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Hall says Shanahan-Haynesworth standoff "hurt us"



Look, the headline above can't really do justice to everything DeAngelo Hall said in his appearance on ESPN 980's The Sports Fix on Friday. Kevin Sheehan was talking about how the continued fascination with Haynesworth is not a media-created story, but has developed from real, tangible events. He asked Hall if this was fair. Hall's long, and pretty fascinating, response follows. Also, LaRon Landry tweeted the above photo from the Welcome Home Luncheon, featuring Albert Haynesworth's elbow pads. So, is it fair?

"Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fair. It's fair. Is it right? You know, neither here nor there about it. I think it was a little clash of the titans. You have your high-profile player in Albert Haynesworth. Obviously I think everybody knows he didn't perform up to the standard we needed him to play at last year. I don't think he played in a single NFC East game. It might have been one. So we definitely need him for that dominance in those games.

"That's when you have the Giants, that's when you have the Eagles, that's when you have the Cowboys, those guys that are gonna beat you up and try to pound you. That's why we brought him in here, to face those kind of opponents. So we definitely missed him and we needed him in those kind of games. So did he play [below] the level we wanted him to play last year? Yeah, no doubt about it. I'll tell him that to his face, and I've told him that before....

"As a player, to be given that ultimatum when he got here for training camp to pass the test or you're not gonna practice, I'm not gonna be sweating too hard about passing that test. I'm just gonna be real with you. It's hot, it's training camp, it's two-a-days. I want the easiest path possible. I want to play in games, I don't want to go out there and practice.

"And so for him to be given that kind of scenario or choice, it wasn't a hard one. It wasn't a hard one for him. I don't think it's a hard one for 80 guys in that locker room, no matter what they might tell you personally. They're not gonna want to go out there and practice, that's just the gist of it. I think he should have had to run the test and still practice with us. At the end of the day, all that did was hurt us, because we need him out there, and he's gonna be out there.

"All that's behind him, he finally passed the test, he's out there, he gets banged up, he gets hurt, it just is what it is. Malcolm Kelly's been out nursing his hamstring for three weeks, his misdiagnosed hamstring. They thought it was one thing, he ended up finally getting a second opinion three weeks later, and we find out it was something a heck of a lot worse than they ever thought it was. So we're here babying Malcolm, saying he's a baby, he's a baby, get out there and play, when he has a Grade II strain and they're around here saying it's a Grade I and there ain't nothing wrong with him.

"So it is what it is. It's football. You're gonna have to push through some of it."

Later, asked if he was criticizing Shanahan's approach, Hall praised the new coach effusively, and talked about how flexible and understanding he's been. At which point the subject changed to the new defense under Jim Haslett, and Hall was equally fascinating.

"I think it's a mindset," he said. "Whenever you have a new coordinator, you have to kind of conform to the way they want things done, their mindset, their approach. Coach Haz is a aggressive kind of guy, play balls to the wall, you make a mistake? Oh well, this is football, they get paid too kind of guy.

"I felt like last year with Greg Blache - who we loved to death - he was more let's not let the big play happen. If it does happen, he's pulling guys out of the game, it was the end of the world. Where Haz is like hell, these guys get paid too, oh well, let's make play. And that's what you've got to have. Guys are gonna make plays in this league.

"With Carlos, he struggled a little bit last week for the simple fact that one week he'd be starting, right before the game they might tell him he's not starting. It was crazy, it was crazy, the way they had him and Smoot rotating, bringing in Tryon sometimes to play some of the nickel. It wasn't a lot of certainty.

"When Haz came in, the first thing he said was 'Los, your'e my guy. You're my guy. I don't care if you get beat, you're still lining up the next play, go make a play. To have a coach have that confidence in you as a player, especially as a cornerback, you need that. You need that.

"And we stay on LaRon so much, but we had him out of place. When S-Dot [Sean Taylor] passed away, we had to kind of fill a hole, and LaRon's game suffered for that, but he sacrificed for the team. He's a guy who loves to go bang and hit people, and he was a Pro Bowl alternate doing it, and then you go put him in another position that he has to start from scratch and learn. He's still a young guy. He's been tossed in the fire since day 1 but he's still a young guy."

By Dan Steinberg  |  August 20, 2010; 3:49 PM ET
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Comments

Hall needs to just shut up and play football. It's Shanahan's team to discipline and unite not his. I'm getting very sick of his big mouth.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | August 20, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I would agree with most of Dhall23s observations.

BUT HE NEEDS TO NOT TALK as if he was around for the Sean Taylor days. Acting as though he was part of the defensive backfield during those horrible times. Respect the man but don't say we.

Posted by: stujackson3 | August 20, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Sounds pretty articulate to me. He's honest about everyone not wanting to practice (see "Mr. Brett Favre" for reference and we don't label him lazy). Man, I don't want to do the hard stuff at work, either ... but I do it because 1) it's the right thing to do; 2) they pay me to do it; and 3) other dudes rely on me. I don't always like it, but a paycheck like Albert's sure would take the sting off ....

Posted by: garrena1 | August 20, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

He makes about as much sense as Joe Theismann at his giddiest! Y'know - all teeth and hair....

Posted by: pharrrrtt | August 20, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

PRACTICE!!!! WE TALKIN ABOUT PRACTICE...NOT A GAME...BUT PRACTICE!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | August 21, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

"PRACTICE!!!! WE TALKIN ABOUT PRACTICE...NOT A GAME...BUT PRACTICE!!!"
How many time have you heard a coach say the way you PRACTICE is the way you PLAY? Shirk off in practice and you'll do it in games because it becomes your mindset.

Posted by: bullwinkle1 | August 21, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall throws back the sheets -- veeeeery interesting.

I see Haz's defense giving up a lot of big plays, but also making many of their own -- also reasonable to expect more points from the offense under either McNabb or friggin Grossman.

McNabb>Grossman>Campbell

Stands a good chance of being more entertaining than anything we've seen in years, but can we envision a run in the playoffs?

I'd be happy with a 6-10 season...

provided all these wins were against NFC East rivals and chances are...

if we're good enough to win consistently in our own division, we'd be good enough to beat any other team from any other division, either at home or on the road... but if the 2009 Redskins proved anything at all, they proved we're not very good at home, or on the road...

especially against NFC East teams:

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Week one we open the season with a loss in New York.

Week seven we lose to Eagles at home.

Week eleven we lose to the Cowboys in their new stadium.

The next week, we lose to the Eagles on the road.

Week fifteen we lose to the Giants at home, followed by a final loss in our division to Dallas in week sixteen, also at home...

leaving us a combined 0-6 against our interdivisional rivals.

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A suggestion:

Save Albert Not My Money's Worth for NFC East games alone.

Have him ride a stationary bike in between these games -- keep his balky knees well lubricated.

Feed him grapes.

Play him again in the first round of the playoffs and for any other games that may follow. Run him into the ground for any and each of these games.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 21, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Man I dont want to get up in the morning. I want to keep it real and tell my boss to stuff it. I want to tell my boss how to do his job. Dude, why do I have to ask for the sale? Hey Bro, I'm in jail why do I have to pick up this trash? I'm just a cop why do I have to break up this robbery? Im a fireman, why do I have to save this child from a burning building. Im a soldier why do I have to go to war?
I'm a football player making 31 million dollars this year, why do I have to practice?
If I can get out of it the other guys will look up to me, aren't I cool?
Shanahan have Fat Albert the chance to get the fans back on his side by covering for his sorriness. Fat Albert dont take the money if the job is too hard for you.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | August 22, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

If Hall is telling Albert these things to his face why is he still being such a slacker? Maybe the whole team could have an intervention with him to lay it on the line and then ditch him for whatever if he doesn't get in line. With a coach like Shanahan, Albert has to practice or he wouldn't play. Maybe the Skins could give him to Brad Childress. He seems to be able to put up with a lot from Favre.

I love what 1bmffwb had to say about Haynesworth's lack of effort.

Posted by: smrboxwell | August 22, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

It doesnt matter what happened last year...Your wasting time talking about it. And why are we talking about Campbell, go to the Raiders site for that...He's gone. And if Hall wants to talk, he can talk, if you dont want him to, then go shut him up. And your right garrena, nobody says anything about Favre not in OTA's or camp, but the Vikes allow it, so no problem. Theisman can be giddy all he wants, he was a great player for us, he earned his ring, so live with it. And we all know(Or should) preseason doesnt mean a whole lot, except to the coaches evaluating guys on the bubble and some guys trying out for other teams, but it is good to see mistakes that happen and LEARN from them. The skins will know what they have by the Packer game. We will have done played the Boys, the NEW Iggles, a great Texans offense, and a supposedly doormat team in the Rams,(not in that order) with the Super Bowl favorite Pack looming. Get gellin, get the kinks out, and lets get the Haynesworth issue settled. We are not solid yet on defense. We dont have the perfect players for a 3-4, so we dont want issues in the locker room, much less on media soundbites. Fix it Shanny and Haz or its going to be a long season against some high powered offenses. Rodgers, Schaub, Manning, Romo, Favre, Cutler, Stafford, Manning Jr, Kolb, Young, so we need PRESSURE...Hail Skins....

Posted by: tbowden5 | August 22, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

To all you saying Hall needs to shut-up-YOU can go to hell for all I care.

He's a grown-a/z/z/ man and can say what he wants. Redskin fans kill me telling players to shut-up-You shut up.

What are you punks mad because Hall doesn't tow the company line. He's illustrating how players get bad reputations. Kelly is "shutting up" like you morons suggest and guess what-he's quickly earning a bad reputation for not being on the field.

Hall is pointing out how the team is throwing Kelly under the bus by saying he has a sore hamstring-even WR coach-Keenan McCardell joined the dumb Amen chorus.

Now we find out the kid has a more serious injury. Hmmmn not to be too racial, but painting the players in a bad light appears to be what white fans love. I bet most of you who are super-negative to the players and take the coaches side on everything are white. I'll bet you are.

Tell the truth-that's why D.Hall should just shut-up right? You whites may not want to admit it, but you all seriously see the SPORT of FOOTBALL as a stand-in for slavery-you truly do. The "triggers" should just shut-up and let the white coach throw them under the bus, embellish his reputation at their expense and black men like D.Hall should just "shut-up" lest they threaten to upset the status quo.
After all in the minds of white fans, someone like Hall should be GRATEFUL to be playing-though like anyone else coming out college in any profession HE EARNED HIS WAY INTO HIS JOB. But not to you whites,nooooo every player should play the role of 'happy slave' to appease your ideas of racial superiority right.
I applaud D.Hall for telling it like it is. More black players should do the same. As I wrote on another story, if AH had bothered to articulate his side of the story before last night and keep at it-he would be so much better off(well, at least with the black fans). Now we find out that AH not practicing was more serious than just a headache,but the PR damage is done-Shanahan said it was a headache-the complicit media reported as it such and the white fans, of course, took Shanahan's/Management's side.

Black players-hell,ALL players should realize that timidity and letting the Teams/Coaches carry the story is suicide to their reputations.

After all, the coaches and teams have 2 advantages, a complicit media and army of sycophant white fans ready to see every episode and issue their way and condemn the player(s).

You all should be happy, D.Hall is letting us fans in on the REAL NFL team politics. It's insight that's sorely needed by the white fans, so that you all can see how everything is not the fault of the players.

White fans wear white-colored glasses-the whites can do no wrong and the blacks can do no right.
Many of you were on here talking about Kelly's last chance on that McCardell story last week.

Do you see how the Redskins are making him look bad/in jeopardy of not making the team in your eyes by not disclosing the true severity of that hamstring inju

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 22, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

blah blah blah. I'm not white and I think he should stop talking.

Posted by: jimwest20 | August 27, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

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