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Posted at 10:55 AM ET, 09/12/2008

Friday List: Line in the Sanz

By Paul Williams

If your sister was engaged to, let's say, George Clooney, I suspect there would be a strong temptation to try to work this into every conversation. For instance, when making plans, you might say, "Hey, let's go see 'Burn After Reading,' that new Clooney movie. Did you know he's engaged to my sister?" Or if someone was talking about how much they liked "Dark Knight," you might respond that your favorite superhero movie is "'Batman and Robin,' the one with George Clooney, my future brother-in-law, as Batman." Or if you broke your foot, you might tell the doctor "Do you know who else has feet? George Clooney, my sister's fiancé, who once played a doctor on TV."

On the other hand, when news came down last month that Lindsay Lohan's dad Michael was engaged, my first thought was: "If Michael Lohan's intended was my sister, I would tell no one and I would hope no one ever found out." I would be uncomfortable whenever one of the Lohan clan was mentioned around me, feeling like maybe I should bring it up first, so I could spin it with a "she's always had terrible taste in men, I've told her and told her not to do it."

In honor of this idea, I would like to introduce the Sanz Line. Baseball fans probably know about the Mendoza line, named after shortstop Mario Mendoza. If a player had a higher batting average than Mendoza, he was considered to be having an adequate or better season; below Mendoza, he was really struggling.

The Sanz Line, named after "SNL's" Horatio Sanz, works on a similar principle. Horatio Sanz is exactly in the middle of the spectrum. If a family member was engaged to him or her, you wouldn't be embarrassed if people knew about it, but you wouldn't go out of your way to bring it up, either.

Ignoring the low-hanging fruit of the Hasselhoffs, the Winehouses and the Hiltons of the world, here's how I would rank a sampling of eligible celebs, from happiest to have join the family to most distressing.

George Clooney
Cate Blanchett
Natalie Portman
Tom Brady (ranked higher before the knee injury)
Steve Martin
Ewan McGregor
Seth Rogen
Steve Buscemi
Robert Downey Jr. (kinda cool, but with some pretty big question marks)
Owen Wilson (see above)
Mike Myers (just barely)

(Above this point: Totally Cool In-Law Material)

================ Horatio Sanz =========================

(Below this point: Family Secret)

MC Hammer
K-Fed
Dane Cook (exception: you're talking to your fraternity brothers)
Tom Cruise
Eddie Murphy (this was a tough one, but his peak was more than 20 years ago now)
Dennis Rodman
David Duchovny
Tommy Lee
Any reality show star
Michael Lohan
Joe Francis
Mike Tyson
Phil Spector
Robert Blake

Where would your favorites fall on the list?


--Guest Celebritologist Paul Williams

By Paul Williams  | September 12, 2008; 10:55 AM ET
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Sadly I think all of my rock and rolls icons woudl fall pretty low on the list. Mayeb not Trent Reznor these days since he's cleaned up.

Posted by: EricS | September 12, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Ewan McGregor would be much higher, certainly above Steve Martin.

Posted by: Rosslyn | September 12, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I have a hard time believing Producer Paul wrote up this list and excluded Scarlet Johansson.

I'm going to have to put some thought into my list and get back to you on this.

Posted by: Dorkus | September 12, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Clooney,
Matt Damon (esp after yesterday)
Claire Danes
Jonathan Rhyse-Meyers
Edward Norton

================ Horatio Sanz ============

Chris Kattan
Jim Carrey
Shannon Doherty
A Jonas Brother
A Pallin kid

Posted by: sjcpeach | September 12, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I a yo-yo effect around the line when the daughter of a family friend married a major-league pitcher.

Before the 2000 Mets/Yankees World Series, everything was "Katia and her husband did this and that." After the series it was "Our son-in-law, Mike Hampton, Katia and the kids did blah blah blah blah." It was like that for a couple years, but then he got hurt. Lately it's been back to "Katia and her husband."

For me, any celbutante is below the line as is any politician and anyone named Spears or Lohan. Above the line would be anyone from the cast of Friends, the Office, Scrubs, Sex and the City, etc. Sports figures hover around the line and could go either way according to behavior and performance.

Posted by: Em | September 12, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

That's supposed to say "I saw a yo-yo effect"

Posted by: Em - self correcting | September 12, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Ha. Good list.
Personally, I'd put Matt Damon way up there; he and Clooney would probably share the top spot.
For me, Tony Romo would be below the line, but that's just because my clan has sworn allegiance to the Redskins. Same for Derek Jeter.
And finally...Dolly Parton would be pretty high up there (probably the same ranking as Steve Martin). She would be a blast at the Thanksgiving dinner table.

Posted by: Bawlmer | September 12, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

If my sister were getting married to the fabulus JEN, I WOULD BE SO HAPPY!! But I just gotta DUMB BROTHER in JAIL for SHOPLIFTING PORN FROM KROGER's. he'js just so dumb...tried to stick it in a bag with a SANDWITCH!!!!!!!!
HUGS TO JEN!! I WISH YOU WERE MY SISTER!!!!

Posted by: luvjen | September 12, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

True story: My cousin was engaged to Kate Walsh. I barely mentioned it to anyone. I don't talk about my cousin at, say, work, a lot. At the time, she was most famous for having been on Drew Carey. Then, she got good and famous on Grey's Anatomy. And dumped my cousin. Now I bring it up all the time.
"Hey, Liz, did you see Grey's last night?"
"You mean the show with the stinker who dumped my cousin? Heck no!"

Posted by: other liz | September 12, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The Sanz Line is waaaay too generous. At the very least it needs to be the Jimmy Fallon Line. Which Horatio falls well below. Tina Fey, Amy Poehler, and Darrell Hammond are all above the Fallon Line with Kenan Thompson and Andy Samberg falling short.

Posted by: yellojkt | September 12, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Hey Balmer -- I'm w/you on the Tony Romo thing. Me and my future children are completely dedicated to the Redskins. Not even sure if I want any Cowboy as an in-law. LOL

I wouldn't want Clooney as an in-law...I'll take him as my husband. ;)

Posted by: TheFutureMrs.GeorgeClooney | September 12, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

How about a post on the Clooney Celeb Connection - neato relatives by blood or marriage?

Oscar winning uncle
Recording artist aunt
Cool cousins
Crossing Jordan connection
Cool in-laws
Eight is Enough connection
There's even a Boone family connection.

Take it away.

Posted by: Tee hee | September 12, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

More on the Clooney Celeb Connection - neato relatives by blood or marriage.

Oscar winning ex-father-in-law
Ex-wife is now married to Mad Men hunk
Cousin is married to grandaughter of Red Foley

Posted by: Tee hee | September 12, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

PP,

Please put Hugh Laurie in the A List.

(Although this could force me to commit a termination within my family so I could have the whole House to myself . . . )

Posted by: Curmudgeon | September 12, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

michael phelps
the italian soccer player
beckham

below the line

anyone fatty

Posted by: above the line | September 12, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Dorks, I think Producer Paul wants to keep Scarlett for himself. He he.

Posted by: ytre | September 12, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Whoever said Jim Carrey would be below the line -- c'mon, someone would totally talk about him as a future in law. He's past his prime, but still a big star.

Below the line, Matt le Blanc, Joey from Friends?

Posted by: Ame | September 12, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Waay below the line:

Politicians
Preachers
Messed-up druggies
Reality show "stars"
Game show hosts
Sports figures - too risky - OJ anyone?
Smokers

Posted by: Tee hee | September 12, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Anyone watching the new episodes of Top Design on Bravo have experienced these type of events. The wife of Rick Schroider likes to continualy mention she is the wife of Rick Schroider and wants to distinguish herself as a designer and not just the wife of Rick Schroider.

Hopefully she will mention who her husband is again so that we can properly understand who she may be maried to.

Posted by: Case in Point | September 12, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Below the line, Matt le Blanc, Joey from Friends?

Posted by: Ame | September 12, 2008 12:15 PM

He couldnt be someone's "in-law" unless he married his geigh partner.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Curmudgeon, thanks for the validation. I thought I was the only one in luv with House. Definitely above the line, however it would cause some family upheaval if he were to join my family not married to me! (Actually my hubby is a nice combination of House and Dougie Houser).

Below the line....The Olsen Twins. Stay away from my sons!!!!!

Posted by: hodie | September 12, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Ok here goes:

Above:

ScarJo
Andy Ritcher
Ryan Reynolds (although he would be kept safely away from Scarlet)
Kelly Clarkson
Matt Damon
Sandra Bullock
Laura Linney
Diane Lane
Tony Romo

Below:
Jimmy Fallon
Jason Campbell
Matthew McConaughey
Lance Armstrong
Any Celebutante or Celebuspawn (who hasn't actually done anything to be famous)
Anyone with the last name of Spears or Lohan
John Mayer
celinedion and DANECOOK

Posted by: Dorkus | September 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

above the line:

paris hilton
britney
k-fed
brandon davis

i wish i was related to all of them!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse


Amy Fisher & Joey Buttafucco can cross me off of their Christmas card lists.

Posted by: Tee hee | September 12, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice the conspicuous absence of byoolin coinciding with our Queen Liz taking an extended weekend beach trip?

Posted by: Dorkus starting rumors | September 12, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I actually have Clint Eastwood dangling off a tiny, upper-canopy branch of my family tree - he's far, far above the line. I have Oliver North off a much closer, sturdier branch of the tree - and I would dearly love to call in the tree surgeon.

Posted by: BxNY | September 12, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Third for Hugh Laurie. Mmmmm, British snark and scruff.
I also wouldn't mind seeing Nicole Kidman join the clan. She wouldn't even have to say anything! Just sit in a chair and look elegant, and occasionally smile ethereally.

Posted by: Bawlmer | September 12, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I actually have Clint Eastwood dangling off a tiny, upper-canopy branch of my family tree - he's far, far above the line. I have Oliver North off a much closer, sturdier branch of the tree - and I would dearly love to call in the tree surgeon.

Posted by: BxNY | September 12, 2008 12:49 PM


you sound like one of the MM's from the OP blog. always bragging!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I actually have Clint Eastwood dangling off a tiny, upper-canopy branch of my family tree - he's far, far above the line. I have Oliver North off a much closer, sturdier branch of the tree - and I would dearly love to call in the tree surgeon.

Posted by: BxNY | September 12, 2008 12:49 PM

Did you run a bunch of DNA tests? If not, you're just like the rest of us poor slobs. Get over yourself.

Posted by: Tee hee | September 12, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Producer Paul, I take back what I said this morning about you learning well from the Master. You left off the one guy most of the women (and probably some of the men) would love to have in the family -- preferably married to them:

Colin Firth.


And SNAME on everyone else who didn't put this up there before I did.

Posted by: ep | September 12, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

And SNAME on everyone else who didn't put this up there before I did.

Posted by: ep | September 12, 2008 1:05 PM

Town without Pity.

Posted by: LOL | September 12, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Troll droppings, 12:56 high!

Posted by: BxNY | September 12, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Somehow, I doubt wanting to "prune" Ollie North counts as bragging. More as desperation.

Clint Eastwood's pretty cool, though. Does he ever come to family reunions, or is it more along the lines of "father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate"?

Posted by: Bawlmer | September 12, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Tee hee: yep.

Posted by: BxNY | September 12, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Okay, to clarify: Ollie North and I have the *same last name*; his branch and mine diverged a few generations back. I literally never mention the guy, but I do get asked from time to time. As a flaming liberal Leftist, I find it a terrible embarassment.

Bawlmer, re: Mr. Eastwood, no family reunions - we don't do those anyway - it's closer to what you described, just substitue by "marriage" for the former roommate part.

Posted by: BxNY | September 12, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

ep, I think part of the reason no one put Colin Firth in their lists is that most of the women would rather marry him themselves than have him as a brother in law. I admit I was tempted to put him on my list, but I just don't think I could stand having someone more charming and wittier than myself in my family tree.

Posted by: Dorkus | September 12, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Bawlmer, re: Mr. Eastwood, no family reunions - we don't do those anyway - it's closer to what you described, just substitue by "marriage" for the former roommate part.

Posted by: BxNY | September 12, 2008 1:14 PM

Then why are you bragging about being related to Clint? substitue?

Posted by: Sheesh | September 12, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I am very proud of my current in-laws. I don't feel the need to have "celebrity" in-laws to make myself feel all special. It sounds like many of you are ashamed of your own poor upbringings.

Posted by: Nancy | September 12, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Some of these posters need to be shaken until their bright orange hair stands up.

Dorkus is correct. I couldn't put Colin Firth, George Clooney or Pierce Brosnan on my list of acceptable in-laws, I'd be to busy causing a permanent family rift.

Posted by: jes | September 12, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

wow. did i miss the memo about this being a BKD?

Posted by: b | September 12, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Tim Robbins' brother is married to my cousin. He and Susan Sarandon were at the wedding. I didn't approach them all star-strucky because I wanted to seem cool. My cousin said they are genuinely down to earth, friendly people.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to the Family:
Matt Damon
Jeremy Piven (he will make family reunions actually fun)
Daniel Craig
Gerard Butler
David Beckham
Justin Timberlake

Hell No:
Tom Cruise
Elizabeth Hasselbeck
Joy Behar
Madonna
Carrot Top

Posted by: Lisa1 | September 12, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I am very proud of my current in-laws.

As opposed to your previous ones, presumably? How many sets have you had?


It sounds like many of you are ashamed of your own poor upbringings.

The REAL Nancy never bad-mouthed anyone, and such a sharp rebuke would bring her to the verge of tears.

Posted by: how to tell a fake Nancy | September 12, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Tim Robbins' brother is married to my cousin. He and Susan Sarandon were at the wedding. I didn't approach them all star-strucky because I wanted to seem cool. My cousin said they are genuinely down to earth, friendly people.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 1:55 PM

Thanks for sharing braggart. Now run along.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Sadly Steve Martin is married and off the market. But he would definitely be at the top of my list.

Posted by: lettermangirl | September 12, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Jane Fonda & Ted Turner attended my cousin's graduation from Brown.

Posted by: There | September 12, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

My sister went to high school with Tiger Woods.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Didn't one of Jane's kids graduate from Brown?

Posted by: to There | September 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I love the Sanz line! I nominate it for inclusion

Posted by: Dictionary addition? | September 12, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I took a a dump in the restroom in Prez Clinton's Library!

Posted by: Applause | September 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

i slept with jessica alba.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I slept with Jake G.

Posted by: ArmyBrat | September 12, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I slept with a Congressman.

Posted by: For real. | September 12, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I took a a dump in the restroom in Prez Clinton's Library!

Posted by: Applause | September 12, 2008 2:40 PM

Applause, you totally spoiled it by including "in the restroom".

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I took a a dump in the restroom in Prez Clinton's Library!

Posted by: Applause | September 12, 2008 2:40 PM

Applause, you totally spoiled it by including "in the restroom".

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:47 PM

Gotcha.
I'm too white to be cool.

Posted by: Applause | September 12, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Um, hello? Michael Jackson? How far down does this list go?

P.S. I am totally with you on the Carrot Top thing.

Posted by: xyz | September 12, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

In my fantasies I frequently have hot relations with George Clooney. I rock his world! I think I'll drift off right now for an afternooner...

Posted by: YeaBaby | September 12, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Um, hello? Michael Jackson? How far down does this list go?

P.S. I am totally with you on the Carrot Top thing.

Posted by: xyz | September 12, 2008 2:57 PM

Hey I think Carrot Top is hawt!

Posted by: ArmyBrat | September 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"Um, hello? Michael Jackson? How far down does this list go?" -- xyz

I don't know, I think for the shock factor alone, I would tell everyone and their mother that my relative was married to Michael Jackson. Morning Starbucks run, "Venti coffee with room and oh by the way my cousin just married Michael Jackson...his makeup was flawless."

Posted by: D | September 12, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

first Liz talking about football yesterday then today making a Baseball reference. What is going on??

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice the conspicuous absence of byoolin coinciding with our Queen Liz taking an extended weekend beach trip?

Posted by: Dorkus starting rumors | September 12, 2008 12:47 PM

I sure did.

Posted by: byoolin's crazy stalker wife | September 12, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

first Liz talking about football yesterday then today making a Baseball reference. What is going on??

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 3:28 PM

At the bottom of the post it tells you we have a Guest Celebritologist today.

Posted by: jes | September 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

luvjen @ 11:26, you just made my whole weekend.

Posted by: ADHD | September 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else have a sister who partied with the Allman Brothers? Or does that happen to everyone's sister.
On the other hand, my best childhood friend's mother's friend's daughter was married to Andy (Sommers?) from the Police. Unfortunately they aren't married anymore, and I can't remember how to spell Andy's name.
And also my sister knew Eric Dickerson, although not in the biblical sense.

Posted by: possum | September 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Dude! Back off BxNY! This whole post is about having famous people in your family tree and s/he actually does, however tangentially. It's relevant and to me sounded more like an amusing anecdote than bragging. It seems like some people around here think if you mention yourself, you are automatically bragging, but sometimes it's just a thing you think people might find interesting or funny. You, personally, might not find it interesting or funny, but that doesn't mean you have to jump down that person's throat! Comments here are on celebs & Nancy (because she really IS asking for it--very proud of yourself today, aren't you, Nancy?), not each other.

Posted by: tl | September 12, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

As you know, we are madly in love with Levi Johnston. We can't get enough of him. We gave him our own personal pet name. We once posted an entire slideshow of pictures of him from different angles. Our obsession with him is only rivaled by our similar fixation on his brother-in-law-to-be, Track Palin. We're the kind of fans who would sleep over in their hockey locker room to absorb the stench into our flesh. In other words, we can't get enough of them.

Or so we thought, until today. The Times sent former Anchorage Daily News columnist Kim Severson back to Alaska to find out more about the lives of these two underage studcrullers. What Severson filed was a thoughtful report about how deeply hockey affects the Alaskan families whose children play the sport. Since Sarah Palin so vigorously touts her status as a hockey mom as one of her qualifications for the vice-presidency, it's a useful piece of writing. But in it, we learn an awful lot about young Track and Levi that we didn't know before.


For example:

• Track could have earned a college scholarship for his playing, but he couldn't control his anger on the ice.
• Frequently, his temper would be so out of control he wouldn't make it through an entire game.
• Last year, a shoulder injury took him off the ice and he didn't return. Instead, he enlisted in the Army.
• Track's coach thought he could have continued to play despite the injury, but something else made him want to join the military.
• Meanwhile, Levi Johnston wasn't as good of a hockey player as Track.
• Levi also wasn't as good of a student — in fact, he dropped out of high school.
• He used to fight with his father over his performance on the ice.
• The Palins may not have known for over a year that Levi and Bristol Palin, their daughter, were dating.

Of course we are interested in this. But does it mean that the Times should write about it? Do we really need to know that once, during a fight with his father, then-17-year-old Levi "threw all his gear in the burn pile"?

On the one hand, Palin's constant "hockey mom" mantra makes this seem a little fair game. On the other hand, this is a high-school kid in rural Alaska who happened to get his girlfriend pregnant. He's not the child of the president, the presidential nominee, or even the child of the vice-presidential nominee.

Sure, we here at Intel fetishize Johnston, but just through the images provided by the McCain campaign, who include him in photo ops. Getting into the nitty-gritty of his grades, and his tense relationship with his father? Doesn't that seem like a little bit too much information? Or are we just being old fuddy-duddies?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I actually have Clint Eastwood dangling off a tiny, upper-canopy branch of my family tree - he's far, far above the line. I have Oliver North off a much closer, sturdier branch of the tree - and I would dearly love to call in the tree surgeon.

Posted by: BxNY | September 12, 2008 12:49 PM

you sound like one of the MM's from the OP blog. always bragging!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 12:56 PM


I am very proud of my current in-laws. I don't feel the need to have "celebrity" in-laws to make myself feel all special. It sounds like many of you are ashamed of your own poor upbringings.

Posted by: Nancy | September 12, 2008 1:43 PM


I took a a dump in the restroom in Prez Clinton's Library!

Posted by: Applause | September 12, 2008 2:40 PM


i slept with jessica alba.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:43 PM


I slept with Jake G.

Posted by: ArmyBrat | September 12, 2008 2:45 PM


I slept with a Congressman.

Posted by: For real. | September 12, 2008 2:46 PM


I took a a dump in the restroom in Prez Clinton's Library!

Posted by: Applause | September 12, 2008 2:40 PM

Applause, you totally spoiled it by including "in the restroom".

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:47 PM


I took a a dump in the restroom in Prez Clinton's Library!

Posted by: Applause | September 12, 2008 2:40 PM

Applause, you totally spoiled it by including "in the restroom".

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:47 PM

Gotcha.
I'm too white to be cool.

Posted by: Applause | September 12, 2008 2:50 PM


As you know, we are madly in love with Levi Johnston. We can't get enough of him. We gave him our own personal pet name. We once posted an entire slideshow of pictures of him from different angles. Our obsession with him is only rivaled by our similar fixation on his brother-in-law-to-be, Track Palin. We're the kind of fans who would sleep over in their hockey locker room to absorb the stench into our flesh. In other words, we can't get enough of them.

Or so we thought, until today. The Times sent former Anchorage Daily News columnist Kim Severson back to Alaska to find out more about the lives of these two underage studcrullers. What Severson filed was a thoughtful report about how deeply hockey affects the Alaskan families whose children play the sport. Since Sarah Palin so vigorously touts her status as a hockey mom as one of her qualifications for the vice-presidency, it's a useful piece of writing. But in it, we learn an awful lot about young Track and Levi that we didn't know before.

For example:

• Track could have earned a college scholarship for his playing, but he couldn't control his anger on the ice.
• Frequently, his temper would be so out of control he wouldn't make it through an entire game.
• Last year, a shoulder injury took him off the ice and he didn't return. Instead, he enlisted in the Army.
• Track's coach thought he could have continued to play despite the injury, but something else made him want to join the military.
• Meanwhile, Levi Johnston wasn't as good of a hockey player as Track.
• Levi also wasn't as good of a student — in fact, he dropped out of high school.
• He used to fight with his father over his performance on the ice.
• The Palins may not have known for over a year that Levi and Bristol Palin, their daughter, were dating.

Of course we are interested in this. But does it mean that the Times should write about it? Do we really need to know that once, during a fight with his father, then-17-year-old Levi "threw all his gear in the burn pile"?

On the one hand, Palin's constant "hockey mom" mantra makes this seem a little fair game. On the other hand, this is a high-school kid in rural Alaska who happened to get his girlfriend pregnant. He's not the child of the president, the presidential nominee, or even the child of the vice-presidential nominee.

Sure, we here at Intel fetishize Johnston, but just through the images provided by the McCain campaign, who include him in photo ops. Getting into the nitty-gritty of his grades, and his tense relationship with his father? Doesn't that seem like a little bit too much information? Or are we just being old fuddy-duddies?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 3:43 PM


The daughters always loved "The Sound of Music," "My Fair Lady," "The Princess Diaries," and dreck like that. For the boy, it would be things like "Hoosiers" and just about any old western.

The all liked "The Bad News Bears" (just the original one; forget any sequels or the remake) and "Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan." Plus they're huge fans of the old Marx Brothers films - don't worry, when they're young enough the adult-oriented jokes go over their heads. They'll wonder why you're laughing.

And when they get to be about 10 or so, get "Bill Cosby: Himself" which was Cosby's HBO show from about the mid-80s. They'll love it and so will you.

Re: the infant formula from China: and this would surprise you, why?

Posted by: ArmyBrat | September 12, 2008 9:41 AM


The Little Princess is a great film for dads to watch with their pre-teen daughters.

My kids love old musicals, especially Singin' in the Rain, My Fair Lady, and the parts of West Side Story that we let them watch.

For an old classic, I'd suggest Captains Courageous, with Spencer Tracy. Great story about a spoiled rich kid who learns the value of hard work. Also Going My Way, with Bing Crosby.

I can't find them in video stores, but I'd also like to introduce my kids to some of the live-action Disney movies from the 60's and 70's, like The Absent Minded Professor and The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes.

Posted by: JJ | September 12, 2008 9:51 AM


Hey, no Christmas movies can be mentioned on this blog. Stacey is a Jew and she loves to remind us ad nauseum. And Sue is a witch. We all know there is no God, so filling the heads of your kids with Christmas --- YUCK !!! Christmas!!! ---propaganda is off limits.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 10:26 AM


"The Treasure of the Sierra Madre."

Although the younger ones may be slightly bored by the B & W, the parent can guide the child through the movie. The lessons drawn from the movie about human condition (poverty,greed, envy, pride), the transitory nature of money (gold) and that true human value is to be found in relationships with others (Bob Curtin going off to find one) are excellent lessons.

Come to think of it, maybe some of the parents should watch it and think about these theme.

Watch "Blazing Saddles" with the kids. The kids can laugh at the fart scenes and the parent can teach about racism.

Posted by: Gold Hat | September 12, 2008 12:05 PM


I am very proud of my current in-laws. I don't feel the need to have "celebrity" in-laws to make myself feel all special. It sounds like many of you are ashamed of your own poor upbringings.

Posted by: Nancy | September 12, 2008 1:43 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 1:43 PM

Don't worry about it Gold Hat, we know that the irrelevant comments from other blogs, no matter who's name are on them, are the work of one sorry little troll who is usually annonymous. Probably lives at home in his parents basement. Lord knows he has a lot of time on his hands.
Wonder how many blogs this comment will land on?

Posted by: Hodie | September 12, 2008 1:51 PM

Spelling & Grammar Police!

Posted by: Duh | September 12, 2008 1:58 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 2:01 PM

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Posted by: for here's your trash back | September 12, 2008 4:42 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Anonymi at 4:42 & 4:43 lack originality.

Posted by: here's your trash back | September 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Anonymi at 4:51 is an idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Anonymi at 4:51 is an idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008 5:05 PM

Subject/predicate mismatch!

Posted by: Grammar Sheriff | September 12, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

as liz isnt here let's just put Ethan Hawke at the very very bottom of this list - or maybe add the 'time for an intervention' phase

Posted by: Quintilius Varus | September 13, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

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