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On Message Boards, Scott Van Pelt and Fandom



loudterp, Saturday, 9:09 pm

Thread title: That's why Chris Turner will never play..God help us if Jordan gets hurt

In the interest of full disclosure, let me first say that I read message boards constantly, that I'm a registered member of the Caps board, Extreme Skins, Terrapin Times and SportsJournalists.com and that I've also posted, under my own name, on Turtle Sports Report and GWHoops. Like everyone else in the known world, I have also been lured into ridiculous Internet disagreements that, in hindsight, were probably a mistake.

Anyhow, after notorious Internets rabblerouser "loudterp" posted the above on Terrapin Times Saturday night, ESPN's Scott Van Pelt--who, to his credit, has always posted on that board and other boards under his real name--quickly responded to defend Maryland backup QB Chris Turner, who had thrown two INT's in his collegiate debut.

SVanPelt, Saturday, 9:21 pm

Title: You Are So Weak

so far today you have trashed....one of our feature backs...and a kid whose dad frequents the board...and someone else in a thread that got pulled.

You are the worst thing about internet sites...an idiot with 10 bucks a month.

You claim (in caps no less) to love UM football and basketball.

Really?

Then why weren't you there tonight? Anyone who is local that WANTED to be...was.

You are a piece of garbage and I loathe you and all your kind.

So I talked to Van Pelt about this exchange yesterday. He said he would have said the same thing about loudterp and his ilk on the radio, or to loudterp's face. He said he thinks it's pathetic to anonymously rip college-aged athletes on the Internet. He said he uses message boards to stay abreast with what fans are thinking and to make it clear that he's not some walled-off, unapproachable ESPN bigshot. He said he monitors and posts on sites covering many schools, including Penn State, West Virginia and Notre Dame. He said the thing he regretted about the above post was his use of the pronoun "our," since he takes pains not to be a flag-waving Terps booster online.

JoeRoberts, Saturday, 9:28 pm

Title: Re: That was a CLASSIC Post!!!!! But SVP....Some of us do have reasons

SVP referenced that the guy was local. Of course, there are people who live locally who may have other responsibilities and commitments and couldn't go, but obviously LoudTerp didn't because he's at home acting like an a-hole on the internet. Not to mention that I doubt that anyone would make him responsible for anything.

The thing about sports fandom is, it doesn't seem to be against anyone's rules of journalism anymore. Two of our best-known sportswriters are Boston Red Sox fans, and another is a Twins fan. One senior sports dept. employee loves Michigan, another loves the Bears, a third is a huge Cowboys fan, a fourth roots hard for Kansas and a fifth travels to Georgetown games. Two more editors are Dolphins fans and are going to this weekend's game as such. In years past, the sports department would be brimming with NFL jerseys on game days. Heck, Wilbon wears Cubs jerseys on PTI, and the executive editor of this paper, famous for his obsession with political neutrality, has gone on TV to talk about his Ohio State fandom.

Frankly, all of that is foreign to me--I renounced sports fandom when I entered this biz--but I think you could make a strong argument that sports journos should be fans, that only be dipping themselves into that pool of passion can they understand their audience and deliver what their audience actually wants to consume.

"Here's how I'll put it," Van Pelt said yesterday. "We're all from somewhere, and no one should have to apologize for being a fan of a team, or being interested in that team, but because of who we work for it can certainly get misconstrued as to why you're in [message boards]. But I was not ripping on another team, which I don't do. I don't rip on teams. I was ripping on a fan of the team that I grew up supporting.... I don't assume that anyone in that chat room would read that and say, 'That's what ESPN is saying.' I think it's fairly obvious that that's my thought....

"What I do between the hours of 11 Eastern to 12 Eastern is my job. If Maryland wins and I do the highlights, I might reference Bentley's, just like when Auburn wins I say they're going to Roll Toomer's Corner. But I'm not going to say, 'Hooray, hooray the Terps won,' and if Maryland loses I'm not going to say, 'Boo hoo.' We all root for the teams where we went to school. But no, I'm not influenced in any way during that hour. I don't apologize for rooting for my team during the hours when they're playing and I'm not on TV. Everyone I work with does that."

loudterp, Saturday, 9:33 pm

Title: Re: You are so weak - Van Pelt - You make me sick

You come out of your little ESPN hole and make your comments. I don't care enough about you to loathe you. You really need help.

If his dad frequents the board - good for him and this is part of the risk you take when your kid plays at a high profile school at QB. He'll hear worse things and I don't think he'll play, but I hope he proves me wrong.

I did not trash him - you are so damn dramatic. I am the worst thing about internet sites? I'd say this to your face as well, so I'm not worried about your position.

I do love MD and I think Keon gives us much more and should play the majority of the time. It showed today.

I had health reasons - you piehole..- for not making the game and gave away my tickets..

I do not care for you..

Van Pelt has publicly expressed misgivings about his message board posting in the past. After Antonio Logan-El fooled the world into thinking he was committing to Maryland before actually choosing Penn State at an ESPNZone press conference on live TV, Van Pelt took some heat from Nittany Lions' fans on BlueWhiteIllustrated. Then-ESPN ombudsman George Solomon wrote about it in his column, on which Van Pelt said he and Logan-El had become friendly but he found himself being used as a pawn in the recruiting game. This is from a January, 2006 SVanPelt post on BWI:

"I like to think I am a stand up guy...and I have lashed out in the past on topics - as a fan. I know this mess was one of them. I looked at it as a Maryland site where my opinions was just that of a Maryland fan. As I have come to realize though, just because I can separate myself as a fan from what I do for a living...I can't assume people who read what I write do the same.

"While I will continue to visit boards like this one - if I am welcome and most people have suggested as much - I think it's best that my opinions on matters be kept to myself. I said as much in TT tonight.

"Ed, you are right to call this out. I have been guilty of saying things as a fan that, given my profession, I should not have. Again, I have said as much on the Maryland board and I say it here now as an apology."

SVanPelt, Saturday, 9:41 pm

Title: I make YOU sick?

you internet joke....I will worry when Ralph or Gary has a problem with me.

juggle, clown....juggle.

Van Pelt has made about 4,300 posts on the Terrapin Times board Rivals network, according to his profile. It's a pay site, costs about $10 a month, and he said he assumed it was a private forum, a place for Terps supporters to hang out with each other and share their views about Maryland sports without those views being broadcast to the world. After we talked, he said he would change his user name and would no longer post under SVanPelt.

I told him that I thought that was sad, that I think people love the fact that he posts passionately under his own name, that it humanizes him in a way a SportsCenter commercial could never do. It's not all that much different from Gilbert making fun of Marbury on his blog, or Curt Schilling again ripping the media on his blog, except those are expressly public venues. Obviously Van Pelt is making this change because I told him I was going to publish the above dialogue, for which I feel mildly guilty. I hate blogs.

"Is it stupid for me to do it when my name's attached to it? I suppose it is, and I'll quit," he told me. "I won't post again, because I don't want to be misunderstood. But as a guy not representing ESPN, just as a fan, I think it's incredibly pathetic for a guy just to anonymously rip on a scholarship athlete who's doing the best he can. And by the way, I think I'm right....

"It's fascinating to read what fans say. The Internet gives all these people a voice. What's the old saying, freedom of speech just makes it easier to identify the idiots? That's never been more true than in an Internet chat room."

By Dan Steinberg  |  September 5, 2007; 9:01 AM ET
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Comments

I'm so angry I could swear.

Posted by: Unsilent Majority | September 5, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Who is Scot canpelt??? And will he post on our bord? AWES! We will send invite to bristil tucked inside the meat & sweets pack Berman orders weekly from us at wheaton circuity city. Dana delivers it by hand and with hand!!!!!!!!!!!!

xoxo,
Jarkko tha Hamma Droppa

Posted by: wizznutzz.com | September 5, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

For decades people have been arguing sports, opinions on how things are run, may it be a sportsboard or the government, the right of free speech. I like your positive spin, turning a negative into a positive. FREDTERP

Posted by: FREDTERP | September 5, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I love it! I'm commenting on a blog posting, about a message board; I think this is the definition of an circle jerk. Can I say "circle jerk" on this board?

Posted by: KJ | September 5, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Booooooooo Sports Bog! No rugby post yesterday.

Posted by: KJ | September 5, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

This is the good stuff. Nice work, Steinz (and SVP).

Posted by: Jamie Mottram | September 5, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

SVP is jealous of the Bog hat

Posted by: Unsilent Majority | September 5, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The folks with whom SVP had his verbal sparring are pathetic sports fans. I also have a ton of postings on that Maryland board and the Fredterps/loudterps are the reason I don't visit the sites as often. They constantly criticise and are negative of everyone and everything. I can't figure out if they are 15 year old nerdy geeks that feel safe with the anonimous aspect of the internet or just really bitter old men that have been bullied their whole lives. I wish the moderators of those boards would eliminate these negative characters so posting with fellow Terp fans would once again be fun and friendly.

Posted by: Christopher | September 5, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Terrapintimes Exists Because of Your Paper's Negligence Mr. Steinberg.

Websites like Terrapintimes.com and the larger Rivals.com are successful because larger media outlets failed to serve the interests of the people. The rivals network has tens if not hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Rivals, Mr. Cavanaugh and the other site hosts were more nimble than you. They recognized niche interests and served them. They built a healthy subsriber base. That subscribership is a slap in the face to a dying newsprint industry.

Perhaps if The Washington Post made even a modest effort to cover Terrapin Althetics, Mr. Cavanaugh's website would not be as successful as it is. However, the newspaper industry realized too late the power of the internet. They misunderstood the diffuse interests of the American people. Their plodding business plans--and in the case of the Post, discrete and insular shareholder group--failed to react swiftly to the changing information marketplace.

The Washington Post in particular, failed to serve the niche interests of the local market. There is scant if any coverage of Maryland athletics in your paper. Yet, seven miles from your offices lies the 35,000 student strong university. The Baltimore Sun is making a fair effort at serving their readership with Terrapin sports blogs. However, they are still several years to late. Many of us have been members here for five or six YEARS. If the Sun had began publishing those blogs six years ago, I don't imagine that Terrapintimes would have been half as successful as it is. Perhaps if you thought like fans, fans are your readership afterall, you'd have realized this market existed and reacted to it more expediently.

If you folks at the Post don't like this phenomenon I don't blame you. My ten bucks a month is revenue that you failed to capture. It's a phenomenon that your coverage failures allowed to flourish. Sites like these are another nail in the coffin of print media companies.

Posted by: Testudo is watching | September 5, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I only wish you posted more of the insults that loudterp (very aptly named by the way) posts on the Terps bulletin board. It would make SVP's response seem very measured, if not understated.

One of the unfortunate outgrowths of the internet giving people "a voice" is that they say things about or to people online that they would never think of saying in person.

Posted by: dcterp | September 5, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Although the Terrapin message boards lose SVanPelt from posting, your informative and newsworthy article was definitely worth the loss. I do hope that your blog entry about a conversation on an internet message board between "loudterp" and SVanPelt wins you some sort of prize for excellence in blogging.

Please keep us updated on any awards/raises you may receive from your thought-provoking and newsworthy posting.

Thank you, Mr. Steinberg.

Posted by: Noli | September 5, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

SVP is trying to encourage what dopey Terp fans (and their site administrators) fail to do: self-policing. I don't see how this is a difficult concept to understand. If you want the entire world -- including current players, recruits, and their families -- knowing your fanbase consists of complete morons, by all means continue to allow anonymous idiots to rip players on TerrapinTimes without any recourse. That'll really make the mother and father of a 17 year old recruit want to send their kid to Maryland.

Posted by: Run Up The Score | September 5, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

You missed the real debate on the message boards: "Is 5'5" 130lb fat?" Now THAT would make a good story!

Posted by: TheSuque | September 5, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

This was a cool "article" and show why you are the jedi knight of The Bog. Thanks Steinz.

I thought Testudo made a good argument and I do empathize with his sentiment. I also think they weren't necessarily relevant to this piece. It seems that MD fans constantly complaining about their coverage. Get used to it. The WaPo is by far a NATIONAL Paper. The Terps are NOT National paper worthy right now.

Hail!

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | September 5, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I find it ridiculous to have a blog post by one sports journalist about a post of another sports journalist on a message board.

Posted by: 95terp | September 5, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Testudo- Message boards are hardly the death knell of print journalism. Many message boards offer a great resource for diehard fans who want to discuss issues with more depth than you'll see elsewhere. WaPo could offer all the Terps coverage humanly possible and it wouldn't change anything, people who want to partake in discussions will still head to the message boards.

I still don't know what Steinz said to provoke your rant and I have even less of a clue as to why you'd direct your WaPo scorn to said blogger.

Nobody is filled with more scorn than D Steinz himself!

Posted by: Unsilent Majority | September 5, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"I find it ridiculous to have a blog post by one sports journalist about a post of another sports journalist on a message board."

Why? It's clearly generated a conversation on the topic. Or do you just not have anything to add aside from a pithy comment telling us how worthless it is to comment on such matters.

Posted by: Unsilent Majority | September 5, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Instead of "constantly" reading message boards why don't you try actual reporting?

Posted by: A Sports Fan | September 5, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Good commentary by SVP. Yes, there are morons posting on all sports websites so the Terrapin Times is no better or worse than the others. What is funny is how many people refer to The Post as a "national" paper so as to cover up for its laughable sports section, superiority complex and pathetic coverage of the Terps. I just returned from Maine and read the Globe every morning. The Globe's sports section is so head and shoulders above The Post's it's not even funny. Yes, many of us locals have given up on The Post and it's smarmy, "smart" sportswriters (Boswell excluded-he is the best).

Posted by: East Shore Terp | September 5, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

SVPelt is a stand up guy. He doesn't hide behind an anonymous name like the rest of us. We all know who he is, where he comes from, and he doesn't mince words.

I enjoy it when he visits the WV Rivals site cause we get unbiased opinions from Van Pelt.

Posted by: EEResistable | September 5, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

For Maryland fans to complain about the Post's lack of Maryland coverage is perhaps the most hilarious complaint I've ever heard. The Post covers Maryland FAR more than any other local college, especially during basketball season.

And East Shore Terp, please be specific. Why is the Post's sports section "laughable"? Or are you just a typical Maryland fan who anonymously whines when a story about the battle for the third-string guard spot isn't on the front page with a 60-point headline?

Posted by: Matt | September 5, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"If you folks at the Post don't like this phenomenon I don't blame you. My ten bucks a month is revenue that you failed to capture. It's a phenomenon that your coverage failures allowed to flourish. Sites like these are another nail in the coffin of print media companies."

Well, considering websites like washingtonpost.com survive off of advertisers that look at the number of hits a website has, you actually just gave the Post revenue by visiting and posting.

Thank you, come again.

Posted by: the cheat | September 5, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Can one of you asshats tell me what this blog post has to do with the Washington Post's coverage of Maryland sports?

Posted by: Unsilent Majority | September 5, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Testudo...The Washington Post isn't the reason that Maryland fans have fled to the Rivals sites. The Rivals sites have flourished because they can offer die hard fans 24 hour, completely biased and intimate coverage of the teams they love.

When Rivals began many sites were simply aggregating links to the stories posted elsewhere, both nationally and locally, in one location that was easy to find for fans of a particular team. Almost like a blog with a really narrow focus.

None of this happened as a result of the Post refusing to be UMD's personal biatch.

No newspaper could provide the type of intimate day-to-day coverage, and more importantly community, that Rivals and other networks like it have without alienating a significant portion of their subscription base in most cases. Expecting a national paper like the post to do so is just a little bit crazy.

Posted by: prophet | September 5, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Matt:

It's laughable because, in the Globe, there is always a full page devoted to golf, 3 or 4 pages devoted to NFL training camp news, extensive local high school and amateur sports, quality BC coverage and knowledgable columnists, not to mention superior coverage of the Sox (as compared to the Nats or Orioles). And all of that in the early New England edition.

I don't know why I have to put up with more coverage of national college football as compared to the Terps. Those persons who subscibe to The Post outside of the DC area by and large aren't doing it for sports news; it's for national political coverage. The sports section should be locally focused. Readers looking for a national perspective pick up USA Today, SI or The Sporting news.

This "The Post is a national paper" crap is used as cover for either laziness, frugality or disinterest when it comes to the sports section.

Posted by: East Shore Terp | September 5, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"Instead of "constantly" reading message boards why don't you try actual reporting?"

Apparently you missed Steinberg's front page spread on the Rugby World Cup today ... the man is multi-dimensional ... blogger and reporter ... suck on that!

Posted by: littles | September 5, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

You don't know how proud this makes me.

Posted by: ScottVanPeltStyle.com | September 5, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I was the first person to respond to Loudterp's post during the game. What Dan fails to realize is the history of Loudterp on the board. I can't recall him ever making a positive post. Even when he pretends to be postive there is a backhanded slam against something or somebody at Maryland. There is no question in my mind that he is a plant from Duke or UNC.

Terrapin Times is a paid service and the folks at Rivals have to walk a fine line between allowing dissent and keeping the majority of the paid subscription folks happy. It is not a place where freedon of speech is the rule since it is a public subscription service. If they allow too many people like Loudterp, then the normal marlyland fan will drop off in disgust at the board. Many of the other rivals boards will tolerate no negativity. One negative post on the Duke board, for instance, and you are banned for life.

I will be sorely dissapointed if this ends up in losing SVP fropm our board instead of loudterp. The man deserves no protecting from anybody and for the Washinton Post to take his side is outrageous.

Is this really the best thing you can find to write about after the first week of football season?

Doug Dawson

Posted by: Island Terp | September 5, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

This article should've been about me

Posted by: Tiffles | September 5, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

thanks for pushing SVP off the cliff..amazing that someone that writes for a blog(WTF is a blog?) has the power to silence one of Terrapin Times' favorite posters. you are at the pinnacle of journalism..you have my vote for a pulitzer..thanks jackass

Posted by: knoxroadterp | September 5, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

It's annoying to read Pelt say he doesn't think people should let his comments reflect on ESPN and then he turns around and says he reads Notre Dame boards to get a feel for what the fans think.

As a Notre Dame fan who does NOT post on any of the boards he visits, I find it frustrating that because of Pelt's (and others in the media like him) hypocrisy on that subject I am being represented by the 100 or so idiots on these boards determining "what Notre Dame fans think". The reason I don't participate in those forums is they are not conducive to differing opinions nor reasoned debate. They are as intelligent as a victory mob turning over cars and burning couches. The people on those boards are insecure time-wasters and never represent any of the larger groups they claim to. I beg the media not to believe that the silent majority is represented by the deafening din of internet idiocy.

Posted by: Animal | September 5, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"(WTF is a blog?)"

It's like a message board with articles!

Posted by: Unsilent Majority | September 5, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"It's annoying to read Pelt say he doesn't think people should let his comments reflect on ESPN and then he turns around and says he reads Notre Dame boards to get a feel for what the fans think."

but it's not as if he's turning around and espousing the feelings of said fans on SportsCenter. All he's doing is getting a different perspective on a team/school than he otherwise would. Perhaps more at the WWL should be following suit.

Posted by: Unsilent Majority | September 5, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Dan, I've disabled your TT account. Youve got a lot to learn about recruiting, step off the cliff, read the tea leaves, yeesh. Lots of ins and outs in this recruitment, dont have time to explain them all to you, but im writing a book. TTK

Posted by: TTKeith | September 5, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Keith, once again you show no JOURNALISTIC integrity. No posts on Maryland sports and all RIFF RIFF. Where are the mods. Fredterp

Posted by: FREDTERP | September 5, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

TTK is here!
hahahahahaha

Posted by: littles | September 5, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

ps - writing about anything maryland-related = comments galore ...

Posted by: littles | September 5, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh my God my head hurts from reading this column (is it a column?). I think it literally has caused me to develop ADD.

Posted by: Mike | September 5, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

As a blogger, journalist and Terp, I find this whole thing fascinating... and I sure as heck can't understand why some of the above commenters would not. Seriously, what's the problem? Can't handle a serious conversation on a blog?

I definitely agree on the Post's coverage of the Terps, though. I realize it probably doesn't play well in Virginia, but Maryland is one of the biggest universities around, but there's plenty of times where it seems we're lucky to get anything more than the basic game story -- especially with basketball.

I'd much rather read more localized sports (especially college and pros) in the Post and have the out-of-town baseball section pared down a bit. Fans like me (a Massachusetts transplant) are all going other places for their news on their respective favorite teams, anyway.

Anyway, nice job on this piece, Steinz. Covering message board stuff isn't "not reporting," it's reporting the heck out of what's part of your beat: the blogosphere.

Posted by: Red Sox Monster | September 5, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Write about SVP more often...look how many posts you got!

Posted by: WGDC- | September 6, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

What the hell are you people talking about?!?!

Posted by: Unsilent Majority | September 6, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Does SVP like eating brains?

Posted by: gmaniac | September 6, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

On the NCSU board last year the venom was spewing as the season spiralled out of control. A few of us asked for posters to put their name and class on their posts to hold us accountable. Some of us did, most did not. At least I think twice before posting with my identity known. Thanks to SVP for his commentary and honesty.

It's also nice to know that the black helicopters from UNC & Duke aren't only circling Raleigh!

Steve Shrum

Posted by: srshrum | September 6, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"I hate blogs" gives you away as an elitist - a sports journo who thinks that only other sports journos can string together essays of cogent opinions and have them taken seriously.

Van Pelt is as entitled to be a fan of his alma mater as anyone, and he is hardly alone in the sports media business for having favorites. That does not mean that his objectivity is missing at ESPN, either. First, he is too professional for that and secondly there are plenty of other folks involved in the production of his show for it to ever turn in to TerpsCenter unless the Terps warrant it, as they did when they won the national title.

Finally, the writer who said that the WP (and other established mainline periodicals) failed to adequately cover a market that existed and was filled by Rivals and Scout (among others) is 100% correct. What he didn't say but should have is that those sites are usually as accurate as your august newspaper, and I bet it would hurt your feelings to admit as much.

Posted by: Alpha Wolf | September 6, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

This is America where having an opinion on a subject is permitted whether or not one has a clue about said subject. When, shortly after we invaded Afghanistan, CNN ran a poll asking internet morons to log in and vote in a poll asking where they thought bin Laden was hiding, they got hundreds of thousands of votes. Now, if any one of those morons had a clue where bin Laden was hiding, wouldnt it have been nice if they called 911, or the CIA or Deputy Dog or Sam Spade or Crockett and Tubbs or SOMEONE with more clout than a CNN online poll?

Posted by: lucky horseshoe | September 6, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Steinberg,
This is worse than what you did to Bobby Boswell last year!

Have you no shame???

Posted by: Former Sports Bog reader | September 6, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for all the comments.

Alpha Wolf and others, no, that wouldn't hurt my feelings at all to admit how much great work is done by online companies. Terrapin Times has tremendous info; else I wouldn't be going there. Rivals and Scout were, in many cases, way out ahead of newspapers in providing intensive college coverage; a lot of papers are still trying to recover from that.

But that's a completely different issue than what I was writing about.

Posted by: Dan Steinberg | September 6, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"Obviously Van Pelt is making this change because I told him I was going to publish the above dialogue, for which I feel mildly guilty. I hate blogs."

This has to be the most blatant lie I have ever read.

Since you went ahead and posted this entry in your blog I guess "mildly" is a huge understatement.

In addition, my guess is you don't hate blogs as much as you say given the frequency with which you post to this one.

Posted by: John Edwards | September 7, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I find it completely inappropriate that Scott Van Pelt spends time supporting certain sports teams publicly and arguing with sports fans he does not like. I have done sports writing and have a degree in journalism so I know what I am talking about when I say that journalists should be unbiased and neutral. Scott Van Pelt is the perfect example of why I deeply loathe ESPN because the whole network is owned and operated by fan boys of everything New York, Boston, and Los Angeles (Van Pelt being a Maryland fan explains why he is almost never used on the network). ESPN is so snooty and obnoxious with their continuous pushing of story lines that only interest them (like the 3 weeks where they tried and failed to turn the world against Mike Gundy) rather than doing real journalism.

Scott Van Pelt represents the worst of bloggers on the internet and are why I really do not blog any more. Any time you make a critical comment on a public figure (politician, athlete, et cetera) there is some fan boy like Van Pelt who has to pop up and personally call you names because he disagrees with your opinion. This entire flame war Van Pelt engaged in was started by Van Pelt making personal attacks on a person who expressed an opinion that Van Pelt did not like. Van Pelt does not know the person criticizing the athlete and barely knows the athlete personally, yet rather than discussing the merits of the athlete, Van Pelt just starts flaming and getting emo against a person he has never met.

If I ran that board I would ban Van Pelt for flaming because he started an entire off topic discussion with a poster he did not like by using juvenile name calling that a so called journalist should know better than to use. Loudterp should be banned too for flaming, but I assign most of the blame to Van Pelt as the person who started the whole incident. I do not care what Van Pelt says, he would not talk to any person the way he did to Loudterp face to face because it would be a public relations disaster for Van Pelt as a D list celebrity and Loudterp would probably kick Van Pelt's butt as I would. If I ran a news organization (which ESPN laughiingly claims to be) and 1 of my reporters was calling people "pieces of garbage" in writing just because the person has a controversial opinion, I would fire that reporter on the spot because it is the job of a reporter to serve the public and report the news objectively, not to make the news and childishly harass the public because they disagree with you.

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