Grand jury begins review of Arenas gun case

Mike Semel

Update, 5:15 p.m.:

Prosecutors began presenting evidence to the grand jury in Arenas's case Tuesday.

Sources said it would be an ongoing process, meaning they would present evidence as they receive it.

Original Post:
Two law enforcement sources said Tuesday morning that prosecutors planned on presenting evidence to a Superior Court grand jury in the Gilbert Arenas gun case as soon as today.

The case would go to the existing panel. The Examiner reported this morning that a grand jury had been convened for the case and it was "mulling" bringing gun charges against the Washington Wizards guard.

If the grand jury decides to charge Arenas, the indictment could come later this week. The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is ongoing, cautioned that they are still investigating. If they uncover more evidence, they would present that to the panel and that could delay charges, the sources said.

The Post reported today that on the team flight home from Phoenix on Dec. 19, Arenas and teammate Javaris Crittenton got into a heated argument over a card game. Crittenton, who was annoyed about losing money in the game, threatened to shoot Arenas in his surgically repaired left knee.

When the players arrived for practice two days later, Arenas placed at least three unloaded guns on a chair near Crittenton's locker room stall with a note that read, "Pick one." Although Arenas was attempting to be funny, Crittenton became upset, angrily tossed the guns to floor and flung one across the room, claiming that he had his own gun, some players said.

Arenas could face charges of carrying a handgun without a license, a felony, that carries a maximum five years in jail. Since he told investigators he had four guns, he could face five years for each of the guns.

He also could be charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, a misdemeanor that carries a maximum 12 months. The grand jury also could decide to "no bill," or not bring any charges at all.


-- Keith L. Alexander

By Mike Semel  |  January 5, 2010; 5:15 PM ET
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I think he should be charged, but I don't think jail time is necessary in any way. There are far worse criminals who don't get jail time in the District. I think a conviction and the inability to carry a firearm at all is an appropriate punishment!

Posted by: happydad3 | January 5, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Put him in jail and throw away the key. Parole if he decides that "joking" about guns is dangerous in and of itself.

Posted by: dc1020008 | January 5, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I bet because he is a "celebrity" he will be no billed. Another way of flaunting the existing gun laws that we "lawful" gun owners obey by members of elite groups. It is obvious that he doesn't consider the gun laws applying to him otherwise he would have all the correct paper work, training, and common sense to own a gun. The real solution, make him pay for breaking the law. As a licensed gun owner I support the gun laws and I expect them enforced, no matter who you are or where you are. With gun ownership comes responsibility.

Posted by: staterighter | January 5, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Ignorance is no reason for not being charged with a crime. That said, I think the fact that he did have the guns registered in VA may result in him only being charged with an unregistered firearm which would be a misdemeanor. It all depends on whether the grand jury what's to make an example of him because of his status.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 5, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Arenas will now grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child.

Posted by: truth1 | January 5, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Put him in jail and throw away the key. Parole if he decides that "joking" about guns is dangerous in and of itself.

Posted by: dc1020008 | January 5, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

You're an idiot. Why don't you volunteer to pay the costs for incarcerating a man that doesn't appear to pose a threat to society. Save the cell and costs for violent offenders that really deserve to be behind bars.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | January 5, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

think he should be charged, but I don't think jail time is necessary in any way. There are far worse criminals who don't get jail time in the District. I think a conviction and the inability to carry a firearm at all is an appropriate punishment!
Posted by: happydad3

How about all criminals being prosecuted and given jail time? Your viewpoint is too soft on people who break the law and that is part of the overall problem with crime.

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Arenas did not get the Memo on the team's name change... just sayin...

Posted by: joeyndan | January 5, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

he should NEVER be prosecuted for owning a gun, especially in dc where rime is out of control and thugs rule many streets

when did he carry the gun???

now the threat should be prosecuted.

Posted by: ProCounsel | January 5, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Amen, joeyndan. Two words: Washington Bullets. And before that, sheesh, they were the Baltimore Bullets... it's bad enough that the Wizard looks like a Klansman. What a stupid change.

Posted by: spacehog | January 5, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't see much value in sending him to the can. Community service sounds about right. As far as the team and the league is concerned, he has a code of conduct to which he hasn't abided and a suspension is clearly going to happen. If I was the Wizards, I'd be looking to re-negotiate Arenas' contract drastically downwards. He's vastly overpaid, untradeable at what he makes. They have a powerful bargaining chip in that they could press to void the deal entirely

Posted by: randysbailin | January 5, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The grand jury, the saying goes, would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecution insisted. The question is not whether Arenas will be indicted (he will), but why the prosecutor feels he needs additional cover. Two possibilities: he's worried about public sympathy for Arenas, or (more likely) he's not sure his case is strong enough and wants the added support of a supposedly 'independent body' that he can utterly control.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

If I take a gun into my workplace, or even have it locked in the trunk of my car, unassembled, locked away from the ammo, threaten someone or not, I am most assuredly going to be fired. Secondly, the cops are going to be called, I am going to be arrested, and more than likely prosecuted. The fact that we are arguing whether or not he will get jail time is troubling to say the last. DC is a "gun free" zone (allegedly). That means that only people who are knowingly breaking the law or have a permit are allowed to have guns in DC. He should be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law, as this is not his first run in with guns and the law. his celebrity should not shield him from the law. He is not a responsible gun owner, if he was, he would have realized a $2.00 trigger guard renders gun useless.

Posted by: jay441 | January 5, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of paying for trials based on others moral values. Guns are NOT ILLEGAL. Being stup1d is NOT ILLEGAL.

Posted by: askgees | January 5, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

If I brought a gun to my place of work I'd be fired. If I joked around with the guns at my workplace with a coworker I'd be arrested. The difference between this and Plaxico's case is one bullet and a dash of luck.
Arenas has been my favorite Sea Dog/Stallion/Express/Dragon of the ex-Bullets era, but time for him to go.
Oh, and change the name to the DC Jam, traffic jokes aside.

Posted by: minorthread | January 5, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

It would have been far better for Arenas not to have made a statement at all.I think he would have gotten better advice at the barbershop! "Nothing hurts a duck but his bill" comes to mind.

Posted by: NJJACK | January 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of paying for trials based on others moral values. Guns are NOT ILLEGAL. Being stup1d is NOT ILLEGAL.

Posted by: askgees | January 5, 2010 1:27 PM

However, breaking the law is illegal. And he broke the law by having the guns in DC at the VC

Posted by: sect104 | January 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

sorry,race card alert:
tho arenas did break nba rules, there seems to be different rules/attitudes toward black male ownership of firearms and white male ownership of firearms.

Posted by: intellectuallyindependent | January 5, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Truth1 nailed it. While the consequence(s) in the end might seem unfair, this is all because a guy who got handed the keys to the kingdom basically refused to grow the f up. And with guns no less.

I think I can see now why the Wiz have been saying nothing as well. Might as well hold their powder until law enforcement is done. Given the path the law is on, for all those Wiz execs who are tired of Gil .. the law is about to do their dirty work for them.

Plus when you've got John Thompson AND Al Sharpton on your butt .. you know you've got trouble.

Good luck Gil .. you're gonna need it.

Posted by: tslats | January 5, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

They should charge Arenas with inability to carry a team.

Posted by: bog1 | January 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"If I take a gun into my workplace, or even have it locked in the trunk of my car, unassembled, locked away from the ammo, threaten someone or not, I am most assuredly going to be fired. Secondly, the cops are going to be called, I am going to be arrested, and more than likely prosecuted. The fact that we are arguing whether or not he will get jail time is troubling to say the last. DC is a "gun free" zone (allegedly). That means that only people who are knowingly breaking the law or have a permit are allowed to have guns in DC. He should be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law, as this is not his first run in with guns and the law. his celebrity should not shield him from the law. He is not a responsible gun owner, if he was, he would have realized a $2.00 trigger guard renders gun useless. Posted by: jay441"

Thanks for posting such a simple, straightforward view of the situation. But some questions for you:

1) at your workplace, do you currently work under a negotiated multiyear contract for exclusive use of your professional services?

2) in addition to that contract, are you and your employer subject to a collective bargaining agreement with your professional association?

3) have you retained high quality legal representation to defend you in court?

Just curious. The above makes things less simple and straightforward...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

taking a case to the grand jury

is a politcally correct way to get charges dropped

and thats fine

no one shuld be prosecuted for owing a gun for self defense ESPECIALLY in dc where crime is rampant and gangs are out of control..............

Posted by: ProCounsel | January 5, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

This is beyond stupid. This is needlessly trying to lock up someone who is not a threat to society.

Posted by: forgetthis | January 5, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Every time I turn around, there is a new version of the story being circulated. If this version is at all true, then it may explain the other stories, but I will wait and see. At the least Arenas deserves to spend at least a few days in jail just to make the point that you DO NOT joke around with guns. Furthermore, if the version in which Arenas and Crittenton pointed guns at each other is true, then both are guilty of assult with a dangerous weapon, and should be punished accordingly! Once again, you don't joke around with guns.

Posted by: ems57fcva | January 5, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

This is beyond stupid. This is needlessly trying to lock up someone who is not a threat to society.

Posted by: forgetthis | January 5, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"Being stup1d is NOT ILLEGAL.Posted by: askgees"

So we're all legally protected, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Critt should have never told his "friend", this should have NEVER been made public!!!

Posted by: Gooddad | January 5, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, he was just joking around! He's the funniest NBA player since Jayson Williams. Oh, his gun joke didn't turn out to be so funny...

Posted by: GOPDAD | January 5, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry that some people disagree with the law, but the law is the law, and he should be charged. If you disagree with the law, get it changed, don't violate it and expect to get away with it.

He probably thought that his celeb status would get him a special break that an ordinary gang member would not be entitled to. He should get a harsh sentence as an example if that is true.

Posted by: thetan | January 5, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, he was just joking around! He's the funniest NBA player since Jayson Williams. Oh, his gun joke didn't turn out to be so funny...

Posted by: GOPDAD | January 5, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of the outcome of grand jury proceedings, team and league need to suspend this pathetic excuse for a clown for the remainder of the season. I don't know how anyone can justify bringing guns into the locker room or brandishing them at teammates. Team should also release this joker from the remainder of his contract citing moral turbulence clause.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 5, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If you're extremely wealthy like Arenas, then you should get a ridiculous fine for a crime like this. I mean like $2 million (non deductable) to a charity or something like that. He's non violent, I dare to even consider him a criminal (up to a jury), so he does society no good in jail. Actually he cost us more. Fine his butt and the league needs to toss him as well.

Posted by: doesntmatter | January 5, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I thought after the last set of Wizards idiots who got caught with guns, etc., especially at parties, a.k.a. Juwan Howard & Crew, the team was done with that kind of nonsense. I see it's more of the same old, same old. I thought Arenas had more sense than this, but then again, this is what happens when a person fails to mature.

Posted by: sjcsando | January 5, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

There's one word that I haven't seen applied to this case: sad. How many kids out there idolize Gilbert and what do they think when they see him taking gun ownership so lightly, like he's playing with toys? In a city where gun violence is a brutal everyday fact of life, this behavior is just plain insulting to the people of Washington who don't go around shooting other people or threatening to shoot them, which is the vast majority of them. He should be acting like the role model that he is, like it or not. A good punishment would be for him to have to go to area schools and admit to the kids that he acted like a complete idiot. A few tears would help. And Crittenton should join him.

Posted by: curtb | January 5, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

All points may be valid, but this is point is the one that started it all. Gambling. Gilbert has been doing this for some time, if you look up on u-tube he use to take bets in practice with players who have nothing to do with there money, and that is there business but when it gets to the point where guns are being played with, then you have taken it to another level. We all know the saying its all fun and game until someone gets hurts. Its very sad that these grown men are acting likes kids, but due to the fact that people are dying on the streets everyday with guns in the hands of imature people leads me to believe that even NBA palyers need to grow up with all the money they make. Just be glad that the other young man didn't have a gun in his locker and took what Gilbert this as a threat and shot him right threre. Then you would have a Homiside on your hand all in the Name of Gambling.

Posted by: kimbell1966 | January 5, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

If Arenas had been responsible and carried his weapons unloaded in a locked briefcase, locked them in a locker, kept his mouth shut and not pulled the guns out, there really wouldn't have been a crime IMHO.

But Boys will be boys.

If it weren't for basketball, there sure would be a lot of tall garbage collectors.

Posted by: charlietuna6661 | January 5, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

arrest murder and swallow the key.

smsokul adem

Posted by: cvsadem | January 5, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"He probably thought that his celeb status would get him a special break..."

Plaxico II!

Posted by: rogied25 | January 5, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"
The law is the law."

Well this law is under review now by the Supreme Court.

They should be careful for Mr. Arenas' rights.

Posted by: gary4books | January 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Does the grand jury realize---it was just a joke!!! Now let him go, or the NBA players union will not be happy. Jesse Jackson will not stand for any punishment of players of color.

Posted by: Socialistic | January 5, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If this was the average citizens they would be looking at jail time. There should be NO, NO exception because one is a celebrity and immature.

We live in a great Nation that is governed by laws WE ALL must obey.

PLEASE lock this man up. I don’t care if he is NOT a criminal, he broke the law , bottom line.

NBA please set the BAR HIGH and make an example out of Gilbert , void his contract and let him go on his way.

My nephew is a DC police officer and I ask that Officer Lainer lock Gilbert up.

People died everyday from guns and they don’t get a 2nd chance to ask for their life; why should this immature fool be given a 2nd chance to jokingly put someone else’s life at risk.

If you put Gilbert in jail and or void his contract , I will be a die hard Wizards Fan for LIFE.

Posted by: K2007 | January 5, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If he was white, they'd lock him up tomorrow.

Posted by: mcoghlan | January 5, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert apologized for what took place. However, when one is dead and gone from joking around with gun(s) what good is an APOLOGIZE.

LOCK HIM UP.

Posted by: K2007 | January 5, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I got news for you, this will not be a "no bill". Metropolitan cites have extremely strong gun laws. DC is no exception, one of the toughest in the country. Bring a gun into DC from Maryland or Va and you do 5 years no questions asked. Arenas is going down, no doubt about it. He will do time, its just a matter of how much. Just remember "PLAXICO BURRES", the cops don't care if you are a celeb or not when it comes to gun laws, especially in DC

Posted by: shark3337 | January 5, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse


Im black and I want Rev Sharpton , Jesse Jackson and other civil right leaders to call for some jail time.

If this was a WHITE guy, they would be on every news station in HISTORY..

Posted by: K2007 | January 5, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he can share a cell with Plaxico...

Posted by: ozpunk | January 5, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Al Sharpton urges NBA commish David Stern, black leaders to be strict with Gilbert Arenas




WASHINGTON - Calling out black leadership groups, the NBA, and even White House security, the Rev. Al Sharpton jumped into the Gilbert Arenas circus Monday, injecting the topic of race into the conversation on the same day the Wizards guard spoke with federal prosecutors.
The civil rights activist urged NBA commissioner David Stern to come down hard on Arenas, who admitted to stockpiling unloaded weapons in his locker last month. Arenas said Monday that removing the weapons from his locker was a "misguided effort to play a joke on a teammate." Sharpton, who spoke with Stern by phone Monday and hopes to meet with him later this week, was not in a laughing mood.
"The NBA needs to stand up and send a strong message by dealing with this situation," Sharpton told the Daily News. He also chided black leadership groups for not speaking out about the "culture of violence being perpetuated in professional sports." Sharpton cited former Giant Plaxico Burress as an example of professional athletes run amok.
The NBA Players Association has not heard from the league on when Stern will levy fines or suspensions.
The head of the union, Billy Hunter, was in Sacramento holding a meeting with Kings players as part of his eight-team trip out West. The union had no reps at Arenas' meeting with the police yesterday.
Arenas is in apparent violation of the league's collective bargaining agreement for bringing firearms to the locker room and could be subject to a $50,000 fine and a possible suspension.
Sharpton believes the reaction over reports that Arenas allegedly drew a gun on teammate Javaris Crittenton on Dec. 21 has been tempered because the players involved are black.
"If it had been a white player pointing a gun at a black player, there would have been much more of an uproar," he said. "It's almost as if people are saying, 'Well, we don't expect anything better from our black athletes.'"
Sharpton also scolded White House security in an attempt at humor.
"This all happened in the Verizon Center?" Sharpton said. "This is the same place where the Obamas watched a Wizards game (on Feb. 27, 2009). You telling me that he had guns in the locker room when Obama went to the game?"
With his team flying to Philadelphia yesterday without him, Arenas met with federal prosecutors and detectives of the Metro police at the United States Attorney's office. He eluded reporters after his appointment, but he did release a statement through his attorney, Kenneth L. Wainstein, a former assistant U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia. Arenas is expected to play tonight against the Sixers, though Crittenton did not make the trip because of a foot injury. Crittenton was not interviewed by authorities yesterday.

Posted by: K2007 | January 5, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Though the guns in question were unloaded, there was no reason to bring them in the first place. A locker room of a professional sports team is no place for a firearm, loading or not. And to happydad3 and all the people saying that he should just "the inability to carry a firearm at all is an appropriate", I have one thing to say to you. The guns were not registered and probably bought illegally in the first place. He did not have a license so restricting him from a license would not restrict him from firearms. Overall stupid thing to do, especially when you're being payed and you have it better then so many people today.

Posted by: sportsgeek333 | January 5, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

IF HE IS NOT FOUND GUILTY AND GIVEN JAIL TIME..WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE WOULD THAT SEND TO
THE REST OF THE AREA..YEA IT IS ILLEGAL TO BRING GUNS INTO TOWN..BUT WE`LL JUST GIVE YOU A SLAP ON THE WRIST. THE BEHAVIOR COULD HAVE
LED TO SOMETHING MORE SINISTER OVER TIME.

WHAT HAPPENED TO GIL`S STORY THAT HE BROUGHT HIS GUNS TO THE V CENTER TO KEEP THEM AWAY FROM HIS KIDS? WHAT A LOAD OF B.S. THAT WAS! HE IS RICH..BUY A LOCK BOX FOR HIS GUNS..SIMPLE!

HE SHOULD KNOW THE LAW..MOST EVERYONE ELSE SEEMS TO..IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE..SO THE COURTS ALWAYS SAY. LET`S SEE IF GIL IS STILL JOKING AFTER DOING SOME TIME.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | January 5, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Arenas should be charged with an unlicensed/unregistered firearms violation. I don't think the grand jury will have sufficient evidence for an assault charge or anything like that. I'm sick of these celebrity millionaire criminals getting off lightly. It's a short jump from carrying a unloaded unregistered firearm, to accidentally shooting yourself (NY Giants player) or someone else. Plus Gilbert has clearly lied - one minute it's "I brought the guns to work to keep them away from my young kids" - the next minute it's "This was a misguided attempt at humor." Make an example of him; a cautionary tale to our youth, especially young black males who aspire to nothing more than putting a ball thru a hoop - who treat these athletes like Gods when they are so very very far from even being model citizens! Also, I'm a Wizards season ticket holder - I'm sick of Gilbert's shenanigans both ON AND OFF THE COURT!!!

Posted by: shelley514 | January 5, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of so many basketball players feeling that they are "too big to fail," that laws don't apply to them. I belive in gun ownership and think that guys like Arenas give all gun owners a bad name. He should pay someting other than money for this -- even if it's just a few days in the pokey.

I mean -- the Wizzards can't even win enough games to afford a prima donna packing heat.

Posted by: DOps | January 5, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

If the Wizards were to void Arenas' contract, which I don't believe will happen, I assume that would make him a free agent. Free agent or not, I can see him winding up with the Knicks or Miami. He'd be a great fit in Miami with Michael Beasley, another incredibly immature "star."

Posted by: wp318676 | January 5, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Wiz might have an out to that albatross contract of his.

Posted by: 0460 | January 5, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

GET RID OF ALL NIGGAARS IN SPORTS!!!!!

VICIOUS ANIMALS AND SCUM!!!!!

Posted by: dumniggar | January 5, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

They didn't charge an aide to Senator Jim Webb when he tried to carry a loaded 9mm semiautomatic with 45 bullets into a federal building.

Posted by: blasmaic | January 5, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Only in America do pro athletes carry guns.

Posted by: uncivil | January 5, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Didn't DC's gun law get overturned by the SC last year?

Posted by: rjma1 | January 5, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I think that Mr. Arenas is starting to realize how serious this "act of lunacy" really is. I'll bet he's not "laughing" or being a "goof-ball" now. I suggest that he receive the same punishment as I would (see Plaxico Burress) in this situation.

Also, the Wizards should void the remainder of his contract as well. That would be a shame. He would stand to leave close to $100 million dollars on the table for "playing" around. He should've left the "playing" around on the basketball court.

Some lessons are best learned hard. Unbelievable.

Posted by: carterm1 | January 5, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Is it fair to note that Gilbert never hurt anyone?

Posted by: rjma1 | January 5, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Finally....Gilbert reveals what happened. I told everyone yesterday there was no pointing guns and junk like that going on. It was all just a bunch of lies. Hell if anything Crittenden was the one with "some"...probably not much..but "some" anger. Obviously Gilbert was playing. In fact Crittenden saying I have my own gun and moving on means there was nothing to this.

Now, the question is. Who is the sorry no good punk in the locker room who squealed? I bet it was a non-player. Ball boys or something like that. Now, they need to have their butts kicked!!

Hopefully, this will go away and the city will leave Gilbert alone. I believe he was confused about the new gun law.

Question:
Did the Wiz do this to get out of paying Gilbert? Abe would never do that. God doesn't like ugly. I will never go to a Wizards game again if this is done just to get out of paying Gilbert. That's like Texas Tech firing Leach to get out of the 800K owed 12/31. How crappy is that?

But, if the Wizards can sucker the black athlete hating public into calling for the "rich athlete
s" head then they will try to get away with it.

Posted by: kentonsmith | January 5, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

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