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Posted at 11:15 AM ET, 05/ 5/2009

Boob Job Doesn't Sink Miss California's Platform, Says Anti-Gay Marriage Group

By Liz Kelly

Miss California Carrie Prejean. (AP)

Last week, after news that Miss California had a boob job funded by the Miss California pageant organization, I got to thinking about the obvious contradictions embodied in Carrie Prejean's tiny (yet newly shapely) figure.

We wouldn't be talking about Prejean at all if she hadn't come out for "opposite marriage" (which the rest of us should understand as her disapproval of same-sex unions) during the Miss USA pageant. To be fair, Prejean was specifically asked about equal marriage rights by pageant judge Perez Hilton and in the first flush of reaction following her statement, I wasn't able to muster much more than a shrug for Prejean. She had voiced her opinion. Sure, it was oddly syntaxed and dripping with patriotism and I don't agree with her, but plenty of people do and she didn't say anything particularly inflammatory.

In fact, she said this:

I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage and, you know what, in my country and my family I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anyone out there but that's how I was raised and that's how I think it should be between a man and a woman.

One group of people who agree with Prejean is the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) -- a conservative group that most recently brought us the "Gathering Storm" PSA, in which actors were hired to appear as average citizens voicing their fears about scary same-sex marriage. For those who can't watch at work, the short ad warns us that gay marriage is only the first drop in what will become a deluge of loosened morals.

NOM was quick to enlist Prejean as a poster girl, claiming her "brave" stance on same-sex unions cost her the Miss USA title.

So, like many others, I had a bit of a chuckle last Friday when news surfaced that our wholesome miss Prejean, who says she'd rather stand up for what she believes in rather than "compromise that for a tiara," had breast augmentation only a few weeks before the pageant in the hopes of boosting her chances for a win. And the surgery wasn't just approved by the Miss California Pageant organization, but also paid for by said organization.

I had to wonder, how would the NOM -- a faith-based organization dedicated to defending American values -- react? Yesterday, I asked and by late afternoon had an answer in the form of a statement from NOM president Maggie Gallagher:

"I do not know whether Carrie had this surgery and I do not care. What I do care about is the way in which gay marriage advocates are determined to try to destroy Carrie--who has never hurt anyone--including releasing personal medical information that is just nobody's else's business. Carrie is not a preacher. She's a young California girl who turned down a tiara--and commercial success--and Hollywood dreams--simply because she didn't want to become the kind of person who is afraid to say what she believes. You don't have to be a perfect person to care about the future of marriage. I admire Carrie's courage, and so do most normal Americans, whether or not they agree with her views on gay marriage.

Everyone can see what is going on here: I expect more attacks on this twenty-something year old woman from people who don't want to debate the real issue: gay marriage has consequences."

On Monday, topless photos of a teenaged Prejean appeared on a gossip Web site. Prejean said the photos were posted in an attempt to "mock [her] Christian faith."

What do you think? Vote in the poll then continue the conversation below...

By Liz Kelly  | May 5, 2009; 11:15 AM ET
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But why is this relevant to any political position she takes? Who cares?

It's as if you are trying to come up with a "gotcha" you can't claim to be traditional about marriage AND want to have breast enhancement surgery.

Is having breast surgery somehow against Christian values?

It seems like just a reason to mock her b/c you disagree with her - NOT b/c she is doing something in conflict with her stated opinion.

Posted by: Amelia5 | May 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Is having breast surgery somehow against Christian values?

[T]opless photos of a teenaged Prejean appeared on a gossip Web site. Prejean said the photos were posted in an attempt to "mock [her] Christian faith."


IMO, Prejean mocked her own faith when she posed for those photos.

Having spent a brief period of time in an Evangelical mainstream Protestant denomination during my teens, I can confirm that both photos and implants would be definitely considered poor witnessing. In fact, parading onstage in a bikini (as Miss USA contestants do as part of the pageant) would have been considered unacceptable. We were even continually preached at re the evils of social dancing as poor witnessing(paging "Footloose"). Since this is the sort of religion that Prejean cites in opposing same-sex marriage, she needs to walk the walk, not just talk the talk (witness for her beliefs, instead of being a cafeteria Evangelical). Some would term her a hypocrite.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I haven't watched pageants since I was a young girl so thinks for telling us the actual quote Liz.
We can see now that she does not deserve to be villified. She is just not very well spoken (something I can relate to). She actually attempted to be diplomatic in saying she was glad there was a choice (acknowledging that she believes others have a right to their own views) but she herself believes in the ill chosen word "opposite marriage". I think many people hold the same opinion and that does not necessarily mean they hate gays or wish to take away or prevent equal rights. I haven't kept up with what she has said since, but I have to agree that her comments at that time were blown way out of proportion. She had a boob job, so what. This is Miss USA not Miss America.

By the way, is she related to Jessica Simpson?

Posted by: hodie | May 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Prejean herself mocked Christianity by posing topless. Just another phony trying to wrap herself in morality.

Posted by: buffysummers | May 5, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

This is another con job - train wreck story. Could Carrie Prejean really be as dumb as she seems? Shine the spotlight elsewhere.

Posted by: jezebel3 | May 5, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Whoever posted those photos of Ms. Prejean might have violated child porn laws. Now THAT is against Christian values.

Looks, she got a boob job, just because she is Christian doesn't mean she belongs to a Christian church that disapproves of such things. There are a TON of Christian churches all with varying beliefs. Some accept gay marriage, some don't. Some are okay with implants, some are not.

This is just more of trying to discredit her because she didn't go along with the PC line on gay marriage. If she had come out for it, and then signed up with an organization promoting it, no one would care about the implants or her "abandoning" her previous platform. It is solely because she is espousing a position that people don't like. Free speech means even speech we disagree with.

Posted by: epjd | May 5, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Well said Hodie .... my exact sentiments. You would think that she had called for all gays to be publicly tarred and feathered, or said they're all going to hell. As a liberal secularist, I hate the intolerence of the Christian right most of all, and I equally hate the intolerance of far-left. And nowhere in the Bible does it say "Thou shall not enhance thy boobies."

Posted by: rashibama | May 5, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Please. Carrie Prejean did was a bunch of other young women have done--posed provocatively in an attempt to have some sort of career in modeling/acting, whatever. So what? I think it's stupid but I think cheerleading is stupid too.
She shared her opinion when asked, answered fumblingly but honestly. I can't knock her for that whether or not I agree with her. In fact, given the questioner and the firestorm that was going to come up around her, I kind of admire her willingness to just state her opinion. Not everyone would.
I do wish that she had felt good enough about herself (created by God, right?) to NOT get a boob job and just be the person she is. That's the part that seems very contradictory to me.

Posted by: pras40 | May 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Jez
Could Carrie Prejean really be as dumb as she seems?

Possibly. Consider this assessment of her from a marketing perspective:

"Miss California USA Should Quit or Be Fired," by John Tantillo:
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/05/02/miss_california_usa-2

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the quote Liz- my opinion of Miss California really improved. I still don't agree with what she has to say, and I'll continue to support gay equality and fight against groups like NOM, but I respect her for stating her opinion in an honest and non-inflammatory way. I feel like the implant thing is a separate issue. Not something I'd do, and it seems wrong to me that she feels she needs to surgically alter her body to compete in this event, but it's her choice. /shrug
A thought: did Miss California agree to work with NOM, or did they claim her as a poster girl without her permission?

Posted by: Bawlmer51 | May 5, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Could Carrie Prejean really be as dumb as she seems?"

No question. And that is one of the worst boob jobs I've ever seen. You could drive a truck between those cantaloupes bolted to her chest.

Posted by: Californian11 | May 5, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Possibly done by the same surgeon who did Posh Spice Beckham's boob job, Californian11.

Posted by: pras40 | May 5, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Precisely. Carrie Prejean is a young woman who has done what some other insecure, inexperienced young women do (breast augmentation, posing for nude photos). And she is a beauty pageant contestant. Wowie. She is not a recognized academic, editorialist, marriage expert or anyone of any substance to whom we should pay greater attention. Who cares WHAT she thinks, quite frankly. And yes, from my optic, her foibles discredit her as a spokesperson advocating marriage (she can't even make good decisions about how to present herself to the public; marriage is much headier stuff). The organization that has solicited her to assist in their PR campaign perhaps WILL get a greater audience share if they publish those photos. And isn't THAT ironic.

Posted by: VirginiaReader1 | May 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty much anti-pageant for various reasons. My biggest problem w/Ms. Prejean is her assertion that her stance cost her the crown. What were the point totals for the winner & Ms. Prejean? Is there any actual proof her answer caused her to come in second? It's her assertion that her answer cost her the crown that has garnered her this attention, not the answer itself. If she had never said anything, the anti gay marriage groups would probably never have heard of her.

Posted by: jes11 | May 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Now I don't have an opinion on the boobs business, but her answer should have lost her the pagent because it was inarticulate and inaccurate. It is frustrating to me that an intelligent conversation dissecting her answer isn't possible because Perez Hilton stooped lower than she did and lost the high ground of the argument.

The fact is, that she said she lives in a country where folks can choose same-sex marriages - which is not accurate. There are some states that are now beginning to allow it, but it is certainly not a universal right across the country.

As for her being honest enough to voice her own opinion and being not PC, would you admire the non-pc person who voiced the following:

No offense but I believe that voting should be allowed only to men, that's how I was raised.

or

No offense but I believe that the front of buses should be for white men and women, that's how I ws raised.

As I tell the boy, putting 'no offense' in front of a phrase doesn't eliminate the offense.

I do believe that gay marriage is a separation of church and state issue and I firmly believe that founding principle of our country, needs to be upheld. If it is against your religion, fine. My religion says it's allowable and my government shouldn't fail to recognize it, if they do they are utilizing religion to define the 'state' treatment of a citizen (e.g. taxes, healthcare, legal rights and authorities), and what ever your belief system, do you really want to invite the government in to your church?

Posted by: LTL1 | May 5, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh, hey, I actually read my own damn Facebook link. She DID agree to work with NOM. Bye-bye, respect!

Posted by: Bawlmer51 | May 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who takes that silly girl's beliefs and thoughts seriously is a fool, boob job or no boob job.

Posted by: LittleRed1 | May 5, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

What is the point of the interview portion of the competition anyway? It detracts from the real drama of figuring out which one has the biggest hair, whitest teeth and most flattering boob job.

Posted by: 44west | May 5, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Is there any actual proof her answer caused her to come in second?
Posted by: jes11 | May 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Perez Hilton basically said as much after the pageant was over. Who knows if that was true or just part of his rant, but it was being said by folks other than her.

I think this whole thing is dumb. She answered the question honestly, if not intelligently, and did so in a manner that was meant to be as non-offensive as possible. For a group of people that has fought for rights and acceptance for so long, the gay community should be the LAST group of people turning on someone for a difference of opinion. Seems a bit hypocritical, doesn't it?

Posted by: franchiseinATL | May 5, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't think these two issues have anything to do with one another.

Posted by: Rob35 | May 5, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I expect the pageants to attract these kind of girls. However, it does show the hypocrisy of the pageant system - it really is all about T&A.

Posted by: kvs71 | May 5, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually, we DO live in a country where some types of "alternative marriage" are completely legal:

http://www.hollyscoop.com/sarah-jessica-parker/sarah-jessica-parker-has-marriage-doubts_15751.aspx

(that's for you, Sasquatch)

Posted by: GroovisMaximus61 | May 5, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Amelia5: "But why is this relevant to any political position she takes? Who cares?"

Rob35: "I don't think these two issues have anything to do with one another."

epjd: "This is just more of trying to discredit her because she didn't go along with the PC line on gay marriage."

What they said.

Posted by: td_in_baltimore | May 5, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Love ya, Liz, but I gotta agree w/Amelia and Hoodie.

To answer your question, no, the boob job and her pagent answer have nothing to do w/ each other (imho).

Posted by: Guest1234 | May 5, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

'I think same sex couples shouldn't be married because they dont have maps - like in the iraq'

Seriously... Announcement of Playboy photo shoot in 3..2..

Posted by: quintiliusvarus | May 5, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

It's a free country for you to express your opinion. But when your opinion diverges from reality, I've got a right to call you out. I don't care whether you are a Rep. Virginia Foxx saying that Matthew Shepard's hate crime was a 'hoax' or Carrie Prejean saying that "Americans are able to choose one way or the other."

It isn't true that Americans are able to choose. Yes, you can get married, as long as you can accept that the marriage will not be recognized in most states. And d@mn straight, I'm offended by a pageant contestant using her "right to an opinion" to roll over the facts.

Opinions are one thing. But bolstering that opinion on what is clearly a lack of understanding of the current law shows ignorance. Throwing the "no offense" in there, while flashing her dazzling smile, shows insensitivity and insincerity. How can she say she is "it is great that Americans can choose" when she wants to take that choice away?

Opinions should be defended, particularly by someone hoping to launch a successful national campaign. In the end, her only defense of being anti "opposite marriage" is that it was how she was raised.

That begs the question, folks. We don't set policy based on how people are raised. We set policy based on what is good for society and Ms. Prejean cannot articulate how "opposite marriage" hurts society. That will be the weakness of hers or any campaign to "protect marriage."

Posted by: mdreader01 | May 5, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

How is the Miss USA pageant a freee-speech zone? Isn't it really just a series of steps in a job-application process, which includes an interview? The successful candidate is the one whose answers best serve the employer's interests. Miss California's did not. (Remember that Teen Miss South Carolina's map kerfuffle?).

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

free, not freee.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Why are so many people hostile to the fact that this woman deigned to voice HER opinion which happened to differ with Perez Hilton's and many others? Folks have to remember a couple of things: a) she voiced the same position that our President has and b) gay marriage was put to a vote in CA and the majority voted it down. Moreover her opinion is no different than that of a majority if the american people. Why can't people accept the legitimate outcome of democracy? If it had passed, would so many be up in arms about having won via the vote? This woman voiced her opinion and she is entitled to it. She in no way deserves to be villified like this, mocked like this, have her faith and the faith of others mocked and denigrated like this. Releasing benign pictures of her or highlighting the fact that she had a boob job doesn't have anything at all to do with her opinion, it's simply irrelevant.

Posted by: gwashington73 | May 5, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

So is this a booby kennedy day or what?

Posted by: hodie | May 5, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"I expect more attacks on this twenty-something year old woman from people who don't want to debate the real issue: gay marriage has consequences."

Because, you know, when every state declares gay marriage legal, "opposite" marriage will become illegal. You heard it here first!

(No, I don't mean it, it's my lame attempt at a joke).


"So is this a booby kennedy day or what?

Posted by: hodie "

In more ways than one!!!! :)

Posted by: eet7e | May 5, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

In the photo Liz has supplied, doesn't Miss California resemble Barbie to a frightening degree?

quintiliusvarus
Seriously... Announcement of Playboy photo shoot in 3..2..

Brilliant snark, Q!

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I do not agree with Ms. Cali's stance, but I think the real question here is, why the he11 is Perez Hilton a judge for the Ms. USA Pageant?

Posted by: Osteph | May 5, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The boob job has nothing to do one way or the other with her stance or her credibility. I can't take her seriously on any level, so it really doesn't matter. Fortunately, I don't have to take her seriously.

I've said this before, but here I go again: I may utterly condemn someone's beliefs but I'll fight for their right to express them. The right to express a certain belief, however, does not make it right or validated. Some idiot wearing a bed sheet spouting off about white supremacy and advocating restrictions on minorities for example. A vapid beauty contestant advocating restricting the legal rights inherent to a civil union to male/female unions only is merely another example.

As for the president's publicly stated position and any state that voted for or against gay marriage initiatives, the argument is moot. There was a time when the majority of voters would have voted to retain slavery in certain states. We have a judiciary branch of government to protect citizens' rights from the tyranny of the majority, which is why the whole marriage debate is, rightly, going to be decided in the courts instead of the ballot box. It will come down to a civil rights issue and the courts will, I believe, affirm that we are a nation that does not willingly infringe on the civil rights of its citizens.

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

gwashington73,

The correct answer for Miss California should have been,

"Perez, I believe marriage should be between one man and one woman. You and I disagree on that point and right now, each state is working that out for itself. This diversity of opinion and our freedom to share that diversity is one of the reasons why I love this country so much."

Had she said that, you would have been looking at your next Miss USA.

Instead, she uttered a clunky, untrue, insincere response. I agree the plastic surgery is an unnecessary toss on at this point. But she has become a national spokeswoman for a campaign to save straight marriage.

But here's the thing... if your yardstick is "what the majority of Americans believes" or "what the President thinks" you are not coming at this from a moral standpoint, are you?

Posted by: mdreader01 | May 5, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't feel sorry for Miss California - I actually feel sorry for Miss North Carolina. She won the thing....but no one wants to talk about HER.

Posted by: GroovisMaximus61 | May 5, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

What mdreader and Nosy said.

Memo to Maggie Gallagher: Miss Prejean did not "turn down a tiara" in order to freely speak her mind, she came in second. She did not win and decline a la Brando, she just didn't win. There's a difference in there.

Posted by: northgs | May 5, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

mdreader, let's just hope she's not coming at this from the same standpoint as Mayor-For-Life Marion Barry, who's decided to stand with the "ministers who stand on the moral compass of God," just as he has lo, these many decades, NOT.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

And the winner of the Lizard Island Beauty Pageant, because we all know what counts is the beauty on the inside, is mdreader!!!

What a great response and would that we all could speak so eloquently.

Posted by: hodie | May 5, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

northgs, you're right. Miss California is a sore loser, and just scapegoating those who disagree with her for her loss, rather than looking at her own inarticulateness, not to mention her utterly plastic appearance. Same way she's blaming those who revealed pictures she knowingly had taken of herself en déshabille, rather than taking responsibility for their existence herself, as she should.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I heard her on Today show after she signed on with NOM, and she came off kind of programmed, and not so much speaking from the heart as she did in her pageant quote.

What I am wondering is this:

Why is Perez Hilton a pageant judge? Then again, forget that... Why is Perez Hilton? Shouldn't his 15 minutes be up?

Posted by: memphis1 | May 5, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

memphis
Why is Perez Hilton a pageant judge?

Because Donald Trump owns the pageant, so he can have anyone he dang well feels like it be a judge. Money talks...

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

ps, mdreader, I was not being sarcastic. I really do think that was a great answer.
I would like to believe that she initially was trying to convey that opinion too but unfortunately she was not able to express herself so well under pressure. Not sure if the continued attacks against her has made her join those who are far right on the issue so that she may "save face" or if she would have anyway. I personally do not agree with her but feel it was very unfortunate how all of this played out and guess that she had no intention of being an activist.

Posted by: hodie | May 5, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

hodie
unfortunately she was not able to express herself so well under pressure.

Shouldn't being able to express oneself well under pressure be a legitimate qualification for Miss USA?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Osteph
I do not agree with Ms. Cali's stance, but I think the real question here is, why the he11 is Perez Hilton a judge for the Ms. USA Pageant?

Maybe he was trying to get the name of the doctor who did her work?

Posted by: irishone | May 5, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I doubt it Irishone, Californian was right--that is a really lousy boob job.

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

sorcerers_cat
that is a really lousy boob job.

Yet another reason for Miss California not to have won the Miss USA title, by their criteria?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, Nosy. But I bet she wouldn't have won Miss California if she'd had it done before that pageant, as I imagine most of her competition would have had superior work done! ;-)

Seriously, I remember when I first moved down here to SoCal and experienced the whole culture shock of being part of the non-enhanced minority at certain events and activities. It was kind of surreal.

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

sorcerers_cat
part of the non-enhanced minority

SPLOOT!

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Join the club, sorcerers_cat. ;-) Maybe we should get T-shirts made with that great line from Seinfeld: "They're real, and they're spectacular."

On a more serious note, LTL1 brings up a very good point. Gays are the last group it is "OK" to openly hate/discriminate against. None of these contestants would voice a racist, misogynist, anti-Semitic, etc. comment.

Posted by: Californian11 | May 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I mean it! Was on a big sailboat with five other women passengers and only two of us were as god made us, so to speak. Of the other four, there was one truly terrifying woman who had to be in her 50's in a bikini with a rock hard body of fake parts and a scary mask of a face (think along the lines of a slightly less deformed Joan Rivers). I mean, she scared the fish!

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Great idea, Cali!

I probably see more of it because I live at the beach and commute by rollerblade on the beach path, but it's still a startling portion of the population.

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Sniff...sniff...

Why, thank you, Nosy Parker. I accept this tiara on behalf of all the little peopl....

no...wait a minute.

I refuse to accept the tiara and send my emmissary, Marion Barry to accept in my place and make an impassioned speech about the true moral erosion here: letting internet gossip bloggers ask questions of beauty pageant contenstants.

No good can come of it.

Posted by: mdreader01 | May 5, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

sorcerers_cat
she scared the fish!

You guys, my keyboard's drowning in sploots!

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember, isn't Marion Barry the one with the coke and the hookers and all that back in the day?

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

mdreader, Honesty compels me to confess that it was our splendid Lizard Island witch doctor hodie who complimented you so highly. Although I (and doubtless others) surely second her comments.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

hodie
unfortunately she was not able to express herself so well under pressure.

Shouldn't being able to express oneself well under pressure be a legitimate qualification for Miss USA?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely, but that wasn't the question we were assigned to address. I'm with you all here. She would not be a good Miss USA. She is dumb as a box of rocks. I disagree with her views. But what I am saying, is that I think she probably didn't intentionally come off sounding as Anti-gay as she did and shouldn't be villified for that performance. I can't defend her now speaking for NOM but I believe she wouldn't have done so if it weren't for the backlash of her pageant remarks.

Posted by: hodie | May 5, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

sorcerers_cat
I can't remember, isn't Marion Barry the one with the coke and the hookers and all that back in the day?

One and the same.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

hodie, I think it's more that she's a sore loser, so tried to find a scapegoat instead of looking in the (figurative as well as literal) mirror for the blame.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

So, if she was a minor when she posed for those pictures, doesn't posting them mean that any website that displays the picture is promoting underage porn?

Posted by: StuckatWork | May 5, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I live at the beach and commute by rollerblade on the beach path, but it's still a startling portion of the population.

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

sorcerer's cat count me very jealous!!! Hey and send me one of those t-shirts.

Posted by: hodie | May 5, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry hodie! Didn't mean to inspire jealousy! I do really know how lucky I am to have a job three and a half miles away by bike path. However, if it makes you feel any better, it can be REALLY hairy, very annoying and sometimes downright dangerous esp in summer due to oblivious tourists walking on or across the bike and blade superhighway -- I've had one pretty bad spill and more near-misses than I care for. I'm actually hanging up my blades until I get a helmet after what happened to Natasha.

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Could we specify an exemption for reconstructive implants for mastectomy patients (e.g., Christina Applegate), folks with disfiguring injuries and those who through purely bad luck are very lopsided?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Carrie Prejean's career will not sink because she has a set of personal flotation devices.

quintiliusvarus asks:
"In the photo Liz has supplied, doesn't Miss California resemble Barbie to a frightening degree?"

Nope. Boobs aren't up to barbie standards. Barbie does DD.

Seems to me that the National Organization for Mormons...err Marriage seized on the opportunity provided by Carrie Prejean's bad attempt to finesse her way out of a Perez hilton "gotcha" question. But it could have been worse. Perez could have asked Carrie Prejean whehter there is patent inequity between the federal bailout for financial firms versus the federal bailout for vehicle manufacturers. Can anyone imagine Carier trying to finesse that one? it would make Miss South Carolina's non-sequitur answer look erudite.

Groovis, thanks for the link. SJP's marriage is definitely a horse of a different color.

Finally, Socercer's Cat's (a DOUBLE Possessive!) comments about the silicone scenry in California brings back mammaries...errr...memories of a month-long business trip I had in the South Bay area in the early 90s. There were plastic fantastic people everywhere. I recall a concert that a lady friend and I attended at the Baja Palos Verdes Library one evening. We seemed to be the only adults in the place -- male and female --that had never gone under the knife. Everyone was so beautiful, so tan, so rich, so shallow......

The most memorable time I had was riding the coastal bike path -- the same one referred to by Sorcerer's Cat? -- from Redondo to Venice Beach and back one Saturday. The silicone scenery was so spectacular that I would have suffered burned retinas if not for my sun glasses.

And ducking the 747s on final approach to LAX was rather interesting, as well.

Posted by: angelos_peter | May 5, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Perez could have asked Carrie Prejean whehter there is patent inequity between the federal bailout for financial firms versus the federal bailout for vehicle manufacturers. Can anyone imagine Carier trying to finesse that one? it would make Miss South Carolina's non-sequitur answer look erudite.

Posted by: angelos_peter | May 5, 2009 5:13 PM
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I can't imagine Perez Hilton finessing that one. He could barely spit out the question he asked.

No. The thing I want to see is a pageant contestant get up there and laugh pleasantly and say, "Wow. That's some question. I'll be sure to have an answer for you if I decide to run for Congress. But for now, I'm just a beauty pageant contestant who knows from experience to keep my fool mouth shut."

And sorry Hodie. I get you and Nosy Parker mixed up sometimes. Heaven knows why. Maybe it's because you're both so witty and knowledgeable.

Posted by: mdreader01 | May 5, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I think it's great that we live in a country where someone can get rich because of how they look. For too long have the beautiful people suffered. It's about damn time that good-looking people got their due. It's an effing travesty how they have been discriminated against. And in this day-and-age! For shame, people. For shame. *wags finger disapprovingly*

Posted by: j-man1 | May 5, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Yep, it's the same path angelos, goes from South Malibu all the way down to PV or thereabouts. The only time it strays from the beach is to go around the Marina.

If you were ducking 747s on final approach it must have been a weird wind day, as they only approach over the water very rarely--that's the take-off direction ;-) But they do seem very close when you're on that part of the path down there. Even better is the corner where Lincoln turns onto Sepulveda and they're coming in on the East runway--there's one point of the corner where it looks like they're going to fly right into your windshield! Actually, everyone here has probably seen it--its the standard low flyover to landing shot you've seen in countless movies.

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Do bigger hooters "lessen her heft"? Heh, you guys at WaPo, are a hoot. Her gravitas was created by NOM, who've exploited and promoted the lie she "turned down" the title in order to support their cause.

What "dripping patriotism"? Her reference to "MY country" in context of denying fellow Americans the right to marry stank of innuendo: "MY country, not THEIRS"

Posted by: jhbyer | May 5, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

ROFL, sorcerers_cat! Tea on keyboard and monitor!

Boy do I hear ya re. the beach. I also live at the beach and see some seriously scary plastic surgery science projects. Sad thing is, they probably were attractive before.

My former office was literally right across the street from the ocean, and while the guys in my office sure enjoyed the "scenery" (especially since it was all on such prominent display), I for one am glad I now work several miles inland, with a more normal (or at least fully dressed) population.

Posted by: Californian11 | May 5, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse


Could we specify an exemption for reconstructive implants for mastectomy patients (e.g., Christina Applegate), folks with disfiguring injuries and those who through purely bad luck are very lopsided?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker

Hey Nosy, I think that exception goes without saying, or it certainly does with me (my late Mother having had mastectomy and reconstruction surgery; a close friend surgery to fix a scar from going through a windshield in an accident; etc.) Why don't we just assume we're all talking about elective vanity surgery?

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

sorcerers_cat, So sorry to hear about your mom. I'm sure our proposed exemption will pass by acclamation in the Lizard Island legislatures.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Where's the link to the photos? Isn't this a gossip web site? Liz linked to Brit's hoo-haw, so why not an underaged airhead's unaugmented boobs?

Posted by: kabuki3 | May 5, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Nosy. It was two years ago in February and pancreatic cancer got her in the end. My best friend's mom just went this past February and we're both thinking of getting thoroughly drunk on Mother's Day if we can survive all the advertising and hype between now and then!

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so I Googled, found the site, saw the pic, and it was about as revealing as a bra ad. By the way, how do we know she was underaged?

Posted by: kabuki3 | May 5, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

sorcerers_cat, I understand your desolation, as my parents are both dead (although I've learned the hard way that a hangover is life's punishment for drowning one's sorrows).

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | May 5, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Back to the point of the question. Anyone who has breast augmentation surgery loses a certain degree of "heft" on almost every issue. If you've had breast augmentation surgery and want to be taken seriously, you'd better claim you're wearing a Wonderbra.

Posted by: Charlie_Henss | May 5, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

So sorry about you and your best friend's moms, sorcerers_cat ... too bad I can't get those T-shirts done before Sunday. It'd be a nice pick-me-up for a tough day. In lieu of T-shirts, we lizards will be thinking of you.

Posted by: Californian11 | May 5, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh, figure of speech mostly, Nosy. It's just the constant bombardment of flower site emails and newspaper ads and inserts and so on has really got my friend down since they only just had the memorial service for her mom. And she passed within a day or so of the anni of my Mom, so we've got that anniversary to spend together for the rest of our lives.
Thanks for the kind thoughts.

Okay, before I bum anyone else out who happens to still be around, back to snark! Or celebrity stuff, or whatever. I know you're a Bones fan, Nosy--d'you remember the one in LA that dealt with plastic surgery? It was really kind of sad. "The Woman at the Airport" it was called.

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Cali! On second thought, the only problem with those t-shirts is they invite ogling and I really can't deck someone for examining my chest if I'm more or less advertising for them to do it. hmmmmmm. problematic.

Posted by: sorcerers_cat | May 5, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Is she really an activist? That's more the question. I don't think the boob job matters but I also don't really give a hoot what she thinks about gay marriage. She may be riding the celeb wave right now but if you just take her answer that is by no means the answer an activist would give. For my 2 cents I think she's wrong and Perez is a nit wit for trying to make more out of her answer. He gave her credibility by saying it lost her the crown.

Posted by: Vienna8425 | May 5, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

The witch trial continues...

I really didn't care very much about this same-sex marriage business before, but now I see that this isn't just about personal freedom but that the left is trying to vilify anyone who doesn't agree with them. This is worth fighting.

Posted by: _kt_ | May 5, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't vote in this survey because the "Who Cares?" choice was missing.

Posted by: howdydoody1 | May 5, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Do bigger hooters "lessen her heft"?

Posted by: jhbyer | May 5, 2009 5:41 PM
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jh, that question can only be answered by Rush Limbaugh, who still has bigger hooters than Carrie Prejean.

Posted by: mdreader01 | May 5, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

The witch trial continues...

I really didn't care very much about this same-sex marriage business before, but now I see that this isn't just about personal freedom but that the left is trying to vilify anyone who doesn't agree with them. This is worth fighting.

Posted by: _kt_ | May 5, 2009 7:02 PM
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Wow. Our gossip blog has inspired your activism. All the best to you. I hope your argument against gay marriage is better than Miss California's.

Posted by: mdreader01 | May 5, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree with Bill Maher on this one. She looks like a transvestite with a ceramic face and a smile implant as well.

As to how this affects ... anything, I have to agree with the previous poster, there was no who givesash!t option.

Posted by: katavo | May 6, 2009 6:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't agree with what she said, but I also do not agree that everyone and their mother are calling her foul names and making fun of her appearance.

Debate her stupid comments about gay marriage, not her boob or her face. I am sorry, but that is just wrong.

Posted by: supersonic1 | May 6, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"I don't agree with what she said, but I also do not agree that everyone and their mother are calling her foul names and making fun of her appearance.

Debate her stupid comments about gay marriage, not her boob or her face. I am sorry, but that is just wrong."

She's a beauty pageant contestant...

And we're not allowed to criticize the way she looks?

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 6, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

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