Duke Haters Are Very Good at What They Do

Hardcore Duke haters sure do know how to rationalize.

D.C. Sports Bogger Dan Steinberg writes about his visit with Coach K's family *gasp!* and how they deal with the taunting, booing and pure hatred often displayed by Duke's opposing fans. It sort of tugs at the heartstrings (assuming any of these haters have hearts).

And somehow -- this is incredible -- the Duke haters make Steinberg look like the crazy one for sympathizing with the Devil(s).

RL: What's next, Steinberg? A post about how Bill Belichick secretly just wants to be loved?

(More hatred than you can shake a stick at after the jump)

David: If the players can't handle it, maybe they should play somewhere else. And if they can, why is everyone getting upset about it?
Strat: Passion is part of sports. And it can include negative passion. For people that get emotionally invested in games (which is many many people for many many teams) its natural to yell at the opposition. Especially when that opposition is Duke.
Fred: Fans didn't just single out Duke for no reason whatsoever and start hating them. They are an extremely irritating program. There's no denying that.

You can't deny that. See? They're very good, these haters.

TB: There are two teams that I can say I truly hate, the Duke Blue Devils and the Dallas Cowboys. I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Solid argument.

R.L.: Hey, remember when Duke fans threw bags of white powder out on the court during games against Maryland a few years back? You know, cause Maryland's best player was Juan Dixon, and his parents were heroin addicts and died of AIDS? That was clas-sy!

Okay, that point definitely has some merit.

JDP tells Steinberg: First, you make it seem as if Duke are the only team in sports that are hated. You know thats not true. Second you make it seem as if Duke are victims somehow because people boo them before they take the court.
Dan Steinberg [yes, the real deal] explains: Look, JDP, I spent most of Monday celebrating the fact that Terps fans were booing the Duke women. I think booing is funny, and I get tired of quiet, boring fans. But after I spent all that time talking to Coach K's family, i wasn't going to turn around and rip them for how they feel. It just must seem different, I think, when your grandpa is the one nicknamed "Rat Face." Plus,there's a difference between booing and hatred, no? Couldn't you theoretically boo a team without necessarily professing to hate the 18-year old kid in that team's uniform?

Sure you could, but that wouldn't be thorough, and if Duke haters are one thing, they're thorough.

JDP: Dan, you're right there is a difference between booing and hatred. But I don't think people even with the vulgar signs hate, in the true sense of the word, Duke. Sure there are strong feelings that come from your own love for your team and the natural side effects of them losing a lot of games to Duke.

How much do you want to bet that JDP hasn't been to a Duke-Maryland game at Comcast Center?

DC Centurion's Shield: There's nothing wrong with rooting against Duke, but we as fans, and as participants, could do a lot more. ... Here's a thought too: What would happen at Maryland if Gary Williams grabbed the microphone in the middle of one of the bluer cheers, and told the fans to knock it off? Or in UNC if Roy Williams pointed out egregious signs and had them removed by security?
JDP: I don't think you can place the blame or even responsibility on Roy or Gary. They aren't going to play censor.

Maryland fans, remember when Gary Williams took the microphone before a game against UNC back in 2004 and nicely asked the fans to tone it down, and then that marked the end of poor sportsmanship at Maryland forever? .... No? Exactly.

Speak to Ben Coleman: Maryland sports fans have no class. They resent more successful athletic programs like Duke and Virginia Tech. Coach K and Coach Greenberg become convenient villains because they are superior coaches to Maryland's sweaty, angry Coach Williams. Some of them claim that Virginia Tech is a lousy school. Guess what? I am a high powered lawyer with a stunningly hot wife. You can't beat that with a bat.

Wait a minute. Who said anything about that lousy school Virginia Tech?

sitruc: Speak to Ben Coleman, please stop trying to represent Hokies.
Speak to Ben Coleman is a [In the name of family newspapers, I replace this word with the similar-sounding "Dude."]:Maybe he should represent one of the Vick brothers or some other class act.
Speak to Ben Coleman: Greenberg has owned Gary Williams since VT entered the ACC. VT is currently the superior program and the gap is widening. Maryland would kill to have a player like Michael or Marcus Vick in their mediocre football program. If you eat meat you're no better than Michael Vick so give the dogfighting stuff a rest. As much as I enjoy reading these bitter and jealous responses, I'm going home to my gorgeous wife now.

Good luck with the law career. Send our regards to the wife, Coleman.

Finally, this last comment is so profound that I have no choice but to end with it:

Lendemann: Moderation in all things is wise counsel. If one can hate a basketball team moderately, that is the hatred for which I strive.

Watered-down hatred, anyone?

By Lindsay Applebaum |  March 27, 2008; 11:13 AM ET  | Category:  College Basketball , Maryland
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i sense the terp coming out of you when you gave props to colemans hot wife

Posted by: theraph | March 27, 2008 12:40 PM

What has always bugged me about Coach K is that despite his untold millions, Chevy ads, a f*@$ing seminar for corporate rodents to learn "how the lessons of basketball apply to business" and every other sort of smug success imaginable -- he still feels the need to dye his hair.

I can't trust a man who dyes his hair.

Posted by: Johnny Scrappleseed | March 27, 2008 1:01 PM

Some schools do it the right way, they excel in all areas. Academics, professional schools, men's sports and women's sports. Stanford dominates the director's cup for all around sports excellence. UNC is not far behind, and Duke is representative. Supporters of lesser programs end up shouting, "ABC!" Its just jealousy. However, between Duke and Carolina, there is a special feeling. So I say this with all respect, "Rah Rah Carolina, Go to h..., Duke!"

Posted by: TH71 | March 27, 2008 1:06 PM

I loathe dook so much I've switched insurance providers away from State Farm becuase they're featuring K in a recent TV ad. I also cancelled my American Express card for the same reason after he became their March poster-boy a couple of years ago. Blame it on the moronic Dook Vitale for perpetuating the dook myth.

Posted by: Keith | March 27, 2008 1:47 PM

I don't know if Ben's wife has always been stunningly hot, but I can attest that she was last night.

Thanks, Ben.

Oh, by the way, afterwards she said it felt wonderful to finally be pounded by a big bat.

Posted by: Speak to Ben Coleman's best friend | March 27, 2008 1:58 PM

The U. of Maryland's so-called fans have been paragons of bad behavior for a long time. Forty years ago, the University of South Carolina left the ACC rather than be required to continue playing the Terrapins.

Bags of white powder? I remember knives being thrown at USC basketball players!

(By the way, "USC" stands for University of South Carolina -- since we were founded 75 years before those upstarts on the west coast, we figure we have dibs on the initials.)

Posted by: Gamecock Grad Remembers | March 27, 2008 1:59 PM

I spent three days in a hotel last spring with Mike and Mickey in Buffalo during the tournament. And the entire Duke team. I was there because I am a Terp. The NCAA put both teams in the same hotel. I had many chances to meet both the K's, Scheyer, Paulus, Mcwalksalot, Nelson, Henderson etc.... I will state for the record that not one, and I mean not one Terp player, fan, alumni, player family or coach had anything but respect for the Dookies the night they lost to VCU. We (Terps) had won that day over Davidson and Duke lost to VCU. We all (Duke and Terp folks) were back at the hotel bar drinking 16 oz Molson Red til 4 am. DMark Nelson, his family and Henderson, Paulus and their respective families were in one corner of the hotel bar, obviously glum about their defeat in the Dance earlier that night. I witnessed dozens of Terp families (players coaches and fans)line up to speak to the fallen Devils. EVERYone of them, including me had nothing but respect and nice things to say about the Dookies. It is simply bad karma to wish bad things about our ACC bretheren DURING the Tourney. Coach K went out of his way to be gracious to me and my Terp clad friends during our ironic stay together. Remember:
we hate them because of the MEDIA inspired horseshix about "leader of men, they do it right, floor slapping, on and on and on".

Coach K is a great coach of mens basketball, nothing more and nothing less. Duke has a good team and plays in the ACC. If it was Florida state winning natty's and going to Final 4's every year, we'd give them the business during the games too. But once the horn sounds, it's over.

Posted by: David | March 27, 2008 2:11 PM

That sounds like an absolute nightmare!! I'd have switched hotels...

Posted by: Keith | March 27, 2008 2:14 PM

If the silver-spoon fed All-American's that go to Duke don't realize that they are gonna get booed and hated by Maryland fans then they deserve to get booed for not knowing Duke's reputation.

See they moved you to the blog page - sure does make that page look better.

Posted by: C-Ritch | March 27, 2008 2:18 PM

Yes every one hates duke because they win so much and yet...

Duke hasn't made it past the Sweet Sixteen six out of the last seven years.

They haven't even made it to the Sweet Sixteen the last two years!

If you listened to ESPN and dookie V you would swear that they were in the final four every year.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 27, 2008 2:28 PM

Hey Ben Coleman:

Q. How many NCAA Men's Basketball Championships has Va Tech won?

A. Big fat 0.

I'm sorry, I forgot Va Tech is a football school, not a basketball school. Let me rephrase the question.

Q. How many NCAA Football Championships has Va Tech won?

A. Big fat 0.

Maryland has won both the Men's Basketball Championship and Football Championship, and we can also throw in the Women's Basketball Championship for good measure.

I'm going home now to F@CK, my wife. She just happens to be a high powered Washington attorney, and I'm a high powered Washington doctor.

Yes, my red-neck friend, you have lost said argument.

Posted by: Hey, Ben Coleman | March 27, 2008 2:28 PM

Hey Ben Coleman:

Q. How many NCAA Men's Basketball Championships has Va Tech won?

A. Big fat 0.

I'm sorry, I forgot Va Tech is a football school, not a basketball school. Let me rephrase the question.

Q. How many NCAA Football Championships has Va Tech won?

A. Big fat 0.

Maryland has won both the Men's Basketball Championship and Football Championship, and we can also throw in the Women's Basketball Championship for good measure.

I'm going home now to F@CK my wife. She just happens to be a high powered Washington attorney, and I'm a high powered Washington doctor.

Yes, my red-neck friend, you have lost said argument.

Posted by: Hey, Ben Coleman | March 27, 2008 2:29 PM

David, that was very classy, though I have to say, I don't really think the media perpetuate any Duke stereotypes.

Keith, that was just classic Duke hater. See what I mean? They'll flip anything around. It's brilliant.

Posted by: Lindsay Applebaum | March 27, 2008 6:13 PM

I must have arrived late, because I'm not getting the saga of Ben Coleman's Family Reunion, but I can probably assure that anyone who uses the phrase "I am a high-powered" is not the ______ that comes next, unless that blank is filled with asshat.

I wouldn't want a doctor who got worked into a frothing rage over trivial sports history.

Posted by: Johnny Scrappleseed | March 28, 2008 2:24 AM

Of course there's Duke haters out there. At the same time Duke is clearly the most popular team in the country, at least to the TV audience, otherwise their games would be on ESPN2 or ESPNU, rather than always being on ESPN. Believe me, if someone else outdrew Duke, ESPN would drop them to the secondary channels instantly.

One aspect that columnists don't seem to want to touch is the enormously anti-gay emphasis of many of the Duke haters in the arenas. This goes back to at least the early 90s with Laettner and seemed to peak with Reddick. If these things were said in the student union, the offender would be arrested and probably expelled from school, but it's perfectly all right at the Comcast Center.

Posted by: J Connors | March 28, 2008 10:43 AM

Speak to Ben Coleman

How many final 4's has greenberg been to?

How many championships does he have?

0 and thats how many it will always be.

The football program is nice but you can't even compare the VT basketball program to MD. It is decades behind.

Posted by: Beas | March 28, 2008 1:33 PM

Hey J Connors - kind of a reach on the anti-Gay thing. Plenty of bad stuff is yelled and thrown on the floor of Cameron, all the time. I think most of us Terps would have hated JJ for burying jumpers on us all night regardless of who or what he sleeps with.

Lindsay A : thanks! I will disagree with your sentiment about the media. Two quick examples:

1. This year DURING the game of MD @ Duke, we were blessed with a 3 minute mini drama about the Coach K Hospital/Charity something or other. Very nice, except TV coverage missed 3 possessions in a row, including free throws while Mike Patrick slobbered all over himself.

2. My wife and I have counted 6 games this year where Dickie V was blabbering on and on about how Duke does it right, K really cares, itsa family of men routine, and DUKE WAS NOT PLAYING THE GAME. 4 of the games it wasn't even an ACC game. And that was on Vitale's limited schedule. Who needs to recruit when ESPN does it for you every night, even during Mich St v Indiana??!!?

Posted by: David | March 28, 2008 1:33 PM

Speak to Ben Coleman

Guarantee ur wife isn't hot and if she is I bet she divorces you within the next year b/c you are obviosuly a complete douche bag and a blind homer if you think VT is even close to MD level

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 1:34 PM

I love how everyone acts like MD fans hate duke b/c they domainate us.

We have the more recent championship and before this season in the last 16 we are 8-8 against the. MD fans hate duke b/c of the better than everyone else attitude they put out.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 1:54 PM

Totally agree with David about the media, I've noticed the same thing and it makes me want to throw the remote, kick the dog, claw out my eyes and puncture both eardrums. Of course, it's really just a handful of shills like Patrick and Vitale. The national dislike of dook is a direct result of these morons' offensive drivel, repeated over and over and over. They're horrible and I blame ESPN 100% for allowing them to perpetuate the dook myths...that K is a saint, it's sqeaky-clean program, and the kids are great competitors and sportsmen...not the foul-mouthed, double-standard, flopping, floor-slappers they collectively are. Coack K is the root of the evil, Wojo is his prime minion, and the players should never have crossed to the Dark Side by signing that LOI. It's not their fault, but it was their choice.

p.s. VT has a long way to go to reach UMD, but I loved it when Deron Washington leaped over Paulus' head last year and tea-bagged him on the way to the rack. Classic!

Posted by: Keith | March 28, 2008 3:56 PM

One of the commenters stated that Duke fans threw bags of white powder onto the floor to mock Juan Dixon's parents who were heroin addicts.

I was at all the games Dixon played at Cameron and I never saw this, nor heard about anything like it afterwards.

The Post had a reporter at each of these games, can this allegation be confirmed?

Posted by: J Connors | March 29, 2008 7:25 AM

J Connors-

I cant say I saw white bags of powder on the floor of Cameron, but I saw 5000 condoms when Herman Veal was introduced 24 years ago. I saw pizza boxes when an NC State player who robbed a pizza guy was intro'd. Let alone the cheer sheets. I personally have been assaulted at UVA three times(ice thrown and spit on) during games at the UHall. I have witnessed UVA students cheering "crack head parents" when Dixon warmed up.

Point is simple: I have seen and heard profane stuff at every arena and football stadium I have ever been in. Your comment about Post reporters needed to verify bags of powder thrown in Cameron is either incredibly naive or completely disengenious.

Posted by: David | March 29, 2008 8:56 AM

People don't hate bad teams...they hate the good ones. Methinks that the Terp fans on this board are jealous. If they weren't, they wouldn't have to bad-mouth Duke to make themselves feel better. And if you want to boo, boo ESPN, who is to blame for Duke's overexposure.

Posted by: Fan | March 29, 2008 4:30 PM

Oh yeah, let all the Terps fans bow down and admire the vaunted Virginia Tech basketball program! Let's review its history:

0 National Championships
0 Final Fours
1 Elite Eight
1 Sweet 16
1 win in the round of 32 (6 trips)
0 ACC Tourney Championships
0 ACC Regular season championships

All Gary has is 1 national championship, 2 final fours, and 7 sweet 16s, personally in his career. (The 1967 Elite Eight run by VT was under Greenberg, after all, right?)

I'll bet Gary's CRUSHED!

Posted by: Envious of VT | March 30, 2008 5:45 AM

I'm going to leave vitirol and emotional attacks out of this while explaining the many reasons to hate dook.

1. The fact that the media (especially ESPN) absolutely loves Dook and their basketball team, constantly overrating them and showering them with praise only to express shock that they choke (once again) in the early rounds of the tournament. How many elite eights has dook been to in the past 5 years? But make no mistake, they will be ranked in the top 10 for just about every preseason poll next year.

2. The fact that the media portrays the players as some sort of victim on the court. Have any of them ever been harmed? Has anything escalated past a few mean signs in the stands or fans cursing at them? If that's all it takes to get an hour long special on ESPN then I should have gotten mine back in the 7th grade.

3. The audacity of anyone associated with Dook basketball complaining about rude fans when they play in front of the Cameron Crazies is sickening. This is the student body that threw condoms at Rashad Mccants when a tabloid (falsely) reported that he missed a game due to an STD, the same student section that will pelt overweight centers with twinkies, the same student section that hands out cheer sheets at every game with a list of derogatory, mean, and often classless cheers specifically for the opposing team. If you want to make that your student section then that's fine, but don't dare ask for sympathy later.

Posted by: Brian | April 3, 2008 3:42 PM

I really don't understand the beef some Maryland fans have with the programs at Virginia Tech. It's amazing to me that Maryland's "hatred" for Duke can be interrupted for Virginia Tech. I guess that goes along with Duke fans who question "what rivalry?" Maryland and Tech are much more similar right now than many want to acknowledge. I'm not here to argue. I didn't on the Bog and this post is obviously just to gain hits by rehashing a weak argument on another blog. The only reason I commented is because I was surprised to see one of my comments in the post. Best of wishes to the Terps and Hokies in all they do. The ACC and the DMV are lucky to have those schools representing Maryland and the Commonwealth.

Posted by: sitruc | April 3, 2008 3:56 PM

You all hate SO MUCH, why not try puttin a good team out year in and year out like we do! Ya we deff swept Maryland! Think about that befor you open your fu*&in mouth! Duke is elite, and will forever be one of the most succesful basketball programs in History. FINALLY we have the coach who has the ALL TIME WIN RECORD in the NCAA Tourney. WHen Gary Williams can win a quarter of the games Coach K has call me that will be what 50 years??? yaaa so screw MD,UNC!! Duke Basketball-"Simply The Best"

Posted by: GO DUKE | April 8, 2008 10:33 PM

Brian, you have no idea what the F*&^ you are talkin about...I bet you are a Maryland fan? U HAVE TO BE callin us overated year in and year out...you have NO ARGUMENT. How about Maryland get in the position to "choke" AND talkin about choke... you remember 2001??!!! "The Miracle Minute" UP 10 w/ 52 seconds left and losin the lead...what the F&^% do u call that??You are just a jelaous HATER simple as that! MD has the WORST fans who are pieces of SHI$ NO JOKE, I was there in 2004 when the student body was chanting "F U JJ" ya he dropped 36 that night, shut them up. The media tells it how it is, we are at the top year in and year out...how about you all strive for JUST making the NCAA Tournament 27 years in row like we have...that will NEVER happen its called a "choke" when Duke fails to make it past the sweet 16 or elite 8? What is Duke some super power? They are HUMAN, they can get upset just like anyone else. I laughed at what you said what a WASTE of time, just plain jelaousy....thats all it is so yaa try makin the NCAA Tournament befor you talk shit about Duke...OR contince to lose in the Not In Tournament, which Maryland is FAR to familar with doing

Posted by: GO DUKE | April 8, 2008 10:39 PM

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