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Posted at 10:38 AM ET, 11/30/2010

Grandma charged in girl's fatal fall

By Debbi Wilgoren and Allison Klein

A grandmother was charged with murder Tuesday after she allegedly threw her 2 1/2-year-old granddaughter off a fifth-floor walkway at the busy Tysons Corner Center on Monday night, police said Tuesday.

Angelyn Ogdoc of the 1800 block of Griffith Road in Falls Church was taken to Inova Fairfax Hospital in critical condition after plunging 50 feet or more to the pavement, police said. The hospital notified detectives about 4:30 a.m. Tuesday that Angelyn had died.

Carmela Dela Rosa
Dela Rosa. (Fairfax Police)

Asked whether the death could have been accidental, Fairfax County Police spokeswoman Officer Tawny Wright said "our detectives looked at that and determined the act was intentional."

Carmela Dela Rosa, 50, initially was charged with aggravated malicious wounding, but the charges were upgraded early Tuesday afternoon. She is being held at the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center, police said.

Police offered no information about what could have prompted Dela Rosa, described by neighbors as a loving and warm caregiver to Angelyn, to cause her granddaughter harm. No one answered the door at either Dela Rosa's home or Angelyn's Tuesday, and neighbors said they were shocked and mystified by the grim allegations.


Russell Jackson, who lives next door to Dela Rosa, said Angelyn's mother would drop her off at Dela Rosa's house three to four times a week for babysitting.

He said Angelyn was a beautiful little girl with long, dark hair.

"When I saw the baby she would wave and throw me a kiss," he said.

He frequently saw Dela Rosa and the child smiling and having fun.

"She always had her little granddaughter in her arms," Jackson said. "The baby was always happy. She seemed like she loved that baby."

He said Dela Rosa has a teenage son who attends a local private school.

"She had her son in a good school," he said. "They are good people.

He said the family had lived in the house for a number of years, and Dela Rosa was the friendly person on the block who put together neighborhood barbecues and brought food to neighbors when they shoveled snow in last winter's storms.

About an hour before Dela Rosa allegedly threw the girl over the railing, Jackson's son, Russell Jackson Jr., saw the family get into their car.

Angelyn's grandfather buckled her into a car seat, and Angelyn left with her mother and her grandparents, he said.

No one answered the door Tuesday morning at the Dela Rosa home in the 3100 block of Ellenwood Drive.

Police said Dela Rosa, Angelyn and other family members were walking from the shopping mall to the parking garage on the elevated walkway Monday night when, "for an unknown reason," Dela Rosa allegedly picked up the child and threw her over the guardrail. Dela Rosa and the girl's other relatives remained at the site while police were summoned.

The walkway connects the fifth above-ground level of the parking garage with the shopping mall. Below it is a two-lane access road and asphalt sidewalks. The safety railing appears to be above waist-level on an average-height adult.

Nobody answered the door Tuesday morning at the Falls Church home where police say Angelyn lived with her mother. It is a newly built, two-story white house with a fence and a manicured lawn. A child's seat and toys sit on the back porch.

Neighbors say the family slowly built the house over the past year.

Neighbor Mark Bailey said he would see Angelyn playing in front of the Falls Church home and she trick-or-treated at his house on Halloween dressed as a princess.

"Beautiful little girl," Bailey said.

Another neighbor, Joan Naleppa, said Angelyn's paternal grandparents own the Falls Church home. They renovated the house when Angelyn was born and made an upstairs apartment for Angelyn and her parents to live, Naleppa said.

Naleppa said the couple previously had lived with Dela Rosa.

She added that the paternal grandparents "just loved that baby."

"How could this happen?" She wondered. "What's this world coming to?"

[This post has been updated.]


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The walkway at Tysons Corner Center. (Gerald Martineau/The Washington Post)

By Debbi Wilgoren and Allison Klein  | November 30, 2010; 10:38 AM ET
Categories:  Allison Klein, Fairfax, Homicide  
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punishment is due...

Posted by: adamblawrence | November 30, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Why ##%%%^ Why?

Posted by: msdooby1 | November 30, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely disgusting.

Posted by: zippyspeed | November 30, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Could someone please throw her off the walkway and save our taxpayer dollars........

Posted by: marylandgators | November 30, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Very creepy. The grandmother looks well kept in her photo, not like she was mentally ill or anything. She had a son in private school and a nice home. I don't think this was a case of someone cracking and having a psychotic break under financial or other stress. The grandmother looks mean but not crazy. I think she's just a socipath who finally showed her true colors to the world. Throw Grandma From The Train.

Posted by: gsquared100 | November 30, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

An innocent harmless child, why? I hope she receives capital punishment for this.

Posted by: FollowTokenMike | November 30, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

God bless that poor child's soul. How evil! Don't throw grandma off the walkway, throwing her off the Bay bridge is my suggestion. Well, she'll get a really good lawyer and won't serve too much time and her family may plead for lenience. My question is how will she (or her lawyer) attempt to explain throwing the child??

Posted by: shejoy | November 30, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

What could ever make a grandmother or anyone else throw a helpless child off a walkway ? it is beyond words. someone needs to throw her off a walkway but not 50 feet about 500 feet

Posted by: SarahoDonnell | November 30, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Things don't really add up here. What if there's a more innocent explanation, like she picked up the kid to let her look over the rail and see the view? But maybe the kid wiggled wrong, or gramma lost her grip?

I was once sitting in Ballston Commons, when a lady was standing by the 2nd floor rail, holding a little kid in her arms. The kid kept leaning back, and the lady wasn't paying much attention. It wouldn't have taken much for her to drop the kid...and that was something I didn't really want to see.

The point is, accidents happen, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Posted by: akchild | November 30, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Jumping to conclusions is what most commenters are all about. Based just on what we know so far, it seems like a horrible mystery. Probably best to wait for all the facts to be in before condemning the grandmother to death.

Posted by: justmike | November 30, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Ok...if you're crazy enough to toss a helpless child to her death that doesn't just happen.
She should have been wearing one of those jackets that ties in the back before this...she HAD to have shown some sign(s) of instability.

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | November 30, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, so because this granny is attractive and well-groomed, she can't have a mental illness. (Because all mentally ill people look crazed and wild-eyed, right?) And because we once saw some lady foolishly hold a child up to a railing above a high drop, we'll extrapolate from that. And because we can only imagine nice normal people doing nice normal things, there is probably a nice normal explanation for this.

Riiiigggghhhht.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Go directly to jail! There's no need for a trial! When she get's to prison, there should be a sign on her back that says "I killed my 2 & 1/2 year old granddaughter for no reason". She'll then see how well she's treated by her fellow inmates because, no matter what they've done, they don't like people who've done things to children! Disgusting!!!

Posted by: burnie4241 | November 30, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse


Being a woman, she will most likely be determined to be suffering from Bipolar disorder, or PTSD from some abuse (by some man) that she never before reported or ever before showed symptoms.

Now, if this were a man who committed this atrocity, what would be the judgment?

Posted by: familynet | November 30, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

@akchild and justmike:

I posted something similar in another thread about this story and I was basically ridiculed. It just doesn't make sense given the type of woman this woman has been described as being. I think it had to have been some sort of accident. People are citing eyewitness accounts and camera footage. But no one has said what the witnesses have said or exactly what the footage from the security camera showed. While she may have admitted to police that she did in fact throw the child off the walkway, the reasoning behind it has yet to be revealed.

Posted by: Ms511 | November 30, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Let's just say it was an accident. IF I accidentally dropped my kid off a bridge or if my kid accidentally jumped to his/her death after squirming from my arms, I would be hysterical. Her mug shot hardly looks like a woman who has just been traumatized. She hardly even looks upset. She looks hateful and mean. From the look on her face it was intentional.

I wish the article would have said something about witnesses and the other family members who were with her.

God bless that little girl.

Posted by: aktotlykrzy | November 30, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

--The point is, accidents happen, and we shouldn't jump to conclusions--

--Jumping to conclusions is what most commenters are all about. Based just on what we know so far, it seems like a horrible mystery. Probably best to wait for all the facts to be in before condemning the grandmother to death--

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


I understand your points. My comments are solely based on a grandmother willingly tossing her grandkid over a bridge/walkway as told in the news report. If it is proved to be a terrible error in reporting, I'd welcome that. None of us posting comments knows for certain, one way or the other.

Posted by: shejoy | November 30, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

This is a heinous crime! That poor little girl -her life ended by the ignorance and stupidity of this animal, they call her grandmother. If she is found guilty, she should be executed! Why have the taxpayers continue to pay to keep this type of criminal alive! She didn't think twice about commiting the crime she is being charged?

I pray that God's wrath will be on this woman.

Posted by: blessingsalways | November 30, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Her mug shot hardly looks like a woman who has just been traumatized. She hardly even looks upset. She looks hateful and mean. From the look on her face it was intentional.

Posted by: aktotlykrzy | November 30, 2010 12:03 PM

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Talk about jumping to conclusions. She could just as well be in shock. You don't know her, you don't know the facts, and you have no right to judge. It worries me a lot that people like you get to sit on juries.

Posted by: AdrianMole | November 30, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Pray for this broken family to bring Peace & Closure to this horrible tragedy. Pray for the Grand Mother, A LOT! She has a difficult road to travel with this on her conscience. The innocent baby girl was caught by angels and is now at home with God..... believe. I have a feeling Satan played a part in this whole drama. God bless, always walk in the spirit ........ BELIEVE.

Posted by: ksaugustsson | November 30, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Ms511 insisted:
"It just doesn't make sense given the type of woman this woman has been described as being."

That is an *incredibly* weak defense.

If you had contradictory evidence -- e.g. mitigating accounts from eyewitnesses, a believable explanation from the accused -- then that would be one thing.

But what you're essentially saying is: the accused just doesn't seem like the kind of person who would commit this act.

Do you know how many monsters have been allowed to kill/violate/mutilate/etc. because of this kind of flawed thinking? (It's not really thinking, actually. It's actually feeling without thinking.)

^ ^ ^

Ms511 insisted:
"While she may have admitted to police that she did in fact throw the child off the walkway, the reasoning behind it has yet to be revealed."

My god. Why don't you get this?

There is no "reasoning" here. "Reason" does not apply to savage, vicious cruelty and/or insanity.

*Stop* insisting using the terms "reason" and "reasoning." It is completely misplaced and inappropriate with regard to this episode. Try "motive."

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Pray for that poor little girl. As a father of 2 this makes me so sad and scared at the same time. If this was some horrible accident (such as she was boosting the girl up to look over the side) then this woman is a complete moron. Unfortunately, if she's already been charged and in jail, then the police must have had some witnesses saying this was intentional. How can somebody do that to a child? Mental illness.

Posted by: getbent | November 30, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Also pray for the grieving Mother & other family members who so dearly loved this child. This baby will surely be missed for a very long time. Cling to the Lord for comfort, he is your saviour.

Posted by: ksaugustsson | November 30, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow, she looks really composed in her mugshot considering the situation. No offense intended, at all, I always wonder about the person's emotional feelings when they are being booked and photographed, or possibly, lack thereof.

Posted by: shejoy | November 30, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Also pray for the grieving Mother & other family members who so dearly loved this child. This baby will surely be missed for a very long time. Cling to the Lord for comfort, he is your saviour.

Posted by: ksaugustsson | November 30, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

You need to be burned in HELL for what you did to your grandchild. I have grandchildren and would never ever harm them.

Posted by: cmjones123 | November 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

@AdrianMole - Capital Punishment!!

Posted by: aktotlykrzy | November 30, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

FedUpInMoCo said:
"There is no "reasoning" here. "Reason" does not apply to savage, vicious cruelty and/or insanity."

Insanity, I could believe. But this is pretty over the top for even savage, viciously cruel people (assuming it really wasn't some sort of hideous accident). I could buy a sociopath doing this to a kid if no one else was around, but even sociopaths tend to care about themselves, and doing this when others could see it just doesn't make much sense.

This seems more along the lines of "the voices told me to do it, because the child was possessed by a demon" territory.

Posted by: n0ym | November 30, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

So the police are charging her with murder based on the Tyson's security allegations that it could not have been an accident.

If it was an accident, do you really think that anyone connected with Tyson's is going to admit it?

Can you imagine the lawsuit?

I'm not saying this woman didn't maliciously murder her grandchild, but if the only "evidence" is the word of a large shopping center trying to keep their liability insurance and protect their finances -- well, I'd wait until all the facts are in before sending out a lynch mob.

Posted by: CAC2 | November 30, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"A grandmother was charged with murder Tuesday after she threw her 2 1/2-year-old granddaughter off a fifth-floor walkway..."

Shouldn't the sentence read, "ALLEGEDLY threw"? What ever happened to the notion that you are innocent until proven guilty?

Posted by: lwilliamson1 | November 30, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

WHY?

Posted by: onesugar | November 30, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

She's a "thug"...

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | November 30, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This is what the death penalty is for.

Next question, is Carmela Dela Rosa and in the U.S. illegally? Another murder by an illegal?

Posted by: MatthewWeaver | November 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

lwilliamson1 shrieked:
"Shouldn't the [first] sentence read, "ALLEGEDLY threw"? What ever happened to the notion that you are innocent until proven guilty?"

% % %

Um, the sentence in question ends with "police said Tuesday," which means that the journalists are paraphrasing law enforcement. Whatever happened to critical reading skills?

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Look closely. She is heartbroken.


Something soft has been lost, broken ... forever.

assume this was a spontaneous act of irrevocable destruction against her beloved, what else but a complete psychotic break, some would call possession, but which medical science likely has a reasonable explanation for...no motive no pernicious intelligent evil required... just the ingredients of a mental collapse...

i would take it as a medical issue -- true insanity, total break with reality -- until shown otherwise ...

just one opinion...

Posted by: wryposter | November 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

As for the "jumping to conclusions" comments, I'm sure that in an earlier day the WAPO would have gotten some more background, maybe even tried to talking to relatives, before running the story. But today if they don't publish right away some Matt Drudge wannabe is going to post it in his blog and skewer the WAPO for "sitting on the story."

As for the rest of the comments I'm a bit shocked that the discussion of a story about an Hispanic woman being arrested hasn't morphed into an anti-immigrant rant. I guess all the tea baggers went back to work today.

Posted by: Cossackathon | November 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes with toddlers, there is a tendancy to try to hoist them up by one arm. I'm wondering, as there is no other rational explanation at the moment, if the grandmother tried this and was simply too close the bridge???? Definitely disturbing.

Posted by: george_w_bush0 | November 30, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the sentence read, "ALLEGEDLY threw"? What ever happened to the notion that you are innocent until proven guilty?

Posted by: lwilliamson1 | November 30, 2010 12:37 PM
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You must don't comment on the WaPo often because you would know that everybody who commits a crime is guilty, then maybe innocent when it comes to the comments that are written on here on here. And don't be a young black man or GOD forbid a spanish looking person , because you have to be an "illegal".

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | November 30, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

We need stiff penalties for these child killers,just yesterday there was news of trial for someone who threw his child off Key bridge.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/maryland/trial-for-md-man-charged-in-so.html?hpid=newswell

Posted by: Jim110 | November 30, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

This story does not add up. It does not make sense. I believe this was an accident and not intentional. I hope the truth comes out.

Posted by: smgconsultant | November 30, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Fry this woman. So rude.

Posted by: damnit79 | November 30, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

wryposter mused:
"Look closely. She is heartbroken."

You can't tell that from a photograph. Stop projecting your own feelings.


wryposter's free verse continues:
"Something soft has been lost, broken ... forever."

Your brain?

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

This woman should be treated the same as any street thug who kills for sixty dollars. She ended a life that never got started and to boot she didn't give life to the child. Sixty years in jail is appropriate.

Posted by: washreg | November 30, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Everyone here has already made up their mind that this woman is guilty as charged, without hearing from her or her family. This is why it is so difficult to fight press coverage when defending someone. Frankly, I have no idea what happened here. She might have been exhausted and slipped after holding the child up for a view. She might have been teasing the kid with a lesson about misbehavior and slipped and lost her grip. She might have simply picked the child up too quickly and lost her grip. She might have been picking the child up to hand over to another adult and the child might have jerked or squirmed out of her grip. I've seen that happen more than a few times - but luckily not close to a guardrail. I saw a child fall headfirst in the Metro just a few weeks ago after squirming free from a slightly distracted parent. She may have had a psychotic break. She is likely suffering from shock and incapable of properly defending herself through interrogation techniques designed to elicit a confession. There might be a language barrier that prevents her from defending herself. No one here has any idea whatsoever of what happened - nor do the police, or the angry and upset, grieving parents. The police charge plenty of innocent people with crimes - God help all of you if you ever have some sort of accident or mental illness. I'm horrified at the death of the child and if this woman snapped somehow, I am horrified at her behavior. If it was simple negligence - I'm still horrified. But I think that you all need to take a breath and consider the thousands of possibilities that might explain what happened here - and let's pray that none of you sit on her jury.

Posted by: alawyer1 | November 30, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Talk about jumping to conclusions. She could just as well be in shock. You don't know her, you don't know the facts, and you have no right to judge. It worries me a lot that people like you get to sit on juries."

Posted by: AdrianMole | November 30, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

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Ironic, that your judging someone by telling them not to judge. The fact is this is a forum for judging and stating thoughts and opinions. We all are entitled to have one. Dont like it, move to China

Posted by: JDB1 | November 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

BTW - how can anyone tell anything from a photo? Looks mean? Looks guilty? Looks heartbroken? Who the heck knows? My guess would be simple shock at seeing the child hit the pavement. She looks a bit slack jawed to me - but I also know it is impossible to judge a person's feelings from a mug shot. Now if she were holding two thumbs up and giving us a grin, that would be different. But for all you know, she may have been sobbing uncontrollably for the past two hours and then settled down a bit with a glass of water, washed her face, and walked in and had her picture taken. Stop projecting - and if you ever get called for jury duty, please ask to excuse yourselves because you can't possibly render a fair judgement. But sadly, that's what leads to so many poor judgements against often innocent people - they somehow look wrong to someone else who considers himself to have a sixth sense about people.

Posted by: alawyer1 | November 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

My! My! My! all the sympathy for this little girl, if she was an illegal immigrant, the same people with all the sympathy would be advocating that she go home. What about those little girls?

Posted by: t-one | November 30, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

people who prejudge based on news articles should avoid sitting on juries. It is important to believe in the basic constitutional principle of innocent until proven guilty. Nothing is proven in a newspaper or by speculation.

Posted by: alawyer1 | November 30, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

alawyer1 ranted:
"... if you ever get called for jury duty, please ask to excuse yourselves because you can't possibly render a fair judgement."

& & &

This is most excellent news.

By the way, you look very guilty. Must be all that lawyering you're up to.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

While I don't know the full story, I have the opinion that no punishment would be too severe for the accused. Only the devil has enough torment and hatred to do justice for this senseless action.

Posted by: Disbelief | November 30, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing to judge here, there is a vdieo camera on each entrance (perhaps multiple) police must have looked at the video, plus victims own family witnessed it.

Posted by: Jim110 | November 30, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"people who prejudge based on news articles should avoid sitting on juries. It is important to believe in the basic constitutional principle of innocent until proven guilty. Nothing is proven in a newspaper or by speculation"
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As opposed to you who doesn't understand the constitutional principle of free speech and more importantly the right to free thought. Get over yourself

Posted by: JDB1 | November 30, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

No punishment could be worse than what this woman will have rattling around her brain as long as she lives, at least in her lucid moments.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | November 30, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Ethnic stereotyping -- CHECK! Motive pigeonholing -- CHECK! Fervent wishes for justice-by-jail-cell-hanging -- CHECK! Vivid exhibitionistic defecation/desecration fantasy -- CHECK!

Methinks this Personal_Fowl fellow would make an excellent candidate for alawyer1's jury!

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

people who prejudge based on news articles should avoid sitting on juries. It is important to believe in the basic constitutional principle of innocent until proven guilty. Nothing is proven in a newspaper or by speculation.

Posted by: alawyer1 | November 30, 2010 1:32 PM |

Prejudge? With multiple family members close when she chucked her grand daughter over a railing?

Listen Matlock, there are lots and lots of incidents that can be judged by knowing only a couple facts that bystanders/witnesses, in this case, family will corroborate.

Grandma was carrying the child and unless this little girl had a vertical leap twice that of Michael Jordan, she was thrown over that wall. What more do YOU need?

Why is it that all the worst lawyers are the ones that feel the need to constantly remind others that they're lawyers?

You know, lawyers are like actors. Only a select few ever actually make anything of themselves.

The vast majority are extras.

Don't be such a doosh nozzle.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 30, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Ethnic stereotyping -- CHECK! Motive pigeonholing -- CHECK! Fervent wishes for justice-by-jail-cell-hanging -- CHECK! Vivid exhibitionistic defecation/desecration fantasy -- CHECK!

Methinks this Personal_Fowl fellow would make an excellent candidate for alawyer1's jury!

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 2:06 PM |

You can't grasp the context of the outrage of an otherwise logical thinker.

By the way, what are you fed up of? I am the product of MoCo schooling and turned out to be exceedingly happy despite looking for any trouble I could find on the mean streets of Potomac, MD.

Relax, we know all we need to know and if it were your kid, you'd drive me to that cemetery and even offer to stop off at Taco Bell on the way just to give that biotch a taste of home while I was at it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 30, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I believe an eye for an eye. This person needs to die as well. I can not even refer to this person as a grandmother, that she is NOT!! Not at all happy with this whole issue. There is no need to ponder whether or not this person did this by accident or whatever the case maybe. She shows no emotion whatsoever and if that were me and it happened to one of my grandkids I would not be in jail right now. They would be treating me in a hospital because of shock and devastation!!

Posted by: dcredskinfan | November 30, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes with toddlers, there is a tendancy to try to hoist them up by one arm. I'm wondering, as there is no other rational explanation at the moment, if the grandmother tried this and was simply too close the bridge???? Definitely disturbing.

Posted by: george_w_bush0 | November 30, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Right now we should be focusing our attention on the living. The little girls parents in what they must be going through. I know this has got to be very hard on them. The little girl is resting with angels in heaven. The parents are here living in shock and hell. The daughters baby is dead and her mother has been arrested. I can't even comprehend what she must be going through. Please just take a moment and pray for her health and well being.

Posted by: reggie7 | November 30, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I see a lot of pre-judging here, based on totally skimpy facts and a mug shot photo. The fact of the matter is that a child is dead due to her grandmother, and the culprit is in custody and charged with murder. I certainly approve of the charges: We cannot let someone who has done an act like this simply walk away from it. Even so, it is way too early to not only lock her up but also throw away the keys.

I recently served on a jury for a murder trial where most of us found reasonable doubt that the crime rose to the status of being a murder. However, we spent an extra day in deliberations because one of us was really wanted a murder conviction. Because of that, I am totally in agreement with those who do not want to hot-heads here on a jury.

This country has high standards for justice. We want people who are guilty of serious crimes to be punished appropriately, but we also demand that the system be sure of what it is doing before any such punishment is administered. That is part of what makes this country great.

So let's please wait for the full facts to come out. The accused deserves no less. The family deserves no less. In fact, we all deserve no less.

Posted by: ems57fcva | November 30, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"...mean streets of Potomac..."
Nowadays Potomac's streets are mildly "mean" from the Type A #$@%s mowing you down in their luxury SUVs. Don't know how it was during the Coolidge administration or whatever.

"...exceedingly happy..."
No surprise there; west county people are generally pretty happy campers.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

A 50 year old grandmother is the first of many things wrong here.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | November 30, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Ceertainly lacks a motive.

Posted by: blasmaic | November 30, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

can we get rid of the "Grandmom" affectation in the title. "Grandmother" is accurate and does not convey any affection, positive or negative.

Posted by: sbradley2007 | November 30, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If it was an accident like so many people are trying to say to give this woman the benefit of the doubt, then WHY DOES SHE NOT LOOK UPSET in her mugshot???? I am a grandmother of two little girls. If one of my granddaughters fell six stories to the ground whether I was responsible or not, accident or NOT, I would be INCONSOLABLE!!! She looks like she could not care less. She has already been charged with MURDER. That in itself has ruled out this being an accident or they would have charged her with manslaughter. This is one woman who is PURE EVIL.

Posted by: ValH | November 30, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Enlighten me johnfchick1. What's wrong with a 50 year old grandmother. Not every grandma looks like Aunt Bea.

Posted by: cymp65 | November 30, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

At Personal_Fowl, the name fits perfectly. Quite gamey and stinks to high hell.

Posted by: cymp65 | November 30, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

THIS WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT. Through unlucky coincidence, I crossed the walkway just minutes after this tragedy happened. At first I saw everyone looking down under the bridge, people huddled around on the ground floor, and heard a woman down there screaming. I asked the woman next to me what had happened. The woman was Dela Rosa. She flat-out told me "I threw the baby. I threw her down there. I lost my mind." She was completely flat when she said this, without any sign of remorse. She is a cold-hearted, soulless monster.

It was at least nice to see her get handcuffed by the police. I do not believe that they had any trouble getting a confession out of her.

Posted by: mpowell2 | November 30, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

As unfortunate as this accident is I also don't see a motive so far. Her family was standing right by her when the accident happened. Eye witnesses claim that the daughter was not thrown but fell. I think we should demand some video evidence to see what really happened. It appears that the prosecutor in this case Ian M. Rodway has a long history of corruption and scandal for his own personal benefit. Something just doesn't seem right. Neighbors claim that she was a loving grandmother who constantly looked after the beautiful young girl. I think this was just a very unfortunate accident for that family. Until evidence is provided to prove otherwise I don't think we should jump to conclusions like the Fairfax Police have in this case. It sounds to me like the police have something to gain from claiming this to be a murder. I personally have seen how dangerous that ledge at Tyson's can be and have seen parents almost lose control of their kids when showing them the ledge. Tyson's should post a warning not to hoist kids up there or put a higher barrier it is really way too low as it is.

Posted by: StanleyJobson | November 30, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

As unfortunate as this accident is I also don't see a motive so far. Her family was standing right by her when the accident happened. Eye witnesses claim that the daughter was not thrown but fell. I think we should demand some video evidence to see what really happened. I did an Internet search on Ian Rodway the prosecutor and some sites are accusing him of corruption and scandal for his own personal benefit. Something just doesn't seem right. Neighbors claim that she was a loving grandmother who constantly looked after the beautiful young girl. I think this was just a very unfortunate accident for that family. Until evidence is provided to prove otherwise I don't think we should jump to conclusions like the Fairfax Police have in this case. It sounds to me like the police may have something to gain from claiming this to be a murder. I personally have seen how dangerous that ledge at Tyson's can be and have seen parents almost lose control of their kids when showing them the ledge. Tyson's should post a warning not to hoist kids up there or put a higher barrier it is really way too low as it is.

Posted by: StanleyJobson | November 30, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Some of these comments could have been penned by the humorist Ambrose Bierce, author of The Devil's Dictionary: "First we'll try the varmint," cried the fair and impartial judge, "and then we'll hang him!"

Posted by: PaulinMaryland | November 30, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I truly believe this Grand Mother loved her toddler and accidents DO & will continue to happen. She could have hoisted the child up and standing too close to the edge, lost grip of the child and over she went. ACCIDENTS DO HAPPEN! In my eyes she is innocent until the courts decide otherwise. Then the healing can begin. I too believe that SATAN had a hand in this one. I hope this grandmother cannot see all these horrible things written about her. To me the grandmother looks to be in shock. Have mercy and give the woman the benefit of doubt. Babies fall from high places everyday and die. A fall from a high chair can kill a child. I think the woman in that picture is is disbelief, there is no emotion because she thinks everything is okay. Pray for her, stop stoning her.

Posted by: ksaugustsson | November 30, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The Jewish Bible foresaw this danger: "When you build a new house, you shall make a parapet for your roof, so that you do not bring bloodguilt on your house if anyone should fall from it” (Deut. 22:8). According to the Talmud, the regulation height for such railings is 10 handbreadths (about 100 cm--1 meter or 39 inches).

Posted by: PaulinMaryland | November 30, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Despite the arguments offering alternative theories to the felony charges, I can't believe the police would charge someone with a felony if no evidence existed to support a determination of probable cause, i.e., the reasonable belief that someone has committed a crime.

If there was insufficient evidence then all she needs is a habeas corpus hearing.

Posted by: atkissonjim | November 30, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

As usual, when there is a murder in Fairfax County (Montgomery also) - or caused by one from there, national news worthy story, not just a local one. VA Tech, UVA, man killed over a speedbump, this one. Crazy.

Posted by: morrisday1 | November 30, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

if this grandma really did throw this toddler over the walkway why didn't the other nearby adults stop her?! if she is guilty as hell, tie her to the dad who threw his toddler son off a bridge this year & throw them both off alcatraz island ( if the deep water doesn't kill them those sharks will !!! )

Posted by: gailschumacher | November 30, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

if this grandma really did throw this toddler over the walkway why didn't the other nearby adults stop her?! if she is guilty as hell, tie her to the dad who threw his toddler son off a bridge this year & throw them both off alcatraz island ( if the deep water doesn't kill them those sharks will !!! )

Posted by: gailschumacher | November 30, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

@mpowell2 & other bloggers,
I admit all comments I have made are just my own personal opinion and she could very well be guilty. It all just seems so strange though and unimaginable. I was not there and did not witness any of this horrific event. Therefore, everything I stated is just opinion. I guess we will just have to wait until the trial to see the outcome. Either way it is still really very very unfortunate.

Posted by: StanleyJobson | November 30, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a case of weapons-grade menopause...

Posted by: ChrisRestonVA | November 30, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Despite the arguments offering alternative theories to the felony charges, I can't believe the police would charge someone with a felony if no evidence existed to support a determination of probable cause, i.e., the reasonable belief that someone has committed a crime.

If there was insufficient evidence then all she needs is a habeas corpus hearing.

Posted by: atkissonjim
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In regards to the police not charging someone unless there is probabl cause....you're kidding right? Wasn't it just a few months ago that a group of men police said beat a Somali man to death in DC was charged with murder, then assualt, and then had the charges dropped? I'm not saying something similar will happen in this case I'm just saying your all encompassing trust in the police is a little naive.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | November 30, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

This is not the whole story. Something's missing. I can imagine anyone who saw that is damaged for life. RIP, Angelyn.

Posted by: forgetthis | November 30, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

""A grandmother was charged with murder Tuesday after she threw her 2 1/2-year-old granddaughter off a fifth-floor walkway..."

Shouldn't the sentence read, "ALLEGEDLY threw"? What ever happened to the notion that you are innocent until proven guilty?

Posted by: lwilliamson1 | November 30, 2010 12:37 PM"

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The article gives the impression that other relatives were there when it happened even though I realize her case will still have to go through the legal process.

My question to Grandma is ... why? What could this little 2-1/2 year old baby have done that would provoke you to do her any harm?

Posted by: gitouttahere | November 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

##%$%^^ may have had insurance on that poor baby, or the child spoke to someone about being touched in the bad place. Kids are much smarter than we sometimes give them credit for.

Posted by: msdooby1 | November 30, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If you think the comments are harsh now. Wait till the good posters of the WOPO find out she is an illegal(just guessing like everyone else)

Posted by: msdooby1 | November 30, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

wash post writer/editor:

"Russell Jackson, who lives next door to Dela Rosa, said Angelyn's mother would drop her off at Dela Rosa's house three to four times a week for babysitting."

...given the current situation, you might consider using "leave her" instead of "drop her off" !!!!

Posted by: getanewnumber10 | November 30, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

This lady is freaky. She's like the Ugly Betty actor who chopped up his mother last week; she probably heard God telling her to kill the kid like he heard God telling him to kill his mother. Why do these people who have everything act so freaking strange? Has to be religion/mental illness..

Posted by: mia1972 | November 30, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

There is no mention of how her family reacted. Their reaction would be very telling. Also, if there is a language barrier, we should be careful about interpreting her excited utterances.

I confess, I don't want to believe that she is guilty. I hope there is another explanation.

Posted by: Ksdoggie | November 30, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I have not read all the comments but there was one alleged witness who said Rosa stated she was "crazy". Otherwise, we will all have our opinion about this innocent child. Either those who witnessed this are too tramatized to read and respond to this article or have not read the article. Perhaps someone might come forward during the nightly news. There is no way only one person saw this happen. The author of this article could have done some investigative work during the day as it's hard to believe on one person saw this happen.

Posted by: ejones2 | November 30, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone ever read these articles? And I quote: Asked whether the death could have been accidental, Fairfax County Police spokeswoman Officer Tawny Wright said "our detectives looked at that and determined the act was intentional."

So the police have credible evidence this was NOT an accident. I don't know what made this woman allegedly kill her grandchild, but I do know none of you twits could be on the jury. And may God comfort this family.

Posted by: GreybirdK1 | November 30, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Stereotyping saves time:

She's either a heartbroken grandmother whose child wiggled from her grip and tossed herself over a walkway OR

A heartbroken grandmother with a Mental Illness who will receive a light sentence OR

Another illegal alien whose criminal nature finally showed through.

Posted by: woof3 | November 30, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I think this woman did it because she was p.o.'d at the child's mother or father. She lost it.

Posted by: woof3 | November 30, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The mother ran down to the ground floor after the fall. She was screaming, crying, and saying that her mother was crazy. Several men had to restrain her from reaching the child.

Posted by: mpowell2 | November 30, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Uh, she's not illegal. She is Filipino. Very rare to have illegal Filipinos in the U.S. I am Filipino, and my mother knows this lady's sister. Illegals don't live in nice big new homes in Fairfax and send their kids to expensive private school, esp when Fairfax County has one of the best public school systems in the country.

Posted by: mia1972 | November 30, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

It is only a matter of time before Tysons Mall's owners are sued for creating an "unsafe" environment where people can be thrown off walkways.

Posted by: postreader58 | November 30, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Clearly this a tragic event. Accidental or intentional is the real question... and apparently the police have some indication that it was not accidental.

The comments on whether the person was an undocumented person just reflect the anti-immigrant mind set of some people. That is also tragic, since immigrants built this country, and immigrants have continued to contribute to this country's greatness throughout our history.

I am sure additional details on this horrific story will come out in the near future. Meanwhile, I still will pray for the family.

Posted by: 189AROD | November 30, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, all the judges and juries out there. Read the 2 comments of mpowell2 (at 3:10 & 5:22) who was an eye witness. She not only talked to Dela Rosa immediately after who said she did it, but the hysterical mother of the child screamed that her mother was crazy. Coupled with the fact that she has been arrested for murder, I think everyone can cease from making further judgments and hypotheses. BTW, what has her legal status got to do with anything here and who says they have a "criminal nature?!?!" Scary comments from ignorant and prejudice people. I'm sorry for the family and feel for the poor witness that had to see the aftermath of this tragedy.

Posted by: carolk1 | November 30, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The fact that I knew the family in question although not as close friends makes this something I find hard to accept. That baby didn't deserve that. She shouldn't have done that. I can't believe someone I would call my Auntie would ever do something like this. However, I suppose justice must be served one way or another. It just hurts to much to know that someone I've met and hugged is capable of this. That a life that one would hope didn't have to meet such an end would end in such a horrid manner. This person used to pick up my brother to go to Catholic School on some days. I suppose I've got to look out for my family even more, because I will definitely not allow this to happen if I am capable of stopping it. Whatever unfortunate circumstances that would have triggered this I know that. Kat and her daughter didn't deserve this, Kat... I know you don't know me well and we've only met for a brief hello or two but know I've got you.
I'm done. This is too much.
Now, how the hell am I going to sleep tonight?

Posted by: Draquoir | November 30, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

It is only a matter of time before Tysons Mall's owners are sued for creating an "unsafe" environment where people can be thrown off walkways. Posted by: postreader58
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What? So if people choose to jump off a bridge, for example, it's the folks that built that bridge that are responsible? You're got to be kidding.

Posted by: carolk1 | November 30, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

She seems to have quite an arm. Maybe after a few years in prison she can play in the NFL.

Posted by: dmm1 | November 30, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

dmm1: Is this a time to show off your corny humor? This isn't a joke nor a laughing matter, so keep your unfeeling comments to yourself. I guarantee no one's impressed.

Posted by: carolk1 | November 30, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Draquoir, contact the family directly and offer them condolences/help. (It may also help you feel a little better.)

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Father in heaven knows how evil this world is, and if we don't stayed prayed up and asking God for forgiveness of our sins on a daily basis we leave ourselves to be victims of speakable deeds. What could drive a supposiblly loving grandmother to do such a horrendous crime. It's allowing evil,selfelf,thoughts to dictate your sub-conscience,As always we don;t know all the facts, but I agree with a previous comment that from her photo I don't see remorse, regrett, or loss I see bitterness and hatred. My God have mercy on your soul.

Posted by: patcampbell3 | November 30, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

it called snapping, and her impulse told her to do it. Its like walking across the Golden Gate Bridge and for some reason you jump.

Posted by: slivin500 | November 30, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Ironic, that your judging someone by telling them not to judge. The fact is this is a forum for judging and stating thoughts and opinions. We all are entitled to have one. Dont like it, move to China

Posted by: JDB1 | November 30, 2010

Yes, you are "entitled" to have an opinion, without knowing any of the relevant facts. You are "entitled" to be an idiot, and apparently you enjoy exercising that privilege. But I don't see why I should move to China as a result. Why don't you? That should help slow down the Chinese juggernaut.

Posted by: AdrianMole | November 30, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Rest in peace, Angelyn Ogdoc. My condolences to your family on their loss.

Posted by: JoStalin | November 30, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Rest in peace, Angelyn Ogdoc. My condolences to your family on their loss.

Posted by: JoStalin | November 30, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"Talk about jumping to conclusions. She could just as well be in shock. You don't know her, you don't know the facts, and you have no right to judge. It worries me a lot that people like you get to sit on juries."
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The fact that grandma threw the poor child over the ledge is not in contention. She did it. She wouldn't be charged with a crime unless the family who was with her didn't corroborated the events.

The only real reason is why did she callously murder her grandchild? If I were on the jury. I would vote to convict. I don't need to hear any defense arguments.

Posted by: jab00 | November 30, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts."

Personally, I'd like some more facts before reaching any conclusions. What has been presented seems a little light on facts and heavy on conjecture. What we do know is that a 2.5 year old toddler fell ~ 50 feet from a pedestrian walkway at Tyson's Corner shopping mall. She later died. Her grandmother is somehow involved. That's it. All else is hearsay and contrivance.

As they say, that's why we play the games -- if we already knew all the answers, then why bother with a justice system.

Posted by: rgv1129 | November 30, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

My condolences go out to that poor mother, father and other family members. I don't care what prompted grandma to do it - she is in hell and will never get out - I only hope that her own daughter can get the help she will need to recover from this horrendous incident.

Posted by: Disgusted10 | November 30, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I hope there is some strange yet innocent explanation, but often the logical reason for some atrocity is much more common. MONEY. Wait and see. Perhaps they didn't know there were under surveillance cameras in the lot. Perhaps their lifestyle was eroding and under threat. Perhaps there was a large life insurance policy. This is a very common reason for crime. Money.

Posted by: AngelaNMH | December 1, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

A comment for alawyer1. I don't want to argue this particular event here. What I want to say is this: I'm really sick and tired of all those questionable reasons people use in court (every day) to explain away horrific crimes.

Posted by: AngelaNMH | December 1, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Many have said it, but not everyone is listening. There is no question that Dela Rosa did this, family and film say it was intentional and unexpected, therefore the mother and father had no time to stop her. We don't know why, but I would hope that even if she is mentally ill, all of you would agree she is a menace to society and should never, ever be free to roam. Which means WE get to pay to house her. Furthermore, I'm not sure her son or daughter would EVER be able to forgive such a crime. Filipina women as I know them are in general very religious, but there is no way this is forgiveable. And GOD would not tell anyone to kill a child. So take this insanity defense if you want, but lock her up forever and ever, AMEN.

Posted by: LoCo3 | December 3, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

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