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As Petraeus Testifies, RNC Slams Clinton & Obama

As Congress prepares to hear testimony this week from Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, the Republican National Committee is using the general's appearance as an opportunity to take aim at Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama.

The RNC's new online video, "Politics vs. Petraeus," weaves together the general's September congressional testimony with comments by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama:

This official party production is similar to recent efforts by Freedom's Watch, the privately-funded conservative group that started last summer.

-- Ed O'Keefe

By Ed O'Keefe |  April 7, 2008; 11:50 AM ET Congress , Issue Ads
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Given the way they got us into this moronic war, and the way they have executed this war, and the way they have left our troops exposed, not to mention the way Betrayus has lied to us about the "success" of the surge, why do we care what the republicans think or say.

They led us down this path, into a quagmire, and now they want us to stay there? For what?

Posted by: jeffp | April 7, 2008 12:54 PM

How ironic that the RNC would critisize the Democratic candidates for George Bush's misguided war. Their efforts and money would be better spent trying to find a way to extricate us from Iraq without causing a genocide. Shameful!

Posted by: Brigitte | April 7, 2008 1:02 PM

The surge succeeds when the surge ends.

RNC must be deathly afraid of what General Petrayus has to say next week; can't be anything good.

Posted by: Jay | April 7, 2008 1:30 PM

RNC should shut up and disappear. Washington Post should get its priority right and focus on what majority of American people are saying instead of a bunch of dogmatic losers.

Posted by: Julian | April 7, 2008 1:35 PM

My question to Petraeus would be:
Can you explain the reasons why different factions in Iraq are fighting each other?
Do you have a historical understanding of the deep divisions of various groups in Iraq: The Badr Army, The Mahdi army, the Supreme Islamic council?
Why are we siding with Maliki against Sadr.

Divisions and factions seem so complex in Iraq that I fear we may be supporting the wrong group ...just because that group let's us have our way.

It seems like Sadr has popular support and Maliki has US support.

Posted by: Norris Hall | April 7, 2008 1:35 PM

This ad is insulting to my intelligence and the intelligence of anyone who watches it. What a way of taking things out of context and manipulating emotions-- "Complete disregard for the facts," "Complete disregard for our troops," and "Complete disregard for out general"-- what facts? The facts about how this war shoud have never happened--those facts? The facts that Obama has voted to fund the troops to provide adequate protection and ammunition, reduce the number of individual tours, and provide counseling and adequate preparation--is that how he's disregarded the troops? And is the RNC insinuating that General Petraeus is an RNC puppet? Is that what they mean by "our general?" This ad is pathetic in its production, intent, and outright manipulation.

Posted by: Joy | April 7, 2008 1:36 PM

RNC should shut up and disappear. How dare Washington Post highlights the view of these dogmatic losers instead of focusing on what majority of Americans are saying.

Posted by: Julian | April 7, 2008 1:39 PM

How dare you try and paint Mrs.Clinton and Mr.Obama with such a tainted brush. "Total Disregard For The Truth,"is that not what have gotten us to this point. Mrs.Clinton, or Mr.Obama had no power to stop this total disregard for the truth, so do not sling that mess, and if you must, remember there will always be the Bush blow back."We" leave it to you.

Posted by: We The People | April 7, 2008 1:39 PM

When the Dimwitocrats win.... all will be right with the world. Yipeee!!!!!

Posted by: Homer | April 7, 2008 1:40 PM

Haha!
This is truly hilarious.
The Bush administration lied and ignored the FACTS before sending troops into Iraq. All the core reasons presented for the invasion were proved false. The foolish ousting of the one man who maintained order in his sovereign nation produced the situation we see today. He did not allow terrorists to function within his borders, but the forcing of Western values on a Middle Eastern population opened a Pandora's Box in the region. It is now robbing the American taxpayers of funds needed to maintain our own country. We sacrifice our children and economic security for a country that is proving it will not. The Brits pulled out. Why? They are responsible for and to the citizens of their land. The Bush administration has not been. Look at the facts. What did the surge actually do, but buy time for each side of a civil war to regroup?

Posted by: Gregory | April 7, 2008 1:42 PM

The "he lied" liberal media brainwashed toss in the white flag democrats don't have a clue. We are fighting the good fight to free millions and, for political reasons only, there are those who are working for our defeat. Shame. Same story with the economy.

Posted by: v Racer | April 7, 2008 1:50 PM

Having just returned from Iraq, I can tell you two things. First, the additional troop in theatre have allowed us to provide a prolonged presence stabalizing Baghdad. Simply put "the Surge" is working as everyone with any common sense would have expected.

Second, the soliders who are fighting this war are sick and tired of it being politicized the way it has been. Discussion about troop strengh and a draw downs are important discussions, however, this debat should be held in secure places out of the public arena. Strategic discussions are not (and should not be) public information.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 7, 2008 1:50 PM

The RNC and the GOP have completely lost their moral compass. To argue divisively against a candidate when serious issues, Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy, subprime mortgages, etc exist is ignoring the real issues.

Welcome to Vietnam II.

Posted by: Scott Kimn | April 7, 2008 1:51 PM

"I will always listen to our commanders on the ground" does not mean "I will always do what our commanders on the ground want".


It's important for a President to listen to everyone's opinions, but that doesn't mean he has to do what they say. A President has to consider the implication of a particular course of action on the whole country, not just those in the military.


That's why we have a civilian in charge of the Armed Forces.

Posted by: Gary | April 7, 2008 1:51 PM

A good and fair video, be careful of what you say as a politician, it can come back to haunt you, welcome to the youtube generation. I am tired of being told by the DNC what to think, just to have them do a 180 once they get elected. As Americans we should not be fooled again by corrupt politicians.

Posted by: Impaler | April 7, 2008 1:53 PM

The RNC is absolutely right. Very well put. Clinton and Obama will destroy our country if either of them are elected. Go McCain!

Posted by: Mike | April 7, 2008 1:54 PM

Anything moving with an (R) label in November has a giant bullseye, which cries out for a vote against it. The only way to remove the sickness, peversions, phony war, and recession of the Republican Party from our nation is to vote out every single one of them, from the Presidency to Congress to the State House. They have failed and virtually destroyed our country for the past 25 years (with some brief relief and a balanced budget by Clinton). It's time for them to go away permanently---we have allowed them to spit on our Constitution long enough. Most people now detest "conservatism" (or, more properly, American neo-naziism).
"Conservative" is the new dirty word, and man does it reek. They killed Pat Tillman and destroyed his family; don't let them do it to your family. Out of Iraq and go after Bin Laden (the Bush family buddy) NOW. Republicans: coming to a jail near you soon.

Posted by: royhobbs | April 7, 2008 2:03 PM

The RNC? Does any rational person care what these sociopaths have to say?

Posted by: mike johnson | April 7, 2008 2:03 PM

With all the problems these idiots are facing this fall, with almost 30 seats up for grabs, horrible polling numbers and a very weak canidate with McCain, they have some set on them.

Posted by: Patrick NYC | April 7, 2008 2:16 PM

Clinton, Obama, and the New York Times editors should be charged and brought to trial on treason charges.

Posted by: Robert | April 7, 2008 2:34 PM

Tim McGirk should simply be blindfolded and shot. It would be more humane than what he is doing to the Marines with the lies he has published about our true heroes.

Posted by: Phil | April 7, 2008 2:36 PM

THEY killed Pat Tilman? That is just stupid.

Posted by: Tj | April 7, 2008 2:44 PM

To the soldier returned from Iraq:
I'm glad you made it out alive. I'm sorry that we have let you down. We elected an incompetent Commander in Chief with so many conflicts of interest it isn't clear anymore which corporation or cartel he works for.

The troops serve us--the American people--not George Bush. We want you home, not because you failed us, but because we failed you.

To v Racer:
We haven't saved millions of people from anything, unless you think that life in Iraq is so horrible that being killed is better. In that case, yes, we've "saved" more than a few.

But we shouldn't throw out all Republicans (or all Democrats). There are some great men and women serving on both sides of the aisle. Does anyone really think that a one party government would be an improvement? Checks and balances are more important than the inconvenience of not always getting your way.

Posted by: Dave | April 7, 2008 2:52 PM

America is on to you!!! Be careful. The answer is not "so?"

Posted by: kt | April 7, 2008 3:12 PM

To all of you folks suffering from BDS (of which there are many): If BJ Clinton was still President (he who practically just sat there doing nothing while the terrorists thrived), I - a dyed-in-the-wool, hard-core, never-vote-for-Clinton, could-not-stand-listening-to-Clinton Conservative - would not be criticizing him the way you "guys" insanely criticize President Bush. I pity you.

Posted by: DennisR | April 7, 2008 3:17 PM

RNC: Complete disregard for the truth.

How many innocent Iraqis have died because of them?
Does anyone even dare look it up???

You know that Obama will be in tough spot between
doing the right thing for Iraq in navigating a very complex
scenario, and satisfying the anger of those who have
rightly opposed the war from the start.

But you also know he will do a better job than anyone,
because of the positive responses he will be able to
engender from everyone concerned with helping to
clean up this atrocious and immoral Republican mess.

Posted by: tony848 | April 7, 2008 3:17 PM

DNC will implode this election cycle thanks to Hitlery and their infighting. There is no ways the Dims take '08 because they are too weak. Keep the troops in Iraq and finish the job.

And for those of you who disrespect our brave troops fighting oversees to keep the scum of the earth from coming back here to murder more Americans, all I can say to you is shame on you. Let them kill the enemy on their turf so our children can go to school without worrying about some phycho with a bomb strapped to his chest in the name of Allah.

Posted by: Eric B | April 7, 2008 3:33 PM

DNC will implode this election cycle thanks to Hitlery and their infighting. There is no ways the Dims take '08 because they are too weak. Keep the troops in Iraq and finish the job.

And for those of you who disrespect our brave troops fighting oversees to keep the scum of the earth from coming back here to murder more Americans, all I can say to you is shame on you. Let them kill the enemy on their turf so our children can go to school without worrying about some phycho with a bomb strapped to his chest in the name of Allah.

Posted by: Eric B | April 7, 2008 3:33 PM
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Man the nut jobs are out in full force today. Why are you people on the blog of such a liberal paper? Doesn't Faux News and Rush bave blogs?

Posted by: Patrick NYC | April 7, 2008 3:40 PM

I am so frustrated that this war is political. Both political parties have decided the outcome without the facts. The RNC isn't consulting generals about which position to support. They decided first that they support the continuation of the war, because of its political advantage to them, and then found clips of a general who supports it. The DNC also made their decision with "complete disregard for the facts" because it is politically savvy for them due to the massive public outcry against the war. Somebody needs to tell the RNC that those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. In conclusion, vote for Obama.

Posted by: Mickey | April 7, 2008 3:41 PM

The Republicans have to say something bad about someone to try to draw attention away from their miserable record of the past few years. John McCain is nothing but a pimp for the special interest group. He is too old. He is tooooo hot headed. His morals are lacking.
He will do or say anything.
Do not let that mental case anywhere near that button.

Posted by: Westexacn | April 7, 2008 3:46 PM

DNC = Weak
RNC = Strong

You do the math. The Democratic party is in complete shambles and there is no digging out, at least not in this election cycle.

Oh, and Patrick.. sorry to exercise my right to freedom of speech on "your" website. I guess only those that agree with you are allowed that right. No? So typical of a liberal.

Posted by: Eric B | April 7, 2008 3:47 PM

DNC = Weak
RNC = Strong

You do the math. The Democratic party is in complete shambles and there is no digging out, at least not in this election cycle.

Oh, and Patrick.. sorry to exercise my right to freedom of speech on "your" website. I guess only those that agree with you are allowed that right. No? So typical of a liberal.

Posted by: Eric B | April 7, 2008 3:47 PM
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Speaking of typical. First off if you are looking at math try the GOP poll numbers, the 29 congressmen who are not running for re-election in your party. While the fight with Obama and Clinton has been nasty, they will rally around the nominie and when they face off against the ever clear memory challenged McCain it will be a cakewalk.

Posted by: Patrick NYC | April 7, 2008 4:04 PM

Blank wrote: "Having just returned from Iraq, I can tell you two things. First, the additional troop in theatre have allowed us to provide a prolonged presence stabalizing Baghdad. Simply put 'the Surge' is working as everyone with any common sense would have expected."

Do you really expect anyone to believe you've been to Iraq? That's a pretty pathetic thing to lie about.

Posted by: Whippy | April 7, 2008 4:17 PM

Since McCain thinks this is such a good war for us all, has he thought about the finances to keep us there another 100 years?
Probably too deep for him so I suggest that we have congress implement a "Fund the War in Iraq Tax" where those who want us to be there forever have an additional tax added onto their 1040 form. This will go well with the GOP since this is their baby as long as other people's sons and daughters go. Big corporations entrenched in GOP fund raising (remember Enron and Ron Lay= $$$$$), they will also be in favor since war equals profits. And, since money for the cause is almost a charity, congress will have the ominous task to decide whether it can be a legitimate future deduction. That alone could take almost as long

Posted by: sd-mouth | April 7, 2008 4:20 PM

I'm so glad I finally found a column that hasn't been pro-Obama or pro-Clinton. I'm so sick of hearing about the good things they "might" do in office. Just a personal point of view; the general take on the people in my profession is that if Hillary or Barack takes office, we're all screwed in one way or another. I serve in the military, and I've got more than 14 months of time in the gulf. I'll be completely honest and let all of you lefty "peace-seekers" know that we don't enjoy being deployed, HOWEVER, we all know it's OUR JOB, it's WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR, and we all want peace as well. How often have you heard that nobody yearns for peace more than the soldier who fights the wars? Another thing we understand is what it takes to accomplish the goals set out for us by our superiors, including our Commander-in-Chief. You can bet that except for the few nuts and whiners we unfortunately have to deal with in our services, nobody is going to want the cowardly Clinton, or the foolish Obama in the office. We generally enjoy our jobs, and the experiences that come along with them. I'd like to keep mine. Yes we lose comrades, brothers and sisters in the fight, but be realistic. What the hell do you expect in a war? I'm being general here, but democrats make me sick with all of their complaining and whining. If you want to do something worthwhile, put down your picket-sign, go to your local USO, and send a care package to a soldier, marine, or sailor that could use your support. Or just shut the hell up and be a good American. Do you realize what kind of demoralizing your petty statements about "end the war" do to us when we're over there, feeling like we don't even have the entire support of our own country. It's just cowardly, and completely selfish behavior.

Posted by: Mike NAWS China Lake | April 7, 2008 4:28 PM

One of the most pathetic things I have noticed about the postings above is that it is always the neocon right wing police state advocates who do the poetic alliteration name calling of "liberals." Obviously some education was stalled somewhere in their mental development. With war funding going to waste, it could be better served to educate those still here. He US of A needs thinker, not follower; look where that got us.
Just like Hitler's Brown Shirts, the roll call of Eric B, Homer, Racer, Dennis R, Robert and Mike, from comments above, there will always be some who support the most despicable leaders no matter what they do and hide behind a cloak of patriotism. A TRUE PATRIOT IS ONE WHO QUESTIONS.

Posted by: sd-mouth | April 7, 2008 4:35 PM

sd-mouth (hiding behind a no-name):

It's ignorant responses like yours that continue to get your party in trouble. Please keep it up so the Dims can be driven from office by the majority of clear minded individuals that want safety for our families and safe return for our troups when the mission is accomplished.

Socialism will lose. Get used to it.

Posted by: Eric B | April 7, 2008 4:46 PM

Posted by: Mike NAWS China Lake | April 7, 2008 4:28 PM
"Or just shut the hell up and be a good American. Do you realize what kind of demoralizing your petty statements about "end the war" do to us when we're over there, feeling like we don't even have the entire support of our own country? It's just cowardly, and completely selfish behavior"

While "us peace people" do appreciate what you guys in uniform are doing as your job, we don't agree with the stupid arrogant people who sent you there. "He" may be your commander-in-chief, but he is still an incompetent idiot who's irrational blunders has put the whole world into greater danger than ever before. So as for your comment above...are you out of you F^&%*ing Mind?
A true American patriotic questions; period. If you really support your country, you question. That's what you are really fighting for. If you are not and want a police state, you are in the wrong army!!!!

Posted by: Patriotic questioner | April 7, 2008 4:51 PM

Coming from one who's educational development was "stalled" somwhere along the way:

The simple fact of the matter is you cannot change anything by whining on a blog. True patriotism doesn't belong to those who question everything. It belongs to the people who will support their country and their leaders, regardless of the decisions made. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Comparing our troops to the forces of Hitler shows exactly what sort of "patriot" you are. Like I mentioned before, it's time to put your picket-sign down, quiet yourself, and do something worthwhile with your energy. This leakage-of-the-mouth syndrome that liberals seem to have a problem with is nothing less than is expected. Of course I will follow the orders of those appointed over me, as was a part of my oath of enlistment, because questions in combat situations can get you killed faster than following the orders that will most likely keep you alive. So, don't spew that garbage about followers hiding behind patriotism. Be thankful that there are those who have the grit to protect your very right to vomit detestable phrases about our servicemembers, where I'm certain that you lack the resolve to commit your life to our country. This is for the benefit of both sd-mouth and Patrick.

Posted by: Mike NAWS China Lake | April 7, 2008 4:52 PM

To correct you in the most polite way Patriotic questioner, I happen to serve in the Navy. Another correction: I am not fighting to question, I am fighting for YOUR right to question. I could care less to be honest. I joined because I saw a need. A need to protect our country from ANYONE who desired to harm her, IN ANY WAY. So, question all you like. Just don't forget the fact that people like me, both men and women in the service, would rather hear nothing at all from people like you. It's just one of the things we have to put up with when we come home. And believe me on this one...sometimes we regret the things we see when we do come home, because of people like you. No, not a police-state...but at least something a little less anti-flag, or anti-military, or anti-government. Give me a break...it's not my responsibility to account for every decision the Commander-in-Chief makes, nor is it yours. We have the necessary checks and balances in place in our government, and very obviously this ongoing war is not supported by a minority, but rather a majority, or it would already be over.

Posted by: Mike NAWS China Lake | April 7, 2008 5:04 PM

Mike NAWS CHina Lake:

You should know that if we complain and whine, it's because we give a damn. We know very well that your service is done for us. So we want to be damn sure not to take advantage of you. It's an awful thing to send men and women to other parts of the world to kill other men and women. We don't want to do it unless it's absolutely necessary. We have an honest disagreement about whether this war ever was absolutely necessary. We feel even more strongly that continuing this war indefinitely is not absolutely necessary, and that 15 month deployments is taking advantage of our people.

It's not just my right to speak out against the President; it's my duty. Your job is to fight and follow orders. Our job is to make sure the fight is right and the orders are justified.

Posted by: Dave | April 7, 2008 5:21 PM

Now that was a well-put statement. Assuming that you're democratic...based only on the fact of your statement, not that I believe it's true...I feel much better knowing there are some level-headed and rational thinkers on the left side. All of this ranting about how idiotic our president is, and mindless bids to withdraw all military strength from Iraq is tiresome. Others may not share my opinion, however I TRULY believe that if we leave, in the worst case, another 9/11 will happen. Perhaps not, but ANY action resulting from our withdraw that will take more innocent American lives is completely unacceptable, and I tend to think that if we leave, they will no longer be kept busy in their own part of the world, and have more time to concentrate on our home-turf. The people who rally to call our troops home simply for the sake of the troops well-being need to spend more time among us, and understand that we believe we are doing right, with the exception of the inevitable few. So, with all due respect, let us do what we do best, without complaining about it all the time. Sure, question the president, but don't use us as an excuse. We fight because we want to. We volunteered to do so. We understand our choices, where many do not. We still are part of the LARGEST completely volunteer military in the world, and trying not to be entirely biased, jointly we are also the most capable and powerful individual force in the world. In another view, one we probably all share in some form or another...I'd rather be the bully than the one bullied.

Posted by: Mike NAWS China Lake | April 7, 2008 5:42 PM

Mike NAWS:

After my previous post, I saw your other posts. I'm concerned about some of the misconceptions you have about our country's ideals and principles. You say it's not our responsibility to account for the actions and decisions of our elected leaders?! Are you against the concept of popular sovereignty? Are you opposed to republican government? You say true patriotism is supporting our country and our leaders "regardless of the decisions made." So, does that mean we should put the Native Americans and Japanese Americans back into those concentration camps that our government used to keep them in, and get back to lynching black men? To say what you said reveals a blind allegiance to power that is a betrayal of the core values of this nation. Someone who wears the uniform should be better acquainted with the history of our country and its values.

Posted by: Dave | April 7, 2008 5:48 PM

I'm sorry, Mike. I shouldn't have said the last sentence of my post. It was uncalled for. I don't know what you do or don't know of history, and it's your right to have your opinion of it.

My apologies.

Posted by: Dave | April 7, 2008 5:54 PM

It really makes no difference if you are for or against the war. Questioning the process and people in power is something I am glad we can do. Instead of both sides resorting to name calling listen politely to the other side and give your argument clearly and logically.

I personally do not support this war, but then I do not support any type of violence. Violence begats violence. We need to step back and calmly determine where we want our country to go and how do we get there. After 9/11 the worls was on our side and ready to help. The invasion into Afganistan was correct to try and catch terrorists. the invasion of Iraq was made with bad information given out to the American public. Congress knew it and voted anyway. The President knew it and gambled. Have we lost the gamble? who really knows, only time will tell. The surge was a double down that appeared to work. Now violence is comming back. Countless lives lost both civilian and armed forces. When do we wake up and quit killing? Perhaps it's time to reaccess and try and find a solution to this mess. I am willing to bet the answer to our problem will not please those on the left or the right. We need to quit name calling and get down to work and fix the problems we ourselves have created!

Posted by: Dave B | April 7, 2008 6:23 PM

I never said all the decisions made were good ones. But, then, just as now, decisions have been made that some may not agree with. If the people of America cannot show their support of their own government to the rest of the world, like we did in the first and second World War, then the outcome may be more like the Vietnam War. What happened there? A presidential candidate promised to pull out, got into office, and pulled everyone out. Nothing good came of that...sorry, in my opinion, nothing good came of pulling out of Vietnam. Sure, American lives were saved, but the strife that racks that country may have been abated long ago. I say "may", because nobody can really know for certain, but I know where I'd put my money. Now, people are calling for the same in Iraq. To answer your question Dave, I know plenty of Naval and American History, and I live by the naval core values: Honor, Courage, and Commitment. World history is so so, and politics, I couldn't care less about to be honest, and know only enough so that I vote for who holds my values closer than the other. In this case, it happens to be McCain. You all might be surprised if you knew that I'm not even Republican. I'm more a fence-sitter with populist views. But I enjoy a great debate at times, and this one is better than others because of the strong views from both sides.

Posted by: Mike NAWS China Lake | April 7, 2008 6:41 PM

IF MC BUSH DARES TO DISAGREE WITH BUSH AND HIS MOB, THEY WILL TAKE ALL HIS MILLIONS BACK. OH DEAR! ALSO GOOD POSSIBILITY:
BUSH IS PLANNING TO START WAR WITH IRAN BEFORE NOV. /08 SO THAT HE COULD BE PRES. FOR A THIRD TERM DECLARING YOU DO NOT CHANGE PRESIDENTS DURING WARTIME.

ONE MORE LITTLE TIDBIT: IF MCBUSH IS COUNTING ON A WAR FOR THE NEXT 100 years WE CAN DO AWAY WITH ELECTIONS FOR A LONG LONG TIME. HOW DOES THAT THOUGHT GRAB YOU ALL OUT THERE? VOTE FOR HILLARY AND YOU VOTE FOR THE SURVIVAL OF AMERICA. WE DO NOT NEED A PUPPET GOVERNMENT. WE DO NOT NEED A DELUSIONARY MAN WHO WANTS TO BE DICTATOR AND WE SURE DO NOT NEED A FOUL, VILE RACIST BACKED INDIVIDUAL WHO IS SO DISATISFIED WITH AMERICA, although HE HAS MORE MONEY MADE HERE THAN 98% of true americans will ever see!

Posted by: LYNN PARKER | April 7, 2008 6:52 PM

just remember the comment made in dc on easter sunday when the total killeD was 4000(and is growing daily)

'"NOT MY BLOOD -NOT MY MONEY"

Posted by: LYNN PARKER | April 7, 2008 6:57 PM

It appears that there is a common misconception about this war. It is not a traditional war, such as WWII, WWI, or even the Civil and Revolutionary Wars. We don't just go out, fight the other guys, and when the battles over a winner is declared. This is a war on "terror". The key word should be explanation enough, but apparently is not. The problem is that we have to literally hunt them down to destroy them. You mentioned 4000 dead, and the count rising. What battle, and I mean just a battle, not a war, produced as few casualties for our side as this entire 5 year war? Soldiers die in combat, it's part of our duty. We don't want to die, but are ready if we're called upon. So, not to sound like my brothers' and sisters' lives are meaningless, but throwing a paltry figure like 4000 dead in 5 years isn't going to sway a lot of people. If I died in battle tomorrow, my family and daughter would grieve, certainly, but would understand that I made a choice to give my life for my country, because that is my duty. I would give my life so others don't have to. By no means am I suicidal, however, and to put it bluntly, I would take out as many of the enemy as I possibly could before they got me.

Posted by: Mike NAWS China Lake | April 7, 2008 7:11 PM

Do John McCain or conservative republicans respect the moral foundation of this country? The U.S. Constitution was actually designed, among other things, to protect the people of America from misguided government.

U.S. Constitution: Amendment I - Freedom of Religion
Right now, for the first time ever, your tax dollars are funding religious groups you may not agree with. To add insult to injury, conservative judges have ruled that taxpayers do not have a right to challenge this expenditure.

Amendment IV - Search and seizure
Under the guise of court action against abortion, Conservative republicans had John Ashcroft subpoena all the medical records of literally thousands of women just like you and members of your family. Conservative republicans are invading your privacy every day. Unfortunately for all of us, they don't appear to care about our U.S. constitution, or by extension, the people of our great country.

Amendment X - Powers of the States and People
John McCain and conservative republicans have tried consistently to overturn States Laws. They used your tax dollars to destroy the will of the people of Oregon, and the famous "Death with Dignity" law; they lost, but undoubtedly will try again. Conservative republicans and John McCain do not respect States Rights.

Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual punishment
Would you rather die, or support a government which supported and sanctioned torture? The founding fathers would rather have died, and in fact they were proud to fight and die for our government: A government which specifically outlaws cruel and unusual punishment for very important reasons.

I am one of millions of people that view this straying from our moral foundations as very bad news for our country. I urge you to keep this in mind in the coming election.

Posted by: Frank_US | April 7, 2008 7:29 PM

Hillary Clinton is suffering of post traumatic stress disorder since her Bosnia adventure where she was under snipper fire... She is making up a story about the uninsured pregnant woman who died because she was uninsured (while the woman was insured and was not refused treatment at the hospital)... She is making up a story about criticizing the war in Iraq in the senat before Obama did (while in fact Obama criticized the war in the U.S. senat two weeks before her in addition of criticizing the war years earlier when running for office for the Illinois senat)... She is makinp up a story about Mark Penn who would be out of her campaign because lobbying for trade with the Colombia's government while he is not out of her campaign (Penn is still in charge of the polling on which she depends).

Hillary Clinton is suffering of post traumatic stress disorder and so is her campaign.

Posted by: Logan | April 7, 2008 8:49 PM

Hillary Clinton is suffering of post traumatic stress disorder since her Bosnia adventure where she was under snipper fire... She is making up a story about the uninsured pregnant woman who died because she was uninsured (while the woman was insured and was not refused treatment at the hospital)... She is making up a story about criticizing the war in Iraq in the senat before Obama did (while in fact Obama criticized the war in the U.S. senat two weeks before her in addition of criticizing the war years earlier when running for office for the Illinois senat)... She is makinp up a story about Mark Penn who would be out of her campaign because lobbying for trade with the Colombia's government while he is not out of her campaign (Penn is still in charge of the polling on which she depends).

Hillary Clinton is suffering of post traumatic stress disorder and so is her campaign.

Posted by: Logan | April 7, 2008 8:50 PM

News Flash-------The Iraqi people don't want us to "free" them. So far, we've freed a million of them to death.

Posted by: karela | April 7, 2008 9:48 PM

Yes, here we go again. Another episode of "Show Business for Ugly People."

Posted by: John | April 7, 2008 10:10 PM

Loyalty - Petraeus? Why is it generals have a blind loyalty to command others to kill and be killed for nothing more than loyalty. Afraid even to speak the truth or disagree when confronted with their own feelings, and yet they carry on doing others great harm. Does he think he [Petraeus] can save some lives by taking command? Probably! In my estimation QUOTE "Old Generals Never Die They Just Go On CNN And Get Admired While Their Soldiers Lie In The Ground"

Posted by: jackmax | April 7, 2008 11:54 PM

"Kill all the terrorists on their turf so ours remains free and safe". Facts state there were terrorist training camps (financed by Sadam and Iran) throughout Iraq before we invaded and we are slowly (with the HELP of the freely elected Iraq government) in wiping them out. Kudos to our brave men and women for keeping us and the Iraq people safe.

This country has it way too easy. The more complacent the DNC becomes the more this country will be in danger. They are better off sticking their heads in the sand so we can defeat the enemy instead of spouting political diatribe in an effort to get elected.

And oh, by the way, you can all thank Billery (and his country club attitude) for this Iraq war as it was his ignorance that led to the slaughter of 2000+ innocent Americans. Maybe if he spent more time doing his job than feeding cigars to interns we wouldn't be dealing with this in the first place. Hillary would only bring more of the same and then the RNC would have to clean up the mess yet again.

God bless America. We need it.

Posted by: Eric B | April 8, 2008 12:54 PM

Eric,

On the contrary, the facts are that there were no--NO!--terrorist camps financed by Sadam Hussein in Iraq. He was a secular dictator and the terrorist groups would have been a threat to his power. Go back to the news reports of our conflict with Iraq in Kuwait, and then of our invasion of Iraq, and you will find no mention of the presence or involvement of terrorist organizations based in Iraq. Your claim is innaccurate.

If you want to praise the troops for fighting terrorists now, at least acknowledge the truth that there weren't any terrorists until we destabilized Iraq, allowing terrorists to enter, and radicalizing many Iraqis to join in terrorist actions against us. It has been acknowledged by top military leaders that we made mistakes at the beginning which turned a whole lot of Iraqi people against us who might have been our partners if we had used better diplomacy.

This is the core issue for me and many other Democrats. It's not that we don't support our troops--that's a smear tactic to divert attention from the real issue. It's not that we are weak or cowardly--that's another smear tactic designed to sow fear in the minds and hearts of the American public. It's that we failed in our foreign policy and have thrown our military into a situation which can't be solved by military force. Gen. Petraeus himself said, "There is no military solution to a problem like that in Iraq, to the insurgency of Iraq."

I absolutely believe in the capability of our military to protect us from military threats. Fighting terrorism, however, is not the same as fighting a foreign army. We will not win the fight against terrorism with bombs and bullets alone. That's the reality we're facing in Iraq, and the longer we wait to acknowledge that, the more soldiers we will sacrifice for nothing.

Posted by: Dave | April 8, 2008 2:28 PM

Mike from china lake,
I spent 20yrs in the Navy and have heard shipmates talk, but the things you are saying really scares me. You sound like a trailer for a John Wayne movie. Have you had any Combat experience? I've been in three theaters of war and never came out of it sounding like you. What makes our military personnel different from all others is the fact that we are taught to think and reason for ourselves. We don't just blindly march off the end of the pier because the person in charge says to do it. Its every Americans right to question, and if we think its wrong we try to do something about it. You took an oath to serve and protect the people of our country. Not to judge the way they feel or how they think. You are there to make sure every citizen has a voice and can practice the freedoms of our country.
You really sound like some of the brownshirts from early Germany that brought people like Hitler to power. They supported him and his government regardlous of what was said and did. Look at the death and distruction they inflected. Just think if enough German people stood up and voiced their opinion, all that may not have happened. Why do most of the people who yell and wave the flag are the ones that want to remove the voice of the people. They don't want democracy, they want the old Communist way of life. Where people weren't allowed to talk aginst the government and everyone was suppose to believe in the same things. If thats the type of government you are advicating you need to take off that uniform because its and insult to the memories of all the men and women that have wore it that believed in the values of our great country.

Posted by: navretdoc | April 8, 2008 3:24 PM

Read up Dave:

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/iraqi/index.html

Anyone naive enough to think he had no involvement should really get their heads out of the sand.

Proof is in the pudding. The man not only slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people (his own) he had hands in lot's of other terrorist activity as well.

Posted by: Eric B | April 8, 2008 4:28 PM

Here we go. It's starting already. The RNC is already plotting their quote on quote fear tactics into making unwise and unsure Americans stay the course. Hasn't this gotten stale already? Stop trying to insult my intelligence. Americans I hope have finally awaken out of their 8 year stupor to realize the days of Republicans trying scare up votes with fear, non patriotism, and race is not gonna work anymore. What the RNC didn't figure is just how many young adults have ingratiated themselves into this election year and the young people are not moved or fazed by these old school political tricks. Get a new act RNC or matter of fact, find a nominee that actually knows something about domestic policy of any kind besides rejecting votes making MLK Day a holiday in his state when originally asked to do so. Find a nominee who know a little something about the economy except for what he may stumble across on CNN or reading about it in a paper. America will be doomed economically, morally, and fundamentally if John McCain ever steps into the Oval Office outside of being an invited guest of the next President.

Posted by: Reggie | April 8, 2008 5:54 PM

Very good! Even I am ideologically not a conservative, I like the Video because it´s completely true. The democratic candidates do not understand what is going on in Iraq, what are the problems of the people there, why Al-Qaida is there and what happens if the US would go out. They are misjudging like they did Vietnam, a war that really should never have been and it was the democrats who started that war. But the removal of Saddam was absolutely necessary because the problems would be much bigger if it wouldn´t have happened. I think, Christopher Hitchens, a journalist, who has very good understanding of what goes on in Iraq, has described it very well.

If the US-troops pull out to quickly than all the victims will have been for nothing!!! Do the democrats really want this???? Democrats, please answer me!

Posted by: Vayu-Thomas | April 8, 2008 8:06 PM

The days are over where foreign armies can come in and just take over. We died for over a decade in Vietnam, it's five years and counting in Iraq. That's why we're down to high school dropouts and convicted felons as bullet catchers and IED bait.

Posted by: Floyd inMD | April 8, 2008 10:45 PM

The people in charge in Iraq, are the separatists! The separatists with their militias have the support of the people! The tribal loyalties based on religion and ethnicity are united on eliminating all foreign terrorists including Americans from their land! After we are gone their will be a power struggle for domination by one particular religious or ethnic tribal group over all others! That is the way with tribal groups from the beginning of time to the present day!
A nation state does not exist in Iraq, except in the confused mind of Bush and Company and their confused simplistic followers!
The puppet government that we set up in Iraq has no power and has no support among the people in Iraq! ..All of the moderates that at one time may have supported us to a small extent, has long ago left their homeland and settled elsewhere! ... Thanks to ethnic cleansing!
Tribalism has won in Iraq! Nationalism has lost! ... And none of the king's men can put humpty dumpty together again!

Posted by: Richard Walters | April 9, 2008 5:39 AM

Mr Walters:
You are flat out delusional. Apparently you (choose to) forget the 60+ percent turnout at the polls during the free elections in Iraq. That is more then EVER had turned out here and those people risked their lives to have a voice. Never has that happened in the USA (at least that I can remember). Saddam has been removed and his genocidal tactics have been terminated. The Building process will be tough but in the end I truly believe the Iraq people will be better off without the lingering threat of terrorism hanging over their heads.

It is a sad day when our countries political parties resort to bickering and in-fighting (see Obama and Hillary) and make a mockery of this country. With the world watching this DNC circus it's no wonder why they are shocked by our political system.

Posted by: Eric B | April 9, 2008 9:43 AM

Posted by: Eric B | April 9, 2008 12:38 PM

Eric,

Let's not be loose with the facts when it comes to war and life and death decisions that affect millions of people.

You said:
"Facts state there were terrorist training camps (financed by Sadam and Iran) throughout Iraq before we invaded."

I challenged that assertion, and still do. The web site you sent me to contained links to documents that were prepared by a government think tank called the Institute for Defense Analyses. The IDA serves the Dept. of Defense, the NSA, and the HSA. One might expect it to produce analyses that are favorable to the administration. Despite that bias, the most they claim is that there were shared goals between Hussein's regime and regional terror organizations. It specifically states that there is no evidence of a link between Iraq and Al Qaida. Certainly, Saddam supported terror groups that focus on Israel, but even then, the most these documents say is that it was an indirect association. Nothing at all like financing training camps on Iraqi soil, which is the claim you made to which I objected.

Posted by: Dave | April 9, 2008 3:18 PM

Show me an official Government report that states differently, Dave.

Here is another for you.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

You are making my point. Thanks.

Posted by: Eric B | April 9, 2008 4:23 PM

Yeah, brought to you by the same people who said "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories." Oops. That turned out to be a bunch of words, and nothing more.

If you want an "official government report" that says different, read the Senate Intelligence Committee's Phase II report on Iraq. If that's not enough, the CIA, DIA, Pentagon Inspector General and the 9/11 Commission have all concluded that claims of prewar cooperation between Hussein's Iraq and Islamic terrorist groups are unsubstantiated. The only people who say otherwise are the administration or it's cheerleaders.

Posted by: Dave | April 10, 2008 11:34 PM

We don't need to be in Iraq another 100 years. Our troops need to leave Iraq and let Iraq govern their own country. We don't need our troops continue coming home without limbs and with post traumatic symptoms that causes some to commit suicide. United States or any other country cannot stop terrorism. United States government need to focus on protecting our border and not let terrorists enter. We have been in Iraq long enough. Hopefully, a Democrat will win and bring our troops home.

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