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D.C. Council Votes 12-1 to Recognize Other States' Gay Marriages

UPDATE 2: After further debate, a second vote was taken, with D.C. Council member Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) deciding to vote against the proposal. The final count is 12-1 in favor of recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states. Read the full story.

UPDATE: D.C. Council member Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) has now asked that the gay marriage bill be reconsidered. He didn't realize what he was voting on before.

(Clarification: During an interview after the vote, Barry said it was inaccurate to say above that he didn't know what he was voting on. He said he walked away during the vote. But Council records indicate he was present because the vote was recorded 13-0).

He just gave a speech saying he is going to vote against it so it won't be unanimous vote. The council is now debating the bill.

Original post:

Washington Post reporter Tim Craig relays that the D.C. Council has voted 13-0, without debate, to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. Watch D.C. Wire for updates.

The approved law was added as an amendment to another bill, and can be seen on the second page of that bill's text (.pdf).

If Congress does not intervene, council member David A. Catania (I-At Large) has said that he will introduce a separate bill this year to allow same-sex marriages to be performed in the District.

The positioning comes amid uncertainty about whether the same-sex marriage question could eventually land before District voters.

A Washington Post-ABC News poll conducted last month found that 49 percent of voters nationwide support the legalization of same-sex marriage. But among African Americans, 51 percent opposed legalizing same-sex marriage and 42 percent supported it. According to the census, 55 percent of District residents are African American.

Attorney Mark Levine said his analysis of District law found that the same-sex marriage question cannot be put before voters. He noted that local election law forbids a vote on a matter that violates the District's Human Rights Act. The act states that the government cannot "limit or refuse to provide any facility, service, program, or benefit" to any individual on the basis of sexual orientation.

"It seems pretty clear to me," Levine said.

But others are warning advocates that they need to prepare for the possibility of voter involvement at some point.

"I don't think it works for us to try to artificially try to put it in the Human Rights Act," said council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), a supporter of gay marriage. "I have told the GLBT community that they have to make sure there is the public support for this. . . . If there is not, we can try all the maneuvering we want and still be in trouble."

By Christopher Dean Hopkins  |  May 5, 2009; 11:11 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. Council , Tim Craig  
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Comments

BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!!!

UNANIMOUS VOTE!!!!

Posted by: alarico | May 5, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Fantastic for DC, fantastic for the USA!

Keep the momentum going folks, let's overturn the unconstitutional civil rights stripping Prop 8! It contradicts with the body of the original CA Constitution's equal protection guarantee, and an amendment should NOT contradict any articles of the original constitution!

Then, NY & NJ, and next year--Maryland!

Posted by: DouginMountVernon | May 5, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Good job, DC Council, recognizing that the move is about justice, not the obsession with sex acts found among the Religious Wrong.

Posted by: bigolpoofter | May 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The Council has exorcised the demons of bigotry and hatred. Now if some backbones can snap into place in Congress and reject the rabid right's intimidation. Stand up. It's way past time for equality. Way to go DC Council!

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | May 5, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

AWESOME!!!! WAY TO GO DC!!!!

woot woot!

Posted by: jromaniello | May 5, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I bet those right-wingers are positively apoplectic about this. They can't banter about those horrible "judicial activists" anymore! Thanks to VT, NH, ME, NY, NJ, and now DC they'll be singing "damn legislative activists!" but not one of them is going to lose re-election--you watch.

Posted by: DouginMountVernon | May 5, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

So, if it passed 13-0, Marion Barry voted for it. Wasn't it just a week or so ago that he was opposed?

I'm delighted with the outcome, just perplexed.

Posted by: marza | May 5, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

BRAVA!!!!!

There need NOT be so much fear!!!

Keep up the momentum

Posted by: barbaraosullivan | May 5, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow. The DC Council actually did something smart. Good for them.

Posted by: brianrw00 | May 5, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

D.C. is going to recognize same-sex that was performed in other states?

What a bunch of voyeurs.

Posted by: jdcw | May 5, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Funny that it was voted on and it didn't go the way expected to then they make it a legal issue... What if people did that with other issues

Posted by: WhatBubble | May 5, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that the government (local or federal) should make this decision. I think the decision should be up to the American citizens from their individual states that vote.

Posted by: jcrab2 | May 5, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, DC! This is great news for hundreds of thousands of families like mine across our great nation! Maybe we can put an end to our children's suffering caused by heavy-handed bigotry thus far. And I agree, those that vote for equality will be reelected - wait and see! The time has come to ensure equality for ALL Americans! Bravo DC!

Posted by: drday16 | May 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Bravo; D.C. joined all the other IDIOTS, WELCOME to the idiotic world !!!!

Posted by: herbster40 | May 5, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Excellent, bravo and fantastic!! It's nice to see we finally have a government that uses commonsense and inables the American people to use their rights!! Way to go Obama...

Posted by: debusdiane55 | May 5, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Barry is an idiot. This issue aside, I feel remorse for the people who are represented by him.

Posted by: acasey2 | May 5, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

What the world needs now, is love, sweet love, that's the only thing, that there's just too little of...

Indeed perhaps this will be remembered as the Age of Hope, when we began to turn back and disassemble to fortress of bigotry and intolerance forever.

Thank you DC Council!

Posted by: thelastpictureshow | May 5, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Barry, wake up! you missed a chance to be a bigot.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | May 5, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

This is great news... Keeping my fingers crossed for Congress to see the light of day...

Posted by: hurst_mich | May 5, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, Barry is now changing his vote...thank goodness someone on this council has some religious upbringing and knows the difference between living a decent life and living a sinful lifestyle. Beside, if they were so all fired in favor of this, why didn't they approve it for the district?

Posted by: tlalbert | May 5, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think that the government (local or federal) should make this decision. I think the decision should be up to the American citizens from their individual states that vote."

What does that even mean? The DC City Council is our de facto state government elected by American citizens.

Posted by: cmcc | May 5, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute... wasn't Barry claiming that he wasn't present for the first vote because of his transplant operation???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo111P32te0

Posted by: MrDarwin | May 5, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations D.C.

As married interracial European-U.S. couple residing in The Netherlands we notice with pleasure that
the US is moving forward. Congratulations
D.C.!

Posted by: parkzoom | May 5, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

This is so wrong. If we were supposed to be with the same sex individual than we would be able to reproduce that way, but we are not able to. Look at the great civilizations of the past Roman empire, Greece to name a couple that have excepted this unnatural act. It weakend their society and eventually led to their down fall.

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Marriage is sacred, and that word and its' meaning has been changed to accomodate same sex partners. What is our world coming to? The world is so confusing as it is, let's confuse it some more for our children and offend GOD and those that wish to live our lives according to his word.

Posted by: nancynsanchez | May 5, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

a large part of this country is going to be in for a very rude awaking come judgement day. a lack of morals will be the death of our society much like it has been for all the other great empires. And this vote in D.C. is just yet another nail in the coffin

Posted by: usaII | May 5, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

kinda makes you wonder what else marion bary voted on that he did not understand!

Posted by: stewartsx2 | May 5, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm very disappointed with the D.C. council. Approving this will only lead us to a worse situation. What comes next?

Posted by: LECL | May 5, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

So which is worse: Marion Barry claiming that he voted to approve something even though he didn't know what he was voting for or that Marion Barry sees himself as the defender of the sanctity of marriage? I assume his definition of the sanctity of marriage includes hookers and Crack.

Posted by: chibbs2000 | May 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Parkzoom, isn't the Netherlands were the drugs and prostitution are legal? If that is moving forward I'm so glad you are there.

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Despite it rhetorical: Why is Marion Barry not marched out of the city even still? Snort another line, Mr. Barry.

Posted by: akethan | May 5, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This is a great day for equality, justice, and human rights. Marriage is not, and has never been, solely a religious act.

Posted by: dcheretic | May 5, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Once again, Marion Barry has proved himself to be a complete idiot.

Posted by: jak4g | May 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

This is a Great way to Destroy the United States.
This has to be a Tatic being used against our nation to dismantle our nation.
If it can't be done through violent terrorism, then use the Tactic of Destroying the Fabric of Family and Civilization as we have come to know.

These same sex people may be tolerated in our world as they are, but they should not be given the rights and privileges of normal marriage. We must make sure they do not have any rights what-so-ever in raising any children.

Posted by: SOCIETY1 | May 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

fr bc11:

>This is so wrong. If we were supposed to be with the same sex individual than we would be able to reproduce that way, but we are not able to....<

There are MANY straight couples who for whatever reason, decided to remain child-free. Would you deny them the RIGHT to be married, just because YOU want them to "reproduce"? How sad.

It's the same with glbt couples. Why would you deny them the RIGHT to marry?

Posted by: Alex511 | May 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm very disappointed with the D.C. council. Approving this will only lead us to a worse situation. What comes next?

Posted by: LECL | May 5, 2009 11:46 AM

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How about Congressional votes in the House and Senate?

Posted by: johng1 | May 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like Marion is back on the pipe.

Posted by: Blue_Moose | May 5, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Barry is such a tool. Now he wants a revote so can represent for those so-called religious bigots-who-should-know-better.

Didn't 100 or so of those hypocrites hold a rally last week? Maybe if gay-marriage is so hurtful to them they should consider switching to the Republican party. They might not get much respect considering their skin color, but at least they could hone their bigotry skills a the feet of the "masters."

Posted by: bigbrother1 | May 5, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

The "update" needs to be clarified. It implies Barry voted for the bill, but if so, when and how? He says he wasn't present for the vote on April 6 and the original story on the vote confirms this. (It notes that the vote was unanimous, 12-0, but with Barry not present.)

Posted by: MrDarwin | May 5, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Well, Barry is now changing his vote...thank goodness someone on this council has some religious upbringing and knows the difference between living a decent life and living a sinful lifestyle. Posted by: tlalbert"

(Grin) You do know the definition of "irony," right? I think that the idea that a convicted crackhead is somehow the epitome of "living a decent life" must be hard to espouse with a straight face...But then again, you probably voted for George Dubya "life is sacred, except when I'm laughing at those who don't want to die in the electric chair" Bush...

Posted by: jehovahjones | May 5, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Thank goodness we have people like Marion Barry to lecture us about right and wrong.

Posted by: Tukla | May 5, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Lololol..."He didn't realize what he was voting on..."

God, only in DC could this tax cheating idiot still hold public office.

Posted by: _virginian_ | May 5, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

The devil is deceiving the very elect of GOD...JESUS is on the theshold and will crack that sky any moment and call HIS church home to be with HIM.....Hallelujah what a day that will be!

Posted by: rowens2 | May 5, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Though I am against Gay Marriage, I have to give the gay groups credit, you have alot of pull when it comes to DC politics. I can't wait to see whats next!!!

Posted by: Papasp8@yahoo.com | May 5, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

A vote for lasting love, stability, and equal rights under the law. Hooray for DC!

Posted by: trace1 | May 5, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Live and let live. Why do same sex marriage/civil unions bother so many? How does the fact that people who are in committed relationships are allowed to marry, to demonstrate their commitment to those around them, and to receive the same benefits hetero married couples get, bother you exactly? Does it impact anything in your daily life? Doubtful.

Posted by: Laura118 | May 5, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

BRAVO! EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: NYC-INDEPENDENT1664 | May 5, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line, it is a civil rights issue, and one that cannot be decided by the majority. If majority opinion ruled, there would be no voting rights for blacks or women. There would be laws against biracial marriages still on the books. You can't open up the can of civil rights and pick and choose who they apply to. And to those " Christians" out there barking about sinful lifestyle, judging whether the lifestyle of two consenting adult human beings is "sinful" isn't your job, remember? That's what Jesus and God do, not you.

Posted by: katem1 | May 5, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

@ nancysanchez:

"Marriage is sacred, and that word and its' meaning has been changed to accomodate same sex partners. What is our world coming to? The world is so confusing as it is, let's confuse it some more for our children and offend GOD and those that wish to live our lives according to his word."
_________________________________
I doubt God is offended by any of the people He made in His image -- except, possibly by bigots like you.

Posted by: debbieqd | May 5, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Yes, it pays to find yourself on the CORRECT side of history, Council members!

Posted by: ricirick | May 5, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I find it extremely scary when legislatures are caught voting for bills they have never even read. :-(

Posted by: drday16 | May 5, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Blessed be God who changes the times and seasons. Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord!

Posted by: Shirlron | May 5, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Way to jump the gun, WashPost - the original update was at 11:11 claiming a vote when, by 11:45, no vote had yet occurred. Great reporting there.

Posted by: legalmoose | May 5, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

lol, I just had a "vision" of Hollywood tough guy Edward G Robinson casting the golden calf and everyone dancing wildly around (and having a good time, I must say). Go golden calf!

Posted by: johng1 | May 5, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"If we were supposed to be with the same sex individual than we would be able to reproduce that way"

Good to know you don't believe in things like "love" or "companionship". Marriage is all about pumping out babies. I'm sorry that you have a sad and restricted life, but making other miserable won't help you. Try to do something constructive for yourself, rather than tearing others down to your level.

Posted by: Tukla | May 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

C'mon come through, NEW YORK, NEW YORK!!

What are we waiting for?

Posted by: ra37 | May 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

It makes you wonder how many times Barry has voted on a bill without realizing what he was voting for! He is an embarrassment to this city.

Posted by: capitalist1 | May 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Papasp8:

Though I am against Gay Marriage, I have to give the gay groups credit, you have alot of pull when it comes to DC politics. I can't wait to see whats next!!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No, Papasp8, we have a lot of pull when it comes to justice. That's why over the past decade support for same-sex marriage nationally has grown by 15 percentage points and opposition has declined by the same amount.

Posted by: uh_huhh | May 5, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

You know that our Whole Nation is getting Sicker by the moment, right?

Soon, those who are not Sick will be Forced to Flee from our Nation just to breathe and live.

What was that movie? The human beings appeared to be doomed by the Sickness carrying zombies with no where to run?

Posted by: SOCIETY1 | May 5, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

This seems consistent with "equal protection under the law".

Posted by: richard13423 | May 5, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

For Alex511

You are correct that straight couples marry and some decide not to have children but you said it they decided not to have children. Biology decided for the gays. If they want to live together so be it but they should not be able to get married. You are correct when I think a married couple should reproduce because that is going to keep the United States strong and out of the hands of people that think anything is okay.

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I am sadden to read the news about the passage of this passage of the D.C. council and the impact it may have on other states. God made Adam and Eve in His image in the garden, not Adam and Steve or Helen and Karen and brought them together in marriage. I don't applaud the D.C. council nor their decision on this issue.

Posted by: wmaclean | May 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Hallelujah what a day that will be!"

You're pretty excited for someone whose plainly sinful pride will prevent them from being in that group.

Personally, I'd love it if all the bigots got raptured away, but I know that it won't happen. Getting rid of bigotry will require lots of time, hard work, and education, and will almost certainly never be fully successful.

Posted by: Tukla | May 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Has Barry now become senile on top of everything else?

Posted by: seaduck2001 | May 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Excellent news!

Posted by: sarahabc | May 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Great news! The D. C. Council did the right thing by people!!

Posted by: jaynashvil | May 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm delighted to see DC take this action, and I hope that DC goes forward to legalize same-sex marriage completely. To me, this is a simple matter of justice and human rights. Marriage can be a wonderfully supportive, affirming, and enduring way to live in harmony with the person you love and are committed to, and no one should be denied that opportunity on the basis of their sexual orientation. I'm so happy to see the tide finally turning this way.

Incidentally, I'm a 51-year-old hetereosexual woman, mom/step-mom of five. This isn't about me; it's about what's right for everyone.

Posted by: annbw | May 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

:) !!!

Posted by: ladyfromphila | May 5, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

DouginMountVernon - you want to live in your preverted fantasyland, be my guest, but not everyone wants too.

Over my dead body will you infect my Maryland.

Posted by: memyselfI1 | May 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Gay marriage is a civil rights issue. Equal rights for all Americans, that's what the Constitution is about. It's taken us a while to fulfill it: first women, then blacks, and now glbt people.

Posted by: AJBF | May 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Bah, it was published first that the vote was 13-0 and then Mayor Crackhead had to go and spoil things.

PS - Keep your Adam and Eve and Images out of my Government

Posted by: alarico | May 5, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

debbieqd - no it's BIGOTS like you that live in a perverted fantasy world while real people, real men and real women live in a real world that real marriage is a real one man and a real one woman.

Posted by: memyselfI1 | May 5, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

May the golden calf devour Marion Barry. Go calf!

Let us pray: God created the golden calf in his image. He is not a good looking God, but he wants you to have a bichin' good time.

Posted by: johng1 | May 5, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

usaII, why bother! When judgement day comes, you can go to heaven and let the gays go to hell. You will have enough room for yourself and more cakes to eat! Ha ha ha!

Posted by: embobi | May 5, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I support "Civil Rights" for all U.S. citizens, but I don't support gay marriage between members of the same sex. I support "Civil Unions" for gays and lesbians. On the issue of At-Large D.C. Councilmember David Catania, I can't stand the ground he walks on. He's a mean spirited "PUNK". It's time for David Catania to be voted off the Council of the District of Columbia and it's not for his being gay, but for his being a nasty surly human being to others. It's always David Catania's way or the highway.


WARD 4 DC VOTER

Posted by: Ward4DC | May 5, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"Biology decided for the gays."

Ah, another person who thinks that fertility tests should be mandatory before allowing marriage. Okay, boys and girls, fill these cups.

Do postmenopausal women get "grandfathered" in, so to speak, or will they be required to divorce? Will homosexual men and women who have had children get to marry after all? Since reproductive capacity is what's important, I assume that more than two people can get married as well.

Don't be shy! You're the one who wants to change the modern basis of marriage, so go for it! Me, I'm old fashioned. I think people should marry for love. But if you all want to make marriage about sex and making babies, then that's your choice. I look forward to watching you tell your children that marriage is for sex having babies, and that's it.

Posted by: Tukla | May 5, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I think is it funny that Marion Barry claims to have a moral compass. I guess tax evasion, crack smoking and three divorces later is the epitome of living a decent life.

Posted by: Coopers_mama | May 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Ditto: I am sadden to read the news about the passage of this passage of the D.C. council and the impact it may have on other states. God made Adam and Eve in His image in the garden, not Adam and Steve or Helen and Karen and brought them together in marriage. I don't applaud the D.C. council nor their decision on this issue.

Posted by: jokann2 | May 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

This is so wrong. If we were supposed to be with the same sex individual than we would be able to reproduce that way, but we are not able to. Look at the great civilizations of the past Roman empire, Greece to name a couple that have excepted this unnatural act. It weakend their society and eventually led to their down fall.

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 11:44 A
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

YOU weaken our society and have already led to this country's downfall. STFU

This is the best news!!!

Posted by: dematheart | May 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's see waht the House
(Congress) does on this matter. Because of our "Colonial Status"
the Congress exercises oversight over the District's Laws/affairs..
Lets hope that all of you who are in support of the DC Council's action on this matter dont forget us when it come to FULL VOting Rights for the District. That is VOTING Representation in the HOuse for our Representative. SO when this and other issues concerning the District come up she can vote in support of the District that she represents.

Posted by: Carprin | May 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

For Tukla

You are correct when you say I like to make babies, most men do. But as for love and companionship I know more about it than most my age. I just turned 40 and I have been married for 21 years so please tell me what I don't know about love or companionship. My wife, who by the way is female just to make that clear to you, is very supportive of all beliefs and life styles. As for making others miserable what do you think the gays have done. They are the ones who introduced HIV to society, yes the drug users are affected also but they were on their way out anyway. Don't talk to me about being miserable, I have my straight family, my straight kids, and my straight freinds to associate with. You can go off to the corner and associate with your friends because in 100 years my family line will be strong, where will yours be?

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Way to lead, DC! Right on!

Posted by: davidcastilloiii | May 5, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The Bible prophesied about this exact moment...it's clear that history is moving in the right direction of those who really fear God and await the day He will rid the earth of all that is wrong on it.

Posted by: cbmuzik | May 5, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Marion Barry is a complete moron crack head embarrassment to the residents of Washington, D.C. We can laugh at him, but in the end, it's the people that he represents that are put at a disadvantage and that is unacceptable.


Posted by: alexg1 | May 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord!"

Apparently, your Lord is all about vengeance!

My Lord is all about LOVE.

Great job, DC Council!

Posted by: DouginMountVernon | May 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear from the "separate but equal" brigade, Ward 4 DC Voter. Perhaps you can explain to me why, exactly, you need two different versions of civil unions, one for straights and one for gays, unless you intend for them to not be equal?

Posted by: Tukla | May 5, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I have GREAT news for "memyselfI1"

Guess what dude!? I've MOVED TO MD!!!

Get ready for my big quest for marriage equality in the FREE STATE!!

Peace!

Posted by: DouginMountVernon | May 5, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The golden calf god is the most bestest god of all. Support your local calf worshiping center. Donations are tax deductible!

Now let's move on to Statehood DC!

Posted by: johng1 | May 5, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"so please tell me what I don't know about love or companionship."

Hey, you're the one who doesn't think the homosexual couples should be able to get married, so obviously love and companionship take a back seat in your mind. If that's not true, and what you really mean is that you are selfish boar, and as long as you get yours, everyone else can burn, then just say so.

Posted by: Tukla | May 5, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

There are a number of posts here from very overtly religious people who are opposed to this vote. They are saying it is moral decay, against God, etc. First of all I would ask them, as a follower of Jesus, what part of allowing one person to give what they have to another in case they pass on is sinful? And then I would ask where in the Bible it says we are to sit in judgment of others in accordance to a Law that was completed and then nailed to a cross and died? And to those "patriots" who see all this as our national undoing, I ask where in our Constitution it proclaims that we are to make the state the moralizing arm of our personal religious beliefs? Instead, it clearly separates church and state. And even if that were so, which it isn't, if we are doing unto others as we would have them do unto us then we would first of all butt out of other people's lives, as that is what we all want from one another anyway. Let each person follow God according to their own conscience, not their fundamentalist neighbor's who is still lost in Old Testament law imposed on them. This is still a free country, I pray. Let's keep it that way.

Posted by: davelipscomb | May 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"where will yours be?"

By the way, nice assumption that I'm gay and childless. Unlike you, I can sympathize with people who aren't like me. Well, except for bigots, so I can't sympathize with you specifically.

Posted by: Tukla | May 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I have to say that I completely agree with Laura118. I am American, but I do not live in the USA. I am living abroad now. I moved away five years ago. For everyone in the United States let me just enlighten you with this note: We represent the free country, the land of opportunity, the safe home for everyone who does not feel safe, and feels unwanted. Unfortunately, I am only seeing hatred between all of you. I know that some are religious, and they have the right to be. But understand that the bible says to love one another despite the differences between each other. I am not seeing that. You need to love each other despite all of your differences, or our country will always be devided. Try and be more open. You can only spell 'love' (the correct way)one way in the English Language... it is really nice to see other people happy. Don't punish those who are homosexual because of your opinions. As the public, it is our obligation to represent the United States with open mindedness... otherwise we would just be contradicting what we claim we do. I am doing that abroad. Being open minded to represent the United States as what it claims to be... why don't you join me by starting with this? It's the best way to open your minds as well as represent your home. :)

Posted by: RMgirl | May 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I suspect, there are more gay and lesbian D.C. Councilmembers living in the closet that supported this legislation.

Posted by: Ward4DC | May 5, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I say we also eliminate legal tax evasion that churches enjoy here in the District. I've had enough of their meddling in our government.

Posted by: johng1 | May 5, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the debate is mostly between civil rights and religious beliefs. Isn't there something to be said for "the traditional institution of marriage?" I mean, like it's worked for 5000 years or so. Why do we have to change it? There are so many loopholes and possibilities in United States law. What's so terrible about Civil Unions?

Posted by: jacktar2001 | May 5, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I believe everyone should be entitled to be happy with whomever they want and most Gay's I believe have a life long journey trying to be accepted, but it is hard to accept and side step astonishment when redefining a institute that is a core foundation for this nation and abroad. Family I believe is about a group that hold enduring value towards one another which can include parties such as animals and males and females or even same sex relationships, but sorry a husband (male) and wife (female) is a marriage and that is 2+2 that equals 4 no matter if you add forwards or backward absolute is absolute. Democracy is the only way to resolve this issue, let the people vote!!!!

Posted by: perspective4 | May 5, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

jacktar2001 asked: "Why do we have to change it?"

You don't. Just let everyone participate in it.

Don't you get it? That actually STRENGTHENS the institution. It won't be weakened one bit.

All human beings deserve the same rights for the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness. Can you not see how wrong your opposition to this is?

Even if you consider your own religious beliefs, can you not see that more and more religious people, and religious denominations ACCEPT, CONDONE, and BLESS same-sex unions? If you deny their right do so with full equality in the law, you are breaking our national creed of "make no law respecting the establishment of religion" which is called The First Amendment.

Is that not also sacred?

Posted by: DouginMountVernon | May 5, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Tukla

You are correct that I made an assumption, am I wrong? As for being borish I can't answer that because that is an opinion of others to state that know me. I know from experience that there are a few out there that are married, to the opposite sex, and still prefer the same sex so marriage means absolutley nothing to them. It amazes me to hear that being gay is a genetic thing because that would mean that we have always had it and it could become prdominate. Until recently in the US we didn't have that many gays out in the open. I'll tell you why, because of it being in the news and on talk shows the population is being brainwashed into thinking that this is okay. This is not okay and anybody that says it is has mental issues that should be evaluated.

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"Democracy is the only way to resolve this issue, let the people vote!!!!"
Posted by: perspective4 | May 5, 2009 12:40 PM

Um...the people *did* vote. We voted for the members of the council, who just voted on this legislation. That's the way democracy works. Of course, a legislature comprised entirely of people we did *not* vote for now gets to review the legislation (assuming our elected mayor signs it, as he has indicated he will)...and if the decide to, they can throw it out. That is *NOT* the way democracy works.

Heck, they don't even care if something was voted on via ballot initiative: Congress threw out our medical marijuana vote. That, also, is *NOT* the way democracy works...though I wonder how many people from outside of DC who are complaining about today's vote really care about Congress throwing out our medical marijuana law...

Posted by: EdTheRed | May 5, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Until recently in the US we didn't have that many gays out in the open. I'll tell you why, because of it being in the news and on talk shows the population is being brainwashed into thinking that this is okay. This is not okay and anybody that says it is has mental issues that should be evaluated."

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 12:53 PM

No, until recently society stigmatized and intimidated gays and lesbians to the extent that, for most, the closet was the only option. And a sad, lonely option it was.

Posted by: EdTheRed | May 5, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

For EdTheRed

What they really knew was that it was wrong and were ashamed to let people know what they were. By the way, that time frame that you are accussing is the time when the United States was at its greatest and there was a reason for it. That reason was Morality and know what was right and wrong.

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"

For EdTheRed

What they really knew was that it was wrong and were ashamed to let people know what they were. By the way, that time frame that you are accussing is the time when the United States was at its greatest and there was a reason for it. That reason was Morality and know what was right and wrong.

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 1:21 PM "

Yeah, those were good times. Slavery, no women voting, and then Jim Crow and Prohibition...yep. Good times. And so much better because gays and lesbians were afraid of letting anyone know their sexual orientation.[/sarcasm]

Posted by: EdTheRed | May 5, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Same sex marriages are morally wrong. Read Genesis. God instituted marriage between male (Adam) and female (Eve). May God have mercy on all your souls. Those allowing this to take place and those actually going through this act.

Posted by: KimberlyBailey-Brown | May 5, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

EdTheRed

I'm glad to see we agree on something, that the United States was at its best then.

Posted by: bc11 | May 5, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

DouginMountVernon - there is already marriage EQUALITY called 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN.

Accept it and get on with your life and leave everyone else alone.

BTW, to answer your vengence comment: I have no vengence since it is of God's to determine.

Another BTW, Mt. Vernon is in VIRGINIA, not Md.

Posted by: memyselfI1 | May 5, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Marriage is a civil contract defined and recognized by the STATE. There is no good reason why my partner and I, together for 26 years, should be denied the right to have that partnership legally recognized. In all other respects we are a married couple: we live together, take care of each other, own a house and other property and assets together, pay property taxes on that house, have joint income (and shared expenses) from rental property, joint credit cards and bank accounts, etc. (And that's without having children--many of our gay friends are raising kids together.)

Doing our taxes last month and having to split everything up between two tax returns--income, expenses, mortgage interest, property taxes, depreciation, etc.--drove home just how meshed our lives are, and how little sense it makes to treat us as two individuals who are legally unrelated.

We have done everything we can, legally, to recognize our relationship: house co-ownership, wills, powers of attorney, etc. and we still can't be certain that if one of us is in a hospital in Virginia or virtually any other state, that we'll be able to make medical decisions for each other or even VISIT.

Posted by: MrDarwin | May 5, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Like I already said; MARRIAGE is already EQUAL - 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN. Period. Can't comprehend this simple concept, seek marital counseling from a REAL counselor - ie someone who believes in REAL marriage of 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN.

Posted by: memyselfI1 | May 5, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with love among brothers and sisters. In the beginning the law of marriage was made between man and women because a union was to be formed. It was made so that life on this earth could reproduce. The marriage bond was so that man and women can continue to produce life on the earth raising their children. It's ok for you to love one another. It's ok that you want to share a bond with the mate of your choice, but it should not be a constitutional right. Because of what the marriage law was founded on, everything has a purpose, sex is something that we do regardless of how we do it, but the beauty of sex is when you can present after the pleasure in which we all can share which is the joy of life which can only be produced by a man and a women. No harm intended. Just fact.

Posted by: Gloria_Love | May 5, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

YEAH DC! Thank you for doing what is RIGHT and JUST! Now my husband and I will be protected under the law when we move to DC for his job at the end of the year. Our children and our family are protected.

Thank you!

Posted by: giusalamone | May 5, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Ouch! this so saddens me - America once such a blessed and protected nation (by God,for honouring and living in His ways) now moving further and further away, is asking for and will get severe judgement. What a fall. Oh God, have mercy....

Posted by: bohmsplace | May 5, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Since no one is talking about religious marriages here (this is civil marriage we're talking about) how about any of you religious wackos try making an argument against same sex unions that doesn't involve your hate-mongering religion?

We tried mixing religion and government once - we now call it the Dark Age.

Posted by: nolageek | May 5, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Craig, did Councilmember Barry actually say "I did not know what I was voting on," or did he say "I move to reconsider"? Careful, it is an important distinction.

If Barry just moved to reconsider, and you incorrectly assumed or inferred that he did not know what he was voting on, your slip might be showing.

Are you SURE he did not know what he was voting on the first vote, or IS IT POSSIBLE he chose to vote "yes" initially in order to force a debate on the gay rights amendment? I wasn't there, so I have to rely on your scupulously accurate report of what actually happened.

Before you start flapping your jaws ignorantly, however, read your Robert's Rules of Order, particularly the fatal final 8 words that follow: "The motion to reconsider can be made while any other question is before the assembly, and even while another has the floor, or after it has been voted to adjourn, provided the assembly has not been declared adjourned. It can be moved only on the day, or the day after, the vote which it is proposed to reconsider was taken, and by one who voted with the prevailing side."

The motion to reconsider is not debatable.

So, in order to force a debate on the underlying amendment on gay marriage, Barry had to vote yes (be "on the prevailing side") then move to reconsider. He could not get a debate any other way. I DID notice in the article that the other 12 members of the Council intended to pass the amendment WITHOUT debate, the chickens. So what Barry did may have been the only parliamentary move available to him to force all the scaredycats out into the open.

Again, if you want to make an outrageous charge against Barry, prove it. Did Barry say something you can quote here that is an indisputable admission he did not know what he was voting on, or did he simply ask to reconsider? Or both?

Posted by: Trulee | May 5, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Trulee: I don't think it's very chicken to expect that such basic rights be granted without debate. 25 years from now many people will be ashamed that gay rights were even questioned at one point.

Remember, it took "renegade judges" to make it possible for President Obama's parents to be married just less than 50 years ago.

I think it's ironic that many of the people demanding that equal rights not be given to gays and lesbians because of what's said in their bible, were at one time considered 3/5th a person --- and back then the we used the same bible to justify that.

They say hindsight is always 20/20 - if only more people would open their eyes in the present.

Posted by: nolageek | May 6, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

fr bc11:

>...If they want to live together so be it but they should not be able to get married...<

And just why not, pray tell? I am a gay Christian woman who married my lovely WIFE last year, and we are VERY happy in our LEGAL MARRIAGE.

Posted by: Alex511 | May 6, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

fr bc11:

>I'm glad to see we agree on something, that the United States was at its best then.<

Oh yeah, it was REAL good. That was domestic violence being swept under the rug, kids being molested by "nice Uncle Charlie" or "nice Mr. Smith" and nobody believing them. Spousal abuse because "well, she 'deserved' it" and "it's not OUR problem, it's the neighbor's problem".

Get a clue, get educated, and grow UP.

Posted by: Alex511 | May 6, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

fr memyselfl1:

>Like I already said; MARRIAGE is already EQUAL - 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN. Period. Can't comprehend this simple concept, seek marital counseling from a REAL counselor - ie someone who believes in REAL marriage of 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN. <

No, Marriage Equality is all people, glbt or straight, having the RIGHT to marry the legal, unattached, consenting, adult of OUR choice.

Consult your local PFLAG chapter for more clarification, or go to www.pflag.org. It's a terrific organization, filled with the FACTS about glbts.

Posted by: Alex511 | May 6, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

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