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Posted at 11:18 AM ET, 07/ 1/2008

Insta-Poll: Can Will Weather a Scientology Storm?

By Liz Kelly

Red carpet regular Will Smith at Sunday's 'Hancock' premiere in Hollywood. (Getty Images)

Will Smith may play a superhero on the big screen in this weekend's "Hancock," but -- at least among box office earners -- he comes close to actually being one in real life. His unprecedented run of July 4th box office smashes ("Independence Day," "Men in Black," "I, Robot") make him one of the surest things since sparklers for the Independence Day weekend. Those who prognosticate such things predict a $110 million opening weekend for Smith's portrayal of a reluctant man of steel.

But, just in time to foul up the Smith money-making machine, a potential turn-off lurks just under the surface of the holiday weekend movie hype: Scientology! As mentioned in yesterday's Morning Mix, Smith and wife Jada Pinkett-Smith have endowed a school that -- while it claims to have no ties to the church -- will nevertheless base its curriculum on the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard and employ several church members. With that in mind, we're set to find out if Smith is immune to the Scientological PR poison that tainted Tom Cruise's last big summer opening, 2006's "Mission: Impossible III." "M:I 3" made $47.7 million in its opening weekend -- nothing to sneeze at, certainly, but way off from "M:I 2's" $70.8 million and "War of the Worlds's" $77.1 million.

Smith is hardly barking at Matt Lauer, savaging Brooke Shields or doing this, but the stigma -- in part created by Smith's BOFA Cruise -- attached to the church may just have an effect on his box office karma.

It should be pointed out that this isn't the first whiff of Scientology to surround Smith and that he also has gone on record as saying the church wasn't for him.

By Liz Kelly  | July 1, 2008; 11:18 AM ET
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Comments

The reviews of the movie are drawing parallels to the teachings of Scientology. That can't be good for box office.

Posted by: ep | July 1, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

another boring post. off to search for more italian futbal players.

Posted by: sigh | July 1, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Tom Cruise being a scientologist isn't what hurt M:I3's box office. What hurt the B.O. was his erratic behavior and bizarre rantings. Look at John Travolta. Everyone knows he's a scientologist, no one cares. Everyone knows Madonna is into Kabbalah. No one cares. Jason Lee is a scientologist. People still watch Earl. The difference is that these people don't go spouting off about weird crap that makes them look like nutjobs. As long as Will Smith doesn't start calling Matt Lauer "glib" and go jumping on Oprah's couch, he'll be fine.

Posted by: fft5305 | July 1, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Scientology is a strange credo but is SOI-TEN-LEE not a religion.

The Smiths are guillty of child abuse for subjecting theri and other's kids to that meme.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | July 1, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

MI:3 gave bad BO for the reason most things give bad BO: it was a stinker! That flick had WAAAAAY bigger problems than just a nutjob Hubbard-speaking star.

Posted by: BxNY | July 1, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

what does BOFA mean?

Posted by: los angeles | July 1, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Well said, uh, fft5305. Scientology seems weird and creepy to me for a variety of reasons, but I'm not sure how many of them are valid criticisms and how many are just spillover from Tom Cruise's Crusiness.
Hmm. Psychology is evil...pay us more money to have your thetans raised...if you don't believe, you'll be sued by the minions of Xenu...Know what, I take that back, it's just creepy with or without Crusiness.

Posted by: Bawlmer | July 1, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

What he shouldn't do is a red carpet walk with Tom, Scientology pamphlets and a handler. Now that could turn a person off.

By the by, thanks for the video Liz. I will be unproductive for the rest of the day.


Posted by: petal | July 1, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Why does Will Smith deny scientology while studying it, financially supporting it and indoctrinating his children in its teachings? Is Will Smith naive or a liar?

Posted by: Kim | July 1, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Smith will probably be OK because he is a decent actor and can actually play a character other than himself.

Posted by: b | July 1, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Indoctrinating"?

That's an interesting choice of words: you don't often hear of children being "indoctrinated" into Anglicanism or Catholicism or Judaism or [insert name of your favourite superstition here]. Why would you use that word with Scientology?

Maybe Mr. Smith just wants to keep his private life private. Maybe he thinks being a Scientologist comes with unwanted scrutiny that others don't have to deal with - after all, no-one seems to be asking Brangelina what faith they're raising their kids in.

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Byoolin-

This is one of the things that fascinates me about Scientology--What qualifies as a religion? What is the line between religion and cult? How does a person's religious beliefs affect others' perception of that person? When is the word "indoctrinate" appropriate?

(Now it may also be the case that we do use the word "indoctrinate" in our household to refer to religious activities in general.)

Posted by: mouse, ducking to avoid the blowback | July 1, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Me, too, los angeles -- BOFA? Means bank of america to me, maybe she meant bff?

Posted by: ex-Los Angeles | July 1, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"What is the line between religion and cult?"

Exactly - that Dinner For Twelve that Leonardo painted was definitely a cult by any standard we'd use today. Somewhere along the line, enough people signed up and they got Religioned.

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I agree w/fft5305, it was his behaviour that ruined Cruise, AND the fact that apparently MI3 suck-diddly-ucked regardless of the stars.

Smith comes across as a much more likable person despite his mega-star status. He seems like you could invite him to your BBQ & he'd bring the beer, bust out the Fresh Prince theme & get jiggy with Grandma!

Posted by: Bored @ work | July 1, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

It was Cruise's behavior that hurt him, and the things that hurt him the most was his anti-psycology rant to Matt Lauer and his trashing of Brooke Shields. With those actions he insulted the tens of millions of people who depend on psychological treatment, be it medical or behavioral. And he did it in a way that directly linked it to his church.
As long as Will Smith doesn't tell people how horrible they are for not practicing the tennents of his religion, I think he'll be fine.

Posted by: MGC | July 1, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse


Narconon, Crimonon, and "study tech" all have only one purpose, to indoctrinate people into Scientology. Since this is the WP, I wonder if LEAF emails have been sent out to the Scientologist telling them to come to this comments section and make pro-Scientology statements.

Posted by: bob dobbs | July 1, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I do believe Bawlmer has provided a new term for Friday's glossary update: Crusiness. Only question is whether it should be spelled Cruisiness? Either way, though, it's delightfully close to Craziness.

Posted by: Nosy Parker | July 1, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I smell a Booby Canada - er, Kennedy - Day a-startin'.

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I think any celebrity who is actively associated with a religion is going to draw more scrutiny than others. And turn off movie-goers. Look at Mel Gibson and Jim Caveziel (I know I spelled that wrong). I think both have box office problems now that they are so vocal about their faiths. When celebs are quieter about their religious affiliations nobody really cares.

I think it just goes to show that we really don't want to know that much about celeb's personal lives - not that much anyways.

Watch out Heidi!

Posted by: Stuck@Work | July 1, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I read an article that pointed out the differences between scientology and mainstream religions. One of the most fascinating assertions is that not one of the mainstream religions require you to pay to get information, and release that information incrementally based on the amount you pay. I'll try to find the article. It was really well-written.

Posted by: £££ | July 1, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I think both have box office problems now that they are so vocal about their faiths.

What about the Osmonds? Kirk Cameron?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Will Smith helps kids and his friends. I like him.

Posted by: 2cents | July 1, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Here is the defination from Urban Dictionary.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BOFA

Doesn't really help.

Posted by: BOFA | July 1, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

£££, I remember that article too. Superb journalism. Does anyone recall where it ran, in the Post or elsewhere?

Posted by: Nosy Parker | July 1, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Check out Hubbard's vast knowledge of the origins of our solar system straight from the horse's . . . er, mouth . . .

http://vimeo.com/1227000

Posted by: Artoo45 | July 1, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't the Canadian version of BKD be something like Jean Chrétien Day?

Posted by: M Street | July 1, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

This just in:
Cnn is reporting that Ms. Jolie has checked into a hospital in southern France and will remain there until the twins are born. They would not say when the babies are due.

Posted by: sunnydaze with breaking news | July 1, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I'll get all you haters so look out.

Posted by: Xenu | July 1, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I was told by a friend that you had to pay to attend certain services (high holy days?) at the most popular synagogues. Buy tickets in advance and whatnot, like a rolling stones concert. True?

Until I heard this, I also believed that a distinguishing factor between cults and religions was the money angle.

Posted by: WDC | July 1, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

http://johnmcdermottfanpage.homestead.com/O_Canada.mp3

(in case you were missing his rendition at some Make Believes games)

Posted by: Especially for Byoolin | July 1, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't the Canadian version of BKD be something like Jean Chrétien Day?

Posted by: M Street | July 1, 2008 1:29 PM

This is fun. Maybe it's Rene Levesque Day! Or Brian Mulroney Day! James McGill Day? Champlain Day? Pierre Trudeau Day!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Margaret Trudeau Day?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Scientology, pshaw.

I worshop at the church Celebritology. My high priestess is Liz and one of her basic tenets is the concept of box office karma: if you do something incredibly dumb or strange, the BOX OFFICE will get you!

When the BOX OFFICE gets you, you're cast off, never to be invited again to the Playboy mansion, your agent doesn't talk to you, only paparazzi will befriend you, YOU'LL NEVER WORK IN THIS TOWN AGAIN! Although Mel Gibson may take you out to dinner out of pity.

But we also believe in redemption via the comeback tour, a visit with Oprah!, community service and/or rehab.

Posted by: MoCoSnarky | July 1, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

MoCo, sign me up for that church. Umm, you don't charge to attend services do you?

Posted by: ep | July 1, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Margaret Trudeau Day?

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 1:47 PM

================================
The whole concept of BooBy Kennedy Day was the Freudian mispelling. Unless you wish to declare a Pierre Trusseau Day (it just doesn't work in French!!!!)

Posted by: MoCoSnarky | July 1, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Will and Jada do not strike me as ignorant people at all. They've home-schooled their own kids and a few others and have found some curriculum that really is successful. They are trying to help other kids. All of this other stuff is media relaying the propaganda from guys like Dobbs and Artoo.

Posted by: marcus | July 1, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

To WDC,

Some synagogues charge a fee for ticket for holiday services, but it usually to cover the maintance costs, etc. Because at a place you usually get 100 people, will get like 400 for the holiday.

Also, you only pay for the tickets if you don't already contribute to the congregations. Why should people off the street benefit for something that other people support its upkeep all year?

I don't know how churches work, but I would guess that it would be the same as if people only came on Christmas and Easter expecting the Church to be there, but not doing anything during the year to make that happen.

Posted by: New York | July 1, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

£££, was this the article you were thinking of?

Inside Scientology: Unlocking the complex code of America's most mysterious religion, by Janet Reitman
Feb 23, 2006
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology

Posted by: Nosy Parker | July 1, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Two words in rebuttal of the idea that a distinguishing factor between cults and religions is the money thing:

Sistine Chapel

Posted by: byoolin says, no, not Christine Chapel. | July 1, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

All religions (and cults) are just groups of people who share the same fantasies and superstitions. In the USA some can claim they're not cults because the government "recognizes" them as religions. This honor was given to Scientology in 1993.

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how churches work, but I would guess that it would be the same as if people only came on Christmas and Easter expecting the Church to be there, but not doing anything during the year to make that happen.
_______________

Nope. It's always first-come, first-seated. Which means that if holiday services are really important, you have to get there way early.
Well, I guess Notre Dame in Paris has tickets to holiday services, but I don't think they charge for them. You just have to show up and claim some a few weeks in advance, which is a good way to guarantee that the regular parishoners aren't crowded out by tourists.

Posted by: WDC | July 1, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

There's a line in "Angels in America" that always (aldways?) amused me: "Any religion less than 2,000 years old is a cult."

Posted by: RiverCityRoller is a cultist, as she is a Pastafarian. | July 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

All of Scientology's "front groups" -- education, drug rehab, business management, etc. -- seek to recruit and indoctrinate new members for the cult. They all practice the Scientology "training routines", which can involve literally HOURS of looking at a spot on the wall, for example...

Posted by: Su Do Nimh | July 1, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

How about the nonrefundable contracts that members have to sign with Scientology? See:
So You Want To Be a Scientologist: All you have to do is sign this contract
by Bonnie Goldstein
April 30, 2008

Slate has a tantalizing Editor's note at the bottom of the page (no doubt in response to threats by Scientology lawyers): "Slate posted the contract in this space earlier today, but subsequently removed it." They still provide a hyperlink to the contract:
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology_cult_contract
However, the other hyperlink from Slate to the contract appears to be dead:
http://file.sunshinepress.org:54445/scientology-staff-contract.pdf

Posted by: Nosy Parker | July 1, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I do believe Bawlmer has provided a new term for Friday's glossary update: Crusiness. Only question is whether it should be spelled Cruisiness? Either way, though, it's delightfully close to Craziness.

Posted by: Nosy Parker | July 1, 2008 12:59 PM

Nosy, you are wholly correct; Cruisiness is a much better spelling. Study question: How does one define Cruisiness? Is it a phenomenon limited to the man in question, or are there other examples in popular culture?

Posted by: Bawlmer is enjoying the carm before the storm. | July 1, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Also, thanks for the article links, folks. Good stuff.

Posted by: Bawlmer | July 1, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey Byool! Jour heureux du Canada, tu hoser!

Do the Bloc Quebecois wear black on Canada Day?

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how churches work, but I would guess that it would be the same as if people only came on Christmas and Easter expecting the Church to be there, but not doing anything during the year to make that happen.

Posted by: New York | July 1, 2008 1:59 PM

There's that thing called tithing...Not mandatory, though. The offering plate isn't either, you can keep it passing, though you look silly not putting something in.

Posted by: WDC 21113 | July 1, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Bawlmer, you are so right that Cruise seems to be in a league by himself when it comes to Cruisiness. But I have faith, you should pardon the expression, that Lizards can think of worthy runners-up in the category.

Posted by: Nosy Parker | July 1, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

New York, plenty of people treat church exactly that way - show up only for Easter and Christmas and expect it to be there. (And it is.)

Posted by: h3 | July 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Do the Bloc Quebecois wear black on Canada Day?

Nope, they just wait till this Thursday for the quadricentennial of the founding of Quebec City.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes, there's "this old thing called tithing." In Scientology it's called a "scheduled donation" and it's a requirement to pay to advance to higher and higher levels of understanding of "God" or their creation myth. All in, some individuals have had to pay more than a million dollars to find out what Scientology is all about, only to find "God" revealed as a alien named "Xenu" who was an evil Psychiatrist.

Scientology's schedule of "tithes" isn't optional, and it's not based on a percentage of income. It is a set fee for access to "dogma" and designed to do nothing more than milk more and more money from members who, upon discovering the truth, are 80% or more likely to throw up their hands in disgust, leave, and potentially sue the "church" to get back their money once the depth of the scam is realized.

Posted by: AnonMSW | July 1, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

members who, upon discovering the truth, are 80% or more likely to throw up their hands in disgust, leave, and potentially sue the "church" to get back their money once the depth of the scam is realized.

Posted by: AnonMSW | July 1, 2008 2:23 PM

Which is precisely the reason for the no-sue clause in Scientology's contracts with new members.

Posted by: Nosy Parker | July 1, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

'Squatch: Yes, the Bloc do get all poopy on Canada day, those maudits têtes carrées. But you can't really see the difference compared to any other day of the year.

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I think I read that article comparing Cults/Religion on xenu.net, Check it out. Also, my Scientology friends tell me they don't believe they are a religion. That's only a story they feed to the public to Keep Scientology Working. They will say anything if it helps their cause of "clearing" the planet. Read the book "1984" by George Orwell for a taste of what a Scientology world would be like.

Posted by: Bob Newhart | July 1, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Hm, there's another sigh posting. Not that I own the word, but I wouldn't seek out a page, spend time reading it, and then take time to post and diss it as being boring either. Especially when it's not. Might be time for a name change, or just claiming the uppercase S.

Posted by: Sigh | July 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Study tech comes from the same guy who teaches his followers that the root of all evil in the universe is the evil pschiatrists, that only Scientology can cure cancer, and that you can fly and be a super hero like Hancock by giving his church tons of your money. I wouldn't trust my kids going to a school that uses anything from a man who came up with these nutjob ideas. Will Smith -1 fan.

Posted by: TG | July 1, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how the Quebec Summer Festival partially overlaps the Montreal Jazz Festival. I take it that the Quebec organizers want their festival to run over Quebec Day, and the Montreal festival organizers want their festival to run over Canada Day. Meanwhile, each festival cannibalizes some of the audience from the other. Exception being gringo cryptids like moi who have sampled both in the same week. It's only a 3-hour drive, a 3-hour drive....

Posted by: Gilligan's Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Smoking Gun can find and post a contract that Will or Jada signed with Scientology.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

actually, byoolin, angelina has indeed been asked about which faith she'll raise her kids in. she has answered that she'll teach them about all world religions and let them decide which, if any, they'll adhere to.

Posted by: wats | July 1, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I voted "no change". As long as a celeb is not annoying about thier beliefs, then I am not affected. If they are- ahem TC-- then I am less likely to enjoy a movie w/ them in it.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of cults, what about the Moonies? Don't they operate the so-called other newspaper in town? Are there celebrity Moonies?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The line between religion and cult? Does your religion violate the RICO act as a standard practice? If so, cult. Has your religion had high ranking members indicted for infiltration of the U.S. government? If so, cult.

If Smith continues to lie about his connection to Scientology, he's screwed. As for Hancock, every review I've seen says it's total crap as a movie, and with The Dark Knight coming out in a few weeks, I know which I'm going to spend my twenty bucks on.

Posted by: David Mudkips | July 1, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

If Angelina is going to teach her kids about all world religions, she must include the Church of the Frisbee and its god, Joe Pesci.

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Margaret Trudeau has bipolar disorder and should get TWO days.

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

By supporting the absurd ideas of scientology will and jada are engaging the serious manipulation of children.

btw, did mr and mrs smith graduate from high school.
these scientology cover schools are nothing more than trout farms, raising children, brainwashing children into a life of regimented misery.

save the children. shut down that school.

Posted by: LaNon | July 1, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Angelina said "that she'll teach them about all world religions and let them decide which, if any, they'll adhere to."

I didn't know that, wats, thanks. Here's hoping that at least one of 'em picks the Westboro Baptist Church, just to keep things interesting.

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Worship me, for I am prescient. Yesterday or so, someone said a Miley post or a Lindsay post were necessary for a BKD, and I said Cruisiness had inspired a BKD. And here's another in the makings.


RCR, Pastafarian, do you worship at the foot of his Noodly Appendages?

Posted by: epony | July 1, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"btw, did mr and mrs smith graduate from high school." - Posted by: LaNon

****

Why, do you want to challenge them to a Proper Sentence Construction & Punctuation Contest?

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Byoolin goes for a spit take:

"Why, do you want to challenge them to a Proper Sentence Construction & Punctuation Contest?"

==========================================

Splooooot!

And he scores!!!!

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I must admit I don't see the problem with the Smiths being Scientologists or Scientology. Whatever it takes to get through the day. I do think that if they are Scientologists, they should just announce and say "Next question".

but. . .

Will Smith's movies suck. They always suck. I never liked the schmaltzy crap he's churned out his entire career. I have no intention of viewing, listening, or wasting any time on any of the products associated with Will Smith.

Posted by: jelo | July 1, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

You can protest or criticize ANY religion in the world, other than the Muslim faith (brings on hatred and rage) and $cientology (brings on 'fair game' and litigation).

Posted by: MIA | July 1, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"All religions (and cults) are just groups of people who share the same fantasies and superstitions. In the USA some can claim they're not cults because the government "recognizes" them as religions. This honor was given to Scientology in 1993."

Not true, it's against the Constitution of the United States to "recognize" any religion, the Establishment clause. They just received tax exemption from the IRS in a still secret deal, along with allegations they tried to pressure IRS agents with blackmail. Sometimes Scientologists will say this and people from other countries might buy it, not knowing about US law, not to say that the poster is a Scientologist though. People need to educate themselves before saying that all religions are cults, it's just not true.

Posted by: bob dobbs | July 1, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Why yes, epony, I have been touched by his Noodly Appendage. Are you a fellow believer? I'd link to the site, but it is blocked from work because it is considered a cult by WebSense.

Pastafarians believe every Friday is a religious holiday and you shouldn't have to work and heaven contains a beer volcano.

Posted by: RiverCityRoller | July 1, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

More important than the PAY to PRAY aspect of Scientology is that the system is inherently evil. It is even worse than you think and destroys people. So any exposure to vulnerable people is wrong.

Posted by: euripides | July 1, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Its starting to look a little OPish over here. I think we have some infiltraters.

Posted by: They're Here... | July 1, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Angelina said "that she'll teach them about all world religions and let them decide which, if any, they'll adhere to."

Isn't that kinda like feeding them by throwing all kinds of food on the floor and just letting them eat whatever they pick up?

Posted by: Stick | July 1, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

jelo - there was some interview with Will on the tv guide channel last night and he told the interviewer that when he first tried to break into movies, he got together with his agent and they realized that "the top 10 grossing movies of all time were special-effects movies. And 9 of the top 10 had special effects and aliens. And 8 of the top 10 had special effects and aliens and a love story." And that's why he picked Independence Day and Men In Black. (And probably Wild, Wild, West, and I, Robot and a few others, too.)

So, yeah, there's a formula at work there.

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

RCR, I am ready to accept FSM into my life and be reborn, preferably in a more ziti-like form.

Posted by: epony | July 1, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

And, yeah, I am still the best thing that ever happened to Celebritology.

I'm still waiting for Liz to add me as a byline so that we can officially be:

"Celebritology with Byoolin... and Liz Kelly"

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm on a low-carb diet: can I still join the C of the FSM?

Posted by: byoolin believes in the trinity of the olive oil, the garlic and the marinara. | July 1, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Beer Volcano? I missed that part in the introductory pitch. I knew I liked the Pastafarians for a reason.

That and they don't bloody knock on your door early on Saturday morning to discuss whether or not you are saved.

Posted by: ep | July 1, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Can I be reincarnated as a packet of Roast Chicken flavor ramen?

Posted by: Bawlmer | July 1, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for Liz to add me as a byline so that we can officially be:

"Celebritology with Byoolin... and Liz Kelly"

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 3:10 PM

**********

I, too, am still waiting, if only because this jackass doesn't seem to have the nards to claim he's the host. Whaddya say, Liz Kelly?

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

only if I can be reincarnated as luvlinsey, bawlmer.

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Not true, it's against the Constitution of the United States to "recognize" any religion, the Establishment clause. They just received tax exemption from the IRS in a still secret deal

Posted by: bob dobbs | July 1, 2008 3:00 PM

I put "recognizes" in quotes for a reason. It's not like the government sees the religion and recognizes it on the street as a celebrity, or an old friend.

(The IRS -recognized- the church as a tax-exempt nonprofit organization.

These churches of Scientology and their related organizations are operated exclusively for -recognized- religious purposes.

Etc.)

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Google News Entertainment
http://news.google.com/nwshp?gl=&topic=e

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

People need to educate themselves before saying that all religions are cults, it's just not true.

Posted by: bob dobbs | July 1, 2008 3:00 PM

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Have you checked the dictionary lately?

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Apparently 501(c)(3) tax exemptions aren't limited to religions, cults, and scientologists alone:
http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=resources&page=NewsArticle&id=9055&security=1441&news_iv_ctrl=2422

Posted by: cult of one | July 1, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Bob Dobbs, I'm onto you!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs

Posted by: RiverCityRoller used to be a "Slacker" | July 1, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

People need to educate themselves before saying that all religions are cults, it's just not true.

Posted by: bob dobbs | July 1, 2008 3:00 PM

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Have you checked the dictionary lately?

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 3:24 PM
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Why? Am I in it yet?

byoolin: (noun) 1. easily the smartest, most dapper, and wittiest guy on Celebritology. 2. What most other Celebritologists aspire to be when they grow up.

byoolin: (verb) to dominate an online discussion through sheer force of will, allowing no one else to discuss a topic unless acknowledged as worthy of attention.

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"byoolin: (verb) to dominate an online discussion through sheer force of will, allowing no one else to discuss a topic unless acknowledged as worthy of attention."

This definition is probably the most accurate... Just kidding. Loves my byoo.

Posted by: jake e. poo | July 1, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

yo, byoolin, just carm down. You're the bestest here. We all love you. No need to lord it in our faces.

Posted by: p | July 1, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Some synagogues sell tickets to High Holy Day services as a way to collect some donations from people who only attend services once a year and aren't members of the congregation. Christian churches do the same thing by passing around the offering plate.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I like Will Smith. I wish he wasn't spending his money on this kind of Horsesh*t. It certainly changes my opinion of him when he can get sucked into a cult that treats celebrity like it is the second coming of Christ. Will, you should know better, they are playing on your ego, and you are now a chump in my book.

Posted by: AC2 | July 1, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Byoolin - there's a FORMULA to W. Smith's movies? I just thought he returned to the trough when Jada and kids ran out of polo 'onies and monets.

Posted by: ex cap | July 1, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The last time I was in a church that wasn't for a wedding or a funeral, they must have past around that plate 5 times during the first hour and a half. Finally I had to go. This was Baptist church, I had gone as a favor for a friend.

Posted by: jake e. poo | July 1, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

How often do they pass around the platter at Pastafarian services?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

More importantly, does a Pastafarian service include meatballs?

Posted by: Pebbles | July 1, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

frequently, but not until everyone has had an appetizer and salad.

Posted by: @ 3:49 | July 1, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the nice folks at Anonymous could organise a wake for the Fresh Prince's career, dignity and sanity?

Posted by: ser4ph1m | July 1, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Vegetarian meatballs for the Lizard-in-Chief.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing 'it's a little creepy' followed closely by 'who cares'.
May I suggest a little reading to those who don't understand how Scientology truly operates?
http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/2008/04/chapter-one-going-home.html

Posted by: f | July 1, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The reason Scientology is a cult and not a religion is because it's so secretive. Why else would they be so fanatical about their copyrights? Why even copyright it if you want it to be spread to the unCleared masses? The fact that the Church of Scientologyâ„¢ attacks Freezone Scientologists (Scientologists who practice without paying the CoS head office) proves they want to strictly control everything. That's not a religion, that's a cult.

And that doesn't even get into the pyramid scheme and business and criminal sides of the cult!

Posted by: Guillermo Fox | July 1, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

ser4ph1m - As funny as that sounds, it's exactly what the "Church" did to Nan McLean and her family when she left the cult back in the 70s: http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/mclean1.html (search the page for "mock funeral").

Posted by: Guillermo Fox | July 1, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The reason Scientology is a cult and not a religion is because it's so secretive.

Posted by: Guillermo Fox | July 1, 2008 4:04 PM

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Are the Masons a cult? The Mormons? The Amish?

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Masons aren't a religion.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Seeing Will Smith on Sixty Minutes on Sunday, he really does look like a happy guy with a nice family. Tom Cruise comes across as psycho.

Posted by: £££ | July 1, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

My point is if being "secretive" is what makes a group a cult, then the masons must be a cult.

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Seeing Will Smith on Sixty Minutes on Sunday, he really does look like a happy guy with a nice family.

But remember, he's an ACTOR. Rock Hudson didn't seem geigh till the end, either.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

1. The Mormons also protect copyrights.

2. The Catholic Church used to have a list of books and movies you couldn't see. And talk about pay as you go. Ever hear of indulgences?

3. that said, I think the control factor goes a little further with Scientology. Any group that requires you to have a minder with you at all times strikes me as a bit off. What are you so paranoid about that you can't trust your followers off on their own? Katie might buy a dress that fits? Someone might have an original thought?

Posted by: ep | July 1, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Are the Masons a cult? The Mormons? The Amish?

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 4:12 PM

I don't know, maybe Liz can post something inflammatory about the Amish and we can see if they start spamming the board.

"May the lord smite ye Celebritologists for testifying that Jacob Hostetler's wife Lindsay weareth the unclean leggings with kneepads!"

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The reason Scientology is a cult and not a religion is because it's so secretive.

Posted by: Guillermo Fox | July 1, 2008 4:04 PM

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Are the Masons a cult? The Mormons? The Amish?

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 4:12 PM

oh no, pants, did you really have to go there? i am sure we can draw in more crazies today who will defend/attack masons, mormons and amish. can we get back to the pastafarians? this is a much more interesting group with wonderfully nutritious benefits

Posted by: oh no | July 1, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the ad at the top of the page is for Tom Cruise and his 25 year career. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: ep | July 1, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Are the Masons a cult? The Mormons? The Amish?

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 4:12 PM

*****

Also, are The Cult Masons, Mormons or Amish?
And what about The Jesus And Mary Chain?

Posted by: byoolin | July 1, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. I was just trying to respond to Guillermo Fox and it didn't occur to me that mason-ites, mormon-ites or amish-ites (or byoolin-ites) would show up to defend themselves and make a mess.

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I have "ites"?

Cool.

Posted by: byoolin will probably go mad with power, just as Faux Byoolin foretold. | July 1, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

at the church of pastafarian is there garlic bread? i love garlic bread and if i have to pay to enter the pastafarian garlic bread inner circle then so be it.

Posted by: melissamac1 | July 1, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope the Pastafarian altar wine is of better quality than the Catholic altar wine that the priests use to get the altar boys drunk so that they...........

....never mind......

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

ites?

Scratch that, Byool.

They're mites.

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

You don't know the history of Scientology, Lizards. I do.

Posted by: Tom Cruise | July 1, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Google Study Tech and Applied Scholastics and you'll find NOT A SINGLE LEGITIMATE EDUCATING EXPERT think these work, and some believe they are hurtful. The head of private/religious schools in California, believes this school is wrong for hiding it's
Scientology base.

Posted by: enturbulation.org | July 1, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't like to get into discussions about religion because it's such a personal thing.

Having said that, it seems to me that for many people (myself included) believing that there is a loving, powerful, creative presence who is interested in me gives me a calmness and strength that helps with dealing with life as I live it. If some think this is superstition or nonsense, oh well. Whatever works.

Money and religion, unfortunately, are linked by the culture and economic necessity.

Scientology, on the other hand, is not religion. It's a science fiction fantasy gone public. I have no idea why thy use the cross in their logo. The cross is a Christian symbol and Scientology is not a Christian-based belief system. Scientology was declared a "religion" for tax purposes only. (There's the money angle again.)

Posted by: Curmudgeon | July 1, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Nosy Parker, thanks for the link to the RS article. It might have been the article I read, although I don't remember having read Rolling Stone recently.

The RS article does have a similar comment: "Still, religious scholars note that this is an untraditional approach. "Among the things that have made this movement so controversial," says S. Scott Bartchy, director of the Center for the Study of Religion at UCLA, "are its claims that its forms of therapy are 'scientific' and that the 'truth' will only be revealed to those who have the money to purchase advancement to the various levels leading to 'being clear.' It is this unvarnished demand for money that has led many observers to opine that the entire operation looks more like a business than a religion."

Posted by: £££ | July 1, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

So if the Pastarfarians have meatballs with their pasta, do Pastafarians take the meatballs as part of communion? Does the Pastafarian minister distribute with meal with the invocation, "Body of Pasta"? If so, what does the communicant reply? "Yes, with read sauce."?

I wonder about these things as I procrastinate from testing software.

Posted by: Sasquatch channels George Carlin | July 1, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

melissamac1, Al Pinheiro sends fresh "stinking rose" direct from Gilroy for Pastafarian garlic bread.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

And pants, your analogy to the Masons isn't a good one because they don't claim to be a religion with tax-exempt status. Mormons require tithing, but it's a flat 10% of their income. They do not have to pay more to get additional religious information. They do not actively court Hollywood stars. They provide information to those interested without cost or question. There is simply no direct comparison for Scientology within mainstream religions, including Mormonism.

Posted by: £££ | July 1, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Scientology is basically a multilevel marketing scam. You have to keep paying more money to rise to the next level. And then once you're there, they announce you need to pay even more because of some new knowledge that's necessary. What really seperates a cult from religion is that a cult requires you to abandon your family and friends and only associate with other members. Physical and emotional isolation is central to how cults brainwashing people. If you were allowed to associate with regular people outside of the pressure cooker of the cult you would realize how bizarre the cults beliefs are.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

In response to today's Morning Mix, Byoolin exclaims:

"Jason Alexander as 'Death'? Are you f****** KIDDING ME?"
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I can think of one setting in which that would work well: Woody Allen's "Love & Death"

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey what is with all the Amish hate? Leave the Amish alone. You are just jealous because they get to ride in those cool buggies and eat yummy fresh food and they have those warm cozy quilts. They are so cool.

Posted by: luvAmish | July 1, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

What have I got against Scientology, besides TomKat?


This:

http://ifitandhealthy.com/wp-content/images_celeb/kirstie-alley-fat-again-weight-gain.jpg

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Later lizards. I am going home to make, yep, you guessed it - pasta, probably with meatballs and garlic bread. I blame you RCR!

Posted by: sunnydaze | July 1, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

And pants, your analogy to the Masons isn't a good one because they don't claim to be a religion with tax-exempt status.

Posted by: £££ | July 1, 2008 4:41 PM
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I never said the masons are a religion.

It wasn't a comparison or an analogy.

Actually, that it wasn't a good analogy was kind of my point.

I know they aren't a religion. I wasn't trying to imply they are a cult. (Though they do say you have to believe in a "supreme being."). He made the secretive comment and all I was saying was if that's what it takes to make a cult, do the masons qualify as a cult? I don't think they do. I think his secretive comment was simplistic and incorrect - and I presented the other groups as evidence.

Posted by: pants | July 1, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Do the pastafarians serve fresh Parmesan cheese or that crap in a can?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

where's the cake?

Posted by: Abe Polin | July 1, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I can think of one setting in which that would work well: Woody Allen's "Love & Death"

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 4:45 PM
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Sasquatch, don't ever insult Woody Allen again, jackass.

Posted by: byoolin isn't a jackass, but Sasquatch might be | July 1, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The crap in the green can is sacrilegious and should be a venial sin.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The canned crap does not exist in the Lizard-sphere.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

fresh parmesan cheese in the pastafarian church is good, but sometimes, do to budget cuts, we have to go with the kraft "fresh" parmesan cheese in a can.
and 4:29 poster, i eagerly await my garlic bread. you may fedex it to me.

Posted by: melissamac1 | July 1, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

?????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The study tech is not the problem. The criminal organization that is Scientology is the problem! It should not be allowed near children, period.

It's not the tenets of Scientology that cause so much uproar, it's way those tenets are disseminated. It's the physical abuse by leader David Miscavige, the verbal and psychological abuse that is inherent in the organization, the brainwashing, the RPF, the forced abortions and disconnections, the horrendus treatment of the SEA ORG members, fair game etc..

With just a nub of a brain and a few keystrokes into GOOGLE, you can make up your own mind. It's not that hard to see how Scientology will fall under scrutinization.

If Mr & Mrs Smith refuse to do that much, if they REFUSE to look at the FACTS - then they deserve what they get.

Probably a good school too, but painting L. Ron Hubbard as anything but a CON MAN does a disservice to the community. The critical thinking of the young minds they hope to indoctrinate are worth more!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!
www.exscientologykids.com
http://forum.exscn.net/index.php

Posted by: truthseeker | July 1, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Cults have certain similar threads. They usually require individuals to cut off contact to friends and family. They require money, purportedly owed to the group in various forms of obligations. Cults generally require individuals to swear loyalty to their leader, not a deity (much like Hitler did). Cults are secretive and do not welcome unsolicitied new members -- they prefer to psychosocially vet people to ensure a desired personality type.

Masons, Mormons, Scientologists, and even the Amish fit some criteria. Scientology meets just about all the criteria for a cult. Rather than psychosocially vetting their members, though, they are vetting members by socioeconomic status. That's a new twist.

Posted by: £££ | July 1, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. We're getting dangerously close to courting the On Faith crowd, which will strike forth with mighty vengeance and furious anger to a much greater degree than On Parenting did.

Liz, did you not learn anything from our mistakes last week?

Posted by: £££ | July 1, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who uses all caps or more than one exclamation point in a post must go to On Faith. Now.

Posted by: £££ | July 1, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

byoolin, you alright? 4:58 you or Faux Byoolin? I can't tell sometimes. Signed off like you.

Posted by: *eep* | July 1, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

We have gotten way off track today. Where's the celebritology fluff? I don't come here for heavy discussion of religious issues. I come here for meaningless gossip about attractive rich losers who I recognize from tv and magazines. If I want heavy stuff, I will go somewhere else.

New topics, please: Britney Spears! Amy Wino! Naomi Campbell! Barry Manilow (hey, isn't he Canadian?)! Keep it light.

Posted by: Keep to our mission as celebritologists! | July 1, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

4:58 did not have Byool's usual tone. Hence my "?????.." reply.

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

If we're talking Barry Manilow, should we not be singing about him with this tune from The Producers?

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/theproducers/keepitgay.htm

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Actually Scientology does psychologically vet potential recruits. Go to almost every shopping mall and you will find a kiosk with a person offering a free personality test. They are Scientologists.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

There are pod people here.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | July 1, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I would hope by now most of you can tell the real byoolin from my doppleganger. You must be new, *eep*

Posted by: byoolin- the brand you can trust! | July 1, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Actually Scientology does psychologically vet potential recruits. Go to almost every shopping mall and you will find a kiosk with a person offering a free personality test. They are Scientologists.

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 5:20 PM
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If you fail the personality test, does that make you a Scientologist?

Posted by: ... | July 1, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

melissamac1, here's an easy-fix Gilroy Garlic Bread recipe:
http://www.razzledazzlerecipes.com/savory-breads/gilroy-garlic-bread.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

RE: If you fail the personality test, does that make you a Scientologist?

Yes, as a matter of fact, it does.

Think of Tom Cruise saying, " . . . pfffft, bang, psssscht, pow, sssshhhhhhah, WOW!".

I rest my case.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | July 1, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

luvlinsey amuses me, but I'm getting really tired of bitter faux byoolin. Go somewhere else, jerk.

Posted by: alex | July 1, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Think of Tom Cruise saying, " . . . pfffft, bang, psssscht, pow, sssshhhhhhah, WOW!".

I rest my case.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | July 1, 2008 5:28 PM
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It went "Zip!" when it moved,
And "Pop" when it stopped,
And, "Whirrr" when it stood still.
I never knew just what it was
And I guess I never will!

...so I guess that makes Tom Cruise a less-than-marvelous toy?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

It went "Zip!" when it moved,
And "Pop" when it stopped,
And, "Whirrr" when it stood still.
I never knew just what it was
And I guess I never will!

...so I guess that makes Tom Cruise a less-than-marvelous toy?

Posted by: | July 1, 2008 5:34 PM

Well, apparantly Nicole Kidman thought so...

Posted by: Kevin | July 1, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Buttery Gilroy Garlic Bread
http://articlemarketing.name/Default.aspx/News/Buttery-Garlic-Bread-Offers-Taste-Of-California/3299/

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Whatever did Nicole see in Tom? Was he less insane back then, or was she more insane?

I /liked/ Kirstie Alley back in the day. She was a babe before she knocked over a Krispy Kreme. It's a shame Scientology gets such hot looking women. Any chance that Jessica Simpson or Britney Spears are members?

Posted by: Reginald | July 1, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Well, Lisa Marie Presley is rather fugly.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Video of scrumptious Gilroy Garlic Bread from Festival:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBPWKS5p3z0

Posted by: Chad | July 1, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Lisa Marie Presley nailed the Vampira impersonation in "Ed Wood" though.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

My garlic bread recipe:

get some bread

put it in the toaster

put some garlic butter on it

eat it

Posted by: Curmudgeon | July 1, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Mudge, what's your garlic butter recipe? Promise us it doesn't use garlic salt.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

My friend told me that Will Smoth will have to pay over $100,000 to scientology to learn about our Evil Galactic Overlord...Xenu. Is this true? This Xenu alein guy thingy sounds very powerful! I need to know moare about this Xenu...do I need to join scientology to learn moare about him?

Posted by: Pipster | July 1, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

My garllic butter recipe

you get some butter

you squash the butter

you squach a clove of garlic

you mix the butter and garllic and squash it some more

you spread it on the toast

you sprinkle some green things on it

you eat it

Posted by: Curmudgeon | July 1, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

shove off pipster! txt n bad nglish iz my turf. find ur own blog liek achenllog n leave dina alone! linsey rules!

Posted by: luvlinsey | July 1, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Fien ll...Sorry, didn't realize you own the interbutts. Leave Michael and his secret love child alone and then I will row down the stream!

Posted by: Pipster | July 1, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Sasquatch - anything after 4.30 and before this purporting to be from byoolin, wasn't.

Posted by: speaking of jackasses... | July 1, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

er, 4.32, actually. I must have left the office a little late.

Hasta manana, all.

Posted by: speaking of jackasses... | July 1, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Where was the uproar when Mimi was converting and indoctrinating poor innocent Tom?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

£££, your apology is accepted.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

is there a full moon or something? does the mere mention of scientology bring out the wack jobs?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

None of us thought Mimi was really a woman or would be able to persuade Tom.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

thanks, byoo.

Posted by: £££ | July 1, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

If I made the kind of money that Eddie Murphy made for his voice work in the Shrek series, you guys could call me Jackass all the way to the bank.

Posted by: Sasquatch | July 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

None of us thought Mimi was really a woman

Curious how Mimi and Nicole weren't able to have babies till they got rid of TC.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Teacher: "We're sorry Mr. Smith, your child's clay model of advanced calculus just wasn't mobius strip enough for us to pass him."

Will Smith: "Will auditing save him?"

Teacher: "Undoubtedly."

Posted by: EducatedInDelphi | July 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Go to www.ex-scientologykids.com and read about kids who grew up in scientology families experiences in the Delphi Academies; scientology schools which are based on Hubbard's "Study Tech."

Also, google Jason Beghe, an actor who recently left the cult after spending over a million $$ and gave an extended interview about his feelings about scientology. He called it a dangerous cult, among other things.

Posted by: Marcy Marcab | July 1, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

From knocking up Mel B to just knocking boots with Sly, Eddie Murphy might only have the sense of his Shrek namesake too.

Posted by: there is no Byoolin, only Zuul! | July 1, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

NO NO NO!!! Will Smith please don't do this to innocent children!!!!! UGH!

Posted by: Alex Todd | July 1, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

arrrrgh, scientology bad, we get it. Now go away already.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

how can we ignore you if you won't go away?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow - I leave work and you start talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Alsome.

Posted by: h3 | July 1, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Posted by: mediajunky | July 1, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please. Trying to get something started, huh? It's a non issue.

Posted by: Ollie | July 1, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

This is Will Smith.
This is scientology.

This is Will Smith's career on scientology!
(fried!)

Buh-bye!

You'd think he would have learned something from the whole cruise thing.

These celebrities are recruited and treated like kings in scientologist-land, meanwhile they treat there minions like absolute dirt.

And to anyone who feels differently, just google them. Seriously, that many complaints, that many issues? it's not rocket science to figure out...and it's not some persecution...it's FACT!

And I dare them to take me to court and sue me into proving that statement false!

Posted by: NuOrlenzLadi | July 1, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

I know way too much about this cult and how they treat non-celebrity members and what their longterm goals are for this planet. Regarding his movies, Will Smith will no longer receive my money or movie viewing time.

Posted by: Mary | July 2, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Will Smith's career? Toast. Cruise-crazy & Kirstie Allen-bloated. Fodder for late night schtick. (Your own doing, Will.)

Will Heidi Schaeffer(Will's agent)'s career survive? Well, let's see. For the last umphteenth month scientology was tied to crazy-cruise. For the last 48 hours scientology has been tied to Will Smith. Google news "scientology" = Will Smith. Bye-bye, Heidi!

Posted by: Jill | July 2, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

SCIENTOLOGY IS WORSE THAN YOU THINK!
GO TO XENU.NET TO LEARN WHY

Posted by: Skaanon | July 2, 2008 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Will Smith HAS funded a $cientolocrazy learning academy.

Basically he's using money his fans have paid him to build a CULT indoctrination centre for children.

The destructive teaching methodologies are based in hubbard babble.
New teachers have reported being given $cientology handbooks at the end of the interview.

$cientology is a big fat global scam.
Not even Will Smith can make the CULT of $cientology look good.

Goodbye fresh prince
Xenu is your homeboy now

BOYCOTT CELEBRITIES WHO SUPPORT THE CULT

Posted by: $CIENTOLOGY = CULT | July 2, 2008 4:19 AM | Report abuse

Interesting discussion on cults and religion. My 2 cents. The inner core of Scientology looks a lot like a David Koresh/Jamestown type of cult. There's a loony guy (David Miscavige) who locks himself up with his most loyal followers (Sea Org) at his fortified desert compound at Hermet, California, subjecting them to some pretty serious abuse (just Google coerced abortion, slave labor or child labor with Scientology and look at the number of hits). They are also a cult in that they use a variety of mind control techniques, such as group pressure, love bombing, isolation from loved ones and hypnotic techniques.

However, it is unique because they haven't dug a hole in the ground to passively await Armagedon. Instead, they believe mankind is cruel and will destroy itself in a few generations, unless the Homo Novis (as they call themselves) save the world with their superpowers.

For us not indoctrinated, this is a huge bait-'n'-switch scheme where people are to pay huge 'religious donations' to train their personal superpowers, which of course never materialize.

More problematic, to 'clear' the world (which is the cult's 1984-like objective) they have devised their own ethics system. Basically, anything that furthers Scientology is good. Some quotes from Scientology scriptures:

'Someone, someday, will say this is illegal. Let's make sure that by that time [we] are the one who say what is legal or not.'

'You can get away with murder as long as you are upstat [ie bring in money]'.

'If possible, of course, utterly destroy him [ie a critic of the cult].'

'We'd rather have you dead than incapable'.

Referring to the those that resist Scientology once they have taken over the world: 'Dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.'

Just Google these above statements. You'll be lead to scans of the original documents. Scientologists I have spoken to, do not deny these quotes, but merely say I do not understand them properly. Right.

There's a lot more, but this gives you a taste of what Scientology really is behind their cloak of a religion for successful Hollywood stars.

Posted by: Clogging along | July 2, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: kelly | July 2, 2008 5:13 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm,

Karballah or whatever, does not separate families, kill people, nor brainwash them to the point of mental degradation. SCIENTOLOGY does.

Posted by: Jason donovan | July 2, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Will
you are being duped---BIG TIME----and USED. The cult of scientology and the study tech is designed to teach a student to take what they read as truth. If they arent getting something they read-the study tech's only rule is that there is then something you dont get in the reading. It takes away ALL critical thinking under the guise of 'looking up words." So the student learns that if they disagree with what they are reading then it is their fault and they MUST find the word they dont get....

you are teaching your children and now others to be mind controlled by allowing a single scientology tech into yours and the schools life.

You are so naive and so wrong on this one.

rwad xenu.net to learn the truth. I am an ex scn so I know.

Posted by: BG | July 2, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Scientology is a nutty scam cult where up is down and down is up, all designed to break down resistance [to paying up the pyramid], while dangling a carrot of "super powers" in front of members.

There probably is little danger for the box office of stars UNLESS the plots of their films intersect with their cult beliefs. This is true for Valkyrie AND may be true for Hancock.

Their chronic dictionary use in Hubbard's bogus STUDY TECH, sounds okay but it is insane. People learn languages, native or foreign, from learning meanings by hearing or reading IN CONTEXT. Children learn their native language with no dictionary at all, and at a certain age, by getting a good reading habit going.

The children of Scientologists are NOTORIOUSLY poorly educated, using their methods. Will is in too big a bubble to have a clue about this.

Posted by: Marta Fratanawolsz | July 2, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Will Smith is a Scientologist. I think its time he comes out of the closet and tells everyone the truth.

Now that the crimes of the Cult of Scientology are center of attention, ANY Scientologist trying to use its Celebrity status to promote ANYTHING will face the wrath of ANONYMOUS at the premier.

They use their pocket book to help the CULT enslave innocent people and we intend to STOP the insanity!

Posted by: SNIFF | July 2, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

There are now countless ex $cientology member testimonials that outline this cults abuses. But to indoctrinate children at an early age and through their formal education is tantamount to child abuse.

This is not a benign alien religion.
This is a well funded, misled and misdirected CULT.

$cientology has tentacles in many different companies and faux social services. The use of 'front groups' is an entrenched and long time practise of this cult. Staying under the radar, surreptitiously introducing $cientology jargon and methodologies is what it does best.

And as for legitimate study 'tech' from this organisation - I think not.
Just a mish mash of out dated or plagiarised pseudo self help malarkey with a touch of brain washing thrown in for good measure.
As if our children need more problems in their lives?

Has this cult just got too big?
Is it just too hard for Government agencies to start to investigate the web of businesses that feed this out of control mafia like monster that is $cientology?

Whatever Tom Cruise or Will Smith endorse should be of concern as they use their celebrity to influence people. It's a case of who they know not what they know that makes them dangerous envoys for this cult.

$cientology a religion?
Only the very uniformed or very misguided would believe it.
Which are you Will?

Posted by: BOYCOTT CULT CELEBS | July 2, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

It is very revealing that Smith is ashamed
to reveal he is a scientologist but is
behaving in a shady fashion regarding his
so-called school (it uses scio tech but--no
it's not scio).

Posted by: Bill | July 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Jesus was a Pedophile!"

"The only way to control someone is to lie to them."

"Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic bomb) burns."

"Don't ever defend. Always attack. Don't ever do nothing. Unexpected attacks in the rear of the enemy's front ranks work best."

"A truly Suppressive Person or group has no rights of any kind and actions taken against them are not punishable."

"Actually Dianetic is a bad thing. Its a throughly vicious thing. If it were not for the fact that the earth is a prison and it doesn't matter what happens to it. It would be a rough deal to release Dienetic. For there are those who try to control this system and because Dianetics allows you to control."

You can listen to L Ron Hubbard say that last one yourself at http://glosslip.com/2008/06/19/scientology-founded-on-principles-of-dark-magic-dark-psychology/#comment-50006

This kind of thinking, teaches people the earth is a prison and that things like pyramid schemes & murder aren't necessarily a bad thing. Because the victim well just be reborn, most likely to a better situation. Protect our children from the CULT!!!

Posted by: L Ron Hubbard. | July 2, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I am glad the haters are here posting comments. That gives the people who are actually out there doing something to help more time.

Posted by: Willie | July 2, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I am glad the haters are here posting comments. That gives the people who are actually out there doing something to help more time.

Posted by: Willie | July 2, 2008 1:39 PM

What does that make you?

Just like the rest of the cult. You make no sense.

Posted by: ANON | July 2, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Best Tom Cruise Video EVER!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZdhA5uMX_k

True Cruisiness... Do we really want these people educating our children?

Posted by: ANON | July 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Let's see Willie,

What is it exactly that you do to help? Oh, that's right, you have little tables set up to give free "stress tests" and "personality tests" so you can drag "fresh meat" into your cult and get your commission. How alturistic of you! Then you sit back and ignore the fact that your cult practices modern slavery and has a prison system so vile that it would be outlawed in the secular world. And let's not forget that your cult deprives women of the right choose motherhood if she belongs to your evil Sea Org because it forces pregnant women to seek abortions. Yeah, I'm a hater, a hater of evil entities calling themselves a church!

PS: The above quotes are exactly as used by scientology!

Posted by: KAOS! | July 2, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

its sometimes hard to distinguish between a religion and a cult but that doesn't mean there is no difference. but other words can be used. Scientology practices hard sell tactics and is not up-front about many of their beliefs. frequently scientologists will lie about their beliefs as well. we can call that fraud for instance.

scientologists performed the greatest infiltration of the us governemtn in our history (google "operation snow white"). 11 scientologists, including hubbards wife, went to prison. we can call that criminal.

In upper levels, scientologists who work for the organizations are pressured to have abortions and to sever all ties from their families. Many ways to describe that.

call scientology whatever you want, as long as you realize it is dangerous. I prefer to just say it is a cult.

Posted by: mash | July 2, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I refuse to give money to the cult by supporting those who are members of this suppressive cult.

Sorry Will, but no money from me.

Posted by: J | July 2, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

KAOS

Good point. I told you you would give them more time.

Posted by: Willie | July 2, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Willie my boy,

You, your little tyrant Davie boy Miscavige and your cult are on borrowed time. And you homophobic Homo Novis know it!

Posted by: KAOS! | July 3, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 2:37 AM | Report abuse

KAOS.

Anytime.

Posted by: Willie | July 3, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

I am a Scientologist and when I see a movie I look at it and deciede if I like it or not. I don't say in this movie there is a member of the religion XYZ so I will not watch the movie...
Otherwise if I will not have to see movies where actors are following religions with strange ideas probably I will not be able to see any movie... (born by virgin mother, waking on water, etc etc etc etc)

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 4:24 AM | Report abuse

"MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY."

- L. Ron Hubbard, (founder of $cientology)
HCO, Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384

Posted by: L. Ron is gone - but the con lives on | July 3, 2008 5:43 AM | Report abuse

"[The court record is] replete with evidence [that Scientology] is nothing in reality but a vast enterprise to extract the maximum amount of money from its adepts by pseudo scientific theories... and to exercise a kind of blackmail against persons who do not wish to continue with their sect.

Judge Paul G. Breckenridge

Posted by: scientology = cult | July 3, 2008 5:44 AM | Report abuse

THESE CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE TAUGHT WITH THIS MIND BENDING PARANOID GARBAGE.

Academics have pulled all this Hubbard drivel apart and labelled it MIND CONTROL. Sending children to auditing and the like is child abuse.

There is a website set up by former $cientology children
exscientologykids.com

One of the founding members is the niece of the current leader of $cientology. She has spoken out about the abusive regime in $cientology schools and 'teaching'. She was recently interviewed on nightline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJu-j4aa90Q

All $cientology wants is your money - and they don't care who gets hurt along the way. GET REAL PEOPLE - WAKE UP

Posted by: What are you doing Will? | July 3, 2008 5:59 AM | Report abuse

Willie,

You make no sense...not even a little bit. But then you find your spiritual self in the writings of a charlatan who's main focus was separating you from your money. If not for you and other gulible followers like you he would have died poor. Instead, it is you who will die poor as he had something like $400 million when he died.

And remember this, when you realize everything you believe in is a sham they will still have your PC folders. Just because you think those are confidential doesn't make it so, there is NO written confidentiality agreement and everything in your folder will be used against you to force you to keep paying up. Good luck with that!

David Miscavige mocks you and the others every day believing that garbage and sending him your money...

Posted by: KAOS! | July 3, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"I am a Scientologist and when I see a movie I look at it and deciede if I like it or not. I don't say in this movie there is a member of the religion XYZ so I will not watch the movie..."

Posted by: | July 3, 2008 4:24 AM

Ok.. Let me break it down for you.

1. Your Cult is Destructive and destroys Families.
2. Will Smith Just gave 1 million dollars to the cult to help them destroy families.
3. If we "boycott" the Co$ members projects they wont be able to do this anymore.
4. Eventually, "NOBODY" well hire these people and they wont be able to promote the Cult with our movie money.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/06/AR2005070601374.html

"The Life & Death of a Scientologist
After 13 Years and Thousands Of Dollars, Lisa McPherson Finally Went 'Clear.' Then She Went Insane" By Richard Leiby

Thanks for the link on today's chat, Liz

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey, if anyone's interested in learning about Scientology, here is some educational material. You'll quickly find out just how dangerous and ugly the cult really is.

Read some news and magazine journalists: the 1991 Time Magazine article, the 1986 Forbes piece, the six-part 1990 Los Angeles Times series, the 1980 Reader's Digest article, the Pulitzer Prize-winning 1980 St. Petersburg Times series on the takeover of Clearwater, the 2006 Rolling Stone article, the 1984 Sunday Times Magazine piece, the 1968 Life magazine article, the 1986 L.A. Weekly article, the 1994 Washington Post article, the 1997 New York Times article on their tax-exempt status, the 1980 American Lawyer piece on Scientology's war against judges, the 1999 New Times L.A. piece on the takeover of the Cult Awareness Network, or the eight-part 2001 New Times L.A. series.

Or see what television journalism has to say: watch the 1998 20/20 report, 1998 Dateline NBC report on Bob Minton, the 1998 CBS Public Eye report on Lisa McPherson, the 1968 British documentary "The Shrinking World of L. Ron Hubbard", the 1998 Panorama expose, the 1999 German documentary "Missing in Happy Valley", the 1995 The Big Story expose "Inside the Church of Scientology", the 1985 60 Minutes report, the 1998 A&E special "Inside Scientology", the 1997 Secret Lives report on L. Ron Hubbard, the 1997 60 Minutes report, the 2006 Anderson Cooper report on the Nevada vault, the infamous 2007 Panorama investigation "Scientology and Me", the 1992 Nightline report with an interview of David Miscavige, or the Nightline report from April 24 of this year.

Or some book-length journalism: Russell Miller's Bare-Faced Messiah (1987), Jon Atack's A Piece of Blue Sky (1990), Paulette Cooper's The Scandal of Scientology (1971), L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman? (1987), Robert Kaufman's Inside Scientology (1972), George Malko's Scientology: The Now Religion (1970), or Stewart Lamont's Religion Inc. (1986).

Or government inquiries: Australia's 1965 Anderson Report, the UK's 1971 Foster Report, New Zealand's 1969 The Dumbleton-Powles Report, or Canada's 1970 Lee Report.

Or court decisions: Armstrong v. Church of Scientology (L.A. Superior Court Case No. C420153 1984), Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology (212 Cal. App. 3d 872, Cal. App. 2d Dist. 1989), Allard v. Church of Scientology (58 Cal.App.3d 439, Cal. App. 2d Dist. 1976), or the 23 July 1984 UK High Court of Justice decision by Justice Latey.

Or see what the scholars have to say: the September 2003 issue of the Marburg Journal of Religion.

And then finally, just Google the names of the people responsible for these reports and see how the Church tried to destroy their lives.

Posted by: Dave2 | July 3, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Smith said that Tom taught him how compatible Scientology is with other religions.

I wish someone would help Will Smith understand what Scientology is REALLY about.

Will if you're reading this ...

Scientology teaches that other religions (like Christianity) are false memories implanted by Xenu's evil psychiatrists.

Posted by: Joseph | July 3, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Why can't an actor's movies be reviewed for their content and production values without including his religion?

It seems that way too many people are concerned about an actor's religion and that is completely different than respecting his privacy or personal lifestyle choices, whatever they are.

Posted by: J | July 3, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

J,

Because Tom Cruise throws his religion up into everyone's face, or did until Redstone kicked his ass to the curb.

And then there's the fact that these celebutards donate MILLIONS of dollars to a cult that forces other members to work 80 hour weeks for $37. Or that it forces abortions on members. Or that has it's own private prison system (RPF).

The list of abuses goes on and on, but you don't want to believe that about your cult so you bury your head in the sand and deny the truth. That makes you as culpable as David Miscavige, Tom Cruise, John Carmichael, LRH, Mary Sue Hubbard and others in my book!

Posted by: KAOS! | July 3, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

KAOS.

Is that all you got?

Posted by: Willie | July 3, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

The movie sucked. He went to the well one time too many. Just because you say a few curse words doesn't mean the formula changes. I don't know anything about this Scintology stuff, but it's like you have a great career, get into it, and start making bad choices. I don't know if I buy all the negative hype about it, but it sure looks like career poison to me.

Posted by: Dingo | July 4, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Some people make movies. Some people write about them.

Posted by: Willie | July 4, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Willie, do you realize how desperate and pathetic you seem?
You are trying so hard to discredit critics that you just end up proving to the readers that the people who defend scientology are usually jerks. Why do you think scientology is failing to win sympathy from the public right now?
Do you really think that scientology's "attack, never defend" policy is what's best for the organization right now?
Don't you think it's time for a strategy change?
It's taken less than half a year to ruin the cult's control of the media and it's image. All your cult's "secret scripture" is available on wikileaks and continues to leak damning internal documents.
Come on OSA and etc., quit being so lazy and predictable and try giving anon & critics an actual challenge.

Posted by: Martin | July 7, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I am less likely to see his movies now. I really liked him as a person and actor, too. I'm bummed he can be so misinformed and misled. I will not knowingly give ANY of my money that will help fund that greedy cult.

Posted by: Sharla | July 7, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Martin.

Maybe. But I still side with the artist. They make something.

Posted by: Willie | July 7, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

These celebrities donate MILLIONS of dollars to a cult that forces other members to work 80 hour weeks for $37. It forces abortions on members.

scientology even has it's own private prison system (RPF): The Rehabilitation Project Force. If a cult member doesn't bring in enough fresh recruits, they are sent off for "rehabilitation".

Is that something you want to encourage???

The list of abuses goes on and on. These people should be in prison.

Posted by: Luana1980 | July 7, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am a Scientologist. I took my first course in Scientology in 1978 because I was failing in college and I could not understand why I would be messing up something I really wanted to do. I then received a full scholarship because of my improved grades and graduated. I now have my own business in the field of my choice. My parents are still living and although they are not scientologists, I have a very good relationship with them and always have. I have a child, and consider her to be the most important part of my life. In raising my child I try to give them the best tools available to handle life. The study technology developed by L. Ron Hubbard is the best I have found. In all my years I have never truly felt what it was like to be discriminated against because of my beliefs until now. Kind regards, RGD

Posted by: RGD | July 8, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Hi RGD, sorry you feel that you are being discriminated against because people have decided to stand up for the victims of your cult instead of buying into your infomercial-style "testimonial." The fact that it was beneficial to you, does not undo, or even begin to justify, the suffering other people have experienced as a result of your cult.
It sucks that you feel discriminated against because of it's reputation, but maybe your cult's officials should have thought about that before committing the long list of misdeeds that have given ALL of scientology the nasty reputation it now has.
Instead of moaning and whining about your cult's public image and blaming us for it, why don't you take action within the organization to fix the issues in order to work towards gaining society's trust?

Posted by: Markay Bayan | July 9, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I'll give you a dollar if your name is Markay.

Posted by: Willie | July 9, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Willie, you already know my moniker is a parody on "marcabians" and the "marcab confederacy" from scientology's ridiculous "space opera" scriptures. Thanks for bringing it up though, it gives readers something funny to google.
But screen names are irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

What IS relevant, is the criminal nature and history of the scientology cult and the celebrities who's careers are being destroyed by their involvement with it.

Instead of trying to distract and divert people from the actual topic why don't you try addressing the actual issues brought up in some of the earlier comments?
I'll give you a hundred dollars if you can do so without being caught in a lie or "acceptable truth."

Posted by: Markay Bayan | July 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Markay.

Topic: Can Will Weather a Storm

$112,359,061 - 7/07/08

Posted by: Willie | July 9, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Box office performance still did not meet box office expectations.
His career IS suffering from his association to the cult.

Posted by: Markay Bayan | July 9, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I understand. I wish you the best.

Posted by: Willie | July 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Will Smith's latest action hit "Hancock" dominated the international box office this weekend with a stunning $78.3 million in ticket sales in 50 territories, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Along with its five-day domestic gross of $107.3 million, Peter Berg's film brought its worldwide total to $185.6 after just a few days in release. That's not a bad result for Will Smith, who proved yet again he's still a global box office hero.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Riiiiight, and that's why reviews from non-scientologists have pretty much concluded that the movie is a disappointment and question Smith's judgment in accepting a role in such a poorly written movie. HanCOCK has pretty much been forgotten in anticipation of Hellboy, Journey to the center of the earth, and of course, Batman.
There are still many people who are unaware of Smith's association with that nasty scientology cult, his career will continue to decline the more it comes to light. More and more people are learning about the criminal nature of that cult every day.
Smith would do well to distance himself from them ASAP.

Posted by: Joan | July 11, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

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