in the water. Am I missing something?

Posted by: Lostie | February 8, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Hands down my favorite line in 4 years.

Posted by: What is the Smoke Monster? | February 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible that the plane found in the water was planted by Oceanic? As Mr. Abaddon clearly told Naomi that there were no survivors from the Oceanic 815.

Posted by: EP | February 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I will admit upfront that I'd had a couple of drinks at happy hour before going home to watch the show, but I could swear in one of those scenes, Locke's eyes were brown, not blue. Did anyone else see this or was I more impaired than I thought??

Posted by: Different Liz | February 8, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Ben's contact on the boat... Michael perhaps??

Posted by: DC | February 8, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Here's a question. Would anyone care to take a guess as to how long the discovered body of 815's pilot had been underwater at the time of discovery? That would give some clue as to flashback/flash forward.

Posted by: John | February 8, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

An interesting point that was not brought up: it appears Naomi was sent on to the island under the belief that no Oceanic survivors would actually be there.

However, the crew which she was put in charge of, knows all about them and must have expected to find them. They have memorized the passenger manifest, and show no surprise that the whole world thinks the flight crashed under water.

One other point: what about Penny? Does Desmond get off the island? If he didn't, wouldn't Penny be pushing the 6 survivors on whatever story they told people about the island? She clearly knows something about it, and talked to Charlie over the radio. The survivors would have to have a story that jibed with what she knows, unless Desmond made it back and hushed her up about the island. And on the subject, what story would the world possibly buy anyway, if they've all seen footage of the underwater wreckage?

Can't wait to see the answers to these questions.

also, btw re: Jin, Desmond, Sun, Rose, Bernard, I believe they are waiting on the beach with the others who went with jack and kate.

Posted by: dan | February 8, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Walt's being on the boat would explain why he knows the freighties are bad and warns Locke.

Posted by: MSCS | February 8, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I think the whole underwater plane is part of a cover-up. I don't know if it's Oceanic, Dharma, Hanso, or "someone else." I think Ben's "man on the boat" is Michael. My first thought with the drugs & money wasn't an Eko connection but a Charlie connection. The drugs in the baggie looked similar to the drugs Charlie had on the plane. I'm glad someone else hasn't forgotten that we want answers, but I'd rather have the actual answers than someone else asking my questions. My wife & I re-watched the 2-part pilot earlier this week and were very frustrated realizing we *STILL* don't have some very basic answers from the early, early beginning. I realize we'll probably never get *all* the answers (Cuse & Lindelof have said as much), but at least answer, say, 75% of them before asking 50 new questions.

Posted by: fft5305 | February 8, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't Faraday say "I am here to rescue you" similar to Luke introducing himself to Princess Leia?

Posted by: Another Star Wars | February 8, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I think that only the pilot memorized the passenger manifest, and it would make sense that he obsessed over the crash if he was supposed to be the one flying the plane.

Posted by: DC | February 8, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Oh, re: Jin, Desmond, Sun, Rose, Bernard. They made their various choices. Rose stated she wouldn't go anywhere with Locke, so she's probably on the beach. Assuming they were going to be rescued and knowing she doesn't want to leave, she & Bernard would just stay with the beachies, say their goodbyes, then watch them leave. Jin & Sun and Desmond were probably just helping pack up or getting something to eat. Every person doesn't need to be in every shot. Then again, as I said to wifey last night, I take nothing on this show at face value.

Posted by: fft5305 | February 8, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Just want to say quickly that I never have minded the Lost analysis etc even though i don't follow the show - but does this mean an end to Friday Lists and other fluffy things that are important on Fridays?

Posted by: sjcpeach | February 8, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I had two questions from last night:

1.) Harold Perrineau was listed as a cast member during opening credits. I got really excited that we'd see Michael during this epsiode...does this mean we'll see him sometime this season?
2.) The pilot Jack and Kate found in the cockpit in the 1st episode was clearly not the guy they showed on the news last night. I'm now definately buying the theory that someone planted that plane at the bottom of the ocean...

Posted by: dupontels | February 8, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I think Charlotte Lewis, the anthropologist, might be there to study the people who left behind the four toed statue.
She knows something about the former inhabitants.

Posted by: MSCS | February 8, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Another Locke as Jesus thought--Sawyer had a very "Doubting Thomas"-like moment when he wouldn't believe Locke was shot until Locke/Jesus showed him the actual wounds. Of course, in the Bible, this scene took place after Jesus had been resurrected. Which could be more fodder for the theory that Locke is dead, or was dead. And perhaps this will now make Sawyer more of a believer...

Posted by: RC | February 8, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Are the newcomers (the freighter four) there on a revenge mission from Dharma? After all, Ben killed all (?) their people in the purge.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

i don't know about the religious overtones, CS Lewis stuff. I mean, Lost is as much "mystery novel" as it is science-ficiton, fantasy and drama. so, the reference to Lewis could be a red herring, which is ultimately the fun part of reading mystery novels and watching Lost in the first place. i think lost is much more connected to reality than the traditional sci-fi, parallel universe explanations. they're not going to cop out in a Dallas-dream-sequence sort of solution (which is what saying it's parallel universe does). the series will try to figure out a resolution to the "man of science vs. man of faith" dilemma which became the guiding force of the show at the beginning of season 2. there won't be an entirely logical, reality-based explantion for the mysteries of the series, but the explanations won't be entirely sci-fi, fantasy either (we'll find out that both Locke and Jack were wrong).

i think the wreackage in the water is a plant (by the Hanso Foundation, by Oceanic itself (which could be a front for some other company/organization))--that's why Frank Lupitas (sp?) pointed out that the footage of the pilot (would they really ever show something like that on the news?) could not really be the pilot.

i, for one, am enjoying following the clues, especially when they lead to dead ends. if there's a dead end, that means the series isn't over.

Posted by: steve | February 8, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Liz - Here's a possibility into Abbadon's comment regarding no survivors of 815 on the island. Both Frank and Farraday (maybe) were interested in looking for flight 815 and possible survivors. This was the hook to get them into the mission. So the comment was made to assure Naomi that the hook is just that, and not an actual possibility. Of course another possibility is that Abbadon is in part behind the staging of the fake crash, but he doesn't believe there are a major number of survivors. (yet - he may by the time he talked to Hurley)

*Speculation (as in this is my own thoughts and not based on any inside info) but of course if right, would be spoiler - so don't read if you aren't interest in bigger picture theories about the plotline*

OK here is my theory about the Oceanic 6 and what happens between island time and off the island time.... The new current four have separate motivations for trying to get to the island, so they aren't loyalists of Abbadon and what he represents. Abbadon does seem to have an interest in claiming/ reclaiming the island(Reclaiming in the sense that Dharma had recent control until the purge), and perhaps destroying anyone who could get in the way of that.

For reasons unknown now, the new 4 bond with the Losties/Others and inform them of what will happen (maybe not in that order). At some point, the Losties/Others learn a new way to cloak the island from detection. (As was the case before Charlie turned off the switch in the looking glass.)This cloaking is the only way for those left on the island to survive. The Oceanic Six (and perhaps some "natives" and maybe an incognito lostie or two) leave with Frank, but the rest stay behind (perhaps by choice or neccesity). The cloaking is resumed.

The Oceanic Six want to find a way to help the remaining islanders (the ones who haven't remainded by choice), but 1) they don't know where the island is, and 2) they don't know who to trust.

Posted by: SLK | February 8, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Richard and the other others...I wonder what they are doing. Their leader, Ben, is now Locke's pet on a leash. Some of them were blown up, run over and/or shot by the Losties. What are the rest doing? Busy with their book club?

Posted by: Xopher | February 8, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

it wouldn't surprise me if in the last episode of the show, we find out that all of this is just some strange, drug induced dream of someone in a mental institution -- Hurley. Howefver, I hope this is not the case.

Posted by: steve-o | February 8, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

One of those screencaps of the boy's room with the exorcism has a poster that appears to be a basketball schedule for the La Habra team. It appears to have the year 2004 on it. That suggests it was a flashback, not a fastforward (i.e., Miles did this before going to the island in late 2004). If the 2004 schedule was posted on the wall was current, then it would put the time of the flashback right before being recruited, and the news of the underwater discovery was a couple of months after the flight had crashed.

Of course it's possible the room hasn't been changed for several years and the news of the the crash discovery was actually years later.

Posted by: ah | February 8, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Did anybody notice what currency the money was that Miles took from the hidey hole in the house? It didn't look American....

Posted by: b | February 8, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I thought Ben's perking up when Hurley corrected Locke on the cabin's location was surprise that someone else (besides himself and Locke) could see the cabin.

I'm really starting to think that the theme is Earth-as-Purgatory, with the Island being some kind of gate between Purgatory, Heaven and Hell (Paradise Lost).

Posted by: Anon | February 8, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

i think they were still flash forwards. when frank was watching the news about the wreckage, his television went all wonky right before the line about the passangers all being dead. it's possible what we couldn't (purposefully) hear was something about "only the oceanic six have survived...all other passangers are dead". just a thought.

Posted by: dc | February 8, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Who is playing George Minkowski (the guy on the other end of the phone)? Is that Fischer Stevens?

And who is playing Vincent? That dog really didn't look the same, for some reason!

Posted by: Casting questions | February 8, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Abandon

Abaddon

Seems a little odd that these two words are so close and sound so similar. Anyone else have a take on that?

Posted by: Mary | February 8, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

As for when the flashbacks take place, on the newscast in the beginning of the episode I swear I heard them say that the plane had been missing for two months. Since the time for the castaways is I think around 90-100 days, that would put Daniel's breakfast scene about 4-5 weeks before he lands on the island.

Posted by: Adam | February 8, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Early on, Sawyer refers to Locke as "Colonel Kurtz." This is a reference to Marlon Brando's character in "Apocalypse Now" which was a riff on the Kurtz character in Conrad's "Heart of Darkness." Basically, a crazy guy in the jungle. Any meaning beyond that?

Posted by: Doobrah | February 8, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Excellent ep!

I think there's more to the exchange between Locke and Hurley re the cabin. Locke shoots Hurley a look of anger and disbelief that initially conveys he thinks Hurley can't possibly know about Jacob's cabin and if he does, he's a threat to Locke. Hurley plays dumb by saying it's another cabin, realizing he's in danger if he tells the truth. Can't believe Locke buys this, but he lets it drop.

Agree that Lapidus would be the only one of the rescue team to know the Oceanic 815 manifest. I think the other boat people believed only the Others were on the Island and learned of the Losties through contact with them via Naomi's satellite phone.

Ben's man on the freighter could most def be Michael. All signs point in this direction.

Still not convinced of the parallel universe/time fracture theory. Was swayed by the first scenes of the submerged plane, but Lapidus exposes it as a hoax. Looks to me there's still only one real Oceanic 815.

Posted by: Not Shlomo | February 8, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Re: Abbadon and Naomi's discussion of there being no survivors. I interpreted this as meaning they both knew there COULD be survivors, but he was emphasizing to her that no one must find out OR that they must all die, leaving no survivors.

Posted by: pq | February 8, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

There is a place in Tunisia called Tatahouine. I remember seeing it at the very end of the X-Files movie (1998). Tatahouine = Tatooine? Just sayin'.

Posted by: Jaradel | February 8, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

First off, 43 minutes is not nearly long enough. The show needs to be twice that long!

Re: The pilot on the sea-cam not matching the pilot killed by the smoke monster - weren't there two guys in the cockpit when they first went in? It makes sense that the one with the missing wedding ring would be the other one...

Posted by: Carrie | February 8, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

As a diehard fan, I was frankly disappointed in this episode. It was all just an extended setup to introduce four new (and obnoxious) characters, none of whom I want to see hogging screen time at the expense of the ones we've come to know and love. Compared to last week, the plot moved forward at a snail's pace. Come on -- there's only six more episodes in the can!

As for the C.S. Lewis references, I know that the show's creators have said that this is not purgatory, but C.S. Lewis, in addition to the Narnia series, wrote several serious books exploring the nature of purgatory and heaven. In particular, the setting of "The Great Divorce" bears an uncanny resemblance to our island. Now that we know that at least some of the dead people in Lost still have a physical presence in the real world (Jack's dad and Charlie in particular), the purgatory theory is rearing its ugly head again...

Posted by: Steve | February 8, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else think it suspicious how pristine the helicopter looked? Lapidus, the pilot, looked all tore up from the landing, but the chopper looks like it just went through a car wash. Something's fishy there.

Posted by: Not Shlomo | February 8, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the Oceanic flight 815 wreckage is a manufactured "duplicate" and one of the later scenes with the toy plane sinking through the aquarium water is intended to be a wink to the audience to alert us to that.

On a different topic, after Jack & all went to such trouble to get the phones & guns from the new arrivals I was quite disappointed when he gave the phone back to Miles, who is clearly the most adversarial of the newbies. Since he already knew that these people speak in codes, why would he trust Miles, of the 3, to talk to the freighter, especially since Miles didn't tell him anything after giving him the phone.

As to the "ghost" in the house that Miles visits in the flashback, I wonder if he might have been a victim of a shooting by Anna Lucia, somehow tying back in to her, as in the last episode her police partner was present.

Posted by: Lindytx | February 8, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

remember how ben said if you thought about it you could bring anything you want to the island? maybe it works in reverse too. it seems that polar bear was definitely at the hydra station. the question is why did it leave? can the others leave in this manner too?

Posted by: Keith | February 8, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I was trying to figure out who the Oceanic Six would be last week, when it dawned on me that the only ones we know of so far for sure are Jack and Hurley. Kate is/was a fugitive, and murder charges just don't get forgotten, yet she was living on the outside of the pokey. So, maybe she left the island by some other means...

What I am driving at is that perhaps the Losties/Others/Boaties ultimately arrive at some sort of detente and six people who want to return to their previous lives agree to fabricate a story of survival to cover for those who remain. Clue 1: The cop who knew Ana Lucia had no inkling that people survived on an island. And sledgehammer clue 2: Hurley asked Jack if he was visiting him to see if he (Hurley ) was going to talk.

If this is the case, then I doubt Kate would have left the island with the Six, since, as people mentioned last week, someone would have identified her.

Posted by: LostieLostie | February 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Unlike Steve, I'm thrilled with the new, quirky characters and the pace this season is moving at. The story lines seem to be converging and locking in toward resolution. I'm thinking at this rate, this arc with the freighters and the Jack and Locke camps will be wrapped up well before the series ends in 2010. That means there are still major elements and complexities to Lost that have yet to be revealed. I think the story will go beyond the Oceanic 6 and move us into other realms before the series ends.

Posted by: Brandybuck | February 8, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Ben's "spy" on the boat is almost certainly Michael. Hence, Harold being listed in the credits and predicted reappearance during the season. One of the island's power seems to be dupliacting things like in the Orchid station video. That's what we've been seeing with the polar bear in the desert and with Christian and Walt. I wish you had done more analysis of Miles and his unique "gift" ...

Posted by: JR | February 8, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"maybe it works in reverse too. it seems that polar bear was definitely at the hydra station. the question is why did it leave? can the others leave in this manner too?"

Keith, that would fit into the whole "Wizard of Oz" theme nicely. The power to leave the Island was in their possession all along. Just click your heels together!

Posted by: Not Shlomo | February 8, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I figure Charlotte is meant to get us thinking about CS Lewis and doors between worlds. I also think we saw all flashbacks on last night's episode, for the reason stated above that the fake wreckage was found two months after the crash and the current island time is three months after the crash. So what if the island is in some sense a door between two worlds, or even two timelines? That got me wondering is perhaps our four intrepid freighters are actually from another timeline and trying to find their way back, thus their interest in the island, the crash, time traveling polar bears, etc. In one reality (where the freighters have been trapped), flight 815 crashes with no survivors. In another, where the freighters and our Losties come from, the plane crashes on the island. Ben and the Others could also be from some other timeline (perhaps explaining why Richard ALbert never ages). Not sure how Abbadon fits into this, or why he wants Ben.

Posted by: eprice29 | February 8, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we can necessarily exclude Kate from the Oceanic 6 - there's a chance whatever charges against her were either dropped, or she was found guilty with no actual punishment, because of what she'd gone through on the island.

Posted by: NYCGal | February 8, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Two more things....

I'm not sure why everyone is convinced that Jack's father's body is on the island. Remember Jack pleading with the Oceanic Airline staffer to let him take his father home. We never find out how this is resolved.

Then when he finds the coffin by the cave, it looks pretty intact. In fact, when Jack opens it, its hard to tell what Jack's reaction means. Is he relieved to find it empty because his father's body is in Australia still, and he knows he was experiencing delusions when he thought he saw his pop?

And secondly, Terry O'Quinn is really channeling Marlon Brando's physical performance in Apocolypse Now. There are moments on screen where O'Quinn's facial expressions are dead ringers for Brando. Then, of course, as I am thinking this for about the tenth time (its always durinng those outside raining scenes where Locke looks to the heavens), Sawyer drops the Colonel Kurtz reference... Cuse and Lindeloff definitely need to get out of my head :)

Was the reference just a cute acknowledgment of the similarity, or was it a blunt way to suggest we all read Heart of Darkness?

Posted by: LostieLostie | February 8, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"The series will try to figure out a resolution to the "man of science vs. man of faith" dilemma which became the guiding force of the show at the beginning of season 2."

That's from Steve, above, though he dismissed the C.S. Lewis angle. But while many folks know Lewis from the Narnia books, he wrote a sci-fi trilogy that revolved entirely around the faith-vs.-science question. I'm going to reread them and see if there are any other clues that could be applied to "Lost."

Posted by: Carter | February 8, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Pardon me if I'm asking a dumb question; I may have missed something somewhere along the way. But do we know who *all* the Oceanic Six are? I'm only aware of Jake, Kate and Hurley. Who are the other three? Did I miss seeing them?

Do we know why these three aren't telling the world "the truth" about what happened on the island?

When Kate met Jack at the airport, she said she had to get back to "him." Does this mean Sawyer? (Making him therefore the fourth O-6er?)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | February 8, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for another great analysis. I think the funniest line was Jack's: "I don't know, Miles, how stupid are you?". James' (is no-one going to call him Sawyer anymore?) referring to Ben as Yoda was a close second. It's good to see him back to his snarky self (a little darker perhaps). I think that Locke's look registered more shock that Hurley knew anything about "Hurly's Moving Cabin", as did Ben's look. I hate to sound silly but does Hurly have a kind of "power" too? Meanwhile, the Others are at "The Temple", when do we go there? A parallel universe?

Posted by: dckit | February 8, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

They are going to need one heck of an explanation for Kate as one of the Oceanic 6, given her trouble with the law. But who knows.

One thing for sure, whoever is in the coffin is not one of the Oceanic 6. They're famous. A reporter or a photographer would have gone to the funeral if it was one of the Oceanic 6. But no one showed up.

I think Michael as Ben's man on the Freighter makes sense. I think he's in the coffin, too, based on the funeral notice in the newspaper and a few other clues.

I think an important reveal in the episode is that the Losties are not dead, as some had speculated, and this is not some sort of purgatory. The fake Oceanic 815 and the pilot with no wedding ring seems to put that theory to rest.

Posted by: Cliff | February 8, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Minor point...but Naomi did arrive on the island with a picture of Penny & Desmond in a book and she lied about it being "Penny's Boat," so Naomi and Abaddon clearly know before their "covert op" that Desmond is there. How? And why doesnt Jack's team or Locke's team confront them about this lie?

Posted by: Bilbo B. | February 8, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Just thinking aloud, but perhaps Abaddon's intention in repeating the line "there are no survivors of flight 815" was a not-so-subtle communication to Naomi--who is clearly a highly trained mercenary of some sort--that she is to execute the flight's survivors or otherwise see to their elimination?

The writers clearly want Abaddon to be perceived as sinister, and perhaps the objectives of Naomi's mission are to 1. locate the island; and 2. eliminate the survivors. Maybe she's a "cleaner" like Jean Reno's character in La Femme Nikita, sent to "clean up" (read: kill anyone involved in) botched covert ops?

Of course, this raises the question of what Abaddon, or any other external player in the series, has to gain in staging a sunken Oceanic Flight 815 to convince the world the passengers are all dead. Maybe exclusive rights to the island? Maybe to prevent the world from finding out about the island?

If the flight's survivors were to be rescued, how could they explain where they have been for three-plus months without also describing the island and what happened there? How would their rescue explain the sunken plane? I'm guessing the big external players have a strong interest in preventing the world from finding out about that place.

For what it's worth, I happen to think that is precisely what has happened with the sunken plane; that is, it is a staged scene for the "research vessel" to conveniently find in order to allow some interested party (Abaddon, alone or as an agent of another group, perhaps?) to go on and search for the island without external attention? Remember, the writers love "The Watchmen," and elaborate tricks designed to fool the world into believing something--whether for its own good or not--played a big part of that story. . . Sorry if that's a spoiler for someone.

Maybe the "Oceanic Six" had to sell out their fellow passengers to get off the island, and the guilt over making such a selfish decision is what is plaguing Hurley and Jack in the "flash forwards." Charley is haunting Hurley to go back to the island--maybe to rescue the survivors or tell the world their story. Note that Kate, the criminal, showed no outward signs of remorse.

Figuring out Abaddon is key to understanding the competing forces/interests seeking to control the island. He is the "signal" from the writers that they are moving to answer some of the major questions out there surrounding the story before the show ends.

Sorry for the lengthy post . . . Your beloved Uncle, Screwtape.

Posted by: Screwtape | February 8, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"But do we know who *all* the Oceanic Six are? I'm only aware of Jake, Kate and Hurley. Who are the other three? Did I miss seeing them?"

No, that's all we know. We know Jack and Hurley are two of the Oceanic 6. They haven't said so explicitly as to Kate, but she is back, so either she is one of the Oceanic 6 and they have some explanation for the charges cleared against her, or she is not one of the Oceanic 6 and she came back secretly.

"Do we know why these three aren't telling the world "the truth" about what happened on the island?"

No. Probably some sort of bargain though in exchange for their return, or perhaps a promise to those who wanted to stay. Unclear.

"When Kate met Jack at the airport, she said she had to get back to "him." Does this mean Sawyer? (Making him therefore the fourth O-6er?)"

Maybe. We don't know yet. That's one of the big unanswered questions.

Posted by: Cliff | February 8, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

From eprice29:

"Alright, I figure Charlotte is meant to get us thinking about CS Lewis and doors between worlds....So what if the island is in some sense a door between two worlds, or even two timelines?"

Although I know others have discussed this in other fora, this brings me back to the mythology in Stephen King's Dark Tower series and other related novels of his, like The Talisman.

In King's novels characters have "twinners" who exist in the other worlds and who are similar to them, but not the same. Some people are capable of moving between the two worlds and even, on occasion, have observed their twinners in action.

And, of course, in at least one epiosode of Lost a character (Juliette) was holding a Stephen King book.

Posted by: Bud Omsman | February 8, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Are you two really questioning the realism of someone surviving a bullet when this same character already was able to miraculously walk again after a plane crash? Whatever happened to the island's healing properties?

I think Locke's explanation can be taken at face value. Not having a kidney kept the bullet from shutting his system down, and while he might have lost a lot of blood, the island healed him up good. Infection? John Locke laughs at your petty little worries of gangrene.

Locke is alive and well, but I think you're right about him not being part of the Oceanic 6.

Posted by: Shawn | February 8, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Could Charlotte possibly be Ben's insider? I mean why was she wearing a bullet proof vest? By Ben "apparently" trying to kill her it would absolve her of all suspicion of being associated with Ben.

I read on EW that they felt Charlotte had been to the island previously. Could she possibly be Annie?

Posted by: Clan | February 8, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Cliff. In other words, I didn't miss anything -- I'm just as clueless as the rest of you.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | February 8, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Re: Jen's final comment about Charlotte being the key:

In the first National Treasure movie, Charlotte is a ship. Throughout the movie, characters say "the secret lies with Charlotte." Just saying...

Posted by: Chicago Terp | February 8, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I just had a brainstorm: what if the someone Kate had to get back to is Abbadon or someone like him: someone the Six had to make a deal with in order to get off the island? In that case, perhaps Kate isn't one of the six because the "Rescuer" wants to keep her--she's essentially the sacrifice that allows the others to be free. This would explain why she wouldn't want to take Jack's call (not supposed to be in contact with him?) and why she was anxious to get back to "him" (to avoid detection for breaking the rules).

Posted by: pq | February 8, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Question: what is Miles' connection to Oceanic 815? For the other 3, we see in the flashbacks either an unexplained emotional response to the discovery (Faraday), an obsession with the discovery (Lewis), or actual connection/knowledge of the flight (Pilot). I don't recall the crash coming up during the Miles flashback... did I miss it?

Posted by: mango | February 8, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

:::I hate to sound silly but does Hurly have a kind of "power" too?:::

I don't think that sounds silly... I think it sounds very probable! In fact, my husband and I rewatched all of Season Three before last's weeks season premier and I can't remember exactly why but we started talking about whether anyone else might be able to see Jacob besides Ben and Locke. I said, for some reason, I felt Hurley would be the most likely to be able to see him, too. And sure enough, who stumbles upon the cabin? I think that Hurley is highly sensitive to the unexplained, given his past with the mental stuff (though I never felt like Hurley is actually crazy... I think that he feels safer in the institution, because the "crazy person" label sort of shields him from all the weird, unexplainable and unbelievable things that keep happening to him). So I was not surprised that Hurley could see the cabin.
Re: the looks from Ben and Locke when Hurley points out they are headed the wrong way to get to the cabin. I agree with the others who think that both Locke and Ben are shocked that someone else can see the cabin and therefore, probably be able to communicate with Jacob, and they both feel threatened.

Posted by: apfromal | February 8, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

At the end of last night's episode, they said that another member of the Oceanic 6 would be revealed next week. That would bring the known members of the group to 4.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Just another thought on the Stephen King angle--the character of Daniel Farraday used to be named "Russel Farraday" (in old scripts, I guess?). Russel Farraday is the alias taken on by Randal Flagg at the end of The Stand. Could be intentional, could just be b/c JJ Abrams is going to be taking on the Dark Tower series. But, if anyone reads, SK, you would know that everything's connected (or...eventual)

Posted by: KT | February 8, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't there a theory a while back that the Island would treat people differently if they had killed somebody before? I wonder if you can only see the cabin if you've killed. That's why Ben couldn't take Locke there until his father was dead (although his experience may be messed up because he didn't do the killing himself). Anyway, Locke would be stunned if Hurley can see the cabin because he doesn't know Hurley drove over those guys with the bus.

Posted by: Plays in Traffic | February 8, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon and Cliff-

On some other blogs people have been claiming that next week's preview actually reveals another one of the 6 ... someone posted that if you pay attention to Kate you can tell. I went back and watched the preview but don't have a clue! Just putting it out there.

Posted by: eprice29 | February 8, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Indiana Jane? The whole Tunesia trip conjured up more of Indiana Jones (another Lucas shout-out, true) than Star Wars. And Charlotte is certainly acting as a fine anthropological counterpoint to Indiana Jones's archeologist.

Posted by: John | February 8, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone commented on how Ben might be a good guy and how he might end up being one of the six? Would seem appropriate being that he continues to get beat up in every episode. Maybe he is looking out for everyone's best interest in the end. Maybe he is in the coffin?

Posted by: rowkod | February 8, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

One other random thought about the Oceanic 6. In last week's episode when Jack is drunk at the hospital, he challenges the chief of surgery to "go get my father and if I'm drunker than he is you can fire me" or words to that effect. Does that mean that Christian somehow has reappeared, perhaps as one of the 6?

Posted by: Bill | February 8, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Coloniel Kurtz didn't just go crazy in the Jungle but also thought of himself as a God and convinced others to worship him and carry out his commands. Sound familiar?

Posted by: Brando | February 8, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

A few thoughts:

-Michael might be the mole on the freighter, after all Ben told him to head his boat in a certain direction and he would be rescued. That would put Walt on the boat too, which would explain both Ben and Locke knowing the freighter means them no good.

-I'm very sure Charlotte is Annie and a possible other mole on the freighter. She was the only one who seemed happy to be on the island, and the only one prepared (bulletproof vest). She was also actively investigating Dharma while the other three were just living seemingly normal lives.

-The money Miles found behind the dresser did not look American. The drugs and the polar bear in Africa points toward some sort of connection with Eko, who could also see dead people. Miles and Eko are connected.

-If a twin engine plane could get half way around the world with Eko's brother and crash on the island, the polar bear could have made it to Africa.

-I'm bringing back my Bangui magnetic anomoly theory, which is a real place near Nigeria with a very large magnetic field. Eko's brother's plane would have flown near it. Its also on the opposite side of the earth from the supposed position of the island, making two unusual magnetic poles. The "numbers" point to this if they are used as a latitude/longitudinal measure.

-Best line from last night: Jack asking Miles "How stupid are you"?

-Hurley is crazy again when back in civilization. That might make him want to be back on the island.

-Overall feeling so far about this story: The island is real as the migrating birds of last season prove. The question is whether the rest of the world is real. I'm starting to wonder if there is some Matrix type thing going on where the island is projecting something, either making the reality you and I enjoy possible or is somehow forcing reality in directions it would otherwise go, dooming us all. Remember, the consistent message is that the island exists to save the world and extreme measures to protect that seem ok with those who know the secret. Also, MIles and Dan were impressed with the sunlight and sky, as through they were seeing the real thing for the first time.

Or not.

Posted by: Sully | February 8, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the writers will explain the appearance of a miraculously-grown Walt as a visit by the "future" Walt. He might already know the course of the future, and returns to the island to try and warn the Losties. Considering the time-traveling/continuum issue, and the fact that Walt seemed to develop special powers on the island, this could be a plausible explanation.

Posted by: LL | February 8, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

A little googling reveals that Abbadon or Abaddon (Hebrew אבדון Avaddon, means "destruction"). In Biblical poetry (Job 26:6; Proverbs 15:11), it comes to mean "place of destruction", or the realm of the dead, and is associated with Sheol. Abaddon is also one of the compartments of Gehenna.[1] By extension, it can mean an underworld abode of lost souls, or hell.

In Revelation 9:11, it is personified as Abaddon, "Angel of the Abyss",[1] rendered in Greek as Apollyon; and he is described as king of the locusts which rose at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. In like manner, in Rev. vi. 8, Hades is personified following after death to conquer the fourth part of the earth.

Abaddon is one of the infernal names used in LaVeyan Satanism, and is first in the list--only as it comes first alphabetically--and means "the destroyer." He is sometimes recognized as the anti-Christ.

This raises more questions than it answers, I'm afraid.

Posted by: scandibaby | February 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Love the comments guys. Lots of fodder that I didn't think about.

Jen--Anakin was actually also from Tatooine--but I thought it was cool that they found the polar bear in Tunisia! The Yoda comment made me smile too.

Nice analysis Liz and Jen! Loved the ep.

Posted by: Great Comments | February 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

In "Apocalypse Now," Martin Sheen was sent to assassinate Col. Kurtz; does this parallel the attempt to "get" Ben? Sheen was dispatched by Harrison Ford (more Indy Jones/Star Wars shout-outs?) and was a CIA agent. The girl Abbadon sent was an agent, not a "benign" anthropologist, rescuer, or whatever--pretty much an assassin, in other words, as was Sheen. Sheen's journey upriver began in company with a handful of people on a boat (cargo ship and then helicopter), who gradually get knocked off along the way. (Does the black guy in the chopper parallell the Lawrence Fishburne character?) Was Kurtz a CIA op (as well as Special Forces type) who went "rogue" as Ben may have gone "rogue"?

Re: Rowkod's question: Ben will *never* be a "good guy"; whatever else he is, he's a cold-blooded, ruthless mass murderer. Not even the "Lost" writers can reconcile that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | February 8, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

In addition to "Star Wars" I also felt this episode had a "Raiders of the Lost Ark" feel to it, as well. The location titles in the flashbacks and especially the Tunisian scenes.

And for the "Planet of the Apes" poster last week: I see and hear what you mean. The scene leading up to finding Miles--straight out of the film, soundtrack and all!

Posted by: Not Shlomo | February 8, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If Kate were presumed dead, her charges would have been dropped so when she returned to the US, she would have been free, due to the double jeopardy clause of the Constitution. It certainly seems like she is one of the Oceanic Six, from the flash forward in the first new episode.

Posted by: Rosslyn | February 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Lindytx: if there's a connection between the ghost that Miles spoke to and any of castaways - and don't you think there just might be??? - it'd probably be Ana Lucia. Cause of the southern Cal. connection, and the cops-and-criminals thing. I think the idea of any direct connection between the ghost kid and Mr. Eko is unlikely, but sure they could've been part of the same global drug distribution set-up. Actually, that'd be relating real-life economic globalization - albeit in its illicit form - to the connectedness the show's characters already have so much of; kind of neat.

Posted by: HJA | February 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with Shawn...are you forgetting about Locke's enhanced healing powers on the island? This explains why the bullet didn't kill him and thus he is not dead.

Also, I think Charlie coming back to tell Hurley that "they" need him is a clue that Claire and perhaps Aaron do not make it off the island. I know Desmond had a vision of them getting onto a helicopter, but perhaps they will get on one, but not actually be able to get off the island.
When you think about Charlie as a character, the only people he seems to REALLY care about are Claire, Aaron and Hurley. So I don't see Charlie coming back from the "Dead" or whatever he is to plead with Hurley to return for anyone other than those he cares the most about -- Claire and Aaron.

Posted by: Myzti | February 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

When Kate and Jack are at the airport, Jack talks about the "golden ticket" that "they" (Oceanic) gave us to fly anywhere. That makes me think that Kate is one of the 6. She has to be. I assume whatever deal they made, that resulted in her getting all charges dropped. Or the Federal Agent that was looking for her was rogue, or she is no longer wanted because she was declared dead....

Posted by: Liz | February 8, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Another Star Wars connection:

Had Abbadon is a world with six moons that is inhabited by humans named after the Jewish demon Abaddon.

During production for Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, Had Abbadon was the planned capital of the Galactic Empire and was to appear on-screen. However, the planet was removed, but its forest moon of Endor remained. The capital of the Galactic Empire became known as Coruscant.

Posted by: scandibaby | February 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I don't think the submerged plane is a plant. I think the producers and writers are into a divergent timeline idea, as per the Charlie jumps in the pool/Charlie doesn't jump in the pool idea, and the Flight 815 that was dicovered at the bottom of the ocean was another version of the castaways' plane, one that went down under different circumstances and which was piloted by the Jimmy Buffet-guy. In which case he was looking at his own submerged corpse on TV, and maybe that's why he had such a strong feeling that wasn't the guy the newscasters thought it was? Because I gotta admit, I had the same reservations about the wedding-ring clue as the guy on the other end of the phone.

Posted by: HJA | February 8, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Re: Locke's reaction to Hurley knowing about the cabin - I think he (Locke) was surprised, but also pleased and a little charmed. Locke likes Hugo, and isn't as jealous and petty a servant of the island as Ben, not by a long shot.

Posted by: HJA | February 8, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to the theory that Rousseau was Annie, which would explain Ben's continued declaration of Alex being his daughter (and showing great affinity towards her at times, and this is a man who is callous enough to watch his father die, even if his father was a jerk)? There has to be a deeper connection between Rousseau and Ben, obviously. She said she was pregnant when she landed on the island... how did Alex come to be considered Ben's kid? All the rest of the children seemed to go into just being part of the group...

Posted by: Holly | February 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

regarding Desmond's vision of claire and aaron making it off the island if charlie died: does anyone else find it strange that we never actually saw this vision, when all Des's other visions were shown to us? I wonder whether he really DID see Claire and Aaron getting rescued, or whether there was another outcome he saw and wanted that depended on Charlie's death.

Posted by: pq | February 8, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone so into the assumption that Michael is the one on the ship? Why in the world would Michael help Ben? Last we knew, didn't he already get what he wanted (as in the boat to get him off the island)? What am I missing here?

Personally I think Ben's mole is Mikhail Bakunin AKA "Patchy" for multiple reasons. 1. He has already died (?) and come back to life more than once. Remember the electric fence? And the spear gun to the heart? I am sure a little hand grenade wouldn't slow him down.
2. He is already in the ocean and probably has a boat.
3. He was the one who gathered all the info on the losties for Ben when they first crashed.

All in all, I LOVE this show!

Posted by: Osteph | February 8, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The above comment about Michael possibly being in the coffin got me thinking. When Jack pulled up outside the wake it seemed to be in an african-american section of town. Another thing, Michael left the island some time ago and all of the news outlets are reporting no survivors. Has Michael not reached civilization or even a ship with a radio yet? Was Michael's boat intercepted by the freighter, which Ben alerted? Why would Michael want to help Ben after being forced to murder two people just to get off the island?

Posted by: Charlie | February 8, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the Miles/Ana Lucia connection is that Miles ups the ghost busting price because he learned the woman's grandson was MURDERED, not shot by a cop. That said, I agree there has to be some prior connection for Miles with the Island, as it is with the rest of the rescue team.

Posted by: Brandybuck | February 8, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Holly,
Good point. I asked the wife last night why at the end of season 3 Rousseau gets all offended when Ben says that "Alex is my daughter", yet when he says last night "Alex don't you want to see your daddy die (or something like that" nobody batted an eyelash?

Posted by: Da Plane Da Plane | February 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

" ... the man hasn't even bothered to paste a Band-Aid over the wound. How gauze."

Posted by: geoffie | February 8, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

From above
"-Michael might be the mole on the freighter, after all Ben told him to head his boat in a certain direction and he would be rescued. That would put Walt on the boat too, which would explain both Ben and Locke knowing the freighter means them no good."

But if Ben knew that Michael and Walt would be rescued by the freighter, then he had to have had "a man on the boat" already.

Posted by: gigi | February 8, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

in response to Curmudgeon:
I still think its possible that Ben is trying to protect the people on the island. If Abaddon is a demon trying to get to the island and its possible that he is part of Dharma, wouldn't it also be possible that Ben killed all the Dharma people because he knew that they were up to no good. The island protects its inhabitants, but if the Dharma people were to be able to get back on the island... That's why Ben shot Charlotte last night, he was trying to protect the island from Dharma.

If you remember, Locke met the monster and was "spared", maybe the monster isn't bad, but a protector, that is why Locke seemed so enlightened after his experience with it. Isn't it entirely possible that the monster is the islands way of protecting itself and that is why the evil Dharma people had to put up the protective barrier.

Ben knows that if anyone gets off the island, Dharma can use them to find the island. I have no idea what Dharma wants with the island or why woman can't have babies... All I know is that it would make a powerful weapon if they can figure out how it works.

Posted by: rowkod | February 8, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if anyone raised this question in prior years...but I'm confused about the pregnancy/fertility problem on the island. Rouseeua was pregnant when she arrived, as was Claire, and both successfully delivered babies without a hint of problems. But wasn't there great concern about Sun also arriving pregnant? (Didn't they want to kidnap her to study her?) How was any of this different from the fertility problem Juliet Burke was brought to the island to work on?

Posted by: Curmudgeon | February 8, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Sun did not arrive on the island pregnant. As Juliet discovered, Sun became pregnant on the island.

Posted by: gigi | February 8, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Did I mishear this, or did Daniel Farraday's wife call him "Jim" when he got upset watching tv?

When did Hurley go from Hurley to Hugo? I know Hugo is his real name.

Is it possible that Kate is referring to a child that she has to get back to? I thought there was a chance she was pregnant.

At long last, my husband and son have started watching Lost, and they are just going with the flow & catching up as they can.

Posted by: m.a.t. | February 8, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Rosslyn... double jeopardy applies to being "tried" twice for the same crime. Kate was never tried. Charges can be dropped and reinstituted any number of times for the same crime. Being declared dead isn't the same as being found not guilty of a crime.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"If Kate were presumed dead, her charges would have been dropped so when she returned to the US, she would have been free, due to the double jeopardy clause of the Constitution."

Actually, double jeopardy only attaches once a jury has been impaneled and a judgment (e.g., not guilty) has been entered. Dropping the charges before a trial doesn't implicate the double jeopardy clause.

Enjoyed the comments, everyone. Can't wait for next week.


Posted by: K | February 8, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Miles is the son of the Hanso guy in the film and videotape the losties found in the hatches.

Posted by: doobrah | February 8, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

one short comment -

Charlotte pointedly asked Claire as to whether she gave birth on the island and was fascinated to learn she had. This seemed to indicate she knew about the difficulties of giving birth on the island. (But maybe it was just fasicnation about giving birth in a desolated place)

However if it is fascination about the difficulties of giving birth, there seems to be a problem in that this wasn't a primary dharma concern (which seems to be her informational quest) but an Others concern (hence the need to obtain Juliet). Seems to be a continuity disconnect in that case, but am I missing something?

Posted by: SLK | February 8, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

what was Kate's crime? Didn't she kill her mom's abusive boyfriend or something? Maybe her mother finally admitted Kate did it to defend her and the charges were dropped.

OR it IS a parallel dimension and Kate isn't "wanted", Jack's dad never died, Hurley never won the lottery...

Posted by: mango | February 8, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

RE: Kate's Criminal Ways

People, you need evidence to convict someone of a crime. Likely, the agent that had Kate on custody in the plane was carrying some or all of the evidence with him. This means it would have been destroyed in the plane crash. It is very possible that the DA lacked the political will and/or evidence to put her away. See: OJ Simpson.

Posted by: The Prosecution | February 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I saw Grindhouse's Zoe Bell listed as a guest star in the opening credits, but as far as I could tell, she wasn't in the ep. Did I miss something, or is this more credits mind games (like listing Harold Perrineau twice now with no Michael in sight)?

Posted by: happy waitanga day | February 8, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I think there were a combination of "flash forwards", "flash backs" and "present" scenes. When Daniel is crying at the TV news of the found sunken Oceanic flight - he has already been to the island and knows that something terrible (like there were really survivors - oh but we killed them all but 6 who escaped). The anthropologist/psychic/pilot could either be "present" time (a/k/a suddenly finding sunk plane) or flashback (to establish their professions). Either way - Abbadon's organization has staged the sunken plane with other cadavers. He tells Naomi there aren't any survivors - as a kind of code for "there will NOT be any survivors" - hence they take gas masks with them for the "fumigation operation". Thus his organization must be the one who did the first island "fumigation" when Ben escaped. They KNOW Ben escaped, and have come back for him to eliminate anyone who knows anything about the magical island. It is interesting that they psychic may "see" dead people - but we don't when we see him doing his thing [other than Naomi's actual corpse]. When we see "dead" people - we, like, Hurley, can't be sure they are "dead" or "hallucinations" or whatever. Locke may be a dead man walking - not sure. Ben's "man" on the freighter might be McPatchy - who is probably a Dead Man Walking and keeps popping up everywhere critical. Intersting that lightning brought the helicopter and its passengers down. The last big electromagnetic whatsit brought Oceanic 815 down. That's when people seem to pass through the dimensions or whatever they are doing to be magically transported to the Island. The fact that the sunken plane is found near Bali is interesting because "The New Atlantis", a utopian novel by Francis Bacon (which plot I find very similar to "Lost" is clearly set somewhere in the Pacific. Of course, the flight originated in Australia - so naturally it's near the Pacific/Indian Ocean - but . . . I really like the parallels with "The New Atlantis" - and that just might connect with the 4 toed statue!

Posted by: Jean | February 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

As "Lost" super fans, I think Jen and Liz might be interested in knowing about the latest craze on myspace.com. It's these two guys, musicians in New York who write and record songs that recap the latest episodes of "Lost". The genre has been dubbed "recap rock" by bloggers, and is for the extremest of the extreme "Lost" fans. Enjoy: www.myspace.com/previouslyonlostmusic

Posted by: Sara Curtin | February 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

My head hurts. But in a good way. I can't even begin to form theories anymore, just enjoy the ride. I'm hoping that if the WGA/AMPMP thing finishes up this week they extend production on this so we'll have a full season.

My husband lost the Lost faith last year in the doldrums of the first half of the season. If he watched it, it was more to hang out on the couch with me than anything else.

However, after last night's episode, he's rehooked. I just had to remind him that any epic tale has ups and downs, good parts and bad parts. I think we're ramping up for a good part....

Posted by: Chasmosaur | February 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the picture on the wall of the grandmother's house was indeed Echo as a boy. Echo could have been rescued from the rebel fighters by a missionary who may have been the grandmother's son or daughter. Echo was then adopted, and raised in America. That could explain how Echo was able to easily travel from London, Africa, and Australia as an adult. The only hole to this theory is that the grandson is dead. However, the picture on wall may not be the grandson but Echo who was a friend or adopted sibling of the grandson.

Posted by: Wild about Lost | February 8, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

One more quick thing - about who the newcomers are. When they found the downed helicopter - didn't someone say to Miles "Sorry about your SISTER" or "We'll come back for your SISTER" or some such thing? And doesn's Miles look Asian American (someone else suggested maybe he's the Hanso guy's son) - so then how is Naomi exactly his "sister" (since she doesn't look East Asian American)? Or were they both "island children" like Ben, Alex, etc. - who end up being raised by surrogates? Are the people who run Abbadon's organization former "victims" of the Dharma Initiative dedicated to bringing it - and all its remnants - down? But I don't think Charlotte could be Annie because the actress looks too young - much younger than Ben - and they were supposed to have been peers.

Posted by: Jean | February 8, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't the female translator who was with Charlotte in Tunisia Sayid's girlfriend?

Posted by: pam | February 8, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

'Did I mishear this, or did Daniel Farraday's wife call him "Jim" when he got upset watching tv?

When did Hurley go from Hurley to Hugo? I know Hugo is his real name.??


I thought I heard her call him Sam.

If I remember correctly Locke has been calling Hurley Hugo since Season 1. Keep in mind he's also been calling Sawyer James longer than anyone else.

Posted by: loving lost | February 8, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Good point about the ages of Ben and Charlotte. I think last season Ben was pegged at about 40 years old. Charlotte looks a 20-something. Ben and Annie should be the same age, which does point to Rousseau. Funny, anyone know Rousseau's first name?

But as I'm starting to think about this more something is bothering me. Naomi seems to have been hired by Abbadon but the other four seem to have contacted Oceanic about the crash. The helicopter pilot was sure the dead captain of the flight was not who they were saying it was. Dan for some reason was crying when he saw the plane underwater. Charlotte seems to know about Dharma, maybe through her archeological work. Miles I'm not sure about, maybe him finding African drug money, but I'm wondering if they were all put on the island to shut them up. That was my theory for how Desmond got there, Penny's father wanted Desmond out of the way. Who knows... but I love getting Lost!

Posted by: Sully | February 8, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

How about this? The island as the biblical Eden. Humans were banished and the Island hidden, but people have managed, through a mix of accident and technology to "find" it again. Obviously there would be various factions driving to harness its unique powers, preserve it's hidden nature, or destroy it as an unacceptable challenge to human free will.

Posted by: wastan | February 8, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the reason Locke's walking around with a bullet wound is the same reason he's WALKING around to begin with?

"I wasn't sure if Locke was mad at Hurley for saying that or just thought he was nuts."

He was trying to figure out how Hurley knew about the cabin at all. As far as Locke knew, he and Ben were the only ones there who'd been to the cabin. Then Hurley indicated he'd been there, and weakly tried to cover it up.

Posted by: Jim Treacher | February 8, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Did anybody else notice last night that whenever a prime answer was about to be given (especially by the "boaties") something comes up and distracts them.

i.e.: Dan is about to tell Jack and Kate his team's "primary objective" when the sat phone picks up another GPS signal (Miles) and at the end of the episode when they find out Julliette is not one of the Oceanic survivors, Miles says we're here for Ben Linus but then the sceene cuts back to Locke's camp before we find out why.

Damn this show is good!

Posted by: Da Plane Da Plane | February 8, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

rousseau's first name is danielle

Posted by: dc | February 8, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Wastan -

Of all the crackpot theories for the overarching explanation of 'Lost' (they're all dead, they're in a parallel universe, they're stuck in a time loop, etc., etc.), yours is the first one that seems actually plausible to me.

Posted by: barthexderosa | February 8, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Excellent episode. I kept using the DVR function to rewatch scenes throughout the entire show. Here are some of my thoughts on the episode: (1) Michael is the mole on the freightor -that explains his name on the credit plus the myriad of interviews indicating that he is returning to the show; (2) Charlotte is Annie - bulletproof vest; hunting for Dharma relics; familiarity with the island; lack of fear when falling into the pool of water after releasing herself from the tree (is this the same pool where Kate and Sawyer swam in the first season) because she'd swam there as a child?; (3) The pilot who was killed by the smoke monster in the show's pilot was actually the co-pilot; we don't know what happened to the pilot but he is presumably dead (the actor who played the co-pilot was a regular on Alias and is now on Heroes and he is a friend of JJ Abrams) (4) I thought the boys room at the Grandmother's house showed pictures of Walt. Remember, Walt's mom died and who knows what happened (or will happen)to Michael, his father. Walt is truly dead and Miles finally released his spirit. Can't wait for next week.

Posted by: Emcdoj | February 8, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Re: Kate being one of The 6:

Previous comment #1: "When Kate and Jack are at the airport, Jack talks about the "golden ticket" that "they" (Oceanic) gave us to fly anywhere. That makes me think that Kate is one of the 6. She has to be."

OK, let's assume Kate is *not* one of the 6. How would Jack describe the Golden Ticket? He would still say "that they gave us," with "us" meaning "the 6 people who were publically identified as the Oceanic 6." This does not automatically mean that he is including Kate in the word "us."

Previous comment #2:"People, you need evidence to convict someone of a crime. Likely, the agent that had Kate on custody in the plane was carrying some or all of the evidence with him. This means it would have been destroyed in the plane crash."

Uh, there is absolutely no way the federal marshal would be carrying evidence around with him. Any evidence would be locked up in a police evidence locker.

I'm not saying Kate *isn't* one of the 6. But we don't know for sure she is.

Posted by: Joe | February 8, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Great comments, everyone!
About Hurley, it seemed to me that both Locke and Ben were surprised to hear him even mention the cabin, yet Locke ended up with a little twinkle in his eye when Hurley obviously lied about what he meant.

And what do you all think about Hurley closing his eyes and saying "you're not there" to both Charlie and the cabin. Does that mean both are in his mind? Or does he have momentary glimpses into another reality?

And one more thing, didn't anyone notice that the Kate at the airport looked very different from Kate on the island? No freckles, for one thing. She had freckles in flashbacks, so where'd they go?

Locke was, of course, healed from the bullet wound by the island's powers. Duh.

Posted by: Terri | February 8, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Re: Charlotte being Annie, wasn't Annie roughly the same age as Ben? Does anybody really think Ben is 25 years old (Charlotte's birthday is mentioned as 1979, making her 25 in the show year of 2004)? Didn't Ben and his father show up on the island in the 70's.

Posted by: Joe | February 8, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

if the plane leaves from sydney bound for los angeles, how does it end up southwest of papua new guinea?

Posted by: matt | February 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I've been through enough of them to say definitively, Ben is standing next to an xray machine (at an airport security check?) in the picture. Hmmm.

Posted by: happy waitanga day | February 8, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

::And what do you all think about Hurley closing his eyes and saying "you're not there" to both Charlie and the cabin. Does that mean both are in his mind? Or does he have momentary glimpses into another reality?::

I think that is one of Hurley's coping mechanisms for dealing with the unexplained. He may have used that method at home or when he was originally in the mental institution for imaginary things so he thinks it will help when he's seeing things again. So when he does that to get rid of the cabin or Charlie and then reopens his eyes to find them gone, it makes him feel better. But I still think what he saw was real! Some say seeing is believing and Hurley does not want to believe what he CAN see so he imagines it away so he doesn't have to deal with it. It's easier to just go along with people thinking you are crazy than trying to prove you are not crazy, imho.


::And one more thing, didn't anyone notice that the Kate at the airport looked very different from Kate on the island? No freckles, for one thing. She had freckles in flashbacks, so where'd they go?::

Kate had on a LOT of makeup in the scene with Jack at the airport but didn't wear makeup on the island so I think that is why her freckles seemed to disappear. Also, lots of exposure to the sun can bring out the freckles so maybe she stays in the shade more once she returns to the real world?

Posted by: apfromal | February 8, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I think Nadia (Sayid's girlfriend) was the translator! Anyone got a pic to confirm?

Posted by: Mike | February 8, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the shout-out, Liz!

People here are suggesting that Michael is the man on the boat, but I don't see how that could be. The last time he saw Ben, Ben promised him he could escape with Walt. Since Michael is returning this season, that apparently didn't work out. So why would he still be working for Ben? He should be mightily pissed at him, especially if he's been separated from Walt again (which he would have to be if Malcolm David Kelley isn't returning). Ben no longer has anything to use against Michael, so why would he work for him?

Mike and others, the translator is definitely *not* Nadia.

Here's the translator:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-374.html

Here's Nadia:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Nadia

Posted by: moonwatcher13 | February 8, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

More questions, and comments, namely, thanks to Locke for asking Ben about the Smoke Monster, this is my favorite aspect of the show

If the Smoke Monster is a positive force, why did it batter Eko to death after not harming him the first time he looked into it?

Miles being related to the Hanso spokesman makes sense

We learned that there are actually two islands, what relationship does the other island have to the one where everyones gathered?

Rousseau is clearly the toughest of the islands occupants, she's survived the smoke monster on her own, without being part of either the Oceanic survivors or the Dharma occupants

Ben ain't no good guy, anyone who would chemically nuke a whole compound of people is hard to portray sympathetically

Agreed about the best line of last night's episode, "I don't know Miles, how stupid are you?"

Posted by: KingCranky | February 8, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I also liked Jack's line to Kate, after she asked why no one told her about the impending rescue by Sayid et al,"didn't you notice the eye thing" or "blink" or something to that effect. Nice wry sense of humor there.

Posted by: emcdoj | February 8, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Have been following the show and loving it, but am disappointed with all the recent gratuitous violence.

Knife in the back, shot in the chest -- these people are very violent, and unrealistically so, as far as I'm concerned.

It is causing my enthusiasm to wane. Does anyone else feel this way?

Posted by: Al in Cleveland | February 8, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Excellent question about how the plane supposedly ended up where it did. Sydney to Bali is a Northwesterly flight and Sydney to Los Angeles is a Northeasterly flight. It's at least 2,500 miles off course (similar to a flight from Miami to London being found off the coast of Seattle).

Posted by: Bud Omsman | February 8, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

During the newscast about the discovery of the wreck in the ocean, it was said to have been found in the Indian Ocean.

Posted by: Map | February 8, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"During the newscast about the discovery of the wreck in the ocean, it was said to have been found in the Indian Ocean. "

That's right -- it was shown in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Indonesia (near Bali).

To see just how far off course that is go to this website and enter a course from SYD-DPS-LAX (airport identifiers for Sydney, Bali and Los Angeles).


http://gc.kls2.com/

Posted by: Bud Omsman | February 8, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Before he was killed by the 'monster', the co-pilot of the airplane informed Kate and Jack that he had diverted course because they had problems with their radio. He estimated they were over 1000 miles off course when the plane went down.

Posted by: me | February 8, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Note the power shift towards Hurley; when Locke is telling Sawyer not to execute Ben, Sawyer and Hurley exchange a look and Hurley clearly nods to Sawyer, effectively saying let it go.

Posted by: geoffie | February 8, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

To see how far they might be off course see the distance calculator:

http://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm

Maybe O815 was one of those 'ghost flights' in which the plane suffers a loss of cabin pressure. Everyone is dead but the aircraft continues to fly. In the case of land vs water? ????

Posted by: H Tran | February 8, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

No new theories here, but LOVE the phrases caught in the screencap of Miles' room here: http://bp2.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R6wqJMBE6sI/AAAAAAAATbE/bm4neaFeFkk/s1600-h/4x02-cap-217.jpg
"Resurrection"
"Unleash the Beast"
"Battle Royale"
Could be me grasping at straws, but they all seem pretty relevant. Especially battle royale, which is easily a sports reference like much of the other stuff in the room, a reference to the movie where 42 students are trapped on an island and forced to kill each other off until only one is left, or "a fight involving three or more combatants which is fought until only one fighter remains standing."
Awesome.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

If it's not a parallel universe then how do you explain the polar bear excavation...the effects of global warming in the future? Thus, the rescue team is from the future.

Posted by: Polar Bear | February 8, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Q: remember Locke said that he wanted to go to Jacob's and Hurley was like, "Wrong way, dude." I wasn't sure if Locke was mad at Hurley for saying that or just thought he was nuts.

A: I think both Locke and Ben had a look of real surprise that Hurley knew about the cabin, and possibly could see Jacob. As Ben demonstrated when he mocked John when he at first couldn't see or communicate with Jacob, only "the chosen" get to see Jacob... probably goes for the cabin, too.


Q: Maybe it's just me, but has the front of the plane traveled from the jungle to the water between the 1st Season to last season? I seem to recall Jack, Kate and Charlie going to the check on the pilot for the receiver and a monster killed the pilot in the island and not in the water. Am I missing something?

A: You're missing something. There are two planes - one on the island and one under the water. We don't know yet if the plane at the bottom of the ocean is a cover up plane (planted by Oceanic or someone else), planted there knowing that the research being done in the area would uncover it, or if there is some time split going on and the Losties ARE the same people buried under the sea just in an alternate reality or doppelgangers of themselves. The answer is still to be revealed. I'm leaning towards the cover up explanation. It would explain the missing ring - the cover up wasn't as carefully detailed as it might have been.


Q: Here's a question. Would anyone care to take a guess as to how long the discovered body of 815's pilot had been underwater at the time of discovery? That would give some clue as to flashback/flash forward.

A. Two months, give or take, but definitely before the Freighter Four arrive on the island. I think all the flashbacks we saw were indeed flashbacks. The only one I think we don't know for sure is Miles since there wasn't a TV program or newspaper, etc in the scene mentioning the crash or the discovery of the plane at sea. There was a calendar in the house that said 2004 (the Oceanic flight crashed in Sept 2004), so we know it's about the time of the crash, but no definite date. Probably about the same timeframe as when we see the Pilot and Daniel F in their flashbacks.


Q: An interesting point that was not brought up: it appears Naomi was sent on to the island under the belief that no Oceanic survivors would actually be there.

A: Well, we know that Abaddon was creepily saying that there were no survivors on the island. He was also saying it in such a way that meant that know one was supposed to talk about the fact that there actually WERE survivors on the island, and they both know it. The way he said it, how could ANYONE actually believe he was telling the truth? I think Screwtape at 12:48 had a pretty good post on this. The only part I disagree with is Kate's lack of remorse. I think each of the O6 at first feel OK, but slowly realize their error and try to get back (as we saw Jack was fine at first, but slowly slides into depression and desperation). I think Kate's on her way there too, and I think at some point we catch up with these flash-forwards and watch as the Losties get back to the island. Just a theory on the end of the show.

Posted by: Quiz Master | February 8, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Q: Speaking of Richard and the other others...I wonder what they are doing. Their leader, Ben, is now Locke's pet on a leash. Some of them were blown up, run over and/or shot by the Losties. What are the rest doing? Busy with their book club?

A: Remember, it's only been about a day and half in Lostie Time since Ben left the others to go get Jack and sent the few to the beach. So they may be hanging out waiting for Ben - probably don't realize he's been captured since he hasn't been gone that long.


Q: it wouldn't surprise me if in the last episode of the show we find out that all of this is just some strange, drug induced dream of someone in a mental institution -- Hurley. However, I hope this is not the case

A: Already been denied by the Producers that this will not be how it ends. Hopefully we can trust them.


Q: As a diehard fan, I was frankly disappointed in this episode. It was all just an extended setup to introduce four new (and obnoxious) characters, none of whom I want to see hogging screen time at the expense of the ones we've come to know and love. Compared to last week, the plot moved forward at a snail's pace. Come on -- there's only six more episodes in the can!

A: I think that this episode served as our "usual" season opener episode. Before this, each season opener has introduced a new set of characters to the island. I think that the "Beginning of the End" HAD to be the first episode of this season since "Through the Looking Glass" (the flash-forward revealing episode) was WAY to big an episode not to end the season. So the writers had no choice on how to open this season (to finish out the day from "Through the Looking Glass"), but now we're getting our "New Character Introduction" Episode as usual. Each New Season usually opens with a shot where the viewer can't really at first decipher where we are or what's going on, an unknown perspective (Jack's eye, Desmond in the Hatch, the Others' Book Club, Under the Sea).


Q: As for the C.S. Lewis references, I know that the show's creators have said that this is not purgatory, but C.S. Lewis, in addition to the Narnia series, wrote several serious books exploring the nature of purgatory and heaven.

A: But another CS Lewis theme was portals to other/fantasy worlds...


Q: Did anyone else think it suspicious how pristine the helicopter looked? Lapidus, the pilot, looked all tore up from the landing, but the chopper looks like it just went through a car wash. Something's fishy there.

A: The chopper was brought down safely, but there was a lot of tossing and turning going on in the air. He could have gashed his head in all the bumping around and then gotten all dirty in his climb up the hill (the first time we see him he's scrambling up the steep hill/cliff). Besides the gash, he's really just dirty and exhausted... not badly injured.

Posted by: Quiz Master | February 8, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Q: Unlike Steve, I'm thrilled with the new, quirky characters and the pace this season is moving at. The story lines seem to be converging and locking in toward resolution. I'm thinking at this rate, this arc with the freighters and the Jack and Locke camps will be wrapped up well before the series ends in 2010. That means there are still major elements and complexities to Lost that have yet to be revealed. I think the story will go beyond the Oceanic 6 and move us into other realms before the series ends.

A: Agree!


Q: I'm not sure why everyone is convinced that Jack's father's body is on the island. Remember Jack pleading with the Oceanic Airline staffer to let him take his father home. We never find out how this is resolved.

A: Except Christian Shepherd has been seen a couple of times. Remember last season when someone said, "Nothing stays dead on this island?" And they found the coffin. Even if Oceanic didn't agree to transport the body, why on earth would they transport the empty casket? I think Christian Shepherd was definitely in there... though his present state and whereabouts are a big mystery right now.


Q: One thing for sure, whoever is in the coffin is not one of the Oceanic 6. They're famous. A reporter or a photographer would have gone to the funeral if it was one of the Oceanic 6. But no one showed up.

A: That is an excellent point. That's why I think it can't be someone who was on the plane. All signs in the scene itself point to Michael, but unless he was somehow living anonymously, apart from the Oceanic 6, it can't have been him or someone else on that flight. Maybe it's a character we haven't met yet? ABADDON, anyone???


Q: Could Charlotte possibly be Ben's insider? I mean why was she wearing a bullet proof vest? By Ben "apparently" trying to kill her it would absolve her of all suspicion of being associated with Ben.

I read on EW that they felt Charlotte had been to the island previously. Could she possibly be Annie?

A: I think Annie is part of or connected to Dharma. We see this in her reaction to finding the bear and the Dharma logo and in her questioning of Claire about having Aaron on the island. If she is connected to the original Dharma, destroyed by Ben, she would know of the fact of women dying if they conceived on the island, but maybe not that they could have healthy babies if they conceived off the island. Maybe that's all been discovered in Ben's time on the island - so original Dharma wouldn't necessarily know that.


Q: In the first National Treasure movie, Charlotte is a ship. Throughout the movie, characters say "the secret lies with Charlotte." Just saying...

A: If this show has ANY connection the movie "National Treasure" I will be very disappointed. That was the worst movie ever, haha.

Posted by: Quiz Master | February 8, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Q: I'm very sure Charlotte is Annie and a possible other mole on the freighter. She was the only one who seemed happy to be on the island, and the only one prepared (bulletproof vest). She was also actively investigating Dharma while the other three were just living seemingly normal lives.

A: I'm also sure that Charlotte is connected to Dharma, thus would have good reason to be happy to be at the island, but Ben is an enemy of Dharma since he killed them all, so she wouldn't be Ben's mole. And I think we would have seen a different reaction from Ben if he recognized CSL as Annie - a face reaction with accompanying closeup shot, or some clue (and, was Annie British? I can't remember that part).


Q: Personally I think Ben's mole is Mikhail Bakunin AKA "Patchy" for multiple reasons.

A: It can't be Patchy... A few reasons: 1. According to the Producers, Patchy actually died this time (maybe he can come back from electrocution, but not from blowing himself to bits). 2. Patchy would be a terrible mole since we've seen him on the island too recently and too often for him to be on the freighter. He doesn't really have a quick/easy way to get between the freighter and the island for us to have seen him as much as we have and so how could he have spent so much time away from the freighter without being noticed? Ben's mole would have needed to be on the freighter for a much longer period of time to gain the trust and get the information he needed to be a good mole.


Q: I don't know if anyone raised this question in prior years...but I'm confused about the pregnancy/fertility problem on the island. Rouseeua was pregnant when she arrived, as was Claire, and both successfully delivered babies without a hint of problems. But wasn't there great concern about Sun also arriving pregnant? (Didn't they want to kidnap her to study her?) How was any of this different from the fertility problem Juliet Burke was brought to the island to work on?

A: The problem is that if a woman CONCEIVES on the island, complications arise. Rousseau and Claire were fine because they were pregnant before they arrived. Dharma/Ben are probably so hung up on curing this because they could never set up a continuous civilization on the island if they can't populate it without outside help.


Q: Did I mishear this, or did Daniel Farraday's wife call him "Jim" when he got upset watching tv?

A: Nope, she calls him Dan. She says it a few times and it's pretty clear if you watch it again.


Q: www.myspace.com/previouslyonlostmusic

A: hilariously awful and awfully hilarious

Posted by: Quiz Master | February 8, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Q: When they found the downed helicopter - didn't someone say to Miles "Sorry about your SISTER" or "We'll come back for your SISTER" or some such thing? ...so then how is Naomi exactly his "sister"

A: Talking about their sister is a CODE WORD for being in trouble. Not meant literally.


Q: Did anybody else notice last night that whenever a prime answer was about to be given (especially by the "boaties") something comes up and distracts them.

A: haha, this actually happens a lot.


Q: How about this? The island as the biblical Eden. Humans were banished and the Island hidden, but people have managed, through a mix of accident and technology to "find" it again. Obviously there would be various factions driving to harness its unique powers, preserve it's hidden nature, or destroy it as an unacceptable challenge to human free will.

A: Wastan - I like this theory a lot. There are several quite like it out there, but you've put it really well... makes sense.


Q: And one more thing, didn't anyone notice that the Kate at the airport looked very different from Kate on the island? No freckles, for one thing. She had freckles in flashbacks, so where'd they go?

A: No freckles, but she was also wearing a lot of other makeup that she normally wasn't wearing on the island. And being in the sun on the island a lot, her freckles would really come out. If she's not out in the sun as much, make sense that her freckles would fade... happens to me every winter!


Q: Knife in the back, shot in the chest -- these people are very violent, and unrealistically so, as far as I'm concerned.

A: People have been dying, some violently since Season 1. Good or bad, this is how this show is.


Q: Excellent question about how the plane supposedly ended up where it did. Sydney to Bali is a Northwesterly flight and Sydney to Los Angeles is a Northeasterly flight. It's at least 2,500 miles off course.

A: Though it could have been easily explained away by Oceanic saying that their equipment went down and they went WAY off course... as it was, they were already 1000 miles off course, according to the pilot in Season 1.

Posted by: Quiz Master | February 8, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Q: What about Matthew Abaddon and his island rescue team? In the flashback, he tells Naomi the team won't find anyone on the island because there are no survivors of Oceanic 815. Now, considering that Oceanic 815 was found in the water off the coast of Bali, why would Naomi think there would be survivors on an as-yet-unlocated island? And why send a physicist, a psychic, an anthropologist and a pilot with ties to Oceanic 815 if the real aim is to capture Ben Linus?

A: I think that Abaddon isn't exactly leading a rescue team, haha. He may be Dharma, Oceanic, or someone else, but he was probably involved in the cover up, he's sinister and we don't quite know yet what he wants with the island. I think Naomi works for him, she clearly knew that the place they were going was a probable location to find the Oceanic 815 survivors, though when Abaddon kept insisting she wouldn't find them, I think it was just a sign that she was supposed to keep quiet about them and that it's really the island itself, not the survivors that Abaddon is trying to find. Oceanic 815 isn't their "top priority".

He also mentions that the other four were each specifically chosen for "a reason". The backstories we saw and what they saw on each of them show us why they were chosen.

Daniel Faraday was emotionally affected by the crash, and he's also a physicists. If the island is really some sort of electromagnetic phenomenon that can open black holes or time warps or whatever, he's probably got the brain to figure it out: to find the island in the first place and get off it when needed. Maybe the hook they used to get him on the mission was letting him know that he may be able to help find the survivors. When he said that finding the survivors and rescuing them wasn't the freighters "top priority" indicated to me that he knew they would find them, but has since been turned by Abaddon into thinking there was a reason they shouldn't be saved. He also seems quite book smart, but maybe not so street smart (hence, Miles has to explain the code to him like a kid). I actually know a few physicists just like this - BRILLIANT people that are just socially inept in real life and mundane tasks, haha. I think he notices the light because of his physics background.

Miles is needed on the island because he can communicate with the Supernatural. The island CLEARLY has many, many supernatural elements working with it. I think it's pretty clear this is why he is needed.

CS Lewis (LOVE THAT) is chosen because she already has some knowledge or previous experience with Dharma. She definitely was not all that surprised to find the Dharma logo with the polar bear remains. I'm not actually sure that she's a real anthropologist... she wasn't really taking great care to handle or excavate those remains! Real excavation is a slow and particular process... she just started hacking at the dirt! I think the confirmation of Dharma's presence at the site was what she wanted.

The pilot is needed because he's, well, a pilot. He, like Daniel, also had a profound emotional attachment to the crash, since he was scheduled to be the pilot, but for some reason must have switched with the actual pilot just before the departure. Much like how we sometimes hearing stories of people that were supposed to have been on 9/11 flights and didn't go or missed the flight for one reason or another (maybe the Pilot was too drunk to fly? Any chance if we watch Season 1 airport footage he's at the bar somewhere?), and he feels extremely guilty. Not a big surprise that he's memorized the manifest. Again, like Daniel, he was motivated to overcome the danger of the mission because of his attachment to finding the survivors, but has since been turned. That's probably whey the Freighter 4 are all carrying weapons and protecting themselves... Abaddon and others have convinced them that the Oceanic survivors are dangerous for some reason, or have brainwashed them to work for another power.

Posted by: Quiz Master | February 8, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

General observations:

Love the Ghostbusters vacuum Miles uses. Was it just to create noise to muffle him talking, or did it really have a purpose? He didn't need it to communicate with Naomi...

Why was Miles looking for the money/drugs in the kids room? "I want to be able to tell your grandmother you're gone... but not until you tell me where it is". Who told him what to work for and why? Are we going to see this play out, or was it just one scene?

Jeremy Davies rocks. He just the right amount of creepy nervous to be awesome. He was also excellent in Rescue Dawn and Secretary.

How has no one mentioned THE COW!

Posted by: Quiz Master | February 8, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

confirms that the Pilot (played by Greg Grunberg) is indeed wearing a wedding ring).

also confirms that the picture showed to match the body is a pic of Grunberg as well.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

also shows the picture on the wall of the boy in the grandmother's house is close, but not Eko as a young boy... relative? maybe.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Three observations:

1) I've noticed that there is a subtle difference in the writing style of these first two episodes. There seems to be a sharing of some information among the Losties and a willingness to comfront the mysteries - as seen by Locke's question of "What is the smoke monster?" and Sawyer's asking who told Locke to put a knife in Naomi's back

2) Clearly Jacob's Cabin moves around the Island - and boy did Ben's ears perk up at that. I guess if Hurley saw Jacob too then Locke is not quite the wonder boy the Others think he is - I started thinking what if the Island also moves around in time and space. That could explain how the plane ended up in the Sundra Trench, the Dharma Polar Bear ended up in Tunisia, the Nigerian plane ended up in the South Pacific, the Black Rock landed in the middle of the Island or why no matter which way Desmond sailed he still ended up back at the Island. And if those pictures of the drug-dealing grandson are Eko - and the Producers seem to make it a point to focus our attention on them - the idea of a time-traveling Island would make sense.

3) I agree with a previous commentator - I bet Michael's the mole on the boat!

Posted by: dre7861 | February 8, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20177008,00.html

from Doc Jensen:

"And did you notice that each one corresponded to a member of the Fantastic Four, another quartet of curious characters who fell from the heavens after bumping through a weird-science squall of cosmic rays?"

Daniel Faraday: Mr Fantastic, "socially awkward physicist, whose body is as elastic as Faraday's view of himself."

Miles Strom: Johnny Storm, "the hotheaded Human Torch, as fiery as Strom's temper and wit." See also: "maelstrom: a wickedly strong whirlpool"

CS Lewis: Susan Storm, "the FF's token female, whose 'hard light' powers were handy for conjuring bullet-repelling shields and making herself invisible."

Frank Lapidus: Ben Grimm, "who piloted the team's ill-fated spaceflight through a storm of cosmic rays and was transformed into the sad-eyed, rock-encrusted Thing for his trouble." Also, Lapidus = Granite

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Doc Jensen also theorizes that Charlotte the DAUGHTER of Ben's childhood friend Annie, not Annie herself. Which would support her connections to Dharma, why Ben perhaps didn't recognize her, and the theory that she'd been to the island before.

Though if Ben did recognize her and just hide it well, she'd be a good bet to be his MOLE.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The polar bear in Tunisia wasn't so much a nod to Lucas, but to Spielberg. It was reminiscent of one of the opening scenes in Close Encounters of the Third Kind when they discover the WW2 vintage planes (that had disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle) in the Tunisian desert.

Posted by: bear | February 8, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse


I enjoy LOST but I do think the constant cascading of new mysteries is getting out of hand -- now we're supposed to juggle C.S. Lewis and Star War references, and deal with a ghostbuster investigating a house that might have a picture of young Eko on the wall, and an endless stream of such oddities? I do think the series should resolve a mystery or two and THEN introduce a new mystery or two -- not just keep piling them on, to the point where my head is spinning after watching an episode.

Also, no one here has responded to Bilbo B's excellent point about how come neither Jack nor John's group seem at all curious about how Naomi came to have a picture of Penny & Desmond, and the significance of that?


At this pace, the show is starting to kill off characters (and resurrecting dead ones) faster than explaining their actions.

Posted by: SJH | February 8, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

First off, wow, Quiz Master, you're thorough! Nice job there. Second, a few questions/comments:

1) The money that Charlotte gave the man at the dig site: was this the same money that Miles pulled from the bedroom (and why didn't he give it to the grandmother when he found it?) It seems Miles was there to exorcise whatever spirit remained there, but he knew more about what was going on than the grandmother did.

2) For those of you following find815: do you believe that the coordinates that Sam was getting through his cryptic emails were the clues that led the undersea explorers to the remains of the "plane"? Because it would then seem that it was a set up to convince people that there were no survivors (hence the writers letting us know through the pilot/wedding ring doubts raised).

3) Charlotte/Annie connection - definitely not the same person, as Ben seems to know everything about her 25 year-long life, but the possibility of her being her daughter is interesting.

4) Lt. Daniels (sorry, I'm also obsessed with the Wire) seems to imply to Naomi that there "would be no survivors" - either they're already dead or would be after her mission. Whiech leads me to believe that something went awry, since he asked Hurley if they were still alive when he visited him in the hospital.

Ok, head is too full now to go on. Damn I love this show...

Posted by: jmn | February 8, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Q: I enjoy LOST but I do think the constant cascading of new mysteries is getting out of hand -- now we're supposed to juggle C.S. Lewis and Star War references, and deal with a ghostbuster investigating a house that might have a picture of young Eko on the wall, and an endless stream of such oddities??

A: I'm not sure that any of these references are meant to be "mysteries" that need solving. I doubt that it will ever be explained explicitly why the writer's have chosen to reference Star Wars, Stephen King, Alice in Wonderland and about a hundred other books, religions, scientific principles, etc... or why any of the Losties are really connected or have the same issues. And I don't think they need to. I think questions like, "What the heck is going on on this island?" and "Who are these different groups of people and what is their purpose?" are going to be answered, but thematic details and cosmic character connections, that make great Easter Eggs and great talking points, ultimately won't/shouldn't be listed as "MYSTERIES" that we need to wait/expect for answers on...

I mean, I want to know about who Richard Alpert and his people are (Black Rock Immortals?), who Abaddon works for, why Ben doesn't want to leave, what the Smoke Monster is (thanks, Locke!), what's up with the four-toed status... but things like, "Why did Ana Lucia's old partner interview Hurley", and "Why exactly did Libby give Desmond the boat" I don't think we need exact answers on (And there's not enough episodes left to explain it all). It may all be chaulked up to the island's forces drawing these people together for a reason, but I doubt it will go further than that.

I could be wrong (very wrong), but I think they'd have to release an encyclopedia of Lost trivia to answer it all! There are too many SMALL things that have been thrown at us, (hello, Walt's face on the Milk Carton?) to wrap it all up nicely, neatly and precisely. It's going to be a blanket statemet to take care of a lot of the small things.

Posted by: Quiz Master | February 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

...four-toed statue...

Posted by: Anonymous | February 8, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

regarding naomi having desmond's photo.... perhaps it was to be able to identify desmond as a "non-other"? when miles, the pilot and dan find out juliet wasn't on the plane, they freak. they also have a photo of ben to ID him. we know they are targeting ben - do they know how many people he has with him? maybe the desmond photo was submitted by penny so that they would be able to separate him from "the others" if they are supposed to harm all "the others" to pay them back for the ben's dharma genocide. and the pilot knows the entire flight list and so he could positively ID them as non-others, to separate them when they target ben and "the others"? just a thought to try to explain that one...

Posted by: Lost at Work | February 8, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

A couple comments:

Polar Bear in Tunisia - not saying this is where the producers are going, but finding biologically modern bones or modern artifacts in an unusual spot is a classic sci-fi theme suggesting time travel (i.e. burying something 1,000,000 years ago in a spot that was tropical, and digging it up in the desert that the spot became). Guess you all were wasting your adolescent years learning how to kiss when I was spending my time reading bad novels.

Light scattering - I don't quite have the background to explain this properly, but the way that electrons bounce off other matter is a fundamental (and to my understanding still perplexing to physicsists) property of light, having something to do with the dual particle/wave status of electromagnetic radiation. Put more simply, something very strange is going on...

Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm totally annoyed by those who insist the boy in the grandmothers house in Inglewood, CA was a young Eko. Eko is Nigerian, and grew up impoverished in Nigeria. How would he suddenly have a clearly American grandmother and live in Inglewood? Come on now, use your common sense.
Learn to distinguish Africans from Americans, and realize that not all black people look the same.

Posted by: Annoyed African | February 9, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

In support of Annoyed African, did Eko's accent sound like he grew up in Inglewood?

Posted by: Sam | February 9, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

WHAT MILES SAID: A KEY TO THE ISLAND

As Kate and Daniel are carrying Naomi to the helicopter, Miles has an interesting and critical exchange with Daniel:

Miles: What are you doing with her.

Daniel: We're taking her with us.

Miles: What's the point. That's not Naomi. It's just me.


This seems to be evidence that the Island is a channel in more ways than one. It may also point to the speculation that people don't really live on the Island as we would comprehend "living."

The other odd part to this scene was that just prior to the exchange, when Miles is on the phone, the voice on the other end sounds like Naomi (though the name Regina is used).

If anyone's still reading this far, please share your opinion...

Posted by: R2 | February 9, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

R2,
I heard Miles say, "it's just meat" not "it's just me". In other words, she's dead so we shouldn't bother taking her body with us.

Posted by: bparks | February 9, 2008 3:37 AM | Report abuse

i definitely heard "meat" too. thought it was a little harsh, but not particularly meaningful.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 9, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

This is my first time reading this column, so I am not sure if this has been suggested before. Man of Faith vs Man of Science is a big part of the story line. Suppose this battle is not suppose to be taking place on the island, but in the viewer. What if every mystery on the island has explanations, one of science and one of faith and it is up to viewer to decide which is correct based upon whether they believe more heavily in faith or science. Perhaps the island is a representation of the viewer's beliefs.

Posted by: Luke | February 9, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

1) I think Michael is the mole. Before he shot Libby & Ana Lucia to free Ben, Michael appears to have been brainwashed by the Others. When Michael is rewarded for bringing Jack, Kate, et al. to Ben, and is allowed to leave the island via boat, Ben gives Michael a special heading (based upon "the numbers"). My guess is Ben knows about the freighter, is sending Michael toward it, and Michael is still "hypnotized" to do Ben and the Others' will.

2) Charlotte is not Annie or Annie's daughter, but she does have a past connection w/ Dharma. When she went to the Tunisia dig to see the polar bear skeleton, she obviously was not connected w/ that dig and had to bribe her way to the skeleton. She did not dig carefully, like a true anthropologist. She paid almost no attention to the skeleton (yet knew immediately it was a polar bear). Instead, she seemed to be looking for something else, and raked through the stones near the skeleton until she found the Dharma Hydra collar, which cause her to beam w/ (devious?) delight. Also, when she landed on the Lost island, she appeared to revel in being there and cavorted in the lake (despite being weighted down by a bullet-proof vest). She seems no stranger to Dharma. When Ben knows so much about her, she seems surprised. Is that surprise because the hunter has become the hunted? Was she sent to the island to find Ben (and seek revenge for his past purge on Dharma) and now her cover is blown?

3) Without getting too deep into the religious overtones (see posts above), Abbadon is definitely shrouded in evil. He may work for Oceanic trying to deceive the public into thinking Flight 815 crashed into an ocean trench off of Bali, but he may also work for Dharma, and the "survivors" he seeks may be the survivors of Ben's purge instead of the Losties. If he is Dharma, he knows the "magic" of the island and thus sends specialists: Daniel Farrady ((named after the famous physicist who explored magnetism) to explore the electro-magnetic properties of the island), Miles (to explore the paranormal properties we've seen (like the walking dead and Jacob's house)), and Naomi (to seek vengeance on Ben for purging the original Dharma inhabitants). Also, Abbadon could work for Widmore Construction (owned by Penny's father, who dislikes Desmond and who would enjoy destroying him). In addition, Abbadon could work for Mittelos or one of the other enigmatic corporations which so far are shadowy but which appear to want to keep this "hidden," "magical" island hidden and magical and not found by people searching for the survivors of Flight 815. Further, Abbadon (along w/ Naomi and the mother in the Miles flashback) adds another Negro character, which is important b/c eventually we need to know who was in that casket in what appeared to be an African-American funeral home in a predominately black area of L.A. in Jack's flashforward that ended last season (and Michael and Walt's names do not appear to match what little could be discerned in the obituary Jack held in that final episode).

4) I think people may be reading too much into the Col. Kurtz remark Sawyer made to Locke. Yes, Locke's shaved head and some of his actions are reminiscent of Brando's character in _Apocalypse Now_, but I think any allusions end there. In both the Conrad novel and the Coppola film, Kurtz is a highly gifted man who turns his back on civilization and who regresses into that primitivism and evil that seem to lurk in the dark heart of humans. Locke, however, does not seem savage. He couldn't kill his father. He couldn't kill a cop (when he worked on that commune). He couldn't shoot Jack. Yes, he kills Naomi, but that was in an attempt to "save" the island. And the word "save" is key. Despite Jack's father having the Messianic name Christian Shepherd, it's Locke who appears the most Christ-like savior so far. Locke is the "man of faith" who has an affinity with the spiritual Mr. Eko. Locke is willing to give his life so the island may live (martyrdom). He's a prince of peace, as opposed to Jack and Sawyer and Sayid who have beaten or killed how many people so far? Locke helps others, such as helping Boone overcome his demons, detoxing the heroin-addicted Charlie, listening to Hugo, and building a cradle for Claire. I realize in a flashforward that Hugo apologizes to Jack for following Locke, so Locke may not be as good as he seems, but up to this point, Locke, despite his Daniel Boone love for the outdoors, is hardly a Kurtz who wants to go back to man's primordial past.

Posted by: HarryMerkin | February 9, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"The polar bear in Tunisia wasn't so much a nod to Lucas, but to Spielberg. It was reminiscent of one of the opening scenes in Close Encounters of the Third Kind when they discover the WW2 vintage planes (that had disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle) in the Tunisian desert."

I had the exact same vibe with that scene. In addition, all 4 are obsessively drawn to the crash for unknown reasons, just as in Close Encounter (remember Richard Dreyfus and the mashed potatoes?).

Posted by: Hermbo | February 9, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

RE: Miles - one more thought

But why does he say, "That's not Naomi"?

I realize he could be saying that in the spiritual sense. But, something seems odd that he's so adamant about it. As if, what happens on the island isn't based in reality as we know it. Of course, it may also point to Miles' character--heartless, calculating, but just slightly guilty.

Speaking of character, let's talk about Sawyer. When he colors Locke as Col. Kurtz, I think it says more about Sawyer than Locke. That is, Sawyer is actually a bright guy and well read. Remember early on he goes out of his way to find a pair of glasses and something to read. Anything to read. Why? Because he has a thirst for knowledge, for perspective, for escape.

I also think his comment is there to underpin one way to look at what's going on by comparing Heart of Darkness ( and by extension Apocalypse Now) to Lost. Heart of Darkness is recounted by a narrator who tells the story of Marlow, who in turn, told the story of his time in the Congo.For starters, think about that.

Heart of Darkness is complex because there are no easy answers and no one really escapes the tight rope that one walks between good and evil, morality and immorality, reality and fantasy. Of what is supposedly civilized vs. uncivilized. And all the characters face these questions, not just Kurtz.

If Apocalypse Now is your reference, then just think about the contradiction of the insanity of the U.S. war policy vs the "crazy" colonel out in the jungle. Like Kurtz says, What do you call assassins who accuse assassins?

Posted by: R2 | February 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I heard Miles say, "it's just meat" not "it's just me". In other words, she's dead so we shouldn't bother taking her body with us.

Posted by: bparks | February 9, 2008 03:37 AM


I think it makes a ton of sense that Miles would say that about Naomi's body, "It's just meat." Miles OBVIOUSLY has a connection to spirits - we saw him twice commune with spirits of the dead. Since he can do that, he knows that people "live" outside the body after they are dead, and thus their bodies aren't needed if the spirit has left them. Maybe it has some meaning to the island, but I think it's pretty obvious and logical that Miles should feel that way about a body.

Posted by: Lost at Work | February 9, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Guys, I think we're being too dismissive of the freckles thing.

"Q: And one more thing, didn't anyone notice that the Kate at the airport looked very different from Kate on the island? No freckles, for one thing. She had freckles in flashbacks, so where'd they go?

A: No freckles, but she was also wearing a lot of other makeup that she normally wasn't wearing on the island. And being in the sun on the island a lot, her freckles would really come out. If she's not out in the sun as much, make sense that her freckles would fade... happens to me every winter!"

Here's what we need to remember: 1) the creators of this show pay meticulous attention to detail and 2) these are not real people going through real seasons. And Kate is not making her own decisions about how much makeup to wear. If Kate has freckles in one scene and no freckles in another, it MEANS something. Remember at the end of season 3 when Sawyer suddenly calls Kate "Kate" instead of "Freckles," and she says, "Since when do you call me Kate?"

The freckles mean something. I don't know what yet, but it's SOMETHING.

Posted by: Stef | February 9, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Q: Maybe it's just me, but has the front of the plane traveled from the jungle to the water between the 1st Season to last season? I seem to recall Jack, Kate and Charlie going to the check on the pilot for the receiver and a monster killed the pilot in the island and not in the water. Am I missing something?

A: You're missing something. There are two planes - one on the island and one under the water."

Actually, I think you are just a little confused. The front of the plane with the pilot landed away from the beach. I believe Jack, Kate, and Charlie had to hike quite a ways to get there. The mid-section landed on the beach. This is the section that we first saw in Season One from which most of our survivors came from. The tail section landed on the other side of the island. It also contained survivors, such as Ana Lucia and Libby. Some of the "tailies" were captured by the Others, but many of them are now dead. It is pretty clear that the "found" wreckage of 815 that was displayed on TV was planted in order to stop the search for the real wreckage.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 9, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Good call pointing out the references to Close Encounters as opposed to Raiders. Not just the Tunisia scene, but also the obsession of the rescuers, especially Faraday, with the Island.

I also thought that Regina's voice sounded remarkably like Naomi's on the phone.

And this bit of trivia from another Lost blog (I forget which one): the ocean probe that finds Oceanic 815 was part of a mission to find the wreckage of the Black Rock. (Cue the Twilight Zone theme music...)

Posted by: Not Shlomo | February 9, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

::Remember at the end of season 3 when Sawyer suddenly calls Kate "Kate" instead of "Freckles," and she says, "Since when do you call me Kate?"::

Yes, but Sawyer had also lost the ping pong tournament and the condition was he couldn't use nicknames anymore for a week or whatever. I could be wrong but I don't think EVERY SINGLE THING in the show is meant to be questioned. Some things are just what they are.

Posted by: apfromal | February 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, I think you are just a little confused... It is pretty clear that the "found" wreckage of 815 that was displayed on TV was planted in order to stop the search for the real wreckage."

Right. That's what I said. There are clearly two versions of the plane. Though it looks like a cover up, there is also the possibility that if the island exists in some parallel dimension, there are actually two versions of the exact same plane, not that the original plane has been copied with a cover-up by a gov't/company. There are so many literary and other references to two simulatenous worlds, time warps, etc that we can't yet dimiss that side of the argument/theory. But yes, two planes. Definitely.

Posted by: Quiz Master | February 9, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

C.S. Lewis also wrote Mere Christianity which concerns a rational reason to have faith.

Posted by: fs | February 9, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe Michael is Ben's "man on the boat." If he was, wuldn't he have told them that there were flight 815 surviors on the island? I think Michael's boat is still circling the island.

Posted by: Anon | February 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the freckles thing could be a clue that Sawyer doesn't make it, or could be the one in the coffin (granted, it's a small coffin, but if the remains weren't whole, it could work).

Think about it...if Sawyer dies or betrays Kate in some way, she might want to cover up her freckles with make-up so as not to think of his nickname when she looks in the mirror.

Posted by: Matt | February 9, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Glad people are still reading. We can't all get on line on Friday.... My new theory: That was Michael's grandmother (look at the vintage of the photos on the wall and do the math), and Michael's ghost, trying to warn Grandma and let her know that Walt was in trouble (look at all Michael has done already for Walt). And as for the cash and drugs, we already know Michael had a storied past. Could Michael be in the coffin? Why would Kate want to go, indeed?

Posted by: fs | February 9, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Referencing multiple posts about Abaddon (scandibaby), an Eden (wastan), and last week's comments about points of convergence and reflection... maybe the island IS an Eden. It is the lynchpin that balances the world between forces of good and evil and whomever has control of it, controls the world. It's original inhabitants (the creators of the 4-toed colossus, possibly an idol) strayed from their initial covenant with the Creator and were banished, and no one inhabited the island until there was an accidental shipwreck (pirate ship).

Liz and Jen have theorized that Ben is a good guy. Maybe he is the inversion, the polar opposite, of Matthew Abaddon. Heck (and please don't hate me for this because it is so literal), Ben is waxy white (a Luke Skywalker reference?) and Abaddon is deeply black (Darth Vader, anyone?) that we have set up a literal good vs. evil matchup on the white and black chessboard for... what? the good of humanity?

Maybe Dharma accidentally found the island and - not knowing what it was - began experimenting with and exploiting some of the more obvious "powers" of the island. Teleporting, for instance (though why anyone would use polar bears, I have no idea). Somehow, Ben is identified by the Others as a future King Arthur-type, being of pure enough heart and pulling the sword from the stone, that he is saved from the Purge to become a protector of the island.

Investors of Dharma are looking for the island because they've figured out that the island is worth something big. Powerful.

Abaddon is the force of evil, ready to plunge the world into the End of Days if the island can be found and turned over to his Master. The plane at the bottom of the ocean is a plant, and a cover to allow for other searches to continue without attracting attention.

Ben and Eyeliner-Guy are doing their best to keep the island shrouded and hidden from the world, to maintain the Eden, but pesky plane crashes brings survivors and then there are those trying to find them - literally an end to innocence - which will ultimately prevail.

Posted by: just one more | February 9, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

and the smoke monster? THE SERPENT. it is consciousness.

Posted by: just one more (again) | February 9, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

just one more - i like your thinking. the eden comments have really made sense, thanks for running with them! there has definitely been a lot of hints towards black vs. white - some subtle, some not so. it wouldn't surprise me to see the battle of good vs evil ultimately fought with ben vs. abaddon.

LOVE THIS SHOW.

Posted by: Lost at Work | February 10, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe Dharma accidentally found the island and - not knowing what it was - began experimenting with and exploiting some of the more obvious "powers" of the island. Teleporting, for instance (though why anyone would use polar bears, I have no idea)."

I had a flash close to this idea, but the polar bear in Tunisa clinched the idea. Consider this: The polar bears, and all polar bears, are originally from another planet, came to earth eons ago and require magnetically strong parts of earth to live and use their technology. They left some technology on the island which was discovered and used by the new human Dharma initiative. Polar bears saved Locke and others during the hatch implosion. Today's polar bears may be descendants who have gone back to the wild, and Dharma was trying to train them back to their original intellectual level.

I will not be surprised when, at the end of the series, all the polar bears take off in space ships and say to the earth "So long and thanks for all the seals"!

Posted by: Sully | February 10, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Here is some interesting info I found on the wikipedia page for LOST Season 4...

Not much is known about season four and most of what is known was revealed at San Diego's Comic-Con International 2007, where Lindelof, Cuse and Perrineau answered fan questions.

It has been hinted that there is no boat coming to the island; however, whoever is coming to the island is "a lot worse" than the Others. What happened between Ben and the real Henry Gale and how Ben was caught in Rousseau's trap on the survivors' fifty-eighth day will be explained. The four-toed statue will be addressed. Whether or not Kate is pregnant with a baby from Sawyer will be revealed in the first four episodes. What happened in the Hatch during its implosion will be explored. The fate of Sun and her unborn child will be made clear. What happened to Dr. Marvin Candle's arm will be addressed. How Libby wound up in the mental institution will be shown. What happened to Ben's childhood friend Annie will be revealed. More will be seen of the authoritative Other Jacob. Episodes will continue to feature flashbacks, in addition to flashforwards, which have revealed that Jack, Kate and Hurley escape the island; however, both Hurley and a depressed Jack believe it to be a mistake. Not all the survivors make it off the island. This season is apparently scarier and more violent than previous seasons. There will be more deaths, some of which take place in flashforwards. Time travel and other supernatural elements will be a part of the season, and decoy endings have been shot. In an interview with the Chicago Tribune, Damon Lindelof said that while "the show hasn't entirely abandoned flashbacks...we're done telling flashback stories that are not relevant to the uber-story of the island."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28season_4%29

Posted by: Clan | February 10, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Call me paranoid but doesn't Ben saying, "If you shoot me you'll never know how great a threat they [the four] were" seem to be using the wrong tense? Wouldn't "what a threat they are" make more sense?

My instinct is that Ben knows who Charlotte is because he's seen been through this before. Frank, the pilot, states he was supposed to be on flight 815 but wasn't. Yet through a circuitous route he ends up on the island anyway. I think about the statement "the universe has a way of course correcting." Maybe these four were instrumental in starting a course of events that Ben is trying to stop.

I suppose if true, that that would render Ben's statement that he has a man on the boat a lie so as to avoid having to state how he really knows things.

Posted by: Anthony | February 10, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Just a note on Daniel Faraday and his real-life namesake, the British physicist Michael Faraday. According to Wikipedia's entry on Michael Faraday:

"He established that magnetism could affect rays of light and that there was an underlying relationship between the two phenomena."

Which is precisely what Daniel Faraday notes about the light scattering on the island.

Posted by: Mark | February 11, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

"happy waitanga day" - Zoe was listed in the credits because it was her voice in the phone call. Zoe will be heard in two episodes and appear in one.

Posted by: ZoeBell.com | February 11, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Clan -- Please do NOT post SPOILERS in this comments section (and certainly not without prefacing it with a large "SPOILER" warning label!!!!!!! Please! Please! Please! NO SPOILERS on these pages -- we want to enjoy the show unfold as it unfolds, not find out stuff in advance!!!!

Posted by: SJH | February 11, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

This may be a stretch, but I was wondering if the "buddy at the police station" that told Miles about the murder of the "ghost" during the flashback/forward is supposed to be Anna Lucia.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 11, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Sorry- but I don't see the reference to Naomi as Miles' "sister" as any sort of "code word" [after the reference to "meat"]. To whom? Naomi was the supposedly only "trained mercenarista" of the lot. The other 3 on the team were described by Abbadon as "amateurs" or something of the like - - who aren't prone to using "code words".

And I didn't gather that the word was being used in the same way that Desmond refers to everyone as "Brother" in the "fellow member of humanity" sense.

It made me think of the strange "brother/sister" relationship of Shannon & Boone - who were step "siblings". If Miles is the son of the Hanso guy - then maybe Naomi was also some Dharma original offspring - as I think Charlotte may be (possibly the DAUGHTER of Annie - but not Annie herself).

Re the polar bear skeleton ending up in Tunisia - it reminded me of the film "The Prestige" and the character of Nikola Tesla, a real life 19th century physicist/engineer who worked in the fields of electricity and magnetism. He was eccentric - and apparently many of his theories are used to support pseudoscience such as UFOs, etc.

In the film, Tesla is contracted by the magician to develop a teletransportation device so that the magician can "disappear" from the stage (only to "rematerialize" elsewhere - off the stage). But there's a glitch in the system - Tesla puts a cat in the box - hits the juice - and, sure enough a cat appears out on the lawn - but - it's a 2nd cat - a kind of clone. The first cat remains inside the machine in the house.

The magician goes ahead and employs the device to horrific effect. Sure enough - he seems to "disappear" from the stage - however - umpteen clones of him pop up under the stage every time he does the "trick" - and they are presumably killed - because we find them stuffed into vats underneath the stage.

So . . . remember the bunnies? Maybe they were numbered because they were trying such a transporter machine like this - only it was producing clones. The only way they could keep them straight would be to number them - in the film "The Prestige" there ended up being dozens of these identical black cats out on the lawn. You couldn't tell which was what - first, second, etc.

Maybe the fact that they are clones is why the Other women can't successfully reproduce the natural way? And maybe the polar bear in Tunisia was a thrown "clone" from the island that they succeeded in placing at a farther distance (and possibly even in a different time if we have a true time/space shift).

Maybe they were cloned & thrown from the future (in a time of devastation) back to the island which is really "the past" in order to fix something about what happens in the future apocalypse. And maybe that's why the statue has only 4 toes.

Posted by: Jean | February 11, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Jean, Miles told Kate and Jack that when Naomi said "Tell my sister I love her" into the satellite phone, they knew that she was in trouble, because that was the codephrase they were all trained to say if they were under duress.

Posted by: Stef | February 11, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Jean - You need to rewatch and listen more carefully. Miles never calls Naomi his sister.

As he explains to Daniel on the rocks, for the Freighter Four, talking about your sister is code for "I'm in trouble".

Posted by: Lost at Work | February 11, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's something that may be interesting:

In the Season 3 finale - When Jack explains his desperation to Kate at the airport, he says that he gets on the plane and "Prays that it will crash".

If Jack is supposed to be the "Man of Science", does his praying mean anything? Did only the "Men of Faith" get to stay on the island, or is having some faith something he needs to do to get back to the island?

Posted by: Lost at Work | February 11, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

to any Losties still reading this thread - go to Liz's 2/11 afternoon post (titled: "Comment Box: Celebs who Give, Give Give; Lost Overload?") and tell her that you LOVE the weekly analysis so it doesn't get cut!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 11, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I dont have the time to read through all the comments so im going to put this down...sorry if it was already posted

I took the plane being underwater as part of a coverup so nobody goes looking elsewhere for the real 815.

Posted by: JonJon | February 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Annoyed African:
I'm sorry you were offended by the suggestion. I think the comments were meant innocently in some senses. For instance, there are very few African or African-American characters in this show (Michael, Walt, Eko, Eko's brother if you count him, and now Abbadon). Since we already know this show is about connections, one would assume that they wouldn't show us the same picture twice if it wasn't important.
We, also, know very little about Eko's history. All we know is the rebels take him when he's young, recruit him to be a killer and intimidator for drug deals. Then, when he decides to take over his brother's calling to be a priest after his death, he studies in California. So, it's less of a stretch for him to be in Cali.
Also, the picture they show on the wall twice, it looks VERY similar to a picture the directors showed of young Eko when we saw his first flashback ever. It's a picture his brother takes of him. I have only seen the picture twice since viewing the episode, but I recognized the background, not that it was a young African kid.
We also don't know if Eko ever brought his parents or family over to America after his brother died (sometimes that happens after a tragedy.) Kind of like, starting all over in a new place.
It's all just a theory based on an assumption of the interconnectivity of everyone on the show. Please don't take offense to it.

Posted by: Amanda | February 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if this needs mentioning, but after reading through the posts regarding Charlotte being the mole on the boat and Ben shooting her because he knew she'd be wearing a bullet proof vest, but....it appears they're *all* wearing one (well, *all* but Miles, or so I'm led to believe).

I rewatched Confirmed Dead the other night and during the opening scene, when the helicopter is in "crash" mode, CSL panics that she "can't find [her] vest" to which Miles replies: Take mine.

Now, this *could* mean a life vest, but I would doubt that. The only thing I could take that to mean is that it's her kevlar vest.

I also noticed that when Miles goes to Rose's house (you know, where there was the picture of Eko as a young boy) to exorcise the demon, the frame containing the picture of Eko changes from when he enters the house to when he leaves.

Going into the house, the picture is surrounded by 3-4" of matting, which is in turn surrounded by a rope-like material. When Miles comes back downstairs, the picture is larger and the frame consists of a 1" or so frame w/ no matting what-so-ever.

I'm not sure what the above means, maybe it means the polar bears have contacted their home planet and they're going to be rescued soon. But I figured I'd share anyway in case you missed the above items.

Posted by: Sam F. | February 13, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Q: This may be a stretch, but I was wondering if the "buddy at the police station" that told Miles about the murder of the "ghost" during the flashback/forward is supposed to be Anna Lucia.

A: It can't be. When Miles pulls up to the house, the radio announces that the wreckage of flight 815 has been found. This would lead me to believe that this scene was 80+ days after the plane disappeared.

Posted by: Sam F. | February 13, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

And yes, that reference to "Rose's house" two posts north of this was tongue in cheek to all the peeps thinking it's her.

Yeah, the woman is black (like Rose), but she's not Rose.

Posted by: Sam F. | February 13, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

A couple of things.

1) It's an interesting theory about Michael on the freighter, but I think people are looking to deeply into the cast lists. He was made a regular for season 4, that's why he appears in the cast list the first two episodes. They list all the main characters in the credits even if we don't see them in the episode.

2) I think there is a more reasonable explanation for the Tunisian polar bear. The bears were obviously used to a warmer climate living off the island. After the fall of Dhamra why couldn't one or more migrated there going from island to island until reaching Africa. They are really good swimmers! Though I love the polar bear alien theory. Brilliant!

3) I believe I read this in an earlier post but someone mentioned the 4 freighters pic of Ben he was standing by a metal detector/x- ray machine. (Sorry can't remember which) It made me instantly think back to an early episode of season 3 when Locke has his vision quest, or whatever he called it, and sees Ben as the security guard checking Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. Coincidence?

Don't let me down folks don't want to be the last post!

Posted by: SEARCH:LOSER | February 13, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

WTF Pop up video?? Did they do this last week?

Posted by: Sam888 | February 14, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they did - though the comment that the woman in Faraday's flashback was his caretaker and specifically NOT his wife was interesting... what's his deal?

and the picture of the boy in the frame (at the house miles goes to visit the ghost) DEFINITELY changes from the time he walks in to the time he leaves... what's it's deal?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"Daniel's comment about the light is a clue about the unique properties of the island"

is the pop up supposed to be all-knowing? can we trust that?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else catch the guy in the airplane cabin who "appears" for a millisecond at the point in the show where Sayid is watching the waves and right as Juliet sits down with him on the beach in the "Confirmed Dead" episode?? It was really weird, like the boy in the window in the 3 Men and a Baby scene

Posted by: Guy in the Airplane Cabin | February 14, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I heard someone else say that this week - that they say someone there too... i missed it again, will have to rewatch!

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

oh nooooooooooo the chicago ABC station just cut to the press conference for the NIU shooting... if they cut into lost it's gonna suck...

still, heart goes out to all the students and families.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the "Guy in the Airplane Window" is just a production error (i.e. some guy who accidentally walked into the show).

Posted by: Anonymous | February 14, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

errr.. meant:

(i.e. some guy who accidentally walked into the shot).

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OK, So Sayid makes it back and he's RICH. Is he in Europe (Euros)?

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whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. anyone catch the guy that sayid shot's name? and why did he just leave him there, does he have some sort of police immunity? (could explain kate's normal existence...)

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Any thoughts on what Sayid's new job is?

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What's the "Payload"? And where did it land?

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