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Cerrato Explains Why the Skins Don't Draft Linemen


Calais Campbell celebrates the Cardinals' division title. (By Ross D. Franklin - AP)


With Inside the Red Zone off today, leaving fans without a crack at Vinny Cerrato, I thought I'd go back to the executive VP's appearance last week on Redskins Nation with Larry Michael. In addition to discussing the Portis-Zorn incident, Cerrato spoke at length on the draft, and why the Redskins went in the unusual direction they did with their second-round picks.

Here's the key point: Cerrato said drafting according to need can be a way to sink your team. "You can't just go take a need," was the exact quote. "The way that you can screw up your team is if you go draft a need, you're gonna get a bunch of guys at those positions but you're not gonna be happy with the results."

And as an example, he pointed to the poor rookie seasons of two defensive ends who some Skins fans wanted: Miami's Phillip Merling, and Arizona's Calais Campbell.

"I mean, it came down to Phillip Merling, people say that we maybe should have taken," Cerrato said. "He has seven tackles right now for Miami."

Damning. Except it's not even close to accurate.

When Cerrato said this, Merling actually had 23 tackles (17 solo) and a sack, according to NFL.com. For a defensive end who has started just two games, that's actually not too shabby.

By way of comparison, Jason Taylor, who's banking $8 million and cost the team two draft picks, had 22 tackles (15 solo) and 1 sack at the time Cerrato offered this explanation, although Taylor did get three tackles and another half-sack yesterday. Andre Carter, the team's most productive end, had 30 tackles (18 solo) and 3 sacks at the time Cerrato was knocking Merling's production.

"I think Calais has like 11 tackles," Cerrato said last week about another DE possibility. Not so. At the time, Calais Campbell had 19 tackles and a forced fumble. He added four more tackles yesterday, giving him 23 for the season, two fewer than Taylor. His one forced fumble is more than the entire Skins defensive line has contributed.

I'm not saying whom Cerrato should have drafted, and I'm not saying Merling or Campbell are, or will be, stars. But if you're speaking directly to your fans, providing them with "inside information" while justifying your past decisions, and you falsify facts to this incredible a degree....well, even if you don't like drafting according to need, you might want to pick up a fact-checker next season.

Here's the full dialogue from the show.

Larry Michael: Vinny, you know we have questions each week for you, but there's a question that everybody has asked and I've gotten e-mails, and so I'll just ask you here about the offensive and defensive lines and drafting. And we've talked to you about this previously on the show, and you've said, 'You know, we're not gonna draft someone just because we need a spot filled right there, we're gonna draft the best person there.' But this team, I guess, will have to have their sights set on helping those two units during the offseason.

Vinny Cerrato: Yeah, absolutely. There's no question. And let me just say this, I think we've mentioned this before, in the offensive line, when we were picking 21st, there were seven offensive linemen that we would have taken at 21.

Michael: Right

Cerrato: All seven were gone by like pick 15. There was some defensive players, there was one defensive player that we loved, and we were gonna take him at 21, we weren't trading back. Even if we had the trade we would NOT trade back, because in all the mock drafts prior to the draft, Jerod Mayo...the linebacker from Tennessee, was a guy that we would have taken.

Michael: Good player.

Cerrato: And then, you know, all the mock drafts, and the closer it got to the draft then the higher he kind of started to move up, and then he ended up going ninth to New England. But otherwise there was no defensive lineman...I mean, it came down to Phillip Merling, people say that we maybe should have taken. He has seven tackles right now for Miami.

Michael: Right, right.

Cerrato: You know, he's a backup. Calais Campbell....

Michael: That's another name, yeah. He hasn't played that much....

Cerrato: You know, I think Calais has like 11 tackles. And then the thing about it is, all right, if you take these guys and they're not really helping you that much, then you still have this huge hole. Then, all right, you're in the West Coast offense, you need big receivers, how come you don't have big receivers?

Michael: Right.

Cerrato: You know? So you can't do it all. So the talent was at the wide receiver, and we're always gonna take the highest-rated guys. So to take a guy like Phillip Merling, then you'd be asking me, 'Why isn't Phillip Merling playing or making any plays?'

Michael: Right.

Cerrato: You know, or Calais Campbell, why is he not playing?

Michael: The same criticism of the wide receivers, per se.

Cerrato: Right. You know, so you've gotta go with how you have them ranked, how you have them graded, and you can't just go take a need. The way that you can screw up your team is if you go draft a need, you're gonna get a bunch of guys at those positions but you're not gonna be happy with the results.

Michael: There you go, straight from Vinny Cerrato.

By Dan Steinberg  |  December 15, 2008; 11:46 AM ET
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Comments

Sounds like a typical conversation between 2 of danny boys lap dogs.. this organization makes me sick

Posted by: bmc153 | December 15, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I hate to admit this but Vinny is right.

You have to just take the best player available. If you draft strictly for positions you are by definition losing value.

Posted by: JeffV7 | December 15, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

what a circle-jerk

Posted by: sunnyman1 | December 15, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Wasting draft picks on rookies takes away from the skins strategy of trading picks for past their prime players.

Posted by: stormblue | December 15, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I understand the idea of taking the best player available in the first round. That much shouldn't be that hard. The part that leads me to believe that Mr. Cerrato's pants are on fire is the part about not drafting to fill a need ... THREE pass catchers in the second round? And that was NOT to fill a need how? [Actually, I'm not sure whether he's a liar or a hypocrite ... either way, I'm dissatisfied both with what he says and what he does.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 15, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Based on his apparent inability to get his NFL stats straight, Vinny is apt to report that Devin Thomas has like 14 touchdowns this season.

Posted by: Scottalius | December 15, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

You can tell by his use of the language, "like" and "you know" every other sentence, that Cerrato is an idiot in well over his head.

I'd throw my shoes at both him and Snyder if I could... take that you dogs!

Posted by: johnvandermyde | December 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

F vinny!

Fire the chooch larry michael!

F vinny!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 15, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Drafting NOT based on need is really working huh?

Posted by: virtueandvice | December 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If only.

Posted by: orangechico | December 15, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato: Right. You know, so you've gotta go with how you have them ranked, how you have them graded, and you can't just go take a need. The way that you can screw up your team is if you go draft a need, you're gonna get a bunch of guys at those positions but you're not gonna be happy with the results.

My god we're doomed!! Thanks Dan for pointing out the FACTS on each player. This is the kind of spin job we'll get in the offseason.

Posted by: trueredskinsfan | December 15, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato is Dan Snyder's Wes Unseld.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 15, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

This drafting strategy is doomed, and it's the reason why Vinny Cerrato is a poor executive at the most fundamental levels.

Tell me Vinny, was Devin Thomas the best player available when he was drafted? Not "was he the highest rated on your board", but was he actually the best player that could have been picked at that spot?

Unequivocally, the answer is no.

That's why you draft for need. You will never find an executive that can guess with 100% accuracy who is the best player available. When you draft for need, your giving your guy the best shot at making an impact on your team. When you draft for "talent", you're gambling that this player's impact will be greater than the weaknesses your team currently has. It is an awful strategy.

Posted by: psps23 | December 15, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Well I guess in the last decade there hasn't been a single defensive lineman ranked on the top of their draft board. I look forward to April of '09 when Vinny drafts another DB in the first round.

Posted by: fufighter2121 | December 15, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I love how Vinny points out (inaccurately) how bad the two defensive lineman have been yet ignores that the three pass catchers he drafted have actually been worse.

Posted by: fufighter2121 | December 15, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

So he's not only any idiot and incapable of building a team but he's a liar too....

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 15, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Should we expect Vinny to skip his Monday AM show the last two weeks also?

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Posted by: tha_prophet | December 15, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

mock draft. with the skins, every draft is a mock(verb) draft...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: alex35332 | December 15, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This is inside the redzone where the fans can get the honest feedback from the GM of the team, unless the team loses then we will avoid the fans at all costs

Posted by: alex35332 | December 15, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

7-9 could get the Redskins in to the top 12/15 of the draft. They'll probably f that up though.

There are some decent OL, DE and LB in this draft.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

This guy is a moran. The skins have a lot of needs and not alot of Cap Room. So, what does Dr.Vinny do? He drafts a tight end when we already have a TE that we just signed to a big deal and is a pro bowler. Who many people think doesnt get the ball enough. Then we draft 2 WRs. When we might have needed one but 2? We have so much money locked up in Randel El and Moss its just stupid. I understand we need big WRs. We needed them 3 yrs ago when u signed a overpaid Punt Returner and made him our 2nd WR. This team is a joke. Its not Zorn fault. Just like it wasnt Turner's fault or Marty's fault, or ball coach's fault. Its Danny and Vinny's fault. Until that changes we are screwed.

Posted by: VickP | December 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

And drafting a punter in the 6th round. No excuse for that. DEN added a rookie punter last year too who ranked higher than Brooks in the NCAA..and they got him as a free agent. He's now ranked top 10 in the NFL...nice work Vinny!

Posted by: ewoldtk | December 15, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'll use Vinny's own words to prove his idiocy:

Vinny: Then, all right, you're in the West Coast offense, you need big receivers, how come you don't have big receivers?

The team "needed" a big WR to implement the West Coast effectively. But instead of drafting one, they drafted three. Genius! And what situation does that leave us with? I'll let Vinny answer that:

Vinny: The way that you can screw up your team is if you go draft a need, you're gonna get a bunch of guys at those positions but you're not gonna be happy with the results.

Posted by: donkeynutts | December 15, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I hate to admit this but Vinny is right.

You have to just take the best player available. If you draft strictly for positions you are by definition losing value.

Posted by: JeffV7 | December 15, 2008 12:16 PM


Are you stupid? Did you not read what was written here? Cerrato gave completely inaccurate information about the young defensive linemen he was referring to as justification for not picking them. LEARN TO READ. Thanks!

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 15, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is also a big fat liar. He said he didnt' draft for need. But somehow he ends up with 3 pass-catchers in the same round??? LIAR!

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 15, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michael, the incompetent loudmouth lackey, who pushed out the beloved Frank Herzog and Vinny Cerrato who shared his novel and brilliant strategy for not drafting linemen.

Vinny you moron, so why didn't you draft Justin Tuck in the third year or a dozen other great linemen drafted in the first or second round?

More importantly, please describe the incriminating photos of Dan "Tiny" Snyder that allow you to run a pro football team. Are these photos of Danny riding one of those miniature horses - or worse?

Posted by: nativedc | December 15, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm impressed that Larry Michael is able to interview Vinny Cerrato while sticking his head out of the former's rear end. Maybe next time he should pass the mic up through Vinny's intestine toward his mouth.

That's assuming Vinny ever takes to the air again, of course. The Skins could lose their last two games, and who in their right mind takes questions during a losing streak? Heaven forbid!

Posted by: drischord | December 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Bog for calling out Danny's pet. He ran the 49ers into oblivion and now he's doing a pretty good job doing the same thing with us. For such a great talent evaluator, he sure doesn't know how to find talent - especially when he's drafting the best player available (and not for need). HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | December 15, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Is Cerrato really using tackles as a measure for how good those rookies are? That is ridiculous. Both Merling and Campbell have played 30 fronts this year, and their responsibility often isn't to attack and make the tackle, but rather, to give their LB's the time to make said plays.

The Redskins should be in a good position to add a key line piece this season. Assuming they pick somewhere in the early-mid teens, it's possible an OL like UVA's Eugene Monroe might be available.

I think, without a 2nd round pick, that the OL should be secondary to the DL. On paper, there isn't the impact DT this year, and the DE's are intriguing, but some won't fit. Michael Johnson would be nice (Georgia Tech), but he likely won't be there, and I'm not sold Orakpo is the dominant edge guy they need. I'd go for the OL guy early, and watch how the end of day 1 goes. If there's a DL guy, and preferably, DE, that's falling, then maybe you trade back into the 2nd. If not, hold steady with the 3rd and find your DL piece.

They should not even remotely consider a WR/TE at any point in this year's draft outside of maybe the 7th round. They need to try and find another young RB, IMO, but those can be found in the UDFA. A young QB is a thought later. LB and CB are needs as well, but they have limited picks and I'd prioritize the OL and DL ahead of those two areas.

Posted by: toonsterwu | December 15, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato and Larry Michael are two morons! Vinny just makes up stats. I can hear him now "Justin Tryon is a legitimate shut down corner. I think he has like 8 interceptions this year."

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | December 15, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

What I really want to hear is the overwhelming "silent majority" that think Vinny and Larry are keys to the organization. Vinny has ALWAYS been mediocre at his job (at best), but Larry Michael simply makes me sick.

The Jason Taylor trade would have been ok if Taylor had even been as effective as he was last season. He's dropped off a cliff this year, so I'll give Vinny a pass. But to pick 2 WR and a TE in the second round and get nothing this season from all 3? Where's the accountability?

Posted by: kingrob76 | December 15, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Sure Vinny is right. You should take the most talented players available. But I think the key question when analyzing anything that Vinny says is whether he is telling the truth. How do we know how players were ranked on their draft boards, or what their scouts were telling them. As we can see from the transcribed interview, Vinny isn't interested in facts, he's only interested in covering his own A$$. So for him, the lack of production from all 3 second round picks is justified by his misinformed opinion of the 2 D-ends that they didn't draft. That's winner's logic for you.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | December 15, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

To think that this year would not be any thing other than a learning experience for Coach Zorn is the wrong interpretation of the Zorn hire. Also, I greatly appreciate an owner who is all in and clearly this owner is one of us, radically in love with our (his) team. I have lived in other cities in my many travels, though my love for the skins has never wained and I will tell you that our owner is a man to be appreciated. A man, whether he is right or wrong has our best interest at heart. We are lucky to have an owner, who will in the end get it right and then keep it right. I am lucky to have been a Redskin fan during the 60's when losing was common place but our love for our team and our attendance never wained either.

Posted by: mlewis2 | December 15, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

This team sucks. Too many prima-donna Miami Players and not enough hard-hat-do -anything to win- grinders.

Moss and Portis are up there with TO- total cancers to any team.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 15, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is either completely inept, or is systematically destroying the Skins for the Vegas mob..Either way, he HAS to go...But if it's the latter, then Snyder is involved, too, and the Skins are dooooooomed....

Posted by: frak | December 15, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is obviously completely inept at picking players with character...instead he drafts cartoon characters. What a diaster! What a farce! What an a-hole Cerrato is! This franchise is going to be on a long downward spiral if Cerrato and Snyder are around. Classless a-holes -guess what...when your very upper management are classless a- holes, your employees follow suit...hence Portis and Moss-absolute-a-hole cancers.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 15, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Golly. If your car needs a transmission but the parts store is having a great sale on wheels and you buy the wheels, well, it's not going to work out well. Call me silly if you want but when you need linemen, really only linemen will fill the bill. Am I missing something?

Posted by: drummizeb | December 15, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

This from a numbnuts moron who drafted a punter who is no longer with the team, a tight end who can't get on the field ahead of Todd Yoder, not to mention compete with Cooley, and a couple of receivers, one who should have been on IR all year and another who seems to be Michael Westbrook 2.0. When we needed linemen and a possession receiver. How stupid are you, Cerrato?

Posted by: live1 | December 15, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

It's truly sad that a fanbase so big and loyal has to put up with a liar and a napoleon running the show.

Thanks Dan for pointing out to all the fans once again what a scumbag Vinny is.

Keep up the good work.

Posted by: nford2 | December 15, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Larry's head is so far uVinny's rear, all he can do is wiggle his toes.

Posted by: dkeedick | December 15, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

It's odd, the one yr Vinny wasn't around was 2001 under Marty but somehow he seems to have learned on of Marty's guiding beliefs . . . that unless the guy is an exceptional player, don't draft for OL in the first 3 rds b/c (per Marty) there are flawed tallents in rds 4 and below who can be made into good OL starters if they have smarts and tenacity.

Taking Vinny out of the picture for a moment (and if only it could be for much longer) I wont let Bugel off the hook on some of this . . . seems his best days are long past. None of the younger OL guys they've brought on board via whatever means since 2004 have amounted to all that much with the exception of Stephan Hyer on occassion. In 5 yrs Bugel should have been able to beg, borrow or steal better depth and fill in performances from the materials given him than this unit has.

Posted by: snowking52 | December 15, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should promote Cerrato up and out. Make him Executive VP of Football, Stadium, Restaurant AND Radio Operations. Perhaps with this expanded role, Vinny can find the additional free time to do more than the measly two radio shows a week he currently does during the season.

Posted by: rooster75 | December 15, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Good call on Buges. You woulda thunk he'd gotten more out of the utility offensive linemen that they draft late. He's gotten nothing out of them. Of course, you never know if he had any input on drafting these players. Can't make champagne out of lemons.

And Cerrato should be tarred and feathered. He's a lying sack of incompetence.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 15, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is either incompetent or he assumes the rest of us are stupid.

Either way he is not fit to be GM. His latest draft was a nightmare.

Posted by: fpickering | December 15, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm a 'Skins fan living in Atlanta and I have seen firsthand the difference a real GM makes for a team. Thomas Dimitroff has completely turned around this team with wise picks, a good coaching hire and solid , though not spectacular free agent signings. Cerrato is a joke. It's incredibly depressing watching what he and Snyder have done to this team. They have no clue how to scout and clearly have no idea of how to put together a FULL team. If they did maybe we'd have a competent offensive and defensive line.

Posted by: adrianne87 | December 15, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

To link this under the heading "Cerrato's Draft Theory" is inaccurate, at best.

Using that headline suggests he has a theory, and since his arrival in Washington, there has been zero evidence to support that notion.

I'm sure he does a swell job as Little Danny's caddy and can wash a car with the best of them, but the draftniks who attend the NFL Draft each April could do a better job.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | December 15, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

It's been a tough 365 no matter how you cut it, with Sean Taylor and Buges daughter and whoever else I'm missing, oh yeah, Kevin Mitchell, jeeziz, reality...But, Buges has been too distracted or depressed (can you blame him) and the front line has suffered along with him..Would like to see him retire before too long, he's been great and earned those Super Bowl rings, but he needs to please step aside gracefully..peace into the Golden Glory ..

Posted by: frak | December 15, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Redskin fan come thick or thin, but when you have an idiot like VC making the important choices, you can't even look forward to the following seasons with hopes for a good draft, and free agent signings. Daniel S., please find a real general manager for our beloved team.

Posted by: coastallp74 | December 15, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

What the Giants and Patriots have shown the NFL world is that O-LINE AND D-LINE ARE ALWAYS A NEED!!
Why do you think the Giants won the Super Bowl last year, being able to rotate guys on the D-line to keep up a constant pass rush is a monster advantage. Tuck (round 3), Cofield (round 4), Osi (round 2), Kiwanuka (round 1). Look at the Pats. Drafting Wilfork, Ty Warren, Seymour, all with 1st rounders. Jarvis Green (round 4), also a big contributor.

Vinny's philosophy is like building a house by skimping on the foundation and floor but spending all the money on fancy additions. Eventually, the house will sink in to the ground.

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 15, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Vinny does have a tendency to get defensive and start shooting off his mouth -- I remember that from San Francisco. Not much of an excuse, though. He blew it this time.

Merling and Campbell are both good prospects, but neither was a particularly good fit for Blache's scheme. Of course, Jason Taylor isn't, either. Most scouts in the League thought at the time that Washington got better value from the receivers and the extra pick than they would have from either defensive end. But so far, at least, it looks like they were wrong.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 15, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

You idiots blaming Buges do not know anything about football.Buges did the best job of his career last season by piecing together an o line made of toilet paper.This year when the draft was going on and Buges ran into the draft room requesting dumb a** Vinny move up and draft Jeff Otah from Pitt only to be turned down.He realized he would be pasting together an o line where only the two players on the left side where worthy to be starters in the NFL.Samuels and Kendall are the only two NFL o line starters the Redskins have.Jeff Otah is a Pro Bowler and Samuels may be good enuff to play from the right side,because at this point in his career he is not even close to being a starting left tackle.The Skins need a total rebuilding plan.They suck and it starts with the Owner GM and maybe the coach.Jury is still out on Zorn, but Vinny needs to be fired TOMMOROW!!!

Posted by: keithamcgregor | December 15, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

What an absolute fool. First of all, if you know of seven OLs who are draftable in the first round, and you couldn't trade up in some way to get them? Not that you would do that, I don't know. I do know the Redskins of the 1980s, Bobby Beathard, Joe Gibbs and Jack Kent Cooke, had success at picking quality offensive linemen and defensive linemen in later rounds.

Because it's not enough to just evaluate what you think are top picks, or necessary picks. You have to scout them. You have to watch every snap they're in on in college. You have to know their tendencies with different looks on defense, and so on. And, you've got to spy on them, to see if their elbow bending might interfere with their on-field production. Vinny just doesn't sound like he does that. If he does that fine, but even so, he's done a lousy job of scouting, of looking for the best players to fit the team.

That's another thing Vinny may not take into account, because the team has had six head coaches in nine years. How can you scout for who fits best in the Redskins system if you can't pin down exactly what the Redskins system is going to be?

General managers know that stuff. Draft picks can bust, no matter what. Free agent deals can be wastes of time and money no matter who ink the deals. But in reading about what Cerrato does in preparation, it's just like he doesn't know fully what he's doing.

Posted by: Meepo | December 15, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

The proof is in the pudding. Under Vinnie's direction, the Skins are under .500.

Thats the great thing about sports. The score is kept and the results can not be debated.

At the end of the day, Vinnie has failed in his job.

Posted by: spnats | December 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Ceratto likes to say that he drafted using the best player available theory, but the team hadn't even vetted Davis. Davis said that he had no contact with the Redskins before the draft and was stunned when they chose him. How can Cerrato spend a highly valuable 2nd round pick on a player he hasn't even contacted - let alone scouted or worked out - and claim with any semblance of a straight face to have chosen the best available player? There is no sane accountability, either for Cerrato or Grunfeld and the Wiz. Cerrato took a huge risk throwing three no. 2s at WR/TE when the Redskins were pre-Cambrian along both lines in a division flush with elite linemen. Had it worked out, fine, but the strategy has turned out by any rational analysis to be a laughable failure. Now he needs to pay the piper and leave. Same with Grunfeld and his strategy of keeping together an aging one-and-done playoff team, while resigning an injury-plagued Arenas to a long-term deal. Great if it works out, but it didn't, and it is time Grunfeld take responsibility, as any of us in any job would have to if our job performance were as poor. Problem is, Danny is both paranoid and egomaniacal, needs his yes boy Ceratto, and will never hold him to any rational job performance standard. Pollin, bless him, is well beyond running his team anymore and has neither the energy nor the health needed to take the reins and Grunfeld to task. The result is that DC sports fans will continue to suffer for years to come, as we have for nearly two decades with the Skins and three with the Wiz. I hate hockey, but it's the only thing we have at the moment. Go Caps!

Posted by: SammyT1 | December 15, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

what there hasnt been a single lineman in the past ten years close enough to the top of the list to take? this isn't a one year thing. every year we've needed lineman and every year they are basically ignored in the draft.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | December 15, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Man, the bog is commenting it up today, ain't it?

I'm not sure why you listen to the Vinny Show and pick at it's homerism and self-serving logic. Got it. Move on. Spend that listening time thinking up ways to force more Smoot quotes into the blog, which actually make good reading. ;^) I'm as frustrated with the Skins' front office as you, (can Schottenheimer really be the only guy able to tell Vinny's not the best man for the job?) but there's no reason to have it bring the Bog down with it.

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 16, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

keithamcgregor, great post. I don't get the Buges hate anywhere -- it's on ES too -- since all he did was take a washed up line and a coach/OC without a run game and turn out a 6-2 start to the season riding on Portis' back.

Not real sure where they go from here. OL is certainly a need, but I guess the Skins won't be drafting one for that reason, huh? They should work on merging Heyer's pass blocking and quickness with Janson's run blocking into one player called Son Jeyer.

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Posted by: WorstSeat | December 16, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe all the stuff that comes out of Vinny's mouth. I have never experienced anyone so ill-suited for a job in my life. If he wasn't in Snyder's little tiny back pocket he wouldn't be allowed near the team. His inability to grasp the basic concepts of positions/needs/drafting means he has no clear concept or understanding of the future focus required for an executive in charge of putting together a professional sports team. Until he is removed and someone with an independent backbone can talk some sense into Napolean/Snyder this team will continue to flounder in mediocrity!!

Posted by: hegemonic1350 | December 16, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

>>> The proof is in the pudding. Under Vinnie's direction, the Skins are under .500.
Thats the great thing about sports. The score is kept and the results can not be debated.
At the end of the day, Vinnie has failed in his job. <<<

This is the bottom line. We can debate the specific mistakes made. We can even debate who's at fault. But the owner's going nowhere, and Zorn needs another shot. VC is the logical choice to go. Aside from the owner, he's the common factor in all of the mistakes made over the years. I know it's hard, Danny, but when it ain't working, a change needs to be made.

Posted by: SkinScribe | December 16, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

no one wants to coach in DC, so it's either more Zorn or someone else who can only get hired by showing some respect for little Danny, which inevitably means you get someone who'll get no respect from the players

Posted by: TGT11 | December 16, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Until Snyder either dies or sells the team or gets a REAL GM who actually knows Football, this team is looking at 30+ years of mediocrity!! ... "sigh"

Posted by: bmillison | December 16, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

ok so we aren't drafting for need.. so take 3 pass catchers because they are big, when clearly better recievers were available?

Just look at the stats. They were the least most productive of all 2nd round pass catchers? What happened to BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE?? FIRE VINNY!!!!!!!

Posted by: OMFG | December 16, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Okay so drafting our top players makes sense, I can MAYBE defend drafting Thomas but Kelly and Davis COME ON!!! Don't they realize that they have Cooley? Last time I check he's pretty good a top TE in the league. Why do we keep ignoring OL and DL I can't understand why we can't take young players from the draft and build from them, the Redskins are the only organization that is so sold on acquiring "star" players at the end of their careers, Vinny probably thinks this is like fantasy football. What is Vinny's resume anyway?Last time I checked he's done nothing He was a disaster ever since he's step in to Director of Player Personnel, he's done NOTHING! if anyone needs to get fired is HIM! if you want a great GM why doesn't Danny Boy get a bucket of money and knock on Bill Parcell's house asking him to fix this mess, last time I checked Parcell is doing an ok (sarcastically) job with Miami, I'm a casual fan and even I know who's good and who isn't! The front of office of the Redskins get paid for this?! what a joke you think they would of learn after 10 years of failure.In the last 4-5 years the only good thing that's come out of the draft has been Taylor, Cooley, Betts (maybe) and Campbell (maybe too) and that's IT! everybody else stink and I don't want to hear how good Horton is when Vinny didn't even thought of drafting him instead the coach of UCLA CALLED Vinny telling all about this guy! come on!!! what's it going to take? I'm a loyal fan but with all this nonsense that's going on is REALLY hard to root for them. I will continue cheering for them and hoping they win every game but not with the same intensity as I once did. Vinny STOP IGNORING THE DRAFT!!!!!!
The best time to be a Redskins fan is the off-season because we don't play a single minute of football. I can so see it now...we're going to trade picks to get Chad Johnson and don't be surprise if we trade for Burress as well...great that's all we need...this sounds really stupid but you know in "Redskins World" it makes complete sense.

Posted by: ijucei | December 16, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato + Larry Michael = the Skins SPIN ZONE!

It's way past time to fire Cerrato and get someone who can actually draft properly!

FIRE VINNY!

Posted by: hail2DaSkins | December 17, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

About half the people here say draft for needs; that is, draft people for specific positions you think you need to fill. aobut half here say draft the best player available, regardless of position, becaue even though you may already have someone in the position, you can't afford to lose a good player (who might play another position for you), and you don't want to give someone else the best player available. And several others say pick who you have on your board, regardless of whether or not someone is on the board because he wasn't taken (and your board reflects that he would be gone by then).

Not everyone here agrees with one specific course of action, why should you expect every pro draft to work out the way you expect. Has every draft worked out the way you wanted to or hoped it would? Of course not, but the drafts of other teams haven't worked out either. When you draft late, because you have a set, or established team, you can afford to hold out the person you drafted late and let them gain experience over time, rather than hope they can have an immediate impact.

Of course, if everyone here is such a good prognosticator and coach, instead of using anonymous screen names, can you post your real name and/or e-mail address so that the Redskins can contact you about their needs. It's a wonder that, based on everyone's anonymous skill and knowledge, that they haven't already been hired by the Redskins or another professional team.

If you're going to say F this and F that, at least be open about it and identify yourself so that the people you are saying it to can get back with you to see how they can improve and have you say B them (bless them, bless them).

Jeff
Dungarees@gmail.com

Posted by: Dungarees | December 17, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is an idiot is so is larry michael, who's best work was working the stuttering john fight for howard stern. Yes, you draft the best players available but that does not mean best players and need are mutually exclusive? it requires a little dynamic thinking which apparently that brain dead bulging eye moron does not have. I hear people say vinny is a football man and it makes me crazy. he's been around the game as a GOPHER his whole career. That makes him a stagehand not a director.

I don't even like the skins but living in metro dc I feel sorry for all my friends who have to put up with two idiots running what was the most admired franchise in the area. One can only hope synder invested all his earnings with maddoff!

Posted by: jdb70 | December 17, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow, it couldn't get more plain and simple than that. Pure buffoonery - straight no chaser. Why don't we just hire Papa Smurf? Truthfully I kinda want to see Snyder get hit with some serious financial trouble and have to sell his stake in the team. I don't want him to be broke or anything - the guy is a great businessman and seems to be a good person. He could even buy back in later on because I know he means well, but I'd really like to see someone competent fill the GM position. And I know that will never happen under Snyders watch. True shame - but at least I have my Sundays back. Not watching the rest of this season.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | December 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Utterly amazing. Taking this rational to its logical conclusion relative to the way the Redskins have drafted over the past ten years, one must conclude the team NEVER had an opportunity during that period to draft a lineman, who over time with development, would become a starter and productive member of the Redskins.

If you believe this, I'm sure you also believe the Earth is flat.

Mr. Cerrato also fails to acknowledge how difficult it is to draft quality players each year when you have already traded away most of your draft picks to secure aging, past their prime players.

That business model alone is completely idiotic.

Mr. Cerrato, please, for the love of common sense and a degree of professional competence...QUIT.

Posted by: ferventfan74 | December 17, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

After the interview, Larry and Vinny jerked each other off to pictures of Dan Snyder having sex with goats and blew all over each others faces. Then they had a nice little German Schei├če party between the two of them. Cleveland Steamers, anyone?

Posted by: VeloStrummer | December 17, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Jeff,

Since you want names, I'm Fred and I have posted my very own draft from draft day earlier in the thread but here are some highlights:

CB Brandon Flowers (currently starting for Chiefs)
DE Calias Campbell (currently starting for Arizona and pictured above)
WR Limas Sweed
OT Anthony Collins (currently starting for Cincy)

I also wanted to add that in the fifth round of the 2005 draft I along with many others were screaming for the Skins to draft DE Chris Canty but what did the Skins do? We drafted our second FB who has. contributed exactly nothing.

It is beyond maddening that a guy like me who does mock drafts as a hobby can consistently out draft an NFL GM..... and yes I guarantee that I'll out draft him again next year.

Posted by: fpickering | December 17, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato and Larry Michael are two morons! Vinny just makes up stats. I can hear him now "Justin Tryon is a legitimate shut down corner. I think he has like 8 interceptions this year."
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Lol, and "Durant Brooks is kicking the ball so well that we need NASA to track where his punts end up."

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | December 18, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

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