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Ovechkin, Greivis and Showboating


(By Greg M. Cooper - Reuters)

Did you watch the end of the Terps' game last night? If not, here's what you missed. Maryland was up by eight. N.C. State wasn't fouling. Players were doing that slow-walk-off-the-court thing as time wound down. This is the time when the guy with the ball usually stands still, and tosses the ball toward the refs with about 1.3 seconds left.

Except "the guy with the ball" in this case was named Greivis Vasquez. He dribbled the ball up court, set his feet and launched a three. He made it. The fans took it well.

"BOOOOOOOOOOO," they said.

Greivis was pulled aside to do a television interview. As he talked to the reporter, the fans offered a few more thoughts.

"BOOOOOOOOOOO," they said.

Later, Greivis apologized.

"I should have never shot it," he said, according to the Charlotte Observer. "I apologize. But I was into the game, and I made it. It was kind of disrespectful to the fans....They have a great team and great fans, so I know they're going to be mad at me."

Well, they were. ("I still wouldve ran onto the court and clotheslined him if I was there and not on spring break," for example.) So were Duke fans. ("A very unclassy move by a jerky player," for example.) The TV guys weren't happy, saying that Gary Williams would likely have a few words with Greivis in the locker room and that it was an unnecessary move.

(State Coach Sidney Lowe wasn't angry with Vasquez but with his own players, according to the News & Observer, saying "You play to the buzzer rings....What bothers me more is that we weren't with him.")

That's all by way of saying that, look, that's a pretty easy to understand (if not mean-spirited) form of bad sportsmanship. Doesn't mean the world is ending, doesn't mean Greivis Vasquez is a bad person, but putting points on the board when no one else is playing and the game has been decided to pad your own stats would rarely be called classy.

Which brings us to Don Cherry and Alex Ovechkin. If you missed it, hockey/television legend Cherry criticized the Capitals' star forward for his enthusiastic post-goal celebrations on "Hockey Night in Canada."

(Ovechkin's response, by the way: "What I can say? He's a funny guy, old guy.")

Look, I'm not Canadian. I don't play hockey. Maybe I just am ill-equipped to ever understand the particular mores of the sport. Maybe each sport gets to define what is or is not classless within its game, and the rest of the world has to adapt. Maybe celebrating a goal has never and will never be an accepted part of the game to certain old-timers. Maybe the easiest course of action is to score, say "yay!" quietly and skate back to center ice.

But maybe sentient 21st century humans could take a step back, have a moment's thought in quiet, and realize that 3.42 seconds of hugging and leaping will not likely bring the republic to its knees, that blowing off post-goal sirens and encouraging fans to jump and hug while asking players to react with the verve of a Secret Service agent on codeine is a bit silly, that occasional leaps of joy are no more self-indulgent and pre-planned rants in front of TV camears, and that willfully trying to take electricity out of a game that still needs all the eyeballs it can get is the sort of forward thinking that has helped sustain such sporting dynamos as horse racing, polo and contract bridge.

And claiming, as does Mick Kern, that it's perfectly fine for Ovechkin to celebrate his goals but that he should expect to pay the price physically isn't much better. If the former is okay, then the latter is by definition a cheap shot, and far more unsporting than a spontaneous leap of joy.

The "sports as entertainment" thing can get old, but professional sports exist not as idealized chess boards on which the physical merits of noble warriors can be tested and re-tested to the sterile applause of sober bystanders. They're about having a bit o' fun. Otherwise, they wouldn't sell beer and Dippin Dots.

If Ovechkin's 3.42 seconds of fun were driving away fans by the droves, he might be worth reining in. Eleven straight sellouts in D.C. would seem to indicate otherwise. If Ovechkin's 3.42 seconds of fun were elaborately planned routines involving scowls, posturing and the throwing of chalk into the air, he might be worth your scorn. But how can you scorn boyish glee? So if his fun merely offends aging Canadians who believe class only skates in straight lines and things were definitely better before the invention of the combustion engine, well, wah wah wah. Go play Parcheesi or something. Just don't celebrate when you roll doubles.

(And yeah, there are classier ways to respond, but at least I didn't make any jokes about constipation.)

(And yeah, if Ovechkin's team were up eight and he fired a long-distance shot into an empty net while popping his jersey, maybe I'd reconsider.)

(More feedback links at Japers.)

By Dan Steinberg  |  March 2, 2009; 11:13 AM ET
Categories:  Caps , Terps  
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Comments

i'm totally with you on ovechkin.

this coming from a guy who hates the choreographed NFL touchdown celebrations and sack dances and the whole tomahawk 1st down pointing and the like.

but i see nothing wrong with spontaneous celebration at all. like OV or papelbon's fist pump (and i hate the saux). if you're celebrating in the moment, good for you. as an opposing player commented in an earlier blog posting of yours, if you don't want him to celebrate, don't let him score.

now, if he was getting in peoples' faces with the celebration and taunting i'd be agreeing with the haters. or if he was pulling out a sharpie to put a mark/notch for a goal on his stick. but pumping a fist and enjoying the crowd adulation? cherry et al should get over themselves.

Posted by: sec231 | March 2, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

If you're down 8-0 and you left an empty net, I think you are expected to be scored on in hockey, 80 feet or not. But I would not expect 3.42 seconds of celebration for the goal on this occasion.

Posted by: shhhhh | March 2, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin isn't showing anyone up. He's not in anyone's face, he's not pointing at anyone, and he's not performing any preplanned rituals. There's no sharpie, no interpretive gestures, and neither the puck nor the stick is used as a prop.

None of the players seem to take umbrage. Fans who are upset would be just as upset if he did not celebrate. It's the goal that stings, not the joy thereafter.

Cherry's Canadian bias is always evident, and I don't begrudge him his preferences. But the game is passing him by, and he's starting to sound like an old curmudgeon.

Posted by: JohninMpls | March 2, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Greivis was not showboating, it was just a plainly one of those moments where thought got beyond him - which seems to happen too often for him to be a good player with his aspirations for the next level.

Posted by: shhhhh | March 2, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I was under the impression the Vasquez hit that three at the buzzer as an "in your face" to the fans whom they showed heckling and bantering with Greivis seconds earlier. But that is just my opinion.

Posted by: fushezzi | March 2, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

great stuff, stein. ovie's celebrations strike me as just that, celebrations. not taunting or trying to show up your opponent. i think players understand the difference.

yesterday's game was a perfect example. ovie scores a fluky, meaningless goal at the end of a rout. he didn't go crazy. just kinda raised his stick almost apologetically. contrast that with football players who slap each other silly for making a tackle even though the other team got a first down.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | March 2, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin's jumping into the glass can in no way be compared Vasquez's shameful antics. Ovechkin is just celebrating with fans who love to be recognized as part of the game by the star player.

I haven't seen many Caps road games lately, but I'm pretty sure Ovechkin doesn't jump into the glass during away games (correct me if I'm wrong). So he's not being disrespectful. Vasquez of course was. Zero class.

Final thought: why is it that all the old sports guys in so many sports think it's ok to cheap shot somebody in retaliation? It's not just this Mick Kern clown and hockey. You hear it with throwing at people in baseball, late or unclean hits in football, and intentional fouls in basketball. Hint to the old guys: that's not how athletes are supposed to regulate themselves, because hurt players are bad for everybody.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | March 2, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

In defense to Vasquez the Terps are a bubble team and need every point posible to qualify for the tourney.

As for Ovechkin I have no issues with him celebrating after every goal. It is a hard feat to score a goal and to consistantly score goals is a huge feat. It also get's all the home fan's into the game as well, which explains why they sell out a lot more games than they used to.

Posted by: Tacaraya | March 2, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

it's no big deal...like it was said, the game is over...maybe it's just tossing up a shot like a pre-game type of thing...just toss one up and get out of here...game over...stop crying already

Posted by: sir_blip | March 2, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm with dcsportsfan on this one. Ovechkin's celebrations seem to be perfectly timed to the moment to me. a meaningful goal (one that changes or is likely to change the outcome of a game) is celebrated, one that isn't (up by four in the third, down by 5) is acknowledged but not a big deal.

Personally, I believe in celebrating goals, they should be precious. if the other team isn't celebrating scoring on you, then one of two things is true: you are blowing them out, or they are blowing you out. Don't act like a goal is an every day occurrence, because unless you are Wayne Gretzky, it isn't.

Posted by: joshuaostevens | March 2, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Dippin Dots will bring the republic to its knees

Posted by: fitzfacts | March 2, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Don Cherry has been an old curmudgeon for years and years. His hate for Russians and Europeans in general knows no bounds. He is a populist conservative xenophobe. It plays well with lots of yahoos I suppose. It was funny to watch him go on and on Saturday night and then claim that Ron MacLean would agree with him off the air to which Ron got about as angry as you ever see him get on the air.

But it really is hard to understand what it is he is so mad about other than the fact that Ovie is more popular than his pet Crosby (a good, beautiful Canadian boy). Overchkin shows his joy. He plays hard and celebrates hard. I would guess most players wish they could do half of the things he does. And I wouldn't worry about Ovechkin getting "cut in half" by a good Canadian as Cherry would like to see happen. He dishes it out at least as well as he gets it.

Posted by: fedssocr | March 2, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I have not noticed, but if Alex is making a big deal of a goal that makes it 6-2 instead of 6-1 at the end of a game, (like the loss to Florida), I would hope that he doesn't celebrate and stay focused, because the goal is basically meaningless and the team didn't do it's job.

The same thing goes for linebacker who celebrates a big hit he just made on a running back who just ran for 8 yards against his defense. Maybe part of what he's doing there is trying to rev him or his team up, I don't know.

I have to think some of the celebration has to be kind of a release, which I have no problem with.

Posted by: gonhkn | March 2, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, in both cases, if you don't want either to happen, play better defense.

Ovie doesn't go wild on an empty netter, and it's arguable that the Terps need someone like Vasquez right now to polarize the team. You don't want him shooting a 3 as time expires? Guard him, at least in a token fashion. Who knows what was said to him during the game, by both the fans and the other team?

You don't run it up on a team that *can't* defend itself, but N.C. State got lazy. Vasquez should've gone up to the rim and bounced it off the backboard 8 or 9 times (to pad his rebound stats) and then put it in as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: kingrob76 | March 2, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Don Cherry is a has-been nitwit who now looks something like a down-and-out Liberace. That said, Ovechkin is no whiny punk like Crosby. His celebrations aren't in-your-face; they're okay by me. All of this was brought on by Cherry because he always has to defend Canadian players (see also: Crosby). If he is so bent on hockey being a Canadian-only sport, that's fine - Don Cherry -and 21 other people- can watch. Hockey is the most international of sports, and that's a good thing. Cherry should come out of the 18th century. And get a decent suit. Then shut his stupid mouth.

Posted by: birvin9999 | March 2, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked Gretzky would ride his stick like a pony after a goal.

Oh and the other unwritten rule. Don't run up the score, which is what the Oilers did during those years with Gretzky.

Posted by: blanknerc | March 2, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Don Cherry is just trying to create ratings for a washed up, xenophobic, old geez named Don Cherry. As with all wind bags, the best way to shut him up is for the Caps to go deep in the playoffs and celebrate everytime they score. The day's of whiny Lemieux/Jagr style hockey are in the past, too bad Crosby doesn't get that.
As for Cherry's comment that someone should intentionally injure Ovechkin to put him in his place, well that doesn't seem very sportsmanlike either, now does it Don?

Posted by: grohn | March 2, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

It's been an emotional season at Maryland, and after the shellackings that the Terps have gotten both on and off the court, I hope he shoots a 3 at the end of every game regardless of the score.

As for Ovie, if you score a goal/touchdown/home run, you get to celebrate as you please. If you get a double/first down/assist you don't.

Posted by: M__N | March 2, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If you watch the end of the MD game again, Vasquez is walking the ball up the court with no one in front of him. Then an NC State player moves over and give some token defense so Vasquez doesn't just walk in and make a layup. V. hesitates for a second and launches the three. If what V. did made no difference, why does the State player figure he better put himself between V. and the basket? Shoot eh damn ball and let the chips fall where they may. Way to go V.

Posted by: dmagayna | March 2, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Vasqueze's arrogance seeps through the TV. I'll be glad when he's gone.

Posted by: John_Keats | March 2, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

It must be a slow day in sports when we wring our hands over such meaningless drivel.

Vasquez's three-ball at the buzzer didn't affect the outcome of the game. It was already over; the only meaning it gave was to the amount of points scored. I'll be honest; I was laughing when he hit the 3. This isn't like a football game when the opposing team who is up by 51 points elects to kick an onside kick and then pass on every down just so they can pad the score. This was clearly a "scuse me" shot that happened to go in. Charles Barkley did the exact same thing at an all-star game and , believe me, the media had a field day with it. Even then, I didn't have a problem with it because the game was already pretty over with the winning team up by more than 20 points.

If the NC State fans want to make a big deal out of the shot, then they should have defended him. The game isn't over until the buzzer rings. If three points bothers you, then maybe you should have stopped him from scoring the other 30 points he made prior to that shot. The only damage he made was to your ego; you should be more upset that for the other 59:57 of the game that he STOLE YOUR MANHOOD!

Posted by: ecglotfelty | March 2, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line with GV - if he misses the shot it's a non-issue. It was a throwaway shot that he happened to make. If he were trying to pad his stats he'd have sprinted in for a dunk or layup.

Posted by: putnam23 | March 2, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Every time Cherry opens his mouth, a bigot gets his wings.

Posted by: FlyersSuck | March 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

They're making a big deal out of nothing. Jacking up a long shot at the end is just nervous energy. It just happened to go in. If Vasquez had dribbled in and dunked at the buzzer, THAT would have been an in-your-face gesture.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | March 2, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

No, it's not good sportmanship, and Greivis admitted as much. Hopefully if he had a chance to do it over again he would not shoot that shot. But also, remember that fans often ride a player on the road. So, sometimes I think some of that goes overboard and you see players reacting to that.

Posted by: Jaymand | March 2, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

It's the subtext of Vasquez's shot that counts, more than the shot itself. Regardless of whether or not it goes in, there's a culture in the game that casts Vasquez's move as selfish, impulsive, and immature - which sums him up very well. (It's the sort of thing that Dixon and Blake probably wouldn't have done, to recall a time when Maryland's leadership on the court was, well, better.) Having skills is one thing; having a calm, strategic head on your shoulders is another. Have you not noticed the correlation in recent years between the impulsivity and inconsistency of folks like Vasquez (and Gilchrist before him) and the increasingly number of NIT tournament bids Maryland has received?

Posted by: KandJM | March 2, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

There's no such thing as 'running up the score' in NHL hockey. Shooting the puck is part of the game, and it's not in the players' nature to stop playing it. The adrenaline keeps flowing regardless of what the scoreboard says or which side of the rout you're on.

Also, all the lines have to keep playing. You can't so easily pull your stars as in other sports. The speed of the game also dictates that you're less likely to get hurt firing shots on goal than you would be trying to stand around dribbling as you might in basketball.

Posted by: otm_shank | March 2, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Come on...Vasquez is a 21 year old kid, it kind of just happened and was not malicious. I have seen this happens in plenty of games each season and nothing is written about it....unless its Maryland of course. What is it Post's fascination with singling out Maryland for everything ?
(Still waiting on you to write about Georgetown and Nikes relationship.....).

Is it bad sportmanship for teams to leave their starters in like Duke always does when they have huge leads on other teams.

Posted by: Bib1 | March 2, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

(State Coach Sidney Lowe wasn't angry with Vasquez but with his own players, according to the News & Observer, saying "You play to the buzzer rings....What bothers me more is that we weren't with him.")

End of story.

Posted by: Realness1 | March 2, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I bet you every penny of every dollar that's left in my 401k that had this been a Duke v Maryland game, and a Duke player hits that shot, every single couch in College Park would be on fire right now. If it's your guy it's fine, if it's their guy it's a travesty. Why even pretend otherwise?

Also, I don't even care what old people in America think- why would I care about what old people in Canada think?

Posted by: bryc3 | March 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The difference is, Duke v Maryland is a big game.

Maryland v State? Not so much.

I was watching the game at a bar down here and Raleigh, and even the State fans were laughing.

I have a problem with Duke continuously tossing up 3s when they're leading by 30. That's real classy...

Posted by: alecw81 | March 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Believe me, I am a Vasquez supported ONLY because he plays for my Alma Mater and I am none too impressed with him. He's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.

That being said, I watched the end of the game and it was a throwaway shot. He might as well have borrowed the Meadowlark Lemmon halfcourt hook shot. He basically threw up a set shot from Brian Magid (look him up) range. I am by no means a defender of him, his "style" of play, etc., however, this shot was in no way malicious or grandstanding.

Posted by: tradervic1313 | March 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Don Cherry should be forced to wear conservative color suits and ties until he starts making sense, wait a minute, like THAT will ever happen.....

Posted by: terpfan4141 | March 2, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Ovie was asked a few weeks ago about the celebrations and he responded that most are just "in the moment, scoring at a key time in the game". And he was also asked about pointing to, or talking to the other team after a goal, and he responded, "Oh no, you never disrepect the other team after a goal. That is wrong. I would never do that. That is just wrong." Obviously, Ovie knows the bounds of celebration, not to mention, he knows about unwritten rules of sports.

Posted by: davelowe60 | March 2, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I can see two sides to the story and a very fine line that Ovechkin has staked, but not crossed. It comes down to this: Do you do it becuase the fans like it?, or Do you do it becuase of your ego?

Based on everything I have read about Ovechkin and his sportsmanship and his upbringing, I have to believe it is the former. He does it becuase he has symbiotic relationship with the fans. They feed off each other's engery. This league needs it's fans and Ovechkin is the Michael Jordan of the NHL right now. He draws the biggest TV ratings and the largest crowds.

Posted by: akmzrazor | March 2, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin's celebrations remind a bit of Gretzky with the banging the glass. Although, Gretzky had those notorious happy feet dances after goals, and that shameless act where he slid across the ice on his back with arms flailing like a madman against the Flyers back in 1981. It was a freaking empty netter, yet he acted like he never scored before. Truly shameless and one of the reasons no one will ever respect Gretzky.

Posted by: Cznzy | March 2, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Ovie's celebrations aren't out of line. As many people have pointed out, they're spontaneous, they're genuine, and then they're over. He's not the case of the gonzo soccer celebrations that Don Cherry compared them to, nor are they the fist-pumping insanity of NBA and NFL players who were bench-warmers 5 seconds ago or just stopped a guy after he picked up 18 yards.

What IS out of line is Cherry's near CALL for "good Canadian boys" to "hide in the weeds" then take Ovechkin out--"cut him in half" is how Cherry put it--because of what, again? Excessive celebration.

I'm sorry, but in any other sport, Cherry would be required to apologize. This is the grand old man of hockey (or so he'd like to think) putting a bounty on an active player's head because he enjoys playing the game..a LOT.

Cherry, and those that agree with him about Ovie, need to wake up and take a look at the direction, the temper, and the environment of the NHL. It's not pond hockey in upper Ontario anymore. Old school curmudgeons who think we need to reign in excitement by taking cheap physical shots on players need to be put out to pasture so the rest of us can enjoy the game as it exists in the 21st century.

Posted by: miden6 | March 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

If Vasquez wasn't already known to be classless, disrespectful, and childish as a normal mode of operation, probably he gets the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately he is known for all of those things so he doesn't. Anyone who thinks that he didn't shoot that ball on purpose to put it in the fans faces is deluding themselves. He thrives on disrespecting other team and their fans. If you think that is ok, no problem. If you think they should have played defense so he couldn't shoot, no problem. But don't convince yourself it was a throw away shot or that he didn't know exactly what he was doing. I think he can tell what he is doing in a game he has played all his life. He has played on great teams and ended games like this hundreds of times. He knows what he is supposed to do. I was grateful they didn't draw out the game any further with fouls. They got paid back by Grevis running up the score.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | March 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with Vasquez's taking that shot. Nada. Nothing.

One might say that starting to leave the court was disrespectful; it's one thing not to foul, it's another to walk away. This was not a blow out and there was no reason for NCST guys to leave the court before the game was over, and I can't imagine that any of them found an "insult" in what Vasquez did. As for the "booing" by the State fans, anybody in the Universe think for a moment that they don't boo Vasquez during that interview, the shot or not? For real?

This was a close game played that way until the end, or a moment or so before the end. What difference does it make if he handed the ball to the ref, threw it in the air, kissed it and put it on the ground, etc. It was a big win for Maryland, which right now is playing as well pound for pound as anybody in the ACC.

As long as Gary ain't running up the score the way Duke did against his kids or the way Clemson with its own team psychologist working the huddles did against Duke, this oh so is a non issue.

Vasquez is playing terrifically, came through for the third big game in a row, or is it for, and is doing his University proud. To borrow from the Orangeman, who regrettably is no longer with us (I have it on good authority that the on-line chats are done with a robot and billy crystal doing T's voice), anyone who says otherwise is "an idiot."

By the way, relying on the opinions of Duke fans on this issue is beyond mindnumbing.

Posted by: cohenra | March 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh get over it. Vasquez is a competitor, a playmaker and a shooter. He went down the court, was open and shot the ball. Swish. Good for him. I frankly would not care if an opposing team's player did the same thing. Well, maybe I would a little bit, but so what. We have all become a bunch of wimps. Political correctness meets NCAA basketball. woopeee

Posted by: djl2357 | March 2, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Don Cherry is a neanderthal blowhard who no one takes seriously. Plus the guy REALLY hates Russian and Swedish players.

Posted by: poguesmahone | March 2, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"Last time I checked Gretzky would ride his stick like a pony after a goal."

Been watching hockey for 32 years and never saw or heard of that happening.

"Truly shameless and one of the reasons no one will ever respect Gretzky."

Ha! What hole did you just climb out of?

Posted by: capsfan77 | March 2, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Fantastic article, I agree completely and you are truly hilarious!!

Posted by: CapsFan9 | March 3, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I do not live in the DC area so I pay to see every single Caps game, and I watch Ovie score on every team and do the same celebration every time. He is not making new celebration up every time he score, if Crosby was doing it, Cherry would be on his side, but because of Ovie being Russian he is bashing him. Yes Ovie does do the celebration at home and away games, but if you look at the jersey's in the arena, there are Caps jersey's or #8 jerseys every where. So, I don't think he is disrespecting anyone even on the road, the fans all over the WORLD love this guy, he is enthusiastic, and plays every shift like it's his last.

I remember watching one game and the DC commentators said the kissing of his finger and pointing to the sky is in rememberance of his Brother who died, and athletes do that kind of remembrance all the time.

Also, No one will cheap shot Ovie, because they know Ovie will not back down from Fighting if he needed too. I disagree with Don Cherry and lost a lot of respect for him since I have found out he is so Pro Canada and against other nationalities.

Posted by: mattzerby | March 3, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is, Cherry is the epitome of the Ugly American. Anybody that wears those suits and tries so hard to be politically incorrect should not whine abou somebody else making a little noise. He's got nothin.

Posted by: TheCapitalist1 | March 5, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The Great One was known to celebrate.

Posted by: ChrisGerrard | March 6, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

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