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Posted at 4:58 PM ET, 01/26/2011

Gary Williams says Terps must unite

By Dan Steinberg


Maryland AD Kevin Anderson has managed to quickly become something of a lightning rod among Terps fans. Witness the comments on this blog item, for example.

Gary Williams, though, thinks it's time for unity, something he says the Terps have long lacked. When asked about Anderson on the Junkies Wednesday morning, Williams pleaded for everyone to just get along.

"I think he's come in and he's done a good job," Williams said. "It's a tough job being an athletic director. We had the same athletic director for 15 years, and whatever was there was there. And when you come in, any job you take -- I've had like four or five different head coaching jobs -- you think you know the job going in. When I came to Maryland, I had no idea the severity of the situation there when I took the job, or else I wouldn't have come.

"He's had to make some tough decisions, and he's made 'em. I think it's time for Maryland to get unified. I think the one thing that's bothered me the most over the last 15 years or so is our lack of being together on everything. You go play Carolina, you go play Duke, there, everybody's on the same page. That hasn't always been true at Maryland. So we need that. And I think Kevin can do that."

Seriously, give me Friedgen, Yow, Williams, three hours, and several gallon containers of truth serum. Just for fun. Off the record.

Williams also was asked about the Terps' iffy RPI, and he defended this year's out-of-conference schedule.

"We could be 14-0 every year if we wanted to be, we could be in the top 25 in the country, but we play Villanova, we play Temple, we play Pittsburgh, we play Illinois," Williams said. "And you lose those games, and that's a loss, even though they're pretty good teams. That's the problem. Everybody wants you to play a great schedule, but you have to balance it."

By Dan Steinberg  | January 26, 2011; 4:58 PM ET
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Comments

I love Gary, and I believe him when he says he wants more unity at MD. That said, I don't believe that he seriously thinks Kevin Anderson has done a good job. Virtually no one in their right mind believes that. The man is totally incompetent.

Randy Edsall may turn out to be a fine coach at MD, but that is not the point. We had a fine coach and Anderson fired him. Let's be clear: Anderson was hired because of UMD's strong desire to have their first ever black Athletic Director (the final two candidates for the job were both black, with statistically less than a 1% chance of that occurring by accident). He was an affirmative action hire. Period.

Anderson couldn't have handled the Friedgen situation any worse if he tried. First oddly announcing, on the eve of the nationally televised game against FSU, that Friedgen would keep his job next year. Fridge himself thought the timing of the announcement was rather peculiar and almost insulting. Of course he was going to keep his job next year, he was under contract and on his way to ACC COY honors--and MD was in the driver's seat for the division title. Making that announcement to the press seemed to serve only one purpose: Anderson wanted to get his name mentioned in the ABC prime time game.

Then MD beats a ranked team in its season finale and seemed to be headed to an upper echelon bowl, a few days later Friedgen is awarded with the ACC COY honors. But due in part to Anderson's incompetence as an AD, we end up being forced to accept an invitation to the Military Bowl. While Debbie Yow is convincing the Champs Bowl execs to pick NC State, Anderson was doing absolutely nothing PR-wise with the same bowl execs to show them the indisputable numbers that MD does in fact have a very solid history of traveling well. Instead the bowl execs focus mostly on our home attendance this year (which was skewed by a very weak home schedule and the fact that we were coming off a 2-10 season).

A few days later James Franklin is wooed away by Vanderbilt and Anderson does nothing to keep him. Which is fine, but then he uses Franklin's departure as an excuse to go back on his word and fire Friedgen, claiming that he wasn't prepared to give the reigning ACC COY a contract extension.

The firing itself came out extremely clumsily as well, as Anderson let it slip that he wasn't ready to guarantee Friedgen's last year in a hastily organized conference call with reporters. Anderson later admitted that he childishly factored into his decision the fact that Friedgen's lawyer told the Bmore Sun that Fridge deserves a contract extension, saying "I had to factor that in." Totally ego-driven.

Anderson then fuels speculation that Mike Leach was coming here, first naming him and only him as a possible candidate in a press conference. Then, in a totally classless move, Anderson leaked to the press that Leach was on campus during Fridge's last game. So Md fans expected and wanted Leach, but Anderson somehow blew that too.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 26, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

This is all you need to know about Kevin Anderson. At the introductory news conference for Randy Edsall, Anderson begins his bullet points for why he hired Edsall with this nugget:

"In 2007...I believe...Randy Edsall had the highest graduation rate...amongst African Americans...from state schools...that played in a bowl game...That's a tremendous feat ladies and gentlemen" -Kevin Anderson

No seriously, he really did open up his remarks with that comment.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 26, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Please explain how the AD had anything to do with Maryland's bowl placement?

It's all about perception of the fan base, period. It would have happened either way.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | January 26, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Please explain how the AD had anything to do with Maryland's bowl placement?

It's all about perception of the fan base, period. It would have happened either way.

And no matter what, the previous AD was not on good terms with the two most important coaches at the school. That in itself is just wrong.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | January 26, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

BrokenClipboard, there is obviously tremendous amount of campaigning for bowl placement that goes on between the last regular season game and the bowl announcements a week later. Everyone knows this. Debbie Yow outclassed Anderson. Some have speculated Anderson didn't do anything whatsoever that week because he was quite content with the Military Bowl, due to the financial benefits for Maryland, while Friedgen and the players desperately wanted--and deserved--another destination.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 26, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Barno is right. When Yow was at UMD, she worked as hard as she could trying to get Maryland into the best bowl game possible. She didn't always succeed and she sometimes made promises she couldn't keep, but she made the effort.

Anderson however showed no interest in playing the politics necessary to get Maryland anything other than the Toilet...er...Military Bowl.

Posted by: CapsNut | January 26, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I should also note, a friend of mine who is an N.C. State alum told me that Yow told the Wolfpack Boosters in Orlando that she blew whatever remaining goodwill she had left at Maryland by getting N.C. State into that bowl game ahead of the Terps.

Posted by: CapsNut | January 26, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"I've had like four or five different head coaching jobs"
-->Gary, do you really not know how many head coaching jobs you've had off the top of your head. I understand if you can't remember every job you've ever had, but c'mon.

Posted by: break20 | January 26, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Break20, my guess is Gary was unsure whether to include a head coaching gig in high school, or maybe a head coaching gig in college that were for basketball. He's had both. So he says 4 or 5 (he's had 4 head coaching gigs in college basketball).

Posted by: Barno1 | January 26, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

That should have said:

maybe a head coaching gig in college that was NOT for basketball. (he was a soccer head coach)

Posted by: Barno1 | January 26, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I like Gary, but please... he is not a uniter. I don't think him and Ralph had the greatest relationship. And let's just put it this way, he could've taken more of the high road after Yow left instead of not recognizing her accomplishments. He was on the committee that brought KA, so he obviously has a personal stake in this.

@Barno,
I posted this on the Gloria thing, but didn't get a response from you. You mentioned that Colorado had cupcakes in CSU and KU (which is the equivalent of MD playing Duke, Wake, Morgan State, and UVA, among other teams0 which I agree, even though I was just comparing the non-conference schedule since you said every BCS team played a cupcake schedule. However, you look at both Colorado's conference and non-conference schedule, it's not even close. They had a much tougher out of conference schedule as well as being in a tougher conference. Bottomline, Maryland probably would NOT have been in a bowl game had they play that kind of schedule.

Posted by: break20 | January 27, 2011 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Barno Im not sure why you continue to say that KA was a affirmative action hire. Many credible news outlets such as Newsweek, TIME & CNN (assuming your not Sarah Palin & you actually have read them b4) have all reported that white women not black men have been the biggest beneficiaries of so called minority preferences aka affirmative action. Just a lil FYI. You may be right though, just a little late. If anyone was an affirmative action hire it was Yow. Other than that, I love to read your banter, its more entertaining than the actual blog... I agree w/ you & every Terp fan when it comes to how KA handled the fired of RF. But the idea of him just being a AA hire is kinda sad, old and foolish.

But hey its America!If the great intelligent ppl of Kentucky can build a theme park about the Bible, Dinosaurs, Unicorns & Noah Arc... well then my passionate Terp friend you can say what you feel, ROCK ON...

Posted by: dasilva_ryan | January 27, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Barno Im not sure why you continue to say that KA was a affirmative action hire. Many credible news outlets such as Newsweek, TIME & CNN (assuming your not Sarah Palin & you actually have read them b4) have all reported that white women not black men have been the biggest beneficiaries of so called minority preferences aka affirmative action. Just a lil FYI. You may be right though, just a little late. If anyone was an affirmative action hire it was Yow. Other than that, I love to read your banter, its more entertaining than the actual blog... I agree w/ you & every Terp fan when it comes to how KA handled the fired of RF. But the idea of him just being a AA hire is kinda sad, old and foolish.

But hey its America!If the great intelligent ppl of Kentucky can build a theme park about the Bible, Dinosaurs, Unicorns & Noah Arc... well then my passionate Terp friend you can say what you feel, ROCK ON...

Posted by: dasilva_ryan | January 27, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Can the affirmative action speech please be retired now? I think everyone who has ever read any blog post about Maryland in the last two months is aware that Barno is of the opinion that Kevin Anderson was hired because of affirmative action. Message received LOUD AND CLEAR. I personally don't know if this is true or not and at this point, I really don't care. Please, please stop posting this on every single Maryland item.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Re: Barno1's many, many, many posts:

"...I love to read your banter, its more entertaining than the actual blog"

Posted by: dasilva_ryan
----------------------------------------------

That is not a unanimous opinion.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | January 27, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"since you said every BCS team played a cupcake schedule."

Come on Break20, we normally agree on most issues but you know that is a far cry from what I actually said. I said all BCS teams play "some cupcakes on their schedule." Big difference between that and saying they all "play a cupcake schedule" overall. And I stand by my statement...all BCS teams play some cupcakes. Colorado playing Colorado State every year proves my point about your alma mater. Every school does it, Vtech schedules JMU, Central Michigan, and ECU this year. Florida State scheduled Samford and Byu. NC State played Western Carolina and East Carolina. Miami played Florida A&M etc etc. You get the point. Everyone does it, so complaining that MD plays a cupcake out of conference schedule every year when this year we played 3 bowl teams out of the 4 teams our non conference schedule is beyond absurd. Next year we play Temple, Notre Dame and West Virginia--3 more good teams.

Marylandarglington, there is exactly zero chance that I'm going to stop pointing out that Kevin Anderson was hired because of his skin color. You can't cyber bully me into censoring myself. Until UMD ends their divisive and outrageous racial preference practices in hiring, promotions, admissions, etc I'm going to keep beating that drum and letting WaPo readers know about it.

dasilvia_ryan, thanks for the comment. I'm with you that Debbie Yow was also most likely an affirmative action hire--after all she is the one who accidentally let it slip publicly that "affirmative hiring is part of the very fabric at UMD." Although in my opinion (and I know this is a minority opinion) she was actually a pretty good AD overall, despite whatever tension she may have had with Gary and Ralph. After all, MD sports had their most prosperous years ever during the Yow era--some of the credit goes to her for that. I'll tell you this much, she would never have handled the coaching situation as poorly as Anderson did.

As for your comment about white women being the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action preferences, that may be true as a lump sum, simply because there are far more white women in this country than black men and women combined. However, per capita, the overwhelming beneficiaries of affirmative action preferences are blacks, then Hispanics, then to a lesser degree women of all colors and other racial groups. Asians and whites are, by far, discriminated the most by colleges and universities when it comes to these preferences. There have been numerous studies on this by non profit groups of hundreds of public colleges and universities across the country in the last 10-15 years. The degree of preferences at schools like MD is staggering--but the public is largely unaware because these schools try very hard to keep this info hidden from the public. That's why Freedom of Information Act requests are so vital in exposing this kind of discrimination.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone who has ever read any blog post about Maryland in the last two months is aware that Barno is of the opinion that Kevin Anderson was hired because of affirmative action.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 11:04 AM

Oh yeah, and in 2009 when the team stunk, in some people's eyes James Franklin was given a sweetheart deal because of Affirmative Action. But then in 2010 when he did a very good job and was once again key to recruiting and the future -- all the sudden people didn't pipe up with that again.

Some just want to bend and stretch small statements into their version of reality.

Posted by: Kev29 | January 27, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and in 2009 when the team stunk, in some people's eyes James Franklin was given a sweetheart deal because of Affirmative Action. But then in 2010 when he did a very good job and was once again key to recruiting and the future -- all the sudden people didn't pipe up with that again.

Some just want to bend and stretch small statements into their version of reality.

Posted by: Kev29 | January 27, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Uh, from a published report on accsports.com: "Only because Franklin is a 'qualified minority,' according to Debbie Yow, did College Park administrators willingly agree to his preemptive promotion. 'It’s part of our fabric,' she said of affirmative hiring, which at Maryland included the ACC’s first black basketball assistant coach and head coach, the first African-American chancellor, and the first and only female AD."

Bend and stretch? She said flat out only because he was a qualified "minority" did he get a preemptive promotion. Can you imagine the uproar if she had said only because he was a qualified "white male" did he get the preemptive promotion? Of course there are those, apparently like you, that are willfully ignorant about this and want to believe James Franklin would have still been promoted had he been white. But that doesn't make it so my friend.

UMD administrators care very deeply about race and gender and factor those in heavily in nearly all their decisions. Look at the recent history...the chances that they would have a black head bball coach (Bob Wade) followed by a female AD, followed by a black chancellor, followed by an minority president, followed by a black head coach in waiting, followed by a black AD whose only competition for the gig was also black---well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize how important race is to UMD officials. They go out of their way to point out the skin color in their press releases each time a minority is hired. Do you really, honestly, seriously think that is by sheer coincidence? Keep kidding yourself.

Put into context with the fact that the school gives a massive degree of preference to black applicants over their white, Hispanic, and Asian counterparts in admissions--all of which has been well documented by public policy groups. Put into context with the fact that UMD takes race into heavy consideration in its undergrad admissions, med school, hiring, and faculty promotions--again well documented. Put into context that 2 federal courts have struck down racially-reserved scholarships at UMD. Well, again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize UMD factors race and gender heavily when they make their decisions.

And lastly, it doesn't make you a racist for pointing this stuff out. Just the opposite, those of us against race-based hiring feel that in order to achieve a colorblind society, we need to end these divisive, discriminatory practices and treat everyone equally regardless of skin color, ethnicity, or national origin.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"Come on Break20, we normally agree on most issues but you know that is a far cry from what I actually said. I said all BCS teams play "some cupcakes on their schedule." Big difference between that and saying they all "play a cupcake schedule" overall. And I stand by my statement...all BCS teams play some cupcakes. Colorado playing Colorado State every year proves my point about your alma mater. Every school does it, Vtech schedules JMU, Central Michigan, and ECU this year. Florida State scheduled Samford and Byu. NC State played Western Carolina and East Carolina. Miami played Florida A&M etc etc. You get the point. Everyone does it, so complaining that MD plays a cupcake out of conference schedule every year when this year we played 3 bowl teams out of the 4 teams our non conference schedule is beyond absurd. Next year we play Temple, Notre Dame and West Virginia--3 more good teams."
-->My point is there is no reason Maryland can't play that kind of schedule. Next year's is more inline but they should eliminate Towson. CSU is Colorado's in-state rival so the game is always more highly anticipated from their end and they have had some past success unlike some of those teams you mention (Btw, BYU has had some very good years), it's just like Navy in playing a early season contest at a neutral site and while Navy has been decent recently, they have had some off years.


"dasilvia_ryan, thanks for the comment. I'm with you that Debbie Yow was also most likely an affirmative action hire--after all she is the one who accidentally let it slip publicly that "affirmative hiring is part of the very fabric at UMD." Although in my opinion (and I know this is a minority opinion) she was actually a pretty good AD overall, despite whatever tension she may have had with Gary and Ralph. After all, MD sports had their most prosperous years ever during the Yow era--some of the credit goes to her for that. I'll tell you this much, she would never have handled the coaching situation as poorly as Anderson did."
-->Certaintly Debbie had her ups and downs, ups being the rise of the football program, a men's basketball championship, and a women's basketball championship (with the rise of that program). So certaintly some good hires, I know she inherited Gary, so that might explain why they didn't get along so well. Now onto the bad, trying to buyout Gary(really?), her declining relationship with Fridge, and her not so wise move of adding the luxury suites so soon (part of the reason why Fridge is gone is those empty seats).


On a funny note, I thought your power might still be out wherever you are, since your responses weren't so rapid this morning!

Posted by: mle916 | January 27, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Now you are a victim of "cyber bullying" because people are no longer interested in reading your long, repetitive, rambling diatribes about race relations at UMD? That's rich. I mean, I guess you're right. The more some random, unknown, unverified person posts his cutting expose all over washingtonpost.com sports blog comment sections, the more people tend to believe it. You are definitely doing a service to everyone on here. Your "insider knowledge" is a real benefit to all fans. As a matter of fact, it's very possible that administrators are reading this very blog every five minutes, like yourself, and overhauling their entire hiring system. Bravo.

As a sidenote, I also enjoy the logic at work in Barno's first post. I love Gary Williams + I hate Kevin Anderson = Gary Williams does not think Kevin Anderson has done a good job even though he says he does. Gary does not disagree with Barno!

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

race is one of my fav topics for some reason. maybe its b/c im mixed & get to see it on both the black side and white side. I guess affirmative action depends on what state your in. I do know that it can help (yes I said help) ALL types of ppl. When I was a Frosh at Hampton I had a few classmates who were both older white dudes, one was 27 the other in his mid 30's & married. I thought he was our teacher (both of them were also white btw). I remember asking them why they came to an HBCU. The main reason was b/c they were given a good financial aid package (because they were white) and the other was b/c the school was close to home. Later when I found out I scored higher on my SAT's than the old dude did (he told me in the spring semester what he scored)yet he got more $$. I was surprised. Did it bother me? Yea a little. But oh well who cares. They took advantage of the system, good for them.

At UT Austin, AA was revoked. The following year the law school there didn't admit 1 black applicant. I find it hard to believe that there were no quality black applicants. However, Texas has been known for having race related issues. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to link A&B together there...

As a UM Alum, I am proud that we are ahead of the curve when it comes to hiring women & minorities. I'm even more proud that we admit and graduate more minorities than most pub Ivy schools do. Im pretty sure that the hiring of Yow 15yrs ago was an inspiration to some little white girl as the hiring of KA will be for some little black boy. In 20 years we could see more female/black AD's. And to think that UMD was one the institutions that lead the way, well that would be freaking awsome! All UMD fans should be proud of that.

Fear the Turtle...

Posted by: dasilva_ryan | January 27, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

dasilva_ryan,

Good comments. I too am mixed race and that too may be a reason why I am so interested in the issue. It's refreshing to discuss this issue with people that don't resort to personal attacks (see marylandarlington's constant lame attacks) and people calling each other racists.

That's some interesting anecdotal evidence you provided. There are however a number of studies which document that racial preferences by and large actually hurt the very people they are intended to help. By giving an artificial boost in, say, college admissions, you are putting unprepared people in a position where they are much more likely to fail. The numbers back this up. At schools like Maryland that have a heavy degree of racial preferences in admissions, the numbers show that blacks and, to a somewhat lesser degree Hispanics, take longer to graduate, have a much higher drop out rate, and their grades are not on par with other students. When you ban racial preferences at public schools, as a number of states have done through ballot initiatives (including California, Nebraska, Michigan, and most recently Arizona), not only have we not seen a decrease in minorities attending college, we have actually seen an increase. The difference is minorities in these states are no longer being accepted to schools in which they are not academically prepared, and therefore end up at schools like UC-Irvine, UC-Santa Barbara, etc where they have shown they are more much LESS likely to drop out and much MORE likely to succeed and graduate on time.

So, in my view, the number one reason--among many--to oppose schools and other institutions picking winners and losers based on skin color is because the practice itself often hurts the very people it is intended to help.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"I love Gary Williams + I hate Kevin Anderson = Gary Williams does not think Kevin Anderson has done a good job even though he says he does. Gary does not disagree with Barno!"

I know you read the Terps Insider Marylandarlington...why don't you take a look at the comments about this exact same Gary interview. Several people noted that Gary HAD to say he thinks Kevin Anderson has done a good job when questioned about it publicly. KA is his boss, first of all. Second of all, he just saw one of his peers who, like Gary, was also the reigning ACC COY get fired by KA. It's not just me doubting that Gary really believes that...so please, grow up dude.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gary, how about doing a better job of recruiting in state players. Blue Collar basketball will only take you so far and in the famous words of Rick Pitino.
Juan Dixon, Steve Blake, and Lonnie Baxter aren't walking through that door!!

Posted by: majick66 | January 27, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I had fun at the Military Bowl

Posted by: jpfterps | January 27, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

didn't you leave at halftime after tossing papa johns on the cameraman's ear?

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"It's refreshing to discuss this issue with people that don't resort to personal attacks." -Barno1

"...so please, grow up dude." -Barno1

"It's only an attack when it's directed at me or my opinions. DUH." -Barno1 while reading this

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

If you want to win more people over, you might try not name-calling...

Posted by: marylandarlington | December 29, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I have to question your intelligence. If you believe that Eric Prisbell contributed to Friedgen being fired, you are stupid.

Posted by: marylandarlington | December 31, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Lol.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Marylandarglington, you are the worst. I don't get ticked off very easily by online comments but reading you telling others not to name-call and then calling people stupid and questioning their intelligence just makes you look like a total fool. What you are basically admitting is you have one standard for youself and another standard for everyone else. Great way to live your life man.

Posted by: MTerps98 | January 27, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I am not denying that I stooped to name-calling when people say things that I think are dumb. But you should acknowledge that you do the same thing and not act like you are above it.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Marylandarglington, you are the worst. I don't get ticked off very easily by online comments but reading you telling others not to name-call and then calling people stupid and questioning their intelligence just makes you look like a total fool. What you are basically admitting is you have one standard for youself and another standard for everyone else. Great way to live your life man.

Posted by: MTerps98 | January 27, 2011 4:55 PM


Cool new screenname, Barno.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you just roll your eyes. Here’s a news flash for the know-it alls among us. Just because you feel a certain way doesn’t mean you are right, and it doesn’t mean that everyone in their right mind feels the same way that you do. And just because you throw out some totally unsupported “fact,” such as there’s only a 1% probability that two African Americans can be the finalist for a position, you’d better show your work, because otherwise, most of us (those in our right minds) assume that you pulled that number right out of your butt. Pulling numbers out of your butt doesn’t improve your credibility; it only makes you appear foolish, arrogant, and probably biased. And don’t say someone made a good hire, and yet they’re still doing a bad job, because that only increases the appearance of foolishness and bias. By the way, there’s been plenty of criticism of Ralph Friedgen over the past few years, so don’t make it seem like the decision to fire him was indefensible just because you didn’t think he should have been fired. Finally, you have no idea whether Yow could have gotten Maryland into a bowl other than the Maryland Bowl or not, so laying that totally at the feet of the athletic director is asinine. Go peddle that swill at your neighborhood bar, where you might find people who think you know everything. Plenty of thinking men and women feel differently.

Posted by: sonny2 | January 27, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

sonny2, you said it better than I ever could. Unfortunately, your rational thought is going to fall on deaf and confrontational ears. I have a strong feeling that most reading these blogs agree with everything you said, though.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

And just because you throw out some totally unsupported “fact,” such as there’s only a 1% probability that two African Americans can be the finalist for a position, you’d better show your work, because otherwise, most of us (those in our right minds) assume that you pulled that number right out of your butt. Pulling numbers out of your butt doesn’t improve your credibility; it only makes you appear foolish, arrogant, and probably biased.

Posted by: sonny2 | January 27, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse
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Sonny2,

12.9% of Americans are black
17.5% of black Americans have at least a bachelor's degree (a requirement for an AD job at a public university)
Multiply .129 by .175, then divide this number by 2 for the 2 black finalists.

= 1%

Now where is my apology? Not exactly pulling this number out of my butt my friend.

The unfortunate truth is the pool of eligible black applicants is relatively tiny. So yes, the chances that the 2 finalists for UMD's AD position were both African Americans (Warde Manuel and Kevin Anderson) just by chance are approximately 1%.

Whether you like it or not, UMD administrators weigh race heavily in their decisions. Denying this only makes you look foolish, arrogant, and probably biased.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Are people still upset that Ralph is gone? I agree that the way the AD did it was totally classless and an invitation to ill-will, but come on, Terps football has been a total joke for 3 or 4 decades. They had one good year about 10 years ago in the worst major conference out there. DC football talent is better than it's ever been and Ralph got a laughably small percentage of recruits (yet people are mad at Gary for refusing to slime himself with the Baltimore AAU system to get those recruits -- what does he think this is, an institution of higher learning?).

Okay, Ralph's lack of success had a lot to do with the fact that the Maryland community doesn't care about college football, only college hoops. Who does that remind me of? Oh yeah, UConn, whom Edsall catapulted from I-AA to the BCS (albeit in a conference that's almost as perennially terrible these days as the ACC) in a blink of an eye. And this guy did it recruiting in the Northeast, a true no-man's-land for homegrown football talent.

With fans like these it's no wonder the Terps have been a JV football program for so long.

Posted by: justin_timberwolf | January 27, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

12.9% of Americans are black
17.5% of black Americans have at least a bachelor's degree (a requirement for an AD job at a public university)

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 6:52 PM

And common sense tells us that the applicant pool for this position included the entire population of the U.S. Excellent use of statistics.

It would be just plain silly to assume that the sports administration fields from which most applicants came from might possibly have a larger percentage of African Americans than the general population of the an nation. I mean, I think that if there is one thing we can all agree on, it's that the field of athletics there is a very small percentage of black people.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

And common sense tells us that the applicant pool for this position included the entire population of the U.S. Excellent use of statistics.

It would be just plain silly to assume that the sports administration fields from which most applicants came from might possibly have a larger percentage of African Americans than the general population of the an nation. I mean, I think that if there is one thing we can all agree on, it's that the field of athletics there is a very small percentage of black people.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse
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Barno1, you just got Jimmered!!!!!

Posted by: justin_timberwolf | January 27, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow Marylandarlington, I knew you weren't intelligent, but I didn't know it was this bad. I'm sorry, so what you are saying is that there are more blacks in the field of college Athletic Department administrators? Talk about pulling things out of your butt. Not only is the above statement a figment of your imagination, it's insulting to make such a broad generalization without anything whatsoever to support such a ridiculous claim.

Newsflash to Marylandarglington: just because there are more black athletes per capita in college athletics does not mean there are more blacks per capita pursuing jobs in college Athletic Departments. I can't believe this don't understand this.

And as for your first ridiculous point about age, you have got to be kidding me. You do realize if we looked at just the percentage of blacks over the age of 40 with college degree (there are very, very few Athletic Directors under the age of 40), than this would only STRENGTHEN my argument about how unlikely it is that UMD had 2 black finalists by accident? You do realize this right?

I can't believe I'm even entertaining these questions. Marylandarlington has demonstrated repeatedly that he/she is hellbent on denying the reality that UMD has a penchant for racial preferences in hiring, no matter how strong the evidence is stacked against him/her.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

* should have said:

I can't believe YOU don't understand this.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Terps football has been a total joke for 3 or 4 decades. They had one good year about 10 years ago in the worst major conference out there.
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Justin Timberman, I stopped reading your comment after this comment. It's hard to take you seriously when you claim that 9, 10, 11 win seasons that culminate in blowout wins in the Gator Bowl, Peach Bowl, Champs Bowl etc aren't "good."

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

African American males make up 3 percent of all Americans with 4 year college degrees. So, at most, there's a 1.5% chance MD had 2 black finalists by chance. But if you factor in work experience and age, I agree that it's got to be less than 1%.

Why are people denying this?

Posted by: this_guy | January 27, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Haha, what did I ever say about age? Where do you get this stuff? I can understand if your misread something I say, but I never said the word "age" in my entire post. Jeez, Barno, I knew you weren't intelligent, but this is just getting ridiculous.

Also, this_guy (another Barno alter ego), do you not understand statistics? The pool of applicants for this job was not "all Americans with four year degrees." I have a four year degree and I did not apply. I am assuming based on your post that you don't have a four year degree, but if you did, I'm guessing you didn't apply either. You are taking a percentage based on a larger sample and applying it to a miniscule sample as if that is fact. It is not a fact that out of everyone who applied for this job that 3% of them were African Americans. You can argue with your wikipedia statistics, but if you don't understand what statistics are in the first place, you're not making any sense.

As for "hiring based on racial preferences," I'm not denying that Maryland or any other employer does this. And I didn't say I agree with it. My entire point is that a) unless you were on the search committee, you cannot prove this was fact (despite your math whiz evidence) and b) until Kevin Anderson proves himself to be bad for UMD, who the heck cares?

IN conclusion, you have made your point over and over and over again. Everyone knows what you think. Why do you have to keep ramming it down everyone's throat? You're not changing anything anywhere. If you want to rally against this practice, these boards are not the venue.

go terps.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Justin Timberman, I stopped reading your comment after this comment. It's hard to take you seriously when you claim that 9, 10, 11 win seasons that culminate in blowout wins in the Gator Bowl, Peach Bowl, Champs Bowl etc aren't "good."

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse
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Sorry, the Terps had 2 good seasons (2002 & 2003), the last of which was 8 years ago. Although the Emerald Bowl, Champs Sports Bowl, Humanitarian Bowl, and Military Bowl are just as prestigious as they sound, I'm sure, especially if you've ever heard of them.

Look, I am a die-hard Terps basketball fan, and my father and granddad are both alums, but you're delusional if you think their football team is anything but JV. You should be thanking God that Edsall is there. I mean, seriously, the Steve Slaton fiasco, where Friegen signed him and then backed out only to be torched for 150 in the 1st quarter . . . I mean not only was it classless on Friegen's part but it makes it hard to feel too sad for him.

Posted by: justin_timberwolf | January 27, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

this_guy, amen to my "alterego."

marylandarlington, let's cut the insults--I'm guilty of it too, but let's just get back to what you are disputing because you're starting to confuse me with what exactly you are disputing (and yes, I have a degree. From UMD. You?).

You don't believe my estimate that only 2% of the pool of applicants are black males because you contend there are more blacks involved in college athletic jobs per capita...is that a proper reading of you position? I just want to check with you before I go to the trouble of destroying this claim.

"My entire point is that a) unless you were on the search committee, you cannot prove this was fact"

Of course I can't prove it as fact. That's why I say a 1% chance, which I stand by based on the pool of those eligible.

"Until Kevin Anderson proves himself to be bad for UMD, who the heck cares?"

Well, let's put aside the fact that many alumni feel he has already failed tremendously by embarrassing the university with his handling of Coach Friedgen. I happen to think whether or not he ends up succeeding or not is irrelevant to whether a publicly funded university should be allowed to pick winners and losers based on skin color. Debbie Yow admitted that "affirmative hiring is part of the very fabric at UMD." That should be concerning to those of us, the vast majority of the American public, that feel race and ethnicity should play no role in hiring.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, the Terps had 2 good seasons (2002 & 2003), the last of which was 8 years ago. Although the Emerald Bowl, Champs Sports Bowl, Humanitarian Bowl, and Military Bowl are just as prestigious as they sound, I'm sure, especially if you've ever heard of them."
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Justin Timberlake,

2001 + 2002 + 2003 = 2 good seasons? Huh? My arithmetic might not be that sharp but by my count those are 3 good seasons right there.

As for mocking the Champs Bowl season, are you being serious or are you joking? 9 wins and a blowout win in the 3rd highest ACC bowl in the pecking order is not a good season? Really? 9 wins this year with a freshman All American QB behind a bunch of freshman and sophomores on the O-line is not a good year? The media seemed to think it was pretty good, voting Fridge as ACC Coach of Year and the most All ACC first teamers of any school.

I'll tell you, I am not the least bit surprised you didn't go to MD. Your standards are so obviously those of someone who didn't suffer through the 90s of Terps football.


Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

My degree is also from UMD.

Here's the thing - at this point, I think your logic is flawed and you think mine is flawed. Time to agree to disagree. Please don't use this as an excuse to continue to try to convince me you're right.

Like I said before, my entire point is that we can't know exactly how or why he or anyone was hired unless we did the hiring. We've all seen that Debbie Yow quote a thousand times by now, it's become white noise. But he was hired and that's that. If you disagree with affirmative action hirings, that is entirely within your rights and I don't begrudge you trying to make your disagreement known. I just don't think this is the venue. These blogs are about Maryland athletics, not hiring practices. You can disagree with your interpretation (don't mean that as an insult) of how he was hired, but the fact is that he is the AD now and you might as well support the school, and by association, him. What's done is done. The long-lost subject of this post was Gary Williams calling for unity. Your posts seem to be the antithesis at this point.

Over and out.

Posted by: marylandarlington | January 27, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record, I really do wish that more minorities and women were in these kinds of high level positions of authority. I just don't think the right way to go about it is to give the artificial boost in the hiring process. There is a major skills gap between whites/Asians and blacks/Hisapnics in this country and it starts at the elementary level not at the secondary, college, or employment level. We as a nation desperately need to fix the skills gap, instead of sweeping it under the carpet with affirmative action.

Lastly, I hope to hell I am wrong about Anderson. Trust me, if Randy Edsall puts MD into BCS bowls, I will be the first person on these blogs admitting how wrong I was to question Anderson's competence.

Go Terps

Posted by: Barno1 | January 27, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Barno1-

Hey you look like you are good with numbers.

If a train with 100 people traveling 60 miles/per hour leaves Philly headed to Union Station. When that train arrives how many asians will be on the train? And will it be due to Affirmative Action? and WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING???

Go Terps

Posted by: DCFanCouncil | January 28, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

DCFanCouncil shows us that yet again, the affirmative action discussion just goes way over some people's heads. If you don't understand it, why comment?

Posted by: Barno1 | January 28, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

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