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Local Poll Week III: Voter Frauds

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I'll tell ya, good help is hard to find. The Terps have lost three out of four. Their second best win is against Fairfield. They received a combined zero votes in this week's AP and coaches polls. And yet, in a poll of local voters dedicated to the championing of the little guy, the Terps remain third, ahead of Richmond (wins over Mississippi State and Missouri) and William & Mary (wins over Wake Forest and Richmond), both of which are getting votes in both national polls.

I know what you're thinking: "If you're so smart, Steinberg, why don't you just rank the damn teams yourself." Because I'm too busy transcribing radio interviews, wise guy.

Anyhow, the 11 teams here remain unchanged for a third straight week, although the order yet again gets shuffles. VCU takes the biggest fall, from 3rd to 7th, after losing to the Ampersand. GW is the biggest gainer, from 9th up to 6th after a successful BB&T. And on the day before Pearl Harbor Day, the Daily Colonial, GW Hatchet AND official GW Web site all went with versions of the "GW Sinks Navy" headline.

Here are the totals. We have team, record (through Sunday's games), points and first-place votes. Last week's standings are found below. More of the hilarious pithy comments will appear at a later time, and have fun watching Richmond vs. VCU.

1. Georgetown (6-0) 963 (91)
--Next: Tuesday vs. Butler, TBD, Saturday at Washington.
--Can't wait 'til they finally play GW in the Battle of the 20-Minute Walk from the Foggy Bottom Station. (Max Wasserman)

2. Virginia Tech (6-1) 708 (1)
--Next: Wednesday vs. VMI, Saturday at Penn State.
--Beat Iowa and Georgia with a game at Penn State this weekend. They do know basketball wins don't count towards BCS standings, right? (Markus Videnieks)

3. Maryland (5-3) 672 (1)
--Next: Saturday vs. Eastern Kentucky.
--Exhibition win over Indiana (Pa.) led to win over the real Indiana. Terps already searching the map for a Duke (Pa.). (Mike Steele)

4. Richmond (7-1) 666 (3)
--Next: Saturday at No. 7 VCU.
--Doing a nice job of grooming Chris Mooney to be hired by Virginia in about four years. (Grant Kronenberg)

5. William & Mary (6-2) 642 (1)
--Next: Off.
--Break up William & Mary. (Eric Angevine)

6. George Washington (6-1) 522 (2)
--Next: Wednesday vs. Providence, Saturday at Towson.
--Foggy Bottom, stand up! You know, because this is your stop....You get off here, right....Hurry up, the doors are closing. (Bill Fitzgerald)

7. VCU (5-2) 459
--Next: Saturday vs. No. 4 Richmond.
--I'm calling Saturday's showdown with Richmond " The Battle of the James River." Not to be confused with "The Battle for James' Liver" from last month's "Reader's Digest." (Jamie Paquette)

8. Old Dominion (5-3) 268 (1)
--Tuesday vs. Mount St. Mary's, Friday at Dayton.
--Monarch butterflies travel thousands of miles over several generations to propagate their species. These guys couldn't even handle a trip to Richmond. (Jamie Paquette)

9. Virginia (4-3) 203
--Next: Monday at Auburn.
--Running out of coaches to buy out. (Mike Rannells)

10. George Mason (4-4) 152
--Next: Tuesday vs. Dayton, Saturday vs. Creighton.
--If the "Battle of the Orange Line" with George Washington had been held on a weekend, they'd probably have delayed it 45 minutes and only played on one half of the court because of "scheduled maintenance." (John Hawkes)

11. Morgan State (5-3) 91
--Next: Tuesday at Minnesota, Saturday vs. Manhattan.
--Bears beat Coppin State in the Battle of Charm City. Mayor Sheila Dixon was later charged with selling all of her comp tickets for the game on StubHub. (Tim Lyden)

Also receiving votes: Radford 52, James Madison 21, American 11, Mount St. Mary's 11, Howard 10, UMBC 9, VMI 9, Towson 8, Loyola 7, Coppin State 3, Hampton 3.

Last week's rankings
1. Georgetown
2. Maryland
3. VCU
4. Virginia Tech
5. Richmond
6. William & Mary
7. Old Dominion
8. George Mason
9. George Washington
10. Virginia
11. Morgan State

By Dan Steinberg  |  December 7, 2009; 4:48 PM ET
Categories:  Atlantic 11 , College Basketball  
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Even as a Maryland fan, I'm ashamed of my fellow voters.

Markus Videnieks is still the lord of the pith.

Posted by: nordicus | December 7, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Richmond shouldn't be third - they should. But you can argue that Maryland's losses are excusable (Cincy, Wisco, Nova) and Richmond lost to W&M who lost to Harvard.

Sorry, no more devil's advocate - Terps should be fifth.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 7, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt in my mind that maryland would beat every team in this poll head to head. Everyone loves to hate on gary williams.....look at the success he has had at maryland. What other local college has had half the success maryland has had the past 15 years?????????????????????

i thought so

Posted by: 1dixon | December 7, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

If by "half the success" you mean at least:
1 Final Four;
1 Elite Eight;
6 NCAA Appearances;
.5 Conference Tournament Championship; and
1 Regular Season Conference Championship (that's half of MD's recent success),
then Georgetown has had more than half the success of Maryland.

Take that.

Posted by: ComoPark | December 7, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

@1dixon: they'll get their chance at @W&M on December 30

Posted by: lordscarlet1 | December 7, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure any other teams will crack the A11 this year except maybe Radford or MSM. There's a pretty steep dropoff and a lot of truly terrible teams (e.g. American, UMBC, Hampton - wait why are those
teams getting votes?).

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | December 7, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Maryland is 7 in my ballot. They have lost to three good teams but they really have not competed in those games. Nova was on cruise control for most of that game. That said, the Terps will likely get a lot better as the big men improve, assuming Vasquez gets out of whatever funk he is in.

Posted by: fitzfacts | December 7, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Mason would also be pretty close to half of Maryland's success. They also managed about half of Maryland's collapse after being really successful.

Posted by: Dancy1 | December 8, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Rating "local" (Richmond to Baltimore: 133 miles; Norfolk to Baltimore: 233 miles) schools basketball progams = YAWNFEST.

Mmm, Old Dominion. Yeah.

Morgan State. Awesome.

Virgina Commonwealth University. Oh, please more of this.

Now that we are past pleasing Steinz's hardcore, "Atlantic 11" power ranking fanbase (all 7 of you), I hope we get back to what really matters: MORE VINNY CERRATO INTERVIEWS.

Gives us more Cerrato nectar, Mr. Steinz please.

Posted by: hithere1 | December 8, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree with fitzfacts completely. I had Maryland 7 for the same reasons, and I think they will improve. This seems to be their MO the past few seasons.

This is not a comment on Gary or on the team's past success. No need to take it personally, Terp fans.

Posted by: nordicus | December 8, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse


When was the last time a pro DC team in the 4 majors LED THEIR LEAGUE STANDINGS this late in the season?

I hope you're compiling that list. The Caps must be breaking some kind of record...which I'm pretty sure they set themselves in the early 2000s.

Posted by: ThisGuy | December 8, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

While I have still been voting Maryland relatively high, much of my voting record still is based on Powers not so much ranking.

Maryland, while certainly, have not won games they probably should have, also lost to decent teams. What's more important playing 5 terrible teams and winning, or traveling to Hawaii and losing to 2 or 3 teams that are decent?

If you look at the talent and potential, which is part of the "Power Rankings" they still have some claim to be in the middle of the pack. I don't think they're first, probably not even second, though to put them much further down, when others have minimal talent, is tough to consider.

Posted by: mbhowa | December 8, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

@1dixon - 1) Maryland refuses to play these teams, so we'll never know how good they are against the A-11, 2) saying MD is good because of past success is a joke (ask Bobby Bowden how that argument worked out), and 3) I do dislike Williams, but that is because he's worked really hard at unlikable over the years.

I guess MD fans are up in arms over this poll because its the only thing they've had a shot at winning lately.

Posted by: EShine | December 8, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

@mbhowa - talent and potential are preseason ranking criteria. Now that the season has started, it's about performance, and while Maryland has probably played the toughest schedule, te Terps were not really a threat in all three of their losses. Compared to VCU manhandling a talented Oklahoma team and W&M winning at Wake, Maryland comes up short.

Posted by: fitzfacts | December 8, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

putting maryland's great success over the past 15 years to the side, this years maryland team is good enough to compete for the acc crown. they have lost to 3 good teams without their best big man (dino gregory) who will be back this week, and I believe it is georgetown who has been afraid to play maryland. gary would love to play g-town but the thompson family would not.

Posted by: 1dixon | December 8, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

The Biggest Upset in Atlantic 11 Basketball History: Radford v. #1 Kentucky on December 09, 2009

Posted by: highshockey | December 9, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: highshockey | December 9, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

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