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Jurgensen: Skins Would Have Started 4-0 With Collins

During the Redskins' win over Tampa Bay, when Jason Campbell struggled pretty horribly in the first half, Sonny Jurgensen wasn't shy about calling for him to be benched. By the next week, he was taking it further, telling Kevin Sheehan during ESPN 980's pre-game show that he thought the Redskins would have started the season 4-0 with Todd Collins at the controls.

To me, it's simply the point of the season when people are flailing about for answers. Mike Sellers is blaming the media. DeAngelo Hall is questioning the personnel. Carlos Rogers is implicating ownership. Got to figure the QB will hear a few calls for his head as well, and Thom Loverro joined Sonny's crusade in The Times today, writing that "If Zorn really is asking questions, he should be long past the tinkering phase and into the try-anything phase."

Here, in case you haven't heard them, are Sonny's full remarks about Campbell and Collins, when asked about Campbell's performance against Tampa Bay.

"I didn't think he was comfortable in the first half," Jurgensen said. "He was not seeing the field. He was indecisive about what he wanted to do. He talked about it in the locker room afterwards, that 'I started running one time and I pulled it down and then threw the ball away'. He wasn't making good decisions.

"And as I told him then, 'Gosh, sometimes when you're having days like that, you're throwing the ball on a crossing pattern and somebody from the other way that you never anticipated being in the pattern would come by and intercept the thing.' I've had days like that, and there were days I didn't want to go back on the field.

"Now whether Jason did, he said he wasn't surprised that the coach stayed with him. And in the second half, he acquitted himself, he played very well, he threw the long touchdown pass. And they got into the end zone, something they hadn't done in the first half because they were getting in their own way. But no, I wasn't surprised that Jim Zorn did that.

"It wouldn't have been my decision. I would have had Collins in there. But you know, you've got to remember, in these games, I think Collins would have won all four of these games, if he had played, starting against Detroit or the Rams, yeah. Because Colllins goes to the right place with the ball all the time. He doesn't have the same velocity that Jason's ball does, Jason has a big arm, but I'm just saying, he knows the offense and we've seen him do that before. But that's neither here nor there and it has nothing to do with what they are doing, and Jim Zorn will stick with Jason Campbell."

(Credit to Len Shapiro, who already wrote about this exchange here.)

Also, if you haven't yet, you should read John Keim's work in the Examiner this morning. He quotes an NFL GM saying this: "They don't plan there; they just react. [Owner] Dan [Snyder] would rather look smart than be sound."

By Dan Steinberg  |  October 14, 2009; 3:45 PM ET
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No Sonny he doesn't know the offense, he knows Al Saunder's offense. We don't have the first clue how well he would perform with this offense.

Posted by: REXskins | October 14, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

No Sonny's too old school -- some might even call him racist -- and all this despite the fact we know that JC is clearly the superior QB. Truth is, he should've been run out of town long ago.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 14, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

VIC and Rex -- Baloney.

Sonny is not a racist and he doesn't have to "know" the offense to see that Campbell isn't getting the job done. What he IS is a through-and-through Redskin. To paraphrase Tom Lasorda, he bleeds Redskins Burgundy and Gold. He's been an apologist for all the shenanigans and goofiness at Redskins Park for years, but now even he is fed up.

. . .when you've lost Sonny, you've really lost something

Posted by: bethesdaguy | October 14, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

He's been an apologist for all the shenanigans and goofiness at Redskins Park for years, but now even he is fed up.

Posted by: bethesdaguy | October 14, 2009 4:40 PM

He's fed up, so he's blaming Campbell? Please. Jason is not a superstar QB, but he's not the sole reason this team sucks. There are so many reasons - and they all start at the top. Has Sonny been publicly critical of his cigar chomping buddy Snyder? Or Cerrato?

I love Sonny, but come on!

Posted by: Kev29 | October 14, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

collins would've beat the giants, sonny? i think not. and now, behind this line he'd be mauled worse than campbell.

Posted by: ewww | October 14, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Collins didn't look very good in preseason. Threw at least one bad pick I can recall. We aren't still running saunders offense so I think Collins takes a step down.

Posted by: AdamCr | October 14, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Well if Jurgensen said it it must be true right

Posted by: Barno1 | October 14, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

You're right Barno, Sonny doesn't know anything about football. He doesn't know squat about the quarterback position. He's a total chump.

LOL, too funny.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 14, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's just go all-out wildcat the rest of the year. Have ARE taking most of the snaps with Portis and Cooley in the backfield as well. The offense can't look any more inept than they have so far.

Posted by: alecw81 | October 14, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Agree with Sonny. Collins is a much better quarterback in every respect, but Zorn dare not play him, lest it be seen as an unequivocal admission of the failure of his training methods and "offensive scheme."

Also think that JC would've been benched, traded or released a long time ago if he were a white QB. Racism can go both ways -- and in this case, it's keeping an inept player on the field -- at the expense of someone who is clearly much better.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 14, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Growing up, I loved watching Sonny play, and I respect his opinion, but the Skins would not be 4 & 0 with Collins at the helm. The problems (on the field) start with the offensive line, followed by JZ's unimaginable and predictable playcalling, and the receivers inability to get open. Is Sonny that much of Danny's boy that he can no longer see the obvious?

Posted by: akjproductions | October 14, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

The last time this team won anything was with Collins playing, but everyone is convinced Sonny is crazy.....amazing!

Posted by: Vze2sr66 | October 14, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

It seems everyone wants to blame everybody except the man who needs to be blamed the most: Snyder. Snyder has ruined this team beyond repair.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | October 14, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, with this terrible offensive line, it's just a matter of time before JC goes down to injury. Then we'll find out if an old unmobile Collins is a much better qb as many of you (including Sonny) believe he is. And if he's not, will you then start to lay the blame on the real party responsible for this team's mess?

Posted by: akjproductions | October 14, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Barno, Sonny doesn't know anything about football. He doesn't know squat about the quarterback position. He's a total chump.

LOL, too funny.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 14, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't say that about Sonny, Poopy McPooper

Posted by: Barno1 | October 14, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Barno 1,

Where have you've been buddy? I missed your constant posting the past few days. I'm curious, do you still see the Skins playing in this year's playoff?

Posted by: akjproductions | October 14, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

obviously sarcasm and barno don't go well.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 14, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

If your offense can't score the logical thing to do is make a change at QB. Why in the world we are going so far down the tube without making a change is just idiotic!! As a fan it's like watching a suicide in slow motion and you can't get any help!!! ZORN NEEDS TO GO!!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | October 15, 2009 4:34 AM | Report abuse

Sonny played in a time where players drank beer before games and smoked cigarettes at halftime. In todays game, players shoot roids before games and snort coke at halftime. As anyone with half a brain knows, you're much faster and more active on coke then beer. The game has evolved.

Posted by: fushezzi | October 15, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

I would think after actually being a Player and broadcasting for years Sonny Jurgensen would have smarter anylysis than to put all the blame on Jason Campbell. Like I've said before anyone who thinks Todd Collins would be any better with this terrible O-Line and lack of playmakers out side of Moss and this generic Offense is an absolute Moron. Sonny and Sam need to move on and let Doc Walker and B Mitch work on the broadcast team.

Posted by: moseley_brian | October 15, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The only reason Collins looked so effective in the past is his multiple years of experience learning the Al Saunders offense in KC.

Put him out there now, with THIS offensive would have flattened 38 year old quarterback.

JC has his well chronicled faults, but he's the only QB on our roster with experience and the ability to scramble around a blitz. Until he eventually leaves the team in two and one half months, it's JC or nothing

Posted by: jbanks979 | October 15, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a Skins apologist, but stuff like this is why it is hard to listen to Sonny and co. anymore. I wish they would all just STFU.

Posted by: sitruc | October 15, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with Sonny here, but I don't disagree with the notion of putting TC in there to see what he can do. At this point, what could it hurt?

The fact is, it's Jason's last year here. His contract is up and it won't be renewed. I think he kind of got a raw deal with all the different coaches and all of the different offensive schemes, but stuff happens. I bet he makes a more than competent backup somewhere, or even a starter someplace - just not here, it's time to cut bait.

IMHO, part of Jason's problem is that he holds on to the ball for too darned long. It's like snap...look...look....pump fake...look...pump fake....OH CRAP, a DE *Throws or runs*. When you take this long to throw the ball, having a swiss cheese OL really doesn't help.

So give Todd a shot, who cares? Maybe he makes a few quicker decisions, maybe not. We're going to have to start over anyway, so we may as well take a look at what works and what doesn't.

Did we cut Chase? I forgot, practice squad? Shoot, I say give Chase a half, just to see what's up.

Posted by: VTDuffman | October 15, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Also think that JC would've been benched, traded or released a long time ago if he were a white QB. Racism can go both ways -- and in this case, it's keeping an inept player on the field -- at the expense of someone who is clearly much better.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 14, 2009 7:01 PM

I think this is a good place for me to leave Redskins arguments for the season. What a load of brain dead horse sh*t. I can't believe a human being was so f*cking stupid that they typed this. You need to learn a ton about life and a good deal more about football.

Take a look at the many white, black and other QB's in the league who are solid starters with worse passing numbers than Campbell...

Wake me up when the Wizards start playing.

Posted by: Kev29 | October 15, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Sonny is the only HOF'er to never start in a playoff game. Ha....

Posted by: Woodbridge45 | October 15, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

maybe you should leave. It's actually very simple Good or great QB's make plays not excuses.Jason is always full of excuses like OH I didn't know he was that fast was his best one that comes to mind. HE will never be a starting QB in the NFL. He has a very low football IQ and makes terrible decisions, has no touch, no balls .He is good as gone and I hope he goes to someone in the NFC East so we have a chance to play against him if the starting QB goes down. Why collins is not the long term solution why not see what he can do this year,because JZ&JC are history.

Posted by: m72561 | October 15, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Why are the Campbell supporters / Collins bashers so afraid of Collins entering the game when Campbell stinks up the joint? ARe the they afraid that Collins may play better than Campbell as he did at the end of the 2007 season, or are they just black racists, who can't stand the thought of a white QB replacing a black QB and taking his job away?

They're certainly not REDSKINS fans. There's something else going on here.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | October 16, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Obviously sarcasm and pooper mcpooperstein don't go too well

Posted by: Barno1 | October 16, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Let us back up to last year. When the Redskins were 6-2, Jason was making the throws downfield and making plays. After that, he went to throwing little 5 yd dink passes. I think Jason is getting rattled with the blitzes and throwing the dink passes instead of hanging in the pocket to find the open receivers.

Posted by: kvanname0610 | October 16, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

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