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Posted at 5:05 PM ET, 12/12/2010

Here's Brian Orakpo being held, again

By Dan Steinberg


Apparently at least one television analyst thought this block -- which came on Tampa Bay's go-ahead touchdown -- was not a hold. Mike Shanahan agreed.

"He was not held," Shanahan said. "He was mugged."

"I mean, it was so obvious," Andre Carter agreed. "It was just unbelievable. I think it was visible to everybody else. That should have been a holding call. Unfortunately, these past few weeks Orakpo, as a defense and as an individual, he can't seem to get those calls."

"It's tough when you don't get those calls like that," Phillip Daniels said. "It's bad when they miss those kind of calls, but at the same time, we've just got to do a better job of trying to get off of those guys."

"Very frustrating," Orakpo said. "I've been held all season. I don't understand it. I keep saying, I've got to keep fighting through it, keep fighting, but I mean, when you're getting held like this, it's ridiculous. They've got back judges there for a reason, and for them to tell me that he wasn't looking at the play, he was looking downfield? We've got downfield judges for that. He's the backfield judge, referee. That's exactly what he told me.

"I was held around the neck. When you're held in that position around your neck, you can't move. You can't move. It's been redundant all year, all season long, and for him to tell me that he was looking at the receivers downfield, I mean, I don't know. Whatever."

Then I asked Orakpo whether he had seen the images pictured here.

"Yeah, I seen the image," Orakpo said. "It's clear as day. It's clear as day. I'll put the image up tomorrow. I mean, I'll post it or anything. But it was ridiculous."

Then Rich Campbell asked if he was surprised not to see a flag after that play.

"I was very stunned," Orakpo said. "That was one of the most blatant ones, almost like Dallas. It was ridiculous."

(Thanks to @thebrowncoat and @chaztopher for the images.)


By Dan Steinberg  | December 12, 2010; 5:05 PM ET
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Comments

This is how the officals can determine the outcome of a game..thats why the NFL is dirty....

Posted by: jeye18 | December 12, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes, just ridiculous. The bad call the non-catch for 1st down on Moss. Why do they call no catch on that play!?! Why not let the play happen and then let the team challenge it. There is no way in hell they could see he definitely didn't catch the ball. The refs have way too much power to change the outcome of games...

Posted by: isonic1 | December 12, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

If I screwed up this bad at my job, I would be fired. Its good for this ref that we aren't fighting for a playoff spot. He's also lucky we aren't one of the chosen teams like Dallas or New England or he'd definitely be demoted if not fired.

Posted by: dtysko | December 12, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The NFL is fixed. I'm convinced officials have been told to ignore holding against Orakpo.

Posted by: jag523 | December 12, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

yes! blame the refs! the last bastion of the delusional!

Posted by: funkey | December 12, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

You're right funkey, it was Orakpo's fault he has to play by the rules but his opponent doesn't. I am guessing you're a Cowboys fan who is used to getting all the calls.

Posted by: dtysko | December 12, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Looks ok to me... Not a lineman's fault if a guy gets his neck all tangled up in your arm...

Posted by: NatsfanNKY | December 12, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

EVERYPLAY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE CHALLANGED !!

3 times a half, let each team use them as many times as it feels necessary or is it clear to the NFL that there are so many missed calls that the games would never end?

The missed calls can be viewed by the viewed by anyone watching network coverage. The answer has got to be either let ever call be challenged or have one official in the box watching what the home views are watching.

Regardless of this one bad call the Skin STINK !

Posted by: dannyboyrules | December 12, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes it was holding but if the Skins had a credible team, that play wouldn't have mattered.

Posted by: nativedc | December 12, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the officials have kept the Redskins from winning this year. It's so unfair.

Posted by: dbunkr | December 12, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

No, not holding according to Goose and Moose. As long as you raise your arms at the end and don't use your hands to actually grab hold of him, they can't call holding. Book it, these guys are always right.

Hahaha, I made myself laugh. I hate them almost as much as Aikman. That was clearly holding no matter what their ridiculous opinion was.

Posted by: will_ga | December 12, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

If Orakpo knew how to "flop" he'd get more holding calls, see the picture above, he's got his free arm down. Get that arm up in the air-wave it around Dwight Freeney style. Use the leverage of the hold. Let the guy spin you around or, even better, hook onto his arm and take him to the ground - you'll get the call.


Posted by: coparker5 | December 12, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

This isn't a concern if Orakpo used some technique. Bull, rip, club, swim? Anything added to his outside speed rush would be nice. Among other things, this has to be addressed in the offseason.

HTTR

Posted by: seeway | December 12, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Officials don't give crappy teams the calls..... The Redskins rammed the ball down their throat all day and could not close the deal... Why? Because they choke. Why do they choke? Because they're not a good football team. They SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow... Can't wait until the draft and we get two new WRs who can't catch and run a decent pass route.... This is a defense that belongs at the collegiate level.

Posted by: Capitalist-1 | December 12, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

A bad (missed) call against Orakpo is a mouse breaking wind in a hurricane in the scheme of Things Wrong with The Redskins. Having said that, the ref(s) who missed that one ought to be demoted to officiating Pee-Wee League games for the rest of the season. That guy pulled a Jack the Ripper on Orakpo so blatant, a dean man in Mongolia could have seen it, and he got away with it.

Posted by: ericenderle | December 12, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

saw both plays. why? fox gets great angles. the so called holdong. if you see his hand he is holding nothing but air. he just had is arm out under the guys chin straight. no ref can call that.
the catch if you look at the angles the ball hit the ground their just was no proof he got the other hand under it. close call though.
to be honest the way you ran over us in the first half i thought you would put up 50 points. what happened? then you did a former bucs move with the missed pat. i used to groan when that happened to us. but remember you had 2 missed field goals. this game is just one of the puzzlers of the 2010 season!

Posted by: carl6352 | December 12, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

if you see his hand he is holding nothing but air. he just had is arm out under the guys chin straight. no ref can call that.

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Exactly.

Posted by: arizona4 | December 12, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

maybe if we had a f---ing kicker that could make to chip shots none of this would matter!!!!new campaign in d.c. "gano must go!!!" hes terrible and i don't understand why we haven't picked up a bumb off the street! surely they could kick better? used to want snyder and vinny gone, got one of them. now its time for shanny baby and his cronies to hit the road! he wreaks of manure!

Posted by: dannyandvinnymustgo | December 12, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

dtysko - yes, the refs cost you another playoff spot by that one play. lol. here's a hint, when you start looking at one holding penalty/false start/pass interference/etc call as an excuse, you know your team sux. get real.

Posted by: funkey | December 12, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

When you're not a good team, and these Redskins stink, you're not going to get those calls. No matter how obvious it was.

Posted by: anw821 | December 12, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic reffing for weeks now

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 12, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Officials could call holding on every play by every team. Orakpo acts like he's the only guy in the league who doesn't get the calls. Check out your own teammate, Trent Williams. He's been holding his man pretty much every down this season.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 12, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

There must be a league mandated conspiracy against all Washington based sports teams. Our city's teams never live up to expectations and all the fans say it's because of rampant anti Washington officiating. I wonder how high and wide ranging this conspiracy is-the President of the United States, the UN, the head of the Salvation Army? There is no telling who is in on this thing. Woe is us.

Posted by: sjp879 | December 12, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

LOSER talk...

Posted by: peauxsucent888 | December 12, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling all now that this goes much deeper then a one holding call. who's to say if they call it that they wouldn't have just isolated their TE on our LB's and scored on the next play. they had been waiting to use that play since it didn't work in the first qrtr. We can bring in all the shannahans, b.allen's Mcnabbs and Haslets you want and you can't just wave a wand and change the dysfuntion of this team. IT CHANGES YOU!!! first and foremost ,we gotta stop thinking we are one QB or GM or coach from winning. The way you stay fresh and cycle your roster is to have 7,8, 9 picks and have 6,7,8 make your club, every year. We have 3-4 every year & even cut three this year that we made as we traded down and got a couple extra. This is crucial in todays NFL. Philly, indy, NE, Balt, Pitts are successful because they stock pile picks and the players they pick and groom them to eventually be able to play. We can't buy our way out of our own ineptitude because as we see now, payment becomes due eventually thru the smugness, pompous excess and stupidity of our owner. the football gods and karma, combined with the arrogance that you are 1-2 players away from being good has gotten us where we are now. Our past management has made it so we can't even trust our eyes and say x-player is still good and we should keep. We need to purge our roster, Bill parcells like, and get rid of anyone that has been here five years or more or over thirty. Our culture is poisoned even by the so called good players because their comfort level exceeds their production. there are few exceptions to this no matter what we think, we have made the mistake of over-valueing our team, players and expectations. if you are only truly going to win only 4,5 or six games a year, do it with youth and enthusiastic players whose mistakes are part of growing and not business as usual. We need to stop and bite the bullet instead of trying to fool ourselves into dodging them. it's not bad luck or the refs as to why we are here once again trying to figure out why we are losing. We have made this bed and deserve the results. it's almost like a battered wife syndrome thinking because of our stupid owner and management, that we deserve thes beatings.

Posted by: klangley69 | December 12, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling all now that this goes much deeper then a one holding call. who's to say if they call it that they wouldn't have just isolated their TE on our LB's and scored on the next play. they had been waiting to use that play since it didn't work in the first qrtr. We can bring in all the shannahans, b.allen's Mcnabbs and Haslets you want and you can't just wave a wand and change the dysfuntion of this team. IT CHANGES YOU!!! first and foremost ,we gotta stop thinking we are one QB or GM or coach from winning. The way you stay fresh and cycle your roster is to have 7,8, 9 picks and have 6,7,8 make your club, every year. We have 3-4 every year & even cut three this year that we made as we traded down and got a couple extra. This is crucial in todays NFL. Philly, indy, NE, Balt, Pitts are successful because they stock pile picks and the players they pick and groom them to eventually be able to play. We can't buy our way out of our own ineptitude because as we see now, payment becomes due eventually thru the smugness, pompous excess and stupidity of our owner. the football gods and karma, combined with the arrogance that you are 1-2 players away from being good has gotten us where we are now. Our past management has made it so we can't even trust our eyes and say x-player is still good and we should keep. We need to purge our roster, Bill parcells like, and get rid of anyone that has been here five years or more or over thirty. Our culture is poisoned even by the so called good players because their comfort level exceeds their production. there are few exceptions to this no matter what we think, we have made the mistake of over-valueing our team, players and expectations. if you are only truly going to win only 4,5 or six games a year, do it with youth and enthusiastic players whose mistakes are part of growing and not business as usual. We need to stop and bite the bullet instead of trying to fool ourselves into dodging them. it's not bad luck or the refs as to why we are here once again trying to figure out why we are losing. We have made this bed and deserve the results. it's almost like a battered wife syndrome thinking because of our stupid owner and management, that we deserve these beatings.

Posted by: klangley69 | December 12, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

sorry for the duplication

Posted by: klangley69 | December 12, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

It's amusing to me to see all these tards thinking that just cause people are upset about bad refing that we're blaming our poor play on the refs. It's okay to be upset at bad refing AND at the poor play of our team at the same time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 12, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Not blaming the loss on the officials, but am pointing out that there could come an important game where this officiating crew determines the outcome.
In a consecutive three play span they failed to call a flagrant hold on Orakpo that resulted in a long touchdown pass. The ensuing kickoff saw the refs flag Sellers for a hold when his opponent fell to the ground in an obvious attempt to try and draw a penalty. The final call was Moss' apparent trap catch that the only replay angle could not determine. Based on Moss' reaction I tend to think he caught the ball. Three straight plays, three straight wrong calls, or no calls. The NFL should seriously consider replacing this crew, imho.

Posted by: Mrawl | December 12, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Washington is not on the "good list" or at least hasn't been in the last two months. Why are roughing calls not being called when Vick or Rothlisberger get drilled continuously over the week? Bad gets what bad supposedly deserves, in Goodell's eyes, at least the closed eyes of the officials. These games are excruciating enough without the referees playing a role in deciding them on such as a holding call. Miserable. AND unsafe. But it's in their contracts, I guess. I hope Las Vegas is happy.......

Posted by: msuic76 | December 12, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo needs to learn how to simulate a holding call. Was watching the game thinking, damn they should tack on a 15 yard mugging penalty. Anyway, that's what happens to a bad team... But dude needs to talk to the refs before plays, during plays and after plays...

Posted by: samiismoni14 | December 12, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Of course, i don't think there is any memo out per say but instead of a conspiracy theory, there might be some truth to some anit-bias, redskins hating on a national level. Haynesworth is perfect example. Instead of praising the coach for making one, spoiled rich, lazy and already paid player toe the line and do what is asked and expected of him, we, the skins, get ripped from every media outlet in the land. if ESPN, NFL , fox and everyone else continuesly say negative things about the same organization and owner, then thats the perception. perception becomes truth and the refs watch the very same shows we all do. Outside of washington it is almost impossable to find any positive article or reporting of the skins. anything good is never reported and the negative is always headlined. that is how, even when he is supposedly not involved, the skunk and stench that is Dan Snyder still effects our team on a daily, weekly basis.. We used to be revered and be known for tradition in the same breath as the rest of the top franchises in the league. That has changed in say the last ten years or so....common denominator is??? Until that little creep sells this team, we would almost have to have 31 perfectly timed plane wrecks to have a chnce to be number one again. Why has everyone for 40 years blasted the cards? Until they went to one superbowl, the owner(bidwell) was criticised from A-Z buy his inept ownership and if you think we are not looked at in the very same light, you are not paying attention or being truthful. And kurt Warner & Larry fitzgerald aren't walking in that door anytime soon! Our problems start and end with door number one!!!


Posted by: klangley69 | December 12, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

The reffing today was atrocious. I don't care what team is playing, there is no excuse for allowing a player to be figuratively raped on the field. Not only is this a clear violation of nfl rules, it's also dangerous for the player being dragged from behind.

"if you see his hand he is holding nothing but air. he just had is arm out under the guys chin straight. no ref can call that."

Wrong. This theory indicates that clotheslines are a legal form of blocking (as the player is "holding" nothing but air), which of course we know are not. Orakpo was headlocked. Any ref that does not call that (or even worse, feels that he 'can't' call that) should never set foot on an nfl field again.

Posted by: psps23 | December 12, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

@klangley - I agree with the content of all of your posts. Specifically (or primarily), the need for the roster purge. You're 100% correct. I've said this before on here, and I'll say it again: the Skins need to draft an offensive lineman. And then another. Then another. And one more for good measure. Yes, they have more holes than swiss cheese at most other positions as well, but let's start with protecting the QB and being able to run consistently. I'll live with scrap heap receivers and a defense that can't make that one play to win the game for a few more years, just to get some young studs up front.

Posted by: columbiapike | December 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

@klangley - I agree with the content of all of your posts. Specifically (or primarily), the need for the roster purge. You're 100% correct. I've said this before on here, and I'll say it again: the Skins need to draft an offensive lineman. And then another. Then another. And one more for good measure. Yes, they have more holes than swiss cheese at most other positions as well, but let's start with protecting the QB and being able to run consistently. I'll live with scrap heap receivers and a defense that can't make that one play to win the game for a few more years, just to get some young studs up front.

Posted by: columbiapike | December 12, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Offensive line was excellent today. Can't complain about them whatsoever. They destroyed Tampa's front, and it's not debatable. McNabb was (and has been for most of the season) the limiting factor.

Posted by: psps23 | December 12, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I just wish the games were called properly. Anytime I saw that hold during the live play, a highly compensated and allegedly trained NFL offical should have seen it as well.

All of you trotting out the same old tired cliches i.e, 'blaming the ref is loser talk' can shove it imho. After all, this play provided the go-ahead touchdown.

Posted by: eyekey416 | December 12, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

if orapko spent more time actually trying to get to the quarterback instead of trying to draw a foul like he's shane battier, he might get more calls and more sacks

Posted by: ryjufox3 | December 12, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

158 yds. rushing 1st half for Mr. Torain. Ended up with what? 175? If KS can't come up with a better 2nd half game plan, then daddy should fire his butt. That obviously won't happen so enjoy another 3 years of lousy ball. Waaay too many missed opportunities today - piss poor performance in the 2nd half and bad coaching. COME ON!! Do you really think we'll win another game? Beagles and Cowgirls are putting up their fists as the skins run to the breakfast buffet. I'm done!

Posted by: beerherenow | December 12, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

The good ones know how to get the call po po, figure it out.

Posted by: BallsDeep | December 12, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness, Casey Rabach pulled the exact same move on the Redskins next drive and it didn't get flagged either.

So in the end, it is wash because the officials didn't bother calling that hold at all today which is all you ever ask for out of officials is consistency. A call one way has to be a call another way.

A competent field goal battery (snapper, holder, and kicker) would have made all of this moot.

Posted by: CapsNut | December 12, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

All of the veteran officials have been instructed not to call holding against Orakpo. Then when they're breaking in a young ref, one of the first things they tell them is if you get assigned to a Washington game, you don't call holding against Orakpo. They say "I don't care if he's grabbed around the neck, if it's Orakpo it's not holding." This is a very unfortunate dark side of the game.

Posted by: josettes | December 13, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I suppose that the saddest part in all of this is that on the most important play of the game where the Bucs score the go-ahead touchdown, THIS was clearly a SACK prevented by an OBVIOUS penalty.

I mean, the back judge actually admitted that he wasn't looking at the BACK field but instead at the receivers downfield? If this idiot has a job tomorrow it is a travesty.

Then to add insult to injury, on the next play we get an excellent kickoff return only to be called back for a barely-there ticky tack holding call in the middle of a scrum you would have to be looking for to even see. This season, if the redskins get a good kick return, there is about a 100% chance it will be called back on a hold.

Yes, we have our problems, but this is a game of inches and if the refs GIVE those inches to the other team, we lose.

Posted by: mitchellvii | December 13, 2010 2:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Buccaneers fan.

That was definitely holding.

In fact, I didn't even cheer when Winslow scored because I saw the hold and figured the TD would be called back.

Posted by: Cerealman | December 13, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

the official miss a lot of calls and also interpret things differently.

Ben Rothlesberger had his nose broken against Ravens, typically a hit to the head of a qb is a penalty. Got hit in the head again yesterday by Bengals. Apparently officals told him that defense was just trying to make a tackle.

Orakpo was held and it should have been called. What we don't know is whether that was only really bad blown call in the game or were there others. that is what makes it hard to say one call costs a game. It is like NBA and knowing when a foul is a foul.

Posted by: Pensfans | December 13, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Will_ga love your comment. I think that Moose and Goose are the worst commentators since Troy Aikman also. Cant find a place on Fox to complain about them though, they have to do better than those 2 guys.

Posted by: acorvelli2 | December 13, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

the official miss a lot of calls and also interpret things differently.

Ben Rothlesberger had his nose broken against Ravens, typically a hit to the head of a qb is a penalty. Got hit in the head again yesterday by Bengals. Apparently officals told him that defense was just trying to make a tackle.

Orakpo was held and it should have been called. What we don't know is whether that was only really bad blown call in the game or were there others. that is what makes it hard to say one call costs a game. It is like NBA and knowing when a foul is a foul.

Posted by: Pensfans | December 13, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Here's Brian Orakpo being held, again

When you're 5-7, you don't get calls, plain and simple.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 13, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

its like being in the movie ground hog day. You keep waking up to the Redskins being jobbed. Even when they put good things together like a good running game, others parts of the team fall apart like McNabb and the kicking game.
The one consistent theme is the imbalanced treatment from the refs. Orakpo has been grabbed around the neck all year. Fox even showed the Giants team giving instructions to the offensive line last week on how to hold under the arm. Special teams plays, I'd like to see the statistics on how many plays are called back lead wide, it has to be more than 1/3 of all punts and kickoffs feature a penalty, shouldn't the game get rid of this feature? it must be impossible not to foul if you look at the numbers.
Bottom line, not just on the Skins, the NFL does not officiate evenly. It was last year too, with the game against New Orleans, Sellars in overtime with a questionable fumble.

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 13, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

In a league that has such close games every week. Four or five bad calls every two games is the difference between losing and winning. It affects momentum and morale. You shouldn't have to wonder if the refs are biased or not or if they affect the outcome or not, you should expect even officiating-especially at your home field.

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 13, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I feel bad for Orakpo the NFL does everything it can to punish a disliked owner.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 13, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I think that officials in the NFL DO INDEED have the ability to affect a game --don't call a penalty on this play or that, and the game is changed. And if Goodell won't do a DAMM thing about it, then the fans need to. Someone with the ability needs to post game day pictures of the officals on-line during a game. Then watch as the twitters and posts and email traffic mounts against each offical. I think the officials should be held accountable too, and not just at the end of the season...blow a blatant call in the game, then the official gets a 4 game suspension.

Posted by: wagenstill | December 13, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo needs to develop a crushing UPPERCUT to render opposing OLinemen 'Down for an 8 count". I'd accept a PF penalty just to see some trainer administering smelling suace to an OLineman whose 'out for the count' after Orakpo lands a Tyson-esque uppercut. The muggings will stop after a few TKOs. There's ways that Orakpo will learn to stop that blatant crap by OLinemen...just ask Dexter Manley.

Posted by: wagenstill | December 13, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Does make one wonder. The official almost must have been trying to miss that one. NBA refs have been bought. Why do people assume it can't happen in the NFL?

Posted by: poguesmahone | December 13, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

nobody talkin bout the defensive guru puttin Rocky 1 on 1 with Kellen on 3rd and 10. All-pro caliber TE 1 on 1 in the middle of the field vs. one of our worst cover backers? That's the matchup any OC would want.
BTW @wagenstill, i tend to agree with you. i dunno if it's worth an ejection, but he's gotta do more to put the ball in the official's court. I know hoops are different, but when things get a lil too chippy, refs are compelled to control the action. Brian takes these routine muggings like the kid who brings extra lunch money to school for the bullies. Take a guy down, get some hands to the face show some life. 14 weeks into the season and he can't get a call; it's on him. He's gotta find a way to get the sack or get the call, but the crying must stop. Either fight back or shut up.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 13, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

No conspiracy (at least not one leveled at any individual player). I believe the NFL has instructed the refs to use a very loose interpretation of holding against outside linebackers in a 3-4 set and defensive ends in the more aggressive defenses. It's another subtle way to protect QBs from big outside hits, without incurring even more high profile roughing penalties that get fans in an uproar. It's part and parcel of the ban on helmet to helmet hits all of a sudden. They need to keep injuries down and show the players they are actively trying to protect them in order to get the 18 game schedule approved.

Bottom line, it's all about the money.

Posted by: jeffgraham117 | December 13, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

No conspiracy (at least not one leveled at any individual player). I believe the NFL has instructed the refs to use a very loose interpretation of holding against outside linebackers in a 3-4 set and defensive ends in the more aggressive defenses. It's another subtle way to protect QBs from big outside hits, without incurring even more high profile roughing penalties that get fans in an uproar. It's part and parcel of the ban on helmet to helmet hits all of a sudden. They need to keep injuries down and show the players they are actively trying to protect them in order to get the 18 game schedule approved.

Bottom line, it's all about the money.

Posted by: jeffgraham117 | December 13, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

It was a hold no question. But at the end of the day we missed and extra point and two FG's.

Posted by: ryan_conaway | December 13, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

You all quit whining! The Redskins got away with a few, as well, ex: the extra down and still couldn't win the game. The 'Skins in total yardage in the first half alone tripled that of TB and you all should have been up by more than 7 points. You all are playing shoddy defense and offense. The only bright spot was Torrain.

I caution you to beware of my Cowboys. They won't hand the game to you like they did in September. So come prepared to play or stay home.

Posted by: cc4music | December 13, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I only saw the end of the game, but once again to many excuses,holding/no holding, missed kicks, etc. Even Suisham has finally learned to make field golds again for Pittsburgh.

As far as the end of the game I thought I was watching Washington and Tampa, but it turned out it was watching a rerun from the last football play in the movie "North Dallas Forty".

Posted by: wnbicher | December 13, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

cc4music, it wasn't an extra down. The Fox crew, including former Poke Daryl "Moose" Johnston, missed that Anthony Armstrong got a first down on his catch. The Skins properly scored on 4th down. Lesson learned, Pokes, and Poke fans, aren't good at math.

Orakpo was held. The ref missed it. A decade plus of sub-mediocre playing - call it Danny Ball - means you will never get that call. Such teams have to play well enough to make the bad calls irrelevant. The Skins can't do that right now.

Posted by: dockeppins | December 13, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

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