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Posted at 11:11 AM ET, 04/14/2010

'Lost' Dueling Analysis: 'Everybody Loves Hugo'

By Jen Chaney and Liz Kelly
Lost

In which Jen and Liz agree that they do indeed love Hugo and any episode that delivers some answers to long-simmering questions. Read along, then join them at 2 p.m. ET for the "Lost" Hour live chat. In the meantime, visit "Lost" Central to brush up on your island back story.


Reunited and it feels so good: Libby (Cynthia Watros) and Hurley (Jorge Garcia) smooch. (ABC)

Liz: Before we get into the meat of this week's analysis, I have two questions First -- just how much dynamite did the Black Rock have aboard (and how did it not detonate during that storm that brought it to the island -- you know, the one that caused it to thwack into the statue of Taweret)? And how big of an idiot is Ilana? She's carrying around four sticks of dynamite in a rucksack and carelessly tosses in a bottle of water on top? I guess that was four questions, but dang.

Moving along: building on last week's season high point (It was. Me and a gazillion other people say so), we've finally got some forward momentum going. Desmond has moved ahead with his mission, the candidates (save one Jin Kwon) have converged, island memories are increasingly leaking into our sideways world characters. And we're moving closer to a confrontation between MIB and Widmore. Or MIB and the now long-absent Jacob. Or all of the above. And it's about time, seeing as we only have five episodes left before the season finale. And, roughly translated into commercial-free time, that's approximately 280 minutes.

Jen: That's series finale, Liz. SERIES. We have to begin confronting this non-alternate reality.

Re: the dynamite -- it's possible, if not likely, it was put there after the boat crashed into Tawaret. Not that that explains how they got so much in there. (Another of those unexplained drops -- food, supplies, extra dynamite?)

In any case, I was a little sad to see Ilana do the 'ol "Boom Goes the Dynamite" routine, only because we still don't know what her story is. And I'd kind of like to know about this life-long training she supposedly went through. But that blow-up, if you will, did give us one of the many deja vu moments in the show, incidents that took us back in various ways to moments from previous episodes and gave me the distinct impression that we're about to reach a breaking point, perhaps even a pre-finale, where the narrative we've been watching more or less -- with all due respect, Ilana, may you rest in peace -- explodes.

Much more after the jump...


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Liz: Indeed, I think we can all agree that Ilana got some Arzt on her. May she and her little black vest rest in peace. And, yes, the story has turned a definite corner. Desmond, only back on the island (and in the show) for his second episode of the season is suddenly a major player. And Hurley has taken on a leadership role. He's even got Jack willing to follow him into the devil's camp (and, not to over-analyze myself, but I'd just like to preemptively state that by using the term "devil's camp" I am not making a sweeping judgment about MIB's nature). And that's saying something.

Speaking of Ilana, though, I wonder what it was that Hurley saw in her little velvet sac that got him all charged up about destroying the dynamite and heading over to camp MIB.

Oh, and about that series finale -- looks like ABC is committing five hours to all things "Lost" that evening.

Jen: Great question. I was really fixated on the book Hurley was looking at, which appeared to be written in Russian. And it looks like Smarty McSmarterson -- aka Jeff Jensen -- identified it. It's Dostoevsky's "Notes From the Underground."

Wikipedia describes it as the first existentialist novel. I haven't read the book, but the fact that it is divided into two separate but related parts obviously shares something in common with "Lost" right now.

Liz: I am feeling like a really ill-equipped English major for not having read this, but these passages from the Wikipedia description strike me as apt:

Since we're in the midst of a war, of sorts...

"War is described as people's rebellion against the assumption that everything needs to happen for a purpose, because humans do things without purpose, and this is what determines human history."

And...

"...one cannot avoid the simple fact that anyone at any time can decide to act in a way which might not be considered good, and some will do so simply to validate their existence and to protest and confirm that they exist as individuals."

Jen: That sounds a whole lot like MIB. Existentialism. So uplifting, isn't it?

Liz: Yep.

Jen: Before we delve into more deja vu moments (a la exploding Ilana), Hugo as Man of the Year, the rom-com I like to call "When Hurley Re-Met Libby...," or the deal with Jack at this moment, I would like to briefly discuss why, in God's name, Richard thinks blowing up the plane is the answer to everyone's problems.

I feel like blowing up the plane is just another device to mirror what happened in previous episodes. At one point, back in season 4, Jack wanted to save everyone by attracting the attention of a plane, or perhaps by befriending those helpful freighter folks. Now we have Richard, adamant that the only way to save themselves is by destroying a plane; the additional irony, of course, is that the Losties were originally put in peril when the plane they were on got destroyed.

But logically, I am baffled as to why Richard thinks that would stop MIB. I think Hurley was right when he said blowing up the plane wouldn't make a difference.

Liz: I agree. But I had a random thought about Richard's insistence on blowing up the plane, too:

He said something in last night's episode that echoed Widmore's statement that everything would end if MIB is allowed to leave the island. We've been assuming that means that the wider world would somehow cease to exist if the genie is let out of the bottle. But what if it is the other way around? What if it is THE ISLAND that will cease to exist if MIB is allowed to leave? If that were the case, I could see how Richard might want to prevent it from happening. On a basic level, it is his home now. He has nothing to go back to in the "real" world. Then there's also the issue of the island's special properties which, if the island ceases to be, will go along with it. And I have a sneaking suspicion Widmore would prefer to harness, rather than destroy, those properties, too.

Jen: Wait a minute, now you think the island will be destroyed? You and Doc Jensen are clearly drinking the same Kool-Aid. And frankly, I like the taste of it.

But what I'm trying, inarticulately, to say is why does Richard think a plane would even get MIB off the island? The thing can't be working very well, first of all. Second of all, the dude can turn into smoke. Or build -- oh, here's an idea! -- a raft. Blowing up potential modes of transportation just strikes me as a never-ending, futile effort.

Liz: Well, the guy could be grasping at straws. He thinks the plane will be MIB's escape pod because MIB has stated that it will be.

Jen: Maybe after all these years, Richard is finally getting senile. But enough about him. Let's discuss our Man of the Year. Was I the only one who totally loved that montage tribute at the beginning of the episode? The notion that there might actually be a Mr. Cluck's House of Children is just too beautiful for words.

And I like the idea that Hurley is contributing money to a wing of the Golden State Natural History Museum, where Miles's dad and Charlotte work, and Daniel occasionally pops in.

Liz: Yes, it's all coming together. But one wrinkle: All of this season we've been assuming Hurley was one of the characters who was better off in sideways world -- successful, a philanthropist and a guy with all the answers. But, we found out (thanks in no small part to his meddling mother) that what our millionaire Hurley lacked in sideways world was the love of a good woman. I guess Patti Stanger hadn't gotten to him yet.

Jen: Yeah, that seemed a little strange, only because Hurley seemed so supremely confident in every other way when we saw him before. But apparently, not so confident with the ladies. Which brings us to Rosalita, and my opportunity to go off on a tangent about Bruce Springsteen.

When Hurley's mom said she was setting him up with a woman named Rosalita, my first thought was: Well, that's going to somehow wind up being Libby. But my immediate second thought was: "Rosalita! Jump a little lighter!" Because that's how the Springsteen song goes. No real connection there, until... Hurley goes to meet his blind date Rosalita at a restaurant called Spanish Johnny's. And "Spanish Johnny" happens to be a reference in the song "Incident at 57th Street," which is on the album, "The Wild, the Innocent and the E Street Shuffle." An album that also contains the song, "Rosalita."

Some of the lyrics to "Incident" strike me as almost a love song for Hurley and Libby:

Well like a cool Romeo he made his moves, oh she looked so fine
Like a late Juliet she knew he'd never be true but then she really didn't mind
Upstairs a band was playin', the singer was singin' something about goin' home
She whispered, "Spanish Johnny, you can leave me tonight but just don't leave me alone"

I also like the opener:

Spanish Johnny drove in from the underworld last night
With bruised arms and broken rhythm in a beat-up old Buick
But dressed just like dynamite

Liz: So, LindeCuse are big Springsteen fans? Why, it's the key to the whole show!

Jen: Dynamite, Liz! Don't you see? It ties the whole room together!

Liz: I don't see why they couldn't have stuck with the Xanadu motif. But, ahem, maybe we should talk about Hurley and Libby and closure?

Jen: All right, I realize that was a lot of build-up and that maybe you thought I'd somehow prove "Born to Run" explains the whole show, and I did not. I just thought that was cool because I like Bruce Springsteen. Yes, let's talk closure.

Liz: My heart skipped a beat when Libby walked up to Hurley in Chez Springsteen. And although we didn't get Libby's back story, I was pretty content with what we did get -- a measure of closure. Not only did they finally get to go on that beach date, but like Daniel Faraday seeing Charlotte eat that chocolate bar, Hurley's memory of another life -- a life in which he had a past with Libby -- was unlocked by a kiss. She woke that boy up like he was Sleeping Beauty.

Jen: BTW, this is apropos of nothing, but I just want to point out that the itty bitty puppy Hurley holds in one of the pictures in his montage? That's Jorge Garcia's actual dog.

Anyway, so you're good? You don't need to know why Libby gave Desmond a boat, or why she made that weird face after she kissed Hurley in the "Dave" episode. Cause I still kinda want to know.

Liz: I'm pretty happy with them reuniting. Past is prologue. Live in the moment. I do have a nagging question, though:

The Libby/Hurley reunion seems to be step one in Desmond's plan to get the Oceanic passengers to remember their island pasts. But what happens when Des is successful in getting them all to remember the island? Do they hold hands and, thanks to their combined psychic energy, cause it to rise from the bottom of the sideways world sea?

Jen: Well, that's an excellent question. I hate to skip to the end of the episode like this, but I wonder if running over a wheelchair-bound John Locke -- I mean, DANG, Desmond -- might actually be the most important step he can take toward bringing the two worlds together. Another dead Locke body in sideways world has to be meaningful, and perhaps the catalyst that is most crucial.

And that gave us another deja vu moment, with a twist: Ben attempting to revive Locke, instead of, you know, wrapping a cord around his neck.

Liz: But that does fit in with the new and improved Ben Linus, who is a benevolent man of honor. Not to mention a loyal friend.

Jen: Absolutely. And apparently, a man who may fall in love in sideways world. Maybe with someone at a hospital... hmmm... But maybe we discuss more of those deja vu moments, just to capture them.

Seeing so many in one episode makes it feel like the entirety of Lost is undergoing a massive big bang of some sort.

Liz: Okay, I'll just throw this out there as food for thought while you recount the deja vu moments: The "Lost" universe has reached its outer limit (as some predict our own universe will) and is now contracting rather than expanding, meaning it is going backwards.

Jen: Ooh, I like it. One of the deja vu moments I found most significant: Jack opting to side with Hurley, a contrast to what happened in "The Beginning of the End." Hurley sided with Locke, and felt immensely guilty for it later. And now Jack is siding with Hurley, telling him -- even if Hurley's not even thinking about it -- that it's OK, he's forgiven. It also seems like Hurley is taking on the Jack role at this point. Which leads me to believe that everything he's saying they need to do is probably wrong.

Liz: Well, but wait... I agree that Hurley has taken over the leadership mantle from Jack (which is odd considering Jack's promise two eps ago that he would get Sun home safely -- that sure felt like leadership to me). But I think where Jack, as we know, tended to lead with his emotions and realize the error of his ways only later, Hurley is much more aware of (and wary of) his steps. He knows that going into Locke's camp might not be the best idea, but he feels compelled to do it anyway. Jack would have led his crew there without an explanation and without sharing any doubts he may or may not have been aware he even had.

But, I do agree that Hurley may be wrong in taking them to Camp MIB, and here's why: Michael.

Each of his two appearances to Hurley was preceded by the whispers and, if we're to believe what we heard, Michael is one of many souls "trapped" on the island. Souls who are stuck because of what they did. But I'm skeptical. In the past we've seen Smokey assume the form of other people -- Alex and Yemi to name at least two -- in order to manipulate the Losties into a particular course of action. MIB, as he said, can't leave the island without gathering all of the candidates together. So it would make perfect sense for him to assume the form of one of the dead Losties (shape of Michael Dawson!) to trick Hurley into plotting a course for his camp.

Jen: I like where you're going with that. Very much. Makes perfect sense. Two points, one minor and one major.

Minor one first: I hear you completely on Hurley vs. Jack. But I have to point out that Hurley only shared his doubts with Jack, not anybody else. So in that sense, he is leading the rest of the group with little explanation.

And now the major one: The whispers. We finally found out tonight exactly what they are: the murmurs of the trapped souls still hanging around. Not so surprising, really. But, as Nikki Stafford points out, that means the island actually is a purgatory of some sort, just not for our Losties.

Liz: Well, but that's if we believe Michael. And here I thought LindeCuse had once ix-nayed the idea of the island as a purgatory.

Jen: Well, as Nikki suggests, they nixed it as the explanation for where the Losties are. But that doesn't mean it isn't a purgatory for some people.

But I love the idea that MIB assumed the form of Michael. Excellent observation.

Liz: Why thank you. Here's another. Not sure how excellent it is, though, about a totally random moment from last night's show: The appearance -- to MIB -- of another pre-teen boy on the island. And unless we're to believe the boy we saw earlier this season dyed his hair in the interim, it was a different child because this kid was a brunette. While the other, who we assumed was Aaron, was undeniably blond.

Jen: Yeah, I thought that kid didn't look quite the same. Not enough de Ravin in him.

Liz: Well, but we now have one blond kid (light) and one brunette (dark). And both of these kids seem to be able to yank MIB's chain pretty effectively. I would posit that they represent young Jacob and young MIB, but it just doesn't feel right, somehow.

Jen: I still stand by the idea of the first boy being Aaron. And I like the Jacob/MIB conceit, but yeah, it doesn't feel right to me either.

Liz: I do dig the theory of blondie being Aaron, but I also like the idea of these kids being mirror images of one another. One light, one dark. One positive, one negative. But if one is Aaron, who would his opposite be?

Jen: Could it be young Jack? Or some son of Kate we don't know anything about? Hey, maybe it's your child, showing up on "Lost," in a flash-forward. If so, well done. He's a handsome lad.

Liz: Well, if it is my as-yet-unborn kid, I'd better see some royalties coming my way. I mean, his way.

So MIB's plan is so close to (but yet far from) fruition. He has gathered all of the candidates together. All except one. Jin, who is cooling his heels on Hydra Island with Widmore. How, I wonder, will he manage to extract him? I don't know, but I hope it is soon. I'm tired of Sun being continually disappointed in her hopes of a reunion.

Jen: I know. That was just the worst when she showed up, searching for him, only to once again come out on the other side alone. I found the look Locke/MIB gave Jack interesting. It was as if he was the only one he was particularly interested in, candidate-wise.

Liz: I loved that look. Though I have to admit the intensity of MIB's glare was almost comical. It reminded me of Larry David in "Curb Your Enthusiasm." Fans of that show will understand. But, yes, it definitely reinforced our earlier notion that Jack is THE candidate.

Jen: That, and the fact that next week's episode is called "The Last Recruit," and the one after that is called "The Candidate."

Even more disturbing on the MIB front: the fact that he totally chucked Desmond down a well. Which I saw coming a few minutes before it happened.

Liz: I also saw that coming. You just don't stand next to an open well, or on the edge of a cliff, with MIB and hope to walk away unscathed. Unless you're Sawyer. But somehow I got the feeling that Des wasn't all that surprised -- or as MIB noted -- scared. And we know from the promo for next week's ep that he survives the fall.

Jen: Right. But again, that was a nice echo of the Hatch. In season two, Locke found Desmond down in the Hatch, and later realized it was Desmond's existence -- his light -- that restored his faith. This time, Locke throws him down there. Again, a mirror image.

Liz: Another mirror image: Locke himself fell down a well -- possibly that same well -- to fulfill his destiny of turning the frozen donkey wheel, stopping the skipping through time and transporting himself off the island.

But am I the only one who got "The Simpsons" "Sending Our Love Down the Well" song stuck in my head when Des ended up down there?

Jen: Ha! I was just thinking about that. You scare me, and I scare me. Falling down a rabbit hole: does it ever *not* lead to good things?

I feel like there is so much left to discuss, but since we'll cover more territory in the 2 p.m. chat, maybe you can enlighten us about the eerie song/poem played in the promo for next week's episode.

Liz: I would love to. Big time kudos to LindeCuse for choosing Gene Wilder's tunnel song -- I'm sure it has a name, though I don't know it -- from the original "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" movie. It struck the perfect creepy, chaotic tone. Assuming that's what they were going for. If they were going for reassuring and melodic, they chose all wrong.

Liz: But, again echoing Willy Wonka, until 2 p.m. ET, I say "Good day, sir!" Or, umm, ma'am.

Jen: I think the song is called "Wondrous Boat Ride." The shape of things to come? Hmmm. See you at 2.

By Jen Chaney and Liz Kelly  | April 14, 2010; 11:11 AM ET
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Comments

I think Artz said the dynamite became unstable from sitting over all the years. So when the ship first came to the island it would have been in more stable sticks.

Posted by: jcaruana | April 14, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Best line: “Maybe she died to tell us to stay the hell away from dynamite.”

Thanks as usual. Expanding on your dynamite points, why do you need it to ruin a plane's instruments? Rocks and clubs would do it. And since Richard can't be hurt by dynamite and the whole thing was his idea, why risk Ilana? All that aside I agree it looked like she was trying to kill herself.

Re the candidates, wasn't it odd that MIB named Jack, Locke, and Sun, specifically, as the missing candidates? Last time he spoke of them, he, like Ilana, didn't know which Kwon was meant. Maybe he's thinking of Jin still being part of his group, but that would be dumb as Jin obviously no longer is with them and now whatever plan MIB has would still have to wait on Jin...unless he has in fact since found out that it's Sun who's the candidate.

The only lesson of Ilana is that she's Dogen part 2, or 3 or whatever. Another pointless distraction from the main story and part of why the last episodes are starting to feel really rushed and event-crammed. Which has its upsides, but is also a result of admittedly poor planning by the writers.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

First of all, I think Libby's problem in the Lost universe is the same "trouble with reality" that she had in the sideways reality. In both realities, she had a sense that there was another reality but couldn't comprehend and deal with it. And just as Hurley experienced visions of both realities in his kiss with Libby last night, perhaps Libby had a similar realization when she kissed Hurley back in Season 2.

I love Hurley, and I love any episode with him as the feature. But it doesn't appear he won the lottery in the sideways reality. He just.... worked his way from a cashier to multimillionaire? He earned enough to be able to take over the company? I didn't quite follow how Hurley, esp considering how unsure of himself he is, would do what was necessary to be a multimillionaire. That part I didn't get. But hey, I'm willing to suspend a little belief at this point.... I've been suspending belief for six seasons now, after all.

Posted by: Dr_Bob | April 14, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Ilana and Richard both explained the insane desire to follow Jack's disastrous lead by blowing something up: because there's nothing else (obvious) we can do.

To most of us, doing nothing would still be a viable option - likely even the best one if the doing something option meant a nuke or even old unstable dynamite. But leaders on Lost never take the cautious or sane approach. I can't stand Rose and Bernard, but they had a point once when they said our Losties were always running around crazed in a fever to do something, anything.

Note that although Hugo hasn't blown anything up yet (well, only one thing), he too is in a fever of Doing Important Things. Let's go confront FLocke, because adopting a wait and see approach would be boring, even if walking into Locke's camp in needless and insanely dangerous. Oh, and I'll tell you all some lies about Jacob to justify my rashness to you. Incipient Leaderitis, with a prognosis for rapid development.

Jen, we know even if Richard doesn't that the plane is spectacularly irrelvant as MIB still has the submarine option.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I think Desmond tries to kill Sideways Locke (after all, we don't know he's dead) so that when the two realities merge, MIBLocke doesn't have a corresponding body to merge with - ergo, he remains stuck on the Island. Just as Sideways Libby, Faraday, Charlotte, etc., will all disappear because they're already dead in the Island reality.

Posted by: blondie3 | April 14, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Re The Kid: he looked a little taller as well as darker-haired to me than the tow-headed child of an earlier episode. I wondered if he was an older Aaron.

Posted by: susanmccullough1 | April 14, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Don't think Michael was MIB because Hurley could see him but Jack couldn't.

Posted by: cubsbear9 | April 14, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I think Desmond tries to kill Sideways Locke (after all, we don't know he's dead) so that when the two realities merge, MIBLocke doesn't have a corresponding body to merge with - ergo, he remains stuck on the Island. Just as Sideways Libby, Faraday, Charlotte, etc., will all disappear because they're already dead in the Island reality.

Posted by: blondie3 | April 14, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Oh no, Juliet's coffee date is going to be with Ben isn't it?

Posted by: wojoko | April 14, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

could the other kid be charlie, desmond and penny's son? i'm waiting for a third kid apparition, a young korean girl.

Posted by: plathman | April 14, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

There's a lostpedia theory that Desmond wasn't trying to create another dead Locke body, he was trying to create a situation that will send Locke to the hospital to encounter spinal surgeon Jack, where under the stress of the moment both will remember the Island. The theory explains that Desmond can't rely on lost love to spark Locke's memory (as with himself, Charlie, and Hurley) since in the Sideways timeline Locke is already with Helen.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that Michael was MIB. On one of the podcasts Darlton Lindecuse answered a fan question about the comment MIB made about being "stuck in this form (i.e. John Locke". DL said that we should take it at face value, the MIB CANNOT take the form of anybody else.

Posted by: afar2988 | April 14, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Liz, a point against your theory that MIB is impersonating Michael as he may have impersonated Alex is that according to Ilana at least, MIB is now trapped in the semblance of Locke. Admittedly, Ilana has since been shown to be capable of error.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I asked my Russian-speaking husband what the title of the book was, but we were too enthralled in the episode to pause, rewind and check it out. Nice to know it's Dostoevsky.

I agree that Michael is indeed dead-Michael. I also really am happy to return to the island-purgatory theme, which is one I've thought about for a long time now, and seems to make a lot of sense.

Posted by: smynola06 | April 14, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Re: the theory that MIB was appearing in the guise of Michael, earlier this season Ilana says something to the effect that MIB is stuck in Locke's body and can't transfer elsewhere, so I think it was Michael conversing with Hurley.

I was struck by the conversation b/t Desmond and MIB: where MIB says, "Do you know who I am?" and Des says, "Of course, you're John Locke." But I think that Des didn't let on all that he knows about MIB/Locke.

Interesting that Daniel refered to Des as his constant. I think Des is more of a "wild card." MIB tried to take him out of play, but without killing him.

Assume Des tried to kill the "real" Locke in the sideways world to affect MIB in the other one. But poor John Locke. Pushed out of an 8-story window by his Dad, strangled by Ben, mangled by falling down the well, beat up in a car accident, and now mowed down by sideways Des. Oh, not to mention his body being possessed by MIB. I really hate the way he's been used as a punching bag throughout the story line. I keep hoping he'll somehow be resurrected in the end.

Posted by: NW_Washington | April 14, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Wait. Something just occured to me when reading over this. What happened to Jacob and MIB in the alternate sideways world? Presumably they were on the island when it got sunk. So were they just destroyed/killed in that timeline?

Posted by: mandrake | April 14, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Regarding purgatory: A friend and I kicked this around. Rationalizations and explanations include:

• The show's creators said or meant the 815 SURVIVORS weren't in purgatory. Jack wasn't, and isn't. Ditto Sun, Jin, Sawyer, Hurley, etc. The fact that dead Michael may be in a state comparable to purgatory doesn't change that. I agree at least in part with this distinction.

• The show's creators have a religious IQ of about 33, lower regarding Christianity, even lower regarding Catholic Christianity. They could honestly say, "No no, it's not purgatory, it's just a place where unsettled souls are bound until they're ready to move on," with no actual comprehension of what they were denying and/or counter-asserting.

• They were embarrassed that so many people guessed their big secret five episodes into the series, so they just lied for the next 5½ years.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

It's the same kid played by the same actor and is presumably meant to be the same character, not a dark twin of the first mysterious boy. The link Liz provided to the earlier appearance of the boy leads to a picture of him in bright sunlight where his hair of course appears a lot lighter. Here's another shot of that first boy, where he looks just like he did last night as the second boy:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100217041612/lostpedia/images/1/1b/MysyeriousKid.jpg

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The Rowing Song
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Rowing Song" is a song from the 1971 film Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory. It was sung by Gene Wilder, who played Willy Wonka in the film. It was sung while the group took the boat Wonkatania after the field full of candy and the chocolate river scene. The scene it appears in is often referred to as the "Tunnel from hell".

The song is adapted from "The Rowers" a 1959 poem by Roald Dahl.

Lyrics
There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're rowing
Or which way the river's flowing
Is it raining? Is it snowing?
Is a hurricane a-blowing?
Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of Hell a-glowing?
Is the grisly reaper mowing?
Yes! The danger must be growing
For the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing!!!

In popular culture
The song was sampled by Pendulum for the song "Through The Loop" which is found on their 2005 album, Hold Your Colour.

A version of the song has been recorded by Marilyn Manson under the title Prelude (The Family Trip) and it is the opening track on their Portrait of an American Family album.

A version of the poem was used in a preview for the US television show Lost.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

unused line of the night: 'Dude, you got some Ilana on you'

Posted by: HardyW | April 14, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

On the plane, Sideways Hurley did say that he won the lottery.

Posted by: Ghak | April 14, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm not jiving well with what Michael said last night. If the island is purgatory for some, why was Richard's wife there talking to Hurley a few weeks ago? She didn't die there.

Also I agree with other theories I've read this morning. Desmond hit sideways Locke with the car to trigger memories. Either love or near-death experiences have done it so far, for Locke Desmond chose the latter.

Posted by: grapeeape | April 14, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Do we know the answer to the question Richard wanted Hugo to ask Jacob, what the island is?

Posted by: twinbrook | April 14, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Jacob described the Island as a cork, keeping the malevolence in.

Posted by: beta1 | April 14, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the above posters that it was Michael's "spirit" and not Locke/MIB for the reasons stated. Sorry ladies. Also, I think it was the same boy, in different lighting. I wonder if "Eloise Hawking - Time Cop" is aware of Desmond's doings in X land? If these "ancient people" from a long time ago had compasses, why did they have to dig the wells with their hands?, No shovels, even of the bamboo kind wielded by Ben, or did he mean by hand with shovels, not machines? Did anyone notice in the slide montage of Hugo that he was standing in front of a sign that said "experimental station" or something like that?

Posted by: cgindc | April 14, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Channeling the Willy-Wonka trend from the next episode preview, isn't the point of Willy Wonka to select the heir, out of a pool of candidates, to run the factory after Wonka has retired? Seems to parallel the story rather convientently at this juncture.

Posted by: amadsen75 | April 14, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Also, my best line of the night was:
"Well, I guess the island was done with her!"

Posted by: cgindc | April 14, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

So you're saying Hurley is just an Ooompa Loompa on steroids? Interesting.

Good catch on the Candidate parallel, seriously.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't think MIB was Michael or Alex (I don't remember whether Yemi died on the island in the plane crash or was he shot on the plane). MIB was at his camp when Miachael appeared and I don't think we've learned if MIB can be in 2 places at once.
I think if you die on the island your soul or whatever is trapped by the electromagnetic radiation bottle or seal that is keeping MIB on the island and skewing time in relation to the rest of the world. I don't think this is the same as purgatory. The island, as Jacob said, is the cork. MIB can take form of people after scanning a persons memory.

Maybe when Dharma drilled, they "cracked" they bottle. They may have found a way to seal it by use of the button. I'm not sure though, what was the purpose of the fail safe key. Maybe it was an atomic Bomb to yield the same result as Faraday wanted to achieve.

Posted by: adam_peritz | April 14, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I believe that another reason MIB couldn't be Michael, is that Micheal's body is not really on the island. Micheal blew up with the freighter. While Hurley is talking to some form of Micheal or the spirit of Micheal, MIB needs a body to inhabit. That is why he went through all the trouble to get Locke's body brought to the island.

Posted by: amyb789 | April 14, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I strongly think that Michael could be MIB and could have been all the other dead people that have appeared over the course of the show to manipulate the losties.

However, I completely disagree with your assessment of the mystery kid. A lot of evidence points to this being Jacob (reincarnated?). That's why he has aged over the past few episodes and he appears to taunt MIB along the lines of their wager. MIB clearly recognized the kid in last night's episode when he told Desmond to ignore him. Go back and read the lines he says in the Substitute.

Posted by: vypergts | April 14, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The BIG question is why Desmond's BMW did not have BMW logos on the front or back of the car. It looks like they were popped off. Wonder there was a legal reason for doing this, or maybe BMW refused to pay some small ad fee for using a BMW in the shot. Then again, maybe I've learned to focus on anything out of the ordinary thanks to watch Lost for six long years.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 14, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Great episode! Although like Liz and Jen, I think we all knew Flocke was going to push Desmond into the well, when it happened you still have to say "I can't believe they did that!"

A question - did Libby say if she had been on the Sideways Oceanic flight 815? I don't recall hearing that during the show last night.

Re: the boy - I agree that the boy in last night's episode is supposed to be the same as the one seen in earlier episodes, although he seems to be growing older quickly. However, I do not believe it could possibly be Aaron. Of the original 815 passengers, the ones on the island now either never left or arrived on the Ajira flight. Now, granted, anything can happen on Lost, but I think that unless his grandmother had Aaron on the Ajira flight, the boy is not him. My theory is that the boy is some kind of a reincarnated Jacob, who is aging at a rate to be able to challenge MIB by the end of the series. Can't figure out why Richard has been the only one who has not been able to see him when he has appeared to Flocke, though.

Posted by: raheintz | April 14, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't have Alex Rousseau already sparked Ben's memory? Apparently it didn't. Or the Island doesn't need him which is why he was so ticked he killed Jacob.

I'm loving Desmond now but since the time in the jerry rigged super MRI machine on the island, he seems a bit "off" to me in a pleasant serene way, sort of like Sayid is in a not so pleasnt, menacing kind of way. Anyone else?

Posted by: hodie | April 14, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Liz and Jen:

I just checked on IMDB and the actor who played "pre-teen boy" in this episode is the SAME ACTOR who played the boy Fake Locke and Sawyer encountered earlier this season. The actor's name is Kenton Duty. I was thrown off at first by the hair, but I re watched the substitute episode and you can tell it's the same boy by the face. So, either the same actor is playing twins with differently colored hair, or it's supposed to be the same boy.

I guess Ilana's purpose was to inform the candidates of their candidate status and then the island was done with her....as Ben explicitly pointed out. That made me think about Desmond's "purpose". I suspect that Desmond will die once he's shown the Losties everything he's learned. I definitely was not expecting Ilana's death to happen this soon...a la Arzt. It's also interesting that none of the candidates went with Richard, Ben, and Miles to blow up the plane. This leads me to believe they are wrong.

I think Desmond was trying to kill Locke in sideways world because he sensed the evil of Fake Locke in the island timeline, NOT because he wanted him to have a near-death experience. Locke already has Helen/love in sideways world - different from Charlie, Desmond, Hurley, etc. And, unlike with the other love connections, Helen has no connection to/interaction with the island (aside from the fact that she's with Locke). Even though Penny was never on the island, she knew of its existence and her father was the Others leader. So, even she was connected to the island game more than Helen.

I don't think that Michael is MIB because I thought that the monster was frozen in Locke form now (of course, as someone pointed out, Ilana could be wrong). I did like the explicit answer to the "whisper" mystery. I feel like that was for the fans complaining about mysteries that need to be solved.

Posted by: linswilliams | April 14, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Desmond ran Locke down with the car to send him to the hospital where he will meet up with Jack and remember the Island timeline. Just like how he pushed Hurley towards Libby...

Posted by: bmp246 | April 14, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Liz, regarding the little velvet sack that Hurley picked up out of Ilana's tent, that was Jacob's ashes. She gathered his ashes in the foot early in the season, and Miles used the ashes in the little sack to figure out that Ben was the one who stabbed Jacob. A few episodes ago, there was a shot of Ilana holding the sack sitting on the beach crying. My guess is that Hurley saw the ashes, then had the idea to use his ability to communicate with Jacob as the catalyst for getting everyone else to follow his lead (or, maybe he was hoping that Jacob would show up and give him some guidance, which apparently didn't happen).

Posted by: vincsam | April 14, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I have consistently thought there is only one boy, and I never believed it was Aaron. He is aging and his blond hair has darkened. His face looks the same. There is really not much I can see in the story for it to be Aaron, who was physically taken off the island in the 815 crash reality, and was presumably birthed by Claire in LA in the sideways reality. I sort of think that he may be a rebirth of Jacob. I can't exactly explain that, but if MIB can possess a dead man's body, why can't Jacob return from the dead in another form too?

Posted by: Kellygirl | April 14, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

A reference to the numbers and the book of Ilana's Hurley found, taken from Lostpedia:

"In Fyodor Dostoevsky's short story "Notes From the Underground" the narrator muses that science will one day teach man that he possesses neither will nor uncontrollable urges and is nothing more than a piano key or organ stop operating by laws of nature, and that if discovered, these laws could be used to compute human actions mathematically like tables of logarithms up to 108 - 000."

Also, a question: what is the significance of Desmond saying "That's me" when his order number (42) was called in Hurley's chicken shack? 42 is assigned to Sun and/or Jin, but it seems very purposeful that Desmond would say "that's me" instead of "that's my order" or "gotta go" or whatever. Any theories?

Posted by: edgar3 | April 14, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Did Hurley really say to his mother in the beginning that he was getting an award from the Human Fund? If so, very funny. Is George Costanza going to present him the award?

Posted by: qwerqwer1 | April 14, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Buh-bye Ilana. Not in the least sorry to see her boring character go.

I guess after his encounter with Daniel, Desmond remembered everything? How else would he come up with that plan to run down Locke.

Am I the only one who thinks Libby is 15 years too old for Hurley? What an odd couple.

Posted by: PortlandMaine | April 14, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I had a random thought yesterday after the show. In the restaurant when he was talking with Hurley and the cashier said "number 42" Desmond said, "That's me." We never got to see the full wheel in the lighthouse. What if the list MIB has in the cave was fed to him by Jacob and is incorrect? What if 42 is not actually Kwon but Hume? The fact that the Kwons were touched by Jacob doesn't negate this, because its a long list and they could still be another number. Side note, in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 42 is the answer to the ultimate question. Only no one knows what the question is. Is Desmond the answer to the whole thing and we just don't know the question yet?

Posted by: jojosskul | April 14, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Desmond's purpose in running down Locke was to get him together with Jack. After all, Jack and Locke have a very special relationship: Man of Science and Man of Faith.

Posted by: Ghak | April 14, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree w/many here. I don't think Michael was MIB. I think we got an answer to one of our longstanding questions in a very straight-forward way. When we heard the whispers Hurley told Jack he thought he knew what they were. He asked Michael and Michael confirmed it. At this stage of the show I think if we get an answer spelled out for us, maybe we can trust it.

Posted by: jes11 | April 14, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

We should remember that it is not really the Island that is in control or Jacob or MIB. It is the show's writers. And they know that Desmond is a popular character, and they know that the entire world would riot if they were to simply kill him off like he was a mere a redshirt once the Island is "done with him."

The writers know that fans love Desmond, and Jack/Kate not so much, and I cannot believe that they would really want to have fans throw a s*** fit that much, even if, when they started this journey six years ago, they hadn't intended for him to be such a major character.

Posted by: ooyah32 | April 14, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

UniqueID said "The show's creators have a religious IQ of about 33, lower regarding Christianity, even lower regarding Catholic Christianity."

That made me chuckle. And you're probably 100% right about that one. I always am amazed at how wrong Hollywood 'does religion.'

Posted by: smynola06 | April 14, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This is my first posting but I love reading your reviews of Lost. I want to throw out an idea based on the preview for next week's episode. I believe the music that they used was called Revelation #9 by Marilyn Manson. I believe the actual lyrics that were used were these:

"There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're going or which way the wind is blowing
Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing?
Not a speck of light is showing so the danger must be growing"

I'm starting to believe that an apocalypse is coming. When you Google Revelation #9 and the Bible together it comes up with a few lines about black smoke coming, angels falling into a pit, and other angels (a total of 4) coming to help. As we saw, Desmond fell into a pit, Locke is the evil smoke monster, and 4 people just showed up (Jack, Hugo, Sun, and Pilot).

Not quite sure where to go with this, if it's even right, but I felt like posting it. First time I felt like I researched something good during the 6 seasons!

Posted by: BlueCorvette19 | April 14, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

ooyah, I think you're right that killing Des once he's fulfilled his purpose would be different than similarly disposing of Ilana was, due to the Desmond character's popularity. However, with only six hours left I think we'll soon be at the point where no one is unkillable in principle.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I haven't heard the Marilyn Manson cover, but that sure sounded like Gene Wilder's voice to me.

Posted by: Janine1 | April 14, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Couple of things:

Dynamite was unstable after sitting for 100+ years on the Black Rock...causing Ilana to go *boom* when she got careless! The fact that she died in a ball of fire mirrors that she was in the burn ward in the hospital when Jacob went to visit her. Hmmmmm.....

As for the boy in the woods, that was Matt Damon's character from Team America.

Posted by: SamFelis | April 14, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Oh no, Juliet's coffee date is going to be with Ben isn't it?"

Flashback to Ph.D. Ben complaining about the staffroom coffee situation!

And Juliet will talk about her ex-husband, Jack.

Posted by: chunche | April 14, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

My theory: We don't know MIB's name because his name is.... Aaron.

Didn't MIB as Locke say a few episodes ago how he felt sorry for Aaron because MIB's mother was crazy, and now he'd helped make Aaron's mother crazy?

And go back to Season 1 and the psychic going nuts about Claire's baby and all the bad vibes he got from it.

Posted by: steve16823 | April 14, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Ooyah32:

I would 100% agree with you if we were talking about killing Desmond in an earlier season. The writers have hinted that a lot of death is coming and at this point, that can only mean main characters. In last night's episode, Ben says something to the effect of: "Ilana tells you all who you are, then she dies. The island was done with her....makes you wonder what will happen when the island is done with us". Given that we're only five episodes from the end, I don't think that any character on the show is safe, even the fan favorites. In fact, I'm guessing that by the time we get the the very end, most of the main characters will not have survived.

Posted by: linswilliams | April 14, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Another good episode that pushes the storyline along.
The only question I have is why did Hugo think that going to see the Smoke Monster was a good idea? Jacob told him earlier that he and Jack had to go to the Lighthouse to avoid being killed, and he knew the Smoke Monster caused the deaths at the temple. Now he wants to go talk to him? Oh well, it brought together most of the main characters again.

Ben and Miles had to go with Richard to re-unite with Widmore. Richard is useless now too that we know his back story, isn't the island done with him yet?

I don't think we know who the island teen boy is, and will find out in a big reveal, but I believe it is not a known character like Aaron or Jacob but something more powerful than MIB.

Maybe Locke will walk again with help from Jack.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 14, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

no no no - line of the week was either "bucket of chicken. family size"
or "everybody loves cheese."

Posted by: Sam888 | April 14, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Some people have been asking why Frank hasn't mentioned that the plane is most likely, un-flyable, and that dynamite is not the only thing that could destroy the plane.

My thought is that Frank is just along for the ride. If you notice, he rarely asks what the "plan" is, and he just kind of goes with everyone else. Kind of like how he's always been. Just laid back, and going with the flow. So maybe he isn't giving Richard that info, because frankly, he doesn't want to get that involved in it.

Posted by: smynola06 | April 14, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Will Alana be Jack's ex-wife in sideways world?

Posted by: disgruntledfan | April 14, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

@BlueCorvette -- Manson may well have covered it, but it was definitely Gene Wilder a la Willy Wonka singing it. Not to say that the Revelation tidbit doesn't jibe w/ what we saw last night.

As for Desmond running over Locke...that was attempted murder, plain and simple. If he wanted to push him to see Jack, he could've simply done what he did w/ Hurley. You don't "push" someone in a wheelchair with your car unless you mean bodily harm.

Posted by: SamFelis | April 14, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Okay, the transcript of the "Lost Hour" chat seems to be truncated. I'm sure that I saw some posts during the chat after the one that is currently on the bottom.

Posted by: Ghak | April 14, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

It's possible Des had to push Locke to near-death to see the other reality, similar to how he first saw the other reality with Charlie underwater. But I think the writers will use it to bring Locke and Ben together with Jack at the hospital, and as alluded to, Ben to meet with Juliet. Regardless it was a good mirror scene, Locke (Flocke) attempting to kill Des on the island, while Des attempted to kill Locke in LA X.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 14, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Having watched him throw Saint Desmond down the ancient well, is there still anyone questioning the idea that MIB Locke is the evil one?

And I'm curious as to why, when the island is supposedly "done with you", you get blown up? Can't the island just let them retire to Boca?

Posted by: olivertray | April 14, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post...
But why should Desmond try to get Locke and Jack reunited in the Sideways world to remember the island? Locke is dead in the Island timeline so if he "wakes up" in the Sideways timeline and realizes that there is another reality, what's the point since he no longer exists in that Island reality?
"Oops, I forgot I'm dead"?
Unless the Sideways timeline is the actual purgatory.

Posted by: olivertray | April 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

OR, LindeCuse could have watched "Dogma" a few-too-many times and decided that Desmond had to hit him so that he would be in a coma/broken/further incapacitated and thus in limbo. Then, whenever the Sidewaysverse finally merges with Lostverse, MIB is pushed into a broken, possibly-catatonic, Katey-Sagal-loving Locke- thus powerless (c'mon, do you really think Gemma Teller isn't going to wear the pants in that marriage anyway?).

Posted by: steelers_rule123 | April 14, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

OR, LindeCuse could have watched "Dogma" a few-too-many times and decided that Desmond had to hit him so that he would be in a coma/broken/further incapacitated and thus in limbo. Then, whenever the Sidewaysverse finally merges with Lostverse, MIB is pushed into a broken, possibly-catatonic, Katey-Sagal-loving Locke- thus powerless (c'mon, do you really think Gemma Teller isn't going to wear the pants in that marriage anyway?).

Posted by: steelers_rule123 | April 14, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the replacements for Jacob and MIB are Des and Sayid respectively. That 'all knowing' look the Des has adopted in both worlds and Sayid's total immersion in the well of evil. I can just see the two sitting on a beach next to each other in the Finale and Sayid saying how he wants to kill him and get off and Des saying 'the rules do not permit that'.

Posted by: Xsquid70 | April 14, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Dynamite is nitroglycerin that has been made safer by letting it soak into diatomacious earth. The little hollows in d. earth hold tiny bits of nitro that don't move much so they don't blow up spontaniously, like when it killed Nobel's brother. When dynamite sits for a long time, the nitroglycerin slowly settles to the bottom of the stick, creating a pool of liquid nitro that is once again prone to going off with a sudden knock or movement.

Posted by: christov2 | April 14, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the Lost Hour Chat:

I do think Desmond knows who FLocke is. Maybe even better than FLocke does. I'm not saying the theory that the original timeline's MIB and the Flash Sideways Locke will merge in the eventual final merging of the timelines is necessarily totally correct but look at it this way: if Des is truly ignorant, so ignorant he really just thinks this is same old John Locke, why doesn't he show any surprise at the question?

I don't fully follow the idea that because Jack has ceded control to Hurley, he will therefore be the candidate who is eventually chosen. Didn't Sun cede control to Jack? Why wouldn't the same logic apply to her?

I agree with both of you and with Brooklyn, NY about the Temple and Dogen.

Don't forget, Richard was born ~1840 and has lived his whole life on one or another fairly primitive island. What he knows about 21st century aviation would fit in a thimble with room to spare. It's actually understandable that he might think that plane could suddenly take off from where it lies, helicopter style. Less understandable are his flunkies not cluing him into developments in aviation since the Montgolfier brothers' time.

Jen, there are only so many ways to explain the mysterious boy character that appeared earlier in front of Sawyer and now in front of Desmond. It's the same actor. There is only one boy. They could conceivably have him playing two different charcaters, or ten. Maybe next week they'll have him in a dress playing young Ilana in a flashback. But there's only one of him and if he looked diffeent to you last night than he did in The Lighthouse, that doesn't change the facts.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Chat. I guess we're all on the same page regarding the boy...whoever he is.

I agree with Jen that there's way too much recapping of the past for the taste of us long-time viewers, but I think Liz is right. If 30 or 40 million in the USA watch Lost to some extent, probably only 1 or 2 million have never missed an episode, and maybe only a few hundred thousand follow the show at this level of detail. So for the other 95% to 98%, the writers insert some gentle reminders.

Posted by: UniqueID | April 14, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know if either Analucia's or Libby's name has appeared on the lists of Candidates we've been shown? I ask because Michael killed both of them. And last night Michael's ghost or whatever told Hurley that he's stuck on the island because of what he did.

I think perhaps what he did is kill a Candidate. And if that's one of the rules of the island, then MIB cannot kill any of the Candidates and still leave the island. Which jives with what the mysterious boy in the jungle said to FLocke a while back--"You can't kill him--when FLocke was with Sawyer (a Candidate). And perhaps, if one considers Candidates to be equivalent to Jacob, this also explains why MIB couldn't kill Jacob himself, but rather needed a loophole.

Now, where this whole theory falls down a bit is that Michael actually DID leave the island several seasons ago. However, he then lived in a state of torment that ultimately drove him BACK to the island on Widmore's freighter. Where he died. And now his spirit is stuck there.

Posted by: kperrystillerman | April 14, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Michael was also unable to commit suicide off island, which could mean "the island" wanted him back so that it could entrap his soul there.

Jack also could not commit suicide off island.

I'm not sure if it's murdering a candidate, or just murdering. You know?

Posted by: smynola06 | April 14, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Hurley's surprise when he looked into the bag of ashes was that it was empty.

Posted by: HardyW | April 14, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

On another forum, people note the significance that Dr. Chang is the same age in sideways reality as he was in 1977. So he is a time traveler perhaps?

Also I disagree with Liz and Jen that Leonard (the crazy numbers guy) was not in the mental hospital in this week's episode. When Hurley went to see Libby, the camera lingered on Leonard long enough to make the point that he was indeed (still) there.

Posted by: PortlandMaine | April 14, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I think Des meant to kill Locke. How could he be sure he did not kill him? He floored the car into Locke. If he wanted Locke to consider alternate realities there were other ways to do it that were less lethal. It will be interesting to see how he handles Jin and Sun. Also, we're still trying to figure out who the candidate "Wallace" is.

So the only reason I can see Des wanting to kill Locke is to prevent MIB from leaking into sideways-Locke. Is it possible? I have no clue, but it is the only reason I can see in for killing Locke. And Des knows what is going on and what he is doing it seems. Now Locke may not be dead and end up in the hospital with Jack, but I don't see that as Desmond's reason for the hit&run.

I was also fascinated by Libby, who was crazy because she was dead in the other universe. Her memories however survived. It was like sideways-Libby got island memories when her island-self died, then she thought herself insane. If others who are dead on the island are in sideways world, they should have the same predicament, including Michael, who we have not seen yet in sideways world.

Ilana is a puzzle to me. She blowed up real good and later Ben said "the island was finished with her" and then wondered what the island would do when it was done with him, making clear that people are only alive if the island wants them alive, which would explain why people lived after the crash. So, each person has a plan (destiny) that the island is driving. If so I'm trying to figure out just what Ilana's purpose was. And if we never get her backstory I'll be right there with Libby in the nut-house.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 14, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"When Hurley went to see Libby, the camera lingered on Leonard long enough to make the point that he was indeed (still) there."
Posted by: PortlandMaine

I agree, I thought that was him too, and noted that he was not mumbling the "numbers". So I wonder how Hurley won the lottery in sideways time.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 14, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Ohhh, maybe a memory/dream of the numbers bled over into sideways world and that's how Hurley won the lottery.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 14, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Personally I thought the pouch Hurley took from Illana's belongings contained the diamonds that she forced Ben to dig from Nikki and Paolo's grave. But Doc Jense suggests it contains some of that magic Jacob dust she scooped up. Admit I couldn't understand why Lottering Winning Island Hurley would need a pouch of diamonds . . .

As for his situation in the sideways world - it parallels Desmond's. Apparently his "fondest wish" was to be well regarded by the PUBLIC - and the tradeoff was that he would not necessarily be well regarded by just one special person.

To me it just illustrates the "be careful what you wish for" principle. Sometimes in reaching for the moon you just might totally miss the stars.

Posted by: jqw3827 | April 14, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The look that Jack gave MIB/Locke:

I guess we'll have to wait to find out what it means, but whoa Nellie, that was intense.

Posted by: MeriJ | April 14, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

MIB was definitely posing as Michael... and probably lied (or half-lied) about the whispers being those who "cannot move on." Clearly MIB has been using the dead to influence the choices of the living.

Also, Richard's insistence on blowing up the plane might mean that he understands MIB/Locke's need to re-create Oceanic 815 in order to escape the island. The conditions have to be as close as possible to the original flight.

For some reason I cannot shake the idea that MIB and Jacob used to be one person. Jacob got the "name" and some kind of mastery over MIB, who has no name and has been "robbed of his humanity." They got split into two, perhaps during an ancient/primary Event of some sort.

Posted by: patrick4 | April 14, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually, now that I can't get the numbers out of my head, I'm wondering if the numbers and them being everywhere in island-universe is so that the numbers will bleed over into sideways world and Hurley will pick them. Moreover, that may be the whole reason for the crash, Others, Dharma, etc, to proliferate the numbers everywhere so Hurley would use them unconsciously to win the lottery in sideways world, allowing Hurley to have the economic resources in sideways time to help Desmond bring the Lostees into sideways time and trap MIB on the island forever. If Hurley had never heard the numbers from Leonard in sideways world, how did he win the lottery? All the other Lostees have significant differences in their sideways lives, except Hurley, where he has won the lottery in both worlds.

That would be cool if all the effort was for such a small thing, getting Hurley to use the numbers and win the lottery, and then have the resources to trap MIB forever on the island.

The lottery MUST play a large role in LOST because there is, so far, no reason for Hurley to have won and have all the money he has. Now that Des is in sideways world with Hurley working to merge the worlds and trap MIB, it is starting to make sense that Hurley's money may come in handy, like funding Daniel's mind-tripping experiments, and might have been arranged for the future outcome. Wouldn't it be crazy if decades of times, countless deaths and misery were all to allow Hurley to win the lottery and Desmond, with Hurley's money, imprison MIB.

I'm wondering whether Eloise approves of what Desmond is doing. I'm guess no but don't know why.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 14, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Could the boy in the woods be a young Desmond?? I just throw it out there.

Posted by: VAjyd | April 14, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The boy is the woods is the same boy. As a young lad, his hair was lighter, but this is truly our laddie. Aaron? I don't think so. He has Charlie or Jacob's elven heart-shaped face. But he may not be Jacob either. He might be anybody. He might be you or me. Or Peter Pan. Or MIB's young self mocking what he's become.

Richard chouldn't see him. But the candidates did. Whao Bessie.

Posted by: MeriJ | April 14, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

The boy is the woods is the same boy. As a young lad, his hair was lighter, but this is truly our laddie. Aaron? I don't think so. He has Charlie or Jacob's elven heart-shaped face. But he may not be Jacob either. He might be anybody. He might be you or me. Or Peter Pan. Or MIB's young self mocking what he's become.

Richard chouldn't see him. But the candidates did. Whao Bessie.

Posted by: MeriJ | April 14, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

From olivertray:

"But why should Desmond try to get Locke and Jack reunited in the Sideways world to remember the island? Locke is dead in the Island timeline so if he "wakes up" in the Sideways timeline and realizes that there is another reality, what's the point since he no longer exists in that Island reality?
"Oops, I forgot I'm dead"?
Unless the Sideways timeline is the actual purgatory."

And if Sideways time is a dream, then it would be possible for the dead -- Libby, Charlie and Daniel -- to apear in other people's dreams, but how could dead Locke be dreaming a Sideways life?

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Posted by: itkonlyyou5 | April 14, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Desmond's role in Sideways World certainly adds new meaning to his Lost signature line:

"See you in another life, brotha."

Posted by: cgmschoff | April 15, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Man in black = Cain; boy in the woods = Abel; bones in the cave = Adam and Eve. Once removed from the Garden of Eden they went "East of Eden" to a land called Naad (which translated in Hebrew means "wanderer"). The island is wandering, right? Man in black is described as "evil incarnate". Isn't Cain the original murderer? From Cain's perspective wouldn't he think his mother (Eve) was crazy?

Posted by: scottwgossett | April 15, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I do agree with the posters that say that Michael telling Hurley not to go along with the idea of blowing up the plane was not the MIB. On the second time Michael and Hurley talk, unlike their first meeting, Michael seems sincerely apologetic, haunted, and well wishing.

But I don't understand what was the purpose of the whispers/Michael to happen on that occasion. Was it for one last talk between Michael and Hurley? Michael didn't seem to have anything to say to Hurley; it was Hurley who asked the questions.

I was surprised and confused at Ilana's dead. Her character was truncated with the same abruptness as Cesar in season 5.

At some point early this season I thought that Ilana and Frank might become friends.

Finally, a question triggered by some discussion above concerning Widmore's purposes with the island. I tend to think that he wants to keep the status quo between Jacob and the Man in Black. But I wonder what was Mr. Keamy planning to do if he failed capturing Ben. Many times he said he would "torch the island". And why did he have to start at the Orchid?

Posted by: for33 | April 15, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

jqw3827 said "that she forced Ben to dig from Nikki and Paolo's grave"

I'm pretty sure Miles dug the diamonds from the grave by himself, for himself.

I also think the whispers occurred to help us (the viewers) understand what those mysterious whispers always were. Early on, I assumed it was the Others just making creepy whisper noises to scare the Losties, but now we know that it's more than that. It's dead souls. Hm, I wonder if Gogol has anything to do with all of this? ;)

Posted by: smynola06 | April 15, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Last night I started thinking of how when we saw Libby in the mental hospital the first time (with Hurley) she was totally wrecked and crying. And then I remembered that when we saw Daniel Faraday watching the "recovery" of 815 that he was totally wrecked and crying. Both of these characters are dead on the Island but alive in sideways time.
Perhaps when we saw them in in the flash forward/flashback it was _after_ The End of sideways time? And they were crying and wrecked up because of having won and lost their loves? And now are doomed to be separated forever? (Or keep repeating the loop?)
Probably doesn't make sense in type, but it did in my head at the time!

Posted by: beta1 | April 15, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

@beta1 - very interesting.

@Fate1 - regarding Hugo's winnings, I wonder if his money and the Dharma initiative will connect (Dr. Chang not having aged apparently)?

Posted by: PortlandMaine | April 15, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"@Fate1 - regarding Hugo's winnings, I wonder if his money and the Dharma initiative will connect (Dr. Chang not having aged apparently)?"
Posted by: PortlandMaine

OMG, you may have something there.
Hugo = Hanso !
That would require some more time travel of course.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 15, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Miles traveled back to time and met his father, maybe his father traveled forward in time to meet his son. That's why he looks so young. In the original island reality/timeline we never knew how/when/if he died. He was experimenting with time travel at the Orchid. Of course the venue was kind of dark and he could be using hair dye too.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 15, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"the look Jack gave MIB": > it could be Jack's realization that MIB is really his Dad looking like Locke

Posted by: juicey44 | April 15, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Michael's explanation about the whispers reminded be of something David Fury once said. When asked what they were, Fury (who wrote several first season episodes) replied:

"I can’t tell you what they are now, but I can tell you what they WERE. They were supposed to be the Others, lurking in the jungle. At that time, we hadn’t yet settled on what the Others would be. Since they were undefined, I had imagined they were going to be more feral, gone native… I just didn’t imagine they were going to be spirit-gum, fake beard wearing, boat driving, faux hillbillies... as done in the season finale. My bad."

Posted by: TennesseeSteve | April 15, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Michael can't be the MIB in disguise, if we believe what Ilanna said about him being stuck now as Locke. He can apparently go from Locke to smoke & back, but I don't think he can take any other shapes.

Posted by: lapopessa | April 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

If it was Jacob's ashes in the bag, why did it jingle when Hurley picked it up as though there were rocks or marbles in it?

Posted by: lapopessa | April 15, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

My theory: We don't know MIB's name because his name is.... Aaron.

Didn't MIB as Locke say a few episodes ago how he felt sorry for Aaron because MIB's mother was crazy, and now he'd helped make Aaron's mother crazy?

And go back to Season 1 and the psychic going nuts about Claire's baby and all the bad vibes he got from it.

Posted by: steve16823

Whoa! I don't know if others since this post have addressed this post, but I think Steve16823 has nailed it.

Posted by: Emcdoj | April 15, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget, Richard was born ~1840 and has lived his whole life on one or another fairly primitive island. What he knows about 21st century aviation would fit in a thimble with room to spare. It's actually understandable that he might think that plane could suddenly take off from where it lies, helicopter style. Posted by: UniqueID

Yes, but, Richard has left the island at least several times to watch Locke grow up. He must know about planes. Plus, he is likely to have learned about planes from others coming to the island, such as the Dharma folks.

Posted by: Emcdoj | April 15, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Personally I thought the pouch Hurley took from Illana's belongings contained the diamonds that she forced Ben to dig from Nikki and Paolo's grave. Posted by: jqw3827

It was Miles who dug up the diamonds, not Ilana or Ben. At least, I seem to recall Miles with the diamonds in his hands counting them right after he told Ben he didn't need money from him in return for freeing him from Ilana. Ben was just digging his own grave at Ilana's command.

Posted by: Emcdoj | April 15, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

My question concerns the comments by MIB to Desmond about why the wells were dug (apparently all over the world) and that was because compasses went crazy when waived above the pockets of underground energy. I may be tired, or missing something (not an unusal state with this show), but how long have compasses been in existance? They wouldn't have been around in Egyptian time would they?

Also, I apologize for speculating last week that this week's story was going to be, in part, about a back story of Ilana. I had read an article about her that seemed to imply that we were going to learn more about her. Well, I guess we did. We learned she is fairly stupid and doesn't know how to handle unstable dynamite : - ) But, seriously, if we don't learn her backstory, I will be pi**ed.

Posted by: Emcdoj | April 15, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Miles traveled back to time and met his father, maybe his father traveled forward in time to meet his son."
Posted by: KevinAF

I am thinking, since this is sideways time, that Dr. Chang is in his own "normal time", which would mean the Chang of Dharma was brought back in time to the 1970s. In sideways time he never went back in time to the island because it is not possible in sideways time, possibly because Daniel never learned physics and experimented on consciousness travel and to some extent time travel, not to mention the island being under water.

Daniel may be why the island reality exists, allowing time loops for example. Sideways world has no time travel, no loops, yet.

As far as how Chang got to the island? I'm thinking Hugo, as Hanso, funds him to go to the island, using Daniel's new found knowledge of physics, from sideways world. Not because I'm certain of this but because its so convoluted and twisted it fits right in with the whole Lost genre.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 15, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"My question concerns the comments by MIB to Desmond about why the wells were dug (apparently all over the world) and that was because compasses went crazy when waived above the pockets of underground energy. I may be tired, or missing something (not an unusal state with this show), but how long have compasses been in existance? They wouldn't have been around in Egyptian time would they?"
Posted by: Emcdoj

Lode stones have been around for a while. Basically a rock shaped like a short stick that was magnetic. But they were more or less curiosities I think. I don't remember anyone navigating with them.

I got this off the internet (fwiw):
"The first person recorded to have used the compass as a navigational aid was Zheng He (1371-1435), from the Yunnan province in China, who made seven ocean voyages between 1405 and 1433."

So if Locke is talking about compasses from long ago, it was only a few centuries.

I don't remember the "all over the world" part. Just why they dug the wells on the island.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 15, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice that when Des told Locke, at the well, that Widmore put him in a strong electric field, Locke did not react. I'm thinking Locke does not know why Des is the secret weapon, just that he is since Widmore had him locked up, so he tries to kill Des, or trap him in the well, to get rid of him. But I don't think Locke understands the special reason Des was put in the strong field by Widmore. Locke may not understand much about what is trapping him on the island. That gives our Lostees, Desmond and Widmore an advantage.

Posted by: Fate1 | April 15, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I hope Liz and Jen will read this. 2 things. I can't help but see the irony in Richard wanting to blow up the plane so no one (especially MIB Locke) get off the island, and remember back when the real Locke wanted to blow up the submarine so that he and no one else could get off the island. Second in refernce to the light and dark and assuming a young Jacob is the light - must we go back to the all important young Walt as the dark - I swear if they do not address the importance of Walt before season's end, the show is a wash for me. Remember when Ben said he was the "key" to everything and then let him and Michael off the island....I would also like to know the significance of Ecko...i hate to thing that he was just a filler character....

Posted by: sodamnlost | April 15, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

@sodamnlost

AMEN. i can live with the millions of little answers or mysteries they won't end up answering as long as they keep the story as interesting as (at least i think) it has been this season. but, WALT needs to be addressed! I remember reading back in S3 that the producers wanted Eko's charecter to have a major arc thru the end of the series, but that the actor chose to leave the show because he didn't want to move to Hawaii. i miss his charecter too.

Posted by: Jere1570 | April 16, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

@ Fate1 "I am thinking, since this is sideways time, that Dr. Chang is in his own "normal time", which would mean the Chang of Dharma was brought back in time to the 1970s."

Yeah- I thought of that after I posted the above--then I was thinking that sideways reality started about 1977, which means that Dr. Chang was developing his time machine at that time, and Daniel was there before that (having got there in 1974) and was working on something at Ann Arbor's Dharma lab from 1974-1977 before his mother shot him. If the intersecting event was in 1977, then time before that was common to both realities.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 16, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"got this off the internet (fwiw):
"The first person recorded to have used the compass as a navigational aid was Zheng He (1371-1435), from the Yunnan province in China, who made seven ocean voyages between 1405 and 1433."

So if Locke is talking about compasses from long ago, it was only a few centuries.

I don't remember the "all over the world" part. Just why they dug the wells on the island.

Posted by: Fate1

Thanks Fate1. I thought that compasses only came into existance during the age of exploration. You've confirmed it. Thus the wells would not appear to predate Jacob and MIB's time on the island, assuming they go back to Egyptian times, or thereabout. I will have to watch the show again but I do seem to recall MIB saying that these wells were all over, which I took to mean other locations on earth. But it could have been a wild leap.

Posted by: Emcdoj | April 16, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

As far as the Compass goes, MIB is a known liar, but if what he said is true then the well is not as old as the ancient (egyptian?)parts. If you remember when Sawyer & co. time-jumped to a time that the statue was intact, the well was NOT there. Sawyer's rope went into the ground. And Sawyer & co. had come from a time when the well was built, but the Orchid station was not. So the well could have been built by early Others wondering why their compasses went crazy. And the other wells he mentioned could be on the island.

Bigger question is why MIB felt he needed to go through this just (take him to the well) to kill Des.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 16, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

As far as the Compass goes, MIB is a known liar, but if what he said is true then the well is not as old as the ancient (egyptian?)parts. If you remember when Sawyer & co. time-jumped to a time that the statue was intact, the well was NOT there. Sawyer's rope went into the ground. And Sawyer & co. had come from a time when the well was built, but the Orchid station was not. So the well could have been built by early Others wondering why their compasses went crazy. And the other wells he mentioned could be on the island.

Bigger question is why MIB felt he needed to go through this just (take him to the well) to kill Des.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 16, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm very slow when analyzing things, so my question goes back to the end of season 5 and beginning of season 6.

Man in Black (in the shape of Locke) demanded from Richard that he take him to Jacob, which lead Locke, Ben, Richard, Sun and the whole group of beach Others to the statue. But Man in Black new about Jacob's place in the statue as well other Jacob's hang-out places (apparently he's had millennia to learn about them).

MIB/Locke could have gone with Ben to the statue directly. And in that way, after killing Jacob, MIB could have taken the Others at the Temple and the Others at the beach completely off-guard, and thus simplify his job enormously.

Posted by: for33 | April 16, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking more and more that MIB did not intend to kill des by pushing him down the well, but instead "imprison him" until MIB can get the heck off the island. Hence the young boy smirking slyly, reminding MIB, "you can't kill him!"

For33 - I don't think MIB's only goal was to get Ben to kill Jacob (albeit it was his main goal), I think he also needed to round up the Others and get them on "his team" and be "their leader" to further his plan--which wasn't to catch the Others off guard, but it was to entice them to join him in leaving the island.

Posted by: smynola06 | April 16, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Jack's realization that MIB is really his Dad"
Posted by: juicey44

Same thought crossed my mind - that look seemed like full recognition dawning on Jack, and then Flocke gave him a smug stare in reply. I thought, it's Christian.

Posted by: PortlandMaine | April 16, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah- I thought of that after I posted the above--then I was thinking that sideways reality started about 1977, which means that Dr. Chang was developing his time machine at that time, and Daniel was there before that (having got there in 1974) and was working on something at Ann Arbor's Dharma lab from 1974-1977 before his mother shot him. If the intersecting event was in 1977, then time before that was common to both realities."
Posted by: KevinAF

That make sense, so its probably wrong. I swear, almost all of the predictions that made sense were proven wrong. Its just as likely that Chang will go back to 1974 as it is that the Chang of 1974 went forward in time and is now in sideways time, or he's immortal like Richard. Take your pick, the writers could send us in any direction (talk about power!).

But not to be too discouraged (it is just a show after all), I have always wondered about the mix of technologies on the island. The objects from the distant past (egyptian stuff), the stuff brought by Dharma (computers, houses, etc), and the futuristic stuff (sonic barriers and Widmore's EM machine. I have always had the notion that the Others and/or Dharma were people from the future, the far future, stranded in our time and using what technology they could. Time will tell (pun intended).

Posted by: Fate1 | April 17, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Regarding the aging boy, I'm reminded of the ghost girl Jennie in "A Portait of Jennie." Artist Eben - not knowing she is a ghost until later - first sees her as a child. From Wikipedia:

"Eben encounters Jennie at intermittent intervals. Strangely, she appears to be growing up much more rapidly than is possible. He soon falls in love with her, but is puzzled by the fact that she seems to be experiencing events that he discovers took place many years previously as if they had just happened. He sets out to investigate but does not reveal what he discovers to anyone, and is puzzled by what he finds."

This also reminds me of Lost's theme of love transcending time. Other similarities are a lighthouse, water, and picnic.

Anyone else familiar with the book or movie notice any other similarities?

Posted by: West3 | April 17, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Can we also think that MIB physically doesn't need to get off the island, but that he needs the candidates to get off? MIB survives/wins if he can get all of Jacob's candidates off the island. No more candidates, no more Jacob, no more island.

Posted by: humanrace | April 18, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

KevinAF,

I think you've pinned down the rough date of the well on the island and that is sometime after 1954, so clearly not so ancient.

Another question/comment. I believe that Des told Ben in sideways world, when Ben was asking him why he was sitting in his car outside the school (apparently checking to see if Des was a perv),that he is waiting for his son Charlie. We know that Des has no kids in sideways world. Either he just made up a name to placate Ben or Des was at that time fully up to speed in knowing about his life in Island world in that he has a son named Charlie. I think this is a clear indicator of the fact that Des is now fully aware of the two realities. Of course, the other scenes in sideways world where Des is trying to interact with the Losties also indicate the same thing, so the comment about Charlie is perhaps only a minor point.

Prediction for next week: since it is Jack-centric, car-struck Locke and Ben will end up at the hospital where Jack will fix Locke so that he can walk again. Then Locke will be truly healed and at peace. I think we will also find out who Jack's ex-wife is. Some folks have theorized that it is going to be Juliet. That could be but I am not going that far. I still see Juliet and Sawyer having coffee together and likely will be in the same shop at the same time as Des and Penny. I think Ben will also run into someone at the hospital who will jog his memory of island world. That could also be Juliet. Or Ilana who is also a patient at the hospital?

Just wild-a**ed guessing. Part of the fun of Lost.

Posted by: dojemc | April 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Another thought. If both Locke and Ben have some type of incident at the hospital where they recall events in island world, then they will both realize that Ben killed Locke in that reality. Should make for quite a scene.

Posted by: dojemc | April 18, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

It does not seem likely that Claire and Sun would still be at the hospital when Locke arrives. I guess if they are trying to save Sun's baby, and Claire has continued complications, it's possible. It would be well over a week after the flight when Locke was run over by Des. They would have had a few complications. Same with Omer if we expect Sayid to be at the hospital too.

I wonder if this episode is the one where Jack informs Claire on the island that he is her brother, and in LA X meets her at the hospital/makes the connection to the Claire listed in Dad's Will.

Posted by: KevinAF | April 19, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

In watching the previews for this week's show, it appears that Sayid is going to go back to the well where Des survived the fall. Sayid has a gun with him. Question is whether MIB sent him back to see if Des is dead and, if not, finish him off. Or whether Sayid has gone rouge and is going to help Des.

Re the hospital, it could be that is where we will see a fairly large reunion of Losties as Kevin speculates above. Jin and Sun could definitely be there. Jack, Locke and Ben will be there. Claire could, I suppose, be there by bringing her baby back for a follow-on check up. Maybe she runs into Kate who accompanies her though last time we saw Kate, Sawyer has apprehended her. Maybe he and Miles transport Kate the the hospital as well. Sayid could be visiting his brother. That just leave Hurley. Maybe he takes Libby back to the hospital mistaking it for the mental hospital : - )

Posted by: Emcdoj | April 19, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe he takes Libby back to the hospital mistaking it for the mental hospital" That's likely. ;)

Man that would be quite the reunion.

Posted by: smynola06 | April 19, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Quite a reunion if Desmond also shows up, which I think likely, to explain why he brought them all together.

Question I have is whether Eloise knows what he's up to. I'm guessing not. But I think in the end this is how they will all escape the island, by transferring their consciousnesses through to sideways world, with Daniel's help of course. Not Widmore though, he'll remain in the island reality, while the happy Widmore that likes Des lives in sideways world with our escaped Lostees. The End!

Posted by: Fate1 | April 19, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

To continue the thought, Eloise has already transferred her consciousness to sideways world, somehow, maybe she used Daniel's equipment from his Oxford days, and Desmond has done the same thanks to Charlie. Desmond will help the rest get through.

If this idea holds there is a problem ... the island will be left outside sideways time, drifting with MIB and, I'll bet, someone to keep him under control. I'm guessing Jack, who after experiencing his sideways self agrees not to transfer but lets this better sideways-Jack raise his son. Candidate-Jack and MIB-Locke live on the island, floating through a different reality, forever and ever.

There is a paradox however and that is Dr. Chang. He is young in 2007 sideways reality, as young as he was in 1977 island reality. Remember that Chang had many different names. I will not be surprised if he is somehow involved with the sideways timeline and will become a major player as we move toward the finale. I'm thinking there are many Dr. Changs in various times, clones of himself, just like the rabbit that fell from the ceiling in an early episode, a duplicate of the other rabbit, and he said not to let them touch each other. Ohhh, antimatter clones? Sideways world is antimatter? Now THAT would be jumping the shark, but actually make a little sense, that or dark matter :-)

Posted by: Fate1 | April 19, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Fate1, I think you're right about Des also showing up at the hospital. I also think you are right about Jack taking over as the candidate on the Island. I think we'll see more evidence of that tonight. Can't wait.

Posted by: dojemc | April 20, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

New feature: Lost fan profiles on Wash Post:

For some reason, Liz and Jen post Lost related articles that you don't see in the Lost Central section. You can click on the big "Celebritology" logo to get there.

The day of each show, for example, they post advance questions to consider. Since they cover whatever spoilers you would know if you've seen that week's previews, maybe they make it hard to find on purpose.

Anyhow, today they posted an interview with a fan, a student writing a college thesis on Lost. At least one person responded that that the student was not a worthy topic of their blog.

This led me to to expand on my "infection" theme for disgruntled fans this season:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/celebritology/2010/04/profiles_in_lost_fandom_meet_m.html

Posted by: MeriJ | April 20, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

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