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Cerrato explains Suisham release

In his first public comments since Shaun Suisham was released this week, Vinny Cerrato explained Friday morning that keeping the kicker on the team wouldn't have been fair to his teammates after Suisham missed the short fourth-quarter field goal against the Saints.

"To me, the players fought their butts off the whole game," Cerrato said on his ESPN 980 radio show. "I mean, we're up 10, then the Saints come back, then we score again. I mean, offensively, they couldn't stop us. We had 460 yards or whatever. And we'll talk about all the guys that stepped up and did well, and I thought Sherm Lewis called an outstanding game. I mean, we punted I think one time.

"But we took it down all the way to the two-minute warning, down to the 3-yard line or whatever, ran the ball to set up to kick the field goal. [If you make the field goal], you're up 10 with probably 1:50 to go after the kickoff, so if they take it down to score, they've still got to recover the onside kick and then score again. So my feeling was, after he misses the kick, it wasn't fair to the rest of the team to keep him on the team. Because this was a reoccurring thing. The Dallas game, he missed a 39-yarder. And I remember in the playoff game in Seattle he missed a short field goal. So there's some critical field goals that he missed.

"And then my question to the coaches and everything, is he the kicker for next year? No, probably not. So all right, let's let him go and let's try some guys and see if we find a guy who's gonna be consistent and make the kicks that he's supposed to make. That's all. You can understand if it was a 50-yarder, but a 23-yarder? Make the ones you're supposed to make. It's a PAT, game's over, everybody's excited and we've got a big win, and it would have been the Saints' first loss. So it's an inexcusable miss, in my opinion, and it just was a thing that had to happen."

By Dan Steinberg  |  December 11, 2009; 9:06 AM ET
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Comments

Im' positive I'm preaching to the choir here, but when can we expect Cerrato to cut LaRon Landry?

Posted by: JimmieBise | December 11, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

intresting how this idiot is trying so hard to make it seem like the decision was all his --- meanwhile zorn is trying to make it seem like it's his decision

what a f----- up franchise

snydeis is dumb --- cerRATo is dumber -- and the fans are even dumber for spending one stinking dollar on this awful franchise

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 11, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

That Suisham explanation might be the first and last time I'll ever completely agree with anything Cerrato says... He's right, that miss, coupled with the Dallas miss, are inexplicable. You can't lose 2 games for your team in 3 weeks and expect to keep your job.

All that being said, I still hope Vinny is out of a job 1 day after the season ends...

Posted by: nford2 | December 11, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato is so gangster. Picking on the poor 170 pound Canadien. All Suisham wanted to do was marry a beautiful American girl, drive an H2, kick some pigskins, and play poker at the Cooley's house. Now he's going to be relegated to UFL, the Orlando Dragons, or even worse....the Baltimore Ravens.

Posted by: goose33 | December 11, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

JimmieBise-

Cutting Landry is not a viable option for this team. Yes, he's been awful this year but he is playing out of position.. Bring in a true Free Safety and move Laron to SS and you are fine in both positions. Bringing in a FS will have double the value as any other position, because filling that void fills another one as well.

To think how different it would be with Area 51 for the next 10 years...

Posted by: nford2 | December 11, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

If you applied the reasoning that Vinny uses to explain firing the kicker, then Vinny should have fired himself a long time ago.

Posted by: RoJaKa | December 11, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

But Vinny, you cut someone from the playoff roster you put together. Say it isn't so.

Posted by: djorl | December 11, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

" I mean, offensively, they couldn't stop us. We had 460 yards or whatever" Um, what happened with the INT, and the Fumble, that's not them stopping us?

Posted by: dhartogs | December 11, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Anyone want to bet that Suisham will be on a team that wins a playoff game before the Redskins do?

Posted by: cao091402 | December 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Vinny's been working this roster for several years, and produced zip, zilch, nada, zero, nothing...when is he going to be accountable for his productivity....he can't be gone soon enough.

Posted by: outrbnksm | December 11, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"it wasn't fair to the rest of the team to keep him."

Funny.

A lot of people are saying that about Ceratto.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 11, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

So are all the inexcusable misses that you have made on drafting and signing player's you moron.

FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO!!!!!
FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO!!!!!
FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO!!!!!
FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO!!!!!
FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO-FIRE CERRATO!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Wow Vinny you fire someone for not doing their job huh? Hope someone does the same thing to you for not doing yours for the past seven years and for destroying our team.

Posted by: martini0703 | December 11, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Um. Recent play makes me think that Cerrato actually may have put together some good pieces.

I hate that I think that.

Still not a Snyder/Cerrato fan, but the personal situation is not as abysmal as it once seemed.

Posted by: rsmskc | December 11, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Too bad Cerrato doesn't possess the ability for self-examination.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 11, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Cut the kicker for missing a kick he should have made. Understood.

But just like at my job, they choose who to cut and not cut others for also causes decreased profits.

Last I checked, the Redskins were still ahead by 7 after the kicker missed the kick. and the Saints had to go like 92 yards in less than 2 minutes.

Did the kicker also play D?
Did the kicker fail to stop Philly late?
Did the kicker fail to stop Dallas late?

No, no and no
Then why was the kicker the only one cut?
Just like at my job. LOL
Gotta find a scapegoat to blame EVERYTHING on.

Blame Dan for picking Vinny. Blame Gibbs II for selecting the current roster too.

Posted by: kedavis | December 11, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

If he were only smart enough to listen to himself. He sounds like a complete boob! He definitely doesn't sound like the kind of guy I'd want running my billion dollar "Maserati" operation. Dan Snyder needs to hold Vinny to the same standard as Vinny held Suisham. Talk about letting the team down! Jeez!!

Posted by: motiongrfx | December 11, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Um. Recent play makes me think that Cerrato actually may have put together some good pieces.

I hate that I think that.

Still not a Snyder/Cerrato fan, but the personal situation is not as abysmal as it once seemed.

Posted by: rsmskc
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Recent play indicates that this team sucks. Don't be fooled. And don't forget:

BOYCOTT $NYDER-FIRE CERRATO-RECENT PLAY SUCKS!

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Not "fair" to the team? Oh, that is rich. Look in the mirror Vinny.

Posted by: LouLewis | December 11, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Cut Cerrato!!!

Posted by: mofares | December 11, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Actually, this opens up a spot for next year, and I'm sure Vinny has his sights set on a place kicker to burn our 2nd round pick on.

Posted by: LouLewis | December 11, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

So by the standard of what's "...fair to the rest of the team", can we expect Vinny's resignation by the end of the week?

Shaun Suisham missed a couple of kicks. Vinny assembled the entire roster (including Suisham), the scouting staff, and the coaching staff. So if Suisham cost the team two games, then Vinny cost them the other seven -- plus the last decade of mediocrity.

Vinny. You want to do what's fair to the rest of the team? Fire yourself!

Kevin Olson
Manassas, VA

Posted by: noslok | December 11, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Um. Recent play makes me think that Cerrato actually may have put together some good pieces.

I hate that I think that.

Still not a Snyder/Cerrato fan, but the personal situation is not as abysmal as it once seemed.

Posted by: rsmskc

_________________________________________
Dude? Really? They're finally not making complete fools of themselves but they're still NOT winning and with the players, coaches and management structure they have in place they'll continue to not win. They may come close, but they've proven time and again (...and again) they're losers.

Posted by: motiongrfx | December 11, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Another reason to hate the Skins. Lame excuses for a total failure.

With that logic why haven't you cut Campbell? Is six years of misery not enough? Should we ignore the interceptions? the myopic QB that can't see wide open receivers? the throws behind the back to wide open receivers? What about Landry giving up those long passes for TDs? Should we ignore the give-a-way ball for a touchdown?

I hope Suisham hooks with a winning organization, and like Ackers of Philadelphia - another skin reject - becomes very successful in the NFL.

This is

Posted by: hock1 | December 11, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

How about Campbell throwing that INT or Landry getting beaten like a redheaded stepchild? Cutting a kicker on a 3-9 team? Really? This franchise is a joke....

Posted by: CHICO13 | December 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Is Cerrato basing his whole career on this one lousy game? He was lucky that Sherm Lewis called a good game and that Gregg Williams did not call a great game. Cerrato says that it is not fair to keep Suisham since the rest of the team played great, so based on that logic, he should have fired himself a long time ago for hiring an incompetent offensive coach or not providing the offensive line depth. But being a hypocrite that he is, he scape goats the place kicker instead and then cozy up next to Danny Boy in Notre Dame. What a sick joke he is!

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 11, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

with that kind of logic fire yourself vinny

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | December 11, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Are people missing where he says that they "ran tthe ball to set up to kick a field goal"? When are coaches/team officials going to realize that a FG should be a last resort and not the ultimate goal? When coaches stop going for TDs and start setting up for FGs (unless it is the very end of the game), bad things usually happen.

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | December 11, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

He's wrong where he says they ran the ball to set-up the field goal.

The reason you run the ball there is primarily to eat clock and keep it moving. If you score a touch...great! If not, chippy field goal and you're up by 10. What we actually got was a disaster scenario that makes you fire your kicker.

In this one instance, I agree with how it's handled completely. But no, you're not running to set-up the fg, you're running to eat clock.

Posted by: CByrd1 | December 11, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

FIRE VINNY FIRE VINNY FIRE FIRE VINNY

Posted by: askhosh10 | December 11, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Good Bye! Shaun (shank em) Suisham!

Posted by: dc4life | December 11, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

For all of you that think the recent play is something to get excited about, WAKE UP!

New Orleans had a let down after NE, they were playing in cold weather, outdoors and they're Corners didn't have a job earlier in the season, plus they had one less day to prepare. That's called the perfect strom.

The week before, the offense scored 6 points.


Posted by: jyshim | December 11, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I guess the question, Mister Puppet, is why you're still employed by Dan Snyder, the evil midget unless you have incriminating photos?

Posted by: nativedc | December 11, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

For the VERY FIRST TIME, I have to agree with Cerrato. May it never happen again.

Posted by: taylorlaw | December 11, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Way to throw a guy under the bus that won you two out of your three games.

Fire Cerrato.

Posted by: StetSportsBlog | December 11, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

So if this new guy Gano misses a kick Sunday, is he out too?

Posted by: TheFingerman | December 11, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

What about all of the many “inexcusable misses” made by these two incompetent clowns, Cerrato and Snyder, over the years? By this standard, they should have fired themselves long ago.

Posted by: vztownes | December 11, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

It boggles my mind why Suisham was released. There are so many other issues with this team. You just don't dump your kicker because you lost yet another game in a miserable season. You dump people when you're a good team and they do something that really costs you. You dump your holder if they botch a hold that costs you a Wild Card game. You don't dump people when you just lost your ninth game of the season.

Posted by: LouLewis | December 11, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

It is so ironic that Cerrato is talking in such a virtuous manner concerning fairness.

Cut the man cause he blew the kicks against Dallas and he blew the kick with New Orleans. Everybody understands the need to have a money kicker.

Spare us the "fairness" bit. If you want "fairness", resign as a result of the dreadful personnel decisions you have made as GM.

Posted by: muddapucker | December 11, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Fan to Cerrato - A poor excuse for a General Manager!

Posted by: JRA1 | December 11, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato is a chump and needs to go but his rationale is right on this one. Suisham clearly isn't the guy for the future so give someone else a shot.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 11, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

So it was Cerrato who fired Suisham and not Zorn. Poor coach is trying so hard to be relevant he's taking the blame for giving someone the axe when he didn't have to.

Cerrato is incompetant and shouldn't be involved in any personnel matters. If he really wants to fire someone, go ahead and fire Joe Bugel, the offensive line coach, whose boys didn't allow the offense to score a TOUCHDOWN late in the game so a field goal wouldn't be necessary. FIRE JOE BUGEL WHEN YOU FIRE JIM ZORN after the season.

Who allowed the Saints, when they were 'way down, to come back and get so close at the end? The kicker?

Posted by: rmg4369 | December 11, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Well, Vinny, I like your logic!

Let's expand it a bit, shall we?

Based on your record as a "GM", keeping YOU around would not be fair to the team, or the fans.

If you are a man of your word, you will fire yourself immediately!!!!!

WE HATE YOU VINNY!

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 11, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Good point rmg4369, fairminded Vinny needs to fire the defense and offensive line.

Its everybody's fault but the GM who is responsible for bringing on board adequate player personnel.

Posted by: muddapucker | December 11, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Look who's talking, Cerrato should be gone as well. He's been screwing up longer than Suisham.

Posted by: bris02 | December 11, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"Are people missing where he says that they "ran tthe ball to set up to kick a field goal"? When are coaches/team officials going to realize that a FG should be a last resort and not the ultimate goal? When coaches stop going for TDs and start setting up for FGs (unless it is the very end of the game), bad things usually happen.

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | December 11, 2009 10:53 AM"
__________________________________________
finally someone who agrees with me. i noticed a little after that post that some one was talking about them trying to run time off the clock, there was around 2:05 left on the clock when they ran the 3rd down little dink up the middle. this means that after that play, the clock is going to stop, the were not taking any time off the clock, they were simply playing to kick a field goal. when you play to kick field goals instead of playing for touchdowns, bad things happen, KARMA.

this is the same thing that happened in Dallas, 13 second left in the half from the 19 yard line. there is plenty of time for 1 or 2 shots into the endzone, but no, we are afraid something bad is going to happen so we go for the field goal instead of trying for the touchdown, result MISS. as soon as they lined up for that 23 yarder against the saints i said to myself, this will be a miss. when you play not to loose, you very rarely win.

and last time i checked, Shawn did not give up 33 points. or was he really the one wearing #30 that would let your grandmother get behind him?

Posted by: nathan_81_hof_09 | December 11, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"So it was Cerrato who fired Suisham and not Zorn. Poor coach is trying so hard to be relevant he's taking the blame for giving someone the axe when he didn't have to.

Cerrato is incompetant and shouldn't be involved in any personnel matters. If he really wants to fire someone, go ahead and fire Joe Bugel, the offensive line coach, whose boys didn't allow the offense to score a TOUCHDOWN late in the game so a field goal wouldn't be necessary. FIRE JOE BUGEL WHEN YOU FIRE JIM ZORN after the season.

Who allowed the Saints, when they were 'way down, to come back and get so close at the end? The kicker?

Posted by: rmg4369 | December 11, 2009 11:48 AM
"
_________________________________________

ask Zorn, they weren't trying to score a touchdown, they were playing for a field goal, so we can't really blame that on Bugel. they were playing for a freaking field goal. frankly i would have played for the touchdown and then settled for the field goal if i had to. but no, we play for the field goal.

Posted by: nathan_81_hof_09 | December 11, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"Dear Kicker Applicant:

We welcome your application, and will put it in our kicker file, which we use quite often. Please be advised that should the Redskins retain your services, you will be cut if you miss two field goals of less than 40 yards in any one season. No pressure.

Best-
Vincent Cerrato"

Posted by: disgruntledfan | December 11, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"And I remember in the playoff game in Seattle he missed a short field goal." Vinny

Interesting memory. Did Suisam actually in that January 2007 playoff game against Seattle? I don't remember him, also a missed field goal would have helped little in a 28-14 game.

As for defending LL30 for being a SS and not a FS, well ST21 has been dead for a while and Vinny should have drafted a FS during the offseason. Another good job by Vinny! RIP ST21

Posted by: GC4Life | December 11, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

CUT THE PERSON THAT PUT THIS WEAK, UNDER PERFORMING, OFT INJURED TEAM TOGETHER...OH...THAT'S YOU CERRATO!

Posted by: DaveLopan | December 11, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want to bet that Suisham will be on a team that wins a playoff game before the Redskins do?

Posted by: cao091402 | December 11, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If he is, it won't be on account of his weak leg. Dude had the chance to avenge Dallas for cutting him and he missed two. No one has picked him up? Not surprising.

He's not the only problem, but it was a good time to give a new guy a dress rehearsal for next year.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 11, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Judge not, lest ye be judged".... Vinny has convicted himself... What a complete boob. Fire Vinny!!!!

Posted by: skinfannomore | December 11, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Cerrato and Snyder made this decision about the kicker and not the coaching staff proves that all of the bally-hooed "change is inevitable" talk is bogus. These two still think they know what they are doing. Everyone expects Snyder to give in and make the necessary moves "expected" to put this franchise on the right track.

But when has Dan ever done what was "expected"?

2000: He fired Norv while they were still in the playoff hunt and with a winning record.
2001: He fired Marty after the team rallied to finish at .500 with Tony Banks at QB.
2002: He hired Steve Spurrier and brought back Cerrato.
2004: He lured Joe Gibbs out of retirement...no one saw that coming, i don't care what anyone says.
2008: When Gibbs retired, he hired Jim Zorn, which NO ONE IN FOOTBALL SAW COMING!

Now, the team is 3-9. Is a complete mess. Does anyone really believe for one minute that Snyder will do the "expected" and fire Vinny, hire a real football guy, who would in turn hire a real coach and draft offensive linemen, cornerbacks, linebackers and a stud RB?
Snyder won't. He'll draft a quarterback in the draft (since he's out scouting them himself, 'cause he's such an expert, apparently), probably trade lower picks to move up in the draft to get his guy, too. He'll pay too much for a free agent O-lineman or 2. He'll let Jason Campbell go and sign...no one better! And next year we'll be putrid and the fans will stop coming in droves.

Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: jmurray019 | December 11, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's try something new:

BOYCOTT

$NYDER

FIRE

CERRATO

GET

DRUNK

SUNDAY

TO

KILL

THE

PAIN!

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Cerrato on releasing Shaun Shank'em. If Shaun was able to consistently make 50+ yd field goals, then you can cut him some slack. But he has a weak leg and missed quite a bit last year (hence the need for pre-season competition this year). 2 critical misses on easy FG attempts in the last few weeks. He's been on thin ice due to the past. He needed to go.

Posted by: al_kohaulic | December 11, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Even someone as under-qualified as Cerrato can make a good decision now and again. Suisham had to go, because an NFL kicker must--I repeat, must--make that kick, just like he must make the 38-yarder against the Cowboys.

Still, the Redskins will continue to fail as long as Cerrato is the de-facto GM. The first thing that must happen after the season is that Cerrato must go & Snyder must hire a real, qualified GM.

Posted by: dhenken1 | December 11, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Love the majority of Cerrato's draft picks. Guy might be a dbag, but clearly has an eye for talent, as evidenced by picks like Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Marco Mitchell, Horton, Cooley, and even Sean Taylor...who some said was drafted too high for a safety. Not to mention all the talent he acquired in SF during the 90s. Hopefully he puts his unquestionably excellent eye for talent into some young O-linemen next year...but the bet here is that he does.

Let the bashing of this post begin.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

We had 460 yards or whatever
down to the 3-yard line or whatever
question to the coaches and everything

Are you in 10th grade?
You are an absolute moron and everything or whatever.

Posted by: normalPerson | December 11, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Somebody shoot me, I think I actually agree with Vinny on this one.

Posted by: BKCT | December 11, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Not so sure give him the eye for talent award.

Devin Thomas-not quite ready to call him a succesful pick, but he's headed in the right direction. However, DeSean Jackson was drafted after Thomas, and he's been a bit more successful so far.

Fred Davis-also not so sure he's the type of tight end you draft in the 2nd round of a draft.

Marko Mitchell-Do we know anything about him yet? He made a couple nice preseason catches, but haven't seen enough real football out of him to say one way or the other. He is the WR version of Colt Brennan.

Chris Horton-Wasn't he benched this year before he got hurt?

Cooley and Sean Taylor you will get no argument out of me, those were tremendous picks. But overall, I can't say I love how he drafts.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 11, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight:

$nyder = Sawed - off midget

Cerrato = Worn out knees

Zorn = Used and abused

Donovan = Town cryer

Landry = Pre - schooler

Portis = Illiterate

Suisham = Fall guy

Riggo = Our savior

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh my gosh! Suisham's the reason we've been losing all along! Why didn't I see it? Well, that's why Cerrato makes the big bucks. He recognizes that LaRon Landry was playing his butt off (nevermind that he was doing so in the wrong part of the field). Pure Genius! It won't be long until a championship comes to Washington now!

Posted by: CountryFirst | December 11, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Let the bashing of this post begin.

Posted by: Barno1


Barno1 loves to stir things up, doesn't he?

Too early.Let's give these picks some time. As for the rest of his decisions. ????

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Bad Omen People - did everyone catch the tidbit about Snyder/Cerratblow scouting the ND QB? I don't care about the player they were scouting - it's a bad sign that Snyder has him/is allowing him to scout anything except tomorrow's lunch menu. We need this team to FALL ON ITS EFFING FACE FOR THE LAST FOUR GAMES OF THE YEAR OR SNYDER WILL COME UP WITH THE "WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK; IF NOT FOR A FEW INJURIES WE'RE RIGHT THERE!".
Mark my words - if Cerratblow isn't let go in that 1st week of the offseason he's the VP of Sucking for next year again and we are doomed.
FYI - if by chance Suh from nebraska is on the board when we draft we need to take, even if OL/QB are the bigger needs. He is too good to pass up.

Posted by: DEskinzfan | December 11, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The game against NO proves the following:
1) Zorn is a better coach than Greg Williams;
2) The three receivers we drafted last year are great players;
3) Cerrato is a great personnel man, look at all the subs he found that are playing better than the starters.

We now have moral victories against NO, Dallas and Philly. This proves that Snyder and Cerrato are right all along. To make up for my past unjustified anger; I am going out to buy some Devin Thomas jerseys. I don't have a ticket anymore, but I'm going to Fed Ex just so I can pay parking; and if they set up concessions in the parking lot, I'll make sure I buy some hot dogs.

Dan and Vinny, oh sorry, I meant Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato; you are vindicated. By the way Mr. Snyder, I forgot to tell you you are a great human being, a good looking guy and I think you are a lot taller than the disgruntled fans make you out to be. You have a great organization, you don't need to make any changes at all. Stay the course.

Posted by: nolngeraseasontixhder | December 11, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is a pig. There is no reason they can fire Suisham without getting rid of the real problems...THEMSELVES!

Yeah, that goes for Danny Boy too!

Posted by: cbmuzik | December 11, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

hessone - your boycott is working wonders. you are bringing the team down one player at a time! this week suisham. who;s next on your hitlist to bring danny to his knee?? lol.

Posted by: funkey | December 11, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Vinnie said: "So my feeling was, after he misses the kick, it wasn't fair to the rest of the team to keep him on the team." Given that logic shouldn't Vinnie quit? Having him around doesn't seem fair on anybody.

Posted by: atidwell | December 11, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato speaks the truth here! I know that everyone hates him, but getting rid of Suisham was the right call. Also some of his controversial picks are now starting to show promise.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 11, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

funkey,

Happy holidays funkey. Hope you're having a good day my friend.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

back at ya'.

Posted by: funkey | December 11, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Love the majority of Cerrato's draft picks. Guy might be a dbag, but clearly has an eye for talent, as evidenced by picks like Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Marco Mitchell, Horton, Cooley, and even Sean Taylor...who some said was drafted too high for a safety. Not to mention all the talent he acquired in SF during the 90s. Hopefully he puts his unquestionably excellent eye for talent into some young O-linemen next year...but the bet here is that he does.

Let the bashing of this post begin.

Posted by: Barno1

Out of the ten years he's been here, what draft picks do you "love" below the third round?

Posted by: jbanks979 | December 11, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Barno1 - you are great. Seriously awesome.

Posted by: funkey | December 11, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

but it was fair to keep Collins on the bench for the last 20 games while Campbell stunk up the joint! total BS... Whatever, I can't wait for the offseason where we can be champs again

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | December 11, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Sure Vinny, hold the PK accountable but defend your own mistakes. We were losing last year when the PK was making kicks, we were losing this year when the only points we could score were field goals. Who gets cut for that?

Posted by: ged0386 | December 11, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Why do I have the feeling that next season we will still be looking for a PK and Suishum will be kicking for a playoff team?

Posted by: ged0386 | December 11, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said he let Suisham go because he's a professional - coaches always take the blame and always will. Cerrato said the same because, well, he actually made the final decision. And - he was right.

I feel absolutely no pity for Suisham. He did miss critical kicks in 3 key games, all at key moments, all at acceptable distances. During the Saints game all true hardcore Redksins fans everywhere like me were CRUSHED when he blew the 23 yarder. Just as the players certainly felt who really did work their tails off up to that point on both sides of the ball. Think back to that exact moment of the miss - what you felt, and consider the circumstances at the time.

As soon as I saw it sail right I kicked my dog, beat my wife, sent my children to bed without dinner and stuck my head out the window and yelled, "I not gonna TAKE it anymore!" A little hyperbole, but you get my point??

That's why Suisham is gone.

Look, kickers hang around in this league until their late forties in some cases, becoming journeymen from town to town and a few being lucky to stay in one place. They expect this to happen, and know they're scapegoats in emotional situations such as the Saints game personified. Don't feel pity for this man, he'll recover and start another streak and end up in commercials knocking down satellites just like the other guy who got traded from his "stable" domain in New England.

-Jim Goldbloom

Posted by: JimGoldbloom1 | December 11, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is a freaking genius. Just like he thought he solved our oline problem when everyone knew we had major problems there. Schottenheimer knew he was an idiot who had no place as a GM. But Snyder is the bigger idiot for keeping him so long, when it is so obvious that there is a major problem.

Vinny and Dan were seen scouting the Texas game together. What a joke!

So next year, Campbell will leave, we will draft a qb who will flouder, and our Oline will not get any better if they don't prioritize the line. We will be the Cleveland Browns of 2010.

How long will this mindless bs go on?

Posted by: sruppert | December 11, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If missing two close kicks in two loses gets your fired what does 10 years of mediocrity get you as a GM? Right now skins fans would take Matt Millen as GM over you Vinny, and you are trying to throw the kicker under the bus for why we are a losing team?

Posted by: ged0386 | December 11, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

We were losing last year when the PK was making kicks

Posted by: ged0386 | December 11, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, folks...please don't feel compelled to post a comment if you don't know what you are talking about. Our kicker was the worst in the NFL statistically last year. He had one of the worst seasons as an NFL kicker of the past decade in 2008. So please don't post asinine comments like the above. It's unnecessary to add your 2 cents if you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Vinny, you have mucked up the Skins so many times this year alone! Do we get to fire YOU!!!

Posted by: 1of9000 | December 11, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Out of the ten years he's been here, what draft picks do you "love" below the third round?

Posted by: jbanks979 | December 11, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't say I "love" these guys, but these are all great finds in the lower rounds by Vinny:

Sage Rosenfelds, Robert Royal, Kedrick Golston, Rock Cartright, Anthony Montgomery, Reed Doughty, H.B. Blades, Chris Horton, Marco Mitchell.

I won't throw every name out there...guy like Justin Tryon or Kareem Moore haven't proven much to me yet. You could argue Montgomery wasn't a good pick bc he isn't playing much this year...but he started something like 25 games for us the past 4 years...not bad for a late round pick.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

As long as Cerrato continues to be involved with this franchise, I will not be. And I've been a fan for 27 seasons.

A 3-9 team fires a kicker who was 87% on the year. And we're supposed to give Cerrato leadership points for this? Give me a break. Vinny has run this franchise into the ground by neglecting the offensive line, among other things. The worst thing is, Cerrato still manages to convince Snyder that this is a "playoff roster" and that we're only a couple of puzzle pieces away from a Super Bowl. That is flat-out wrong. We are a 3-9 team with lots of problems. It's time for Vinny to go.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | December 11, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

barno1 - what was your preseason prediction for this team again??

Posted by: funkey | December 11, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Barno1 - problem is that he's crapped the bed when it comes to either trades or free agent signings. He's drafted some okay players and some duds (landry, rinehardt so far). His moves are stupid - the three receivers are coming around but how would this team look with Desean Jackson, Calais Campbell and one of those three instead?? pretty damn good. Where's the OL depth and quality? Why was Suisham here this year in the first place after the year he had last year AND after killing the momentum in the Seattle playoff game (2007)? We fight to get back into the game, Cooley drops a 1st down pass at the two...no biggie - quick the gimmie FG and go up 4, on the road and build on the MO. Nope - he botches the kick and we fall apart after that.
He is NOT GM material regardless of how many nice little players he found in the 4th round.
Overreaction caused us to give up a 2nd and a 6th (?) for J Taylor who was not a fit.....signing Haynesworth was a bad move when we had the holes we did on the OL and you could have had a few players to put in there. He is a yes man for Danny, he gets the scotch, he rubs the owners back and busts out the knee pads when asked.
He has to go and any fan of this team that cannot see that is saddly uninformed about the game.

Posted by: DEskinzfan | December 11, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris Horton-Wasn't he benched this year before he got hurt?

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 11, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Chris Horton-Wasn't he the lowest drafted player on the 2008 All Rookie Team?

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

barno1 - what was your preseason prediction for this team again??

Posted by: funkey | December 11, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

If I had known Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels would be lost for the season after 4 games, do you really think I'd have predicted a great year for the Skins?

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

are you serious? you didn't take depth into account on two aging o-liners. everyone pretty much knew neither of them would make 12 games, let alone 16.
follow your own advice - "don't feel compelled to post a comment if you don't know what you are talking about."

Posted by: funkey | December 11, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

everyone pretty much knew neither of them would make 12 games, let alone 16.

Posted by: funkey | December 11, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knew Chris Samuels wouldn't play 12 games? Really? The man was one of the NFL most durable lineman this decade, starting 73 consecutive games. But according to "funkey" every Skins fan could see he was going to suffer a career ending spinal injury in week 5.

Again folks, if you don't know what you're talking about, please don't feel compelled to post.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Barno1 wrote:

Wouldn't say I "love" these guys, but these are all great finds in the lower rounds by Vinny:

Sage Rosenfelds, Robert Royal, Kedrick Golston, Rock Cartright, Anthony Montgomery, Reed Doughty, H.B. Blades, Chris Horton, Marco Mitchell.

Barno,
Not one of these players are starters at their position although a few have started a couple games. You might want to watch what you say Mr. Now-it-all.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't say I "love" these guys, but these are all great finds in the lower rounds by Vinny:

Sage Rosenfelds, Robert Royal, Kedrick Golston, Rock Cartright, Anthony Montgomery, Reed Doughty, H.B. Blades, Chris Horton, Marco Mitchell.

I won't throw every name out there...guy like Justin Tryon or Kareem Moore haven't proven much to me yet. You could argue Montgomery wasn't a good pick bc he isn't playing much this year...but he started something like 25 games for us the past 4 years...not bad for a late round pick.

Posted by: Barno1

Instead of debating the merits of his drafts, can you at least acknowledge that he has for 10 years been able to develop a cohesive whole? Finding secondary talent (after trying several times) is great but ultimately pointless if you have giant holes at other parts of your team. Noone would doubt that the highest paid defensive tackle in football is incredibly talented, but does that mean anything when your starting scrubs at offensive line and your sitting with a 3-9 record?

Do you honestly believe "he" (or the man he represents) will one day put it all together the way things are?

Posted by: jbanks979 | December 11, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

(un) able

Posted by: jbanks979 | December 11, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Chris Horton-Wasn't he benched this year before he got hurt?

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 11, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Chris Horton-Wasn't he the lowest drafted player on the 2008 All Rookie Team?

Posted by: Barno1 |

Barno,
Have you ever heard of a flash in the pan.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"barno1" - are you serious? Depth and durability for the line was a major concern. Samuels among them.

You are perfect for this management squad. You are the Pangloss of the Skins. it is the best of all possible scenarios to be 3-9. bwa ha ha ha. what a dope...

to quote panglos...err "Barno1" : Again folks, if you don't know what you're talking about, please don't feel compelled to post.

Posted by: funkey | December 11, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

If I had known Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels would be lost for the season after 4 games, do you really think I'd have predicted a great year for the Skins?

Posted by: Barno1

Barno,
They sucked before those two were injured. It's called lack of TD'S and lack of depth.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

A 3-9 team fires a kicker who was 87% on the year. And we're supposed to give Cerrato leadership points for this? Give me a break.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | December 11, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

You can't possibly be serious. You're really going to quote that kicker's 87% accuracy with a straight face? How many kicks did he hit above 50 yards? None. NONE! Last year he had the worst season as a kicker in the NFL, and you're going to quote his 87% accuracy this year?? Most of which were chip shots!

Wow, just wow

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

"Wow, just wow" sounds like a quote from Zorn. Happy Holiday's Barno.

SEND A SEASONS GREETING TO $NYDER:

BOYCOTT $NYDER-FIRE CERRATO-HO HO HO!

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Barno,
Not one of these players are starters at their position although a few have started a couple games. You might want to watch what you say Mr. Now-it-all.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Dude, what are you talking about? Between those guys there's been over 100 NFL starts. Golston and Montgomery have combined for over 40 starts. Doughty and Horton have comebined for over 30 starts.

Come on. I can totally understand (and agree) with frustration over moves like Tj Duckett, Jason Taylor, Adam Arculetta, Brandon Lloyd, Deion Sanders, Jeff George...I was against every one of those moves at the time (yes, even the Taylor move). But I do not understand why the Vinny-haters cannot acknowledge the many good moves he has also made. It's like they are blinded by the bad decisions and can't see the good ones. London Fletcher? Chris Cooley? Sean Taylor? Cornelius Griffin? Santana Moss? These were great moves/picks.

Look, Vinny may very well be an incredibly unlikeable person--and he has made his share of mistakes with this team. But he's also got a great eye for talent in my opinion. I don't necessarily think he is cut out for some of the responsibilities that go along with being a GM--such as which areas on our team need improvement, which don't, managing the cap, etc...But as far as identifying talent, I don't think there should be any question that he is pretty damn good at that.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Fletcher and Taylor fine. Cooley is overrated and has lost games fumbling the ball. I think he's average. Cornelius Griffin? Give me a break. Always injured. Moss hasn't shown me anything the last two years. He has dropped too many balls. And don't shove a bunch of stats down my throat. The only stat that pans out is win and lose.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Do you honestly believe "he" (or the man he represents) will one day put it all together the way things are?

Posted by: jbanks979 | December 11, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I think we've been very close on 3 occasions. The 3 playoff seasons in the Snyder/Cerrato era. I think if we just took it easy in the off season following those years, we'd have been real contenders. The chemistry was screwed up each time though with over the top moves. 2000 it was Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Jeff George, Deion Sanders. 2006 it was Archuletta, Randle El, Lloyd, Carter, and later Duckett AND a new offensive coordinator in Al Saunders. Last year because Gibbs retired it was a new head coach, new offensive coordinator, new QB coach, new D coordinator, in addition to the Jason Taylor move. Just way too many changes following our 3 playoff years. But what got us to our playoff years was stability in the off season the year before. Same QB, same coaches, very few free agency signings etc...

That's why I hope we stock up on O-line in the draft, dump a few of the older guys like Wynn, Daniels, Thomas, and some dead weight like Betts, Rock, Randle El...and let all our younger core grow INCLUDING Jason Campbell. As for head coach, I really don't have an answer there--I am not convinced Zorn is as gone as everyone else is.

I just hope we don't sign some big name coach who has already won a Super Bowl. I can't think of any coach who has won a SB with 2 teams--can't think of why we would be the first to do that.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

For once, I actually agree with Vinny. Missing what is essentially a PAT with the game on the line is inexcusable for an NFL kicker. No excuse, cut, no regret.

Posted by: WallyG3 | December 11, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Fletcher and Taylor fine. Cooley is overrated and has lost games fumbling the ball. I think he's average. Cornelius Griffin? Give me a break. Always injured. Moss hasn't shown me anything the last two years. He has dropped too many balls. And don't shove a bunch of stats down my throat. The only stat that pans out is win and lose.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough

Posted by: Barno1 | December 11, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I can't think of any coach who has won a SB with 2 teams--can't think of why we would be the first to do that.

Barno,
The closes thing I could find was Shula coached the Colts and the Dolphins in SB'S but lost the Colt's SB game. He also coached more SB'S than any other coach with 6 games. He had a 2 - 6 record overall in the SB.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Correction - Shula was 2 -4 in Super Bowls.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

re: Barno1...
That's a fair analysis, and even a deeply cynical Redskins fan like myself thought we were very close in 2005. (2007 involved a miraculous late season run and 2000 was a Norv coached team). Your prescription on how to fix the team is fundamentally sound in itself.

I'm just deeply skeptical that Vinnie (or you know who) have learned the lessons of 2000, 2005, and 2007 considering they've made the exact same mistakes at three seperate points over the course of a decade. That's ultimately my major criticism with Vin/Dan. They've shown at times, through a few key draft picks and free agent signings, that they can acquire "some" talent. If I was in charge of picking a safety or cornerback, I'd even consider seeking Vinnies advice. But neither has shown they have the ability or the patience to build and develop a complete roster that is capable of competing with the elite teams in the NFL. Furthermore, on the rare occasions that they've come close, the Snyder, win the offseason approach to team-building has only negatively affected the Skins long-term stability.

An elite general manager has to be able to find and develop good to elite talent at every position on the field. The skins have talent concentrated at very few highly paid positions, while others have been mostly ignored for over a decade. It's been the same story for the ten years Vinnie's been here. I want someone who is capable of building and maintaining a complete contender for multiple years, not just a few fluke runs sneaking into the playoffs.

Posted by: jbanks979 | December 11, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Александр Овечкин - великий 8

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I think Vinny is a good judge of talent. But I do not think he is good at building a team. That is the problem. He is a good evaluator of talent but I dont think he is very good at building a team. But actually if you look at the team right now we have alot of young players ready stepping up which is going to help us next year. I am torn right now on firing Zorn. 5 weeks ago I thought he needed to go, but the past few weeks the team has been playing good and it seems the team hasnt quit on the coach like they could have. That is the major question when firing a coach, do the players still play for him, it seems ours do. So we could keep Zorn and possibly use the momentum from the past couple of weeks going into next year or we fire him and have another 1 to 2 year readjustment to a new coach and new scheme. If Zorn gets fired then Russ Grimm or Greg Williams needs to be the frontrunners as the new coach. If a coaching switch is made lets get a coach who is going to have a smashmouth style not WCO.

Posted by: hudginsc | December 11, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

It's simply worse than we mere mortals can even imagine..Dan Snyder is now scouting quarterbacks? Imagine how bad this team will be in two years.. impossible

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 11, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Moss hasn't shown me anything the last two years. He has dropped too many balls. And don't shove a bunch of stats down my throat. The only stat that pans out is win and lose.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Not going to shove stats down your throat but I think we both know Lav Coles for Moss was a great deal for the Skins.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 12, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"I thought Sherm Lewis called an outstanding game. I mean, we punted I think one time."

So It was the play-calling that won the game and not execution? That's "My Uncle Vinny's" problem, its not the person calling the plays that is the problem, its how they are executed. Like, the field goal, was it a bad call because you miss it? No, just not better executed. The Skins have been improving, mainly because the players are feeling the team more, and just executing better, It's not because they brought in another coach for offense.
I fear for this off-season, I fear that it will be another bunch of moves, impulse decisons and thinking that miracles will happen next season. Get a RB, take a good look at Jason Campbell and see if he can stay, Get good O-line men, A good secondary guy to add, get Suh! And, i would bet on Zorn for another year. But this time get players he wants, and not players Synder and "My Uncle Vinny" wants. Why did the Skins start off os bad? So desmotivated? they got 1 player for 100 million! the rest of the players say, ok, you get all the moneym so you play.
Go skins!

Posted by: Pedro01 | December 12, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

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