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Karl Rove and Sarah Palin -- defying gravitas

Karl Rove says Sarah Palin lacks gravitas!

Well, actually, what he said (to the Daily Telegraph) was this:

There are high standards that the American people have for it [the presidency] and they require a certain level of gravitas, and they want to look at the candidate and say "that candidate is doing things that gives me confidence that they are up to the most demanding job in the world"... With all due candor, appearing on your own reality show on the Discovery Channel, I am not certain how that fits in the American calculus of "that helps me see you in the Oval Office."

This man worked for George W. Bush, who appeared to believe that "gravitas" was a fancy word for that pitcher you put gravy in on certain holidays. This is not a high bar. So if Karl Rove thinks you lack gravitas, you've been warned.

But since when has Karl Rove been the voice of reason?

Since Sarah Palin, I suppose. She is, after all, the one who coined "refudiate," and brought Mama Grizzlies out of the woods and into the streets. Before her, Mama Grizzlies were things that you tried to avoid while walking through national parks. Now, Mama Grizzlies are people you try to avoid while walking through national parks, because they will get up on their hind legs and try to talk to you about the deficit. And thanks to her, Levi Johnston is a person that most of America knows about and has to hear updates about from time to time!

But the idea that the president is supposed to possess more, well, gravitas than would be implied by having a Discovery Channel show -- isn't so far-fetched. For now, at least, the two seem to be mutually exclusive. It's even implied in the promo reel, where Palin says, "This is flippin' fun!" and notes, "I'd rather be doing this than in some stuffy old political office."

Sure, Reagan started out as an actor, but that was decades before he ran for governor! He didn't try to star in the remake of Bedtime for Bonzo while out on the campaign trail insisting that it was morning again in America! Sure, President Obama can go on the Daily Show and the View, but he still comes under fire. "Why aren't you off making policy?" people shout. "Next time, bring more gravitas!"

As Obama's beer summit revealed last summer, no one really wants a president who's approachable enough to have a beer with. That's what friends are for! We just say we do so we can feel less guilty about not voting. "After I realized I was deciding on the basis of whom I wanted to drink with, I recused myself," we mutter. The only kind of TV show we want our presidents on? The West Wing.

By Alexandra Petri  | October 28, 2010; 11:54 AM ET
Categories:  Petri, Reality? Television, Tea Party  | Tags:  Levi Johnston, Sarah Palin, gravitas  
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Toadblossom has no "gravitas". He has even been refudiated by the amphibian community, his primary base. Super Sarah will smack him down on Facebook, after she rescues Jughead Miller in Alaska.

Posted by: bubbasouth | October 28, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Toadblossom has no "gravitas". He has even been refudiated by the amphibian community, his primary base. Super Sarah will smack him down on Facebook, after she rescues Jughead Miller in Alaska.

Posted by: bubbasouth | October 28, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is one of the people I do not abhor, but I concur with his assessment of Palin -- Palin is a money and power hungry, fame seeking demagogue who is managing to con so many people it's pathetic.

When extremists make inroads, the roads led to destruction.

If this is what American politics have come to America is in deep, deep trouble.

God help us.

Posted by: abbydelabbey | October 28, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Rove is all about controlling the message, getting the vast rightwing conspiracy to move on the beat, as one carefully choreographed machine. Palin is a dangerous, out of control, demagogue.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 28, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

When are we going to know of Ms. Palin intends to wear her MC HAMMER glasses when she enters the White House in 2013?

Posted by: password11 | October 28, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy, that is rich coming from a man who thinks George W. is a rocket scientist. America deserves both Karl Rove and Sarah "The Weasel from Wasilla" Palin. America is already descending into mediocrity why not go the hole(sic) way with Sarah. Hey, that isn't a bad campaign slogan: Mediocrity, just what you expect- Vote for Sarah Palin 2010.

Posted by: seasail | October 28, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

What a different world we'd be living in if Sarah Palin were president.....

-The BP spill would not have happened because she would never have allowed the fools to slide on inspections.

-There'd be no unemployment crisis because taxes would already have been cut, business regulations eased, and consumer confidence restored.

-Our troops would be nearing victory and looking forward to coming home, following her full support of the military and cooperation with the Department of Defense to give the soldiers everything they need, instead of our soldiers being an afterthought of President Obama’s.

-Money and jobs pouring out of the USA would have been quelled, instead of having to shoulder inequitable trade agreements that sell America down the river.

-Our allies would have genuine respect for us as America became an economic leader and a beacon of freedom once more, instead of having an America-hating Marxist running around the world bowing to our enemies like a TRAINED FLEA.

-ENERGY INDEPENDENCE for America would be on its way to becoming a reality, instead of drilling moratoriums and taxpayer-funded slush funds for Petrobras in Brazil.

-The HEALTH CARE FRAUD would not have happened; instead, realistic, competitive, market-based insurance reforms would be in place.

-Illegal aliens would not continue pouring in, since the BORDERS would be secured and decent worker programs would be initiated. Arizona would be receiving assistance with their border problems instead of facing a lawsuit from the White House.

-DORMANT FACTORIES would be underwritten to retool and begin NEW product production, instead of being torn down and converted to farmland and empty lots, like in Michigan.

-GM and Chrysler would be privately-owned, free to prosper or fail based on their own actions, instead of being subsidized by taxpayers for the sole purpose of keeping union pensions alive.

- School vouchers would be offered to parents, allowing them FREEDOM and CHOICE as to where their children go to school, instead of straddling them with our bloated, failing, union-controlled and administrator-corrupted public school system.

-The ridiculous PORK/TARP/STIMULUS spending would never have happened. Instead, money would have been channeled to fund REAL infrastructure projects which would have yielded REAL jobs, so that as we pull out of recession the country has safe, streamlined roads, bridges and utilities with which to do business.

-Washington corruption would be under transparent public scrutiny instead of the secret backroom deals, Senatorial kick-backs and special interest funding of unwanted legislation that is anathema to the current Washington cesspool.

THIS IS SARAH PALIN. SHE has balanced budgets, SHE has reduced government control and SHE embodies a real work ethic. SHE exposed and eradicated corruption in both parties in Alaska. SHE has put America on the road to energy independence.

PALIN 2012

Posted by: QuineGeology | October 28, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Gravitas is a fancy word for "seriousness". I suspect that Rove used it because he figured Palin wouldn't understand it and would therefore ignore it.

PS: In this context, gravitas could also mean "brains", "intelligence" and/or "intellect".

Posted by: cpatwork | October 28, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

So I presume you disapprove of our current President appearing 2 years ago on the View ? and most recently on the Daily Show ?

or are these shows possessed with more ahem... gravitas ? than the Discovery Channel ?

Posted by: pvilso24 | October 28, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove is taking on Gov. Palin now because he needs a job in the coming years. He threw his lot in with President George W. Bush, and has stayed on at Fox and the Wall Street Journal as a "Republican voice." But if Gov. Palin carries the day and takes over the Republican party, Mr. Rove will be persona non grata and will need work. He will also have fewer people to protect him from future legal action. This is self-preservation on Mr. Rove's part.

Posted by: MinnyMa | October 28, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

What a different world we'd be living in if Sarah Palin were president.....

-The BP spill would be there because smaller government means less regulation and inspection. But we wouldn't care so much about the spill because Sara would have done a flyover and assured us that Brownie was handling things just fine.

-There'd be an even larger unemployment crisis because taxes would already have been cut, business regulations eased, and businesses would be sending even more jobs overseas.

-Our troops would be even more demoralized, following her full support of the military and cooperation with the Department of Defense to give the soldiers everything they need, but yet insurgents are killing them.

-Money and jobs would be pouring out of the USA at a record rate due to de-regulation of business.

-Our allies would laugh at us privately for electing an idealogue who does not even read a newspaper.

-We would drill in Alaska and elsewhere only to discover that we have destroyed our wildlife refuges in vain because there is not enough oil there to meet our unfettered demand.


Posted by: FemaleVoter | October 28, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin suffers from what is known as the Dunning-Kruger effect. Dunning and Kruger were awarded the Ig Nobel Prizes in Psychology in 2000 for their report, "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments"

Posted by: yihe94703 | October 28, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

FemaleVoter, you almost make me ashamed of being a female (for over 81 years) and a voter (since I turned 21). Can you stand to look at yourself in the mirror? If your comment was meant to be sarcastic, please forgive me. It was really, really humorous!

Seriously, I believe the best candidates for President and Vice President in 2012 would be Palin/Quayle. And I AM being sarcastic if anybody wonders.

Posted by: Grannieannie | October 28, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

There are two types of people in this country, people who know Sarah Palin is an idiot, and....idiots.

Posted by: cjbass55 | October 28, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

GOP motto: "If You Can't Start A War With Anybody Else (Iran? Spain?) Then Attack One Of Your Own."

Fasten your seatbelts, it gonna be a bumpy two years.

Posted by: HughBriss | October 28, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

There are two types of people in this country, people who know Sarah Palin is an idiot, and....idiots.

Posted by: cjbass55

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Cj, Palin is far from an idiot. She's smart enough, driven enough, and hard-working enough to make herself into one of the most influential people in politics today - while raising a bunch of kids, no less.

She projects a folksy, down-home image, that's her schtick. It's a pretty effective one - with about 30% of the population, and no more.

So Rove is correct, the folksy image lacks gravitas, period.

Look at it this way, Captain Kirk and Captain Picard were both great starship captains, but Picard had gravitas that Kirk totally lacked. If it were time to appoint the next Starfleet admiral, Captain Picard would get the nod.


Posted by: ZZim | October 28, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

'rove the voice of reason?' No, turdblossum is the voice of satan and he's worried that the 'useful idiots' have skipped off the reservation and are running in the streets with their funny hats, stomping protesters and making the republican party look like brown shirts. The turd has big money invested in this thing and he needs to get those idiots back on the ranch. But, it's like putting toothpaste back in the tube. After years of encouraging their wildest conspiracy fantasies it's proving impossible to market them.

Posted by: michael5 | October 28, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove may look down his nose at Sarah Palin but she has the respect and admiration of a large slice of the voters. Ms. Palin signed onto the Discovery channel show because she was not wealthy and has a large family to support. She should not be blamed for taking opportunities as they arise. As for Rove's pompous declarations about "Gravitas", the American people do not need to be instructed about who qualifies for office. They can make their own judgements.

Posted by: crunkcar | October 28, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Carl Rove is absolutely correct in his assessment of Sarah Palin. Palin lacks gravitas-- the requisite substance and earnestness to be President of the United States. She lacks intelligence,leadership ability and ethics. No one abruptly quits a responsible leadership position in state government for no good reason, fails to acquire knowledge about public policy matters and fails prepare for media interviews and then aspires to assume the U.S. Presidency. Sarah Palin has not built a foundation to launch any serious campaign to become president. I do not think that Sarah Palin will ever be prepared to be a president and will not run in 2012.

Posted by: abishop2 | October 28, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

QuineGeology, you really need to step back from the kool-aid spigot. Holy crap but are you one deluded SOB.

Posted by: JackRoscoe | October 28, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

She's not a Mama Grizzly, she's a Mama Meerkat.

A Mama Grizzly would have had her valid commercial fishing license in 2008.

Commercial Crewmember Information

A person engaged in commercial fishing is considered a commercial fisherman and must hold a commercial fishing license. Commercial fisherman means an individual who fishes commercially for, takes, or attempts to take fish, shellfish, or other fishery resources of the state by any means, and includes every individual aboard a boat operated for fishing purposes who participates directly or indirectly in the taking of these raw fishery products, whether participation is on shares or as an employee or otherwise; however, this definition does not apply to anyone aboard a licensed vessel as a visitor or guest who does not directly or indirectly participate in the taking; and the term “commercial fisherman” includes the crews of tenders, processors, catcher processors or other floating craft used in transporting fish. Persons who need to obtain a crew member license include persons handling fishing gear, the cook, the engineer and any crewmembers who assist at all in maintenance, navigation, docking and operation of the vessel (including taking aboard fish from tenders or catcher vessels). Other crewmembers on a processor or catcher processor do not need a crew license if they work only on the processing line.”

Now the only relevant question is whether Sarah Palin was involved in any way on a commercial fishing boat in 2008. You know the answer. Watch these two videos from 2008.

Perhaps Palin was just ignorant of the law? No, she had a permit in ’07 and ’09. Todd is a commercial fisherman. In 2008 Palin had not yet resigned as Governor of Alaska, so we would expect the Governor to set the example for all the citizens of her state to follow the state’s rules, regulations, and laws. She was quick to criticize Mike Wooten for failing to secure a license to hunt the moose he killed. Even more impressive is that Palin herself was previously fined for a fishing license violation.

I still think it's funny that she is on record talking about her and her husband worrying over health care, when Todd and all of their children were ALWAYS covered by some form of health care, due to his native Alaskan heritage. Yu'pik, I believe.

The governor’s husband, Todd Palin, traces his Yup’ik ancestry to his maternal grandmother. Sarah Palin routinely mentions her husband’s background at public appearances, and did this regularly when she ran for governor in 2006. At the time, the issue painted her in a positive light with the Native Alaskan voting bloc.

Todd is a lifelong fisherman. Bristol Bay fishing rights must be bought or inherited.

Posted by: Skowronek | October 28, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength.

- Palin 2012

Posted by: caebling | October 28, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

All People Are Created Equal. But Some Are More Equal Than Others.

- Palin 2012

Posted by: caebling | October 28, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse


Don't know what alternate reality you're living in, but

1.) Sarah Palin is an expert in the oil industry and would have ordered proper and thorough inspections of the Gulf rigs, companines and equipment. Accidents do happen, however, and in the event of a spill she would have been all over it within hours, not the MONTHS it took Obama to dilly-dally and basically accomplish nothing but a photo-op of him squatting on the beach fingering tar balls.

2.) Obama promised us that if the stimulus was passed, unemployment would not rise above 8%. It has now been nearly 10% for his entire term. HE LIED. Palin would have eased taxes and regulations long ago, gave incentives to BRING JOBS BACK to the U.S. - in short, created a friendly business environment that BENEFITS AMERICAN WORKERS.

3.) The surge worked. Palin would have replicated that, then replicated that again, then replicated that again until our soldiers accomplished what they need to accomplish, and come home. Insurgents or no, I have faith our military is the best on Earth - as long as they have the funding, the supplies and the support.

4.) Over-regulation of business leads to businesses either going OUT of business, or businesses finding ways AROUND those regulations (i.e. backroom deals, lobbying, etc.) Ease up regulations and watch businesses grow, hire, prosper.

5.) Our allies are already laughing at us for being snowed by Obama, and are dismayed at his rudeness and arrogance toward them. He is not well-regarded
in non-dictator, non-Communist countries.

6.) There is enough oil in ANWR alone to satisfy U.S. needs for 30 years. Drilling there would provide U.S. jobs, free us from relying on foreign (and dirty) sources, and allow us plenty of time to develop alternative forms of energy.

PALIN 2012

Posted by: QuineGeology | October 28, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

What the "Beer Summit" revealed was NOT that Obama is "approachable", it revealed what a spineless political hack he is.
Another Reverend Wright moment, where he can't even stand up for his own heart.

Posted by: johnL1 | October 28, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove promoting ... standards??? BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!! Oh, that was a good one. Thanks, WaPo!

Posted by: WickedRose | October 28, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"Palin says, "This is flippin' fun!" and notes, "I'd rather be doing this than in some stuffy old political office."

So then the purpose of her SarahPAC is . . . . . . .?
So then the purpose of her 'endorsing political candidates is to . . . . .?
So then the purpose of her constant criticism of President Obama is to . . . . .?

Posted by: momof20yo | October 28, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

QuineGeology- You scare me. On the one hand you lay out a compelling (although misguided) position, on the other hand you seem to feel that one person can cure all the ills of the economy, government and society. You forgot to factor in special interests that will not go away, and influence every aspect of our government, society and daily life. That's who runs the government, and believing that a knuckle-head like Sarah Palin in the panacea for everything wrong today, is a frightening point of view.

Posted by: PastureMuffins | October 28, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

When Sarah Palin is the GOP 2012 presidential nomination Karl Rove will speak of her as if she was the virgin Mary reincarnated to save America.....

Posted by: waxtraxs | October 28, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

QuineGeology wrote "What a different world we'd be living in if Sarah Palin were president.....

-The BP spill would not have happened because she would never have allowed the fools to slide on inspections"

"DORMANT FACTORIES would be underwritten to retool and begin NEW product production, instead of being torn down and converted to farmland and empty lots, like in Michigan."


Right! And that is why the oil pipelines in Alaska are bleeding big time on a daily basis.

----Sarah did NOT force the oil pipeline people to repair/repalce corroding lines!!

And Sarah was obviously for President Obama's bailout of GM because that is what Obama did - he underwrote them by giving GM money to save itself and the jobs.

----- Clearly you and I are living on different planets. Sarah has blasted the support given GM and the banks.

I guess reality and truth and fact are terms not familiar to the Palinista crowd.

I could easily dispute every point you made but why waste my time on a quitter and a phony. By the by, how much is it costing Sarah to buy the telephone votes for her daughter on DWTS?

Posted by: Freethotlib | October 28, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is on top of the oil issues.

Right - 27 May 2010 Nebraska Watchdog "As the leak in the Gulf continues, on Tuesday the Trans-Alaska “Alyeska” Pipeline owned by BP and other oil companies, started spewing several thousand barrels of crude oil and was shut down.

On November 29th,2009 a 24-inch jagged rupture in an oil pipeline in Alaska's North Slope led to one of the worst spills in the region's history. The pipeline was shut off, and the source was discovered on December 3rd. But so far at least 46,000 gallons of crude oil and contaminated water have poured out into the surrounding Alaskan wilderness.

Reuters 7/22/10 " An estimated 630 gallons of oil has leaked from a buried pipeline in Alaska's oldest operating oil field, state environmental officials said Wednesday."

Alaska Dispatch 5/25/10 "Federal regulators have gone back and forth with BP and Alyeska Pipeline Service Co. for more than three years over replacing a North Slope oil transit line that went untested for three decades.

The "short but critical pipeline" is scheduled for replacement by the end of the year to appease regulators' fears (prompted by two leaks in 2006 from similar lines nearby) that the section of pipeline could be prone to failure, with replacement the only viable option."

Please tell us about Sarah's efforts to control oil leaks. The last example went unresolved during her tenure as GOVERNOR. What did she do? Obviously NOTHING!!

Posted by: Freethotlib | October 28, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

In a sales job, a common practice is "don't mention your competion." Karl Rove has violated this simple "rule". By mentioning Sarah Palin, he gives her a little more "credibility." In Alaska, we say it is better to let the bear sleep, than to make it mad.

Posted by: rmorris391 | October 28, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

The rest of the world knows that Palin is an idiot even if the rubes in the south and mid-west, i.e., the people who think modern science is a conspiracy and that Obama was born in Kenya, can't see it.

I think if Palin got in we'd first see the lack of confidence in the collapse of the dollar. The rest of the world would then align against us in expectation of Palin's irrational war mongering. By the time Palin was finally impeached, we'd see England, France and Japan aligned with Russia and China.

Posted by: Miss_Fedelm | October 28, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

QuineGeology - You produce full sentences, there could be someone home but the content makes no sense. The day when Sarah Palin is an expert in the oil industry is the day I burn my professional engineering license.

QuineGeology sez - "There is enough oil in ANWR alone to satisfy U.S. needs for 30 years. Drilling there would provide U.S. jobs, free us from relying on foreign (and dirty) sources, and allow us plenty of time to develop alternative forms of energy."

Huh? Where on earth did that come from? There are no proven reserves in ANWR that I see referenced. Most estimates show a 1 year supply.

Are you related to Christine O'Donnell?

Posted by: kknutton | October 28, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Rove, besides being the biggest hypocrite in the history of American politics (and that's saying something) is evil incarnate. Does that sound over the top? How about touting the idea of an unnecessary war in Iraq because it would be helpful for the 2002 midterms (there is proof from his own written records he did this, it is not a wild accusation)? How about running a campaign in 2004 on opposition to gay marriage, and then immediately after the inauguration in 2005 saying it was really always about getting rid of Social Security and turning the funds over to Bush campaign contributors at Charles Schwab? This guy is the political anti-Christ.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | October 28, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I see Sarah Palin more as a hagfish than a momma grizzly. Most likely a product of devolution, she exudes copious amounts of slime when disturbed.

Posted by: JimZ1 | October 28, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Palin and Rove both stand for politicians exclusively serving the rich. Both are deliberately lying to the public and pushing the buttons of bigotry and hysteria. Neither has any character or value.

Posted by: revbookburn | October 28, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Isn't gravitas a fancy word for testicles? It is generally known that only MEN have gravitas, particularly for many men. Those types of men that don't want to be told what to do by a dame. Dames ain't got no gravitas.

Posted by: baldinho | October 28, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

In the 1930's the German's, through complacency, made the mistake of allowing a horde of crazies into power.

Will America make the same mistake?

Just like the Tea party, many thought Hitler's Nazi's a minor extremist blip that would mellow over time; they didn't.

After sending the liberals and communists to the concentration camps they came for the conservatives too.

But Palin's "Im-Purity" Goons have already started on conservative representatives; so No One is Safe from Palin's "Im-Purity" Goons. And with their Foreign Money masters cash pulling the strings, how long after they gain power do you think America would remain the land of the free?

How long do you think it will be before you hear the midnight knock at the door, from Palin's "Im-Purity" Goons?

You might think you are safe, but you are NOT, you read articles like this, heck you may even comment, but it is in the nature of people who would destroy the US constitution, that they will not allow free speech to linger long once they are in power.

And knowing the personalities of people like Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and Rove; how long after they have ripped up the US Constitution would it be before they would seek to find out who wrote and read what.

Awake America the enemy is at the gates.

Posted by: walker1 | October 28, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin lacks a socialist mind too. The heck with gravitas.Palin is all American and that's good enough for me.

Posted by: houstonian | October 28, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

QuineGeology, you're a moron. Sarah Palin may color her nails in the first 100 days. This women has no more idea of government than you do ... and that is obviously very little in deed.

It is absolutely astounding that American's fall for her act.

But ... we've never thought Americans very sophisticated anyway, so maybe the political goings on are Par.

Posted by: Redchaser | October 29, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

I dont usually agree with C.R but he is correct. I can see her taking office (god forbid) and in less then 2 yrs resigning because there is no point in continuing to serve in a lame duck session and going on to more money. Can you see, people in the white house wearing snow shoes and plaid shirts instead of suits and shooting guns on the front lawn and telling heads of state buck up or we'll take you out. OMG help us.

Posted by: hartresearch | November 1, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I have to say this, she has balls for taking on Rove or she's just so arrogant and caught up in her own power that she actually thinks she has more pull then Rove. I really want to stop and watch this train wreck. This is not the first time she has made remarks that could destroy her down the road. She also said that if the GOP didnt watch out they would be gone.. Sarah if you dont watch it you will be gone. If you think you have control over the top dawgs in the GOP-the dems are the least of your worries.

Posted by: hartresearch | November 1, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

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