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Milbury and Roenick fight over Ovechkin

NBC analyst Mike Milbury obviously knows that Caps fans regularly accuse him of anti-Ovechkin propaganda. From the Crapitals incident, to calling Ovechkin "a dog," to the more recent "Hey Ovi, I'm still your daddy right now" comment about Crosby, Milbury is building up quite a resume.

Does this make him second-guess his comments about Ovechkin, keeping everything drab and vanilla, offering generic praise and moving on, staying away from controversy? It does not. During the first intermission of the Canada-Norway game Tuesday evening, NBC ran a little piece about Ovechkin, then came out of it by asking Milbury to whom he compares Ovechkin.

The question was asked in the "history of hockey" sense, or maybe the "compare him to a great athlete in another sport" sense. The gist was that NBC's analyst should help viewers understand the nature of Ovechkin's game. Milbury's answer?

"Well, if I compared him to the other great player in the game it'd be Sidney Crosby," Milbury replied. "Crosby: professional, workmanlike. Ovechkin: exuberant, just every day is another day at the beach for this kid."

That...well, it just doesn't seem like exactly the comparison we looking for in this particular instance. As luck would have it, Jeremy Roenick was sitting right next to Milbury at the time, and he wasn't having this.


"How can you compare Ovechkin with Sidney Crosby?" Roenick asked, spouting death rays of disbelief. "Ovechkin is the symbol of energy. He plays the game with a heart on his sleeve, and he loves to score goals. He has 209 goals in the last three-and-a-half seasons, and on his way to his fourth 50-goal season. This kid is amazing."

"Yeah," said Milbury, "but isn't the score right now Crosby 1 Cup, Ovechkin none, JR? Doesn't it come down to winning?"

And this is where the crash happened. Two responses into what was supposed to be a little NBC puffery over one of hockey's biggest stars, and Milbury is playing the Stanley Cup, "doesn't-it-come-down-to-winning" card. Never mind that the Caps have the most points in the NHL, that they're 2-0 against the Penguins this year, or that the point of this segment wasn't to analyze how many Stanley Cups Ovechkin has won.

"Well, you said you're comparing each other to...." Roenick tried.

"Yeah, they're two great players, for crying out loud," Milbury said.

"I'm telling you, if I'm picking a player to watch, I'm picking Ovechkin, because he brings me out of my seat," Roenick said, which really wasn't the point, either. I mean, once in a while, you're theoretically allowed to praise one of these guys without taking a shot at the other one. But the conversation was already way too far off the rails to fix, which led Milbury directly into the gully of sarcastic contempt.

"Yeah, ok, that's a good point," he said. "You're picking a player to watch or are you picking a player to lead your team? Right now, Ovechkin's got to prove [it]. He's been pretty good since they gave him the C. Let's see if he can take it all the way through."

"Good point, good point by you," Roenick said. "But I still like Ovechkin."

"All right," Milbury concluded. "Good for you."

Anyhow, I'm not saying I'm rooting for Russia in the Olympics, but I suppose it would be interesting to watch Mike Milbury's eye sockets explode if Ovechkin wins gold. And if Crosby's Canadians happen to beat Russia in the final? Well, maybe we'll hear about it once or twice in the future.

(Video below, for now. Infinite thanks to reader Jonathan for helping with this. And "Milbury" became a local trending word on Twitter Tuesday night, which in itself is fairly amazing.)

By Dan Steinberg  |  February 17, 2010; 10:19 AM ET
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Comments

Mike Milbury is a Don Cherry wannabe. And I do not mean that as a compliment.

Posted by: greggwiggins | February 17, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Roenick is so annoyed with Millbury. Thanks for this Dan.

Posted by: gidge | February 17, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I just like Roenick a whole lot more.

Posted by: ttn703 | February 17, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I hate Milbury more & more every day.

I bet even if the Caps win the cup and Russia wins the Olympics, it still won't stop his Ovi bashing.

Posted by: TwoBuckChuck | February 17, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Milbury was also mouthing off against Team USA during the USA vs Switzerland game.

Posted by: Bagher | February 17, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing how much Milbury and others treat last year's Cup by the Pens as some kind of absolute proof that Crosby is the better player, as if both players were retiring tomorrow instead of both being under 25 and having years more to win Cups --and as if the team around the two players didn't have anything to do with winning the Cup as well. Bizarre.

Posted by: TheFingerman | February 17, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Milbury must think Dan Marino was a bum.

Posted by: cao091402 | February 17, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I can't imagine NBC is very happy with with this. Certainly doesn't make them look good. Never would have guessed that Roenick would be defending Ovi on national TV...mostly because I didn't think Roenick would be on national tv.

Posted by: EricS2 | February 17, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Milbury would have been more concise if he had just yelled "Crosby!" and slapping the desk like a child throwing a tantrum. On the topic of Ovechkin, he is simply incapable of doing anything but bringing up that he prefers Crosby for reasons that don't stand up to logic (like pointing to Cups won by individuals in a team sport).

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | February 17, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"...started slapping", that is.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | February 17, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

First, Milbury is a d-bag, always has been and always will be, so nothing new there. Can't take the guy seriously.

Second, what has winning the cup have to do with comparing invidual players? You need a team to win the cup, not just a nut-puncher like Crosby.

Posted by: Moose33 | February 17, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Geee. Here is another surprise.. Milbury jumping on the Crosby love wagon and the Ovi hate train..

Whatever. We should just not even give the guy attention. Just another part of the NBC (Nothing But Crosby) hockey coverage we get from that network.

Posted by: DrCapsFan11 | February 17, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Roenick is the only thing that makes the NBC hockey coverage slightly tolerable, he is a great addition.

Posted by: Bagher | February 17, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Pulling hard for mother Russia if USA isn't in the mix.

Posted by: DMoney28 | February 17, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Come on Milbury is genius. It's not like he traded away Zdeno Chara, Wade Redden, Roberto Luongo, Olli Jokinen, Todd Bertuzzi, and Tim Connolly for absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Witter | February 17, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Roenick has always hated Crosby and has not been shy about saying it in the past. It was a debacle that either Milbury or Roenick got into that argument at all. Makes them both look unprofessional. And you Caps homers are more interested in seeing Ovechkin look good in this Olympics than the Americans to do well. Trust me, if the USA wins (unlikely) it would be so much better longterm for the sport here and everywhere else in the US than if Ovechkin does well. Ovechkin won't be here forever, even if he plays his whole career here. Real hockey fans....the ones that stick around forever and are not just bandwagon fans for one player...are here because the love of hockey is bred in there souls. My 9 yr old squirt travel player gets hope that someday he can be an NHL player if other Americans can do well.

By the way...Steinberg, you really got an obsession about the Ovechkin-Crosby thing. Why are Caps fans so obsessed by this?

Posted by: vahockeyfan | February 17, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Back in the Redskins glory days, I used to hate when Randy Cross would get the call on games because he obviously hated the Redskins and to this day I can't stand him. Even he didn't blatantly disrespect the team or players or "slip" and call the Redskins "Deadskins."

I didn't think I could hate an analyst as much as I did Randy Cross until Milbury. I hope the Russians eliminate the Canadians and I can't wait to hear his call when the Caps are hoisting the Stanley Cup.

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | February 17, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

After the US game, Milbury tried to BASH the way US team played. And JR went against him saying, 'I PLAYED in these games...' it takes time for the players to play well and so on and so forth, but there was a slight hostility between the two of them.

Milbury just wanted to bash. JR was like, calm down, u haven't been in these games, it takes time.

It would be great if US went all the way.

Also, Crosby and Ovechkin are great players. But the Stanley Cup has a lot to do with who your team mates are, and a little bit of good fortune. I am not saying the caps didn't have as good a team as the pens did last year. I don't think the team that pens had last year was all that great. Thanks DET for sucking in the final game at home. wow... But caps defense is something that needed to be fixed... good for crosby for winning the cup alone i guess. i guess that is how it will be looked at? good for crosby for winning the cup alone? is that how it happened? that is some CRAP!!!

anyway, i can appreciate good players from other teams. I just cannot take any kind of appreciation of Crosby. you know what they should have? a one on one with Crosby and Ovechkin. some kinda one on one format. my money would be on OVI %100 percent of the time...

he is the better player.

Posted by: doeshin | February 17, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I took a sports management class in college with a professor who new Millbury very well and basically told us that the guy is an idiot. He told us a story about Millbury throwing rocks at a kid who was riding on his bicycle. The guy is a first class loser and Caps fans should just ignore him rather than letting him think that his opinions have any value.

Posted by: ebberger | February 17, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I can name a hundred crappy players with rings. Doesn't make them any better. That's such an asinine argument.

What will all the pro-Crosby fanatics say once Ovi wins the cup? Can't wait to hear the argument then. "Well . . . Crosby's better because . . . um . . . "

As for VAHockeyFan: Isn't it a little hypocritical to contribute to the debate, then criticize someone else for being obsessed with that debate? Many of us have been around since the expansion year -- not all Caps fans are bandwagoners. But aren't those who are good for the game too? Isn't that exactly what you imply -- that the sport will be more popular here if the USA does well? Gosh, will those new fans have 'been around forever?' Whatever.

Posted by: RIP-21 | February 17, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

with Millburys flawed thinking...Tyler Kennedy is a better player than Ovie. To lead a team into a game today(not yesterday or tomorrow) OVIE is that man.

Go Caps, USA ans Russia!

Good Point, you HOSER!

Posted by: tttyler | February 17, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I am so bored of the media and the fans drumming up this "rivalry" between Ovechkin and Crosby. It's getting as bad as the Yankee - Red Sox snoozefest (you know that other cities have baseball teams -- not if you only watch ESPN). I don't recall the national media making people pick a player to root for during the Gretzky-Lemieux days or the Bird-Magic days, or even the Aaron-Mays days. They need to stop this obsessing, it isn't doing anyone any good, unless they think this WWF style of commentary is good for their ratings.

Posted by: LionelMandrake | February 17, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Check the Penguins nhl site and the nhl has OVIE leading the way right on top...ahead of "sid the child" seeling its product for a reason.

Hey Millbury the nhl likes JR's point too.

Posted by: tttyler | February 17, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it funny to hear the worst GM in NHL history talk about who he would build a team around?

Bertuzzi, McCabe, 3rd rounder(Ruutu) for Linden

Spezza, Chara, Muckalt for Yashin

Luongo, Jokinen for Parrish and Kvasha.

Mike Milbury should just be thanking his lucky stars that a TV network could still think his opinion in hockey is worth anything.

Posted by: jmuandy | February 17, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone really have a question that Don has already popped Milbury's Anal Cherry?

Posted by: VeloStrummer | February 17, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

RIP-21: It just seems that it is 24-7 Ovechkin for most Caps fans....and woe to anyone who would even think to compare him unfavorably to another player. I just don't think those one-player fans stick around. True hockey fans appreciate the game, their team and the skills of other players. They mostly hate on other TEAMS (not a bad thing at all), not on other players. The Ovechkin-Crosby thing has just gotten so out of hand that it is like talking politics. No one wants to listen....they just want to hear themself talk....and the juveniles on both sides (Crysby, the Great Ape) come out of their parents' basement to comment.

Posted by: vahockeyfan | February 17, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

If Crosby is supposed to be some great leader - why did he get that pathetically idiotic penalty in the game against Norway last night? He let one of the Norwegians get under his skin and he got called for a cheap elbow. Bone head moves like that will cost your team a goal against a better team. I respect him for his skating and stick skills - but, he is not the "Great One" nor should he be compared to him.

Posted by: MDL7 | February 17, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Crosby's leadership skills are so great, the Pens were out of the playoff picture last year before they brought in a new coach, Bill Guerin and Chris Kunitz

Posted by: SombreroGuy | February 17, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

and yeah Crosby is a great player, but to take that softball question about Ovechkin, (and the obvious answer is a cross between Rocket Richard and Messier) and turn it into a chance to praise Crosby is ridiculous.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | February 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Milbury is a self promoter. When he was running the Islanders, he would often stop/delay the NHL draft by pretending to make trades to keep the spotlight on himself. He is more interested in self-promotion than in doing his job -- which is why he is sitting at a desk on NBC rather than coaching or in a front office of an NHL team. In this case, he's trying to make headlines for himself by degrading Ovechkin. Yawn. And Milbury looks like Howdy Doody anyway.

Posted by: raymitten | February 17, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

You know Milbury cant wait to give Crosbaby the reach around as soon he drops his hockey pants.

Posted by: gatsu | February 17, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Milbury, Cherry, heck Campbell can't keep Ovechkin down no matter how hard they try. So, don't get your feathers ruffled by their nonsense.

Everyone plays up Sidney, yet he is still a whiney baby on the ice who produces... like a mule.

Ovechkin makes no excuses, takes no bull and performs like the amazing athlete he is.

Ovechkin is a verb, not an adjective. He moves and accomplishes. Sidney is a whiner who accused the Caps of being a one man team... well, what happened when Malkin and Gonchar were hurt this season?... What happened was that the Penguins went into an eight game rut. Even their star couldn't bring them back, but with Ovie being suspended wrongfully by the Cap-hating Campbell and his crew, the Captials still won games. Because the Caps, like Ovechkin, are doers.

And CROSBY doesn't have a Stanley Cup, the Penguins have a Stanley Cup, by one flukey semifinal game and a lot of luck along the way.

Ovie has two MVPs and personal awards because he was recognized by his peers and the hockey community as a whole! Where are the "great" Sidney awards? He has none, because he aint so great! He's the Kid, whiney, baby, who lives with his owner because he aint big enough to live on his own.

Go Ovie! I hope USA wins, but if not... go Ovie, Sasha, Varley, Flash and Nicky! The Caps are number one, no matter what country they come from.

Stick it Milbury!

Posted by: etriscari | February 17, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Why do we (in the royal sense) continue to rate individuals in a team sport based on how well the team does? It reminds me of the talk before the Super Bowl about where Manning fits in historically and people are pointing out how many Super Bowls he has one compared to other greats! How many World Series did Ernie Banks win? Is he not a great player; one of the best ever?

Look, even if Ovi plays a lot, he is playing less than 1/2 of the time his team is playing. What we should do is try and imagine what the teams would be like without the individuals? What would the Caps be without Ovi and what would the Pens be without Crosby? If you take the 2 players off their respective teams, which team would you rather have? I suspect a Crosby-less Pens team would be better than an Ovi-less Caps team. That's why I would rate Ovechkin as the best player in the League right now and on his way to being one of the best ever.

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | February 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

why do people get so bent out of shape over what a Milbury says about Ovechkin? As far as I can tell, he's probably the only hockey voice out there who has not embraced everything Ovechkin. That's just one guy. He's in his own minority. Let it go already.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"What would the Caps be without Ovi"

they'd probably have a new GM at this point :)
McPhee's tenure is as inexorably linked to that lottery pick as anything could ever be.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow Dan, methinks you have an unhealthy addiction to anything that is not glorifying the great Ovechkin. A little touchy, are we? Makes sense, since your Zards have blown up, Cavs will continue to be better than them, and Crosby does have one more Cup than Ovie.

C'mon, bring the snark (it's the only thing you can bring).

Posted by: popopo | February 17, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

etriscari: "Where are the "great" Sidney awards? He has none, because he aint so great!"

He won the Art Ross and the Hart in the 2007 season. Weren't you a hockey fan back then?

Posted by: RoachVA141 | February 17, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

This proves that been a broadcaster and been smart do need to be in the same page

Posted by: cordobes17 | February 17, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Is this not the same Mike Milbury who basically ruined the New York Islanders?

I wish J.R. would've whack him one across the chin for bringing up Crosby 1 Cup....

Posted by: ENJOYA | February 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with what Milbury says. Look, Ovie is a great player and brings great energy and play to the game of Hockey but the bottom line is championships and until the Caps win one with Ovie he'll be nothing but a second coming of Pavel Bure.

Posted by: 40ozoffreedom | February 17, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"I just like Roenick a whole lot more."

Yeah me too, and that's not saying much. :)

Please don't EVER compare Ovie to Pavel Bure. They aren't even in the same league. Not even close.

I think what they wanted was to compare Ovie to a player in the NBA for instance. I have no problem comparing Ovie to someone like Lebron James for example, and I think that's a fair comparison.

I can't stand Lebron, but if I were in Cleveland I would love him to death. It's the same with Ovie, he's Russian and hockey is traditionally a Canadian sport. Canadians don't like Russians. Why? They are a threat to "thier" sport. Of course all of those bacon eaters up north are going to kiss Crosby's butt.

What do you expect?

Ovie is going to win championship(S). I think it's silly to compare Ovie to Crosby right now, they are both so incredibly young. They both have thier entire careers ahead of them.

Talk to me 10-12 years from now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

as a Bruins fan, Milbury is continuing to make me sad he used to play for Boston. he obviously has it in for Ovechkin for some reason and it's just getting pathetic. even if i wasn't rooting for Ovie and the Caps, i would be just to shut Milbury the hell up.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | February 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Milbury and whoever invented bubble wrap should get the death penalty.

Posted by: playahatah | February 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Real hockey fans....the ones that stick around forever and are not just bandwagon fans for one player...are here because the love of hockey is bred in [their] souls."
-vahockeyfan

Sorry we aren't all 'real hockey fans'. Maybe those of us who only follow the sport from time to time just shouldn't bother, should just shut it off and leave it for you real fans. Y'know, that'll really help the sport grow a lot faster than if we were to give this particular Olympic competition more attention than we otherwise would, doing so only because our local star - DC's singular bright spot amongst a sea of sporting mediocrity - is in the thick of chasing down some gold.

Maybe NBC has a spot on their panel for you, you'd fit right in.

Posted by: cschetter | February 17, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

What are the odds that Milbury has pictures of Crybaby-Sid up all over his place so when he comes home and can pleasure himself while looking at his current favorite NHL player.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 17, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow. It's almost as if the NBC brass has told the hockey commentators to spout controversial opinions to stir the pot in hopes that more people will tune in.

Posted by: TheLeaver | February 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

You know, it's not so much me as Roenick... he's good.

Posted by: Matt_in_Austin | February 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton concerning where the Caps would be without Ovi

"McPhee's tenure is as inexorably linked to that lottery pick as anything could ever be."

Not disagreeing with you, but we would have drafted Malkin if we picked 2nd. That means we'd still be pretty darn good in my mind.

And I agree with those who said it before. Milbury is a d-bag and a half

Posted by: jmurray019 | February 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how much Milbury and others treat last year's Cup by the Pens as some kind of absolute proof that Crosby is the better player, as if both players were retiring tomorrow instead of both being under 25 and having years more to win Cups --and as if the team around the two players didn't have anything to do with winning the Cup as well. Bizarre.

Posted by: TheFingerman | February 17, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

he is making it sound like crosby won the cup himself...the penguins won the cup and it was the team that did it...the penguins were a better more complete team last year...

the caps are a better and somewhat more complete team this year than last...it takes a team effort...there are 20 guys that suit up for a game...not 1.

milbury is a homer and i have lost all respect for that guy...sounds like he is literally in love with the kid...

i hope the canadians go down hard to anyone but especially the ruskies...

Posted by: deadskin | February 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Not disagreeing with you, but we would have drafted Malkin if we picked 2nd. That means we'd still be pretty darn good in my mind."

It's funny, I was thinking about Malkin last night. If he left Pitt and went somewhere else I honestly don't think people would say anything up north. If Malkin was Canadian the world would be coming to an end.

Seriously.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"This proves that been a broadcaster and been smart do need to be in the same page

Posted by: cordobes17"

You might want to learn the difference between "being" and "been" before you question someone else's intelligence. Just a thought.

Go Ovie!

Posted by: impeachemall | February 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I hate Milbury. Keep pulling that "Sidney has won the Cup," since that's the only thing he has. Once Ovechkin wins it, what will he say then?

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

This is where hockey blends with professional wrestling - both are full of Canadians, mullets and jingoistic pundits.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Crosby is the SOLE reason why PIT won the cup. Fleury, Guerin, Talbot...etc.. had absolutely nothing to do with it. Sid did it all by himself.

Milbury is just a curmudgeon. He's so unprofessional and rude. No one should have any respect for this guy.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Milbury is an idiot. Roenick hit the nail on the head when he said Ovi brings him and other people out of their seats. Crosby does not do that. Crosby is a great hockey player, but he is a huge crybaby, this is fact. Ovechkin is not far and away better than Crosby, but HE IS BETTER, that is obvious. Ovechkin is ten times tougher than Crosby though. As far as rooting for Russia, if it is USA v Russia I will be rooting for the Americans, we all know that is not going to happen. If it is Canada, than I am rooting for the Russians. I don't want Crosby and his followers like Milbury to have any more fuel for their stupidity. Lets Go CAPS!!!

Posted by: DCFanatic | February 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

milbury said that crosby led the Pens to the Stanley Cup last year. He's wrong!!!

Did crosby win the Hart or the Pearson last year? Nope. He wasn't even nominated for MVP.

Did he win the scoring title? Did he win the Rocket Richard? No again.

So he must have done it in the playoffs then, right? He must have won the Conn Smythe, right? Sorry.

If anyone led the Pens to the Cup, it was Malkin. Malkin, not crosby!!!

Malkin should hate milbury just as much as Caps fans do after being slighted like that on national TV.

I don't like milbury or his man crush, crosby. I don't even capitalize their names when I write them.

Posted by: griz0615 | February 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKUTCXCGQTI

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 17, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Caps fans: Shoulder meet chip....you've got it big time. More than any other fans I know that seem to need to bring another player down to make theirs look good. Is that the best way you know to convince yourselves that Ovechkin is the best?

Posted by: vahockeyfan | February 17, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Milbury should move in with Crosby and Lemieux.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 17, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Milbury should move in with Crosby and Lemieux."

There's no room with all those Stanley Cups.

Posted by: RoachVA141 | February 17, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

A couple of observations, #1 Caps fans, stop being so defensive about Ovechkin. Milbury doesnt like the guy, big deal. Let it motivate you, not make you cry-baby whiners.
#2 all the Caps fans rooting for the Russians. Ovechkin has said publicly that it means more to win a gold medal than a Stanley Cup. And you are fine with that? Your organization is paying this guy to win Cups. His winning the gold medal does absolutely nothing for you as Caps fans. Those of you who say that isnt true..how will you feel if he wins the gold medal and doesnt win the Stanley Cup? and then bolts for the KHL in 2014 because the NHL won't let him play in the Olypics? Then what?

Posted by: wburn42167 | February 17, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

He won't "bolt for the KHL". Wishful thinking from a Poopsburgh fan.

Don't be stupid.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 17, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"He won't "bolt for the KHL"...Ok. Keep telling yourself that. He has said he would leave North America if the NHL doesnlt let him play in the 2014 games. Save one jersey to cry into when it happens.

Posted by: wburn42167 | February 17, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

You're right, he did say he'd leave North America...for two weeks. Dummy.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 17, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Evgeni Malkin more or less said the same thing.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 17, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

For the Caps fans, vahockeyfan is a Pens fan--he's been on other boards. And like Pens fans don't have a chip on their shoulder when someone says something bad about Crosby. Or even worse, when someone writes something good about Ovi, there's always a ton of Pens fans in the comments section blasting away at how bad Ovit and he's only concerned about himself, etc, etc., etc.

Vahockeyfan--pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: dfe1 | February 17, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

@wburn42167, Ovi has NEVER said that it would mean more to him to win the gold. He said they're different and they're both important. Right now, it's the Olympics, and then when that's over, it's back to winning the Cup.

Love how Pens fans come up with these lies.

Posted by: dfe1 | February 17, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

vahockeyfan: Caps fans are not bringing down Crosby to make Ovechkin look better. We already know that Ovi is better. You can't accuse caps fans of having a chip on their shoulder for standing up for their star player who has been bashed on national tv over and over again by Milbury.

Milbury, Cherry and all Canadians will never like Ovi simply because he is Russian. Seems like they are the ones who have a chip on their shoulder.

Posted by: washcaps55 | February 17, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

With all the entertainment shows and sports networks out there, are people still this ignorant about how things work?

When the Penguins were in 10th place and the Caps won 5-2 in Washington, do you not remember McGuire AND Milbury blasting Crosby and slobbering over Ovechkin? As far as comparing the two at the time, it wasn't even close. I bet Milbury was a Pulitzer winner to you people back then, and Craig Laughlin can probably cure cancer.

These guys flip flop constantly depending on who wins what and when. They have these "fights" on the air so guys like Steinberg can have something to write about to fuel hates on both sides. It works, cuz hey, here we are again.

I can play Devil's Advocate about Milbury being smart...until I hear people come out and claim Roenick has more insight than anyone else.

Roenick hasn't been relevant in years, and became the penultimate tool when his play started to decline and suddenly decided he couldn't get enough of the cameras. He's hated Crosby for a good long while now, calling him a whiner for having two of his teeth crosschecked out of his head by Hatcher in Philly. This of course coming from the same guy who openly took a hissy fit after being run over in an exhibition game when he played for L.A. God, speaking of never winning anything.

I'm a Penguin fan through and through, and depending on which day I see the two play, I can't even make up my own mind about who's "better". But it is kind of amusing that somehow looking like a kid who drank too much espresso after a goal is somehow a measure of how much better and more "passionate" one player is over another.

Posted by: CanadasBest | February 17, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The penultimate tool? Uh, do you know what "penultimate" means?

Posted by: LionelMandrake | February 17, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

CanadasBest, it's not so much that Milbury thinks Crosby is better. That's fine--a lot of people do. As you said, it's sometimes hard to tell even for you, and I'll say that as much fun as it is to talk about it now, we might not know until their finished with their careers who is better, if even then.

But why does he have to try to put Ovi down when he's complimenting Crosby? Why not say, well, Ovi's a great player, but right now, I like Crosby because of...
Why does he have to throw digs in? That's my complaint with him.

Posted by: dfe1 | February 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Lionel

Roenick's next to Milbury in toolism. What's the problem here?

Posted by: CanadasBest | February 17, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Also @CanadasBest, maybe Crosby is just as passionate--I'm sure he is. But he doesn't show it. You're probably one of those who likes it that way after your description of Ovi after a goal. And I'll counter with Ovi's enthusiasm on the ice is one of the best thing to happen to the NHL. I can't tell you how many CANADIAN kids have posted how they are in love with Ovi but their parents won't let them have a jersey because he's not Canadian.

Posted by: dfe1 | February 17, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay, now I understand you. I've just heard that misused a few times, and well it's a pet peeve of mine.

Posted by: LionelMandrake | February 17, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

dfe1, it's like CNN. One tool is on one side, the other tool is on the other, and they fight. I mean is anyone really surprised as to which side people are going to take?

If Roenick were asked first, it would have been perceived as a Crosby dig. I mean "How can you compare Crosby to Ovechkin?" I mean read that over and over again and explain how that's not way worse than anything Milbury said?

I mean people don't even look things up for God's sake, and they come on boards and argue facts they know nothing about. People argue about Milbury bashing the U.S. against Switzerland. Maybe he did it because let's face it, that was a sloppy game?

Do people not know that Milbury is American?

Posted by: CanadasBest | February 17, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I just don't get all the over-the-top hatred for Sid Crosby. I love watching Ovie and having him as the face and leader of the Caps. But I can also appreciate that Crosby fills that same role for the Penguins and their fans. Both are fantastic players that every country and franchise would want. Sid's Stanley Cup as a measure of his success vis a vis Alex is no different than the comparisons that used to be made between Chamberlain and Russell in the NBA or the questions raised about Jordan until the Bulls finally got it together with a supporting lineup. It's just way too early in their hockey careers to say antyhing definitive about what one Stanley Cup or Olympic championship represents about #'s 8 and 87. As for Milbury, he really confirms what an idiot he is every time he opens his mouth. At least Cherry knows he's just doing a schtick.

Posted by: McKinley2 | February 17, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm sure there are Pens fans out there who are upset with what JR said. This is a Caps-related article, so we're just expressing our displeasure with Milbury. As Steinberg pointed out, this is not the first time that he's said some really nasty things about the Caps.

Posted by: dfe1 | February 17, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Bill Guerin must be better than Ovechkin too, I mean, he won a Cup!!

Posted by: padre123 | February 17, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

dfe1

On the contrary. I think I'm more annoying than anyone when I score goals in my stupid garage leagues, but I DESPISE when it's used as some sort of measuring stick on who is a better player.

Ask any Penguin fan who's more entertaining and fun to watch, you'd be shocked by our answer.

Posted by: CanadasBest | February 17, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

It seemed to me that Milbury was being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative. Whatever Roenick was going to say he was going to ridicule.

If I were NBC brass, I would've pulled him off the air - permanently. Viewers deserve better. There's a fine line between being edgy and simply being a jerk. Milbury was totally unprofessional.

Posted by: turquhart | February 17, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people here don't care about facts, such as Milbury (and Roenick) being American, if it conflicts with their belief that everyone is out the get Ovie and the Caps.

Posted by: LionelMandrake | February 17, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

McKinley2 - agree 100%. Lionel, great handle. It's funny how a guy who ran up into the stands after fans prefers the 'workmanlike professional' to the exuberant beachcomber. Hey, it's fun to compare Sid and Ovi 'cuz they're both great - to watch, for their teams, the league, etc. They both deserve praise, each has his merits and it's fun to compare them ... but no need to bash one to praise the other. Milbury's just dopey. It's like saying DiMaggio was better than Ted Williams 'cuz Joe D had all the rings. Each of them is a HoF'r and each was great. Barring injury or Ovi bolting we will look back on these 2 the same way.

Posted by: dalves999 | February 17, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

@CanadasBest--fair enough. I've just seen enough Pens fans with their Ovi is such a showboat and egomaniac remarks--and quite frankly a lot of Canadian media people feel the same way and how it's not "the Canadian way" to act. All I'm saying is Ovi is bringing new people into the sport, which, despite what the "old school people" might feel, is necessary if the NHL wants to grow.

Posted by: dfe1 | February 17, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

turquart

Just remember back to the 5-2 game last year, when the Pens weren't even in the playoff race.

Milbury was using "unquestionably" and "indisputably" to describe Ovechkin as the best player in the world, and you know what? Why wouldn't he?

But as offended as people get, is anyone really going to argue how much more hate for Crosby there is out there than Ovechkin?

Posted by: CanadasBest | February 17, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Lest it go unnoticed, Roenick was one of the US players who reacted to getting beaten in Nagano 1998 by trashing their rooms...great job of representing his country there.

If you want to hear Roenick at his finest, find some video of his work for ESPN at the 2004 World Cup; god-awful doesn't even begin to describe it...no insight from a then-active player, no telling the fan what they didn't know...just boilerplate jingoism and getting mad because Canada beat the Americans in the tournament (noted pugilist Mario Lemieux dropping the mitts in the game).

Admittedly, a good day, Milbury is a mouth-breathing rube, but guess what- he's on NBC to be controversial, because...wait for it...the day afterward, his comments are all over blogs and your lot is all hot and bothered about it. Bingo. Just like when he does the gong show routine on CBC on HNIC, except there he's like the short bus kid that doesn't realise people are laughing at him and not with him.

If you actually listened to TSN when the do Washington games, you'd hear their announcers being total fanboys of Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green, etc. Pretty sure Messrs. Miller, Cuthbert, and McGuire have to change their pants every time Ovechkin pots a goal.

I'll point out for the record that when Sidney Crosby was playing major junior and people were lining up to polish his ring that Don Cherry was ripping him apart (the "golden boy" moniker was anything but a compliment- a moniker he uses on occasion when referring to Crosby) for being a hot dog and showing people up. This is the same Cherry that told one of his favourites (Jason Spezza of Ottawa) to "be like Ovechkin and just shoot the puck..." This, mind you, is the same Don Cherry who has made a number of on-air comments being critical of Hockey Canada for not having Mike Green (along with Steven Stamkos of Tampa) on the Olympic roster...but sure, keep telling yourself Cherry has it in for Washington.

I've watched a few NBC Olympic promos...they all feature a red-clad hockey player scoring a goal from 2006...surely that's Crosby, right? Nope...that'd be Ovechkin (unlike Crosby, Ovechkin played in the 2006 Olympics- Crosby was left off the Canadian roster), breaking Canadian hearts (mine) with an amazing goal in the quarterfinal that only he could create...I give Ovechkin credit- he was (and is) the goods and then some.

As to rankings, NHL Central Scouting (who does this thing for a living) has Crosby (who I'm not a huge fan of but do respect that he's a damn good player) ranked ahead of Ovechkin.

Posted by: jcurrin | February 17, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

dfe1

The showboat and egomaniac responses are the equivalent of the diver responses that others have.

There's not much to argue in their games, so hey, people need to find something to get mad about.

Posted by: CanadasBest | February 17, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Jcurrin -- That's one of the best postings I've ever seen on this blog. Don't be a stranger.

Posted by: LionelMandrake | February 17, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow I thought the anger at Milbury after the Penguins game was exaggerated, but after this it is clear that he is a true Ovechkin hater. He's going out of his way to not give him credit, or to never give Ovechkin a compliment without an equal Crosby compliment.

This cups thing is BS. Doesn't everyone on the Penguins have more Stanley Cups than Ovechkin? Is anyone gonna argue that the whole team is better than him?

Posted by: 202character | February 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

1) Crosby. Ovechkin. Both are incredible players. Until this season I would have said I would rather watch Ovechkin play but would pick Crosby to build a team around. I’m not so sure about that anymore seeing Ovie’s play this season as captain. And the “who has more Cups/Gold Medals” argument is a long way from being finished. Let’s revisit that in a decade because I have a feeling Ovechkin is going to end up on top.

2) As for Caps fans getting just as, if not more, excited to pull for Russia rather than the US at the Olympics: that is lame. I understand your best player is on the team but that means a whole lot less once they put on the national team uniform. I’ve been a Devils fan since 1984 and would take a bullet for Martin Brodeur if asked to. But I also remember jumping for joy in 1996 and 2002 whenever a Team USA forward put the puck past him in the World Cup and the Olympics. When Canada eventually won gold in 2002, I was of course happy for Brodeur but was crushed that the US had come so close only to lose in the end. (Weren’t we beating Canada 1-0 after the 1st period of the gold medal game?) I hope some of these pro-Russian sentiments will fade away should the US face off with Russia in an elimination game. “Miracle on Ice” isn’t just a catch phrase. It’s why many of us grew up playing and loving this game.

Posted by: Shadow9 | February 17, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"This cups thing is BS. Doesn't everyone on the Penguins have more Stanley Cups than Ovechkin? Is anyone gonna argue that the whole team is better than him?"

Yeah, good point. Where's Malkin in this argument?

Also, people tend to forget that Cindy was pretty much invisible during the Stanley Cup Finals. Zetterberg completely shut him down. If anyone deserves credit, it should be the team as a whole (and the officals, for letting a few things slide in Pittsburgh's favor)...not some otherworldly clutch play on Cindy's part...

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 17, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Crosby led his team to 10th place in the east through 4 months of the season last year...

Yea, he won the cup, but he was wiping bed pans and then won the lotto...

Posted by: SA-Town | February 17, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, wasn't Milbury replaced twice midseason in the NHL, managing the Islanders for making bogus trades for players who weren't worth their paycheck? How does ineptitude lead to an NHL analyst? How did the Islanders franchise let him back in? WHO THE HECK GAVE HIM A MIC??!!!
:-D

Posted by: domino21710 | February 18, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

roenick should have used the old cliche "there is no 'i' in team. sidney crosby didnt single handedly win the cup, therefore it is unfair to place that responsibility solely on ovechkin. not fair to him, or the other players on the washington capitals. when you look at the two players this season stat for stat, correct me if i am wrong, but it appears that ovechkin is the better man."

thank you and good day.

Posted by: rebelroyalty07 | February 18, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Milbury is a P.O.S.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 18, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

They are both extremely talented players however I can not stand Ovechkin. Crosby is a much harder worker,leader and he makes the players around him better. Crosby also knows how to act on and off the ice (not throwing himself into the glass after every goal even empty betters). Not to mention that Ovechkin has the most empty net goals in the NHL. Some call his type of play passion I call it ignorance and a lack of respect for the game. Sid is a much more composed individual. Sid rules!!!!! Let's go Pens!!!!

Posted by: Sandra872971 | February 18, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Shadow9: Fine, but you're mighty polite, so I'm happy to be civil about this: Where do you want that bullet?

Pulling for Russia over USA: Lame.

Pulling for anyone but Canada if USA is eliminated: Just fine.

Milbury: American who wants to be a Canadian. Lame.

Milbury, Roenick, and Cherry: Idiots paid to make noise.

Hating teams more than despicable players: Seriously, you hate the symbol of the Pens more than you dislike Crosby, Malkin, Letang? ORPIK? You hate a silly cartoon penguin more than you hate Brooks Freaking Orpik? Lame. Oh, wait. You're a Pens fan. Never mind.

Canada: No country is more deserving of trademark American condescension and arrogance. I got an idea: let's have an American hockey league and a Canadian one, both operating in a more-or-less free market (or with similar free-market-ish rules). Let's see who gets more big-time players. Who stands on guard for thee? My tax dollars. Shut up and be annexed. Except for the parts we don't like.

/canIbeonTV?

Posted by: Landru | February 18, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

On another note -- who long before Roenick gives Milbury a good forearm shiver for being such a wank? Roenick is a legetimate hockey great, a future hall-of-famer; Mike Milbury is a totally phail coach and gm, and was a middling player at best. How does Milbury get away with talking hockey, especially trying to act like a primadonna, know-it-all to Roenick?

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | February 18, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I for one think Milbury is awesome!!!!

I hope he returns to the NHL.....as GM for the Penguins :)

(Sarcasm!)

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | February 18, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Crosby definitely lead the Penguins to the Cup last year, thats why his name is on the Con Smyth award as playoffs MVP :)

Look, Crosby is a great player, but I agree with Roenick 100% If I had to pay to see any player in an NHL game, it would definitely be Ov. He brings you out of your seat any time he touches the puck.

I remember listening to a Caps pre-game program last year on the radio (I think it was before a Devils game in early November), one of the analysts said that they would pay $50 dollars to watch Semin just practice for a few hours before they would pay $50 to watch Crosby in a game (like how they even were talking about how Semin's style is more exciting to watch, basically).

I think that the last game that the Caps and Pens played said it all.....Crosby is a great player, and when left alone can do amazing things...he got two quick goals early in the game....but Ov (who was much better covered all game long), was able to finish up the game, and was there when the team needed him to lead them to victory.

There are a lot of factors leading up to why Pens went on in last years playoffs over the Caps, but head to head, I do not feel that it was because Crosby did anything more special than Ov.

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | February 18, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

If ANY player from the Pens deserves the credit for getting them past the Caps last year, it was Malkin, not Crosby. I totally agree that Crosby is a great player...but I'll take The Great 8.

Posted by: AtomicOvermind | February 18, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Yea, I'm a Pens fan, but I live in the DC area and see both fanbases pretty clearly. It seems to me that the Pens fans have a great deal of respect for Ovechkin but still hate him because he is their competitor. It's not personal. But with the Caps fans, it seems to be so much more personal when it comes to Ovechkin/Crosby. They can't argue for Ovechkin without some childish remark against Crosby. Read the above comments or any other from blogs about the Ovechkin/Crosby argument and try to deny it. The Pens fans here (except just one or two) show respect for Ovechkin. Caps fans here and on the rest of the internet resort to Crosby-bashing pretty consistently. Both are great players and deserve respect. I just can't stand the argument that Ovechkin is so much more "passionate" than Crosby and plays with so much more "heart". Do you have to wear it on your sleeve to be considered passionate? I don't think you can make it to the NHL, much less continue to stay there, unless you are passionate about the game.

Posted by: vahockeyfan | February 18, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Milbury is a serious D-bag. i don't understand the NBC mindset when it comes to keeping this guy on their already hideous hockey coverage. Between him and Pierre McGuire, why would any potential new fan ever want to watch the game? does anybody have info on how to complain to NBC about the D-bag Milbury?? A coordinated campaign needs to be orchestrated to run that guy off the air. seriously, given his histroy what does the guy know about the game?? a-hole

Posted by: doughless | February 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Milbury spent years driving the once-proud Islanders franchise into the dirt. He has absolutely zero credibility as a hockey analyst (and wasn't much of a player, either). For NBC (or any network) to hire such a juvenile, sophomoric, puerile commentator detracts from its reputation as well. It also damages the game, suggesting to casually clicking viewers that thhe sport is surrounded by a bunch of yahoos.

Posted by: jhershb | February 18, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Not to mention that Ovechkin has the most empty net goals in the NHL."

Yes, Sandra: a grand total of four. With something like three other guys tied for second with three each. What an ENG blowout!

Posted by: OvechkinFan92801 | February 18, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey Pittsburgh fan that has to resort to saying "OMG he is going to leave for KHL" cause that's all you got of Ovechkin. When Crosby moves out of his girlfriends house (Mario) then you can talk trash.

Ovechkin is clearly better than Crosby that's a fact. Stop being butthurt about it and accept it. Backstrom is better than Crosby too. Your best player is Malkin.

Cups and Gold medals are team stats. Those are the things you have to argue with when your player is clearly inferior to the other.

If you put Ovechkin on the Pens and take away Crosby the Pens are a much better team. That's a fact. Just get over it!

Posted by: Mike4169 | February 18, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

@vahockeyfan

Are you SURE that all Pens fans respect Ovi while we rabid, bandwagon, Caps fans all despise Crosby (note: I'm being sarcastic here).

Personally I don't post negative things about Crosby. I'm not a fan of his and I find him rather canned in his commentary but so what. Doesn't mean that I don't think he's a great player. Just that I prefer our unfiltered and refreshingly honest Ovi along with the rest of the Caps.

I do get tired of the constant Ovi negativity when I venture into the blog-sphere, and find many of the worst comments come from Pens fans--Captain Caveman for a mild example. It can be unrelenting. However, I have never gone onto a Pens message board to tell them how unreasonable they are in their lame commentary. I figure that of course I'm going to hear negative stuff on their fanbase boards and I expect Pens fans to have a big chip on their shoulder about who has the better player.

So no I don't think your fan base is any more rational than ours.

And you have made some pretty silly assumptions about how all Caps fans feel. Perhaps you should find a larger circle of friends who are Caps fans or develop a thicker skin.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Milbury is almost as good an analyst as he was an executive. I think the legue has banned him from ever leading another team, since they do like team to be competitive with one another.

I'll take Gary Thorne and J.R. on NBC over craptasitic duo of Doc and Milbury. NBC, for the love of god, give those two the Conan treatment.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | February 18, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

As for people that claim Crosby works harder that just ignorance. Ovechkin is considered one of the hardest working players in the league. He also defense himself. Unlike Crosby who cry's and whine's every time he is touched. That's not a hard working hockey player. That's a chump. Crosby is a spoiled brat that cannot even live on his own making millions.

Crosby wants everything handed to him he does not want to earn it. Ovechkin is a fun, laid back, awesome guy. Anyone that as met him understands that. Pitt fans are so angry over Ovechkin being clearly better than Crosby they have to follow Crosby's lead and cry about goal celebrations. What's wrong with personality? It's better than the super serious boring Crosby. Dude needs to remove something from his body. IF you know what I mean. If he ask's Mario nicely that is.

Posted by: Mike4169 | February 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

My post also serves to all you Pens fans who find it amusing to come onto a Caps message board to talk trash. Crosby deserves better fans than those who like to troll here.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I for one couldn't believe that Milbury couldn't find a little love for Backstrom last night. That was a sweet, sweet pass for the second goal. His line--the third line amazingly--was just great last night.

After first hearing his Crapitals comment during the playoff series with the Flyers I've come to expect negativity from Milbury but hey this was Sweden against Germany. Russia, Canada, Pittsburgh, nor DC had anything to do with the game last night. It really couldn't have hurt him to acknowledge Backstrom's play.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

vahockeyfan, here is what the Crosby-Ovechkin rivalry is about. You Pens fans keep trying to show that Crosby is better than Ovechkin, when all the evidence shows the exact opposite. In their 4+ seasons in the NHL, Crosby has been better for 1 season - 2006-7. Crosby's only advantages over Ovechkin are that he is a better passer and has a better backhand. Ovechkin is unquestionably a better shooter, a better hitter, a better skater, a better stickhandler, faster, and can turn a game around with a single hit or shot.

Don't get me wrong, Crosby is a very good player - but he will always be limited more by how good his teammates are than Ovechkin will be. So far, the only factual argument I have heard from a Pens fan to show Crosby is better is "He won a Stanley Cup". And even that shows nothing, for two reason. First, the PENS won the Cup, not Crosby - secondary scoring is what beat the Caps. Second, Crosby fell apart in the Finals, and only Malkin's incredible play kept the Pens in.

Posted by: timmyv38 | February 18, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"My post also serves to all you Pens fans who find it amusing to come onto a Caps message board to talk trash. Crosby deserves better fans than those who like to troll here." - Capsyoungguns

This isn't a Caps message board. As a Pens fan, I wouldn't go on the Capitals Insider or whatever and post, but as a Pens fan living in the DC area, I think I have a right to post my opinion, especially if Dan Steinberg chooses to post something about one of the Pens players to fuel the fire.

Posted by: RoachVA141 | February 18, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

@RoachVA141

Well yes you are right in that this is a Capitals-centric, Capitals Insider blog. So let me amend my first post to state that I ALSO do not comment on Pittsburgh's papers online to state how unreasonable their fan base is toward our franchise player Ovi. I expect to hear negativity if I'm on a Pens-centric board of any type and refrain from being disrespectful toward Crosby. It's a useless exercise. THAT was my point.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

And I agree with you that I take the media stuff with a big grain of salt--they love to create controversy and I've read that many Pens fans feel that JR is biased toward their team.

Don't know the veracity of that belief but I do find the Milbury/JR exchanges tiresome. Last night should have had NOTHING to do with Crosby or Ovi. Yet somehow they always get worked into the dialogue.

I happen to also be a huge Backstrom fan and think that Sweden could surprise everyone.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't recall the details, but Milbury sounded like a tool last night when discussing Backstrom and the Swedes as well. Roenick was much better, still outspoken, but not as much of a tool as Milbury.

Posted by: theshawn | February 18, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

He said Pittsburgh fan trolls not Pittsburgh fans. People that come over here and bash on our players are trolls trying to rain on the parade of a clearly better hockey player then Crosby.

Posted by: Mike4169 | February 18, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

@Capsyoungguns

I understand your point, but like I said, I'm a Pens and Steelers fan living in DC, and have lived here most of my life. So obviously I'm going to look at the Washington Post, because it's my local paper.

And another thing. Steinberg puts these blog posts about Ovechkin/Crosby up because he wants not only Caps fans, but also Pens fans in the area to come on and comment because it gets more hits for him. Truthfully, if he didn't post every comment a talking head makes about Ovechkin vs. Crosby, then you wouldn't see Pens fans commenting.

Posted by: RoachVA141 | February 18, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Why, if you lived here your entire life, are you a Pens/Steelers fan?

Posted by: Mike4169 | February 18, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

@capsyoungguns

Ovechkin deserves better fans than guys who boo crosby for no reason, and will get into physical fights because you wear black and gold. Why can't both fans respect other talent? These players are not the same at all, but both are great.

It's ridiculous to me when I go to the Verizon center and people want to fight me because I'm a fan of the pens. The verizon center fan's are slowly working their way towards being compared to Eagles fans. They're gonna end up having to turn the green turtle into a jail.

As for Milbury, he's the absolute worst. He has no business being on TV talking about the NHL, and this just shows it again. Wasn't this coverage for the Olympics, why is he even talking about Stanley Cups and NHL playoffs. If he even wanted to start the whole leadership thing, he should have just said "let's wait and see who's wearing a gold medal at the end of this".

Posted by: vitsy | February 18, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I understand that there are a lot of Pens fans who live in the area and just read my last post about my take on the media involvement. I might add I've read far worse by columnists on some of the Pittsburgh papers so I don't this is a particularly egregious piece.

But you are wrong about local Pens fans trolls coming onto WaPost. You may not be one of them--but they are many and frequent and tiresome. They love to post trash talk, not just here but also on the main Capitals Insider blog, and elsewhere. I personally have very little respect for such trolls.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

@vitsy

Good grief--not from us at the phonebooth. I have had drunk Pens fans wearing blue #87 jerseys sitting behind us yelling curse words and spilling beer on my 9-year old. But I don't accuse all Pens fans of being ignorant and worthless and bandwagon fans and just wanting to fight--etc. etc. You are too broad in your assumptions.

You and other Pens fans are NOT going to find support for Crosby and Pittsburgh on a Capitals-centric board. You may find a variety of opinions but we are Caps fans first and foremost. So I ask why are you here taking offense?

With that I must get back to work. Enjoy your thin skin!

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I took you're Crosby deserves better fans quote as in general, not just trolls, and found that hilarious with my experience with caps fans. It's crazy that 3 years ago you could go to a hockey game in DC and half the seats were empty, and the majority of those who were there seemed to not really care. Now, you go there, and you have 60 year old guys throwing beer at you, and dudes trying to fight cause of your jersey. I'm not one to shy away from a good hockey argument, but I now avoid Caps/Pens games at VC because the majority of fans that Ovechkin has brought to the DC area know very little about hockey, at least that's my experience. It's just ashame that moron's like Milbury (which this whole post is about, and therefore why I'm here) fuel this fire. And there's a whole new generation of hockey fans that are learning the game from this guy. So people get on this Team Ovechkin or Team Crosby argument, and although there's more fans, it ruins games for people that enjoy HOCKEY.

The last thing I expect is for you or any caps fan to buy a crosby jersey. I just wish the fans I've encountered in the DC area that are new to the sport would actually learn about the game, rather than turn every little thing into a Crosby/Ovechkin b**chfest.

Posted by: vitsy | February 18, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Why, if you lived here your entire life, are you a Pens/Steelers fan?"

I was born a fan of Pittsburgh sports, why would I change that based on where I live?

If you moved to Philly would you start rooting for the Flyers?

Posted by: RoachVA141 | February 18, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

It's not possible for Milbury to talk about anything at these Olympics without throwing in a Crosby mention. Talking Team Russia? Crosby. Milbury's a tool. And while I never liked JR before, I certainly do now. I'm waiting for JR to tell Milbury what an idiot he is. I can see him seething while Milbury's talking, he won't be able to hold back for much longer.

Posted by: farmgirl19C | February 18, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

@vitsy

Well I wish you would read my post more carefully. There are enough ignorant fans/trolls of BOTH teams to make saner fans of either team tear out their hair. And I am tired of the Ovi vs. Crosby debate--IMHO it isn't even a debate anymore. Ovi is the best.

But you seem to have blown some experience at Verizon out of proportion. The games between our teams are great. Our family wears our red Knubles, Backstrom, and Ovechkin jerseys with pride and ignore the drunk Pens fan rubes that may be behind us. I tell my son to ignore their trash talk and bad behavior. If someone is trying to fight with you, what are earth are you saying to them to want to engage. It takes more than a Pen jersey. It takes two to fight.

And BTW we have also had some absolutely great Pens fans sit behind us and we've had great conversations about our respective teams and franchise stars.

The rivalry is why I love going to Caps Pens games--this is where I find the most pertinent commonality between Ovi and Crosby, because I otherwise find that they are different players with different positions and different skill sets. But each brings out the very best play in the other.

We love great hockey! And we love the Caps and Ovi!

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

On a slightly different subject, Milbury got prissy when JR was commenting on how good a playmaker Backstrom is. I guess Milbury hates all Caps. And all Caps fans hate him right back.

Posted by: farmgirl19C | February 18, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

@farmgirl19C

Of course, in doing so, Milbury went on and on about how great Ovechkin was and that he would score tons of goals with or without Backstrom. (Which is probably true.) Just sayin', you shouldn't take anything Milbury says seriously.

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 18, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

@farmgirl19C

That is why I followed the link here. I was really surprised to find such negative commentary by Milbury about Backstrom during a Sweden/Germany game. He is a great playmaker and that second goal couldn't have happened without his ability to make that pass. And Milbury couldn't give him any credit at all. Backstrom's line was so effective in that game. I joked that he was trying to play his way onto the second line, tho' that line showed some serious chemistry. Having the Sedins together on the first line makes a lot of sense for Team Sweden.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but Milbury's so-called compliments always have a stinger. It did not come across as complementary of Ovi at all. I got the impression that Milbury and JR seriously don't like each other. But I don't really know if that's true. Milbury is building quite an anti-Caps rap sheet and I have to admit I'm baffled by it. Good play should elicit praise and that goal was a great play by all three players, but IMO especially Backstrom.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | February 18, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

They are both extremely talented players however I can not stand Ovechkin. Crosby is a much harder worker,leader and he makes the players around him better. Crosby also knows how to act on and off the ice (not throwing himself into the glass after every goal even empty betters). Not to mention that Ovechkin has the most empty net goals in the NHL. Some call his type of play passion I call it ignorance and a lack of respect for the game. Sid is a much more composed individual. Sid rules!!!!! Let's go Pens!!!!

Posted by: Sandra872971 | February 18, 2010

@ Sandra872971: This is why Pittsburgh smells like pee. Would love to see what you would think of me if I punched you in the crotch or pulled your sweater over your head and started wailing on you with my fists. Doubt you'd be praising me as much as you praised Sidney. And I'm sorry too, that Sidney isn't going to marry you. Maybe shaving your upper lip might help?

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | February 18, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Some thoughts on the Ovechkin vs. Crosby debate:
1.) The sides in this debate would be exactly opposite if Pittsburgh had won the lottery in 2004 and Washington had won the “Crosby Lottery”.
2.) It takes me back to the late 80’s – early 90’s debates over whether Gretzky or Lemieux was the better player, or even a few years later to Jagr - Lindros. In all three instances the debate is over whether one of two players is better, but those players play very different styles of hockey. Statistics is one valid way to compare players. But, as in the 80’s and 90’s, do stats tell the whole story? Gretzky had the records and the Cups, but was he a better *individual* player than Lemieux? Penguin fans and French Canadians said “no”; Edmonton fans and English-speaking Canadians – as well as casual fans – said “yes”. How many times did Gretzky skate through three or four opposing players then deke the goalie out of his skates? Mario did it quite often; he also literally carried a defender down the ice on his back while scoring a highlight reel goal on at least one occasion. I never saw Gretz do that. Gretzky was passing to Jari Kurri and Mark Messier; Lemieux to Warren Young and Doug Shedden. (And let it be noted, Mario turned Young into a 49-goal scorer.) Would Mario have equaled The Great One’s records and Cup wins with better health and more skilled teammates? We’ll never know. Which one was the “better” player? Does it matter? They were both great fun to watch.
3.)So,was it fun to boo Gretzky when he came to town? Sure. Did I (or other Pens’ fans) call him juvenile names? No (at least no one I knew). And I knew very few people who would say they literally hated Gretzky *personally*. (I mean, seriously, we didn't even know him.)

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts on Ovie vs. Sid, continued:
4.) As for the present, Crosby has a few records and a Cup and Ovechkin has a few more records and no Cup (yet). But does it really matter which one is “better”? No; not to me, anyway. I’m not a *huge* Ovie fan, but I admit if he were on my favorite team, I would be. He’s a great player and fun to watch. Bottom line, most fans like to think “their” player is better, but as long as your team wins and you enjoy watching them play, does it really matter? (Frankly, I prefer my *team* to be better than any other, not any individual player(s).)
5.) As for Crosby “winning the Cup by himself”, he’s the team captain. Rightly or wrongly, captains get credit for “leading” their team to the championship, or conversely, get blamed for their team’s failure to win. Did Steve Yzerman or Mark Messier really will their teams to championships? Who knows; we don’t know how much or what kind of “leadership” went on in the dressing room(s). But they’re both widely acclaimed as great leaders. Same goes for Crosby; we don’t know what he did or didn’t do or say in the locker room in last year’s playoffs. Also: No, Crosby didn't win the Cup alone, but neither has Ovechkin carried the Caps to the top of the standings by himself (uh, Alexander Semin, Nicklas Backstrom, Mike Green, anyone?).
6.) Who really cares what Mike Milbury OR Jeremy Roenick says? (Or Don Cherry, for that matter.)

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 18, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Stanley Cups are so important to Milbury - they define the best players - they define leadership so how many does "Mad Mike" have on his resume????? NONE

Posted by: dfort2004 | February 18, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

At what point does an alleged "bandwagon fan" come to be considered a regular Capitals fan? It appears that new fans are stuck with the negative label of "bandwagon fan" until some unseen force of nature determines you're officially just a "regular hockey fan". It's like being guilty until proven innocent. I've been following hockey for a little over a year and based on the comments I read from the Pens fans who think the Capitals fan base will fade over time, I'm still considered a "bandwagon fan". Until when, though? It's like waiting for my "Official Ice Hockey Fan" membership card, which hasn't arrived yet and until then, I can't hang out with the "Official Ice Hockey Fan" crowds? Totally bogus. As for Pens fans and their passionate plea for everyone to leave Sidney Crosby alone, it's okay, we get it. He doesn't deserve the negative comments about him. It's not a crime to be as dull and boring as he is. =) Go Caps! Go Team Russia! Go Team USA! Go Team Sweden! Go Team Czechoslovakia! *whew*

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | February 18, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Crosby did a bang-up job "leading" the Penguins during the first half of last season. Cool. Makes sense. They didn't really need a new coach or the rental players. All they needed was to follow Crosby's lead? I'm surprised then that a lot more players weren't hit in the nuts. Hmm.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | February 18, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

@LeftCoastCapsFan

This isn't meant to be snarky, I'm seriously trying to answer your question, so hear me out. You say you've been following hockey for a little over a year? Well, that seems to coincide with the Caps' rise in the standings. I think to shed the "bandwagon" label - to most longtime fans, not just Pens' fans - you'd have to still be a passionate Caps fan during and after several down years, whenever they may come. Or, say the unthinkable happened and the Caps traded Ovechkin - hey, it can happen; the Oilers traded Gretzky! You would have to show that you were just as passionate a fan *after* the trade as you were before.

Believe me, many Penguins fans went through the same thing in the mid-to-late 80's, after the team drafted Lemieux. Whether fair or not, that's the perception among hockey fans when one becomes a fan following the acquisition of a star player or during a Cup run.

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 18, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Capsyoungguns,
LeftCoastCapsFan is the EXACT person I've been talking about. Why would you want to punch someone cause they like Sid, just makes you sound ignorant and juvenille.

Posted by: vitsy | February 18, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Ovi and SC are both great stars and the majority of each teams' fans will naturally say their player is better. Both sets of fans are in awe of the other player. Let their careers show it - no different than the other "Great One" and "Pens #66". Mario was Super he is clearly #2 although everyone said he would be better than WG when he first came out. Yes his cancer hurt his career but he came back but would not have amounted to more than what WG did "for the game" and "in the game". Yes there are many new hockey fans in DC due to Ovi but that is a good thing for the sport and it takes time for newcomers to really understand a sport and what makes players/teams "good" so give them a break. All these people saying Caps fans would rather see Russia win Gold than the US are wrong. Most people root for their country first and then the players they cheer during the regular season - I just hope Canada loses = Russia is my hope and then Sweden as seeing them win back to back would be humorous....just don't need doorknobs like Milbury saying how Crosby has 1 Cup and 1 Gold and Ovi none...

Posted by: cpkali | February 18, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoastCaps = glad you're a new fan. Don't be ashamed that the #1 hockey player energized you into the sport. That is what great players do, create idiots to say you are a "bandwagon" fan. I was a big hockey fan in the 80's and 90's (even though the Caps were not always good), then fell off my interest some, and came back to hockey hard when the new crop of stars came in like Ovi and yes even Sid.

Posted by: cpkali | February 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

It's an interesting comparison, between Ovi and Crosby, something to get the juices going.

But really? The Cup? Yes, it is very important but the Cup that Crosby has - and rightly so - is a one-game win over Ovi and the Caps. That's it Milbury...one game. This isn't some debate about a 8th or 9th place Caps team and a dominant Pens team - one game. If game 7 goes our way last season then Milbury would have no talking points...and that doesn't even imply that the Caps would have won the Cup. One game. If that is Milbury's sole source of support then he shouldn't be doing analysis.

Posted by: saintex | February 18, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

@saintex: You have a point. Up to a point. Yes, it was just one game, but it was the most important game of the season up to that point. And Pittsburgh didn't win on a fluke goal. They blew the Capitals out of their own building. (Not that I think that has any bearing on who's the better player, mind you.)

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 18, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

vitsy, Caps fans booing Crosby every time he touches the puck is thanks to Pens fans - who started doing that to Ovechkin well before the Caps fans started doing it to Crosby. And it is definitely wrong for Caps fans to be abusing you because you're a Pens fan - but that is far from representative of Caps fans. A majority of Caps fans are very knowledgable about hockey, and have been watching since well before Crosby and Ovechkin were around. What you said about Caps fans is just as applicable to Pens fans. I have debated with many who don't even know the basics of hockey, and are only fans because of Crosby.

Posted by: timmyv38 | February 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Mario was Super he is clearly #2..."

cpkali: But that's exactly my point. In terms of *pure* hockey skill, *was* Lemieux "clearly" Number 2? He had amazing skills. What he didn't have was amazing teammates or amazing health. (For the record, he had more health problems than just cancer. He also had chronic back problems that resulted in at least one surgery; two hip surgeries and, finally, a heart ailment.) He also played a big chunk of his career in the Clutch-and-Grab/Trap Era.

And, to be fair, there are old-timers - especially in Boston - that think Bobby Orr was better than either Lemieux *or* Gretzky. :)

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 18, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Penguins fans are annoying people.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 18, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Capitals fans are illiterate morons.

See, I can do that, too. But, really, what's the point?

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 18, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of all the whining, and all the jockying, on the part of the Capitals fans to make something out of nothing. Pittsburgh Pirates fans of the early 1990s know what I'm talking about. We don't look back and brag about having had 2/3/4 of the greatest players in basbell in Bonds/Bonilla/Van Slyke. We don't brag, because they never won the big one - which, as it turns out, is the ultimate goal in each respective sport. Many teams, and many players, will play well throughout a given season, but at the end of the year, all are losers except for one team. In my experience, it is not Pens fans making comparisons between Crosby and Ovechkin. We don't need to. They are both great players. What sets them apart is that Crosby has led his team to greatness; Ovi is still trying to do that. So caps fans: make yourselves feel good and proud about having a so-called best player, and for beating the pens in the regular season a few times...But we all know the truth about how 7 of the 8 previous post-season match-ups have turned out between the Pens and the Caps...and in a few of those occasions, you've gone to play golf only to watch us come home with the Cup. I'll listen to your banter if you can actually show up in the playoffs, when it counts. In the meantime, have fun being the best, and having the best, and having zero stanley cups.

Posted by: PghNation | February 18, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how much Milbury and others treat last year's Cup by the Pens as some kind of absolute proof that Crosby is the better player, as if both players were retiring tomorrow instead of both being under 25 and having years more to win Cups --and as if the team around the two players didn't have anything to do with winning the Cup as well. Bizarre.

Posted by: TheFingerman | February 17, 2010 10:41 AM


Yes, this is also why Yankee fans can be so insufferable: Every time the Yanks win a title, for the subsequent 5 years (even if those years are marked by losing seasons), we hear endless diatribes from Yankee fans about how the Yanks are "The best team that ever was OR EVER WILL BE." (empahsis mine).

By the same token, we Caps' fans find it monumentally annoying that Pens' fans (and Milbury) use the fact that the Caps have yet to win a Stanley Cup as "proof" that "the Pens are better, have always been better, and always will be"...

It's eerily resonant with Yankee fans' obnoxious statements to the effect that Perennial Yankee Dominance is part of God's Natural Order...

Um, no. Else why bother playing 82(NHL)/162(MLB) regular season games? Because NOBODY knows who's the best team that season until that season is OVER!

That said, I fervently hope and pray that the Caps will get the Pittsburgh monkey off their collective backs once and for all, and win the first of several Ovi-era Stanley Cups...starting this season.

Hats off to JR...I only wish he'd had this kind of respect for the Caps and their fan base when he was looking to leave Phoenix.

Posted by: Rhino40 | February 18, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

All of the Pens fans, please get a life and stop trolling Washington sports websites. No one wants to hear about the Steelers or Pirates or Penguins here. No one cares what you think.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 18, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"In the meantime, have fun being the best, and having the best, and having zero stanley cups."

Have fun with all the fat, ugly chicks up there in Poopsburgh.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 18, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Here's what this Pens fan thinks Hatfield: You're an idiot.

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I never followed hockey. Heard about this guy named Gretzky. Heard about this guy named Lemieux. Heard about Disney and their expansion team the Mighty Ducks. Didn't care for it. That fluke game I bought tickets to with the Capitals against the Canucks was just something different to do on a fairly regular visit to the DC area. By coincidence, it's when there was this big deal being made of Ovechkin, whose jersey was the most prominent near the Verizon Center.

@ vitsy: For the record, I watched the last game at Verizon Center against the Penguins and I assure you I didn't go up to each and every Penguins fan wanting to punch them. In your case, I'll make the exception and kick the bejeezus out of you for just being plain stupid. The Penguins' fans have every right to think their team is the better team, just like I have every right to think so little of Mr. Crosby given the youtube videos of him nutpunching another player. I don't think on any plane of reality would another guy nutpunching another guy would warrant any amount of praise or hero-worship but please, if a person wants to praise that person and wish that they could be that person, then I won't take that away from them. I may think they're wrong but hey, that's my opinion and I'm entitled to that. And see here, it's a Capitals-centric posting. I can say my piece about other teams, other players, individuals who make it their purpose in life to disrespect my team and I'm entitled to it. It's on a Caps-centric board. If I were to do it on another teams board and raked over the coals for it, I'm not going to be all indignant and think they're stupid for upholding their opinions that I'm wrong. That's stupid. That's futile. That's like going into a minefield, stepping on a mine, and then blaming someone else for it.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | February 18, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey LeftToast,

What does the start of the season have to do with anything? I suppose Boudreau coming in had NOTHING to do with the Caps turnaround. Or have you not been watching for that long?

Besides who cares about how you started, it's how you finish. They would have been last in the conference if it wasn't for Crosby, much less tenth.

As for rental players? LOL you make it sound like we picked up Kovalchuk and Nash. We got 38 year old Bill Guerin and 3rd line banger Chris Kunitz. I love them both, but you can have them both if you want.

As for the playoffs...I mean for God's sakes do you guys actually watch games? Penguins don't even make it past the Caps if it weren't for Crosby, and I'm sure you at least watched your own series.

Babcock was obsessed with shutting down Crosby and it wasn't just Zetterberg, but one of the greatest D-men in history in Lidstrom. How many shots on goal did Ovechkin have against Detroit at Verizon?
Crosby still managed a game winning goal and an assist on Gonchar's game winning goal.

I get hating someone, even being obsessed, but Jesus Christ at least pretend you watch some of the games before commenting.


Posted by: CanadasBest | February 18, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Have fun with all the fat, ugly chicks up there in Poopsburgh. "

I love when Caps fans stoop to this. I don't live in Pittsburgh, I enjoy the fine view here in Washington (although, you should check out the Southside on a Friday night, there's some pretty nice scenery as well). That said, none of this negates the fact that the Caps can't beat the Pens in the playoffs, and you haven't won a cup.

"By the same token, we Caps' fans find it monumentally annoying that Pens' fans (and Milbury) use the fact that the Caps have yet to win a Stanley Cup as "proof" that "the Pens are better, have always been better, and always will be"..."

The point of the sport is to win. The Pens win when it counts. The caps do not. Teams are defined by their ability to do so. Again, Pens fans don't care if Crosby is better than Ovechkin.

Ever since Joe Gibbs left (the first time), Washington sports have been in shambles. Your teams, and your owners, and your fans, are preoccupied with the Bright Shiny Object (Haynesworth, Jagr, Jordan...the list goes on and on, in every one of your sports). You buy everbody else's trash (and yes, Jagr was Pittsburgh's trash). Your teams cannot recruit, and you don't build a solid foundation---in your teams or in your fans. Pittsburgh has an everlasting sports foundation. That is why Pittsburgh's teams are so much more successful than Washington Sports teams.

Again, I grew up a Pittsburgh fan, but have lived in Washington my whole life. In that time, I've seen 2 superbowl wins and 3 Stanley Cups. Washington championships...?

Go Ovechkin! You're Number 1 Buddy! Congratulations! Congratulations to Washington!!!!!!! Congratulations to Caps fans! You guys are the greatest!!!!! You're focused on the wrong thing!!!! And Pittsburgh will keep winning while you're distracted!!!

Posted by: PghNation | February 18, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@LeftCoastCapsFan

Just wanted to make clear, I have no problem with new fans. I've never liked the term "bandwagon"; everyone's got to start somewhere and if it takes a once-in-a-lifetime player or a championship run to get someone hooked, well, what's wrong with that?

As for the "nut-punching", as you put it, I didn't see that game, but it's silly to focus on one incident in a player's career (unless it's a Todd Bertuzzi - Steve Moore-type thing) that happens in the heat of the moment. (Besides, it's not like the guy wasn't wearing a cup.) :) I could say the same thing about emulating a player (Ovechkin) who's had three kneeing incidents since the second round of last year's playoffs.

And as for your minefield comment, shouldn't civilized people be able to have a conversation about sports without throwing insults around? (And that goes for both sides.)

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 18, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"Go Ovechkin! You're Number 1 Buddy! Congratulations! Congratulations to Washington!!!!!!! Congratulations to Caps fans! You guys are the greatest!!!!! You're focused on the wrong thing!!!! And Pittsburgh will keep winning while you're distracted!!!"

@PghNation -- The Caps fans may not get your point unless you include some sirens, airhorns and cowbells.

Posted by: RoachVA141 | February 18, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

So when is Cindy finally going to move out of Mario's house? It's been weird for awhile now. I can't imagine even Penguins fans would see this as normal and/or acceptable arrangements.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 18, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand the appeal of fans of one team going onto another team's boards to post negative things. It all reminds me somehow of high school, a time I'm surprised anyone wants to relive.

Are some of us Caps fans irrational and take things to heart? Well, yeah- but you'll be hard pressed to find fans of a team that aren't. It's all part of that "we're a part of the team" mentality and we take things personally. It's part of the fun.

Do the Caps have a lot of newbie fans? Sure. So? I've been a fan of the Caps for 15 years, and I still get giddy when I convert a new person into a fan. Make the family bigger and spread the love- we all have to start sometime.

As for rooting for Russia over the US- no offense, but who cares? With the exception of Miller, I don't really like anyone on Team USA. I grew up all around, so have no particular ties to a country. I'm personally rooting for Slovakia.

And Crosby is a great player, but he's a Pen and therefore evil =) Doesn't matter if the man saves puppies in his spare time. The jersey he wears ensures I will not like him. Although I always had a fondness for Joey Mullen (Just like I thought Hextall was hilarious on Philly).

Posted by: Serenity68 | February 18, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

NEPensfan has some of the most well thought out posts I've seen. I actually enjoyed reading them, as they didn't simply consist of "Pens RULE and Caps SUCK!"

I am well used to the Caps vs Pens debate. My older brother has rooted for Pittsburgh based teams his whole life (and we never lived in PA). We still argue about Gretzky vs Lemieux for fun, as I was a huge #99 fan.

Posted by: Serenity68 | February 18, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Hatfield, living in a millionaire's giant mansion that has a giant mansion as a "guest" house isn't like your meth dealer crashing on your couch in your 1 bedroom apt. above the bowling alley.

Posted by: CanadasBest | February 18, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"What sets them apart is that Crosby has led his team to greatness; Ovi is still trying to do that."

PghNation, maybe you should have watched the Finals. Crosby didn't lead the Pens in anything, except for whining and throwing temper tantrums. MALKIN led them to the Cup. Sure, Crosby did well in the first 3 rounds (he almost had as many points as Ovechkin in that series), but he totally choked when it came time for him to step up and lead his team in the last round. 1 goal, 2 assists.. in 7 games. Great leadership there.

Posted by: timmyv38 | February 18, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

@Serenity68

It's usually a thankless task trying to bring logic and civility to these types of discussions, so thanks for the kind words. = ]

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 19, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

I see the slums opened up and all of the Crysby sniffers showed up. This is the WASHINGTON Post. We like the Caps and loathe Crysby. In other words, go back to your shanty.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | February 19, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Randy,

Last I checked, this was the WASHINGTON POST, a NATIONAL newspaper, so why don't you crawl back in your little hole and be quiet. If you don't like dissenting opinions, don't go on the internet. (You know, the WORLD WIDE web.)

Posted by: NEPensfan | February 19, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

@ timmyv38: So, Crosby had an off series and Malkin picked up the slack last year. Reverse was true a year before when the Pens lost in the Stanely Cup finals, and Crosby was skating well whilst Malkin was in a slump. And slumps are going to happen to the best of them (especially when they're constantly double-teamed), including to Ovechkin. No player should be judged by one play, one game, one series...

The point you caps fans miss time and time again in counting how great ovechkin is: it's a team sport, and he is just ONE great player. He hasn't proven he has the leadership skills to carry a team through the playoffs and into a cup. And so far, he is proving that he can't get it done for mother russia either!

And my prediction is that Ovechkin will self destruct. I've been to his practices at the Kettler Complex in Ballston, where he throws tantrums after missing a goal, throws his stick down the ice after missing an easy shot, etc. And I watched the Olympics last night, with both Sid and Ovechkin missing in their respective shootouts. The difference last night? Crosby didn't self-destruct, he remained poised, he came back and scored to win the game. This mirrors his play in general. He's calm, he's collected, and he's a leader. Ovechkin is a powerhouse for sure. But what comes with him is a reckless attidude. When he's on top, he's amazing. When things are on the down and out, are you going to be able to count on him? Last night against the Slovaks, he had a nice shootout goal. He couldn't even put the puck on the net on the second shot. And he got rattled. And he self-destructed, just like i've seen him in his practices. And they lost.

Posted by: PghNation | February 19, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

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