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Local Poll Week V: Mumble Mumble Mumble

Virginia Tech takes a dive, but isn't punished. (Photo by Matt Gentry - AP; design by Ian Oland)

The biggest enemy of sporting enterprises, from teams to media outlets, is boredom. If you're in the entertainment biz, and you're stuck in a rut of rotting repetition, then what's the point?

What I'm saying is, the Atlantic 11 needs something. A quintuple overtime thriller between GW and American this week. Virginia Tech losing to Columbia. One-win Howard winning the back-end of its bizarre home-and-home with Oregon State. Longwood joining the ACC. Something.

Because five weeks in, we're already facing boredom. This week's rankings were identical to last week's with just one exception: George Washington moved up to ninth, on the strength of that impressive home win over Harvard, and Virginia slid down one spot.

No. 1 Georgetown was unanimous. No. 2 Maryland was nearly unanimous. No. 3 Virginia Tech wasn't punished for losing at Georgia, presumably because voters aren't ready to reward George Mason. Me, I say Liberty deserves to be No. 3, for variety's sake if nothing else. Plus, we've already shed like 50 percent of our voters. I'm thinking about selling these unused D.C. voting slots to Philly fans on Craigslist.

Rankings after the jump; pith to follow shortly.

1. Georgetown (7-1) 620 (62)
--Next: Saturday vs. Mount St. Mary's.
--Had to go into overtime to bring down a John Calipari coached team. Remember a time when all it took was cash? (Jack Lambert)

2. Maryland (7-2) 553
--Next: Off.
--If the Redskins' defense makes Greg Blache feel like Forest Gump's mother, I wonder what Maryland's big men make Gary Williams feel like. (Devin Perry)

3. Virginia Tech (6-4) 382
--Next: Saturday vs. Columbia.
--Dorenzo Hudson one-upped the Iraqi shoe-throwing journalist Sunday by going 0-3 from the field. (Markus Videnieks)

4. George Mason (6-2) 373
--Next: Friday vs. Radford.
--You might be a mid-major if...your next three games are against the Highlanders, the Green Wave, and the Flyers. (Brian Bald)

5. VCU (6-3) 351
--Next: Wednesday vs. Akron, Saturday at Oklahoma.
--Actually plays longtime rival residing in own city, unlike a certain team whose name rhymes with Borgebown. (Matt Bonesteel)

6. Liberty (6-2) 334
--Next: Tonight vs. Anderson, Wednesday at DePaul, Friday at Saint Louis.
--Seth Curry did not play this week, but he aced his finals, prompting academic departments heads at Harvard, Princeton and MIT to ask their admissions officers why they did not recruit him more heavily. (Bill Fitzgerald)

7. VMI (8-2) 234
--Next: Sunday at Army.
--Beat Southern Wesleyan, better known as Wesleyan's cousin school that they don't talk about. (Max Wass)

8. Navy (8-2) 169
--Next: Saturday at Canisius.
--Mount St. Mary's win makes them 8-2 this year, 1-0 against teams that made the NCAA Tourney last year, and 1-0 against teams that barely made the NCAA Tourney last year. (Paul Campbell)

9. George Washington (4-2) 132
--Next: Wednesday vs. No. 11 American.
--Karl Hobbs's substitution patterns confuse even the kids from Harvard. (John Albers)

10. Virginia (3-3) 104
--Next: Wednesday vs. Longwood, Saturday vs. Auburn.
--How long before Craig Littlepage decides not to extend Leitao's contract as well? (Ben Shlesinger)

11. American (4-4) 47
--Next: Wednesday at No. 9 George Washington, Saturday at UMBC.
--Kinda feels like Jeff Jones and the boys are sitting at Holsten's diner right now, doesn't it? (Christopher Ring)

Also receiving votes: Richmond 25, Old Dominion 24, UMBC 18, Mount St. Mary's 10, Hampton 5, Towson 5, Radford 3, James Madison 2, William & Mary 2, Longwood 1, Norfolk State 1.

By Dan Steinberg  |  December 15, 2008; 3:52 PM ET
Categories:  Atlantic 11 , College Basketball  
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hey if you are slow for news the AFL is shutting down for the year. Spin it baby!

Posted by: alex35332 | December 15, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Need more pith. Also, votes for local high school lacrosse teams in the college basketball rankings.

Posted by: Colm1 | December 15, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

As one of the prodigal voters this week, I apologize. Once football season ends my pith will be outstanding.

Posted by: larimerd | December 15, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

sorry, apparently grading finals is more work than taking them

Posted by: EdLeee | December 15, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

What about Morgan State winning at DePaul? Wait a minute, that one actually happened. Nobody noticed.

Posted by: evwill | December 15, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Why not just have a celebrity guest voter every week and have their votes count for 50% of the total? Or give voters a chance to select an "honorary local school of the week", like say Michigan for beating Duke? Or do what House did at the beginning of season 4 and hold a Survivor-like competition to weed out the unworthy voters? Any of those.

Posted by: MaxWass | December 15, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

What about we hold a random voter drawing every week and have the selected voter explain his/her votes, without pith?

Posted by: evwill | December 15, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse


and ruin the integrity of the A11 Poll? Never!!

Posted by: olsonchr | December 15, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

No - don't give the voting slots to Philly dwellers! I'll step up to the plate should it come to such an impasse.

Posted by: Lindemann777 | December 15, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

was MIA for today's vote as well due to holiday party hangover. this time of year isn't terribly exciting anyway due to the lack of games. some teams go 2-3 weeks in between games.

@evwill - it was noticed, but the Bozeman's are 4-6, recently lost to St. Francis (PA), and DePaul isn't very good. if they beat Washington or Maryland, look for them to show up here.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | December 15, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I love a good cheapshot at John Calipari, just sorry I couldn't think of one.

Posted by: fitzfacts | December 15, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Haha, this poll has officially jumped the shark. Not penalizing teams for losing; not rewarding teams for winning. And no concern for SOS or head-to-head, only total record (except for Tech, which somehow gets a pass for losing to a horrid Georgia squad).

Can we please have each team's RPI listed by their names/ would be interesting to analyze how an unbiased professional ranking works compared to internet voters basing votes on god knows what.

Posted by: VamosUnited | December 15, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

RPI sucks. here's how the teams should be ranked according to (ranking within all D-1 schools in parentheses):

Georgetown (1)
Maryland (27)
VCU (74)
Mason (80)
Va. Tech (88)
Virginia (121)
GW (122)
Liberty (146)
Richmond (147)
VMI (156)
American (161)
Navy (163)
Mt. St. Mary's (168)
ODU (188)
Towson (202)
Morgan St. (207)
UMBC (210)

etc. unless you're a Virginia fan (or a Mount fan), what do you really have to complain about? and even if we say the Cavs have a legit beef, they lost to Liberty at home.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | December 16, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Yep - Liberty's RPI is a victim of their own scheduling. Do we really think that they're worse than Virginia just because they happen to play Coker, Anderson and Montreat (there's a law firm joke in there somewhere)? That's why the computers aren't the only source.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 16, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's how I voted...


--Poll voter Markus V.

Posted by: mgv4232 | December 16, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Cool. I'll play too.
Here's how I voted:

-Norfolk State (Only because I felt no one else really deserved it. Plus, it's Christmas)

Posted by: jplambert | December 16, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

To be fair, I didn't vote for Morgan State because every team in the MEAC has a decent shot against DePaul.

Also, with graduate school done for the year, I can focus more of my energy on clever comparisons between Greivis Vazquez and 'High School Musical 3.'

Posted by: StetSportsBlog | December 16, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

@ dimesmakedollars

Yea, research! You've taken a kenpom RPI poll that doesn't exist, because kenpom doesn't do RPI anymore.


George Mason
George Washington
Virginia Tech
Virginia Commonwealth
Mt. St. Mary's
Morgan St.

Posted by: apfeln1 | December 16, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Wait... we're supposed to assign numbers to each team? What???!!! I love all of my children equally, Mr. Dan.

Posted by: eangevine | December 17, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Stevens's Washington Times D1Scourse blog now has his own "Delmarva/DC" rankings. He includes the two Delaware D1 schools, which is a nice gesture for our neighbors to the east, but overall I found it lacking in pith.

Posted by: mikeinrockville | December 17, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I finally read about the AU-GW game. I hope that Steven Goff, an AU grad, got a nice gift from GW for his explanation of why the two teams haven't played for 5 seasons. What was the RPI for Kennesaw State and UMES when GW played them a few years ago? I think AU should get extra votes for playing almost all the DI schools in the area this year. No one else is doing that.

Posted by: akafan | December 19, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

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