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Posted at 10:00 AM ET, 02/ 5/2009

'Lost' Dueling Analysis: 'The Little Prince'

By Liz Kelly
Lost

In which Liz and Jen discover that dedication to this show involves screen grabs, magnifying glasses, Facebook searches and origami. Share your theories and questions this afternoon at 3 p.m. ET in the "Lost Hour discussion.


Sun (Yunjin Kim) and her special delivery. (ABC)

Liz: Last night's episode managed to pack as much impact into 40-some minutes as the season premiere did in almost two hours. Jumping right in, the headline is that Jin's alive. And that would have been enough. But there was so much more. A young Danielle Rousseau. Nosebleed contagion. The gathering of the off-islanders. Sawyer's peek at Aaron's birth. Wow. That's actually more than we got in all of season 2.5. Let's get cracking -- and we'd better hurry because I have a very special phone date today.

Jen: You sure do. And the person you're planning to talk to, Liz? The only side he's on is his own. But perhaps we should begin at the beginning with that scene between Jack and Kate?

A couple of key points. First: The lie about Kate being Aaron's mom was Kate's idea, not Jack's. But Jack convinced her to tell the overall Oceanic lie.

Liz: Yes, we learned that fair Kate is on Jack's side. For now. "I've always been with you," she said. Cue fluttering eyelashes. Barf.

Jen: Before you barf, can I get biblical for my second point? Was it me, or was there something a bit holy about the way Kate was dressed and holding that infant (so tender and mild) and saying those words: "I've always been with you"?

(But knowing what we know now about Sawyer in this episode, it seems to me that Kate has always been with both of them in a way. She said it to Jack but it was felt more powerfully by Sawyer later in the episode.)

Liz: Absolutely -- and to carry that analogy a bit further, there was one shot of Aaron from behind Kate's back where he was framed by the starry night sky. It was positively Christ-like. A little prince if ever there was one.

(Speaking of "The Little Prince," if anyone is interested in possible parallels between tonight's show and the book of the same name, please see Doc Jensen's take.)

Jen: Alrighty then. Let's talk about those Sun documents. With the help of DVR pause and the screengrabs, it would appear Sun was having a woman followed. The subject is referred to as "she." The papers also mention a person named Lee Chin, who the subject says committed suicide. And the subject apparently also accuses the tracker -- who calls the subject -- of pretending to be Melissa.

Much more after the jump...

The only Melissa we know is John Locke's foster sister.

Liz: Okay, interesting. I had assumed Sun was tracking Ben -- the pix along with the docs were of Ben and Jack.

Jen: I assumed that, too. But the she stuff makes that seem unlikely. Or may mean Sun is tracking multiple people, which is entirely possible. Aside from killing Ben and getting revenge, what does Sun want? Presumably next week, we will know a bit more about that.

Liz: Right. And I'm probably assuming a lot, but I have to wonder if Lee Chin is an alias for someone we already know.

Jen:
Lots of fun with the numbers tonight. Remember, the keys ones are: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. They showed up in Kate's address (42 Panorama Crest), the Long Boat Marina Slip (23). Also the hospital room (133). After all, 13 + 3 = 16.

Liz: Doesn't seem to be much significance there, just a tease from the writing team,


Kate (Evangeline Lilly) and Jack (Matthew Fox) reunite. (ABC)

Liz: I need to give credit where due -- you were right about the lawyers Agostini and Norton being in Ben's employ. My guess is that he planned to take Aaron to force Kate back to the island in the event she didn't agree to come willingly. Though he -- Ben -- did have a glimmer of the old psychopathic Jim Jones-esque Ben about him on the dock when he told Kate that Aaron isn't her son anyway.

Jen: Thanks for the credit. They did a nice switcheroo on us there, making us think it was Claire's mom who was really responsible. Interestingly, we did not see the rest of Jack's conversation with her. When he got in the car, he seemed panicked. I wonder if he actually told her about Aaron?

Liz: He did seem rather agitated. I'm guessing, though, that was a function of him realizing it was likely someone more malevolent who was gunning for Aaron, not just grandma.

Jen: Maybe. Just not sure how he talked himself out of explaining who Aaron was, after dropping his name like a dummy.

But since we're on the subject of Claire perhaps we should discuss the most moving moment of the night: Sawyer seeing Kate delivering Aaron, in what was just a beautiful mix of footage from season one and a shot of Sawyer, peering from behind that tree.

Liz: Yes, that was well done and inevitable, I suppose. I would imagine we'll see a few more time overlaps before the chronology gets back on track. But I suppose the question is who will be the first one to make contact? Sawyer wisely (I guess) hung back.

Jen: Yes, as did Locke once he realized he was seeing the light from the Hatch. All this avoidance is allowing Faraday's rules -- about not interfering with the past -- to remain intact.

Liz: Yes, for the time being. Whatever that means at this point. Let's talk about Locke.

Suddenly he's the man with all the answers. No longer is he the tentative guy we saw last season. He was almost, dare I say, Ben-esque when he manipulated Sawyer into returning to the Orchid by invoking Kate's name. And he seems to be suddenly quite comfortable with the jumps. Does self-confidence just come with the role of island leader?

Jen: Hmmm. What you just said reminds me of what Locke said to Sawyer tonight, about needing the pain to get to where he is now. Locke has suffered and struggled and now he feels he has found his destiny. Guess that would give one confidence.

I want to point out some interesting parallels between the moment we flashed to -- the night Aaron was born and the night Boone died. That night unfolded across two episodes from season one, "Deus Ex Machina" -- the Locke flashback, where we learn about his dad and the kidney fiasco -- and "Do No Harm," when Jack attempts to give his own blood to save Boone. I don't know if this is intentional but a lot of the same themes were in tonight's episode. In "Do No Harm," we flashback to Jack's wedding, where he talks about "fixing" Sarah. And tonight, he was still saying, "I'll fix it." He's Mr. Fix It, that Jack Shephard.

Liz: Right -- I think we've learned that Jack hasn't changed at all. While Locke -- our man of faith -- has evolved, Jack -- our man of science -- seems to have stagnated.

Jen: Also, the notion of Kate delivering Aaron, being the first one to hold him, and then later claiming to be his mother? Another parallel.

And then my favorite, which made me remember something I had forgotten: On the island in tonight's episode, Locke acted as the leader. As you said, off-island, Ben was playing that role. In "Deus Ex Machina," we learn that Locke's mother was named Emily. Ben's mother? Also named Emily. Now, they don't appear to be the same woman (what with Ben's mom not being played by Swoosie Kurtz and all). But some people have suggested Ben and Locke could be brothers or related. And that wouldn't surprise me.

Liz: I think we've touched on that before, but it bears repeating considering the tangled family trees springing up all around.

Jen: Oh, hey, while we're giving me credit for stuff? The notion that Miles is having nosebleeds and that Daniel asked if he was sure he hadn't been on the island before? Backs up the idea that Miles really is Dr. Candle's baby.

Liz: Yes. I think we're definitely tracking toward a storyline where we find out that Charlotte and Miles are island babies.

Jen: And Juliet started to leak a little, too.

Liz: Yes, it seems we -- or rather the Losties left on island -- may be running out of time.

Jen: As is Ben, apparently. He only has whatever is left of those 70 hours. And Sun pulling a gun on him isn't going to expedite matters.

Liz: So how is it that Jin -- who we have to assume was thrown from the freighter -- has ended up back 18 years in time? Has he unwittingly been jumping through time with the island all along?

Jen: Maybe so. I have to say, I was dying to know who was on that boat that was pursuing our Losties. Unlike Sawyer, I was hoping the island wouldn't flash before we could clearly see those faces.

Liz:
Yes. This time they had guns, too. Not just arrows.

Jen: As for Jin, let me invite you into Jen's brain during those last moments of the episode. Seriously, come on in, it's warm.

When Locke said something about French, I thought: Oh my God, it's Rousseau's crew. But then when they turned over the body floating on that door or whatever it was, I got confused. And when Jin was able to speak English, I thought, well, this has to be 2005 then. Because Jin couldn't speak English until late in 2004, in island time. But as we realized, that was really Rousseau. Which brings us back to your question about how Jin could have ended up 18 years back in time.

And I think that was answered by Faraday, when he said something about the raft or freighter being inside or outside the perimeter when the island moved. Jin must have floated inside the lines, so to speak. So, right, he is traveling with everybody else.

Liz: Right. It is the 2005 Jin, but that doesn't mean they are in 2005. That means that 2005 Jin is trucking through time, just like 2005 Sawyer and Juliet.

So, I've got an interesting tidbit: I took a look at next week's press release and apparently Ji Yeon -- Sun and Jin's child -- will make an appearance. The interesting thing about it is that the actress named as playing Ji Yeon would appear to be a teenager. At least the only person of that name I can find on the Interwebs would appear to be a teen -- and one who looks uncannily like Sun.

Liz: Anyhow, I'm thinking we're going to flash to the future next week.

Jen: That seems like a fair bet. Title of next week's episode: "This Place is Death." Could this mean that someone will bite it?

Liz: Someone besides Neil Frogurt or some other unimportant red shirt, you mean?

Jen: Oh hey, know who else shows up next week? My man Christian Shephard! Haven't seen that guy in a while.

Liz: Right -- and where eerie dead Christian goes, eerie dead Claire seems to follow.

Liz: Did you happen to catch the name of the airline on the bottled water in the long boat?

Jen: Ajira Airways

Liz: It's a maker-upper, but ABC has gone to the trouble of creating a Web site and everything. Their tagline? "Destiny Calls"

Jen: Hey, we can fly to a mystery location for only $87! That's a bargain. Beat that, Travelocity.

Liz: [Aside] Much back and forth involving a late night origami project we found on the the faux Ajira Airways Web site followed. Suffice to say that it resulted in a tidy little Origami ball which -- when you gazed through a hole at one end -- presented us with the letters "GUM," the airport code for Guam -- whose meaning to the show's endgame we have not yet determined. [End aside]

Jen: Before we hop on our Ajira Airways adventures -- or sue them for loss of sanity due to late night origami, we will of course be online today at 3 p.m. for the weekly "Lost" Hour discussion. Bring your questions about time travel, the French language and Sayid's awesomeness to the queue, starting now and during the chat. Also, even though she still thinks he is the root of all evil, Liz will be chatting with one Benjamin Linus (that's Michael Emerson, kids) today sometime before the chat. So keep your eyes peeled for that Q&A.

Quote of the Week: "Time travel's a bitch." -- Sawyer (who else?)

Need more clarification? Take a peek at ABC's "Lost" Untangled. It's actually pretty useful for newbies and pretty entertaining for the rest of us:

Next Week on "Lost": Locke takes on the burden to stop the island's increasingly violent shifts through time. Meanwhile, Ben hits a roadblock in his attempt to reunite the Oceanic 6 and bring them back to the island.

By Liz Kelly  | February 5, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
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first!

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 5, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

*shielding her eyes from the analysis*

Okay, I have vowed this season to not read analyses or spoilers. Because while I love this post, I want to just go with the flow this year.

So in that vein, allow me to sing this little song and go away:

"Jin's Alive! Jin's Alive! It's so awesome, Jin's Alive!"

My husband was laughing at me for this song last night, but I don't care. This is gonna lead to some sort of massively emotional scene somewhere down the line and I'm gonna cry and it will be awesome...

Posted by: Chasmosaur1 | February 5, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I just have to have a I told you so moment. Last year I was 100% convinced that Jin was alive and Liz, Jen, and 90% of the chatters all said I was nuts.
To me it was a no brainer. Jin was on the deck of the freighter, he knew it was about to blow up, he had plenty of time to run to the rail and jump before the explosion. Equal - Jin Alive.

Posted by: Iowahoosier | February 5, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

So if Rousseau got to the island in 1988, home come the French people were all wearing hoodies? Not very 1988-ish. Is it possible that they jumped through time and "the sickness" they all (except Rousseau) died from was the nosebleed/brain mush stuff?

Posted by: jf76 | February 5, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

>>Liz: Yes. I think we're definitely tracking toward a storyline where we find out that Charlotte and Miles are island babies.
>>Jen: And Juliet started to leak a little, too.

Yes, and that sort of supports my theory that Juliet is Annie, not Charlotte. But, Faraday said he thought it was extreme jet-lag, so it should happen to anyone time jumping you would think.

Also, if a nosebleed means you're an island baby, then so is Desmond. The list of bleeders so far is:
Miskinski
Another freighter guy
Desmond
Charlotte
Miles
Juliet
more?

Considering all the advil I've been taking I'm going to leave this one alone for now and not over analyze it, but I'm leaning toward the bleeding simply being a condition and not something due to where you were born, etc. Its seems you need a constant and those who bleed do not have constants. Ok, now I'm analyzing... So if this is the case, Locke and Sawyer may be each other's constants. Faraday's constant was Desmond, but he's not there. Could Charlotte also be his constant since he loves her, but since she does not seem to love him she has no constant? I mean, you'd think after confessing his love she'd be a little closer to Faraday if she loved him too, but she seems aloof, so I'm guessing she could care less about Faraday.

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 5, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

did the frenchies say anything substantial? has anybody translated?

Posted by: memphis1 | February 5, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Based on last night's episode and some of the previous ones, I think we are going to find that Sun is opposed to the other Oceanic 6 and Ben in the upcoming episode, and the reason for that is that Widmore has kidnapped her daughter and is using Sun in his contest with Ben.
Somehow the 2 children are going to be the focus of the contest between the 2 arch-enemies over the course of the season.

Posted by: Lindytx | February 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The Frenchies had firearms and a violin. They seemed aggressive towards Jin. Anyone care to make a translation of their conversations?

Posted by: nier | February 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

As much as I liked seeing Jin alive, the blast pressure at that distance would have caused massive internal injuries. But this is Lost, so I guess that rules like this get suspended.

Anyone agree with me that the people shooting at Sawyer and friends are "future" Sawyer and friends? Notice how none of the bullets hit them? That would keep with Faraday's rule.

Also, Mrs. Gump was right about that box of chocolates!

Posted by: skipper7 | February 5, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

As for the French, they really didn't say anything substantial. It was mostly like "What's that?" "Help me [get him on board]." "Do we have any water to give him?"

It really wasn't anything like "I hear there's a big smoke monster and a wheel that makes the island float through time."

I can offer a more thorough translation when I get home and rewatch it, though I'm sure one will pop up on the interwebs before I get a chance.

Posted by: eet7e | February 5, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I said: "It really wasn't anything like" put "important" between "anything" and "like."

I do agree about the shooters being the losties themselves. That was my first thought.

I had a feeling that Ben was the one behind the DNA test. What a manipulative little bugger her is. I can't wait to hear about the chat with Michael Emerson. Apparently he's got a really big heart.

Posted by: eet7e | February 5, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I thought last nights episode was weak. The constant jumping through time for the island Losties is getting lame already. Are they going to do that all season?

Posted by: buffysummers | February 5, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I got confused by Claire's mother not knowing who Aaron was.

He's one of the Oceanic 6. She would, I think, be very interested in all of the Oceanic 6 stories, seeing as how her daughter was on that flight. And she met Kate & Aaron when she went to Christian Sheppard's funeral.

Posted by: JLRGG | February 5, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who noticed the "Airplane"-like joke about the compass that Alpert gave Locke? Their approximate exchange went something like this:

Alpert: It's a compass.
Locke: What does it do?
Alpert: It points north.

That's like many of the jokes in "Airplane" - which I note was about a crashing jetliner, too. I view that as extremely inside humor.

Posted by: ahneff1 | February 5, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Big reveal for me last night: Rousseau is PREGNANT. Of course a million questions come from that, mainly what does that tell us about the father of her child -- Ben or otherwise? What we don't know (or at least I don't) -- is this her first time on the island? Could she have met Ben off island where her daughter was conceived? Is this pregnancy another child who didn't survive? And then she met Ben on island and conceived her daughter (whose name escapes me)? Too many questions!

Posted by: Ansvan | February 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

and will all the jumping around in time, when was the last time they ate or slept?

love the show, but i would find attention to some of those details more satisfying.

Posted by: dclibrarian | February 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

buffy,
I kind of liked last nights episode, but my wife said the same thing as you. She said if they don't stop the stupid jumping through time every episode she will stop watching.
skipper,
I am not an explosives expert, but in every moive I have ever seen when the guy or girl jummps into the water to get away from an explosion they always survive. It may be lame and inaccurate, but it happens every single time.

Posted by: Iowahoosier | February 5, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

My nose started to bleed last night too while watching. What's the significance of that?

Best line of the night, when they were being pursued by the boat full of, er maybe themselves, getting shot at, they start to time jump. Sawyer says "Thank God!" but then they end up on raging seas during a big thunderstorm. He quickly yells "I take that back!"

Posted by: hodie | February 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"So if Rousseau got to the island in 1988, home come the French people were all wearing hoodies? Not very 1988-ish."

Only the term "hoodies" is new -- hooded sweatshirts have been around for decades. I had some when I was a kid back in the '70s, and there was nothing "new" or remarkable about them even back then, so I don't think you'll get any useful time-period clues when a character wears one.

Posted by: NotDoc | February 5, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

transcript of french scenes (with english translation) available from lostpedia:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Little_Prince_transcript

Posted by: skitch00 | February 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Rousseau may be pregnant, but i think we've established that its not actually Ben's child. He claims her (in an adoptive sort of way) once on the island. He and Rousseau were never an item.

Posted by: Trogdor | February 5, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Ansvan, the pregnancy is definitely Alex. Rousseau mentioned in the first season that she was 7 months pregnant when she arrived on the island.

Posted by: moonwatcher13 | February 5, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Faraday said nosebleeds occur first in the people who have been exposed to the island the longest (earliest in their lifetime). Hence why it happened to Charlotte and Miles first, then Juliette. I think we can assume it will eventually happen to Saywer too.

Posted by: skitch00 | February 5, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it revealed a while back that Ben was not Alex's biological father? Anyone remember that?

Also, I wonder if Aaron will become the leader of the Others!

Posted by: skitch00 | February 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

eet7e wrote: "I do agree about the shooters being the losties themselves. That was my first thought."

Did anyone else notice that it looked like when Juliet fired back she hit someone on the other boat?

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

really? i felt like this week's episode was sort of boring. not much happened really, the story didn't go anywhere.

it could, perhaps, be that i read some spoilers last week that hinted at Jin surviving and a young Rousseau showing up. maybe.

Posted by: konflikt | February 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Iowahoosier: Movies <> real life...the human body can only sustain so much physical trauma. The blast pressure from close exposure to an explosion is going to create blunt-force trauma along with serious damage to the internal organs including the lungs and heart.

I know that Lost requires suspension of rational thought, but I can get my arms around time travel fantasy more easily than gross exaggeration around medical facts.

Posted by: skipper7 | February 5, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Trogdor wrote: "Rousseau may be pregnant, but i think we've established that its not actually Ben's child. He claims her (in an adoptive sort of way) once on the island. He and Rousseau were never an item."

That's correct but Alex was not living with her mother but with the Others. It will be interesting to see how Alex came to live with the Others and calling Ben her father while her mother lived in the wilds of the jungle and was always on guard against the Others. Maybe something akin to all the children being kidnapped from the Losties. What do the Others want with the children? They didn't seem to have done Alex any good.

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 5, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Where can I pick up some of those action figures in the LOST Untangled?? They look like fun!

Posted by: Osteph | February 5, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Here's kind of a random thought: we learned in season four that Charlotte can speak Korean. Since it now looks like Charlotte was an island baby and since Jin is now on the island, circa 1988 when Charlotte would have been a young girl, I wonder if Jin will meet the young Charlotte-- and start teaching her Korean?

Posted by: kcp1 | February 5, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

One of the taglines from the Ajira Airlines website is "Get Lost."

Posted by: beisbol | February 5, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

It occurs to me that the losties can't actually contact themselves in the same location at different times like Sawyer watching Kate deliver Aaron. In prior seasons, there is whispering heard in the jungle, I suspect this is caused by losties coming across themselves in a different time same location...

Posted by: choldem | February 5, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I originally thought the whispers being the losties revisiting themselves was a great idea, but I don't remember there being whispers when Claire gave birth. I could be wrong, but I would think that with Sawyer's (and Locke's and Juliet's, etc) proximity, we would've heard something.

Also, Doc Jensen made a great point about the people in the other outrigger. It seems that the flash broght Sawyer et al to a point after the O6 left. What if it was Jack/Sun/Kate et al in the other canoe?

And I dig the one about Jin teaching Charlotte korean. Good call!

Posted by: eet7e | February 5, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I love Skipper's idea that Sawyer and gang were shooting at Sawyer and gang!

I'll reiterate what I said last week -- I believe Charlotte is Farraday's daughter, Miles is undoubtedly Dr. Candle's son. It's hard to believe Juliet as Annie, though, as Ben could have reminded her of their past friendship to win her heart, and he didn't.

Jf76 -- hooded clothing has been around since weaving existed.

"The history of the specific garment began in the 1930s, but historical precedent dates the style and form of the hoodie back to the Middle Ages. The formal wear for Catholic monks included a cowl, a long, decorative hood worn in addition to the standard tunic or robes was always a fuchsia color .[1] The modern clothing style was first produced by Champion in the 1930s for laborers in the frozen warehouses of New York.[2] Its popularity spread as sportswear designers such as Claire McCardell developed entire collections based around the clothing.[citation needed]


The hoodie took off in the 1970s as several factors contributed to its success. Hip hop culture developed in New York City around this time, and the hoodie's element of instant anonymity, provided by the accessible hood, appealed to those with criminal intent.[2] High fashion also contributed during this era, as Norma Kamali and other high-profile designers embraced and glamorized the new clothing.[1] Most critical to the hoodie's popularity during this time was its iconic appearance in the blockbuster Rocky film. His attire embodied the persevering spirit of the American Dream at the time, and simultaneously appealed to workingmen, street thugs, and athletes.[citation needed] By the 1990s, the hoodie had evolved into a symbol of isolation, a statement of academic spirit, and several fashion collections."

Check out more at Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoodie

Posted by: scandibaby | February 5, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how anyone can say "nothing happened" last night when we were treated to that great canoe chase. Nothing like some heavy paddling to get your heart pumping. Right out of "Last of the Mohicans" with Sawyer taking the Daniel Day Lewis part.

And as for "I don't remember there being whispers when Claire gave birth. . . . . I would think that with Sawyer's (and Locke's and Juliet's, etc) proximity, we would've heard something."

Maybe, but Claire and Kate were kind of busy at the moment. I think a woman giving birth wouldn't even have noticed a smoke monster coming at her.

Posted by: Ansvan | February 5, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

A humerous note from watching last night: My daughter (16) was getting her school stuff together when she came in and saw me watching Lost. "How can you stand that show" she said. "All's it is is a bunch of people in the jungle shooting at each other." Just then a flash happened. She asked "What was that?" I said "They're jumping through time". She then huffed and said "What a stupid show!". So I calmly walked over to the computer and pulled up a YouTube scene of the smoke monster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0X3OKjIlUg

She froze, then said in a slightly higher octave: "What was that!?!" I told her she had to watch the first 4 seasons to even get an idea. She asked "What was that wall it hit?" I said "The sonic fence." She then admitted it was more than just people shooting one another in the jungle. Score one for the parent! Thank you Lost and thank you for giving me a break from watching the silly reality shows she watches, such as Americas Top Model.

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 5, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse


longboats ? well then...

here's a new book suggestion: The Technicolor Time Machine by Harry Harrison.

Posted by: camis | February 5, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

As much as I liked seeing Jin alive, the blast pressure at that distance would have caused massive internal injuries. But this is Lost, so I guess that rules like this get suspended.

Posted by: skipper7 | February 5, 2009 11:43 AM

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But let's not forget, the island not only heals people (Locke's legs, Rose's cancer), but can prevent people from dying if it's not their time (Michael).

Good call on the losties shooting at themselves, though! Oh, and I also thought the time jumpers were the source of the whispering, regardless of if they could be heard during Aaron's birth or not. Maybe Locke & Sawyer just weren't speaking loudly enough, or Kate & Claire were distracted by... I don't know... something.

Posted by: fft5305 | February 5, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and my fave line from last night's episode? Sawyer yelling to God, "I take it back!!"

Posted by: fft5305 | February 5, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I also agree about the canoe chase being in the future and perhaps it is themselves or other Losties that are shooting at them.

I suspect to get a better understand of the past that soon either the island or Locke will either slow the time jumps or cease them for a time so that we will be able to learn more about what has already happened in the past on the island (ie- the French people, Richard/Widmore/Ellie, perhaps even the Black Rock or 4 toed statue??) and perhaps also in the future.

lowahosier, I also was not surprised about Jin. I was 100% sure he was alive as well. I am glad to see him back.

While I am convinced that Miles is Candle's son, the jury is still out for the Annie mystery for me.

Can't wait for next week!

Posted by: Ohyouknow | February 5, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

A thought on why Jin might have survived the freighter explosion: Remember after Michael left the island, he couldn't die? He tried all sorts of ways of killing himself. Right before the freighter blew up Christian came and said something like, "You can go now." Jin had left the island and maybe the same thing was happening to him. I can't remember if there were any other Losties on the freighter who would have died, which would prove my theory wrong...

Posted by: aludholtz | February 5, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Iowahoosier, good call on Jin, I also thought he was always alive somehow. To some of the other posters, I thought last nights episode along with all so far this year, are the best since season one. I know I need my advil after each one but getting there is great each Wed.

Posted by: sivwiz | February 5, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I would have to agree with you, sivwiz! I think that this season is by far one of the best since the first. And, contrary to what others have said, I actually am enjoying all of the time jumping and trying to figure out if it is past, present, or future!

Posted by: Ohyouknow | February 5, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I hope we get to see a time jump all the way back to when Alpert and Widmore first got to the island on the Black Rock.

Posted by: mattlisab28 | February 5, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Small clue in the dialogue about Charlotte and Faraday's relationship: He was asking her how her headache was doing and she said she was fine, "stop babying me." To me, that hints at the fact that Farady may indeed be her father (or older brother maybe?). However, in the prior ep when he said that he loves her, he says that he is "in love" rather than just "love," which connotates romantic feelings. So maybe I am way off base with the father angle.

Posted by: skitch00 | February 5, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Loved the canoe chasing scene but I would have thought our survivors would have been in the middle of the water without the canoe when time flashed since everything seems to disappear when they time jump. I'm curious to see if Aaron and Charlie (Widmore's grandkid) will meet up on the island.

Posted by: spasz | February 5, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

If Jin jumped into the water before the explosion, he would have been shielded from the blast. Not to mention that, if you are nit-picking about whether Jin could have survived, you are probably watching the wrong TV show...

Posted by: jerkhoff | February 5, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

spasz,

I was under the impression that anything that the Losties are touching travels with them...Which is why the zodiac made the first trip and the canoe made the later trip.

Posted by: Ohyouknow | February 5, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I think if Ben was in fact Alex's father, and had knocked up 1988 Rousseau, Danielle would have recognized when she caught him in her trap all the way back in, what, season 2? "Say, didn't we meet at a party...?"

Posted by: jhusson1 | February 5, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

jhusson1 wrote: "I think if Ben was in fact Alex's father, and had knocked up 1988 Rousseau, Danielle would have recognized when she caught him in her trap all the way back in, what, season 2? "Say, didn't we meet at a party...?" "

Good logic. So either Ben kidnapped Alex like the Others have kidnapped the Lostie's kids and Rousseau did not know Ben or that he had adopted Alex, or Rousseau knew who Ben was and was helping Ben to become a captive of the Losties in season2. I never trusted Rousseau...

I'm not convinced the Losties are chasing themselves in the canoe. I don't think they would fire on people unless they knew they were hostile. There were unknown people there who owned those canoes. I'm guessing the canoes were how Ben and the O6 return to the island, but I'm not sure if it is them chasing our heros. I'm guessing Widmore's people, who I suspect are also going to return to the island at the 70-hour. If this is the case, then we should see no more flashes until the O6 return, then maybe more flashes, who knows.

I'm suspecting Ellie Hawking is working both with Ben and Widmore, and she is the one really controlling things.

Best line:
Sayid: "Who's that?"
Ben: "He's my lawyer."

I did find it interesting that Bens "lawyer" is also handling the Oceanic settlement for the crash, assuming we can believe Claire's mother. If he really is an Oceanic lawyer, then Oceanic Airlines is involved with the island too.

Any theories why Widmore's people use darts and not bullets? Maybe they are the good guys? Or they know the O6 cannot be killed, so shooting them with bullets would be futile, like trying to kill Michael, so they want to tranquilize and hold them captive. Hey, how about that Sayid getting out of bed and ambushing the guy in his hospital room. Classic Sayid!

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 5, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I guess I have to disagree with everyone that the losties are shooting at themselves in the canoe chase. Why would they being shooting at the other canoe? The losties are not "bad" guys like Ben and the others, they are supposed to be "good" guys. (sorry for the childish euphuisms)
I mean what happened in the other boat, Sawyer says "hey, look at that boat up there, they have a guy who looks just like me in it, lets shoot him." It just doesn't make since to me, but maybe I am missing what everyone else is seeing.

Posted by: Iowahoosier | February 5, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry bevjims1,
You beat me to it on questiong why people think the losties were firing on themselves. I agree it makes no sense.

Posted by: Iowahoosier | February 5, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Weren't those boats similar to the other's boats? Didn't Karl (alex's boyfriend)book it across the water in a canoe like that to warn the Losties that the others were coming....

Posted by: tjkass | February 5, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

tjkass, good memory. Here is a link that shows the outrigger canoe:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Outrigger
It was used by Karl to escape the second island with Kate, Sawyer and Juliet. It was also used a few other times, like when Desmond and Charlie when out to the underwater station, where Charlie drowned.

So these canoes are not new and since there were two on the beach, not just the one Karl brought, I'm guessing these were Other's canoes. Maybe when they tried to attack the Losties and the Losties were all up at the radio tower with a few waiting in hiding to ambush the Others? Not sure, but they are Other's canoes, so it was likely Others shooting at them.

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Assuming that we were looking at the view from the front canoe, I couldn't see faces of the people shooting, so wouldn't it be safe to say that it could be completely different people chasing them, or that the view is just as far away for the following canoe and it is someone we know.

If someone was stealing MY canoe, I would chase after them for sure! Especially with this island...it might be the only way for them to get off the island again to wherever they came from...similar to the traveling zodiac...

Posted by: Ohyouknow | February 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot of people have forgotten the Rousseau storyline from earlier seasons. She was pregnant when she came to the island, and delivered baby Alex by herself. Shortly thereafter the Others kidnapped Alex. Ben apparently raised her to believe she was his biological daughter. There has not been anything to suggest that Ben and Rousseau were connected prior to her coming to the island. Of course, you can't rule anything out in this show, but it seems unlikely.

Posted by: enoti | February 5, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain why the Others are called, and refer to themselves, as "the Others" when they were the original inhabitants of the island? Who exactly were they other-than?? Wasn't calling them "the Hostiles" better? I mean, you're living in that lush clearing (either in tents or in cute little bungalows) and plane crash survivors show up... Aren't the new guys the "others" ???

Posted by: a68comeback | February 5, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is assuming that Jin caught the Frenchies in the process of coming to the island for the first time just because they were in a life raft. Did they say anything to confirm this? What if they'd already been on the island but were out fishing or trying to leave or something? If this is the case, then Ben & Danielle could have procreated.

If Ben is NOT Alex's biological father, why didn't Rousseau say something to Alex about it? Rousseau seemed willing to go along with the lie, but why would she do this, considering that she & Ben weren't exactly BFF?

Second, the compass. Alpert says it points north. I thought there was an issue on the island w/ compasses, etc. because of the magnetism stuff - they didn't really work. So if Alpert gave Locke a compass that actually worked, wouldn't that be something?

Posted by: allison777 | February 5, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

juliet is the only other calling themselves others and i think that that is probably just because she has been hanging out with the losties...

in the beginning of the show, the tailies were actually referred to as others..... its kind of a fun twist i think, there has always been a new group of others, but most people (fans) agree that the others are the original inhabitants of the island

Posted by: tjkass | February 5, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

allison777 wrote: "So if Alpert gave Locke a compass that actually worked, wouldn't that be something?"

Yes, its an issue, along with the other thousand issues, like smokey, like the polar bears, like the nosebleeds, like the donkey wheel.

But I'm still focused on the timeline of the compass:
1)Richard shows the compass to Locke as a child in 1960
2) Richard gives the compass to Locke after Ethan shoots him and before he flashes back in time to 1954.
3) Locke gives the compass to Richard in 1954.
4) Go back to #1

So the compass does not exist before 1954 and it does not exist after Richard gives it to Locke. So where did it come from? From what I can see its stuck in a 50 year time loop, never having been manufactured, never being destroyed. I doubt this is a writer's error since the compass is a major prop.

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 5, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Has it occurred to anyone else that, with all this time jumping, Desmond and Penny's boy Charles could be rocker-hobbit Charlie later in life? Is that why Desmond was in tune with Charlie's fate?

Posted by: BansheeKLS | February 5, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Could Miles be the young Candle?

Is it just me, or are things getting a tad argumentative on this blog? That would be too bad. I think ALL ideas are neat

I was also sure that Jin was still alive.. On the basis that I wanted him to be. And meanwhile... Sun is up to no good. I suspect SHE is the one who sent the so-called lawyers to test Kate and Aaron's (Erin's?) DNA. She is pissed off that Kate still has Jack around while she lost (she thinks) Jin. And she's working with Widmore now - maybe trying to undermine Ben's plan to get the 06 together to return to the island by exposing their lies. Her gun might not be for Ben...... Jack? Kate?

Claire's mother is bound to be up to more than she's admitting.

Miles didn't say he heard whispers, he just said he passed over four dead American soldiers - three who where shot and one who died of radiation poisoning. He didn't hear it, he KNEW it. Others hear whispers but the pattern , to me, is not clear yet.

I TOTALLY agree with the previous poster's question: If The Others were the first on the island, who are they "Other" to?
American soldiers? Who the heck was there first ??

It was Edward Teller who insisted on testing hydrogen bombs despite TONS of opposition, especially from Oppenheimer who knew they would be total over-kill and disastrous. Let's see if a Teller character pops up in the show.

I loved this show. Things are speeding up which I think (hope) means the pieces will start coming together soon.


Posted by: camis | February 5, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"So if Rousseau got to the island in 1988, home come the French people were all wearing hoodies? Not very 1988-ish."

Maybe they're all just big fans of Bill Belichick. (sorry, couldn't resist).

Anybdy else but me think that Benjamin Linus is modled somewhat after "The Man in Black" from Stephen King's "Dark Tower" series, which was itself inspired by Robert Browning's poem "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came" ? Every time Ben comes on screen I think of the first line from that poem.

"My first thought was, he lied in every word."

The Man in Black did some travelling in time too.

Posted by: louiesully | February 5, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I think your "Teller" character is Faraday.

I think Sun blames Ben for Jin's death and is seeking revenge. But how could Sun succeed? Does Widmore expect Sun to be able to kill Ben? Hmmm, maybe if Widmore changed the rules. Or, Sun is really going to kill someone else? I'm not sure why Widmore thinks Sun could kill Ben.

I also thought Jim was alive, basically because he was just to major a character. I'm Glad to see Rousseau. I always wondered about her early years.

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 5, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Am I totally missing the mark here, or wasn't there a flash-forward in an earlier episode in which Jin is shown alive, but not in contact/together with Sun?

And...Juliet says she speaks Latin because she is an Other. Since the Others speak Latin, the Others might have descended (devolved, really) from Ben's colony.

And...we know Charlotte was close to the portal when she was in the (Tunisian?) desert and found the animal collar with the Dharma sign...so maybe that is why she is getting the nosebleeds?

Posted by: Moosehead2 | February 5, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

hey, ya know what? i don't think Locke actually gave the compass to Richard in the scene when they meet in 1954. He walks into their camp, calls out to Richard, introduces himself, is amazed to find the young Widmore there, and then.... Time Zap.

I don't think he even *showed* Richard the compass. Help!

Faraday could well be the Teller type. Although it is becoming increasingly unclear what Faraday is all about. Teller was way into huge big awful weapons. Faraday does seem to be the main scientist on the island, but he seems.... nicer.

Posted by: camis | February 5, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I have not followed the show for the whole time, nor have I studied all the details, BUT I seem to remember a bit last season where Rousseau says to Ben "You're not her father" - in regards to Alex.

Which would also throw into question what Ben meant when he told Widmore that he (Widmore) had changed the rules, which at the time seemed to refer to Widmore's henchmen killing Alex. Ben threatened to kill Penny - a daughter for a daughter - but there may be something else going on there. The wording struck me as curious at the time, too. *Changing* the rules is not the same as *breaking the rules* so.... the plot thickens.

It's actually raining in Los Angeles tonight.

Tons who who's-your-daddy stuff in this show!

Posted by: camis | February 5, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

hey, ya know what? i don't think Locke actually gave the compass to Richard in the scene when they meet in 1954. He walks into their camp, calls out to Richard, introduces himself, is amazed to find the young Widmore there, and then.... Time Zap.

I don't think he even *showed* Richard the compass. Help!

Posted by: camis | February 5, 2009 11:50 PM

Yeah, Locke did show Richard the compass. Because we see Richard holding it in his hand and he asks "I gave you this?" Then Locke asks him what year it is and Richard says 1954. Locke tells him, two years from now he will be born and Richard should come visit him. And we know this happens in Season 4, "Cabin Fever." Richard visits newborn John Locke in the hospital and again when he is a five-year-old- also presenting him with a compass, among other objects.

Anyway, the flash occurred just after the compass exchange in 1954, with Locke pleading for Richard to tell him how to get off the island.

Posted by: apfromal | February 6, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

apfromal - right! thanks for that clarification. maybe my nose is going to start bleeding soon, i seem to be getting befuddled.

Posted by: camis | February 6, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for that perspective tjkass, you are right that Juliet is the one making that distinction. Gives me another angle to watch: Juliet's little insights reveal a lot sometimes. If only she would sit down and say, "Here's everything I know...". But then there would be no more show.

I am sort of new to this column, but have Liz and Jen already talked about how Kate seems to represent pure instinct? And how Sayid tends to represent the moral compass forced to make hard decisions because he is constrained by required action, while Hurly gets to be the pure, unfiltered moral compass? I think we saw that on their faces at the marina slip 23 this week. Kate's instinct to not trust Ben was clear and Sayid can be used but he cannot be twisted (the way Jack can).

Posted by: a68comeback | February 6, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Good show again this week. Unlike some, I really do like the time hopping going on. It's a great plot device to fill in a lot of the story gaps that everyone who is participating in this celebritology blog really want answered. So now we know roughtly when and how (clearly some shipwreak) Rousseau got to the island. Perhaps we'll see how her compatriots die over the next 16 years. We now know she was pregnant when she arrived on the island so that's how she was able to deliver Alex without dieing in childbirth. I am with those who don't believe Alex is related to Ben. I think she was merely kidnapped as all children on the island appear to have been. It must have been at a fairly young age because she didn't appear to have any real recollection of her mother when they met last year. Why Ben "adopted" her in the sense that he calls her his daughter is yet unknown.

Re timejumping, I am hopeful that one of the jumps will take them back to the time when the Blackrock ends up on the island so that we can find out whether Richard was on the ship and who else may have been on it. I still think Widmore was and perhaps the young blonde girl with the gun in last week's episode.

I suspect Jin is working for Widmore now and probably for no better reason than she believes that Ben was responsible for Jin's "death". But it is pretty coincidental that she shows up just when Ben has through crook and hook managed to get 4 of the other Oceanic 6 together in one location and there is the prospect that Hurley will be with them shortly. So I'll throw this out for the group, could Ben and Widmore both be working together now to find the island? It's a reach but having Jin show up sure falls into Ben's plan pretty nicely.

Posted by: dojemc | February 6, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Oops. I meant Sun in the last paragraph.

Posted by: dojemc | February 6, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

dojemc,
I think that Kate called and told Sun to meet them there. Jack asked her to in the car when he got back from talking to Claire's mom.
Her showing up with the gun means that she clearly knew something fishy was going on and that Ben probably had something to do with it if Jack was the one requesting the meeting.


And in response to Ben/Widmore working together, I am not convinced of that. I think it will come down to a standoff of some sort because perhaps only one of them can actually return...

Posted by: Ohyouknow | February 6, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

a68comeback wrote: "
-Kate seems to represent pure instinct...
-Sayid tends to represent the moral compass...
-Hurly gets to be the pure, unfiltered moral compass...

Ok, I've been holding this back for a while since it sounds silly, but with the latin being spoken and now this comment about specific moral traits, well, I can't hold it in any longer...

Does anyone think the Others, especially Richard but also Ellie, Widmore, Ethan, etc, are the Greek/Roman gods, and the island is Mt Olympus or other mythological place? It hit me one day and I can't get it out of my head. To many things are clicking: The old age of Richard. The god like playing with people's lives. Lack of remore when killing people (Richard's emotionless statement that they killed the American soldiers when they would not leave was striking). Add to that all the wierd things going on, including the four toed statue (some greek gods were depicted with four toes).

Carrying this a little further, as my mind tends to do, imagine the plotline whereby the Greek/Roman gods were real, but over time people stopped believing in them. Their powers deminished. They left Mt. Olympus and created the island to live out their immortal lives, until people started dropping in. Add to that the gods would have children with mortals. These semi-gods, like Hercules, had god-like powers but were mortal.

Now, we know in this scenario that Richard would be a god. Which one I'm not sure. Ellie and Widmore would also be gods but now aging since they have been removed from the island. Ben is human but favored. Jack's father is probably a god meaning Jack is half-god and thus the reason he feels he has to go back to the island. Claire would be a half-god and her child 1/4-god making Aaron a sort-of a little prince.

I know its far fetched but as I said, I can't get it out of my head. Jacob could be a Titan, overthrown by Zeus and imprisoned in Tartarus, or underworld, since you cannot kill an immortal. Myths of wars and battles with one group throwing the other out of power are common only to have that group, or the children of the gods, overthrow them.

Oh no, my nose is bleeding...

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 6, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

bevjims - wow, a whole new idea and a very intriguing one. Gods cavorting with Mortals! My high school and college teachers would be appalled at how much I have forgotten about Greek and Roman mythology. Oh well, they tried. Hope you keep sharing these thoughts here.

I've also been thinking about the idea some posters have suggested that The Island is a kind of "living" entity that makes its own moral judgments. I'm thinking Richard might be the human manifestation of The Island. As far as I know, he is the only one who can predict what will happen "next" (as in telling Locke about when they will meet.) Others may "remember" something from a time zap into the past, but Richard seems to be a very steady solid character moving right along no matter "when" he is.

He could even be orchestrating events on the island (on behalf of the island). In his own quiet non-eyeliner way.

Posted by: camis | February 6, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I like that idea bevjims. And in most mythology, the gods play with us...: The losties are constantly being manipulated. How often have we seen various losties put in cages? Being "observed" from other Darhma stations? And there is a kind of didactic moralizing in each sub-story. I mean, Locke is all about the lesson, have you learned your lesson, that's the lesson...etc. FINALLY an idea that pulls in that crumbling, 4-toed, foot statue!

Posted by: a68comeback | February 6, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, Emerson in his interview mentions that Egypt will be important. Maybe its not Greek or Roman gods, but ancient Egyptian gods. That whole natural eyeliner thing seems Egyptian. And, Richard Alpert's initials are ... Ra.

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 6, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

you are cookin' !!

Posted by: camis | February 6, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I have some thoughts about Sun…last season she said there are two people she blames for the death of Jin. We know that Ben is one. I think Kate is the other one she blames. I think she is acting strange towards Kate, and she was the one that encouraged Kate to follow the lawyer leaving Aaron with her.

Posted by: lost1234 | February 7, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

I think Sun blames Ben and Widmore probably told Sun that the lawyer was hired by Ben, so having Kate follow the lawyer would lead Kate to Ben. Sun must be following Kate since Sun shows up as the other O6 meet up (in the scenes they showed for next week's episode). So I see Sun's manipulation of Kate as a way for Kate to lead Sun to Ben.

I overlooked something about Charlotte. Miles and Charlotte had a short conversation (When Faraday was ferrying people from the island to the freighter). Miles was surprised Charlotte was planning to leave the island. Charlotte asked why he was surprised and Miles said that after working so hard to get to the island he was surprised she would leave. A little later Charlotte tells Faraday that she is staying on the island. He asks why and she says "Would it make any sense if I told you I was still looking for where I was born?" So it seems Charlotte was born on the island but to who is unclear, but since she speaks Korean it was probably Dharma. Maybe not everyone was killed by Ben and the Others. Maybe Charlotte escaped with a small number of Dharma people. Maybe Marvin Candle raised Charlotte, which would explain her fluency in Korean. And if Miles is Candle's child, then they are like brother and sister. But I don't think Charlotte is Annie. Charlotte seems to be too young. But it wouldn't be Lost if she was not the daughter of someone important. Maybe Hanso.

Oh, one more thing. If my idea that the Others are ancient gods who are immortal, then I'm also guessing smokey is a god. Anyone know of an ancient god that meets smokey's description?

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 8, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey, watch the video on the Ajira website -- in the middle there are a few frames of a still photo of a chauffeur holding a sign that has an Arabic (?) word and the numbers 316. The photo is dated 1/21/09. Any thoughts on what thats all about?

Posted by: vinyasa | February 9, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I watched the Ajira Airways video on their website. It seems clear to me. Ajira will the airline the O6 fly to head back to the island.

I had thought they would use a boat but immediately wondered how that would be possible with only 70 hours. So I'm guessing they all go to LAX to get on a flight which will crash on the island, as evidenced by the Ajira Airways stuff on the beach. It will be interesting to hear Ben explain to them that the plane will crash but they will all be alright. I can hear Ben now saying "Trust me".

If true that would mean Sawyer et. al. are in the future, after the O6 crash back onto the island. How far I'm not sure. I'm also not sure how that would explain the canoe chase. Could the O6 be the ones chasing Sawyer et. al.? Did Juliet kill one of them when she shot back? Turn in next week! I mean, Wednesday.

Posted by: bevjims1 | February 9, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Dojemc, Danielle's entire group is killed by her not too long after they arrive on the island.

In season 1 Sayid, Shannon, Boone, Charlie and Kate pick up a transmission by Danielle. She says they (her crew) got the sickness and now she is alone. He (not sure who this is yet) is outside and has the keys.

Danielle sent this transmission out on a loop that gave iteration numbers. By calculating the numbers, Sayid was able to determine that the message had been going out for 16 years, 5 months. This is right after the Losties crashed in Sept of 2004, so Danielle said her entire group was dead in 1988.

She later told Sayid that, after she gave birth to Alex, she saw a column of black smoke and soon after the Others came and stole her child. She claimed she had not seen the Others but she heard them "they whisper."

Posted by: delicateflower | February 9, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Delicateflower: Thanks for the update. I recall the chain of events pretty much as you state with one exception. I don't recall Danielle saying (or the Losties finding out) that she killed her companions. I thought she may have said that they were killed by some outside force (smokie; others; ?) But it may be that she went crazy and did it herself. I just don't recall that. I suspect we may learn what happened in an upcoming show (maybe tonight?) Anyway, can't wait to see what happens next.

Posted by: dojemc | February 11, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

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