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Whitlock, Feinstein have at the Redskins

If it's late September, that means a few things:

* The preseason Wizards are getting more D.C. media coverage than the preseason Capitals. (Five Post staffers at Midnight Madness!)

* I'm spending 37 percent of my weekly caloric intake on Dogfish Head Punkin Chunkin.

* The Phillies are clinching a division title in a game against the Nats.

* National pundits are lobbing stink bombs in the general direction of Ashburn.

Two examples already this week, starring Jason Whitlock and John Feinstein. First Whitlock:

Warden Daniel Snyder has nearly as many bodies on his jacket as Al Davis, but Snyder has somehow avoided the assassin reputation....

We can agree now the Washington Redskins are a horrendous mess, as bad as any team in the league. Losing by two touchdowns to the St. Louis Rams removes all the false shine from Washington's lucky season-opening victory over the Cowboys, doesn't it?

The Redskins are a bad, bad team, playing in a decent division and led by an owner who never met an overvalued free agent he wouldn't lavish with a ridiculous contract. Andy Reid knew exactly what he was doing sentencing McNabb to the Redskins. Philly fans are going to get two up-close looks at McNabb leading a terrible squad

So if I'm reading him correctly, he's bullish on Washingotn's future, right? I'll give Whitlock credit: he also blasted the Redskins after week 1, when it was a bit more treacherous to do so. But if he thinks they're going to finish with one of the four worst records in the NFL, I'd certainly be happy to make a wager.

Now Feinstein:

There is gloom again in the Snyder-ville. Do I sound a bit giddy? You bet. I've said it before and I've said it again: Dan Snyder can't lose enough.....

There is a unique sense of entitlement that surrounds the Redskins; that players seem to think they're special and fans always think the Redskins simply SHOULD be good because they're the Redskins.

That's been true since George Allen took over in Washington but it has gotten worse since Snyder bought the team 11 years ago. We're talking about a guy who sends out invitations to sit in his box for a FOOTBALL game that look like they're for a royal wedding.

Dang, I want one of those invitations. My chances would probably be better if I stopped linking to Whitlock and Feinstein.

By Dan Steinberg  | September 28, 2010; 11:33 AM ET
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Whitlock is normally great, but we obviously disagree on this. Feinstein is normally a complete and utter buffoon when it comes to any subject outside of Navy or mid major D1 basketball. Feinstein has always had a grudge against the Redskins. I remember him complaining about the Redskins tribute to Sean Taylor on the 1-year anniversary of his death, and I remember Feinstein taking the WaPo to task for labeling Taylor's murder a "tragedy."

I'll just say this--you have to be a pretty damn miserable person to complain about the people being sentimental over a fan favorite's murder while trying to protect his woman and child. I know some miserable people, but I'm not sure I've ever met anyone quite as miserable as John Feinstein.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 28, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I used to have respect for Whitlock as a journalist. Then the man got on Twitter and lost his f@cking mind.

Posted by: LouLewis | September 28, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Feinstein is a smart and entertaining writer and I have enjoyed his work over the years, but sometimes Feinstein allows his personal feelings toward owners, team management and coaches to influence his writing. If Feinstein likes you he can't say enough good things about you or the team you are associated with, but if he dislikes you look out. He famously feuded with John Thompson and Bobby Knight. Both men were deserving of criticism, but he made it personal. Now Feinstein has turned his ire on Snyder, Redskin players and Redskin fans. Truthfully, Snyder deserves any abuse he gets for his awful ownership of the Redskins and Redskins players deserve critical analysis for their play, but tell me how he can justifiably attack Reskin fans for being FANS! The word fan is derived from fanatic. Redskin fans are no different from any other NFL fans, they cheer for their team and get excited each year for a good season even though facts don't justify their loyalty. Feinstein rolling the fans under the bus with Snyder and the players is unfair. Do you think the feud between the Washington Post and Snyder has anything to do with the way he writes about Snyder? One thing you can count on he will never attack fans of Duke or Navy no matter what happens because he roots for those teams. As for Whitlock, he is sad now. I once admired his writing, but he sees conspiracy everywhere now. Both Feinstein and Whitlock need to return to the critical journalism they used to do.

Posted by: JAMNEW | September 28, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Whitlock actually knows what he's talking about. Feinstein is a self-important blowhard.

Posted by: CapsNut | September 28, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

No wonder Barno works in politics, that was a classic spin move every PR guy in town would be proud of.

Get away from Feinsteins relevant comments, move to an issue he was wrong on and the base will rally behind, and slam.

What was incorrectly said years ago has nothing to do with his column yesterday. I am thrilled to have someone in the media actually call out Snyder, most other local media is drinking the "he really changed this time" koolaid

Posted by: jpfterps | September 28, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

How is it a relevant comment for Feinstein to say he hopes Snyder loses and can't lose enough? That's the type of comment that marginalizes the writer into a tiny little box of his own opinions.

Posted by: LouLewis | September 28, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Good team or not, you can't let a professional team with a decent QB get a quick 14 point lead off of a kick out of bands, some stupid penalties, and then a bad fumble on the first offensive drive.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | September 28, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Feinstein really knows how to hold a grudge, doesn't he?

I should point out that the Ravens, a team that Feinstein can't say enough good things about, also have a similar conceit: "players seem to think they're special and fans always think the Ravens simply SHOULD be good because they're the Ravens." But you'll never hear him say that, because like another poster pointed out, he roots for that team.

Posted by: RCBJr | September 28, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Five Post staffers at Midnight Madness! Geez, have there been five Post staffers total that have attended any day of Caps training camp? Hmmm...Katie, Steinberg, Hamilton (since she wrote a column), a guy that was filling in for Katie when she went on the road with the team...That's only four...

And Feinstein doesn't like Snyder--but that doesn't mean he's not correct about the "entitlement" surrounding the Redskins.

Posted by: TheFingerman | September 28, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I think that there are ABSOLUTELY fans out there that think the Redskins are a top 5 team every year just because they are the Redskins. But for Feinstein to paint the entire fanbase with that brush is insulting. The entitlement exists, but in my experience, the entitlement amongst the fans is the exception rather than the norm. As for the organization, I think they sometimes confuse winning the "most valuable franchise" battle with winning games.

Posted by: RCBJr | September 28, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I think the media's fascination with the Wiz this preseason stems from getting the number one pick and a new owner. I can't possibly believe that ANYONE in DC thinks that the Wiz will be more successful than the Caps.

Posted by: RCBJr | September 28, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

This is the same Jason Whitlock was fired by the Kansas City Star and who in 2009 picked the Magic to sweep the Lakers. Interesting hearing Feinstein who has written more compelling books than columns being a Duke grad speaking of a sense of entitlement. His next column should be about modesty. Glad Feinstein could take time out of his busy schedule of writing books nobody buys to offer a comment to the huddled masses.

Posted by: Jethornt3 | September 28, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: jennus77 | September 28, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I should point out that the Ravens, a team that Feinstein can't say enough good things about, also have a similar conceit: "players seem to think they're special and fans always think the Ravens simply SHOULD be good because they're the Ravens." But you'll never hear him say that, because like another poster pointed out, he roots for that team.

Posted by: RCBJr | September 28, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Difference is the Ravens are good. The Redskins suck. I don't like Feinstein, but he's dead on about the distorted self-image of the Redskins organizations. The Redskins are a miserable failure of a product in all measurable ways outside of Danny's revenue reports — which is, sadly and despite all the lip service he gives to winning, the only thing that matters to the owner.

Posted by: thediesel | September 28, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Interesting articles you tagged, but how is anyone to know right now how good the Redskins really are? Of course they have to write articles like this and make their guesses, and I read the articles most of the time, but I never take their guessing seriously.

Local reporters always make it sound like the Redskins are just about to win the Super Bowl, then blame it on Snyder when that doesn't quite happen. Synder probably does deserve some blame for all the money he's spent on those high draft picks year after year, but the team's overall chemistry, that hasn't really clicked in year, is, I believe, mostly to blame.

How good a coach is Mike Shanahan without John Elway at quarterback? We'll see . . .

By the way, your quote of parts of Feinstein's article made it look as though Feinstein himself opined about the Redskins feeling a "unique sense of entitlement." Feinstein was actually quoting Boswell, who made that particular comment.

Having followed the 'Skins since the mid-sixties, I can say that at least they've been fun to watch this year, and even if it's a losing year overall, it's a lot more fun watching them now than most of the previous blunder-prone years we've agonized over since '91.

Posted by: JoeP55 | September 28, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

We Skins fans can't continue to defend this team under this owner. Outside of the Detroit Lions there has not been a more consistently bad team than the Skins since Snyder took over as owner. He has basically flipped flopped Head Coaches between under qualified QB Coach/Offensive Coordinators who couldn't maintain discipline and coaches whose best sucess was in the 80's and 90's that alienated talented players and mismanaged the team. The currrent mess under Shanahan is so similiar to Gibbs 2.0 it's not even funny.

1.Traded away key draft picks for other teams former stars.

2.Made the roster so old that they're gonna have a hard time competing with younger teams with better athletes. They both also buried younger players on the depth chart that could bring some playmaking especially on Offense. Old coaches are so caught up in young players making mistakes that they don't give them a chance to make plays.

3.Mada a major mistake in choosing a system that doesn't fit the skill set of the players. For Gibbs it was deciding to run his old offense which was outdated and for Shanahan it's deciding to run a 3-4 Defense without a NT and enough team speed and athleticism in the front seven.

I don't want to hear "it's only been 3 games" We've seen this same crap for over 10 years and know how this story will end.

Posted by: moseley_brian | September 28, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"fans always think the Redskins simply SHOULD be good because they're the Redskins."

Yes, because we won the division one time over the last 19 years. A whole generations of fans have been born since the last time the Skins hosted a playoff game. I know lots of fans who feel the Redskins are entitled...

Posted by: Scoonie97 | September 28, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I enjoyed both of the Redskin articles. Any articles that can help the sheep(Redskin Fans) see a bit of daylight on the actual state of the Redskins as opposed to the hype machine(The Future Is Now) Redskin Park talking heads want you to believe, is always a good thing. Danny Boy is lucky his fan base, for the most part, can't smell the stench.

Posted by: Riddler1 | September 28, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

most other local media is drinking the "he really changed this time" koolaid

Posted by: jpfterps | September 28, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah including you, as of a year ago. You said you thought Snyder was ok but hated Vinny. Now that Vinny is gone you have to have someone to pin your frustrations on and Snyder is an easy target.

As for the koolaid drinking references, those are the sole intellectual property of Professor Petecard. Did you get his permission to use his line?

Posted by: Barno1 | September 28, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

People may dislike Feinstein but he is spot on when it comes to Snyder. Skins fans should turn their ire where it belongs -- on the owner, not the esteemed writer (some of the best sports books ever written) who calls him out on his arrogance and incompetence.

Posted by: dbunkr | September 28, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Yes he is a self important blowhard,can't imagine how his wife puts up with him on a daily basis(oh! i'm sorry am i making this personal?)that being said he is right on the money concerning the Skins,Shannahan and Haslet are gonna wish they never heard of this franchise by seasons end. Jason Whitlock hasn't been the same since he was bounced from ESPN's The Sports Reporters for butting heads with Mike Lupica i wish he had stepped on that little twerp. The truth of the matter is both are right Synder and Cerrato ruined this team with stupid off season signings and Synders constant meddling has made it hard for any coach to succeed.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 28, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me how so called Redskins fan continue to bash their team. If you a Skins fan support your team. Don't wish for them to fail. We all know the current state of the team. The intitlement by Redskins fans is not unique to here. Go visit or listen on the radio to the other NFL cities and you will hear their fans act the same way. Go to Philly which hasn't won a NFL title since Eisenhower was president and each and every year they expect the Eagles to win and win big. As for Whitlokc and Feinstein, Whitlock since his departure from ESPN has lost a lot of fans and supporters. Remember he was a college teammate and ardin supporter of Jeff George. Feinstein clearly doesn't care for Synder and how he operates but so far this year he hasn't said or done anything. The hope is that he stays out of the way and lets football people do their jobs. Feinstein bashes the fans but he can't and shouldn't lump every fan as the same, I'm not like every fan so don't characterize me like that.

Posted by: armorgan2 | September 28, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

When will the Redskins be successful? Its always next year. Do they have any draft picks left rebuild in the next couple of years. They are old. They will need a franchise QB because Donovan is going to Az next season, they need a running back, and wide outs.

Snyder will continue doing what he does best. It his MO and he will never learn.

So Shanahan collects his money for two years and then its AMF and we are back to another big time has been coach and the beat goes on.

Only way the redskins ever get close to playoffs is if Snyder sells the team or his wife files for divorce because of the videos of Danny and Barno. His wife could do a better job of running the team.

Posted by: sheepherder | September 28, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

armorgan2, well said.Its 3 games, people.Im not expecting the skins to go to the playoffs this year. If they do, great.I think people are getting carried away too early with all this negativity.Your killing this blog

Posted by: FOURWATTS | September 28, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

the danny's redskin stewardship illustrates the truth of the old saying: "a dead fish rots from the head." if 'skins make 7-9 this year that improvement will be about the best that can be reasonably expected of them.

Posted by: a-littlebird-ptolemy | September 29, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs didnt have a GM but still took the skins to two playoff berths. Call Gibbs 2.0 a disaster but since 92 we have had 3 playoff berths and hes responsible for 2 of them over 4 years.

DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER HOW BAD WE WERE LAST YEAR???? Our defense was ranked in the top 10 but we hadnt been able to stop anybody in the past 2 yrs when it counted. Offensively we were horrible at everything and yet we thought Jason Campbell was the problem. JC17 was probably the only thing we should have been able to hang our hats on. The organization was in dismay, we had no competent offensive coaches, JMU had a better offensive line and all JC17 did was getter across the board and continue to take the criticsm* not throw anyone under the bus. Integrity and class something this organization has lacked.

Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan inherited a mess. From Top to bottom. This team lacks talent, depth and discipline. Do we expect them to turn it around in 9 months and 1 draft in which we didnt have much amunition to work with.

Our offense is a million times better than under zorn (probly since norv turner)and outside of qb hes doing it with zorns personnel. Our offense will continue to get better this year and when he can bring in more personnel (our oline has went for embarrasing to almost average and we lost our starting right guard before training camp) Oline, rb's and a #1 WR.

As for the defense, we are two or three players from being very good again. We switched to the 3-4 to create more turnovers and we have. We haven't been able to get off the field on 3rd down. We need a NT (cuz Haynesworth is selfish), OLB bc andre carter cant get it done, and another DE or two to add depth.

If you havent noticed the change then your probably a person who voted for McCain. Give these guys some time

Posted by: twenty-36-one | September 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

the redskins really need another good wideout, JACKSON FROM THE CHARGERS WOULD BE GREAT, OR LONG SEASON.


Posted by: smurf1962 | September 29, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a personal afront to any type of sports writing. More information came out of Dick Cheney's office than Redskins park. Snyder likes Larry Michael reading fan mail and won't allow any questions about anything. If you are not a blonde with a softball forget it. Shanahan is ready willing and able to play snyders game bashing players, cutting players and making sure to stick up for his little boss. What is amazing is the reporters are surprised when no decent free agent signs with the Redskins. Snyders reputation preceeds him and no one will play here unless they are done, overpaid or forced by the draft. This is a waste land.

Posted by: HelloNewman53 | September 29, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

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