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Attempted murder charges for both Va. 'road rage' drivers

The driver of the Ford dump truck involved in a Tuesday I-95 road rage incident has been charged with attempted second-degree murder, the same charge already pending against the driver of a Jaguar accused of firing 13 shots at the afternoon rush hour confrontation in Prince William County, state police said.

State police added new charges and arrested the truck's driver, James Bringham, 44, of Woodbridge, Wednesday night after further investigation into the incident that had terrified commuters and flooded emergency telephone lines with reports of gunfire.


Poventud. (Virginia State Police)

Among those callers had been Bringham, who reported shots coming from a silver Jaguar that state police later said was driven by Gabriel Proventud, 25, also of Woodbridge.

Bringham was initially charged with reckless driving but in court filings in Proventud's case had noted that "both drivers stated that Mr. Bringham rammed Mr. Poventud's car. Mr. Poventud then got out of his car and fired 13 rounds from a handgun at the other vehicle."


Bringham. (Va. State Police)

Bringham also faces a felony hit-and run charge, state police said Thursday.

No one was reported injured in the incident.

Bringham and Poventud were being held in Prince William County Jail as of early Thursday.

State police say the dispute apparently started when the truck merged onto the interstate southbound from Route 123 just south of the Fairfax County line around 4 p.m. Tuesday and "encountered" the car.

Poventud threw open the door of his silver Jaguar on the shoulder of the highway where the truck also was stopped and began shooting, police said, with his 2-year-old daughter inside in her car seat.

Over four miles and 20 minutes the two drivers drove recklessly and in a rage, state police allege, with Poventud's 2-year-old daughter in her car seat during the ride. Four bullets "would have hit the cab if they had penetrated the dump bed," a state trooper has said in a complaint filed in court.

The truck struck the Jaguar before both vehicles wound up on the left shoulder pinned against a Jersey wall, according to state police who said the truck driver then headed back into traffic, trailed by the Jaguar. One of several state troopers at the scene brought the chase to a halt on the right shoulder of I-95 near a weigh station.

Reached by phone Wednesday afternoon, Bringham had said, "I want to talk with my lawyer before I'd make any statement or do an interview."

Poventud's court-appointed attorney, John D. Primeau, declined to comment on the case, in which his client faces charges of including attempted homicide, child endangerment, use of a firearm to commit a felony, reckless use of a firearm and shooting a missile into an occupied vehicle, according to state police.

Traffic in that area of I-95, with the Occoquan River to the north and the Marine Corps Base Quantico to the south, was moving at about 30 mph at the time, said Corinne Geller, spokeswoman for the state police.

"You just don't know what you're up against if you get into something with another motorist," Geller said. "This went back to whatever happened on that merge. We tell people: Don't engage with aggressive drivers. Don't give in to that inclination. Let it go."

Staff researcher Meg Smith contributed to this report.

This item has been updated since it was first published.

-- Mary Pat Flaherty, Jennifer Buske and Josh White

By Washington Post Editors  |  March 25, 2010; 11:30 AM ET
Categories:  Josh White , Martin Weil , Mary Pat Flaherty , Pr. William , Traffic Accidents  
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Comments

If the tow truck driver struck the car with the child inside, shouldn't he also be charged with some offense like child endangerment? The father of the child should definitely take the brunt of the charges here, but it seems like the truck driver is getting off pretty easy. Both men are reckless fools.

Posted by: mercredi | March 24, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

While we don't know all the details, the truck driver could have been following the Jaguar closely and the Jaguar slammed on the brakes which made the truck hit him. Either way, firing a gun is so not cool.

Posted by: PGirl | March 24, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

The 25 y/o Jag driver will get off scott-free . .. what kind of idiot uses dump truck to try to crush a car holding a 2 y/o? The dump truck driver is lucky to be alive.

Posted by: k_romulus | March 24, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

@k_romulus: Obviously, you're not an attorney.

Stay crazy, Virginia! Get some more guns! Shoot each other all the time, all day! You deserve AG Cookanelli and Gov. Fairie Dust.

Posted by: Boogie_Knight | March 24, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Remember, though, it's METRO that "isn't safe."

Metro certainly isn't as fun or interesting as driving in the suburbs, that's for sure.

Posted by: SydneyP | March 24, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"shooting a missile into an occupied vehicle" is the specific charge? Wow. Does this imply that it is legal in VA to own missiles?

Posted by: rdpinva | March 24, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Not sure what happened here but if a DUMPTRUCK(!!) ever pushed me into a jersey wall with my 2-year old in the back I'd consider that attempted murder.

Maybe the Jag driver should have just held the guy at gunpoint, but still. A professional truck driver in a multi-ton vehicle can't intentionally strike another car several times (with a toddler inside) and be surprised when the other driver defends himself and his kid.

Posted by: ghokee | March 24, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

This is just an every day occurrence in VA. With the abundance of guns, this is how they resolve conflict.

Posted by: jabreal00 | March 24, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Judging by the Jag owner's extreme reaction, I'd bet it was one of those merging situations at low speed, when a vehicle (the truck, in this case) has to merge into traffic at some point, and the Jag driver was the "no way in he-l-l will you" kind of driver.

Posted by: hitpoints | March 24, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

no mention if the gun is properly licensed. Even if it was, the gun can't be loaded when you are transporting it. So shouldn't that be an additional charge?

also I didn't think licensed guns can be transported in a car just anywhere, isn't that only legal when you are headed to a gun show or hunt, etc? maybe that's only certain states.

Posted by: lwatkins4 | March 24, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

If shouting and gesturing or a fender bender led to this, that would be road rage. It's a little different if a truck driver is repeatedly hitting your vehicle on a busy highway when your kid is inside.

Many people would lose thier cool if someone threatened the safety of their child. But there is absolutely ZERO rationale for the tow truck driver. I'd suggest castration.

Posted by: Wallenstein | March 24, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant dump truck, not tow truck.

Posted by: Wallenstein | March 24, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

wow...

i thought i had a bad day of driving yesterday...

Posted by: potomacfever00 | March 24, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The Jaguar driver was clearly wrong, but the tow truck driver had no right to repeatedly ram a car with a child in it.

Trucks in DC tend to think they own the road and I'd be upset too if my car was being rammed even though my daughter was inside.

Posted by: alc0f7 | March 24, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

lwatkins, this isn't Maryland. Guns aren't registered or licensed in Virginia. Perfectly legal to carry a loaded weapon visibly, or concealed with a valid permit. That's why there are no "additional charges."

As a concealed license holder, i cringe at the hordes of brady lapdogs who rush to judgement, or the simpletons who think that people will be getting drunk and shooting up restaurants. Look no farther than the Great state of maryland to see how well gun control laws are working anyway. The gang-bangers love it there.

Truck driver should get attempted vehicular manslaughter.

Posted by: Please_Fix_VAs_Roads | March 24, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

lwatkins4, you're thinking of MD laws, which are much more restrictive about where you can transport your gun to. In VA the restrictions are much less.

I, too, would like to know if the driver of the Jag was in posession of the gun legally.

Posted by: reiflame1 | March 24, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I was on the right lane going toward Dulles Airport and I slowed down to 35 in a 25 Contruction Zone and a truck tailgated and honked at me in my little car. It felt like a Stephen King movie.

Trucks are also dangerous weapons. Both turkeys should go to jail for a long time

Posted by: jercha | March 24, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Hard to believe so many here defending the Jag driver. I guess no-one told me those perks of parenting: if you have a child with you, attempted-murder statutes don't apply, and car accidents are automatically someone else's fault?

Even more amazing is folks suggesting what the charges should be. Call me crazy, but I'll take the word of highway police, eyeball witnesses, and grand juries over folks who were nowhere near this.

And Please_Fix:

"i cringe at the hordes of brady lapdogs who... think that people will be getting drunk and shooting up restaurants."

If they had stuck to the threat of legally sober babies-with-babies shooting up the freeways, would you be OK with that?

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | March 24, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

@Godfather_of_Goals

The hypocrites in the trucking industry continually blather about their "professional" drivers are better skilled and and cooler than passenger vehicle drivers. Which every person knows is an utter lie. So they themselves put their drivers under a much higher standard, and then consistently fail to deliver.

In this case, a "professional" truck driver attempted to injure a man and his child. How can you not side with the Jag driver?

Posted by: Wallenstein | March 24, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

What do you expect when you bring a Dumptruck to a gun fight?

Posted by: dwj703 | March 24, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Reckless use of a firearm?? I can't believe redneck VA has a law against reckless use of a firearm.. what's the point of being able to carry a gun if you get punished for using it on people who annoy you?

Posted by: john65001 | March 24, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Only criminals use guns unsafely. Can't wait for the guns to show up in bars.

Posted by: jckdoors | March 24, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm with the Jaguar driver on this one. A dunptruck that strikes your car twice and then pins your car against a jersey wall is not an accident!! This guy intentionally attacked the car with his truck. He should face more serious charges than reckless driving. THe guy in the Jaguar may have gone too far in pursuing the truck down the road, but pulling a gun in that situation with a baby in the car is quite understandable.

Posted by: PepperDr | March 24, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"The men, both from Woodbridge...."

Says it all, huh?

Posted by: RealityCheckerInEffect | March 24, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama should have them over for a beer.

Posted by: Bitter_Bill | March 24, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

A good lawyer will argue that in fact the truck driver used his truck as a deadly weapon, thus making the driver of the car to feel unsafe and fire his weapon at the truck driver.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 24, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

i guess the one idiot got a "reckless use of a firearm" charge because he fired thirteen times and missed?

Posted by: phackley1 | March 24, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"The drivers of the two vehicles began engaging with one another in an aggressive manner," the statement continued. The dump truck struck the Jaguar two times, and the vehicles "ended up on the left shoulder and pinned against the Jersey wall."

Police alleged that Poventud got out of his car at that point, armed with a handgun, and fired 13 rounds at the truck, striking it at least four times."

The second paragraph is why he is being charged with attempted murder and why self defense does not apply in this instance. The vehicles were up against the Jersey wall at that point. The driver then got out of his car and fired his weapon. Had the truck again tried to strike either the car or the driver after the incident, then driver can claim self-defense. But, after the fact is a different story

He is going to do some time b/c of this.

Posted by: ABN00 | March 24, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Jaguar Man is quite the looker.

Posted by: steampunk | March 24, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Dump trucks are very dangerous vehicles, and are involved in a lot of fatal incidents. I hope a camera somewhere caught this mess as it was unfolding. Both drivers might be at fault.

Posted by: catbird500 | March 24, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse


The poor child. Her father is an idiot.

And there's the hundreds or thousands of other drivers and passengers on the highway who were endangered by their crazy driving and stray bullets

Virginia should make an example of both of the drivers. Prosecute to the fullest extent the law allows.

Posted by: DagnyT | March 24, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Either way, firing a gun is so not cool. "

LOL I thought the whole point of carrying a gun was that you could fire it in self-defense.

If a guy runs you and your 2 year old daughter off the road into a Jersey barrier and you can't legally shoot at him? Then what's the point of carrying a gun in your car? LOL

I'll tell you what: if the Jaguar guy had been an undercover officer, he would have vaporized that truck in the name of self-defense not to mention not letting the truck driver get away and pose an ongoing risk to the public.

Posted by: dubya1938 | March 24, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

So, the truck driver fled after being fired upon and the driver of the Jag pursued him? With his two year old in the back seat? That doesn't sound like self defense to me. Who knows, the truck driver may not have even seen the child in the back seat. But the driver of the Jag knew his daughter was there. He was already an idiot for getting into the situation in the first place, even if the truck driver was initially in the wrong. Then, he's a bigger idiot for jumping out of his car and firing 13 shots, eleven of which didn't hit their target and could easily have hit someone else. Finally, he's even more of an idiot for chasing the truck after the guy was running away and no longer posed a threat, once again, with his two year old daughter in the car. It wouldn't suprise me if the driver of the Jag caused the whole incident to begin with. However much of a clown the truck driver was, the driver of the Jag was about three times worse.

Posted by: sonny2 | March 24, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

RealityCheckerInEffect cracks me up!

Posted by: mediajunky | March 24, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I just am NOT surprised. People in this area are needlessly aggressive and self-important.

Posted by: sigmagrrl | March 24, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Dump truck drivers are awful. I've witnessed them overtake cars in excess of 80 mph on 295. I bet lot of people would love to do the same thing but, obviously, we have enough common sense not to.

Posted by: melador | March 24, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

How is this guy able to afford a Jag?

Posted by: TG10 | March 24, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

$10 says the Jag was stolen.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | March 24, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The dump truck didn't have the right to ram the Jaguar at all, child or no child. Most likely, he didn't know there was a child in the car until after the fact.

Posted by: itsme1 | March 24, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like the guy in the jag wouldn't let the dump truck driver merge and then an accident occurred. At no time would that be okay to pull out a gun and start shooting. I hope he loses custody of his child forever.

Posted by: InVA2 | March 24, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Shoot out the tires instead.

Posted by: melador | March 24, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Everyone read "Sonny2" post. He got it completely right!

Posted by: InVA2 | March 24, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Also, I have to agree with those of you who say the Jaguar was as much, if not more, in the wrong. You can use a gun to protect yourself, but following somebody, getting out of your car, and shooting at them when they no longer pose a threat is not considered self-defense.

What if the truck driver also had a gun and returned his fire? His daughter could have been shot!

Posted by: itsme1 | March 24, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse


How is this guy able to afford a Jag?

Posted by: TG10 | March 24, 2010 3:41 PM
______________________________________


Maybe it's Mummy's.

Or 15 years old.

Posted by: DagnyT | March 24, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If Debbi Wilgoren wrote this article, I suggest she go back to elementary school and learn how to write. Who is proof reading these web pages? To add realism to your story you are writing like the drivers must talk.

Posted by: rayhanlein | March 24, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Uh, 25yo with a Jag, a baby, and a weapon.

Am I the only one wondering if he was holdin?! I'm just sayin.

PS. Go to the range before you rage.
4 for 13? I mean it was a freekin dump truck, the size of a dump truck!

Posted by: dedlinetosilverspring | March 24, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

This is the longest thread I've ever seen without someone blaming the whole thing on Obama.

Posted by: ajlerner1 | March 24, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

It is shameful for both drivers that they put the life and safety of a child at risk regardless of who started the skirmish. Repeatedly hitting the smaller car with heavey dump truck could have seriously injured the child if the car rolled down and embankment etc. Childs' father should not have used a gun to handle this situation especailly during such a croweded rush hour when he cant shoot straight at close range (try fist fight first next time). VA government needs to spend more money to reduce congestion and build more roads instead of suing Obama for healthcare bill. Poorly designed and outdated traffic infrastructre increases congestion which in turn wastes public and private resources, increases stress, robs workforce of productivity while increasing pollution. We need to question how our tax dollars are improving quality of our lives, especially folks in workforce who pay most fo the taxes.

Posted by: Jim110 | March 24, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

So what if the kid was killed. Probably will grow up & take after the father anyway.

Posted by: billbarry1 | March 24, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

were do it say he was driving a dump truck. It just says it was a Ford truck.
Also author Debbi Wilgoren should pratice her writing skills a little more.

Posted by: justaguy3 | March 24, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Poventud must be a great marksman to fire 13 shots at a dump truck and only hit it 4 times. Did anyone check his feet for wounds?

Posted by: formerrepublican1 | March 24, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"were do it say he was driving a dump truck. It just says it was a Ford truck."

Actually it does say dump truck. It's the fifth paragraph down. It says "Ford dump truck", I didn't remember seeing anything about a dump truck either, so I went back and checked.

Posted by: POLOinDC | March 24, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

A dump truck hitting a Jaguar should be seen as Attempted Murder. Especially if he hit the vehicle more then once. I realize the Jaguar driver went off , perhaps he was trying to get the Dump Truck diver to stop. Some of these vehicles are so dirty & grimay you can't see the plate or any markings on these Dump Trucks. Plus they Bogart Traffic & act like they [the dump trucks] own the dang rood. If my daughter was in the car & this happened & I was armed.. I'd do everything in my power to protect my child.

Posted by: digtldesk | March 24, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

did he purposefully intend to hit a car KNOWING that a 2 year old was in the car? The standard is whether he knew that there was a 2 year old in the car. The answer is arguable. But mostly likely is no! He may have been to high to see the car seat in the middle of the back seat. So, it's the guy in the jag who has the responsibility to protect his child. He failed his child here and it's a good thing he's going down for it. I hope child protective services make him never sees that child again until he gets some anger management counselling

Posted by: ftroit | March 24, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow Washington Post, your editing skills are slipping. One too many of the word 'driver' in the first paragraph.. missing the word 'out' in the first sentence of the second paragraph, and that's about as far as I got before I lost interest in reading a published first draft and left to read my hometown paper.

Posted by: jkryway | March 24, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad I don't own a car. Ride a bike, live healthy, no stress, no road rage.

Posted by: v2008 | March 24, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

If only the dump truck driver had had his gun then he could have fired back in self-defense against the murderous intent of the Jag driver. More people should be armed at all times, that will keep us all much safer.

Posted by: meltee | March 24, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Where are people getting these guns? The 25 year old step father was shown on Fox 5 News and he looks almost young than his 25 year old step son. The step father stated, his family on both sides believe in an eye for an eye and getting revenge. Maybe this is the way they do it in Central America, but we are supposed to be civilized in the United States.

Posted by: Ward4DC | March 24, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Crap! I live in "Hood"bridge!!!

Posted by: th0rr30 | March 25, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

From PWC, WaPost: "Police alleged that Poventud got out of his car at that point, armed with a handgun, and fired 13 rounds at the truck, striking it at least four times."

As usual the most dangerous person with a weapon is the one who has never learned to use it according to the Second Amendment's 'well regulated militia being necessary' clause. That 'well regulated militia', AKA police, has never fired at an escapee in a moving vehicle even when some high caliber weapons can stop a auto engine in its revs. Wonder why.

BTW, that 'reckless use of a firearm' has caused several Virginians to be hauled off to jail for accidently discharging a weapon in their own homes, including at least one instance when a child found it left in the open. Don't run that 'reckless use' charge by a Virgiania jury either, they are not sympathetic.

Posted by: arjay1 | March 25, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

The dump truck driver should not have been charged with anything! All his actions seem to be in defense of his life, if the description of the incident is correct. I wouldn't be surprised if the Commonwealth Attorney for that county dropped the charges. There is a whole lot of metigation.

Posted by: jrusssh | March 25, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

It probably would have saved him some time to just let the truck merge.

Posted by: vmax02rider | March 25, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I hope it was all worth it. I have my moments when I don't let people over, but if you merge over anyway, and you are willing to take the chance of hitting my car, then you get over because it is not worth me risking my life or going to jail over it. If I am the one trying to get over and a driver won't let me, I am not going to 'prove' to him that I will get over in regardless of whether he is going to let me willingly. I would rather be 5-10 minutes late, than to be doing 5-10 years (or more), having an accident, and/or possibly injuring myself or others.

Posted by: Gtown10 | March 25, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"shooting a missile into an occupied vehicle" is the specific charge? Wow. Does this imply that it is legal in VA to own missiles?Posted by: rdpinva "

definition of missile:
–noun
1.an object or weapon for throwing, hurling, or shooting, as a stone, bullet, or arrow.
2.guided missile.
3.ballistic missile.
–adjective
4.capable of being thrown, hurled, or shot, as from the hand or a gun.
5.used or designed for discharging missiles.

Posted by: Michael_A1 | March 25, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Wow Washington Post, your editing skills are slipping. One too many of the word 'driver' in the first paragraph.. missing the word 'out' in the first sentence of the second paragraph, and that's about as far as I got before I lost interest in reading a published first draft and left to read my hometown paper.

Posted by: jkryway | March 24, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

* * * * * * * *
If this was the good old days when papers came out the next day then this criticism would be fair. But in an era when everyone expects there news as it happens I'm afraid less than masterful prose will be published under the WaPo masthead.

Posted by: Cossackathon | March 25, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me this is a case of self-defense. If the truck driver had already rammed this man's car twice what makes anyone think that he wouldn't have done it a third time if the guy had not shot at him? You bet that I would do anything to protect myself and my baby if someone is trying to kill us.

Posted by: opita1 | March 25, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

The number of people on here who think it makes perfect sense if someone hits your car or runs you off the road (at 30 mph!) to pull out a gun and start firing is a little mind-boggling.

How about taking down the license number and calling the cops? Sheesh.

Posted by: whitman22 | March 25, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I hope they send the 25 year old to JAIL for a long while. What Fool would even get in to a problem on the road with his child in the car? He deserves what he gets. What if the dump truck driver had a gun and the child was shot. You others who post don’t even think. Most of it is just bluff talk anyway, I would have did this I would have done that. You wouldn’t have done anything but rolled on. Stop being so BOLD in your words before the Chickens come on to Roost.

Posted by: access11 | March 25, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

A COUPLE OF GENIUSES WHO PROBABLY WISH THEY HAD YESTERDAY TO DO OVER.

Posted by: dem4evr | March 25, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"both drivers stated that Mr. Bringham rammed Mr. Poventud's car."

So the dump truck driver admitted ramming the Jag driver's car first!


Posted by: Wallenstein | March 25, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

trash driving a trash truck...

Posted by: mugengsr1 | March 25, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Neither of these guys sounds like the brightest bulb in the lamp. But given that folks in this area seem hell-bent on preventing ANYONE from ever merging safely in front of them - it was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Poventud though - wow. What a piece of work. Was he stoned? Jag vs. Dump Truck? That's not bright. And with a child in the car? And a hand-gun? He should have let the truck merge instead of being a jerk.

Posted by: mwcob | March 25, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Well - they have both been (properly( charged with attempted murder. Maybe they can share a cell for ten years and jointly work out their "issue"

What goofballs! What a waste of protoplasm!

My experiences with bizzare road-rage have been with Latinos. Particularly for lower-income men in Central America (I have lived in El Salvador and worked in Guatemala and Costa Rica), achieving the income to afford a car is a very important mark of manhood. They get totally ego-involved with their cars, and any minor insult on the road is an insult to their manhood, and can often result in a strong over-reaction. "Just don't mess with them" is my advice.

Posted by: wobbleman47 | March 25, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I would have done the same thing if I was in my car with my child and a DUMP TRUCK started to ram me. I would have aimed low so I can miss high on his head. Where I come from, that's self defense. The car driver should have hit the truck driver with one round. That would have taught his @$$ a lesson.

Posted by: mrmaye | March 25, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

So how does a person who drives a silver Jaguar get a court appointed lawyer. Seems to me like he has resourses. Shouldn't court appointed lawyers be for people who CAN'T afford Jags?

Posted by: AndrewScott1 | March 25, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

A COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY for a Jaguar owner. WTF??!!
And how could the dump truck owner know there's a kid in the Jag?
Seems to me it's all Poventud's fault. He's the one who got out of his car, brandished and shot the gun all with the knowledge that there was a child in his car.
And for all this he gets a free lawyer.
Something just doesn't add up.

Posted by: gnomek2 | March 25, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Jaguar's are not expensive used people, they generally fall apart after a couple years...or months even. This guy's not rich, he just wants people that are ill informed to think he is.

In VA even if this guy had a permit for his weapon, you can only use it in self defense. Once he gave chase and started firing in traffic he endangered more people.

If the Truck Driver pinned him and he shot to defend himself and his little girl, I could see that as justified. After the Truck Driver drove off, he should have reported the incident.

Though I'm guessing there is more to this story then we know.

Posted by: netsurf12 | March 25, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Too bad everyone on the road didn't have a gun (for protection of course) - they could have joined the fun! 50, 100 people or more all shooting at each other! Ain't Virginny grand! Long live America, Land of the Free!

Posted by: GenuineRisk | March 25, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

It is legal in Virginia to carry a loaded gun in a car. Now this gun may or may not be legal depending on the status of the owner. Was he legally allowed to carry that firearm? We don't know yet.

Just because the guy fired a gun does not mean this is just road rage. He could not escape pinned to the wall in bumper to bumper traffic. What do you do if you are being terrorized by a psychotic nut and can't escape? No, this is not an open and shut case.

Its easy to just call this roag rage but it may be road terrorism instead.

Of course you DON'T get out of your car to yell at anyone for any reason.

Posted by: SlideRule | March 25, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"pulling a gun in that situation with a baby
in the car is quite understandable."

Actually, having a loaded firearm with a baby in the car seems quite incomprehensible to me.

Posted by: Stevis16 | March 25, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

wobbleman47 has the best idea. Put these two losers in a cell together -- just the two of them -- and let them "work things out."

Posted by: lydgate | March 25, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happens to drivers when they are behind the wheel! They become aggressive, agitated! Their driver licenses should be suspended! They should receive the most harsh disciplinary action against aggressive drivers! Take the weapons out of the hands of civilians! Road rage!

Posted by: mbmeleverizonnet | March 25, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

driving a jaguar but a court-appointed attorney?

Posted by: ryjufox3 | March 25, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Get use to incidents like this one virginia. mcdonnell has already stated he has given up on doing anything to help with the road congestion in northern virginia. he needs to save up virginia tax dollars to sue the federal government for being the federal government and push the rest of his rightwing social agenda.
the fight againsts gays and those without healthcare comes first! time to reload.

Posted by: MarilynManson | March 25, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

driving a jaguar but a court-appointed attorney?

Posted by: ryjufox3 | March 25, 2010 12:23 PM
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They never said the year of the Jaguar...

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm not on EITHER driver's side here. They are both dangerous morons who put not only the two-year-old, but also a lot of commuters who probably had some of their kids in their cars too. And for what? Because of that damn you-can't get-in-front-of-me attitude, as if it would have made ANY difference to either of them when traffic was only going 30 MPH anyway. F-ing dumbasses. Rot in jail, and serve as a warning to others.

Posted by: Lila1 | March 25, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I think the young man knew that the truck driver would probably beat him like a drum, so he had to fire at the guy. I say you put both of them in the same cell and see who comes out standing.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 25, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I think it's pretty funny that people on here think just because the guy drives a Jag he's got money. Hell, I drive a 1986 Porsche 928 and barely have two nickles to rub together.

Posted by: 40ozoffreedom | March 25, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 24, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse
A good lawyer will argue that in fact the truck driver used his truck as a deadly weapon, thus making the driver of the car to feel unsafe and fire his weapon at the truck driver.
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I'm not a lawyer but while I agree people have the right to defend themselves, I believe the shooting occurred after both vehicles had stopped on the highway. And i believe the shots were fired into the back of the truck meaning it was heading away from the Jaguar, not toward it at the time of the shooting, unless the truck was backing up. So it's definitely wrong for the guy to whip out a gun and fire off 13-rounds. That wasn't self defense, that was rage. As for the truck driver, anyone stupid enough to ram a large dump truck into a passenger car with a child inside just because some jerk wouldn't let you merge in traffic needs to be taken off the streets for awhile to learn a lesson in civility. I think both of these yahoos are idiots and deserve some jail time for recklessly endangering the other people on the highway with their cowboy-mentality behavior.

Posted by: dlpetersdc | March 25, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"shooting a missile into an occupied vehicle" is the specific charge? Wow. Does this imply that it is legal in VA to own missiles?Posted by: rdpinva "

definition of missile:
–noun
1.an object or weapon for throwing, hurling, or shooting, as a stone, bullet, or arrow.
2.guided missile.
3.ballistic missile.
–adjective
4.capable of being thrown, hurled, or shot, as from the hand or a gun.
5.used or designed for discharging missiles.

Posted by: Michael_A1 | March 25, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse
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Michael, take a chill pill. He meant it as satire.

Posted by: dlpetersdc | March 25, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

This is senseless. So many could have been injured by these two boneheads.

Posted by: brandip_77 | March 25, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

@SlideRule

"It is legal in Virginia to carry a loaded gun in a car."

Yes, as long as it's not concealed or if it is concealed then you need a permit.

"Now this gun may or may not be legal depending on the status of the owner. Was he legally allowed to carry that firearm?"

Unless he was a convicted felon, he has the right to carry a firearm.

"We don't know yet."

I think we do know, or they would have charged him accordingly.

Posted by: matt555 | March 25, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, Virginia has terrible gun problems. PG County, SE DC, and Baltimore have no gun problems, no drug problems, and no criminals. Too funny.

Nevermind the fact MD drivers rank only better than drivers from IL.

Now we can add unintelligent to them as well.

I'll deal with the occasional legal gunshot here in VA than the many, many illegal gun shots (Gilbert Arenas anyone?) from DC and MD.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 25, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"pulling a gun in that situation with a baby in the car is quite understandable."
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"Stevis16" says [3/25, 12:06p]:

Actually, having a loaded firearm with a baby in the car seems quite incomprehensible to me.
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Actually, having a baby in a moving vehicle seems incomprehensible to me. Especially when so many others also have moving vehicles in the vicinity:

*) 125gr ( .017857 lb) bullet from a .357 magnum revolver moving 1450 feet per second: 583 ft-lbs of energy

*) 5000lb SUV moving 30mph (44fps): 150,497 ft-lbs of energy

So the SUV, moving a relatively slow 30mph, is generating 258 times as much force as a bullet from a .357 magnum revolver.

And 'driver training' consists primarily of recognizing a standard traffic signal (though you'd be hard pressed to believe it watching people who apparently think 'right on red' means 'I have a 'right' to turn on red without stopping') and maybe how to parallel park. Though I do like the bit that used to be in the Maryland state driver's handbook: "The horn is never a substitute for the brakes".

Add to that the fact that drivers are texting, talking on cellphones, putting on makeup, yapping at people in the backseat, playing air-guitar (me), playing dash-drums (me again), drinking coffee and eating a bagel, reading... anyone subjecting their baby to that level of danger should be cited for child endangerment for sure.

Posted by: srb2 | March 25, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

They're both morons and they both deserve what's coming to them. Soon, they'll both be playing "catcher" for the prison baseball team. I hope it was worth it. BWAHAHAHAHA....... LOSERS!


Posted by: savethepcbs | March 25, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes both of these jerks were very wrong and very stupid. But I can see where the Jag driver is coming from, he was provoked.... You never know how you are going to react to a threat to your child in the heat of the moment. Maybe the remedy is for people to respect one another no matter whos involved. Truck driver probably saw some young minority and said fug him and the young minority saw some red neck truck driver and said fug him.

Posted by: das_tae | March 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

@srb

"pulling a gun in that situation with a baby in the car is quite understandable."
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"Stevis16" says [3/25, 12:06p]:

Actually, having a loaded firearm with a baby in the car seems quite incomprehensible to me.
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srb2 | March 25, 2010 1:45 PM

Actually, having a baby in a moving vehicle seems incomprehensible to me. Especially when so many others also have moving vehicles in the vicinity:

*) 125gr ( .017857 lb) bullet from a .357 magnum revolver moving 1450 feet per second: 583 ft-lbs of energy

*) 5000lb SUV moving 30mph (44fps): 150,497 ft-lbs of energy

So the SUV, moving a relatively slow 30mph, is generating 258 times as much force as a bullet from a .357 magnum revolver.

And 'driver training' consists primarily of recognizing a standard traffic signal (though you'd be hard pressed to believe it watching people who apparently think 'right on red' means 'I have a 'right' to turn on red without stopping') and maybe how to parallel park. Though I do like the bit that used to be in the Maryland state driver's handbook: "The horn is never a substitute for the brakes".

Add to that the fact that drivers are texting, talking on cellphones, putting on makeup, yapping at people in the backseat, playing air-guitar (me), playing dash-drums (me again), drinking coffee and eating a bagel, reading... anyone subjecting their baby to that level of danger should be cited for child endangerment for sure.
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Thank you. I wanted to point out the same thing. Riding in a passenger vehicle on an interstate highway is perhaps the riskiest routine activity Americans undertake. The presence of a loaded weapon presumably with its safety on is insignificant.

Moreover, many of us grew up in places where people kept multiple loaded weapons in the house. I have known no single person killed by a rifle, shotgun, or handgun. (In fact, I have known more people injured or killed by run of the mill consumer products, like power tools and lawn mowers). But I have multiple friends and aquaintances killed or injured in car crashes.

OK, we get it, some of you don't like guns. However, to most people, CARS are the biggest threat to safety, greater than terrorism, nuclear war, guns, natural disasters, and diseases combined.

So many irrational tools, so little time. Why do I even bother?

Posted by: Wallenstein | March 25, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like Poventud is a hero. He acted in self defense and in defense of others to try to stop the murderous truck driver. A gun isn't even close to equalizing the danger presented by a deranged truck driver.

When seconds count, police are 20 minutes away.

Posted by: corrections | March 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Bravo to the Prince William County Police for charging BOTH of these men with attempted murder. After reading additional details in another paper, I'm convinced there's no "hero" or "victim" here (except, of course, the child in the back seat of the Jag.)

Posted by: SMV-VA | March 25, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Correction: I should have acknowledged the Virginia State Police, as they're the ones that actually brought charges.

Posted by: SMV-VA | March 25, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Pulling a Gun out with your child in the car is not OK! Calling the police is!!! a 25 yr old, in a Jag, with a gun. Dont get me wrong, both are to blame here and both are complete idiots and deserve any punishment that comes their way. truck taps me a few times or pins me against a jersey wall.... 911, 911, 911 explaining that somebody is trying to run me down with a dump truck (it was during rush hour with stop and go traffice at low speeds...effin stop right there and call 911).

Posted by: rvanags | March 25, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to hear these "additional details"

911 does not work in an actual emergency. The police will arrive in time to find your cold dead body (or toasted corpse as was possible in this case). As stated above, it took the police TWENTY MINUTES to respond.

Posted by: corrections | March 25, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

If the driver of the Jag had a permit to carry the weapon, and if the police are willing to charge the driver of the dump truck with attempted murder, the driver of the Jag acted reasonably to protect the lives of himself and his daugther. Under Virgina law he is innocent of any charges relating to the discharge of his firearm.

Posted by: kpbeat | March 25, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

This sounds like a stroyline from Chappelle's skit, "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong". A simple shrug from either party and they could both be on their way on home as we speak...you know, instead of the butt-factory.

Posted by: mmurphy6 | March 25, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Ok, ok. Now which one was on the cell phone? Any bets? Both are idiots.

Posted by: oypay | March 25, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

It is fortunate nobody got hurt here because the Jaguar owner could have wounded or killed someone with his little shooting rampage - either the dump truck driver or some poor fool who happened to be stuck in traffic passing by the scene. Likewise the dump truck driver by ramming the Jaguar could have killed or wounded the Jaguar driver, his kid, and possibly rammed the car into another car not involved in this fracas. All this over a dispute over who got to merge into the lane first. Whether either of these morons can get a jury gullible enough to buy self defense remains to be seen. That said, they probably ruined their respective lives by not backing down over what amounts to a stupid fit of road rage. I admit I am no saint, I have given a one finger salute to idiot drivers out there from time to time and slammed my horn once in a while, but I have to say with idiots like these on the road I might be better off to just curse to myself in future. At least that way I might get through the day without getting smashed into a retaining wall or worse still getting a cap pumped into my head by some gun nut who keeps a loaded 45 under his front seat.

Posted by: da55 | March 25, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

buck buck buck... get out da way get out da way... buck buck buck!!!

But seriously.. if i was in possession of a gun and a dump truck was ramming me with my son in the car... (NRA member) im not missing.. was the gun legal is the question?

Posted by: rockettonu | March 25, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Thats Woodbridge for you, the PG County of Virginia.

Posted by: kenk3 | March 25, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

How does a twenty five year old afford a jag, but cant afford a lawyer, second out of thirteen shots at a dump truck he only hits twice that boy couldnt hit the broad side of a barn. I'll bet the gun was his dads and the jag was mommys, now go do your time little rich punk...

Posted by: FrankMonzon | March 25, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Each of them should be locked in an unguarded cell with Big Bubba. That will give them a dose of humility.

Posted by: ajlerner1 | March 25, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Too bad he was such a bad shot.

Posted by: fireball72 | March 25, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

To those of you going on about the Jaguar driver's poor aim:

He was most-likely firing warning shots in the sky to let the dump truck driver know he meant business.

Posted by: steampunk | March 26, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Hope it was worth it you idiots.

Posted by: gchris01 | March 26, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

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