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Va. police chiefs want handgun-in-bar legislation vetoed

Virginia's police chiefs are asking Gov. Bob McDonnell to veto legislation that would allow people to carry concealed handguns into bars, calling it a "recipe for disaster."

Virginia Beach police Chief Jake Jacocks Jr. compared the combination of firearms and alcohol to drinking and driving in a letter sent to McDonnell on behalf of the state association of chiefs.

But their efforts seem unlikely to sway McDonnell, as the governor's office said he will sign the bill.

McDonnell's office said that while the governor appreciates the work and comments of the police chiefs, he will continue to protect and uphold the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens.

The association said it will ask lawmakers to reconsider its decision if police see an increase in gun violence in bars.

-- The Virginian-Pilot

By Washington Post Editors  |  March 17, 2010; 10:08 AM ET
Categories:  Virginia  
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So, I can no longer smoke in a bar but I can carry a gun. Oh, but of course, I wouldn't drink while there, would I? I always go to bars just to watch other people drink. Virginia is turning into a real weird state!

Posted by: juliagraffam | March 17, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

VA doesn't have "bars" it has restaurants that serve alcohol. Restaurants where people go to have dinner, meet friends, etc. so plenty of people go to restarants who don't drink.

The VA police chiefs should note if there is an increase in shootings related to concealed carry permit holders since that's the only group to which this bill applies.

Posted by: ronjaboy | March 17, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I suspect that the next thing that will be legislated is that there will be no background checks and that anyone can get guns due to their 2nd amendment rights. Oh, I forgot, the governor has a security detail and probably a massive security system so he doesn't have to worry about criminals or insane people who have guns. I liken this to Arlen Specter who as a Republican voted against stem cell research until he was diagnosed with cancer and suddenly he reconsidered. Let's just hope that violent crime doesn't go up when guns are freely allowed into venues where alcohol is served even if food is too. The facade of Virginia being a dynamic and forward thinking state is slowly but surely going away and soon there may even be maccaca auctions. Stay tuned......

Posted by: purveyors | March 17, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Want to support your First and Second Amendment rights simultaneously? Then join "Panhandlers for Open Carry." It's money in the bank.

Posted by: leifrakur2 | March 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"The association said it will ask lawmakers to reconsider its decision if police see an increase in gun violence in bars."

What if the violence is a sober, non-drink, carrying patron defending himself from someone that has been drinking? If some is stupid enough to carry a weapon and drink they are most likely to carry the weapon while drinking regardless whether it is legal to do so or not.

Posted by: ahashburn | March 17, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely brilliant, chiefs. Since you seem enamored with the idiotic DUI analogy, does this mean that you agree that ABC stores should not sell alcohol to customers who arrive in and will leave driving motor vehicles?

Makes perfect sense doesn't it? Clearly, since you believe that CCW permit holders - who, unlike driver's license holders, have passed a background check -can't control themselves while armed around alcohol, how can motor vehicle operators possible keep from cracking open the container once they leave the ABC store?

Or do you think that CCW permit holders are just inherently more irresponsible than motor vehicle operators?

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | March 17, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Cops seem to think they are the ONLY people out there who know how to handle a firearm responsibility...

Given the recent episodes of cop negligent discharges > several which resulted in TOTALLY INNOCENT PEOPLE being SHOT and KILLED by POLICE > with their police issued weapons.. I would disagree...

remember > when seconds count >>police are minutes away..

Posted by: kglkgl06 | March 17, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to guns, lawmakers never listen to the law enforcers. They always side with their gun-totting buddies. Let the lawmakers clean-up the mess from now on.

Posted by: jckdoors | March 17, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

This is a total non-issue, considering that FORTY-ONE of the fifty states don't have such a prohibition on carry in establishments that serve alcohol.

These police chiefs are either ignorant, misguided, or working for special interests.

Posted by: ambiguae | March 17, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

It's legal under current VA law to carry a gun in a bar AND have a drink so long as the gun is not concealed. And you don't need a permit. (you can't get drunk though). Under the new law, permit holders would have the option to conceal provided they did not drink.

Posted by: benminer | March 18, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Alternate, better Headline: VA police chiefs admit vast ignorance

40+ other states have allowed the same thing for many years with none of the gloom and doom and horror stories that these Chicken Littles proclaim.

Posted by: JackBurton1 | March 18, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Well, then, let's think about this.

How do these police chiefs feel about disarming COPS in those bars and restaurants. Especially in places loosely referred to as "cop bars," where the police hang out off duty, after work; places that we all know exist, and which occasionally are scenes of disputes involving (gasp!) cops who have had a bit too much to drink.

If we're going to keep guns out of bars, then we need to apply that to ALL guns, not just those carried by private citizens.

Posted by: davep4 | March 18, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Isn't this the same police chief who had three of his own officers arrested and prosecuted for being intoxicated while in possession of their weapons?

Believe that is so, and if the cops wont obey the law, why does the idiots expect anyone else will?

Posted by: Outzide | March 18, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

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