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Riggo discusses Hall of Fame voting

If there's one NFL market where fans have spent more time debating Hall of Fame voting procedures more than any other, D.C. might have dibs. The lingering Art Monk debate got to the point where Skins fans were creating petitions and Web sites, writing to selectors and parsing every word the voters had ever typed.

Which is why we'll take a pause from Vinny Cerrato transcriptions here to plug, a Web site that's encouraging fans to follow the same procedure that Hall of Fame selectors use, eliminating candidates and selecting finalists and the whole thing, to see what differences result.

Now, would fans annually come up with a rational Hall of Fame list? Probably not. The real voters and the fan voters are both down to 25 candidates, and 11 of the names are different, with the fans going for big names like Randall Cunningham, Jim Plunkett, Phil Simms and Joe Theismann, people who likely are quickly dismissed by the real voters. Still, why not, I guess.

"Not that it means anything to the people who actually vote, but it's almost like a poll that the president doesn't necessarily pay attention to," said John Riggins, who is helping promote the site. "Maybe it does influence and inform him, maybe this will at least make voters open their mind a little longer for a certain candidate. I think it's a good thing...Who's to say indirectly they can't have an influence on some of the things that happen?"

Of course, the real voters--who once upon a time rewarded Riggins with his jacket--are media members. Whether they're the proper people to make such decisions is a whole different debate, with questions about whether they're the most qualified to decide, and whether they're hurting their objectivity by fighting over votes.

"I don't think anything's gonna change in the future with this but it gives fans a chance, the people who are the lifeblood of this thing a chance to express their views," Riggins told me. "If a bunch of professional athletes get together--because we read things you write--and whenever you retire, a few years after that, we get together and decide who are some of the best sportswriters of all time, or bloggers, or whatever. And if we vote on it, do you go 'Wow, this is a great honor,' or do you go 'What the [bleep] do these guys know about it? Half these guys didn't get through college, and they're telling me I'm a great writer?' It's not exactly your peers who vote for it, so go figure."

And while the fans' top 25 doesn't include Russ Grimm, he does make the actual list of 25 semifinalists, which makes me think maybe the pros know a bit about what they're doing. I asked Riggins which excluded Redskins deserve to be in the Hall, and Grimm was one of the first names he mentioned.

"Clearly Joe Jacoby and Russ Grimm," he said. "I go so far--and this is maybe where I lose my credibility, but a guy like Jeff Bostic, I'm telling you, he played as well as any center in his era. Donnie Warren doesn't have the numbers as a tight end, but that was because they didn't want to use him, but he could block damn near as good as Jacoby and Grimm could. In this regard I'm probably not completely objective, but still, few people would put up an argument I would hope with Russ Grimm and Joe Jacoby. They were to Washington what Gene Upshaw and Art Shell were to Oakland, and both those guys are in. So I don't know how that works."

Either do I, but if you want to go vote yourself, have at it.

By Dan Steinberg  |  December 11, 2009; 3:17 PM ET
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Vinny shouldn't talk so much, as a team Executive because he opens himself up to cricism. Having said that, it's obvious Steinberg has something personal against the guy.

Why shouldn't Vinny look at a QB?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 11, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse


Why shouldn't Vinny look at a QB?

Because he should had been fired years ago.

Posted by: hessone | December 11, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

ricky, i don't have a problem necessarily with vinnie scouting QBs. i will have a problem if he around to draft one.

however, i wonder how many other GM's, much less owners, are publically flying around to scout players. i think that's why teams have SCOUTS. look at players, provide their evaluations to the decision makers. let vinny go to the senior bowl and the combine if he wants to sniff some jocks.

besides, hes just telegraphing his intentions. stupid. besides, pretty likely none of these guys are going to be manning, roethisburger or brady. therefore, our needs lie elsewhere...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 11, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"it's obvious Steinberg has something personal against the guy."

Ricky that was true of JLC, but not Steinz he is simply blogging about current events that pertain to the Skins. If you can't see that Vinny brings the ridicule upon himself then you are truly a blind homer

Posted by: jonthefisherman | December 11, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is a bad joke

Posted by: jonthefisherman | December 11, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Vinny scouting QB's? You mean Vinny and Dan Snyder scouting QB's...

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 12, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

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