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Posted at 10:44 AM ET, 03/31/2010

'Lost' Dueling Analysis: 'The Package'

By Jen Chaney and Liz Kelly

In which Jen and Liz dissect a particularly good episode, consider the deeper meaning of tomatoes and reach a whole new level of clever. Read along, then join them at 2 p.m. for the "Lost" Hour live chat. In the meantime, visit "Lost" Central to brush up on your island back story.

Sun (Yunjin Kim) ponders Richard's plan to destroy the Ajira plane. (ABC)

Jen: I want to start today's analysis of what I think (hope?) we both will agree was a stellar episode by quoting a wise man. And no, that wise man isn't Charles Widmore, and the quote has nothing to do with a war coming to the island. The wise man I refer to now is... Farmer Ted. That's right. Anthony Michael Hall from "Sixteen Candles." And the quote, for those of you who don't have that fine little '80s comedy burned into your brain cells, occurs right after Caroline Mulford passes out in Farmer Ted's lap while he's driving Jake Ryan's father's car. Says Ted, looking right into camera: "THIS is getting good." And that's how I feel about "Lost" as of this very moment -- it's going to take us somewhere really interesting in these last six (sob) episodes. I'm feelin' it now.

Part of the reason I'm feeling it? I got genuinely weepy for the first time this season. A Jin/Sun episode is almost guaranteed to do it to you every time. And when Jin finally got to see digital images of his sweet, little Ji Yeon on Sun's digital camera -- which, yes, survived that crash in remarkably pristine shape -- I couldn't hold back the verklemptness. Sadly, I was wrong about my prediction in yesterday's "Lost" 5 -- Jin and Sun didn't reunite. But I was right about Widmore's "package" being none other than Desmond, something many people also already predicted a couple of weeks ago. Phew. I'm out of breath. Take the mic, Liz, before I start getting weepy again.

Liz: Actually, I think I predicted the package was Desmond a few weeks back when Sawyer first encountered that locked sub door. Which is why I was jumping up and down in my seat screeching "I was so right" as soon as they dragged him onto the dock. Was I alone in this prediction? No. Does that make me feel any less triumphant? Also, no.

But to your first point -- it is indeed getting good. It's also, ahem, about time. I think we can all agree we've sat through some stinkers in the lead up. But as Mr. Liz said after tonight's awesomeness fest, "Maybe we had to go through that to get where we are." Maybe. I'm not sure we haven't been subjected to some needless filler this season, but if nothing else it makes us appreciate it when the show is firing on all cylinders, like it did last night.

But before we talk about that package and what it means for our friendly little island war, maybe we should talk about Jin and Sun -- who may just be closer than they realize.

Much more after the jump...


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Jen: Absolutely. Let's go straight to the flash sideways. The big reveal in the first few minutes... Jin and Sun are not married. He has no wedding ring, which connects back nicely to the fact that he gave Locke his ring in season five, just before Locke -- when he was still Locke -- turned the donkey wheel.

Which raises the question: is Sun involved with someone else back in Korea? Is it possible that Jae Lee -- who was her lover in the previous timeline -- is her significant other and her father really doesn't want her with Jin because he expects her to marry him? I'm liking that idea myself.

Liz: Indeed. Not married, though Sun still boarded that plane to L.A. with plans to escape. Just with Jin, instead of from him.

Interesting re: Jae Lee. Could be. But I'm going to guess that the baby is still Jin's. The fact that they aren't married does parallel -- as sideways world is wont to do -- the island action. Although L.A. Jin and Sun are able to get down in a ritzy hotel, they aren't bound together by marriage. So in a sense they are spiritually apart, as on the island they remain physically separated. They seem to be forever trading places. Sun started out the season on Hydra, and now Jin's there.

Jen: Right. And now Sun can't speak English, but Jin? He's spot-on. I have to say, I so love that. And for the record, I believe Sun's baby in sideways L.A. is also still Jin's. And I can even connect my rationale back to that tomato Jack showed Sun toward the end of the episode. But not yet.

Liz: Another parallel: Both Sun and Jin get bumped on the head -- Sun by running into a tree and Jin by being pushed into the doorframe of a walk-in freezer. When Sun hit her head she lost her ability to speak English. Since Keamy made such a point of noting Jin's head bump, I have to wonder what effect it may have had on him. Maybe, as you say, the fact that his English is now better than ever.

Jen: His English is great on the island, yes. Could the bump in sideways world be affecting what's happening on the island, though?

Liz: Well, we've talked about that possibility before -- that what happens in one has some kind of impact on the other. I think we last left that debate as undecided. As to whether it was really happening and, if so, which world had the dominant role.

Jen: Right. I remain undecided.

Let's talk about the Kwon factor. We've discussed the significance of the name Kwon being on the cave wall. Does it mean Jin? Sun? Both? Even MIB, apparently, didn't even know.

Liz: No, so he's hedging his bets by trying to gather both Kwons for his unscheduled flight back to the real world. Which, according to Widmore, will bring an end to life as we know it. But I jump ahead.

Jen: But if sideways world really does relate in some way to the island world, then Kwon stands for Jin, as the show made a point of demonstrating when he and Ms. Paik checked into their hotel room. Plus, Paik is Sun's maiden name anyway. So it makes more sense for Kwon to mean Jin, much as I somehow want it to mean both of them. Because I'm all sappy like that.

Liz: Agreed. Though, as I said above, it seems Locke is going to play it safe and go for both Kwons, while Widmore on the other hand, doesn't seem to want Jin for his possible "candidate" status at all, but because his name is appended to a series of maps showing pockets of electromagnetism on the island. At least, according to Zoe (aka Dirty Liz Lemon).

Jen: Well, I think that's the reason Zoe thinks Widmore wants him. Given the way Widmore pulled all the right strings with Jin -- talking about his daughter, and relating her to Penny -- Widmore is using Jin to thwart MIB's efforts. Surely Charlie W. knows that Jin doesn't know a thing about electromagnetic packets. He signed the maps as a Dharma employee who knew the island, but not the science behind it.

Liz: It may be a valid reason. Widmore knows about the electromagnetism, having been an island denizen himself once. And I agree that Widmore is hitting all of Jin's soft spots -- but it is for Jin's knowledge and possibly his ability to lead Widmore and his people to those pockets. He's not treating Jin as a prisoner anymore. He wants him on his side willingly. Speaking of Widmore...

I was a little conflicted by the guy tonight. When he showed Jin those pix of Ji Yeon on the camera, he talked of being a father himself and it was reminiscent of a season 5 kinder, gentler Charles Widmore. But that kinder, gentler side is a bit hard to square with someone who drugs that daughter's husband (Desmond) and takes him against his will (we have to assume) back to an island he never wanted to see again.

Jen: Okay, backing up for a second. Good point about Jin and the electromagnetic pockets. He probably knows where they are, even if he doesn't understand why they are. So that does make him a useful source. Now, re: Des and the drugs... This is not the first time someone has been doped up en route to the island. (Please see Juliet, while heading to the island with the help of Richard and Ethan.) We don't know Desmond's story yet, so I am going to withhold judgment about whether Widmore is drugging Des against his will, or whether Des is Pen's husband, even.

Now, we have to pause for what is breaking news from the Twitterverse. Or at least, it's breaking news while we're writing this, but probably won't be by Wednesday morning when this is actually published online. But whatever.

Earlier this evening, Damon Lindelof tweeted the following: "In one week, the conversation is going to change."

Is there a midseason game changer ahead? Or does he mean that we'll be talking about Desmond and what may or may not be his demise in next week's episode? Sorry, I didn't mean to go Desmond until the end of this analysis, but Lindelof's cryptic tweets got me all off my game.

Liz: Well, as you mentioned in the preview ahead of this week's episode, we've been told to expect some deaths.

Jen: Let's marinade on that and continue with our analysis, already in progress.

Liz: Indeed, there is still a bit of Kwon talk to get through, methinks.

In yet another echo of earlier seasons, we saw a frustrated Sun turn to her garden for some catharsis, only to be interrupted by an unwanted intruder: MIB. And, again, as a result Sun ended up unconscious.

Jen: Ah, nice flashback, Mizz Liz. If you remember -- and I know you do -- Sun said the Others were responsible for her kidnapping. She later realized it was Charlie and Sawyer, pretending to be Others. This is a case of history repeating itself. Sun thinks MIB/Locke caused her head injury. And he didn't at all. Poor MIB. So misunderstood.

Liz: Indeed. Perhaps we should talk about MIB for second. He wasn't the focus of tonight's show, but he did have some interesting lines. For instance, telling Sayid that perhaps it was better to not feel pain considering what is coming. He also had a heart-to-heart with Claire and basically gave her the go-ahead to deal with Kate as she sees fit once he's done with her (Kate). And then, of course, there was his exchange with Widmore.

Jen: Before we go to Widmore, let's talk about that Claire exchange. MIB's use of the phrase "whatever happens, happens" caught my attention. In the context in which he used it, he was, as you said, giving Claire carte blanche to do whatever she wishes with Kate, once they're all en route off the island. But it's also an echo of the phrase, "Whatever happened, happened," a favorite of Daniel Faraday's. And a phrase that indicated you couldn't change fate. So MIB, as we also learned last week, seems to believe in destiny. You are who you are, what will be, will be.

By the way -- Faraday? Also a physicist. Like Zoe.

Liz: Indeed. Though when MIB utters those words they take on a sinister quality Daniel Faraday just didn't possess.

But yes, I believe our MIB is a man of faith. But faith in a higher power? Himself? Fulfilling his supposed destiny to annihilate the world? We don't yet know.

Jen: Here is what I am thinking right now about MIB. Mr. Cryptic Tweeter Lindelof raised a question in the most recent "Lost" audio podcast about whether MIB really is "wrong" or "evil," and that maybe he really is being held prisoner against his will. I think that's true. His reasons for wanting to leave the island are understandable, even if his means -- lying to people, killing the people at the Temple -- are not.

However, I am not sure he understands the impact he will have on the larger world, as Widmore suggests, if he does leave. I think Widmore and Jacob are on the same side here. They know that MIB is, essentially, the objectification/personification of all the evil that men do. Let him loose and the world gets destroyed. And that's why they need to keep him in the wine bottle, even if it isn't fair to him.

Liz: I like that theory. MIB, like much of humanity, can't help his inhumanity. After all, we're only human.

And I think Widmore and Jacob may be on the same side in the sense that they want to keep MIB where he is, but I'm not sure they're working together towards that end. In fact, I think they may each have very different ideas about how to accomplish the task of forever bottling up MIB. Jacob, I think, believes it can be done by appointing another keeper -- hence the candidates. Widmore, on the other hand, may have something else in mind. Something involving those electromagnetic pockets and, hmm, perhaps sinking the island to the bottom of the ocean.

Jen: Ah. Well played.

Everyone, it seems, has a totally different approach to resolving the island issue. Alpert, for example, wants to destroy the plane so no one can leave. I guess he thinks that's not what MIB would want, and given the instructions passed on via Hurley last week, he's all about going the anti-MIB route.

And then there's Jack. I know that some of our readers are anti-Jack. Sick of his control issues. Sick of him always playing the hero. Sick of him not asking proper follow-up questions. Fine. Fair enough. But good Lord, how can you not be on his side at this point?

Liz: I agree. He's back to the Jack of season 1 -- helpful, trying to keep everyone's spirits up and making promises. Lovely promises even though he may not be able to ultimately deliver on them. In this ep, he told Sun there's a reason they're on the island and he referenced the lighthouse mirrors (which is funny considering he smashed them). So is he finally gaining balance as a man of faith?

Jen: It seems to me that dy-no-mite moment he had with Richard, where he let the fuse burn and possibly blow them to hell, with the faith that it wouldn't, finally helped him overcome his doubts. And now he is sure that he can get Jin and Sun on that plane, his attempt to right the wrong from the end of season four, when he pulled Sun on board the chopper but left Jin behind.

Liz: Good call.

Jen: He has promised to get everyone off the island so many times, with the notion it would do good. And it never has. I just want the poor guy to be right for once. And when he grabbed Sun's hand with the tears in his eyes, my God, I just wanted to hug him. And for completely non-sexual reasons, no less.

Liz: I'm with you. And Jack. But, umm, TMI.

Jen: Come on. We go on and on about Sawyer. Let's give it up for Foxy for once, for heaven's sake.

Liz: Anyhoo, in Jack's reaching out to touch Sun I saw echoes of Jacob's having touched all of the candidates. Which made me think all the more that he is THE candidate.

Jen: Me, too. Is that also because there's an episode coming up later this season called "The Candidate"?

Liz: Could be.

So, let's talk room 23

Jen: There's another mystery solved, for those of you who keep saying questions aren't being answered. Dharma used the room, as Zoe helpfully explained, to do experiments re: the effects of subliminal messaging. Or at least, that's the public explanation. There still may have been something more sinister going on there.

Liz: Well, it certainly seemed sinister when poor Karl was strapped into that chair. And we know he wasn't there to be experimented on, but tortured by a mad daddy (Ben). Luckily Jin wasn't held there -- in room 23 -- too long.

Jen: Also, that room really needs to be cleaned.

Liz: Oh, and not a mystery solved, but we did see an old familiar face tonight. One McPatchy -- aka Mikhail -- sans patch.

Jen: Yes, just in case readers didn't pick up on my so-subtle hint in the Lost 5. His nickname sounds Irish but isn't. God, I'm so clever.

Liz: Let's not get carried away now. (I kid!)

Jen: I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I don't think I've ever been so pleased to see someone lose an eye.

Liz: Well, the whole loss of an eye had a certain course-corrective rightness about it. And you just know he's not dead, even after taking a bullet to the eye. That guy doesn't die easily. Remember, even the sonic fence didn't kill him.

Jen: I had the same thought about Mikhail. I also thought -- and maybe I am overthinking -- that Mikhail's connection in sideways world with Keamy and Omar (both hired by Widmore before) may mean Mikhail was connected to Widmore all along. Just a random thought.

Liz: I like the way you think. You are... clever.

Jen: Well, if for some weird reason you find me clever, that may change when I share my tomato theory.

Liz: Oh please, explain...

Jen: Bear with me. Here we go. Back in season two, when Sun finally talked to Jin about the fact that she was pregnant, they were in the garden. The same garden she revisited tonight. They celebrated the fact that their child would be born near that very spot. A child, by the way, they never thought they could conceive. And whose birth -- per the episode Ji Yeon -- was a little traumatic because Sun was freaking about Jin not being present and, if memory serves, the baby was initially in some distress.

So when Jack presented Sun with the tomato he found and said, "I guess no one told it it was supposed to die," I thought, that represents Ji Yeon. Maybe, as Keamy says, Jin and Sun weren't meant to be together. (Though I don't believe that, frankly.) But they were meant to have that child.

Liz: Okay. I need to digest that one. Not literally -- meaning I don't plan to eat any tomatoes right now. How could I after that? But it bears some thinking about.

Jen: I mean, I'm not saying Ji Yeon is actually a tomato. But I think that was a symbol, especially coming right on the heels of Sun being shot and revealing that she is pregnant in sideways L.A.

Liz: I think you could be right. But I think the tomato could also be a metaphor for Sun's love for Jin. Or for all the Losties, who are still hanging on (at least for now) despite some pretty bad odds.

Jen: True. You say one tom-ay-to metaphor, I say another tom-ah-to metaphor...

Liz: You were just waiting for me to dissent so you could use that line.

Jen: I have been praying since season three: Please, use a tomato on this show. Just once.

Liz: Somehow a Dharma beer wouldn't have had the same resonance.

So perhaps we should wrap by talking about Mr. Hume, who arrived on island -- I will swear to this -- against his will. Widmore is talking him up as if he's a secret weapon. But why? Could it be because, as Daniel Faraday once said, the rules don't apply to Desmond?

Jen: Let us recall that he is the man who both caused the crash of Oceanic Flight 815, and also turned the fail safe key that, as the "Lost" producers evidently noted, prevented a global catastrophe. So if he did it once, he can do it again, brotha.

Liz: Indeed. But why do I feel like this time he won't survive the experience? As Ms. Hawking said to him last season -- and we heard Widmore echo it in the preview for next week's show -- the "island isn't done" with him yet.

But I think we may be nearing the end of this analysis.

Jen: I think Desmond's a goner, too, for a totally different reason: in the preview for next week's Desmond-centric episode, they were playing a bagpipe-version of "Amazing Grace." If that doesn't sound like funeral music, I don't know what does.

But we can begin the mourning at 2, I think.

Liz: I think that would be the "clever" thing to do.

By Jen Chaney and Liz Kelly  | March 31, 2010; 10:44 AM ET
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Thank you for the LONG analysis, ladies. But stellar episode, really? I thought it was the first disappointing one in a while. Casual viewers may have been surprised to see Desmond, but for series regulars that was anticlimax - as was most of the Kwon storyline. We had already seen enough from Sayid's episode to know how that was going to play out - with the new info of course being Sun getting shot. Other than that though, this epi represented a lot of what we already knew.

You hint at it, but I'm surprised you don't draw a more explicit parallel between overprotective jealous daddy Paik and Charles Widmore.

Although Hurley is supposed to be the show's moral center, I've always felt that from the characters' actions at least, Sun had as great a claim to that tile as he did if not more, and last night bore that idea out for me. Even more than Sawyer, she's sick of being a pawn of two would-be puppetmasters. I thought it was telling that she put her trust in the very human Jack.

Posted by: UniqueID | March 31, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Awesome episode. Just like the good old days.

Posted by: greenmountainboy | March 31, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Do you think Sideways Sun is still playing-the-fool and actually speaks English but doesn't want anyone to know? I kind of got the sense that she understood the lady at customs in the airport, but pretended she did not.

I have to say, I love seeing all of these old characters show up in the sideways world. It's so neat to think, where do we know him/her from?

The Jin/Sun storyline has always been one of my favorites, so I really enjoyed this episode. It was one of those where when it ended I found myself thinking, "it's already been an hour!"

And the BEST line was actually James saying, "Because that would be ridiculous"

Posted by: smynola06 | March 31, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: ooyah32 | March 31, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I think the best line(s) of the night were the exchange between Miles and Lapidus when they saw that Sun could understand English but couldn't speak it:
Miles: "She hits her head and forgets English. Are we supposed to believe that?"

Frank replies, "asks the man that converses with the dead".

Posted by: dckt | March 31, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only who noticed that the part of Amazing Grace they played during the promo for next week is where the lyrics state, "I once was lost but now I'm found, was blind but now I see" - if that doesn't have a deeper meaning next week I'll eat my weight in Apollo Bars.

Also, the return of Desmond gives me a chance to publicly state a theory that I've been toying with since the premiere. What if the Season 3 episode "Flashes Before Your Eyes" wasn't Desmond flashing through time but rather between timelines. What if that's why he appeared and disappeared on Oceanic 815.

Posted by: Tudorn | March 31, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

My line of the week contender was not the 'turn your ass to smoke' part but the end 'because *that* would be ridiculous!'

Although I liked Keamy's Godzilla line just as much.

Posted by: HardyW | March 31, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I still think the "flash sideways" world is like the duplicate bunny from the outtake of the Orchid orientation film. Some sort of duplicate from incremental time travel (or whatever the "Casimir Effect" is).

Bring entities from the two worlds together, and kaboom. Which is what MIB doesn't understand - his world is out of phase and if he brings it together with a different reality, bad bad things will happen.

Posted by: Chasmosaur1 | March 31, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh yes: Jack promising to get Sun and Jin off the island, does that mean he's ready to take on the role of Jacob? (though it hasn't been offered yet). He totally thinks 'sure, these people are all candidates, but *I'm* the one'

Posted by: HardyW | March 31, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Tudorn | March 31, 2010 11:30 AM

Or: in a later verse, isn't that also where the lyrics say, "was bound, but now I'm free"? Dum-dum-duuuuummmm. . . .

Posted by: laura33 | March 31, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible that the candidate Kwon is not Sun or Jin, but is Ji Yeon? After all, given how unlikely Ji Yeon's existence is, and the lengths necessary to bring her into existence, maybe the 6th candidate isn't even on the island, and no one realizes it? Far fetched, yes. But who knows? Anyway, if I'm write I called it.


Posted by: r_g_k | March 31, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Ryan, that's an interesting idea.

Chasmosaur1, I forgot all about the Orchid video. But that's a really great point. And, totally plausible. (well, in Lost world it is!)

Tudorn, that would be awesome if that's what's happening to Desmond!

Posted by: smynola06 | March 31, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't the "Kwon" listed on the wall refer to the child?

Posted by: lydandy | March 31, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"He totally thinks 'sure, these people are all candidates, but *I'm* the one'"

I think that Jack is the only one willing to sacrifice his life for everyone else by taking on the responsibility as the new Jacob. And is there anything that MIB could promise him to get him off the island?

I loved how Sun's response to Locke was running like mad away from him, while to this point pretty much everyone else was content to sit down on a stump to listen to him. If they could have their daughter, I could see Sun and Jin staying, but I can't see them leaving her and staying by themselves. Or Jin doing an Orlando Bloom at the end of the Pirates of the Caribbean 3.

Posted by: auntiemare | March 31, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure that getting bumped on the head and forgetting English ranks up there with a mysterious coma or amnesia when it comes to jumping the shark.

Posted by: jonsolo11 | March 31, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

**I think that Jack is the only one willing to sacrifice his life for everyone else**

Except that Charlie already sacrificed himself, and James tried to sacrifice himself by jumping out of the helicopter, and Michael sacrificed himself, and Jin was willing to stay with Michael, and there were others, I'm sure.

Jack is rather late to the party.

But it is good that he is finally getting there.

Posted by: ooyah32 | March 31, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

After last nite, I now think that Jin is the Kwon that's a candidate.

Posted by: wadejg | March 31, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

While I agree that the episode overall was great, I have to agree with Miles (even if he DOES converse with the dead).

The whole device of Sun losing her ability to speak English -- though she can still understand it and write in English -- was beyond silly.

Everything else was very good.

Posted by: etpietro | March 31, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me everything that happens to Jin in LA X happens to Sun on the island...bumping their heads, unable to speak english, Sun now having a fierce temper... could there be some sort crossover?

Posted by: gus6 | March 31, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Except for Sun losing her ability to speak English, this was a fantastic episode! I've enjoyed the season overall, but I have even more confidence that they are going to wrap this up in a satisfying way.

I wonder if Widmore's plan to destroy the island and sink it to the bottom of the sea is what we saw in the season opener and all the sideways stories are in fact what happens to everyone as a result of there never being a Jacob/MIB brouhaha. We are seeing the ending epilogue throughout this season, that's still my prediction.

Posted by: Dr_Bob | March 31, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Another good episode like the others, plenty of funny lines. I think "Kwon" on the cave wall, has been and will always be the "package", both of them.

MIB has a plan to get all 6 candidates off the island with him. The only thing MIB can offer Jack will be to somehow appeal to his hero instinct and help the others out. If he gets the others to go (especially Kate), he thinks he has Jack. MIB was told by the little blond boy that he couldn't kill the candidates, so he has to take them with him to get off the island. He has Sawyer and Sayyid, Sun and Jin will go together, Hurley is easily influenced, so that leaves Jack--and MIB thinks Kate is his ace in the hole.

The only surprise of the show was that Sun and Jin weren't married in sideways world. Everything else was predictable.

I think Widmore is our man of science, and has no relationship to Jacob.

Posted by: KevinAF | March 31, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Before we knew that Jacob and MIB existed, we though the battle was between Ben and Widmore. Since Ben was working for Jacob, I thought that would mean that Widmore was working for MIB. After last night's epi, it seems like Widmore is against MIB, so why the heck are he and Ben enemies?

Posted by: kbockl | March 31, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure this is no new insight (but was for me.) IF Jacob's plan is that we need the new "candidate" to keep MIB on-island, then really the outcome of this plan is that NONE of them get to leave, right? Because all six of them need to leave TOGETHER in order to leave.

In which case, Jacob's plan=seven prisoners (MIB + 6 candidates), while MIB's plan=everyone goes free. Which puts a new spin, I guess, on who might be good/evil???

Posted by: knelson1 | March 31, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

knelson1: Jacob's plan=seven prisoners (MIB + 6 candidates), while MIB's plan=everyone goes free.

That presumes that the other 5 candidates will still be alive when the One candidate is chosen.

Posted by: Tudorn | March 31, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"Amazing Grace" never says "was bound, but now I'm free," at least in John Newton's original composition (and the one famous addition about 10,000 years). Closest is "was blind, but now I see." Which could be relevant for us. We're banging around in the blindness, trying to figure things out, but eventually, we'll see.

It's also worth noting that as some start to believe that Smokey Locke isn't so bad, and Jacob might be, that deceit, turning the world around 180 degrees, is the method of the Devil, the incarnation of evil.

Posted by: huguenotklj | March 31, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I continue to be nonplussed by how my fellow fans respond to this season. I think almost all of the episodes have been great -- and I definitely include "What Kate Does" in that category. So there!

But if you want a consistent kill-joy experience, go read the initial comments at Dark Ufo each Tuesday night. I'm amazed anyone can enjoy the show at all after reading the initial responses there. Trying to wean myself from that downer...

Upcoming: I can't wait for the Ben-Charles reunion. They are certainly on the same team now. That should be very unsettling for Ben. Will he be forced to realize he was unknowingly on the wrong team for many years? All those agents he had Sayid kill, were they all goods guys, after all?

Posted by: MeriJ | March 31, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The nerd army and Sci-Fi vs. Religion:

Widmore's focus on electro-magneticism must have been a relief for those dissappointed by the turn towards religious explanations for everything in prior weeks.

And Widmore's nerd army is explained, pretty much as we predicted: They aren't mercs, they're scientists. But dirty-Liz Lemon is a truly non-charismatic gal, no?

Posted by: MeriJ | March 31, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I disagree with one aspect of your analysis. I think Island McPatchy kept coming back to life, but I think for Sideways McPatchy, "dead is dead" as Ben would say.

Posted by: Dr_Bob | March 31, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I am so thoroughly confused, possibly irreparably, with timelines, waaay to many peripheral characters who pop up every 2 years or so, and intertwined relationships that I have a feeling that even in the last episode, when everything is explained, I'll be sitting there going "huh?"

Posted by: callapj | March 31, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty clear to me now that the whole island is a giant Rambaldi device and Arvin Sloane will materialize in the final episode to reveal all. What could be a better ending than wrapping up the Alias and Lost series in one fell swoop. Puzzle that one for a while!

Posted by: agoldhammer | March 31, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I thought the analysis by Jen and Liz was their best of the year. Keep it up.

Posted by: Emcdoj | March 31, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone think it implausible that Sun could forget English from a bump on the head? I deal with aphasic patients regularly and this is not unusual. Like Jack said it is usually stroke patients but any kind of brain trauma could do it. I think it is just a little convienent for MIB and maybe he helped that happen a little since he couldn't kill her.

Posted by: hodie2 | March 31, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Excellent Episode - I had an small epithany last night that the sideways view/storyline is a new 'reality' that was created when Jacob was killed and that this is the reality that will remain if Smockey/MIB gets off the island. Which is good for some (Hurley and Locke for example) and not so good for others (Sun & Jin).

When Jack held out his hand to Sun I got chills because that indicated to me that he is "the" candidate to replace Jacob and that he is a peace with that choice.

Just my thoughts - yours may vary.

Posted by: heidivedder | March 31, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

KevinAF wrote
"I think "Kwon" on the cave wall, has been and will always be the "package", both of them."

I disagree, I think that Jin is the candidate. If Sun was a candidate I think she would have disappeared of the Ajira plane like Jack, Hurley etc.

Has Sun helped Widmore return to the island? Didn't she meet with Widmore after she returned?

Sayid, dead is dead, that's why you don't feel anything.
Does anyone really think they can get off the island with the Ajira jet on an unpaved runway. Capn Frank should know better.

I wonder how they found out smokey couldn't cross sonic fences. Did someone from Dharmaville survive an attack while sitting in the microbus sucking down dharma beers and blasting hendrix on the 8 track.

Posted by: adam_peritz | March 31, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Correction :he is "the" candidate to replace Jacob and that he is at peace with that choice. at peace not a peace -

Posted by: heidivedder | March 31, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

**I think Widmore is our man of science, and has no relationship to Jacob. **

I agree he is a man of "science" and technology and the world. But he does have a relationship to Jacob, even if he does not realize it or intend it, since Jacob will utilize him as well.

It does appear that Widmore and Ben (the man of faith) have been on the same side all along in the bigger scheme of things, even if they were enemies on the individual level.

Posted by: ooyah32 | March 31, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

For Best Line of the Show, I propose:

"Hey! Don't talk about bacon." -- Lapidus

(in response to: "Unless Alpert's covered in bacon grease, I'm not sure Hurley can track anything." -- Miles)

Posted by: turquoisegrrl | March 31, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

But didn't Jacob approach Sun and Jin at their wedding?

Why didn't Sun know the first rule of chase is don't look back??!! Look where you want to be, not what you're running from.

I saw Jack's outstretched hand, which Sun accepted parallel to MIB's outstretched hand, which she declined. Did MIB need her acceptance in order to get her away? Which is why he just didn't take her?

Who also said the "heart knows what the heart wants," or something to that effect, which Jin was told?

Is it significant that Widmore didn't include a grandchild in his list of people to protect?


Posted by: VAjyd | March 31, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

First off, thanks to Liz & Jen for bringing up Patchy, I hadn't known he was in the sideways LA portion of the show.

Which brings up the question, just how does he stay alive on the island, because such an ability isn't one Jacob can grant anyone else.

My pick for line of the night was from Sayid, "I don't feel anything", and when accompanied with Naveen Andrews very flat affect, a real spine-tingler.

One other point, didn't Ben say that anyone who turned the wheel couldn't come back to the island?

And yet, he's back, and, apparently, Widmore is too, as what happens on the main island also happens on Hydra island.

Posted by: kingcranky | March 31, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Those flimsy sonic barriers:

Anyone else wonder why MIB didn't just tip one of those suckers over onto its side? They looked like big microphone stands!

But who am I to know how much bleeding there is from a sonic barrier, right?

Posted by: MeriJ | March 31, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"Those flimsy sonic barriers"

That's what I was thinking too!? Doesn't he know how to throw a rock? I suppose he never worked out the Dharmaville ones either. I think we can put that oversight along side last weeks' Black Rock smashing the statue and arriving several miles in land over unscathed jungle!

Posted by: PatAbroad | March 31, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Dharmaville ones were set in the ground while these just seem to sit on it. So MIB just needs a cowboy and a lasso and he's good to go. And the plane is going to take off on that crap runway? And why is there one? Wasn't there an epoisde where Kate and Sawyer were caught by the Others and were working on the runway chain gang? And if so, why did the Others build it? Did they know they'd need it for this season. Seems like the sub would be easier to escape on.

Posted by: paulgdavitt | March 31, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"I thought the Dharmaville ones were set in the ground while these just seem to sit on it."

Sure, but I assumed that in-body MIB could fell a tree onto the pylon, smash one with a rock, learn how to dig, etc.

As for the runway, it is kind of ridiculous that so many characters assume that the plane can indeed still takeoff!

Posted by: PatAbroad | March 31, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Of course the in-body MIB was standing in front of the pylons with the nerd army surrounding him with rifles. Perhaps that's why he didn't try anything silly?

Posted by: smynola06 | March 31, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

But as to the guns, he was shot under the temple to no effect by Ilana's (sp?) team. I thought from this mere mortal weapons were no good; you need the dagger from Dogan and don't forget to stab before he says anything. (and doesn't that sound silly?)

Posted by: paulgdavitt | March 31, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember him being shot and not killed.

Perhaps he knows the nerd army has those special electromagnetic guns? Complete with dagger bullets?

Posted by: smynola06 | March 31, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Of course the in-body MIB was standing in front of the pylons with the nerd army surrounding him with rifles. Perhaps that's why he didn't try anything silly?"

I too assumed he was invulnerable to mere bullets. Under/in that stature, though as black smoke, he certainly seemed invincible to the literal hail of bullets And being stabbed by Sayid didn't seem to greatly affect him whilst in body form.

Posted by: PatAbroad | March 31, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

not to be overly technical, but I believe Zoe is a geopysicist and Faraday was a physicist which are considerably different.

Posted by: watergirl1 | March 31, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Locke/MIB was shot by one of Ilana's gunmen while inside the statute when MIB was in Locke's form. The bullet bounced off of him. Much as Sayid's knife had no effect. I'm assuming MIB can't be killed by mortal weapons. However, certain effecdts can keep him penned in or out. I assume the electromagic pods has a similar effect or properties to the ash which can keep MIB penned into a certain area. And probably, the properties which keep him trapped on the island (the wine bottle) are related to the effects of the pods and the ash.

Posted by: Emcdoj | March 31, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Great analysis and comments.

My two cents: things will end up where they started with a twist.

From the beginning Jack and Locke were joined by their opposing views and often in conflict in one way or another.

At the end, I think they will remain so, as they trade places with Jacob and MIB (which Locke has already done).

They balance one another out: one is not necessarily better than the other. Together they work as a complimentary system, even thought they appear in opposition. But apart they would cause disharmony with consequences far beyond the island.

I still have a question I can't get rid of: Why were babies and infertility on the island so important? And why is has this story line been dropped after it was such a key element for so long?

Posted by: lebowski | March 31, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

> Why were babies and infertility on the island so important? And why is has this story line been dropped after it was such a key element for so long?

I asked myself that very question a week or two ago. After a few days pondering I concluded that Richard was correct in what he told the real Locke: the infertility problem was never key to the island's meta-struggle. It was a diversionary path that Ben took the Others down since he couldn't hear Jacob's instructions.

Not to say that women dying horribly in childbirth is unimportant or a decent thing for Ben to have focussed on! Just not key to the Jacob-MIB battle.

As to the cause, I guees the original electro-magnetic Incident in the Swan was the culprit. It doesn't appear that women had difficulty bearing children before that. Interestingly, the Others believed the problem was occurring at conception. Thus, pregnant Claire could come to the island and deliver a healthy child.

So, interesting? Yes. But like many of the mysteries our protagonists thought were vital at an earlier time, this one may not have been so vital after all.

Or maybe it explains everything!

Posted by: MeriJ | March 31, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I think that this analysis missed one of the biggest points raised in the episode. When asking about names on the wall, Claire asked MIB, "Is [Kate's] name on the wall?" MIB responded, "No, Claire, it isn't. Not anymore." Clearly, at some point, Kate was a candidate, but is one no longer.

Posted by: pete20 | March 31, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I think if the writers can make the smoke monster and time travel believable, they can find a way for us to believe that the plane can take off again from the island. Somehow they could come up with necessary oil/gas to service it and a long enough runway to take off. But now that the submarine is here, maybe Richard will succeed in blowing up the plane, in a big dramatic way that doesn't matter.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 1, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Is Desmond the new Jacob?
In sideways world, Desmond's brief appearance/disappearance on the plane had reminded me of Jacob's brief appearances to touch the lives of various characters. We have no reason to believe he is a candidate or that he's definately not. Ilana mentioned that there were six left, but there's only one Kwon and Locke was dead, so there could be another candidate that has not been revealed yet. Desmond was "brought" to the island by Jacob (allowed to crash on the island). Just a thought.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 1, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

This may have been said before, but it seems like FLocke can't physically harm or control any of the candidates. Why would he have let any of them escape if could do anything to them?

Posted by: cashink2003 | April 1, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

About that garden (and the tomato) . . . it reminded me more of the moral of "Candide" [ou l'Optimisme - Voltaire] - a satire: It is up to us to cultivate our own garden.

After all the adventures on the search for Eldorado, the protagonists basically come to realize that the perfection for which they were searching (or at least the POTENTIAL) for it - was always in their own back yards.

The same sort of journey and conclusion is found in Coelho's "The Alchemist" (an allegory).

I have a feeling that whatever resolution/redemption each of these Lost characters is seeking didn't really require a trip to Lost Island - or at least, that will be the conclusion they come to. Free will triumphs and each realizes they always had it within their power to choose the "version" of their lives they preferred.

I see MIB and Jacob not so much as "good" and "evil" but as embodiments of free will vs. predestination/determinism.

If destiny (Jacob) "touches" you - a certain trajectory follows. If you exercise your free will (which is "trapped" because you don't recognize your own power) you can fall into traps - you can deceive yourself or talk yourself into anything (much as MIB talks people into buying certain stories).

By exercising free will, the result you get may not be "perfect", just as this may not, in fact, be the idealistic "best of all possible worlds" - but at least you'll harvest a tomato of your own making. And you may enjoy it (or savor it) all the more for taking the ownership.

Posted by: jqw3827 | April 1, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I like the comparison/comments between destiny and free will, jqw3827. Mix in the flash-sideways and what coulda/woulda/shoulda happened, and you've got a very tightly interwoven description of reality (or realities).

Now, will Desmond accept his destiny to destroy the island? I think he's our constant.

Will Jack assume his role as Jacob, the cork-evil stopper? I think he's our candidate.

But the question always is, what's your free choice in whatever happens, happens (i.e. free will/Locke/MIB), and what's just playing your fore-ordained role in whatever -always- happened, happened -always was-; i.e. destiny/Jack/Jacob)?

Or, does it only take one free choice for each step of progress - 'you only succeed once... all else is progress.' (Jacob)

Only time [traveling] will tell. :)

Posted by: bevobevans | April 1, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a spoiler for some-
I guess it's a Desmond centric episode next week "Happily Ever After" with a lot of people returning (Charlie, Minkowski, Penny, Eloise)that influenced Desmond's life. I wonder if we see them in sideways world, or in "flashes" of his consciousness moving in time or even moving between worlds- X and island?

Posted by: KevinAF | April 1, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sun is an enigma. Moral center, though? I don't think so.

Very early on we were shown otherwise. Two examples: as a little girl, Sun lied easily to allow a maid to be blamed and fired for something she did. While married, she had a affair with the man she had hoped to date before she gave up on him and went for Jin.

Sun is an interesting character but I'm not sure what she did to convince people she is a sterling person. She apparently did grow to love Jin despite his faults and has been searching for him, and she loves her daughter.

As to the plane, yes it is difficult to suspend disbelief and picture it actually taking off from the island. But I think we will see the original castaways, or some of them, take to the air again in a passenger jet with Frank at the controls.

Posted by: PortlandMaine | April 1, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

This is probably way out there, but I think I have a theory that the candidates are able to make choices on the island that changes what happens in the sideways universe. And eventually, most of the candidates will make island choices that resolve conflicts back in the "real world" and allow them to get back through some sort of death-event that Desmond will be a significant part of (just as he had been a significant part of the key components of the story so far). When Juliet died, she made it back to the real world -- where she was inviting James (or someone else) to meet for a cup of coffee. Eventually, all the candidates, save TWO, will die and make it back to the real world.

My guess at the TWO remaining? Jack is the new Jacob and SAYID is the new MIB. Okay, I know I should have said Locke, but Locke is dead. So. Anyway, MIB is "evil" he is "malevolence." MIB could die and empty-Sayid could embody evil in the next gen.

I also had this weird idea yesterday when I was thinking about the book _Life of Pi_. Maybe some of these characters (not necessarily the candidates) will turn out to have very specific roles that will only be defined when Jack takes over the island. Example: Desmond, you were our instigator. We need a new one when you die... I'm not articulating this well, but so many characters seem to have these Winnie-the-Pooh-World roles. As each dies/leaves the island, will another character take over for the next gen?

Just some crazy thoughts for ya. Call me Claire.

Posted by: a68comeback | April 1, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Also, can I say that I love the way MIB mind-screws everyone? Like letting people know whether their name is on the wall or not. And then asking, "Did Sawyer tell ya?" Like a kid saying, "There are six cookies left and one of them has Billy's name on it. Did he tell you, you don't get one?"


Posted by: a68comeback | April 1, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

So, are people thinking that Desmond can flash sideways (as well as back-and-forth) subsequent to the split in timelines (due to The Incident or Jacob’s “death”?)? And that Desmond could be the medium for connecting events in both realities? We’re told that the sideways reality is important*and presumably has a significant impact on the original reality. I’m not a big fan of revealing only mysteries that the characters would want explained… since they’ve created some of the least inquisitive (and communicative) characters possible!!

*We assumed it was - after all, numerous interesting narrative paths will remain unexplored at the expense of the sideways world.

Posted by: PatAbroad | April 2, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I just don't know anymore.

you know how they said the characters weren't moving but the island was moving? maybe the characters are not moving in time but time is... um... maybe not. but maybe this is more about parallel universes (times) instead of different times. but how one would affect the other...
beats me.

i keep thinking about what MIB said when he first took the form of Locke and arrived at Richard's camp and yelled "I am really disappointed in you - all of you!"

I'm no Bible scholar but it reminded me of the story about where Jesus went into the temple, saw it had been taken over for commercial interestes and went into a rage about it, overturning the tables and stuff. so like if Jesus "came back" today and got pissed off, would that surprise us?

not that MLB is Jesus. Just an observation, another reason I'm not sure it's all so black and white good and evil.

Sun speaking Korean but understanding English? Hey, if we can accept a smoke monster, I think we can give this a shot. I think she's faking anyway cause she's pretty much had it with the whole thing and only want to find Jin. I think Jack knows that and is cool with it. OR..... as timelines overlap, she may be in a weird mental overlay where she is still speaking her native language but just kinda knows english from those lessons she took (which seemed to be very secret, as I recall).

I can't keep track of any of it anymore, which i'm disappointed about. But i like that last episode cause i like the acting. except Kate, who has always irritated me. she seems to be an empty soul right now...

those are my very helpful observations. I've loved this show but I'm ready for it to end. Ya know?

Posted by: camis | April 2, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Camis, I will miss this show when it ends and these blogs. But you seem to be on to something if the lack of entries following this weeks show mean anything. They are significantly reduced from the previous two weeks by an order of magnitude of well over 50%. It could be that others are tiring of the show as well or that this show was simply not as thought provoking as others. I think this may be due to it being a Kwon centric show as I personnally think they are two of the weaker members of the regular cast.

But there is one aspect of the show that I haven't noticed being discussed in the analysis or the comments (unless I missed it). But I think it is a significant dialog that may explain the end mystery of the show. It was when Widmore was talking to Jin and after Jin had watched the camera shots of his daughter. Widmore says that if MIB/Locke is allowed to leave the island then Jin's wife (Sun), Jin's daughter, Widmores daughter (Penny), and everyone "Would simply cease to be." I think this statement is significant and the words used were deliberate. We seem to have been speculating that MIB's leaving the island would allow evil into the world and lead to death and destruction. I'm not sure it's as simple as that. What I think it may mean is that the current reality in which the island exists, with the Losties on the island and Penny living off island and Jin and Suns daughter living off island, etc., will "cease to exist." I'm not sure what that means exactly but it could simply mean the end of the current reality. But is that bad? Does that mean that the sidways reality will then become the singular reality? While it probably is still a bad thing for MIB to leave the island we don't know yet what the effect of his leaving will be. I think rather than an apocalypse, it could simply lead to the full transition to the sideways reality.

Now what Desmond's role in preventing either MIB's escape or preventing the "ceasing to be" of the current reality, I am not sure. I think we will know by Tuesday night what that role is. I do think we will see Desmond flashing sideways.

If anyone is still reading, I would love to hear thoughts on the "ceasing to be" theory. If not, I hope everyone is enjoying the spectacular Easter weekend (at least what we are having in NOVA/DC).

Posted by: dojemc | April 4, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Widmore is also a manipulator and a liar (murderer too), so it's hard to believe anything he says. But Widmore and Jacob both have said that MIB leaving the island would make the world cease to exist. So it appears that is what we are supposed to believe, at this point.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 5, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

dojemc on fewer posts this past week:

I think I have less to say at this point because, as new answers are revealed each espisode and the number of forks in the road shrink, I'm more content to just wait another week to see what actually happens.

In the past, newly-introduced mysteries might be left unresolved for years at a time, so endless speculation on the divergent explanations seemed more satisfying, hobby-wise. Kind of like growing a bonzai tree.

I still spend days and nights -- including while I'm asleep! -- processing everything I see each new episode, relative to what I remember from prior seasons, and, to be honest, what Lostpedia helps me remember (even though it is occasionally wrong, at least to my mind). And I still read the posts here at least once a day.

But it feels different knowing that the primary answers are 5-6 weeks away at most, and many less than one week away.

Nonetheless, I've actually felt more content this season, even as I see so many others getting anxious and cranky.

Knowing that the writers had a chance to wrap this up with two years' warning is a blesssing to this fan. Everything I've seen for 5 1/5 years leads me to believe they will end it well.

And I've never been so attached to any one school of thought to care which prevails in the end. It's the craftsmanship that matters to me.

That said, I've become a Skater this last season. Unlike many, I've always liked both Jack and Kate, even though Jack has been annoying at times. But, you know, everyone who's at all interesting is annoying at times.

However, I do think Sawyer+Kate would be a more satisfying ending, unless the realities shift and Sawyer and Juliet end up together. Jack seems destined to be the sacrificial hero that he never quite believed he was strong enough to be. That will be enough for him, I think.

One of my favorite shows, Deadwood, was cancelled in between seasons. That was really hard. What's happening with Lost is a blessing for which I am very grateful.

Posted by: MeriJ | April 5, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Cease to Exist" - I had originally thought that this meant that they would be overcome by evil and be different people - ie, cease to be themselves as we know them.

BUT, dojemc - I really like your explanation of it... if MIB leaves the Island, sideways flash will take over as reality with no Mrs. Kwon, Kwon Jr., etc.

Maybe people aren't posting as much because we are finally getting answers and we're not getting a ton of mysterious clues to ponder over?

And no one noted that sideways Sun stopped to look at herself in the mirror mysteriously... much like sidesways Jack at his scar and James at the police locker room... Doesn't that mean that sideways world has an unconscious memory of Island world? Which means that they're absolutely connected and not independent of each other?

Posted by: Mia13 | April 5, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

MeriJ, that's pretty much how I feel about the show too. Great post!

I know it wasn't the main point of your post, but I wanted to address the "Kate" issue. I really hope that Kate ends up with no one in the end (at least no one that we know).

My reason for this is because I think Kate is a woman who has no idea who she is or what she wants out of life. She's just living. That's it. I think she'd be as unhappy with Sawyer as she ended up being with Jack when they were together off island. I think Kate, if she gets a second chance and isn't convicted in whatever world we end up in (sideways?), needs to discover herself first or she'll always be unhappy with any man (no matter how great he looks shirtless).

Posted by: smynola06 | April 5, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Am just now reading the 'Lost' Hour and saw that Jen and Liz quoted comments from here!

I'd just like to hi-five everyone ... especially to those who thought they never read this (and to the quoted ones!). Finally :0)

Posted by: Mia13 | April 5, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse


Great comments as always. I too have felt good about this years shows with one or two exceptions. This has been a terrific show because of the writing and I am content to let the writers play it out to what I am sure will be a satisfying conclusion.

I've always been in the Kate and Jack camp but I don't disagree with symnola that it may be that Kate ends up alone. Or dead. I can actually see Sawyer ending up in a coffee shop talking to Juliet in the series finale.

Posted by: Emcdoj | April 5, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for pointing out the Lost Chat. I hadn't read it before then. I coldn't believe that the first comments related to the "cease to be" remark by Widmore. I think "Producer Paul" captures what I was trying to say above. That is, if MIB leaves the island, the sideways world will become the new reality and the current reality will "cease to be." I think we'll know more tomorrow night. Til then.

Posted by: Emcdoj | April 5, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"If anyone is still reading, I would love to hear thoughts on the "ceasing to be" theory. If not, I hope everyone is enjoying the spectacular Easter weekend (at least what we are having in NOVA/DC)."
Posted by: dojemc

I was at a warm beach for the last week and just got back. And yes, the "ceasing to be" comment caught my ear. I agree it is literal. I think it is also key to why people are willing to kill, and helps explain a comment Ben made long ago after someone died: "who cares". Its not what happens on the island that is important but how it all comes out. If it ends right, everyone continues to exist, maybe in sideways time. This also reminds me of when Desmond was buying the ring and Eloise told him to not by the one he was looking at because it would destroy the world, or something like that. So it seems clear, especially with the notion of time travel, multiple realities, etc, that everyone could cease to exist if some key event does not happen or is allowed to happen.

This also got me wondering about Jacob and his buddies like Ilana and her team as well as others, like the Others, Widmore, etc, maybe even Dharma. All may have been working toward one goal, a way to prevent MIB from leaving the island when, in the future, he successfully kills Jacob and has the ability to leave. Could Dharma's whole work effort have been to create an electromagnetic (EM) field to keep MIB on the island? MIB influencing Ben to kill all the Dharma people would put an end to that. Dharma knew how to build the sonic fence (I think its an EM fence) and it seems to only have one purpose, to keep MIB out or in. If the equivalent could be made from the unique EM forces within the island, then there is no need for Jacob, who will die because it happened and that cannot be undone. I think a time loop was created to allow people to work on and create this EM field and the loop itself to keep MIB bottled up until he also figures out how to get out of the loop (loophole), which may possibly may have already happened.

As Jacob said, the cork is the island that will keep evil bottled up. Right now the cork must not be in place because MIB believes he can leave. He can't leave alone as Sawyer noted him not being able to simply fly away. He must be carried away by people aboard the plane or sub. But what Widmore is trying to do is complete what Dharma was doing, make an EM cork, which is why Zoe is interested in Jin's EM work during his dharma years.

As for Desmond, I am not sure, but he is special. He also turned the key destroying the Swan. That may have been the cork, refreshed every 108 minutes, which if not refreshed meant the end of the world. Des may be living multiple realities at once, which would explain his insanity after he turned the key and the Swan imploded. Bringing him back might be a secret weapon if killing him might undo things he had done, like turn the key. Not sure, just a thought, but there is another who was at the center of a flash of the EM energy, Juliet, and it may be why she said (knew?) that "it worked".

And during my little vacation I watched the episode with a neurologist who confirmed someone can have brain damage allowing them to understand and write a language but not speak it. Why this is part of the plot I have no idea, but that goes more a whole lot of other things too.

Oh, and why are so many people willing to risk their lives to cork up MIB? Because they too will cease to exist. And someone noted that Sayid may have been killing good people under Ben's direction. I think this is likely, but again, if MIB is corked, they will exist in sideways time, so no harm done. The battle is not for lives on the island but for sideways time to exist and not it also cease to exist.

Prediction: Jack ends up taking the place of Jacob, MIB remains in Locke form. The same scene will be repeated in the end as Locke visits Jack and says he hates him and will look for a loophole.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 5, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Fate1 - Happy to know you were warm in Florida... I am actually a native and was out last week... COLD! haha.

Ok, so I watched last week's episode on Hulu and didn't see the preview with the bagpipes playing... can someone fill me in? Where (and why) would they find a bagpipe in the Island? Which means that if everyone (inc. Liz and Jen) is right about it being a funeral, this funeral would be in sideways world, not island world.

When we were all discussing candidates, someone hypothesized that maybe 108=Wallace is actually Desmond under a different last name. Maybe the funeral is for a patriarch of Desmond, which causes him to change his name (or not)? Just a wild guess here.

I just think it's a little early for people to start bringing out the tissue boxes for this one - besides - why would the writers give that away like that?

Posted by: Mia13 | April 6, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

checking in at the very last minute. don't know if this will show up or not. the show starts in about 1/2 hour here in Los Angeles. ANYWAY thanks to everyone above. I regret saying I was kinda glad the show was ending. I musta been in a bad mood or something - and now believe there have been so many fascinating mysteries that maybe the time for speculation is over (for me) and the time to sit back and just watch it happen... has come. that sentence needs an editor.

cease to be - good one! and agree with whoever said that then sideways (?) reality would go on as the "only" reality BUT with a subconscious memory of what happened. and what was learned, in the Island.

we can see that they are "better" people already.

Posted by: camis | April 6, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse


I trust your renewed faith was rewarded last night. Great show!

Posted by: MeriJ | April 7, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

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