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Is election a referendum on Rhee?

Chancellor Michelle A. Rhee's future is now officially and certifiably up in the air.

D.C. Council Chairman Vincent C. Gray, who finally entered the mayoral race Tuesday, says he'll decide on appointments when -- or if -- he is elected. Developer R. Donahue Peebles, edging toward running after edging away from it, has already been all over the place on the issue. He told WTOP's Mark Plotkin within the space of a single December interview that she's in and that she's out. In an interview that same month with my colleague Bob McCartney, he said that Rhee could stay but only if she made what he called "personality adjustments."

Rhee's sole reliable supporter in the field is Mayor Adrian M. Fenty, the man who brought her to town in 2007. Rhee has frequently said that it will probably take two mayoral terms to truly overhaul the school system. That second term is now in question, and her record is likely to be a major issue in this campaign. While there is encouraging news on test scores (up) and enrollment (flat and no longer hemorrhaging), Fenty and Rhee have seen their approval ratings slide down parallel paths. People like the changes, but many apparently find the change agents themselves less appealing.

Gray's base of support rests in the city's older African-American middle class that has its roots deep in the D.C. school system and its teaching corps. Many are furious with what they regard as Rhee's lack of respect for veteran teachers, and her decision to lay off more than 200 educators last fall.

Gray voted for the legislation placing DCPS in Fenty's hands, and led the Council in confirming the mayor's selection of Rhee. But their relationship has not been an easy one, punctuated by a series of contentious oversight hearings, including one last fall examining her decision to lay off teachers for what Rhee said were budgetary reasons. Gray found her handling of the matter -- which included hiring hundreds of teachers in the summer before the cutbacks -- "cavalier" and "disingenuous." Privately, he has been exasperated by what he regards as her tin ear for politics and press relations, including the infamous Time magazine broom cover.

Still, should Gray actually win in September, both he and Rhee stand to lose by parting company. Gray would face criticism from school reform advocates, locally and nationally, who like Rhee. He could also find private foundations less willing to invest their millions in D.C. schools with someone else in the chancellor's office.

But even if a Mayor Gray wanted to keep Rhee, would she want to stay in the job without the full measure of support that Fenty has consistently shown her? That could present a difficult choice. Departing after four years would mean leaving behind a long list of unfinished business. The District could become another city where grand promises of school reform dissolved in a hail of politics. And many would argue that would be a victory for what Rhee often calls "adult interests" over what's best for the city's children.

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By Bill Turque  |  March 30, 2010; 4:43 PM ET
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Do you mean if Rhee leaves Bill Gates won't contribute any money anymore? That could be a blessing.

Posted by: aby1 | March 30, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

So, some older teachers say they have not been getting enuf respect? Before I call Aretha, let us recognize that age or tenure do not trump educating the kids. These senior teachers include some of our most talented, real gems and heroines, as well as more than a few who have written off the kids or who are riveted on retirement. They get generous pensions and rather good pay. They may just have to "suffer" the kids that are their reason for being employed. DCPS exists first of all for the kids, not the teachers. That is Rhee's first principle. Sadly, it is resisted by WTU and some of her critics. Ask any DCPS what they want in a teacher, and don't let the answer surprise you. Any ward will do.

Posted by: axolotl | March 30, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

If Gray wants her to stay and if she's really here for the children, then she'll stay. However, we all know she's not here for the children. What Gray needs to do is win the election, allow Rhee to stay and then when she leaves we will all see her for what she really is/was.

Posted by: UrbanDweller | March 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

in my 6:44pm comment above, second to last sentence should read:

Ask any DCPS parent....

Posted by: axolotl | March 30, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Urbandweller I suspect Rhee is floored by not winning RttT funds -- her first smack in the face as Chancellor -- and by the Federal big guns.

All her power comes from Fenty and the national media. Without it, she's a goner and she knows it, or she should know it, after DOE made it abundantly clear that they are not impressed by her act.

Can she kowtow and provide actual data to them? I doubt it. Can she undergo the personality adjustment that Pebbles requires?

No way.

Posted by: efavorite | March 30, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

A leader gets brings out the best in those under her command by building a team, respecting their work, and getting out of the way to let them get their work done.

Granted, every school district, company, government agency, etc. has its lemons who should be dealt with. But badmouthing the DC teachers in general is not appropriate.

Rhee is not building a team. She is not treating teachers with respect. The students, parents, and teachers of DC deserve better!

Posted by: Jutti | March 30, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

If she leaves, bye! If she stays and Gray wins, she'll have a new boss. Deal with it! Then we'll see if she can live by what she thinks she's brought---CHANGE!

Posted by: candycane1 | March 30, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

rhee can go now!

Posted by: nivla | March 30, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

The simpe answer is YES!!!!

We should know by now Rhee is no savior. DCPS can improve and progress without Rhee.

I remember many of my teachers in DCPS were old DC Teacher college and other HBCU grads. those teachers were focused and intent on us learning. i might be out of touch, but i think those older teachers can teach when kids want to learn.

Posted by: oknow1 | March 30, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Fenty the last election,and enthusiastically so. I will not be voting for him this time around, and the primary reason I will not be doing so is because of Rhee.

She has done nothing of substance for the school system other than to fire, fire, fire. Her so-called attention to "human capital," to coin her words, did not fool the DOE, and it's certainly not fooling me.

She and her Mayor have had their chance to prove that they genuinely are interested in educating our youth. They have failed miserably.

Posted by: vscribe | March 31, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm with vscribe. I voted for Fenty last time, but I won't make that mistake again. As a DCPS parent, my main concern is education. I resent that in a school system that was already in need of reform, Rhee has managed to make things even worse.

I get to watch how her lack of skills and experience hurts children every day. I miss Dr. Janney.

Posted by: Title1SoccerMom | March 31, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

In my view, Mr. Turque is thinking in the right direction. As I see it, the present candidates are the front men for the real battle, which is Ms. Rhee vs. the Washington Teachers' Union.

Should the mayor win another term, the power of the Union and its ability to protect jobs probably will continue to erode. I don't see where the Union and/or its members have any choice but to provide as much money and manpower to the anti-Fenty candidate(s) as possible. I suspect that the national organization will also enter the fray.

Posted by: searay28 | March 31, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"Still, should Gray actually win in September, both he and Rhee stand to lose by parting company. Gray would face criticism from school reform advocates, locally and nationally, who like Rhee. He could also find private foundations less willing to invest their millions in D.C. schools with someone else in the chancellor's office."

Mr. Turque’s opinion is one that should not be completely shared by School Reform Advocates. We should not assume that there are no other passionate and more experienced candidates for the role of Chancellor (or whatever you choose to call it) that could find strong support both nationally and here in Washington for well-reasoned school reform policies.

Mr. Turque needs to acknowledge that there are other strong and respected national voices, such as Diane Ravitch, that have concluded that the education model and practices of many who believe in school reform are harmful, not that school reform is unimportant and necessary. I know of too many experienced educators that believe that that the type of medicine that the Chancellor has been dispensing is too often toxic and with no curative value. This is why the Chancellor has failed, not because she is an ardent advocate of reform.

And regarding the City Council and politics; to imply that when each Councilmember voted to give the mayor control and install Rhee as Chancellor means that they must accept and support any policy or action she purses is ludicrous. The Chancellor’s professional behavior has been inexcusably secretive and many times willfully deceptive. She has made enemies of other reform minded citizens and the members of the City Council because she has played politics in the name of “what's best for the city's children”, and accused anyone who questions her motives as promoting their selfish "adult interests". Please explain to us how this attitude is going to lead to the kind of dialogue that we need to be involved in. Do you think the children should decide? After all, it is all about their interests, not adults or the city as a whole.

Posted by: AGAAIA | March 31, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Let's see that would mean by September packing boxes should be arriving at DCPS headquarters...then on November 2, 2010 the movers arrive...and then on January 2, 2011 the educational reform part deux will begin to play out.

Hey!!! All of you nationally recruited better slow-your-roll. Instead of asking a year to better ask what is my chances of survival if you are no longer the Chancellor???

Let history show that when Janey appointed principals in June....and in the same month he was out and all of his appointees were deemed acting...and subsequently replaced within the following school year.

Duh ruh? To the pending Hardy and Eastern new principals I wouldn't get to comfortable in your new surroundings, because karma can be a witch with a broom.

Oh! how regrettable...LOL

I am telling you if Gray wins...old-school will definitely return to DCPS...that means Kargbo, Neal, Bonner, White and whomso-ever else who still has chalk-stains on their clothing.

Posted by: PowerandPride | March 31, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The straw man argument that those who question the Chancellor’s policies and decisions are against reform should not be accepted. If Vincent Grey is elected mayor and appoints a more qualified individual as Chancellor, or reorganizes the educational structure to better serve this city’s children, he may do more to reform our schools than his predecessor. Let’s hear what he has to say in this election year, because it will be adults that enter the ballot box. This is a discussion that adults need to engage in, and it should not center on the class or racial political rhetoric that threatens to dominate over other important issues.

Mr. Turque has been correct to point out that abandoning school reform would be a mistake. About Rhee he writes, “Departing after four years would mean leaving behind a long list of unfinished business.” But he is far too pessimistic about a future without Rhee when he continues, “The District could become another city where grand promises of school reform dissolved in a hail of politics.” We should be in an open debate about not only how we pursue school reform, but also in the accountability and transparency of the future leader of our public schools. We can all do better.

Any sane and reasonable person would seek to learn from the past, and not throw it away in the name of progress. We need to move far away from those who believe that such a search for truth and light is antithetical to the goals of education.

“I think if there is one thing I have learned over the last 15 months it’s that cooperation, collaboration and consensus-building are way overrated,” Michelle Rhee at the Aspen Institute’s education summit at the Mayflower Hotel.

Posted by: AGAAIA | March 31, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I surmise that Rhee will definitely bow out gracefully and take her inexperienced millenial administration with her. Axiomatically, the ways in which Rhee and Fenty have implemented their educational reform agenda has destroyed public trust and, at best, created paradoxes, in terms of sustainable/scalable change. The District needs another curriculum and instruction superintendent, like Dr. Janey. I applaud Dr. Janey for bringing a trajectory of change to this town: rigorous standards, deep curriculum, and meaningful academics to schools. We owe all the most recent test score gains/results to what Janey put in place.

Fenty doesn't stand a chance against Vincent Gray, and the last thing this town needs is an inexperienced hedge-fund manager (Peebles). I'm excited about Gray as DC's next mayor...the man, clearly, is a cerebral, political visionary who understands what this town needs to move forward. He definitely has my support. Fenty and Rhee let us down, lied to us, humiliated educators, and lead through scare tactics. In the real world, that's not OK, and the DOE's rebuttal spelled that out.

Posted by: rasheeedj | March 31, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

All of this is speculative however, if Dr. Janey, who actually started the DCPS school reform and whose blueprint is actually being utilized by the Fenty Administration and Rhee would come back as school Superintendent, the money brokers would continue invest in education in the District remember, it is "supposed" to be about the children and not the person in the chair.

Janey is a change agent in the arena of school reform. There are also other candidates on the local front who could take up the helm of DCPS and do a phenomenal job without alienating parents, students, teachers, and communities.

Eastern SHS can attest to all of this supposed change that has screwed our children to the wall, and now the school is delayed a full year from opening in hopes that Fenty and Rhee get back in.

Posted by: lacairaine | March 31, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@ PowerandPride. I know who this is...please stop scaring the white folks!!! These Washingtonian white folk can't see success in anything black. Fenty is more them than us and Rhee definitely ain't us. They can't see success in Janey, or any of the former DCPS guard. Isn't it ironic that when they folk were in place DCPS has some of the best schools.

Posted by: lacairaine | March 31, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

AGAAIA wrote: If Vincent Grey is elected mayor and appoints a more qualified individual as Chancellor, or reorganizes the educational structure to better serve this city’s children, he may do more to reform our schools than his predecessor. Let’s hear what he has to say in this election year, because it will be adults that enter the ballot box. This is a discussion that adults need to engage in, and it should not center on the class or racial political rhetoric that threatens to dominate over other important issues.

Well, let me let everyone know that YOUNG ADULTS will also be a force to be reconned with during this election. I have made it my GOAL/JOB/COMMITMENT to registed every single solitary 18 years and older young person in this city and most especially in Wards 5, 6, 7 and 8. They are closer to the issue than any adult, they actually attended DCPS schools and know what they liked, didn't like, needed, and didn't get. As I have stated to Mr. Gray: concentrate on the youth vote; this is the group that put President Obama in the White House and the group that feels disconnected and devalued in this city. The unemployment rate amongst this group is 27% nationally and locally it is well above 50%, much of this unemployment and underemployment can be laid at the feet of DCPS and its practices to put money in schools in the affluent wards and neglect the poorer Wards, thereby making the youth, upon graduation unable to attend college or get a job. Mr. Gray needs to work to solidify this base and get them registered to vote in this upcoming election.

Posted by: lacairaine | March 31, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I love the fact that the same people who ridicule and berate Rhee for not having been on he job long enough to take credit for any reforms or improvements taking place, like to lay that credit at the feet of a man who was now officially head of DC public schools for less time than Rhee has been.

So what is it guys? She has either been here long enough or she hasn't? Some of the reforms are to her credit or they aren't, but if they aren't they also can't be credited to Janey.

DC had 7 Superintendents in 10 years. Each one hand picked by the DC Teachers Union. Each one given everything they asked for by the compliant City Council and Mayor, and yet after that...nothing. It was 10 years of watching what was already the nations worst school system get worse.

Gray admired above that his biggest criticism is her "tin ear" for politics. Well, that's exactly the kind of person we need. Someone who is doing her job for the kids of the district regardless of how it look politically. The fact that Gray said that would be reason enough not to vote for him, if he didn't have a host of other problems as well.

You folks who are upset at her "personality" are the same people who think it is a good idea to pick a President based solely on the idea of being comfortable having a beer with them.

I don't remember "personality" being a talking point for the nuns who taught at my catholic high school, a school that is still ranked nationally in the top 10 nationwide. Who cares what their "personality" is like, as long as they are getting the job done.

Posted by: Nosh1 | March 31, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

You all are assuming that Rhee is going to stay in the District, no matter who wins. She is marrying a millionare from California. My bet, she, and her image consultant, will be gone at the end of this year no matter the outcome.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | March 31, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

lacaireaine: So, in our city with majority AA population, only black mayors and AA controlled Council for a couple of decades, you think Ms. Rhee somehow has diverted big money to white areas? That's a ridiculous charge that can't be proven with DCPS financial records. There is no plot; the citizens are in control, and they hired Rhee, through their elected officials. You can't blame Rhee for poor employment prospects because of a poor education. No that did not happen on her watch. You may have had teachers who had given up on you, didn't mark up your papers and tests, didn't explain things to you, or failed to run the classroom effectively. Rhee wants to replace teachers like the ones you are, indirectly, but clearly, complaining about. If you want to perpetuate what you experienced, your best bet is to vote for Gray if yo think he will hire a new schools head.

Posted by: axolotl | March 31, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"...Gray would face criticism from school reform advocates, locally and nationally, who like Rhee. He could also find private foundations less willing to invest their millions in D.C. schools with someone else in the chancellor's office."
Statements like the one above are so disingenuous. What this seems to imply is that anyone who feels that Rhee is not the right person for the job is against real education reform in the District. The real truth is that District citizens want reform. We just don't want it doled (contracted) out and controlled by those who truthfully don't have the best interests of our children at heart. Also, there's a difference between donating, which I presume foundations are doing, and investing. I would hope that those vested in the success of public education in DC are motivated more by altruism than capitalism.

Posted by: Robmic812 | March 31, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Nosh says, "Each one hand picked by the DC Teachers Union. Each one given everything they asked for by the compliant City Council and Mayor, and yet after that...nothing. It was 10 years of watching what was already the nations worst school system get worse."

What you say is not true. what is true is that DCPS math and reading achievement scores have been going up* for the last decade, despite the turnover in superintendents, yet people want to blame past superintendents and give credit to Rhee. Why is that? And why isn't anyone interested in what is really behind the increase?

At least DOE didn't fall for it. They actually read the statistics, not the spin on the Washington Post editorial page.

* read the comments section:

Posted by: efavorite | March 31, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse


We get it, we really do. You have been leading the charge against Rhee on wapo Boards since before she was even given the job, and everything she has done sense is a conspiracy against all the teachers in the city, and a plot to kill black babies.

Every single one of your posts is more ridiculous than the last. Every time there is a School related article in the paper, you end up trying to spread your indignity.

Ok, we get you aren't a Rhee fan. You always claim you are for reform in DC Public schools, but you and your Teachers Union members had 30 years to "do something" and you didn't do anything. The taxpayers of the city have given you and your friends all the rope they wanted for the past 30 years and you continued to hanging yourself with it. It all cumulated in 7 Superintendents in 10 years, all handpicked by the Teachers Union.

Anyone defending the old system in anyway, loses the ability to critique the new one. Based on you and the systems well documented decades of failure, you haven't yet earned the credibility to do it.

Posted by: Nosh1 | March 31, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

As I have said many times, I was a Rhee supporter at first.

Anyone who suggests that someone who does not support Rhee thinks she is involved in a plot to kill black babies has lost all credibility in my book.

Posted by: efavorite | March 31, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Stop the bickering. See ya'll at 6:30. I will be easy to spot.

Posted by: axolotl | March 31, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

This article sound pro-Rhee. It sounds like Mr. Turque's job has been threatened - either say positive thing about Michelle Rhee or be fired.

Posted by: aby1 | March 31, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

lacaraine: Who me...trying to scare the white folks? Hardly, they are scaring each other with their listservs, coffee-clutches and stroller-brigades soirees that has the main topic of what are the "darkies" going to do next?

I too am a firm believer that Rhee will leave once she becomes a politician wife and her every action/move will be associated to her husband all the way in California. You know that everytime she commits a foul here in DC a tech will be thrown on her politician husband in California. Therefore our franchise player will move on to another team or better yet become an owner.

Wouldn't it be sweet that Rhee is replaced but she lands a job in over-seeing funds or issues pertaining to DCPS in general. Can you imagine the whole is too good for that not too happen. Hypothetically, the Secretary of Education gives her a title of czar of DCPS...wouldn't that just smack everyone in the face with a wet-noodle.

Back to you lacaraine; Yes, we have experience the experiences of all experiences at Eastern. As we have been the test guinea pigs for education reform at its highest form. Unfortunately, the two years of MRI's just gives us more anxiety as we await for the diagnosis yet for another year. You...see I didn't say we are awaiting for the cure.

Truth of the matter is that the personality analogy is right on point if not, then a need to help with Rhee image would have been moot-point.

Finally to hear that Gray is surrounding himself with Hawkins and Cafritz kinda scares me extremely more than what I am accused of doing to the white folks?

Posted by: PowerandPride | March 31, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

PandP: one thing we have learned is: always coming up with someone to blame for trouble creates a dependency and deflects creative, constructive energies. Let's look in the mirror and consider how the DC schools got the way they are.

Posted by: axolotl | March 31, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

@ axolotl: I am NOT FROM THIS CITY; I moved here...I graduated from the Philadelphia Public School System and also got my college degree in again, Rhee is a classist and a separatist and that is reality and it can be proven..she has diverted money from poor neighborhood schools and now she wants to take back Hardy for the new influx of whites who wouldn't attend Hardy until a Black Male Principal made it a success, now they want the school to be solely a neighborhood school without and application; same situation that is occuring at Eastern SHS, now the school is having a delayed opening, why to ensure that the kids from Hine/Eliott will be in Charters or in PG, which is the plan for this Mayor's Administration to move ALL poor/working poor/middle class blacks out of DC to PG County, everyone can see it. Do you need glasses or maybe you need to take off your rose-colored classes. Why am I trying to explain being black and recognizing prejudice, classism and racism, in all of its forms.

Posted by: lacairaine | March 31, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Lacairaine: you're trying to "explain," or rather sell and propagate, your fears of a plot because: the overwhelming majority of District residents do not believe your line or see the evidence of it. What they have seen is the awfully governed and run schools that have declined steeply over decades; plus elected politicians who were incompetent and negligent. As you sap your own energies looking for people who "did" something to you, you will entirely ignore the means to help dig us out of this awful mess in the schools that Rhee has been making progress on.

Posted by: axolotl | April 1, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Despite the many problems of the DC schools, a positive point is that achievement scores have been rising for a decade. We're still at the bottom, but we're coming up, as we should be, instead of stagnating the way most of the rest of the country is (though at a much higher level).

Again, if we're looking at numbers, Rhee and Fenty's have dipped precipitously since they took over. They are no longer popular with a majority of DC citizens.

These are facts and at this point, I think many Rhee-Fenty supporters are aware of them, which is why they're running scared now that Gray has announced his candidacy.

The last part about "running scared" is an observation of mine, not a firm fact. Here Fenty is sitting on millions in campaign contributions and Rhee is a national media darling, yet their supporters get very nervous (in my opinion) at the first sign of competition. Remember, this is a democracy we live in, though it’s been easy enough to forget that since Fenty has been in power.

Posted by: efavorite | April 1, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

axototl you should take your advice last weekend to Phillip Marlowe and a break like our teachers and students are doing. It spring break and your attacking defence on behalf of Miss Rhee sounds exhausted.

Posted by: edlharris | April 1, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

edlharris: thanx for the good wishes. Just arrived in Bermuda. No attacks, just the hurting truth. From the sound of last night's forum, the Rhee-bashers are out of gas and have a way of repelling parents and voters.

Posted by: axolotl | April 1, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

hey, axoloti - I thought you were going to the forum last night to give Cliff a big hug.

Did you attend and then take off for Bermuda?

And why are you keeping up with DCPS gossip in Bermuda? Take a break, why doncha!

And what do you mean by the "sound of last night's forum?" I'm dying to hear about it, but can't find an article on it. Was Turque even there? Did you find another report on it? If so, please send the link.


Posted by: efavorite | April 1, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

oh, efav., wish u were here. frequent 90-min. flts from Balt. Hugged for sure. Only my opinion, but desperation of old guard was palpable. Lots of embarrassing trash talk, sprinkled w insight, incl fm Cliff, tho panel unnspired. Turque-did not see him nor anyone's article since. Gotta put Bberry away......

Posted by: axolotl | April 1, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

trash talk? At the Wilson bldg? was this being televised? (most things are there. If so, this could be very bad for them.

I'm shocked that the crowd wasn't energized by Gray's declaration to oppose Fenty. and odd that Turque wouldn't show up, after writing about it in advance.

Oh I get it, April Fools!

you kidder, you.

Posted by: efavorite | April 1, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

efav: yes, Gray's sexist insults and bravado are trash, if not classical trash talk. Look at comments on other wapo ed. blogues/story; looks like he insulted quite a few people, even Rhee-haters. Vince is prodigious, ballistic gaffer. Campaign should be fun!

Posted by: axolotl | April 1, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Axolotl's rather pathetic, carrying water for Rhee from Bermuda.
Arrived in Bermuda around noon, still haunting these blogs 10 hours.

I'll give $5 to Fenty's campaign that we will hear from Rhee's water carrier within the next week while she's "on vacation."

Some Life.

Posted by: edlharris | April 1, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Rather than Fenty's campaign (a waste of dough, as would be Gray's) if axototl's fingers move from applying suntan lotion to herself to typing on the keyboard on in the next week, I'll give the $5 to Catholic Retired Religious Fund.
In her name.

Posted by: edlharris | April 1, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

oh, eddy, miss u so. get a grip...and a life. more to it than carping, or even praying. pardon me for asking: r u retired priest?

Posted by: axolotl | April 2, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

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