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Gary Williams and Jim Calhoun, again


(By Jonathan Newton - TWP)


Gary Williams and Jim Calhoun probably aren't the best of friends. Remember this moment from Eric Prisbell's lengthy interview with Williams last year:

EP: [Rudy Gay] told me he grew up loving Maryland and he celebrated the national title.

GW: Well, then why didn't he come here? We offered him a scholarship. If all that is true, why didn't he come here? What logic am I missing here? In other words, if he wanted to come here, and we recruited him and we offered him a scholarship, why didn't he come here? It had to be for another reason, right?

So maybe there are a few bad feelings because of the Gay recruitment, which have been pretty well documented. But apparently there are also bad feelings dating much further back. Check out this nugget from Williams's recent three-part interview with ACCSports.com:

ACCSports.com: Was it true, we heard five or 10 years ago, that you went to anger management classes?

Williams: No! Never did. That's not even close. Who would ever say that, besides Jim Calhoun?

He said that one time, when we were recruiting Donyell Marshall. It was in Reading, Pa., which is pretty close to Maryland. Jim Calhoun told people I was in anger management. Him, of all people, who has to leave not just this time, but many times during his career he's had to come out for the second half of games, or miss games, where other coaches don't do that. Anger management? Jim Calhoun? Who's a bigger candidate, me or him?

Zoinks. At least the implication didn't appear to make Williams angry. You'll recall that CBS Sports's Gregg Doyel fired off a few shots at Williams's demeanor during an appearance this week on the LaVar and Dukes show.

"Unless he's got crazy talent that can overcome him being a maniac on the sideline, of course they're gonna choke. And you know why that is? 'Cause their coach chokes 40 minutes a game. You ask your players, 'Hey, calm down, settle down, relax, don't choke.' Meanwhile, the coach is a raving lunatic, eyes rolling back in his head."

Williams also answered similar charges in his ACCSports.com interview, when asked about the "he's gonna have a heart attack" refrain:

Everybody says that. They said that about me when I was at American U., '78, my first year. They said you're going to have a heart attack. But there's been a lot of guys I've coached against that sit there, clap, go like this (rolls an imaginary program), then they have stomach operations or whatever. Personality, you can't be somebody else. And players know that, too. Whatever you are, you are. I'm far from perfect, I understand that, but I'm not going to be somebody I'm not.

And bless him for that. There's an incredible photo library of Gary Williams not being someone he isn't. Anyhow, having a heart attack is about genetics and diet and exercise a lot more than sideline histrionics, from the way I understand it, which is why I'm probably at greater risk even if I never yell at Dino Gregory.

There are also great moments in the first part of the interview, including stories of Williams balling with Earl Monroe.

(Via D1scourse.)

By Dan Steinberg  |  March 18, 2010; 10:30 AM ET
Categories:  College Basketball , Terps  
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Comments

I think anyone who has ever watched a UMD game can conclusively say that Gary Williams in fact has *never* taken anger management classes.

I think that's something we can all agree on :)

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 18, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Seriously. What is it with The Post, Prisbell and Yada (or whatever his name is) and Gary? OK, we'll accept that Georgetown and anybody named Thompson is the favorite, but come on. Did you see the story about how MD had the "lowest' graduation rate, but you had to read into it to see that it was by one definition, that definition being old data. And then when Gary reacted, they pretty much mocked him. Gary can coach; Gary can win and Gary doesn't suck up to the Post or their writers. That's why we love him.

Posted by: bethesdaguy | March 18, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

TERPS program has come a long way from the year with NO TELEVISION. Thanks to the hard work of Gary Williams. One of the Top 10 NCAA B'ball programs of 2000's. I have given him a hard time as any of (almost) 4 NIT in 5 years. Recovery last year now means 3 NCAA births in last 4 years swinging the momentum back on track.

LET'S GO TERPS!!

Posted by: terpcentral1 | March 18, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Comments by Gregg Doyel of CBS are out of line. WTF is this guy thinking? Yanda and Prisbell have shown their ineptitude time and again, but this hatchet job by Doyel should land him in some trouble. Obviously, Greg Doyel has never coached anything, ever. If he had, he would respect Gary Williams, like the rest of the world does. Bobby Knight sounds like a genius when he describes jounalists as trash, especially these half wit newspapaer/online hacks.

Posted by: reindeerterp | March 18, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I agree with reindeerterp. Gregg Doyle's current position with CBS Sports is further proof of the "Peter Principle" at work. And shame on WaPo for propagating Doyle's arrogant, ignorant and venomous rants.

Gary Williams has proven time and time again that he gets the most out of his players.

Posted by: capecodterpfan | March 18, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Interesting thoughts.

BTW, fellow terps, put down the Yanda and Prisbell haterade. They wrote a dang fine set of articles on a program that was sturggling, last season. Give it a rest already, the horse is dead and gone.

Posted by: EricS2 | March 18, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

GW is a drunk, period...a worthless drunk driving fool.

Posted by: SofaKingCool2009 | March 18, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Doyle is a grade A moron. Very few coaches are as good as Gary is in adjusting to game conditions and during halftime. How many times were we down at halftime and either won it or came back and took it to the wire. Clemson, NC State, GT in the tourney. We won a lot of those close games down the stretch due in large part to Gary.

Posted by: cao091402 | March 18, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Calhoun is as dirty as any. He paid Rudy Gay's AAU coach $25,000 to put together an exhibition team to play UConn in Gay's freshman year.

I still remember Gary with a post game TV interview after a close win over some exhibition team with a bunch of former pros. When he was asked why the game was so close he said, "Well we could just pay someone 25 grand to put together some last minute squad that we could roll just so we could get money to a recruits coach...."

Posted by: lavar609 | March 18, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

You've spent a lot of time in this piece on Doyle and Calhoun, trying to paint a picture of Gary Williams as a loud-mouthed bad guy.

But I see nothing here from any of his former players. NOTHING!

Greg Doyle is a hack, and Calhoun -- if he said what he is reported to have said -- is a world-class slug.

Why don't you track down Walt Williams, and ask him and at least a half dozen other present and former Terps what they think of Gary?

To write this blather just because you're on deadline and brain-dead, is a cop-out and a disgrace.

Posted by: loulor | March 18, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

um, let's see....Greg Doyle has a mohawk?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
what a silly looking fool of a man.

Posted by: sanderling5 | March 18, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Gary>>>Calhoun

I'm first and foremost a Terp, but am also a UConn and G'town fan, and while Gary gets, um, "excited" during his games Calhoun just get plain angry and pissed off. Plus Calhoun only has one more National Title than Gary.

Posted by: TheMarylander | March 18, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Gary Williams = Moe the Bartender from the Simpsons.

Posted by: SadieV | March 18, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"You've spent a lot of time in this piece on Doyle and Calhoun, trying to paint a picture of Gary Williams as a loud-mouthed bad guy."

Really?

Do you Terps fans listen to yourself, or even read the article?

Jeebus. Steinz is playing you guys like fiddles, this is hilarious.

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 18, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Calhoun is a dirtbag, just watch his press conferences anytime someone asks a tough question. Albert Mouring was dying to go to Maryland. His HS coach in Caroline County and Lefty Driesell both tried hard to help him but his grades and test scores were so low he didn't qualify to get into any schools that recruited him. But, presto, he suddenly he somehow got into Connecticut.

Posted by: wmchil | March 18, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I want to know what Bob Huggins thinks about this.

Posted by: WrongDog | March 18, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

No doubt Calhoun is a dirtbag, but come on, Terps fans. Any time you miss on a recruit it is the same old song - his grades weren't good enough! there was something underhanded at play!

That is right up there with blaming the refs....

Posted by: funkey | March 18, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

SofaKingCool-

You've never met Gary and he is so far above your level he couldn't even see you. Such a pathetic hack you are

Posted by: S2DU | March 18, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"One of the Top 10 NCAA B'ball programs of 2000's. I have given him a hard time as any of (almost) 4 NIT in 5 years. Recovery last year now means 3 NCAA births in last 4 years swinging the momentum back on track."

Whoa...let's not go overboard. One of the top 10 NCAA programs on the decade? How can you say that with a straight face and then mention the NIT string?

Posted by: VamosUnited | March 18, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Gary Williams is a legitimate hero in the great state of Mayland. In my mind, the UM head coach job is his as long as he wants it.

Posted by: shanks1 | March 18, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

GoooooseFraaaabaaahhh

Posted by: Redskins76 | March 18, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Pretty lame blog Dan Steinberg...you cite interviews that happened ages ago. And a guy makes disparaging remarks when trying to draw attention to himself on a local radio show? Are you just trying to stir up controversy? Last time I checked, Gary was named ACC Coach of the year. Calhoun's team lost in the NIT. Checkmate. Stop writing about stupid stuff

Posted by: durango66 | March 18, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Calhoun's team lost in the NIT."

They did? Then it's weird that My Hokies are playing them on Monday.

Someone should tell the NIT guys about this.

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 18, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

@ VTDuffman

Usually I think these comment sections are worthless (cause of all the bickering), but that first one had me seriously rolling with laughter. thank you.

Posted by: bentoenail | March 18, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

but I think that all of your other comments sucked.

Posted by: bentoenail | March 18, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Lot to get to here, so let's start from the top. I remember Gregg Doyel about a decade ago trashing Gary Williams and the Terps. He is a former Carolina reporter who has nothing but contempt for Gary and MD. I remember making him eat his words when he claimed the Terps would get rolled by Kansas (this was about a month before Kansas got rolled by MD in the final four). He has an agenda against Gary/MD and always has, but now that he's with CBS Sportsline he gets away with it easier.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Whoa...let's not go overboard. One of the top 10 NCAA programs on the decade? How can you say that with a straight face and then mention the NIT string?

Posted by: VamosUnited | March 18, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Calling MD "one of the top 10 NCAA programs of the decade" is going "overboard"? How can YOU say that with a straight face?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2862455

Here's espn's breakdown of best teams of the past decade, it has MD ranked 9th.

http://sansmorality.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/best-college-basketball-program-of-this-decade-2000-2009/

Here's someone else's breakdown of the decade. It has MD ranked the 8th best program of the 2000s.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/222628-college-basketballs-top-25-of-the-last-decade#page/21

Oh look, here's another breakdown of best programs of the decade. This one has MD ranked 7th.

In summary, you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I've met Gary, and he was so much more engaged and polite than a nobody schlub like me deserved from him. In my few interactions with the man, I've been taken aback by the dipsarity between the man I met and the man I see during the game.

And really, I just don't get the bitterness over the three-part series about Gary and MD recruiting. It was an accurate piece, and Gary was actually portrayed favorably as a guy who doesn't want to play the AAU recruiting game. I don't know about you, but I want a guy with that kind of integrity running my basketball program.

Now if they can just get a few players to graduate.

Posted by: JohninMpls | March 18, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I have forgiven Yanda and Prisbell for the 3 part hit piece on Gary and MD program, but JohnInMpls let's not pretend that the piece was "accurate" and "accurately portrayed" Gary. Just look at the facts. There were several themes in the series, two of the biggest were that no National Champion had fallen harder and faster in the last 17 years than MD. The other theme was that Gary has been "ignoring the backyard."

First off, the graph the series used titled "Ignoring the Backyard" listed all the All Mets of recent years and where they ended up. The authors went out of their way to delete names of former All Mets that went to MD.

-Sean Mosley was the Baltimore Player of the Year last year and Gatorade Player of the state of Maryland. Is Baltimore no longer in Maryland??

-Andrian Bowie was an All Met.

-Greivis Vasquez and Eric Hayes were both All Mets.

Gus Gilchrist was an All Met.

Dave Neal, hard as it may be to believe, was an All Met.

James Gist was a great high school player at Good Counsel and 2-time All ACC pick who wound up drafted by the Spurs.

John Gilchrist was one of the best PGs ever to come out of the state of Virginia.

Travis Garrison was a McDonalds All American coming out of Dematha.

Chris McCray was a 2-time All Met.

Steve Francis, who went to Montgomery Blair, was one of the best players in the country.

Juan Dixon and Lonnie Baxter weren't highly touted but both were local. And both were 3-time All ACC players.

Keith Booth was a top flight recruit out of Baltimore (again, is Baltimore not local?)

Joe Smith was local and was good enough to become the first player picked in the NBA draft.

That's just to name a few...But yeah, Gary never gets guys from the Washington area. Never.

The other theme that MD has fallen faster than any other national champ was maybe even more ludicrous. MD isn't even in the top 5 of teams falling the hardest/fastest since winning a championship in the last 17 years. It was a preposterous claim that the authors made repeatedly throughout the series.

Lastly, Prisbell/Yanda were trying to have it both ways. Gary is a bad recruiter for not getting so and so...but he's also a bad recruiter for going after so and so. He's either one or the other, he can't be both. Gary seemed to pick up on this contradiction in Prisbell's questions which he posted on the Terrapin Insider at the time.

Anyhow, enough about the series...it's in the past and the writers have been nothing but objective covering the Terps ever since.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Now if they can just get a few players to graduate.

Posted by: JohninMpls | March 18, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

MD's graduating all 4 of its seniors this year and 10 of the last 12. But honestly, I could not care less if the players graduate in 4 years when so many of them are playing professionally and making a fortune either here or abroad.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"MD isn't even in the top 5 of teams falling the hardest/fastest since winning a championship in the last 17 years."

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How do you figure? What facts did Yanda and Prisbell use to back up their assertion vs. the facts you have to disagree?

This is a genuine question, I am genuinely interested.

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 18, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"The authors went out of their way to delete names of former All Mets that went to MD."

Which of the All-Mets that you listed did the authors go out of their way to delete?

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 18, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

After the NC we went to sweet sixteen and lost a close game to Mich State, next year won ACC Championship and lost in the second round.
Hmmm, Florida just lost their first game in the NCAA tournament since they won it, 3 YEARS AGO!!! They were the last team in, this year. So um, there is a school who has fallen harder and faster.

Posted by: bmdugan | March 18, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

VTduffman, I posted a long response to your exact question on the terp insider last year, I'll look for it and repost it when i find it. There were a number of teams that not only missed the ncaa within a couple years of the national championship, but missed the NIT altogether (something MD has never been in any danger of missing in the last 17 years under Gary). Also a number of former champs had LOSING records, something else MD has never been in any danger of under Gary.

I'll find my longer answer in a bit

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Where are all you Gtown fans at that attacked me on this blog all season long whenever I suggested Gtown was grossly overrrated? Where you at????

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

If Gtown makes it to the Elite 8 I will be stunned. I'd be mildly surprised if they made the Sweet 16. You can quote me on that.

For the Hoyas sake...I'm just glad Rutgers, South Florida, and Old Dominion are not in their bracket.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 17, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Things that make you go hmmm...

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey Barno1 - have you ever watched basketball? And I do mean ever.

Posted by: spf1 | March 17, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Um, yeah, I watch a little. Do you?

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Barno, your argument about the hoyas vs the terps doesnt have much legs.

Posted by: jpfterps | February 23, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Hah

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Barno you clearly don't watch college basketball so please stop commenting on it.

Posted by: paranoya | February 23, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

My God Barno, even by the standards of internet trolls you are an incredible imbecile.

There's no "fascination" with Georgetown. They have some very good wins and some bad losses - though no losses as bad as Maryland's home loss to W&M, which has been proven to be pretty weak in the CAA this year. They are talented enough to go deep into the tourney, and inconsistent enough to lose early as well. In any case, their resume is much, much, much better than Maryland's at this point, and if you don't see that, then you're simply dim.

Why not enjoy that instead of letting your jealousy of the Georgetown program shine through?

Posted by: thediesel | February 23, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Maryland's resume is so far inferior to Georgetown's at this point. Only a fool or an ignoramus (or both) would not admit to that.

Posted by: thediesel | February 23, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

All this discussion makes me laugh. Georgetown has had one heck of a year with a brutal loss to Rutgers, who they likely overlooked. Everyone has a bad game or two. They are clearly the best team in the area for a host of reasons.

Meanwhile...Terps fans are doing what they normally do this time of year - hyping up their conference, but minimizing the fact they they play a cupcake schedule year in and year out. Trust me, Gary didnt schedule W&M because he thought they were a tough opponent - they were horrible last year (they finished 10th in the CAA). Luckily for you, the NCAA is thin this year, so you'll get to slide in and we won't have to hear any whining about how you got hosed again.

Posted by: EShine | February 24, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"Hmmm, Florida just lost their first game in the NCAA tournament since they won it, 3 YEARS AGO!!! They were the last team in, this year. So um, there is a school who has fallen harder and faster."

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To be fair, you are describing how things played out after Florida's *Second* National Championship. So, after Florida won the National Championship they...won the national championship.

I'd have to imagine that if Gary won B2B NCs, even the hatiest of haters would have given him more of a break for the perceived decline of the program.

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 18, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

That's a fair enough point VT. But you have to also consider MD was very, very close to winning back to back national championships but had a habbit of choking against Duke back in those days. Remember, Terps had a 22 point lead against Duke in the final four and had biggest collapse in final four history in 2001. Earlier that same season, Md had a 12 point lead with 80 seconds left and a 10 point lead with 52 seconds left against Duke, at home, and then suffered the biggest last minute collapse in ncaa division I history. Both against Duke. But most Terps fans believe we'd have beaten Arenas and AZ in the 2001 national championship had we not choked vs Duke, which would've given us back to back titles.

Anyhow, who's Florida comments were you quoting? That wasn't me.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"MD isn't even in the top 5 of teams falling the hardest/fastest since winning a championship in the last 17 years."

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How do you figure? What facts did Yanda and Prisbell use to back up their assertion vs. the facts you have to disagree?

This is a genuine question, I am genuinely interested.

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 18, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

here you go VT:

The Post's claim that no team has fallen further after winning a championship since the early 90s was INCREDIBLY misleading and some might say dishonest. Look at the numbers.

Florida's bball program is a joke right now only 2 years removed from winning the title, they were in danger of missing the tourney for the 3rd straight year IMMEDIATELY following the nat'l title (has MD missed the tourney 3 straight years? no)

Connecticut missed not only the NCAA tourney several times, but the NIT as well! (MD has never been in danger of missing the NIT).

Arkansas completely fell apart. They've had multiple LOSING seasons since winning the title (MD has never been in danger of having a losing season under Gary in the last 17 years, not even close).

UNLV collapsed altogether. Their program isn't even a shell of what it once was.

North Carolina went 8-20 in 2002, and 15-17 a year later. 20 losses and 17 losses in back to back years? That's falling a hell of a lot further than MD ever "fell." And how about this year? They currently have 16 losses...and came dangerously close to missing the NIT. This, the year after winning the title. The year after MD won the title, they were in the sweet 16 and one bucket away from the Elite 8. And don't talk about how UNC lost a bunch of stars to the NBA. That MD squad lost 4 players to the pros, 3 of which were drafted including a lottery pick as a soph in Wilcox.

The fact is MD has had at least 19 wins in 15 consecutive years. They have not suffered some kind of historic collapse as a program after their national championship, as the Post series claimed.

Time to keep things in perspective here.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 18, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Where are all the Gtown fans? Big differenece between All Met and McDonalds All American. How many McD All Americans are on Gtowns roster?

MD and Gary have won with Burger King All Americans. Case closed.

Posted by: linhtwu | March 19, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

What bellow the belt comments by many. Gary is a competitor as a coach just like he was as a player. Maryland fans should be proud of the team he has created over the years. I am out west and am lucky to get coverage of Terps games. Maryland will be competitive in the ACC every year-I remember North Carolina dominated the league up until garyland came to town.

Posted by: lyleh | March 19, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Gary Williams is an extraordinarily lazy recruiter and that's why recruits go elsewhere. More top talent leaves Maryland than anywhere else. Rudy Gay is just the tip of the iceberg. Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, Jeff Green are just a few NBA guys; there are a handful more who have been good college players elsewhere.

Gary Williams never even got a sniff at Maryland's best b-ball players after he won a national championship.

Posted by: CoachSweaty | March 19, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

posted by Barno1:

MD's graduating all 4 of its seniors this year and 10 of the last 12.

I hear you, but for every reader of the WaPo who enjoys trashing Gary Williams and Maryland, it won't matter. They'll now want to know exact GPA's, fields of major study, how many Nobel Prize winners Gary's graduated and how many of Gary's players are now saving the world, baby seals, bluefin tuna, etc.

Maryland could graduate every player, and those who don't like Williams will do their best to find something wrong.

Posted by: sanderling5 | March 19, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Gary Williams is an extraordinarily lazy recruiter and that's why recruits go elsewhere. More top talent leaves Maryland than anywhere else. Rudy Gay is just the tip of the iceberg. Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, Jeff Green are just a few NBA guys; there are a handful more who have been good college players elsewhere.

Gary Williams never even got a sniff at Maryland's best b-ball players after he won a national championship.

Posted by: CoachSweaty | March 19, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Gary is an extraordinarily lazy recruiter? Do you hate Gary, or are you just extraordinarily stupid? Sean Mosley was the Baltimore player of the year in 2007/08. Vasquez, out of Montrose Christian in Rockville, was just named ACC Player of the Year. Rockville and Baltimore are in the state of Maryland aren't they?

But honestly, who gives a crap where the recruits come from? Only recruiting geeks care. Should Gary have not recruited Jordan Williams because he came from Connecticut? Should we have not have brought DJ Strawberry to MD because he was from Cali?

The bottom line is Gary has had top 25 recruiting classes in 7 of the last 10 years, including 2 top 5 classes. The ONLY 3 years in which he didn't have a top 25 recruiting class were the 3 years in which he had only 1 player coming in (Gist in 2004, Neal in 2005, Mosley in 2008).

I seem to recall the recruiting geeks complaining about a few afterthought recruits named Juan Dixon, Lonnie Baxter, and Joe Smith. They weren't top tier enough for them. My memory is a little hazy, how did those guys turn out?

Posted by: Barno1 | March 20, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

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