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Ravens beat Redskins in poll of Maryland voters


(By Preston Keres - TWP)


The Baltimore Sun included one of the most crucial questions of our time in a recent poll of Maryland's likely voters, and the results were worrisome. According to the paper, 51 percent of Maryland's likely voters would cheer for the Ravens in a BW Parkway Super Bowl, while only 31 percent would root for the Redskins.

(Note: This was a statewide poll. This was not just a poll of Baltimore residents. Stop insinuating that.)

The paper also reported that Bob Ehrlich supporters lean towards the Ravens to a greater degree than Martin O'Malley supporters. In a related development, Montgomery and P.G. Counties are located closer to Washington than they are to Baltimore. More:

The Ravens dominate in nearly every category of poll respondent -- black, white, male, female, Democrats, Republicans. Baltimore's team also seems to have locked down its region in a way the Washington team has not. In metro Baltimore, 75 percent of poll-takers said they'd cheer for the Ravens. But in metro Washington, the Redskins can count on the support of only 56 percent of voters.

That latter number is at least higher than the results of a recent City Paper poll, which found that only 48 percent of registered D.C. Democrats call the Redskins their favorite NFL team. I'm sort of curious what these numbers would have looked like 20 years ago.

By Dan Steinberg  | October 27, 2010; 11:29 AM ET
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Comments

file this story under "duh."

Posted by: NomeMike | October 27, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The Ravens have incorporated the MD flag into their uniform. They are exclusively a MD team. The Redskins are technically a DC team, the stadium is in MD and the HQ is in VA. The footprint for the Redskins covers a much larger area.

Poll VA and tell me how many of them are Raven fans. Yeah, likely single digits.

Posted by: dalison | October 27, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

So a poll by a newspaper set in Baltimore indicates that the Baltimore team has more fans? Shocking.

I live in Maryland and will only root for the Ravens in a SB if the Cowboys, Eagles or Giants are involved.

Prior to their Super Bowl run, I didn't know the Ravens even had fans.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | October 27, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

When you come from Baltimore, there is not a lot to cheer about. You embrace anything you can, even the Ravens.

Posted by: lp_lodestar | October 27, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The Baltimore Sun still is in circulation?

Posted by: JDP_ | October 27, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

from maryland and hate the ravens (solid organization though)

i like the city of bmore better than DC, but Skins are my team and Skins dominate (not always on the field), why dont we take a state of maryland poll and not a bmore sun poll

HAIL

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 27, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

What if the question was worded as below:

In the Super Bowl, would you root for a team whose face of the franchise is someone that was arrested for murder and ultimately convicted of obstructing an investigation OR the Redskins?

How would the poll numbers change? Until the Ravens stop celebrating Ray Lewis, I will NEVER root for the Ravens. I'd rather have the Cowboys win!

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | October 27, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I am Va resident. I have no loyalties whatsoever to the Ravens. They are just another out of town team - no different than the Seattle Seahawks. Actually, that is not true. I dislike them more than most out of town teams.

This is bad news for anybody who doesn't care about the Ravens. It means the quality of NFL football shown on DC tv will suffer. The Ravens are considered a secondary market team of DC. As a secondary market team, the DC television stations (CBS, FOX) are obligated to carry all Raven's away games unless doing so would conflict with their obligations to carry the Redskin games. Many times when this occurs, the DC market is stuck watching snoozers like the Ravens vs Rams while every other market outside DC/Baltimore is showing the "game of the week" - the game the network feels is most exciting game on the docket.

The Ravens would like to upgrade their DC status from secondary market to primary market. Such a move would oblige the local DC stations to carry all Raven's games. So far it hasn't occurred, but the more popular the Ravens become, the more chance this move occurs. This means more boring Ravens games, less exciting game of the weeks.

This is very depressing.

Posted by: niceshoes1 | October 27, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Because 798 voters represent the whole of Maryland...

I'm surprised the Sun found 798 people willing to listen...

Posted by: Scoonie97 | October 27, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I would too. Screw Dan Snyder.

Posted by: futbolclif | October 27, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I blame Dan Snyder for this.

Posted by: wahoo2x | October 27, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd go with duh here too.

The Ravens incorporate iconic Baltimore imagery (no the Raven is not just a coolo-destructo superbird, but a literary reference). The Maryland flag is a prominent feature.

And - double duh - DC (and by extension the suburbs to a considerable extent) is a total hodgepodge of People from Everywhere, much more so than Baltimore City or the western and northeastern counties.

Really, it's triple duh.

Posted by: poorskins | October 27, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Marylander and I hate the Ravens. Put that in my review!

Posted by: Kev29 | October 27, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

69% of Maryland residents have bad tattoos

Posted by: PowerBoater69 | October 27, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

69% of Maryland residents have bad tattoos

Posted by: PowerBoater69 | October 27, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I want to preface my comments in this post by stating that Baltimore sucks. I can say this because I live in the Baltimore suburbs and work in the city. Its a cesspool. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Now, on to my response.

Dan, while the Baltimore Sun's poll is "statewide", it is "statewide" among subscribers to the paper. While I don't have the statistics in front of me make this claim with certainty, I'd hazard a guess that 75%, if not more, of the Baltimore Sun subscriber base is in Baltimore County, Baltimore City, Howard County, Harford County, and Carrol County. Those are all areas that are overwhelmingly majority-Ravens fanbase. Hence the disparity in support for the two teams. For those counties (and parts of Anne Arundel County, as well) the Sun is the "paper of record." If the Post were to run a similar "statewide" poll, I could pretty much guarantee that the Redskins would come out on top in a race between the two teams, because of where most of the subscriber base is.

Samuel Clemens said it best: there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics.

Posted by: RCBJr | October 27, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

NiceShoes said:

The Ravens are considered a secondary market team of DC. As a secondary market team, the DC television stations (CBS, FOX) are obligated to carry all Raven's away games unless doing so would conflict with their obligations to carry the Redskin games.

The reverse is true in Balitmore. DC is the "secondary market" for the NFL in Baltimore, so contractually, WJZ (CBS) and WBFF (Fox) are obligated to show Redskins games when the would not conflict with the airing of a Ravens game on that channel. The difference is this: the DC stations actually follow the terms of the NFL agreement, and air Ravens games in the DC market. I have lived in the Baltimore market for over 6 years now, and I can count one one hand the number of times that the Baltimore Fox affilitate has aired a Redskins game, and that's usually only during the Ravens bye week. Otherwise, they'll air re-runs of Seinfeld or Stargate SG-1, or even infomercials. Then, during the other afternoon game timeslot, they'll show whatever the national game is, if they show a game at all.

Posted by: RCBJr | October 27, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I would think that those who read the Baltimore Sun identify more with the Baltimore area. I live in Anne Arundel County and only read the Post. The sample is skewed.

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | October 27, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow. That's amazing. In a similar poll - Baltimorons would much prefer Towson to lead the CAA football standings vs. their current last place position.

Posted by: mountjacksonmudcats | October 27, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Both sets of fans are total rednecks and have bad taste.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | October 27, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This is comical. A team that was taken from another city, splashes purple on themselves like Barney the dinosaur claims to be more popular than a team that has been around for 80 years?? Oh, Baltimore, you will always be the stepchild city. I was born a Redskin fan. How many of those who voted in this stupid poll can say the same about the Ravens?? j

Posted by: KKlein | October 27, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Why anyone would want to hang around FEDEX field for 10 hours is beyond me. Too much traffic in FEDEX. After a Ravens game walk over to restaurants around Inner harbor. Redskins belong in DC next to a Subway station.

Redskins are full of Free Agents while Ravens build from the draft. Snyder likes to cut down trees and start mudslides in Potomac.

Posted by: jercha | October 27, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to ditch the Redskins for the Ravens because of traffic!

Oh and Washington DC does not have a "subway"

Posted by: Kev29 | October 27, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

@kklein -The Redskins relocated from Boston back in 1932. Those that live in glass houses.....

Posted by: jwash4472 | October 27, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Being from P.G. County and a lifetime Redskins Fan, I could care less of the Ravens much the same way I didn't care for the Colts while they were in Baltimore. Why should I when I had the Redskins to root for?

On the baseball side, I became an Orioles fan after the Senators left for Texas in 1971.

So in short politics and relocation will never dictate who I root for. As the song goes, root, root for the HOME team.

Go Birds, Go Skins and that's that.

Posted by: memyselfI1 | October 27, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@kklein -The Redskins relocated from Boston back in 1932. Those that live in glass houses.....

Posted by: jwash4472 | October 27, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Where is Barno?

Posted by: jpfterps | October 27, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

DC has a much larger population of relocated and transitory residents, so these numbers shouldn't surprise anyone. Many of the residents of DC have relocated here from some other part of the country or some other country entirely. No small percentage of them are temporary. Most of these recently emigrated from other regions in the US bring their original allegiances (Steelers, Packers, etc) with them.

Posted by: BurgundyNGold | October 27, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

@BurgundyNGold and on the flip side, who in their right mind would immigrate to Baltimore?

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | October 27, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Kidding aside - the Skins are losing traction in a bunch of areas that historically provided them fans. I definitely see a lot more Ravens stuff these days on the Eastern Shore, in Anne Arundel county, Western Maryland, even Montgomery county. The Skins fan base used to be dominate from Howard County all the way to Florida - now there's a lot more competition for the non-die hards.

Posted by: Kev29 | October 27, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Why would the Redskins worry about having 31 percent of Maryland when they have pretty much all of VA, DC and West VA too? Maryland is small potatoes............

Posted by: poguesmahone | October 27, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone consider that DC is made up of a majority of non-native-DCers?? Much of the community is made up of government and military families that have been placed here from around the country. That's why there are so many representatives of every fan base/team in the country here. Also why you see so many opposing-team fans at Redskins games...because the District and surrounding areas is crawling with non-DC/VA natives.

To that point, I agree with lp_lodestar...Baltimore only has teams in 2 of the 4 major sports, and considering how horrible the Orioles (bless them) have been recently, no wonder everyone clings to the Ravens.

I wonder what kind of results you'd get if the Washington Post did the same poll

Posted by: RyanAndOpus | October 27, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

DC is a much more transient community than Baltimore is (or probably ever will be). How about this? I'm a Skins fan in southern California, and I can tell you that without a doubt there are more Redskins faithful here than Ravens fans. When you exclude military families, I never see Ravens fans. Redskins, however, ...

Posted by: huguenotklj | October 27, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Two words: DAN SNYDER

Posted by: matthewrayman | October 27, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

RCBJr - It wasn't a poll of Sun subscribers, it was a telephone poll of Maryland voters. The Sun piggybacked the question onto their pre-election statewide voter survey.

The Ravens have a wide, passionate following outside of the DC-area counties that most DC area residents probably have no clue exists because they rarely go to those areas.

Posted by: ryanem1 | October 27, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

This isn't that surprising. The Redskins own Montgomery, Prince Georges, Charles, and St Mary's counties. Calvert and Anne Arundel are split leaving the rest of the state predominantly to the Ravens (except Allegany & Garrett which are Steeler territory). Further, Baltimore city's population skews the statistics as the residents are almost all Raven fans and there is nothing remotely close elsewhere in the state to compete with that population total. Personally, I live in Crofton which is predominantly Washingtonian but right next door is Odenton which is predominantly Baltimorean so I see both colors all the time.

As others noted this is also just Maryland. The Redskin fan base is much larger than the Raven fan base and it always will be. Besides Maryland fans the Redskins also dominate the District, the entire state of Virginia (to include the cities of Richmond, Roanoke, and Norfolk) and a large chunk of West Virginia. The Ravens can't compete with that and they never will be able to due to their positioning between DC and Philly.

Posted by: croftonpost | October 27, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

It's the same here in North Carolina. I grew up in Northern Va and moved here 15 years ago. The Panthers have caught on BIG in NC but here in the eastern part of the state...the Skins RULE!!!
I will always be a Washington Redskins fan and a RABID Maryland Terps fan!!
BTW: Baltimore IS in Maryland...isn't it?
(DUH!!!!)

Posted by: AliveStillKickin | October 27, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

This is comical. A team that was taken from another city, splashes purple on themselves like Barney the dinosaur claims to be more popular than a team that has been around for 80 years?? Oh, Baltimore, you will always be the stepchild city. I was born a Redskin fan. How many of those who voted in this stupid poll can say the same about the Ravens?? j

Posted by: KKlein | October 27, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

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As long as you maintain your perfect sports purity by never ever cheering for the Nationals, who sullied our perfect snowflake of a city by moving here from that sinful Canadian town. How dare they move from another place less than 80 years ago!!!

Posted by: M__N | October 28, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone consider that DC is made up of a majority of non-native-DCers?? Much of the community is made up of government and military families that have been placed here from around the country. That's why there are so many representatives of every fan base/team in the country here. Also why you see so many opposing-team fans at Redskins games...because the District and surrounding areas is crawling with non-DC/VA natives.

Posted by: RyanAndOpus | October 27, 2010 5:20 PM

We've always had a high transplant population, but the huge difference these days...? Satellite TV and the internet. Used to be that a lot of transplants would come here either for a few years or for life and pick up the DC teams. Now no one ever leaves their childhood teams behind, because they can follow them so easily. My grandfather moved down from Philly in the 40s and became a Redskins and Senators fan along with his kids. That would NEVER happen now - families permanently live in these greener pastures and continue to cheer for Philly, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc.

Pro teams around here need to win - to energize the loyal District, MD and VA residents, but also to entertain the transplants. They'll buy tickets to watch good teams too, no matter where their loyalties lie.

Posted by: Kev29 | October 28, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Uh....DUH!!!

They are Maryland's Team (i.e. Baltimore).

The REDSKINS are the Nation's Capital Team, and Virginia too!!!

Posted by: SkinsFan281 | October 29, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

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