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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 10/ 3/2008

The Morning Line: All Palin, All the Time!

By Michael Cavna

On the morning after the big debate, Sarah Palin continues to outpoint Joe Biden in at least one regard: The number of cartoon references she is inspiring.

From the "Tales From the Crypt" series comes at least one book that might be banned from the Wasilla school library. This month, half the comic book's run will sport a cover featuring Palin "wielding a hockey stick" and asking the crypt's hosts: "Didn't we get rid of you guys in the '50s?" -- a reference to that era's infamous attempts to censor comics.



TALES FROM THE CRYPT: Sarah Palin cracks the comic-book world. (Papercutz)Enlarge Comic

" 'Tales From the Crypt' is not endorsing any political candidates ... nor are we attacking any candidates," says Cathy Gaines Mifsud, daughter of Bill Gaines, who published MAD magazine and the original "Tales." Mifsud says her goal is to fight the kind of censorship that led to her father's ceasing of horror-tale publication, adding: "What usually seems to be behind banning books is an attempt to repress ideas that may offer alternative political views."

Palin has also prompted Matt Wuerker -- who draws for Politico and who will appear at the SPX event in Rockville tomorrow -- to create an animated game featuring a sharpshooting Palin. (Thanks to dailycartoonist.com for the heads-up; players are free to post scores in Comments.) And in an apparent spirit of bipartisanship, Wuerker is also creating an animation of Biden.


By Michael Cavna  | October 3, 2008; 6:00 AM ET
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Posted by: jc | October 3, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

i listened to the debate on the radio and thought she did pretty well.but then i saw it on television and its was obvious that she was trying to get her answers out as quick as possible before she forget them and biden clearly looked and showed his experience

Posted by: politics1 | October 3, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Talk about biased. I thought both candidates did quite well. Biden was direct and specific although a few of his facts were completely wrong and Palin with only 5 months of experiance on the VP campaign trail held her own. Who writes these articles? No wonder FOX news always gets higher ratings than the lefty cable news. This is one reason my firm stopped subscribing to your crappy newspaper.

Posted by: From PA | October 3, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

nice game

Posted by: g | October 3, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Pretty funny -- especially that poor moose!

Posted by: sobe | October 3, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

she did just as well as George Bush, and look at him

Posted by: daylene | October 3, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

310

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

I was very clear that Biden liked Palin yet everytime Biden tried to explain himself he only relied on lies and untruths. Palin did great last night and I was very impressed.

Posted by: steve | October 3, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

This is news? It's clear this is what liberals resort to when they start losing.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

As usual, the Washington Post is leading the nation in Palin attacks, with its set of nasty articles and op-eds that mysteriously appeared fully written just moments after the debate ended. And this useless fluff.

At least with the above pointless trash piece, you can pad your statistics of how many "non-negative" Palin stories you published, without publishing anything actually informative or non-bashing about her.

I suppose the above "cartoon" sums up every hick, redneck sentiment you have about her, that can't be summed up in a recrimination or bashing piece.

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 3, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Biden looked his age last night, when Biden couldn't tell why he thought 6 months ago that Barack was not experienced enough to be President and know he is.

Posted by: Bill | October 3, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Biden's 14 Lies
Fresh from the McCain people.

JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Posted by: Janet Lovelady | October 3, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Palin want a cracker? She is a parrot a well taught one but she just went through every thing they told her to say period. If she was given a follow up or asked for a detail she would have fallen on her face. Score this one for Joe and she wont have any more opportunities. She will not allow any interviews for the remaining month and you can expect to here the Palin want a cracker stuff ad infinitum. If you want a potential President that Karl Rove can control and make say whatever then great vote for Mc Same. We already have a Rove puppet in George W. Bush. NO thanks on another one.

Posted by: Col Joseph Bento US Army Ret | October 3, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Let's trash the Christian Freak!

Posted by: Joe | October 3, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

If I wanted to hire a Playboy Playmate, then I'd just call Hef. Maybe I will, those girls next door seem to make alot of money and if the amount of money one makes determines intelligence measurement then they'd definitely be the popular iconic ones I'd want representing my company. Anybody out here have Hef's number?

Posted by: kaw kaay shion | October 3, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

368 nukes are worth on point dogs are 50

Posted by: john | October 3, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Nope not news, but a pretty stupid game.... 382

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

What? This article isn't even biased. People seem to think the only way fair journalism exists is by excluding things that might make a candidate look bad. But that's not biased; that's reporting. That's letting the general public know the facts. it's not any of this joke election where Palin's idiocy is excused because the media are afraid others will call them partisan.

Biased is the society that lets an unqualified woman get away with things simply because she's a woman. Imagine any male candidate doing what Sarah Palin did at the debate last night and not getting blasted. People won't attack her because she's a woman. It's ridiculous. And these are the conservatives _against_ affirmative action.

Posted by: EC | October 3, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Each day the left digs deeper for any fuel to burn Sarah Palin at the stake. They hate her with vengeance because she represents the idea that any ordinary person can rise above their circumstances on their own determination. The drumbeat of the left is that our country is broken, our families are dysfunctional and we are weak, fragile sheep who can’t survive without government management of all aspects of our lives. Sarah is proof of the lie. She belongs in history with every individual before her who had the courage to stand up against an illusion created to prop up the power of a tyrannical regime.

Posted by: NH | October 3, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Well my wife and I have finally made up our minds. I can't believe we have been so blind. Finally the truth has surfaced during the debates. We checked the facts and alot of what Biden said was untrue. SO therefore GO McCAIN/PALIN '08

Posted by: commonsense | October 3, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Each day the left digs deeper for any fuel to burn Sarah Palin at the stake. They hate her with vengeance because she represents the idea that any ordinary person can rise above their circumstances on their own determination. The drumbeat of the left is that our country is broken, our families are dysfunctional and we are weak, fragile sheep who can’t survive without government management of all aspects of our lives. Sarah is proof of the lie. She belongs in history with every individual before her who had the courage to stand up against an illusion created to prop up the power of a tyrannical regime.

Posted by: NH | October 3, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Palin would be an inexperienced disaster in any capacity, pres or VP, surely that is obvious. It goes to show just how desperate the Republicans are. They seem not to care that they would put America at risk. Winning for them, is everything. How sad.

Posted by: John Dancer | October 3, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

President Palin. Just think about it and shudder.(Pale in comparison). What an incredible, outrageous, dangerous possibility so frighteningly close to actually happening. The VP selection methodology is a dangerous loophole in the political system which can allow someone totally unqualified and unsuitable to undemocratically slip into the most powerful leadership position in the entire democratic world! It must be fixed but meantime she has to be stopped! Her imposition is the ultimate irresponsible act. Who says age should not be an issue?

Posted by: Khan | October 3, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden are ahead in the polls and rightly so. Palin is so lightweight she could float away at any moment. If McCain should win he'll be forever dragged toward the same sort of uninformed Bush extremism that has been such a disaster these past eight years.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

322 score
Palin failed to do more than a soccet mom or hockey mom loading the minivan, dodge. She dodged many and most questions to go back to the talking points she practiced with senator mccain at the ranch. She will be forgiven and given the benefit of the doubt when there is no doubt she is clueless on much in politics outside of good ole alaska.

Posted by: armand | October 3, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Palin lived on the surface last night--Biden gave her ample opps to come back and counterpoint--she did not (that's what you do in a debate). Her crib sheets were not enough, and turning on the girly juice just does not work, when discussing such serious issues. I don't hate Sarah Palin, but she is not ready--

An indy middle aged women for Obama--

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

If I wanted to hire a Playboy Playmate, then I'd just call Hef. Maybe I will, those girls next door seem to make alot of money and if the amount of money one makes determines intelligence measurement then they'd definitely be the popular iconic ones I'd want representing my company. Anybody out here have Hef's number?

Posted by: kaw kaay shion | October 3, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Face it: the era of Bush and McCain politics is over. The people have had enough. Go back to your McMansions and pray for a better candidate in 2012.

Posted by: Rational Dan | October 3, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Biden Said that the judges in bankrupcy court would lower the interest rate AND principle on the morgages to help out individuals. This is NOT what judges are for!!!!!!
I'M MAD NOW!!!!!
HOW DARE YOU EVEN THINK OF SUCH!!!!!!!!

Posted by: THE JUDGE | October 3, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Palin simply repeated the lines she had been coached in and refused to call on her vast experience of Alaskan moose. Why? I'm sure she can relate moose-skinning to most of the topics of the day. Surely there are homespun tales she learnt at her mother's knee which are directly relevant to the troubles on Wall Street. Then again, perhaps she ought to go to political kindergarten to learn the Bush vocabulary first? She is a joke.

Posted by: nomorebushpolitics | October 3, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

5 months? Palin has only been on the campaign trail for about 1 month. She has made remarkable progress. She had a clear disadvantage over the other three in the race, who have been preparing for the presidency for years (see all of Obama's 'present' votes on controversial issues). No doubt she will be ready to go on Jan 20, 2009. Biden reached his plateau many years ago. I would much rather have an inexperienced VP learning under an experienced President, than the other way around.

Posted by: RobK | October 3, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Many say Palin did better than expected in the debate, I think she actually did okay. Still, according to most polls, she lost the debate to Biden.

I guess she was bound to lose from the beginning. The Republican ticket just doesn't have anything to offer. Obama will not be able to keep some of the promises he's making because America is practically broke. But at least he has some ideas about real change. What needs to be done. What are McCain's, Palin's ideas? Mostly a few points they copied from Obama, particularly on energy. Otherwise? Pretty much none.

I think it is now clear who will win the election.

Posted by: Chief Wiggum | October 3, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

I watched the Palin/Biden debate in Canada and was impressed with Palin's capability of independence of thought even within the restraints of the party line. The difference between Palin and Biden was particularly noticeable with their answers to the "hopefully never " question. Palin noted she would give the proper respect to McCain's policies but she would have her own mind and spirit involved immediately.In contrast Biden offered mindless sychophancy to a dead President.

Posted by: stephen holinski | October 3, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

If I wanted a pres and a vice to make claims and then find out it is all a lie, I've vote for obama. What a joke!

Posted by: Rick | October 3, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

One thing I've noticed in this election year is that Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden keep asking the question "Do we want a continuation of the Bush administration's policies etc"?

Since as a country we are deeply in trouble in several area's, my answer to that is NO..

HOWEVER isn't the congress part of the administration? And in order for something to take effect, doesn't the majority of the congress have to approve it?

If the answer to those two questions is YES, then my suggestion on November 4th is to replace everyone in Washinton who allowed all this mess we're in to take place!!

THEN, we would have real change!!!

We limit the President to only 2 terms but we have people in the congress that have been there 20 / 30 and some approching 40 years!!!

Posted by: WND | October 3, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

We watched the entire debate last night too. Sometimes I wonder if some of you were watching a different channel. I lost track of how many times Palin just rambled on about something she had memorized when she was asked a question she didn't know the answer to, or didn't want to answer. And there's always the old standby... "Maverics. We're maverics? Did I mention, we're both maverics? We're such maverics!" I expected her to reach under the podium and pull out a hotdog and some apple pie and start eating them while juggling a baseball and an American flag and humming the Star Spangled Banner. And just because you grew up out in the sticks, it doesn't make you some kind of brave pioneer. Sometimes it just makes you a hick. What I saw last night almost made me feel bad for Palin. Almost. I saw an experienced statesman who was able to confidently and clearly answer some pretty detailed questions, and I saw a frightened cheerleader who had somehow ended up subbing on the debate team and was trying to get through on bluster and cliches. I know who I'd want dealing with the rest of the world on my behalf. And I'll give you a hint: they wouldn't be waving pom-poms...

Posted by: Bill in Nebraska | October 3, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Find your political correctness disenchanting........fair is fair......selective bashing is anally retentive or perhaps you just lack guts. Let's' see some moose dung slathered on Biden and Obama.....we all have dirty laundry to air! Are you living in the Real World?

Posted by: Magz | October 3, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Unless Biden or Obama went into a debate without preparation or memorizing anything, its not fair to say Palin memorized her text.

Why didn't anyone check the discrepencies between Obama and Biden's views and then hold them to it?

We got to be fair here. Lets judge everyone by the same yardstick and please don't set separate rules for different people or gender.

Posted by: TV Viewer | October 3, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

What was with all the winking and smirking? I wondered if it was a nervous tic or something in her eye. Are some people so dumb they take her seriously?

Posted by: oregon | October 3, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

not having a TV at the moment, i also, only listened to the debate on the radio. hearing the voices, inflections, & tones, there is no doubt that mr. biden is the most capable of the 2 candidates. ms. palin sounded immature, and at times, downright silly. i believe she may have good qualities to offer America, but she really needs 10 more years of public service & experience. i was insulted by her implication that the failures of bush are not germaine, & i also disapprove of her standard republican tactic of not answering certain questions. Obama/Biden08

Posted by: lawrence2xl | October 3, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

WHY IT IS SO HARD FOR LEFT & MEDIA TO SAY THE GIRL WON?

Posted by: Raman | October 3, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Bill in Nebraska--you are spot on--

Palin's performance last night will appeal to those already intent on voting for McCain, capture some others, but it won't be enough. She filled space, provided some flag waving moments, and pumped up McCain, but the McCain's policies and mind think are well into the last century.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

334

Posted by: nc | October 3, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the last poster. It is clear that Biden had the facts and figures at his command and that Palin did not. She even resorted to winking at the audience about 6 times in an attempt to make points that way as she did not know what Biden was talking about in regards to Mccain's voting record and therefore she could not try to rebut what Biden was saying. It was ludicrous. She is not prepared to be VP or Pres of the US!

Posted by: mary b | October 3, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Why do we never see jokes about Obama? Why is he treated as a Holy Cow? Why are we shy to exchange coconuts with Obama?

Posted by: Gordon | October 3, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

If someone else doesn't answer a question directly, he shows superior debating skills. If Palin does it, its about being shallow.

Why are people so biased? For all you know, she could be deflecting it because it is part of her debate strategy.

Posted by: Bias | October 3, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Do any of you people think that any candidate for president or vice president is really going to make a difference? The real people in power reside in boardrooms and back rooms and never run for political office. All this campaigning is just a distraction to keep us busy while bankers, stockbrokers, oil companies, defense contractors, et al bleed us dry. The next president will preside over the long dark depression that will turn the US into a gigantic third-world country. Wake up America, these are politicians after all. Say anything to get elected and then dance to the tune of the corporate bosses.

Posted by: monk | October 3, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

the girl?

Posted by: ollie | October 3, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Raman--I am a moderate, and an indy, and I don't think she won. There was no substance here--she kept focusing on topics she wanted to make points on, no depth, just surface. I don't want someone a step away from the Pres. who relies so much on girly juice. Because the McCain camp did not vet her, the American public and the press have to do so--she is not ready--

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Seven & a half years!

George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the
economy was fine.

A little over a year and a half ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2-1/2 year high;

2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;

3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

4) The DOW JONES hit a record high -- 14,000+

5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises and vacations
overseas, living large!


But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic
Congress & yep -- we got 'CHANGE' all right!

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted;

2) Gasoline is now over $3.75 a gallon & climbing;

3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 trillion dollars &
prices are still dropping;

5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

6) THE DOW is probing another low ~11,300 -- $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS
EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT
PORTFOLIOS!

YEP, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE! AND WE GOT IT! A DEMOCRATIC
CONGRESS, NANCY PELOSI. HARRY REID.

Now the Democrats' candidate for president -- and the polls say he's
gonna be 'the man' -- claims he's gonna really give us change! Just how
much more 'change' do you think you can stand?

Posted by: john a. | October 3, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

As a woman, maybe many men can't understand how insulting Palin is to so many women . . . relying on the girly juice, reinforcing stereotypes of women. Off the cuff, she has DEMONSTRATED she knows very little, and frankly is not competent.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

After last night debate. I was absolutely delighted with Sarah.....she would make a fabulous First Lady! ....maybe McCain should divorce his wife and marry Sarah!!!!

As far as the Republican screed above... get a grip on life....think...four more years of the same or even worse with McCain or four years of an adventure of a life time. Even if Obama does not pan out as promised...what is so great..in four more years the American people can elect another clown.

One more note on Sarah.....she seems like a very pleasant barracuda in a sea of sharks!

Posted by: George | October 3, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

NH noted:

Each day the left digs deeper for any fuel to burn Sarah Palin at the stake. They hate her with vengeance because she represents the idea that any ordinary person can rise above their circumstances on their own determination.

She is feared (likely not hated) because she is not ready.

Obama: an ordinary person who rose above his circumstances on his own determination--

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

who cares about the lies? they ALL lie- it's what they DO. yes, she's "like your neighbor"--i don't want my neighbor to be in that office, or the one above it. oh yeah....she still rambles to nowhere, by golly gee, you betcha, gosh darnit.

Posted by: liars | October 3, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Wake up people. Palin is a true gem, a marvelous rough diamond. Fresh on the scene but smart and ambitious. Governor (chief executive) of the state of Alaska. What does Obama have to show? He is a Harvard polished crystal, manipulating, driven man, whose only ambition is to become President. Compare the times she had to put her foot down and make serious decisions with Obama's lack of decisiveness. Then ask yourself: Who is is more qualified to be President?

Posted by: Jim | October 3, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Republicans should go back to Russia and leave Americans alone.

Posted by: mangograss | October 3, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Jim--
If you don't think Palin is driven and manipulative, you are being naive. Almost fired as many as she's hired, hires her old unqualified girlfriends from high school, says one thing, when she has done another.

She is not fresh air, esp. for the majority of women--she's a throwback, just like McCain--

Posted by: No rough diamonds, please | October 3, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Everyone, please note where this is file:
washingtonpost.com > Arts and Living > Comics

My word, with the tone of most of these comments you'd think this was front page news about how Palin is a deadbeat.

It's in the ARTS section on COMICS reporting about new POLITCALLY-BASED COMICS. Come on people, lighten up!

Posted by: James | October 3, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I have a hard time believing there are people out there still trying to defend Palin. Last night only confirmed the obvious, she's out of her league. Hey at least she didn't cry, but in the end the end she lost...badly.

Posted by: Tim | October 3, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

marvelous rough diamond? don't you mean a piece of coal?

Posted by: hahah | October 3, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

If I wanted to hire a Playboy Playmate, then I'd just call Hef. Maybe I will, those girls next door seem to make alot of money and if the amount of money one makes determines intelligence measurement then they'd definitely be the popular iconic ones I'd want representing my company. Anybody out here have Hef's number?

Nobody has Hef's number so I'll have to base my decision on other criteria. I just got back from Wall Street and they measured my I.Q. at 10,000+ units so I think I'm safe for today. I think I'll base my decision on color. I noticed that one guy's color is red and they other guy's color is blue. I know that they both want change. The blue guy stayed the course with course his message of change from the beginning and I know the red guy's comrade preached staying the course at one time and surged ahead successfully. The red guy used to say reform in his original message and I agreed. I needed to form again. I noticed the red guy changed his message. Must have caved in due to peer pressure from the blue guy who lead the way we wanted to go from the beginning. The blue guy stayed the course and surged ahead with the support of the red guy. Now they both want change and the red guy proved he could change so I think I'll hire him. Or will I? I do want to hire a proven leader and the blue guy does lead. This is confusing! Does anybody out there have Hef's number? I know he can clear all this up for me if only I wanted to hire a Playboy Playmate.

Posted by: kaw kaay shion | October 3, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

Is this true? I'm not seeing this. From what I can tell McCains Health insurance policy is kinda lame.

I went to McCains site and he states that for me (single coverage) I would get $2500 as a tax credit, but then says: "Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider."

So while they say it's effectively cash, it's only effectively cash for the insurance company and not me. So unless I get a bill from the insurance carier, I cant use it. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to figure this out.

Right now I pay something like $600/yr for insurance. I'm not sure what my employer pays but kaiser says individual rates ran about $4479/yr in 2007.

McCain wants me to pay taxes on whatever my Employer pays for my insurance, so my taxes will go up about a $1000. Now thats my taxes, not any bill from the insurance carrier. So how do I apply that tax credit to that extra $1000? From what I read I can only apply the credit to the $600 I personnaly pay.

So net effect for me is my costs go up about $400. This jives pretty close to a study I saw that said McCains plain would raise rates about $500 for individuals.

If my employer drops overage and I have to get it on my own, it seems I will have to pay that $4479 on my own and that $2500 tax credit starts to look pretty lame.

I didn't bother with Family rates, but if anyone wants to check, kaiser stated average family coverage insurance cost was $12,106/yr in 2007.

The other thing I noticed was that the $2500 is locked in step with inflation, I initially thought that thats a good thing. But that Health costs go up much faster than inflation. Again with kaiser, inflation up 2.7% but health care costs went up 6.7%. This is seriously looking like a bad deal.

Posted by: BTB | October 3, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

after every unanswered, or partially answered question, i was expecting her to say....and i also hope for world peace.

Posted by: mcpalin bot | October 3, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Palin held her own. That's all she had to do last night, and she did it well. She so was able to connect with with viewers in a way Obama/Biden could only wish for.
She is truly the one for the job. Mainstream American liked what they saw lat night, regardless of what the pathetic hippie, gay, baby killers think.
McCain/Palin will win.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Biden should have won the debate. He has been in the greatest deliberative body in the world for 36 years. Palin has been a VP candidate for a month. Give me a break! Look at their potential. Biden reached his years ago, Palin's is unlimited.

Posted by: RobK | October 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Why such animosity on this blog. Palin did great last night. Too bad all the news this morning points out none of her "facts" were true. More of the same - just better packaging. Pamela Anderson's got more substance and a better package. I vote for her.

Posted by: Miami Sunshine | October 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I am an independent Hahah, that's why I can afford to stand aside and independently evaluate the situation. Should you have proof that Obama is more qualified to be president, then please produce it, and you may convert me. I have yet to see any decisiveness in his actions, be it at Harvard or in the Senate, Mesianic messages and speeches colored by rock star appeal will not do. Yet, I agree that considering the overall level of independent evaluation capability as expressed by some on this site, he may be elected.

Posted by: Jim | October 3, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

IMO, Palin seemed a little too Palin-y.
It's obvious McCain is trying to make her a "down to earth, average American mother"...
But I don't know ANYONE in real life that smiles so much and says "Doggone it, Joe! Why ya gotta do that?" If I did, it would annoy the piss out of me.
They're going overboard on the Let Palin Be Palin thing.

Plus she's stupidly isolating herself from the public by all of those "up there in Alaska" references. Biden didn't mention Delaware ONCE, and there wasn't much of a need to. And why does Palin feel the need to add "up there" before Alaska EVERY TIME?!
It makes Alaska feel like a different country, and no one wants a VP who's been living "up there", and not with us.
I actually think she's succeeding in getting farther and farther away from voters.

Just a seventeen-year-old girl's opinion...

Posted by: JayBee | October 3, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Well if Obamoron/Biden win, after last night’s debate it's time for change alright.

We can start by writing a new book - similar to Uncle Tom's cabin but more appropriately named Uncle Joe's Cabin.

What a lying, suck up.

Biden blast Obamoron from 50 different directions during the primaries and I know politics are politics but these two are so fundamentally different at their core - it makes me think Biden must have been a last resort choice. Biden agrees with McCain more than he does with Obamoron and said so during the primaries.

Previously when Biden spoke at least you knew it was how HE felt. Now instead of listening I find myself looking for marionette strings.

Posted by: Obama - the Socialists' puppet | October 3, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

As a woman, maybe many men can't understand how insulting Palin is to so many women . . . relying on the girly juice, reinforcing stereotypes of women. Off the cuff, she has DEMONSTRATED she knows very little, and frankly is not competent.
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When your too old an ugly to use your looks
to juice men...you complain about those that can.
She is a fine woman that real men get abolutely get excited about. Most women can't stand to see a bigger biscut soaking up all the gravy.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Gee.... It's nice to see all of the comments. Too bad none are comic-related.

I'll try the game when no-one's looking. I have a job, and I'd like to keep it. :)

I bet most editorial cartoonists and strip writers with political leanings are thinking they're in a win-win. If Obama wins, they get their guy in. If McCain wins, they get four years of easy strips/cartoons.

Best non-political cartoon I saw lately (yesterday's "Flight Deck"):

Kid to dad: I'm not a stupid little kid anymore. I know that you're the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus.
Dad to kid: Then you probably want to stay on my good side.

Flight Deck is woefully underrated. Sometimes I get a laugh-a-day for a week straight from that strip.

Posted by: f2 | October 3, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Hurry up and die Hippie. Get your old disgusting butt in the tash can...where you belong.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

The only reason the Republican party has become so polarized is because they use one of the country's best political institutions to promote hate and bigotry under the guise of religion. I have been a political Republican most of my life - but frankly want NOTHING to do with this religious extremism in my politics. I'm not a fool. Enough, please!

Posted by: Cut to the Chase | October 3, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

golly gee, you betcha, gosh darnit.

Posted by: pero | October 3, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Palin succeeded in demonstrating that she's truly not a babbling buffoon. However, she failed to demonstrate that she has the crucial knowledge and capability to be the next VP of the USA. Her antics were excessively annoying, the winking, folksy lingo, goofy smiling - far too scripted and contriving. Her 'canned' responses to the questions were blatantly obvious, she 'bobbed and weaved' through most of them, never really communicating a genuine understanding of the topics, or at least unwilling to truly express herself (outside the script). All in all, she may have gained some ground within her own party, but with middle american Independents such as myself, I don't think anything really changed. This debate will be long forgotten in a week or so and we'll be back to business as usual.

Posted by: John | October 3, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

“You’re hungry. You go to a restaurant. Barack Obama offers you the pictures of food on a cardboard box, and you tear at them and come away with an empty, hollow feeling in your stomach".

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Noted:
As a woman, maybe many men can't understand how insulting Palin is to so many women . . . relying on the girly juice, reinforcing stereotypes of women. Off the cuff, she has DEMONSTRATED she knows very little, and frankly is not competent.
-----------------------------------------
When your too old an ugly to use your looks
to juice men...you complain about those that can.
She is a fine woman that real men get abolutely get excited about. Most women can't stand to see a bigger biscut soaking up all the gravy.

Not getting excited by her brains, that's the problem--I only wish she had brains! What a throwback statement--it suits the McCain/Palin tic!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

for all those who are confused about what some people mean by "Bias"
and "lefties"

lefty: anyone who disagrees with the slanted views provided by fox news, a news outlet notorious for distorting the truth, yellow journalism (Iraq War), and helping the right wing agenda pretty much since 2001 and if it were not for public outcries they would still be supporting/praising Bush.
Bias: anything that doesnt coincide with the views and perspective provided by Fox news.

note: fox news doesnt have the highest ratings.In fact, Msnbc has higher ratings, howevr, I dont like what they are doings.

If I had it my way, I would get rid of any news programs that are severly opinionated like Fox and Msnbc, but if we must have one, we might as well have both.

Posted by: naz | October 3, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

There was a video on the internet of a special needs kid in a middleschool basketball game. They put him in at the end of the game because they were way ahead and they gave him the ball a bunch of times.

He got the ball, and sunk 6-7 three point shots. Wow, he has special needs and he can hit a three point shot. I guess he is ready for the NBA by your logic.

The only thing Sarah Palin did was not drown. You people are amazed that an idiot like Sarah can talk? She never answered any of the questions. When you score a debate, IT IS BASED OF THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS NOT HOW CUTE SHE LOOKED.

For the sake America, stop being complete idiots people. Open up your eyes and look at things impartially. Biden answered questions with specific facts and examples. Palin paraded around the topics, ignoring everything she did not understand.

Posted by: Tim | October 3, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Palin was all fluff no substance. She ignored the questions and gave answers straight from her index cards.
However the public expectations were so low that rambling through the entire debate memorized lines was deemed a success for her. But is that really sufficient qualification for a VP or a president in times like these.
We had an intellectual and un-curious lightweight for last eight years and see where that got us. Joe Biden gave relevant answers and addressed the issues of middle-class. I think Biden did a better job....however this debate will not matter come Nov. 4th.
Even though I am a coservative on most issues I am hoping for a Obama Presidency.

Posted by: PoliticalEye | October 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Tom Brokaw said it so well last night after the debate: "Obama can be very happy that there is only one debate between the VP candidates" or words to that effect.

Posted by: Fred | October 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

How do we turn off that fscking music?

Guess I have to skip this blog for a week or two.

Posted by: anon | October 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

anon - your computer has a mute. Click on the little speaker and select mute. Firefox has a flash blocker you can download and you won't see the game at all unless you ask for it.

Of course you won't see this since you're not going to read the blog for a week or two. :-/

Posted by: f2 | October 3, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

What happened to the Judge Parker blog? What are these wing nuts doing here???

Posted by: JkR | October 3, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I don't want an every day American running the country or doing my brain surgery. In both areas I look for skill and experience, not congeniality. So while Palin may be a role model for some and clearly represents every day americans I want someone with more experience and skill. She does not have the depth of experience that is needed to lead this country should she have to step forward.

Posted by: mary ellen | October 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It is quite sad that we might have someone as shallow and populist as Palin as VP. It doesn't look like it will happen thank goodness, but surely we've had enough of no-nuance politicians as Bush? Isn't it time that we had leaders who could think a little more deeply than what they're going to wink at next?

Posted by: Susan Hay | October 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Visualise the scenario, the Russkies have just shelled Georgia. Iran is massing on the border of Iraq ready to invade. McCain has just passed away. Palin: "Oh, golly gee!" ((wink, wink))

Posted by: iamapitbulllover | October 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I was undecided before the debate, and I am still undecided. The debate was without fire works, Watching Palin and Biden Practice is much more interesting.
http://www.watchdebate.com

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

It seems a pity America must be a laughing stock so soon again after Bush. We just can't stop shooting ourselves in the foot it seems. (I'm pretty sure that's what Miss Prissy would do if she had to shoot a moose too! *)

Posted by: Seaplane Susie | October 3, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, isn't this a cartoon & comics blog? I think the Post has other sites for those who which to debate electoral qualifications.

Now, how about Richard Thompson's Palin fingerpuppet in Saturday's paper? Nice caricature, huh?

Posted by: Mike Rhode | October 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Palin is not the person to do the job. I have seen better heads on a glass of beer.
Joe six pack and hockey moms. Sounds like she's descibing here own disfuctional family. McCain + Palin = More whao's for the american people.

Posted by: Johnnie Jones | October 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

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