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Stackhouse on Gilbert, guns and goofing


(2004 photo by John McDonnell - TWP)


It's hard to remember just how long Gilbert Arenas has been in D.C., but he's actually been here long enough to have teamed with Jerry Stackhouse for one season. That was 2003-2004, and you'd assume that the 2009-2010 Gilbert is quite a bit changed, but based on recent events...not so sure.

Anyhow, Stackhouse does a weekly appearance on Sirius XM's Mad Dog Radio show, and this week he discussed Arenas. This came before the finger-gun episode, and it came before Gilbert's indefinite suspension, but it still seems apropos.

"It's disappointing because that's not the guy, he's not the guy that should even be in this conversation," Stackhouse said. "Gilbert's just a happy-go-lucky [kind of person]. I know that he collects guns from back in Phoenix. He got with a collector there, one of the Arizona guys, and he kinda got into guns and that's how he has all these guns. But the fact that he brought them to the arena? That's just kinda, what are you doing, dude? You've got too much money. If you need to store a gun somewhere - the reports were he was taking them out of the house because he just had a young baby - okay, do that. But you have so many options other than bringing it to the arena."

Stackhouse's co-host later asked for more impressions about Gilbert the person.

"Gilbert is just, he's always doing something, you know what I'm saying?" Stackhouse said. "He's just kind of a pain in the butt sometimes. Because it was just like, this guy with so much talent, why is he always joking around and playing? And that was obviously quite a few years ago that we played together but that's what I saw in him....He was a handful, but his talent on the court is undeniable.

"But he was really immature and I think this right now, he's still showing signs that he's immature. I like Gilbert a lot but I think that this is just immaturity. He's at the point now where he's looked at as a superstar in this league so he has to understand and know, or he needs to have people around him to help him understand and know, that he has certain things that he has to uphold within the community being the franchise player for the Washington Wizards."

By Dan Steinberg  |  January 7, 2010; 10:55 AM ET
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6 reasons why Gilbert Arenas is not fit to take the court in an NBA game:

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/29/AR2007102901892.html

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2005/sep/07/20050907-095333-1122r/

www.gilbertology.net/2007/03/20/gilbert-arenas-in-freddie-macs-hoops-for-the-homeless/

www.zerotwoherofoundation.org/

www.yourcause.com/gilbertarenas

www.blackgivesback.com/2007/10/gilbert-arenas-scores-for-schools.html

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Barno:

Perhaps you could repost your Agent Zero Love List on EVERY sub-thread.

Posted by: Gunga2009 | January 7, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

3 Reasons why Gilbert Arenas may just be fit to take the court in an NBA game after all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKrcLWSvNrA&feature=PlayList&p=2AFCA54335BCD07D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=22

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

what's a sub-thread?

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Barno - We get it, Gilbert is a generous person, has a kind heart, a philanthropic side and is non-violent. This is clear. Gilbert is not a bad guy.

You fail to address how this excuses his transgression of the law and even worse his flippant and deplorable attempts to marginalize the issue. Fact: if he had kept his mouth shut (after the incident), his Twitter account quiet, and not tried to make light of the situation he would still be playing right now as the legal situation unfolds. His actions denied his due process.

Posted by: blinders1 | January 7, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

You fail to address how this excuses his transgression of the law and even worse his flippant and deplorable attempts to marginalize the issue. Fact: if he had kept his mouth shut (after the incident), his Twitter account quiet, and not tried to make light of the situation he would still be playing right now as the legal situation unfolds. His actions denied his due process.

Posted by: blinders1 | January 7, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I forgot that your First Amendment rights end where the NBA's collective bargaining agreement begins.

What you and countless other people commenting on this issue are not understanding is that Arenas was not mocking the severity of the potential gun charge, nor was he mocking the NBA's rule on guns in an arena. What he was making light of was the media's portrayal of him as some kind of thug.

From Mike Wise's story today:

"The gun charge, I'm taking serious," he said in the interview. "The media painting a picture of me, casting me as someone I'm not, that's what I reacted to. I'm reacting to what people are saying about me not the seriousness of the situation."

So when Gilbert jokes about robbing banks, when he points his fingers as air pistols, he's not mocking the authorities--he's mocking the morons who have decided to make him the poster boy for everything that's wrong with professional athletes. Gilbert has every right to exercise his First Amendment rights, just as he exercised the Second Amendment.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

excuse engines
enablers
hand holders
adults who are just as immature
no accountability
man up
it's just the culture
collector BS
ADMITTED ILLEGAL ACTIVITY
JUST NOT A RESPONSIBLE PERSON

Posted by: kidvid | January 7, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Barno - We get it, Gilbert is a generous person, has a kind heart, a philanthropic side and is non-violent. This is clear. Gilbert is not a bad guy.

Posted by: blinders1 | January 7, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

And hey, that's great that you get that. But judging from the thousands of comments about Arenas on message boards the past week, the overwhelming vast majority of people do NOT "get it." So I will continue to remind people that this is one of the better human beings in the NBA we are talking about here, and easily one of the most generous and caring men ever to step foot in Washington DC.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

In his defense, I suspect that Barno is only offering (albiet time and again) some possible mitigating circumstances that might argue in favor of giving Arenas a lighter sentence -- or time off for good behavior -- if and when the time comes for Gilbert Arenas to be punished for his inexcusable actions and behaviors.

Fact is, if these allegations are proven out -- and Arenas has essentially already admitted to much of it -- then we must conclude that he broke several civil laws, in addition to violating the terms of the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement and his own player contract.

I also suspect that yesterday's suspension was only a starting point... and was likely handed down by the League Commish as a sort of "cease and desist order" to stop this overpaid and immature Wiz Kid from continuing to embarrass himself and the league he represents -- with his continued tweeting and other ill-advised public posturing, mockery and insubordination, including his not-so-funny animations of his purported prowess as a gunfighter.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 7, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Great piece on the racist moron Al Sharpton's involvement in getting Arenas suspended:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/06/opinion/main6062187.shtml

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Just in case anyone has forgotten....


Cleveland > Wiz.

Forever.


Enjoy.

Posted by: popopo | January 7, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

healthy Cleveland > unhealthy Wiz.

healthy Cleveland vs healthy Wiz, who is better has yet to be determined.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Reverend Sharpton does a good job of explaining the reasons for his stance in today's editorial section of the WAPO. See:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/06/AR2010010603913.html

Posted by: Vic1 | January 7, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

i agree with barno

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12755334/crazy-from-packing-the-heat-talk-of-arenas-lifetime-ban-is-ludicrous

here is a great article regarding the situation from someone who hasnt lost their mind over the situation

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 7, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Vic1,

The real question regarding Al Sharpton is why such a viciously racist and despicably bigoted person is still taken seriously by the press. Why is Al Sharpton even quoted anymore? One would think that comments like "If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house" and referring to Jews as "diamond merchants" and saying of Mitt Romney "as for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him" would be more than reason enough to cut this guy's mic off years ago--let alone his many efforts in inciting riots--but apparently not for our media.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, gotta say I was surprised to hear Rev. Al coming down against Arenas... but also must admit there's wisdom in his words too -- particularly the parts about too many young black men being killed before their time -- and the need for our athlete-role model-hero types to hold themselves to higher standards.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 7, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I actually agree with Barno on this one though we never agree on the MD blog. Gilbert really misplayed things here, but he is so not the thug that the national media is trying to make him out to be. He is not Allen Iverson.

Posted by: restonhoops | January 7, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Reston, let's agree to still hate each other on the Terp blog but over here on the DC Sports bog we can be friends.

As for your comments, I completely agree he is not the thug he is being portrayed to be. Though I don't think Iverson is much of a thug, not these days anyway. Iverson has really not be in trouble with the law in quite some time and is now a devoted husband and father.

A better comparison would be "at least Arenas has never been indicted for a double-murder, been convicted of obstruction of justice, been fined $250,000 by his league, and paid off the families of the 2 men whose deaths he was involved in....like the media's favorite guy Ray Lewis"

Just curious, Does David Stern believe Ray Lewis is fit to take the field in an NFL game?

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

If David Stern is so concerned about the risk of gun violence, then why is Delonte West allowed out on the court? At least Gilbert doesn't ride around on a motorcycle armed like he's Mel Gibson in "Road Warrior."

Posted by: pjkiger1 | January 7, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

If David Stern is so concerned about the risk of gun violence, then why is Delonte West allowed out on the court? At least Gilbert doesn't ride around on a motorcycle armed like he's Mel Gibson in "Road Warrior."

Posted by: pjkiger1 | January 7, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Here's the simple answer: Because David Stern is a f*cking joke.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

As I stated before, Gil was as wrong as two left feet but he is not a knuckledheaded thug as is being portrayed in the news media. He is as Stackhouse said, very immature for his age and needed someone to help him understand what a great position he was in. He just didn't get it and unfortunately, his antics backfired on him. I still have empathy for the young fellow and pray that he comes out of this alright. If he doesn't play ball agin in a Wiz uni, then so be it. But I think it is rather harsh to put him out of the NBA for good. As for Sharpton, he just latches on to whatever has the media spot light at the time so that part of that light is shining on him. He is not from this area, doesn't follow the Wiz and really doesn't know Gilbert. Yes, Gilbert pepetuated a boneheaded act, but in that body of immaturity is a heart of gold and a lot of local schools and charities have benefited from his largesse. I am going to keep him in my prayers. An no, I am not excusing his behavaior. I am just not going to assinate his character. It is best that he move on anyway, most on this blog didn't want him hear no way and his antics just added fuel to their fire.

Posted by: ivyleague | January 7, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

OJ was a kind hearted soul until he decapitated two people.

So what if Arenas donated dollars to this group or that cause.

Most recently he broke many laws, by his own admission, and used bad judgement by 'joking' around with guns.

There is no excuse for what he did so now he's paying the cost for his immaturity.

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | January 7, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

You know you've lost all credibility as a blog poster when you compare Gilbert Arenas to OJ Simpson. Wow, just wow.

You're not really that stupid are you?

Posted by: Barno1 | January 7, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Really?? Gilbert = OJ. I don't see it.

What Gilbert did was stupid. I guess I am showing my age but I grew up when most a pickup truck in Loudoun County was likely to have a gun rack in the back. I'm not terrified by guns. I'm embarrassed that he was so reckless with firearms but I don't see how it is so easy to condemn him as a thug rapper for having a firearm.

If Gilbert had drugs in his locker, would we be talking about a possible lifetime ban? There are plenty of other things that are not legal in the workplace (drugs, porn, sexual harassment, etc.) but the gun rule seems to be the only one that results in instant termination.

Posted by: calhokie | January 7, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

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