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Local Hoops Poll Week Three: Mason Madness


More history. We have a MEAC team in the Atlantic 11 for the first time. Congratulations, Morgan State. We have an unprecedented spike from UMBC, easily the best showing from a low-major in Poll history.

The dilemma at the top virtually vanished, with Georgetown getting 71 of 73 first-place votes. But there was considerable disagreement whether Mason or Virginia should be second, and the two teams switched places repeatedly as the votes were tallied. Mason wound up on top, barely.

Poll movement: Too many minor fluctuations to mention here. Seven of the eight remaining undefeated teams lost last week; only Georgetown remained unscathed. Biggest movers: GW dropped from fifth to a tie for eighth, and UMBC jumped from ninth to sixth.

The AP ranks 'em like this: Georgetown (5th), Virginia (33rd), George Mason (37th tied) and George Washington, with one vote, which had to have been a mistake by some dumb voter. The coaches rank 'em like this: Georgetown (5th) and Virginia (30th). No votes for Mason. That's a scandal.

Results after the jump.

1. Georgetown (3-0) 727 (71)
--Wednesday at No. 8 Old Dominion, Saturday vs. Fairfield.
--JTIII sounds like a new-fangled razor we'll see in a Super Bowl commercial. (Markus Videnieks)

2. George Mason (5-1) 605 (1)
--Thursday vs. Drexel, Sunday vs. East Carolina.
-- OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG. (Ed Lee)

3. Virginia (5-1) 601 (1)
--Tuesday vs. Northwestern.
--The Philly Hoop Group Classic featured two teams from Maryland, one from D.C., one from Virginia, one from Pittsburgh, one from New Jersey and only two from Philadelphia. Not very Philly. And with teams like Howard, Navy and Penn, not very hoop either. (Bill Fitzgerald)

4. Maryland (4-2) 484
--Wednesday vs. Illinois, Sunday vs. No. 5 VCU.
--Sure, they lost to Missouri, but that's the number 1 team in the country. Right? (Paul Campbell)

5. VCU (3-2) 341
--Thursday at unranked Hampton, Sunday vs. No. 4 Maryland.
--Rams face a huge test with all sorts of Atlantic 11 ramifications this week. Then they play Maryland. (Scott Allen)

6. UMBC (4-1) 316
--Thursday vs. No. 10 Morgan State, Saturday at unranked American.
--The Retrievers could easily make a case for being this year's George Mason. Unfortunately, George Mason is also making a very strong case for being this year's George Mason. (Tim Lemke)

7. Virginia Tech (2-2) 260
--Wednesday at Penn State, Saturday vs. UNC Asheville.
--In wake of Michael Vick case, basketball team was told to lose to Gonzaga due to fear of being accused of beating any more bulldogs. (Matt Mandel)

8t. Old Dominion (3-3) 191
--Wednesday vs. No. 1 Georgetown, Saturday at Georgia State.
--Play three of the country's top six teams in one week? Sure. What could go wrong? (Sean McLernon)

8t. George Washington (2-1) 191
--Wednesday at UCLA, Sunday vs. Auburn.
--As a general rule, you should try to avoid losing to a school with the word "county" in its name. (Glenn Arnold)

10. Morgan State (3-2) 84
--Thursday at No. 6 UMBC, Saturday at unranked Coppin State.
--The Todd Bozeman revolution will be televised...Sunday mornings on tape delay on CN8. (David Larimer)

11. James Madison (3-1) 81
--Wednesday at Eastern Kentucky, Saturday at Northeastern.
--During the hour drive back from Lexington, VMI scored another 47 points on the Dukes. (Jamie Paquette)

Also receiving votes: Loyola 66, VMI 21, American 7, Towson 7, Richmond 6, Longwood 3, Navy 3, Coppin State 2, Norfolk State 2, William & Mary 2, Maryland women 2, Hampton 1, Mount St. Mary's 1, Mary Washington women 1, GW women 1, Michael Beasley 1.

By Dan Steinberg  |  November 26, 2007; 4:10 PM ET
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Comments

I wish I had a pithy comment, but Sean Taylor has taken what little wit I had away.

Posted by: ScottVanPeltStyle.com | November 26, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The biggest travesty about Mason getting no votes in the Coaches Poll is that we had 9 votes last week. Somebody out there will have to explain how you go from 9 votes to none after beating nationally-ranked Kansas State and South Carolina (and falling just short against another ranked team in Villanova).

Posted by: Tom | November 26, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed that Mason got no votes in the Coaches Poll....can someone please explain????

Posted by: Joe | November 26, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Now that Mason has moved up to #2, maybe the Post will realize that using AP to cover our last four games wasn't such a wise decision.

We need you back on the beat, Dan!

Posted by: Mason Fan | November 26, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

No votes for George Mason? Billy Packer must have filled out all the ballots.

Posted by: Max Wass | November 26, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Where's my vote for the Mary Washington Women?

Posted by: Dave Richardson | November 26, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

In our poll, I incorrectly clicked on GTown getting 3 points instead of GW, and thus the Hoyas' 10 pts were voided.

Now, I wrote to Dan to correct the error. Maybe the Mason no-votes and GW getting a vote were the result of a similar error?

Posted by: smperk | November 26, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

WOW! I would love to know what coaches decided not to vote for Mason anymore after the weekend that they had. Idiots!

Posted by: Confused | November 26, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I voted for the GW Women and they do not have one vote in the poll. I am very upset Dan...

Posted by: Joshua Meredith | November 26, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The Post uses AP reports for the Orioles, who despite their Cinderella's step sister status, are a professional sports team that used to be quite popular in the D.C. area.

In other words, continue to expect AP coverage.

Posted by: SuzyIWantToKissYou | November 26, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

After this weekend, the Mason Mystique continues to grow. Outstanding! Who among the big schools wants to play Mason now? Getting harder and harder to schedule those big-school, non-conference games, eh?
GO, MASON!

Posted by: Arlington Pimp | November 26, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Loyola ahead of Towson when I watched with my own eyes the domination Towson put on the #2 pick for the America East??

And James Madison and Morgan State are ranked??

Posted by: GoTU | November 26, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

[who only voted for six teams]

No one else deserves to be ranked, can the rest of the teams all tie for 10th?

GW/UMBC: Has someone already registered the FireHobbs.com domain name??

Posted by: Todd Turner | November 26, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - Who needs representation in Congress when you have a basketball team like this in town?

Virginia - Not a bad record for a team that hasn't played much defense this season.

George Mason - Patriots cracking the top three of the Bog Poll is the second greatest achievement in program history. Why can't I remember the first?

Maryland - Two double digit losses in November? And we're not talking about the football team?

VCU - Still the last team to beat Duke.

Old Dominion - Play three of the country's top six teams in one week? Sure. What could go wrong?

UMBC - Who else is anticipating the Greatest Dog Mascot Battle ever when the Albany Great Danes play the Retrievers for the America East title?

George Washington - That's what happens when you travel to the hostile confines of the Retrievers Activities Center.

Virginia Tech - Maybe the Hokies could make the argument to the selection committee that Eastern Washington was just another name for Georgetown.

Morgan State - Public still unsure whether school's founder was a man or a woman because of ambiguous name.

Posted by: Sean McLernon | November 26, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Navy and Virginia - I've never seen two players score more points while missing more shots than Greg Sprink and Sean Singletary did over the weekend in Philly.

Howard - Might be the first team to ever go undefeated in the Big 5 but lose to Robert Morris.

Loyola - Having now watched Jimmy Patsos in person, it makes too much sense to me that he succeeds Gary Williams. He screams just as much, but has the sense to wear dark suits instead of gray suits so that the sweat doesn't show as much.

Posted by: J. Tannenwald | November 26, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I also watched Towson beat Loyola, but Towson has since lost to Bucknell(not great)and Vermont(not good). A win at Samford doesn't really tip the scales. Loyola has losses to Drexel and Seton Hall, no shame in those, but has beaten four bad teams. So I would agree that they are closer than most voters seem to think, but neither has yet to prove that their first game was more than a fluke.

Posted by: Bill Fitzgerald | November 26, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - In his postgame press conference, John Thompson blamed the ongoing writers' strike for the lack of drama in the Hoyas' win at Ball State.

George Mason - Jim Larranaga finally made good on his promise to take his team to Disney World for getting to the Final Four, but Folarin Campbell was disappointed that lunch in Cinderella's Castle was sold out.

Maryland - Sprint Center joins Verizon Center on Gary Williams' list of least favorite arenas named for telecommunications giants. Don't look for the Terps to play at the Alcatel-Lucent Center anytime soon.

UMBC - Retrievers lost to Lafayette and beat George Washington last week. I wonder how they'll do next week against Cornwallis College and Von Steuben State.

VCU - In Puerto Rico, Eric Maynor was dismayed to learn that Daddy Yankee is neither a Daddy nor a Yankee.

GW - The Colonials gave up more threes against UMBC than the runner-up in the National Go Fish Championship.

Morgan State - With close losses at Miami and Connecticut, Bears are ready to storm the cellars of the ACC and Big East.

Virginia Tech - Seth Greenberg gave his players a sundown curfew at Great Alaska Shootout, obviously forgetting that the sun won't set for two more weeks.

Old Dominion - Monarchs must have looked past Clemson, UNC and Louisville in anticipation of Georgetown game.

Posted by: Bill Fitzgerald | November 26, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

UVA - The Cavs looked sluggish in their loss to Seton Hall in Philly, likely because of a pre-game Pat's vs. Geno's argument that escalated into a full-on feast.

George Mason - Unsatisfied with being a famous pimp and sometimes rapper, Don "Magic" Juan is apparently now leading the GMU band. For shizzle.

Maryland - Boom Osby missed Friday's win over Lehigh with a "stomach virus". Let's be honest, he ate a whole turkey on Thursday and was KO'd by tryptophan until Sunday.

VCU - Showdown with Maryland for the #4 spot in the poll looming!

UMBC - PG Ray Barbosa is harder to stop than the pirate of the Caribbean, Captain Barbosa.

ODU - After Wednesday, they will have played three Top 10 teams in a row. For any team to do that without being subjected to Dickie V. is awesome baby!

Virginia Tech - Paterno, Beamer, Morelli, Glennon -- Wednesday at 9:30 on ESPN2!

Morgan State - Morgan State : Loyola (MD) :: Marlo Stanfield : Avon Barksdale.

GW - Desperate for new material during the writer's strike, Carlos Mencia will be sitting behind the GW bench for the UCLA game and stealing Karl Hobbs's stuff.

Posted by: Markus Videnieks | November 26, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - Took down Ronny Thompson and Ball State. Next up: JTII's radio show!

George Mason - While this leap up the charts is great for Mason, it speaks terribly of the local scene.

Virginia - Seton Hall only beat Navy by four. Navy. At Seton Hall, not at a neutral venue. Really, let that sink in.

Maryland - After getting bullied by UCLA and Mizzou, the Terps find a nerd to beat up. Take that, dairy producers!

GW - Lost to UMBC? And yet, I see no word of Karl Hobbs exploding with rage.

ODU - No real jokes from their games...I think it's time for root beer jokes! The hits keep coming for ODU: After two straight games against top 10 teams, ODU will face IBC in a matchup of top five root beers.

Va. Tech - Another team with losses to ranked teams, as expected. The Bog poll is getting boring.

VCU - Beat Elon and saluted King George III once again by maintaining "Commonwealth". If I find myself in Richmond and someone tries to give me change in pence or farthings, it's on.

Loyola - Seton Hall would be my #2 if they were eligible after crushing the whole area's hopes.

UMBC - Beat GW, giving me my Karl Hobbs joke. That alone is enough to move up.

Posted by: Jason Anderson | November 26, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

John Feinstein voted 3 times for Navy.

Posted by: Bobby K | November 26, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

George Mason - Admissions office may want to prepare for another big increase in applications.

UVA - Cavaliers are the early-season favorite to win the Big 5.

Virginia Tech - Plucky, underdog ACC school nearly pulls upsets of traditional powers Butler and Gonzaga.

ODU - Their two losses better than most of the wins recorded by Atlantic 11 teams last week.

UMBC - They keep playing like this, they won't be the hyphenated state university in Maryland for long.

Posted by: Eric Swensen | November 26, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - Playing one game every single week really must be tiring for these poor kids.

Virginia - Quick! Name UVA's other four starters...yeah, me neither.

UMBC - UMBC is the Atlantic 11's version of the South Florida football team. Remember when they were ranked in the Top 10 too?

Virginia Tech - This upcoming Saturday will be the last time you hear "ACC Championship" and "Virginia Tech" in the same sentence.

Old Dominion - The team at my old middle school went 1-2 this past week also, so how come they didn't crack the top 11?

#11 Vote: Minnesota Vikings Defense

Posted by: Glenn Arnold | November 26, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - Hoyas better watch out for UMBC; soon we'll be having an Atlantic 11 local dog mascot poll.

G. Mason - I'm setting the over/under on voter comparisons to the '06 team at 30.

UUMBC- After the Retrievers beat GW, I was walking out of the bathroom and heard one guy sing/tell his buddy, "who let the dogs out?! hoo, hoo, hoo-hoo!"- and I couldn't tell if he was happy about UMBC's win or making a sick joke.

GW - Who scheduled GW to play AT UMBC during Thanksgiving break? If Kvancz scheduled at NJIT instead, it would've been packed with GW students.

Old Dominion - After scheduling #1 UNC and #6 Louisville IN VEGAS, then coming home to play #5 G'town, someone should call AJ Daulerio to make odds on the next NCAA hoops team with a "misappropriation of funds" scandal.

Morgan State - Who would've thought the Morgan State/UMBC game on Nov. 29 would have such important implications?

Posted by: Sean Perkins | November 26, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

GU - Your classic case of a coach, coaching where his father was a legend, beating a team that used to be coached by his brother, who quit because the administrators are racists. GU hasn't looked good, but until they lose they're 1 in this poll.

UVA - Sean and the Singletarys.

GMU - Hard to bet against a team with an Isiah, Jordan, and Bird(song)...as long as they aren't in the front office.

UMBC - UMBC isn't a community college???

UMD - If Vasquez played for the Patriots I could hate him more.

Posted by: Cole Wilson | November 26, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - If the first seven months of WWII on continental Europe were known as the Phony War, the first seven weeks of the Hoyas' schedule should be known as the Phony Season.

George Mason -- Beat Kansas State and South Carolina, loses close game to 'Nova, sounds like March, not Thanksgiving week.

Virginia - On the whole, 'Hoos would rather be in Philadelphia.

Virginia Tech -- 'Hoos lost to a diocesan school, at least the Hokies lost to a Jesuit school.

Maryland -- Terps beat up on Patriot League after losing to Pac-10 and Big 12.

UMBC -- The Maryland campus that is the UCLA of the East: the University of Catonsville Left of Arbutus.

Morgan State -- Beat AU and played Sun Tan U close, not too bad.

Loyola -- Jesuit school that loses to a diocesan school, not too good.

GW -- 2-1 following loss to UMBC shows the risks of following G'town-like early season scheduling.

Posted by: Dave Richardson | November 26, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow but this was a tough week to vote. UMBC is three points away from still being the only undefeated team other than Georgetown in the poll. I'll repeat that again: UMBC is only THREE points away from being undefeated. I'm going to have to head up to the RAC and bring tennis balls to throw around the court in hopes it will distract these water loving animals.

Georgetown has it all figured out. In a week in which everyone else in the region loses at least once, play just one game. And not only play just one game, but convince the head coach's brother to pick a fight and get all of the players on the other team to transfer. Bill Belichick has nothing on JTIII. Nothing.

Shot of the game from the Maryland-UCLA game. Gist with his head in his hands on the bench after Maryland loses. We'll be seeing that a lot, especially since Greivis evidently means "ball hog" in Spanish. Unless you have Kevin Durant next to you.

I have no idea how to rank these people. James Madison at 3-1, with a Loss to 2-3 VMI has to fit in here, because nobody else can win. Wow.

Posted by: DC Centurion's Shield | November 26, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

UMBC is winning with two castoffs from JMU. 2 abysmal players...UMBC are great and the America East is a great conference...sure

Posted by: HA! | November 26, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Loyola - We're back to the point where no team deserves to be #10 but we have to put someone there. Loyola's as good as any other choice.

Georgetown - Able to overcome the most dirty sounding named school on its schedule now that they no longer play Oral Roberts.

Old Dominion - They lost, like most of the local schools, but at least they looked good doing it.

Maryland - Team gets more pathetic every time I watch them. their message board gets more unintentionally funny every time I read it.

Virginia - Beat Arizona and lose to Seton Hall? This team is sounding a lot like last year's team.

George Mason - Can beat the #20 team but not the #19 team; clearly they belong in the top 25 but not the top 20.

GW - I think this team will frustrate Karl Hobbs so much his head will explode before the year's out.

VT - Lost in the Mid-Major classic.

Posted by: Peter Keszler | November 26, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - The Hoyas were a less impressive version of who the Cardinals thought they were. And Ball State let 'em off the hook!

George Mason - The turning point against South Carolina came when Gunston applied the Old Spice deodorant. Ahoy.

Virginia - Other than that, Virginia fans, how was your Saturday?

Maryland - Terps : Perimeter shooting :: Jason Campbell : Late-game decision making.

Old Dominion - There's little shame in losing to UNC and Louisville. There's a lot of shame in beating Iona by only 11.

UMBC - Is Brian Hodges on the Naismith watch list?

Virginia Tech - The Hokies' trip to the Last Frontier wasn't all for naught; half the team brought back a sweet case of insomnia.

George Washington - According to Karl Hobbs, the Retrievers "forced their will upon" the Colonials. Translation: They made a lot of three-pointers.

Morgan State - Somehow I missed the news that the Bears hired Ekene Ibekwe as their free throw coach.

Posted by: Scott Allen | November 26, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - Overrated nationally, but it doesn't take much to earn the top spot in the Atlantic 11.

George Mason - These guys are miles ahead of VCU and the rest of the CAA right now.

Virginia - Loss to Seton Hall cancels road win at Arizona and drops them to third in my ballot.

Maryland - Fourth by reputation only.

VCU - Fifth by reputation only.

Virginia Tech - Sixth by virtue of association with power conference.

UMBC - American's up and down play prevents me from giving them a homer vote, but voting the team that embarrassed GW 7th in the area is a nice consolation prize.

ODU - You know a poll is in trouble when a team makes it on the strength of their losses (Clemson, North Carolina, Louisville) not their wins (South Carolina St., Toledo, Iona).

GW - Only included in my Top Ten so I can openly mock them.

Loyola (- Gotta give the ten spot to somebody, and the Greyhounds' win over Vermont is the best of the remaining teams.

Posted by: Hayden Alfano | November 26, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - That argument between "They haven't lost yet" and "They haven't beaten anyone impressive" for keeping the Hoyas at #1 is a lot easier to resolve when everyone behind them loses.

George Mason - Mason 07-08 is starting to look like Mason 05-06, but better.

VCU - Bog Poll Rule 1 (the Va Tech rule): You can't fall in the rankings if you don't play. Bog Poll Rule 1a (the VCU rule): If you want to rise, wait for everyone else to lose, and then only play Elon that week.

Virginia - The Cavs lose to the dregs of the Big East and their crazy coach? Did Sean Singletary get healthy or something?

UMBC - After beating GW, UMBC is 3-0 against the A-10. Just ask Karl Hobbs; going undefeated in the A-10 is the perfect route to an 8 seed come March.

Virginia Tech - Bog Poll Rule 2 (Another Va Tech rule): If you're going to lose two games in a week, make sure they're to ranked teams and in Alaska so no one in the Bog Poll is awake for the games.

GW - If there are Georgetown basketball ads in the Foggy Bottom Metro stop, and Mason Nation ads in the Rosslyn stop that most Georgetown students use, how come there are no Colonial ads in the Vienna-Farifax stop? Oh, right, no one wants to see a team that loses to UMBC.

ODU - I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and keep them in the Top 10 even after losing to two top-five teams. And this is in no way to prevent a karma b!tchslap when Georgetown goes down to Norfolk on Wednesday. Revenge!

Posted by: Paul Campbell | November 26, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - A 9-point victory against Ball State is hardly convincing, considering "Ball" is STILL not a state.

Virginia - Is that the sound of dozens of whiny pro-UVA Local Poll Voters eating crow after a 14-point loss to Seton Hall?

Maryland - Gary Williams not worried after 14-point loss to Mizzou because they need only beat Oklahoma to be in the national title game. What? That's the Mizzou football team? Uh oh Gary, time to break out the !@$*...

Old Dominion - ODU will play at home against Georgetown after going on the road to face North Carolina and Louisville. Blaine Taylor likely thinking, "At least we've got strength of schedule locked up! Take that, BCS!"

Virginia Commonwealth - Unprecedented 4-game stretch versus Local 11 Poll teams. Voter tensions build as their Local 11 fate likely hangs in the balance. Okay, so it was just a couple of guys going "hmm, that's interesting."

Virginia Tech - Apparently Hokies cannot topple Zags. Whatever a Zag is.

George Washington - They're 2-1, but with a loss to UMBC they fall to 0-1 in the all-important Local 11. When asked for comment, Karl Hobbs replied, "Local what?"

Posted by: Gavin Weiss | November 26, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Maryland - Lost 2 games but only 1 assistant. All in all, a net gain.

GW - I saw better screening by the TSA at Dulles than against UMBC.

Posted by: Matt Mandel | November 26, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - Nuttin sez Thanksgiving Eve like a Muncie, Indiana!

Virgina - Sean Singletary's return to his native Philly was more like a groancoming than a homecoming.

George Mason - Past three games were played at Disney's Milk House. Next three are at Space Mountain, Swiss Family Treehouse and Mr Toad's Wild Ride.

Maryland - Rebound win against Lehigh was a Patriot Act.

UMBC - Proctor's gambles paid off.

VTech - Still trying to figure out what was so 'Great' about that Alaskan Shootout.

GW - Probably shoulda seeked medication from BALCO before game with MD Bal Co.

James Madison - They mounted Mt Saint Mary.

VCU - Is there any school Elon doesn't play?

Loyola - A gambler's most favorite expression when betting on Loyola, whenever they're favored: '(Michael) Tuck & Cover'

Posted by: Thigh Master | November 26, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

ODU - Is there a category for quality losses?

UVA - Finally succumbed to the Philly/Jersey pollution.

Posted by: Ed Lee | November 26, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

James Madison - The Dukes have the most pathetic out of conference schedule in recent school history, and it shows. Fine work in the Friendly City.

UMBC - As in You Made a Bad Choice in scheduling them, GW.

Maryland - If VCU pulls off the win next Sunday, the BB&T may be reduced to a free-throw shooting competition in 2008.

George Mason - Mason Nation is suddenly hotter than the Colbert Nation, if for no other reason than it doesn't need writers to get TV exposure.

Posted by: John Taylor | November 26, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - Big deal, I "beat Ball State" 5 times this week.

Virginia - With 3 wins over local teams this week, Seton Hall had the most destructive run through the DC Metro area since the British in 1814.

George Mason - Jim Larranaga had to confront issues of body image and self-esteem in matchup against Villanova's 2-time "Fashionable Four" winner Jay Wright.

ODU - Who should be #4 in this poll? The team that needed OT to beat Northeastern? The team that lost to UMBC? UMBC? I guess I'll take the Monarchs, who at least hung with UNC for an entire half. (The Terps will be lucky to do the same.)

Maryland - After back-to-back losses, Gary Williams went off at post-game presser, declaring "DJ Strawberry isn't walking through that door. Juan Dixon isn't walking through that door. Steve Francis isn't walking through that door...."

VCU - One of two area teams to go undefeated this week. I wish that was funny.

UMBC - In search of a comment for this team, I found myself perusing the UMBC basketball media guide. Man, they *own* Frostburg St. And who knew that Jeff Bzdelik coached them for 2 years in the 80s? Damn you, Steinberg - what have I become?

Loyola - 18-0 run by Drexel much more entertaining than entire run of show "Drexell's Class."

Morgan State - Shockingly in a game featuring the Miami Hurricanes, Todd Bozeman was the person with the longest rap sheet involved in Saturday's game.

GW - So is GW going to refuse to play UMBC from now on?

Longwood - No truth to the rumor that Longwood is in talks to join the Cupcake Conference next year.

Radford - Beating Radford in overtime should count as a loss for Air Force.

Posted by: Jamie Paquette | November 26, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

GW WOMEN - Yes they lost to Rutgers, but still they could beat some of these pathetic teams from the DC-VA-MD poll...

Virginia - "You're dead to me Fredo..." The Hoyas will be at the No.1 spot for the next three months because you couldn't beat Seton Hall?!?!?!

UMBC - Their win over GW may be the greatest win in school history.

GW - This ship is sinking faster than Atlantic 10's status.

Posted by: The Cage=Basketball | November 26, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

GW - Got bi*** slapped by the UMBC bi***es.

Posted by: Robert Lintott | November 26, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Morgan State - To celebrate all their success, I'm sitting here drinking Captain Morgan rum, buying tickets to see Gone Baby Gone with Morgan Freeman, watching Super Size Me with Morgan Spurlock, googling old photos of Morgan Fairchild, and getting financial advice from my representative at Morgan Stanley. I could go on all day.

UMBC - The only possible explanation for the early success of the Retrievers is that they managed to recruit Air Bud.

George Washington - What happened was one of the assistant coaches was taking Chinese food orders over the phone and Karl Hobbs ordered Shrimp Fried Rice but the assistant coach thought he said "Suspend Maureece Rice". That's why the Colonials now use Sprint.

Virginia - They could have beaten Seton Hall, but Thomas Jefferson was opposed to it, so they didn't.

George Mason - Yay, the Patriots finally lost! Oh, wait, it was the likable ones? Aw, poo.

Maryland - Based on the free-throw shooting abilities of this team, I think this will be the year they finally blow a ten-point lead to Duke in only the final 40 seconds.

Old Dominion - Unfortunately for them, losses don't stay in Vegas.

Posted by: Max Wass | November 26, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown - Hoyas will travel to Muncie, Ind., Norfolk and Birmingham, Ala. Yet $1.25 ride on 32 bus down Pennsylvania Avenue to Smith Center is deemed an extravagance.

George Mason - Billy Packer guaranteed to be hating on them in March.

Virginia - Owns Hokies in basketball, at least.

VCU - Still much better than Maryland.

Maryland - Win over North Florida did not adequately prepare Terps for players who can dribble with both hands.

Virginia Tech - No, the ending to "Into the Wild" wasn't an allegory about Hokies' trip to Great Alaska Shootout.

UMBC - Lose to Lafayette, beat GW. That makes sense.

GW - Overachievers don't lose to UMBC.

Old Dominion - Toughest schedule among Local Bog Poll teams by about 1 billion miles.

Posted by: Matt Bonesteel | November 26, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

George Mason - Has anyone ever seen Jim Larranaga and Homer Drew in the same room?

VCU - Don't fret; this poll still doesn't have as many highly-ranked two-loss teams as the BCS.

Posted by: David Larimer | November 26, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

George Mason - So great to see the Patriots let the air out of some of the Michael Beasley hype.

GW - Not looking so hot. In my dreams the team rebounds to beat UCLA.

Posted by: Andrew Wiseman | November 26, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, here's how our mid-majors fared in this week's mid major top 25: George Mason (4), VCU (11), Old Dominion (21), with a few votes for Morgan State and one vote for Loyola. None for UMBC or Towson.

Posted by: Dan Steinberg | November 26, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

this is a bit unrelated, but USC beats Southern Illinois by 25 (!) just last night and is still behind them in the ESPN Coaches' Poll. can we stop paying attention to that one now? seriously, i bet the local poll voters could do a much better job on a national scale.

Posted by: jamie | November 26, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

of course, the AP has George Mason behind Kansas State, because, you know, K-State beat UCF by 2! so ridiculous.

Posted by: jamie | November 26, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

What about CNU?!

Posted by: Kenny | November 26, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse

CNU as in Christopher Newport University in VA? The DIII monster?

I believe we're referring to DI here.

Posted by: ?? | November 27, 2007 12:33 AM | Report abuse

And Loyola's one vote is Patsos'...he's the chair of the voting board. Towson > Loyola

Posted by: TU | November 27, 2007 12:35 AM | Report abuse

The coaches who gave Kansas State 50 votes and Mason none right after the Patriots easily beat the Wildcats at a neutral site are clearly biased against the mid-majors.

For what it's worth, Mason is ranked #5 overall in RPI:
http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/polls/rpi/index1

Posted by: PowerBoater69 | November 27, 2007 7:23 AM | Report abuse

That one vote for GW in the AP poll was not a mistake.

Posted by: Pat Buchannan | November 28, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

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