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Posted at 10:21 AM ET, 01/19/2011

Ryan Clark on Redskins vs. Steelers

By Dan Steinberg

1) The Pittsburgh Steelers are still alive in the NFL playoffs.

2) A full six percent of the Pittsburgh Steelers' roster used to play for the Washington Redskins, in the persons of Shaun Suisham, Antwaan Randle El and Ryan Clark.

3) There is no greater media service to the world than interviewing ex-Redskins about the Redskins.

4) What, you want more ruminations on Alex Ovechkin's scoring slump?

And thus, here is the key moment from Ryan Clark's Tuesday appearance on TBD's Parker & Parker, when he was asked about the difference between the Redskins and the Steelers. He's probably answered this question 10 previous times, but the answer still resonates.

"I think the biggest difference is just the mentality of the area we're in," Clark said. "I think if you look at Pittsburgh, it's really just a town of hard workers, a town of blue-collar people, and they appreciate that in their team. They want to see hard work, they want to see you lay your heart on the line every week to try to win football games. And they take it probably harder than we do when we lose.

"I think in Washington you just have so much going on. You have such an organization built on putting people in the seats and finding extravagant ways to do things, instead of winning football games all the time. You know, I loved playing in Washington. It was a great place. And they just go about their business a little differently than the Pittsburgh Steelers do.

"I think right now, though, they may be on the right track. And hopefully they can get it on track, because I still have friends there. But I love being a Pittsburgh Steeler."

By Dan Steinberg  | January 19, 2011; 10:21 AM ET
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Comments

Pittsburgh, like Chicago, is a great sports town plain and simple and I think that the blue collar, working class roots Ryan Clark describes are spot on as a key contributor to this. Not to take anything away from New York or Boston, but there is a history that people appreciate along with a relatively stable population which takes a long-term view on their teams.

It also helps that the Steelers have such a stable organization which doesn't do anything flashy...it just acts consistently smart

Posted by: AlligatorArms | January 19, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

His analysis is a conflation of demographics and ownership goals. Like no one in DC wants to root for a hard-working, winning team? Puh-lease.

By his logic, Pittsburgh is a town full of steroid-using rapists who appreciate seeing steroid-fueled Super Bowl victories and rapist-led touchdown drives.

Posted by: ThisGuy | January 19, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Dude was a flat out beast...a good guy who played hard...nice move Vinny

Posted by: rc2223 | January 19, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I think he needs to learn his history before he pops off his mouth. Note to RC dont define our area by our owner.

Posted by: clwalker1906 | January 19, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

@Alligator Arms. Yeah, "Big Ben" is consistently smart.

Worst comment EVER.

Posted by: GoSkins1 | January 19, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

He forgot the biggest difference: how racist they are. I can't believe he hasn't experienced that yet.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 19, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

He's 100 percent correct about the area. We do have alot going on in this city. However, that doesn;t usually affect the passion for the Redskins. What's adversely effecting the passion for the Redskins is how the owner has consistently downgraded the onfield product and made the organization into an annual soap opera. The fan base that used to be rabid about the Skins is dwindling and finding other stuff to do and the younger football fans coming up are finding other teams and players to root for. Just as winning creates fans, losing can cause potential fans to go somewhere else.

Posted by: poeticfire | January 19, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

He forgot the biggest difference: how racist they are. I can't believe he hasn't experienced that yet. And they haven't been a blue-collar town since hey closed all of the mills in he 80s. All of those people have left and live everywhere else.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 19, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Pittsburgh, like Chicago, is a great sports town plain and simple and I think that the blue collar, working class roots Ryan Clark describes are spot on as a key contributor to this. Not to take anything away from New York or Boston, but there is a history that people appreciate along with a relatively stable population which takes a long-term view on their teams.

It also helps that the Steelers have such a stable organization which doesn't do anything flashy...it just acts consistently smart

Posted by: AlligatorArms | January 19, 2011 10:35 AM

+1

Six rings, and a seventh possible. Three coaches in the team's history. And their stadium is packed every home game with their OWN fans... not with 30 percent of the opponent's fans, as is the case in Washington.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | January 19, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Clark hasn't played for the Skins in 5 years. That's 3 coaches ago. Why not ask him about his 2 years with the Giants. Did anyone realize he once played in New York?

Posted by: dph60 | January 19, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow, lot of hatred. So, have the people that is saying Pittsburgh is a racist lived there or just popping off?

Poeticfire:
Here's a good post from a years ago.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/11/steelers_fans_forced_skins_int.html


Remember this game when the Skins were 6-2 and tied for first place. Some passion!

Posted by: Loggie1 | January 19, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

RC has good takes.
plenty of racism in Pitt, but this is the USA. Plenty here, too; thats why Rhee and Fenty are gone...
Snyder is finally growing up, it will get better, but will DC care AS MUCH?

Posted by: mloaks | January 19, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I didn't know you had to live somewhere to experience racism from that place. Not saying it's a racist area but I don't think living there is a prereq.

Posted by: clwalker1906 | January 19, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Whatever, Steelers fans can't talk because they've never experienced anything like the past 11 years for the Redskins. Enjoy an awful owner and circus sideshow of a team, and see what happens. I went to a Pirates game last year and I swear it was a Dodgers home game. Secondly, the federal government is in DC, not Pittsburgh. I don't see thousands of out-of-towners with their own sports allegiances moving to steel town PA. Not to knock Pittsburgh, I had fun visiting, but them the facts.

Posted by: Andymr | January 19, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line difference between the two teams is stability. The Redskins have been inept at the ownership and management level since Snyder became the owner. He is a great businessman but horrible owner. Throwing away draft picks has been this organization's downfall for years. If you look at the stable organizations like the Steelers and Patriots, they load up on draft picks and choose players that fit their schemes and keep them. They dip their toe into free agency but only to patch a glaring need (See Flozell Adams). The Redskins jump with both feet into free agency to gain the headlines which may not translate into winning games.

If you look at the number of coaches each team has had, enough said. Steelers had 3 coaches (Noll, Cowher and Tomlin) in 40 years. Redskins may have 3 in one season. Until the Redskins understand the benefits of the draft (Patriots have 3 first round draft picks this year) and stability, they will never win another Super Bowl. I have more faith in Allen and Shanahan as long as Danny keeps his hands off the team.

Posted by: opieterp | January 19, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of hogwash! I've lived in a lot of NFL cities over the years.Redskin fans are as intense and committed as any I have ever seen.Some of the owners aren't worthy of their fans but that's a whole other story.

Posted by: bowspray | January 19, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of hogwash! I've lived in a lot of NFL cities over the years.Redskin fans are as intense and committed as any I have ever seen.Some of the owners aren't worthy of their fans but that's a whole other story.

Posted by: bowspray | January 19, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I love these guys always find someone else to blame for their failures. Hey buddy, the organization, the coaches, the fans, the city, etc, etc, is not to blame for the inabilities and lack of effort of the players. Look in the mirror and ask yourself: How can I be better.

Posted by: hock1 | January 19, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone think Pittsburgh (arm-pit of the US) is the greatest thing since sliced bread? Have you been there lately?? It is a dreary, old, depressing town! I'll take DC over Pitt any day!

As for the workman mentality, what else are they going to focus on?? All they have in Pittsburgh are the Steelers and the Penguins.

By the way, the Steelers have a great history but they weren't always successful. They had their lean years too.

The biggest differnce between the two franchises is the ownership and management.

Otherwise, there is NO comparison between DC and Pitt..... come on!

Posted by: skinfannomore | January 19, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

It has nothing to do with the attitude of the people in the city. It has everything to do with the owner and organization of the franchise.

Posted by: richs91 | January 19, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the poster... DC is the melting pot of the United states... witht he federal Govt centralized here, we have people who hail from different parts of the country that have loyal ties to their hometown teams... when you have cities like Cleveland, Pitt, Cinci, Baltimore that are small suburban cities, they tend to be sheltered with thsoe cheering fans but at the end of the day, it comes down to winning.... if you start to win and dominate... you will see very little opposition colors in that stadium! Besides, we have an owner that is willing to trade winning for making money at any angle possible.... that is why you also see a lot of other team jerseys i nthe stands at FedEx... a filled seat equals money made (See my owner point above)

Posted by: rvanags | January 19, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing beastly about Ryan Clark. I've seen him get beat in Pittsburgh the same way he was getting beat with the skins.

I will say that he seems to be hitting MUCH harder with the steelers than when he was here, but maybe being on what you KNOW is a championship caliber team might have something to do with that.

What I've noticed is how quiet and professional players on the steelers and patriots have been during the playoffs while skins players like Portis were so caught up in what announcers and analysts were saying about them than being focused on winning games.

It's good to hear ex-players confirm what the fans had thought and believed all along. Thanks Ryan.

No need to talk to Jason Campbell. His quiet attitude and actions spoke for themselves as he had a much better season than team that so disrespected him and then shipped him off to Oakland.

The you have to ask yourself have the skins REALLY turned the corner when they said they were rebuilding yet the coach sought a deal for an aging QB that turned out to be a big disappointment.

Posted by: keedrow | January 19, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

@GoSkins1: I never said that the players were smart, just the organization.

Is Pittsburgh a "better" city than DC? I guess it depends on how you measure it, but by and large I prefer living here (Northern Virginia) over the South Side where I spent most of my youth. As far as fans go, then ENTIRE city seems to be behind Pittsburgh teams and not just hopping on the bandwagon.

The Pirates are a disappointment, but being a small market team does create a lot of challenges. Not an excuse since Philly is not that much bigger, but it is a factor.

Posted by: AlligatorArms | January 19, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The corridor that starts at Boston, goes through New York, Philly then Washington is populated by obnoxious, rude and dangerous people. This corridor is driven by greed and power, a "get the hell out of my way, I 'm in a hurry attitude". I have lived in it for 47 years after being born and raised in the Midwest where people are much like the folks from the South with out the charming accents.
Hell, one only has to go to Baltimore to meet a different type of people. I can't wait to leave this area upon retirement and move where this ethic does not exist to the extent is does here.

Posted by: chopin224 | January 19, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"Ryan Clark hasn't played for the Skins in 5 years. That's 3 coaches ago. Why not ask him about his 2 years with the Giants. Did anyone realize he once played in New York?"

As I have always said: safties = a dime a dozen.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 19, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Does "blue-collar" town just mean that they're poor? How does a town whose economy is carried by financial services and healthcare qualify as blue collar? I think Ryan just means that they're poor and sort of grotesque looking. That and he's listening to ESPN and/or delusional local sports radio too much.

Posted by: RickFelt | January 19, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

chopin224 is quite right. Having met many Ohio State and Longhorn fans, I'd have to say they are the kindess and least obnoxious people around (SARCASM ALERT).

Posted by: Andymr | January 19, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody seriously not think that if Little Danny swapped with the Rooneys, within 5 years the Skins would be contending for the SB and the Steelers would be planning a trade for an aging DL with their #10 draft choice?

Posted by: sparman | January 19, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

What is so funny is that the Skins fans have always loved the hard working grunts. We are blue collar fans.

We are the home of THE HOGS!! It doesn't get more blue collar than that.

Outside of SJ9, have we had a glamor QB?

Our RBs have mostly been grinders, from the rugged Larry Brown to the rugged and slightly psycho Johh Riggins.

Art Monk was the hard working WR that moved the chains and handed the ball to the ref after a TD. And got the longest standing ovation ever when he was inducted in the HOF from Redskin fans.

This isn't a 'diva' town when it comes to football. The most admired Redskins have always been the blue collar guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I too am tired of hearing how great Pittsburgh is or any other city is compared to Washington, from people who... LIVE IN WASHINGTON.

I can't wait for people like chopin224 to leave our area instead of complaining about it.

The loudest people complaining about the traffic or the home values or the yuppies, are the people who have made DC what it is today, transplants

Posted by: macey21 | January 19, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Andmyr, we have a disagreement in terms, you are talking about college students. Having been one until Viet Nam called, I can safely say they are not people. Throw in the rabid support for the teams at the football factories and were talking a whole different species. Macey21 is probably one of those cretins who speed from lane to lane in heavy rush hour traffic, endangering many while gaining but seconds. You don't have to wait long oh ye of juvenile development

Posted by: chopin224 | January 19, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I live in Washington, DC and LOVE it. I just think their football fans passion and loyalty is overrated. I never thought that until that Monday night game a few years against the Steelers when the Skins are 6-2 and tied for first place and the place consisted of 35,000 Steeler fans with terrible towels. What a poor turnout. There's no excuse for this.

Posted by: Loggie1 | January 19, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Lived in both. No way to compare the 2 cities.
Not sure why the whole "blue collar" thing persists...Pittsburgh's population peaked in the '50s and has steadily declined since. It's nothing like the old manufacturing past with the economy now based in healthcare, IT, financial services and education.
It was named top city to live by Forbes this past year after placing 2nd the previous.
But most people there are native to the area.
DC is about as opposite of that as possible. Lots of transplants to the area and its difficult to say what the DC area's economy would be based on if the government and its affiliated contractors were not there.
But I remember when the Skins were THE team in the area in the late '80s and early '90s.
There's just no good way to try to compare them.

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | January 19, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

It's the organization, not the fans that win games.

Posted by: Theone9 | January 19, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I miss Ryan Clark, but I am so over the whole "blue collar work ethic of Pittsburgh" storyline. It is cliche, and at this point, false. The steel mills left in the 70s. THE 70s!! Stop talking about it. Pittsburgh has reinvented itself as a hub for banking and healthcare. Such a joke.

Posted by: jpfterps | January 19, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

With StubHub, etc., Redskins tickets are an "investment." "Fans" that have season tickets sell them online to the fans of visiting teams, hoping to make a profit. Thus, you have 35,000 Steelers supporters at FedEx.

As for Pittsburgh, the city has enjoyed a tremendous transformation, from steel to healthcare, education and banking. But outside the city limits -- central PA and West Virginia, for example -- the region is still blue collar (the God and guns crowd those in San Francisco hate so much).

A white collar University of Pittsburgh professor from Oakland is not going to spend his Sunday afternoon in 22-degree weather waiving a terrible towel. But a car shop owner from Weirton will.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | January 19, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I love the "stable franchise" argument that is put forth as a reason for the Steelers' and Patriots' recent success. While it is true that Snyder is a dope who has helped run the Redskins into the ground, let's see how "stable" the Steelers and Patriots are when their future Hall of Fame QB's are no longer behind center.

It used to be Eddie Debartolo, the owner of the 49ers was a "genius". He lucked out by hitting the football lottery twice in having Montana and Young (HOF QB's) play QB back to back.

Jerry Jones was a genius too, until Troy Aikman retired. Now he's as dopey as Snyder. Even bootlegger Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl with Aikman, Irvin and Smith. Kurt Warner made long time mediocre coach Dick Vermeil a champion. Get the drift?

So I say to you "proud" former citizens of football cities whose teams have experienced a nice run of recent success: live it up while the gettins good. And expect to see a healthy dose of Green Bay and Atlanta (and dare I say it: POSSIBLY Tampa Bay and Detroit) fighting for inclusion as the NFC rep in the Super Bowl for the next several years.

Posted by: columbiapike | January 19, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

You argue Pittsburgh and New England aren't stable franchises... and then you use teams OTHER than those two to make your point?

Nonsensical.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | January 19, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

@Rand-al-Thor - You're wrong. I never asserted that New England and Pittsburgh are not "stable" franchises. Where do I say that? What does "stable franchise" mean, by the way? I point out (correctly) that Pittsburgh and New England currently have two future hall of fame QB's. Just like SF, Dallas and the Rams did the last time those franchises sniffed any success.

This is my point: the root of New England's and Pittsburgh's recent success is not due to "franchise stability", the loyalty/blue collar ethic of their players or "fans", or because their coaches are geniuses, but rather because they have hall of fame performers at the most critical position on the field. Please don't refer to my argument as "nonsensical" without understanding what argument I'm making.

Are the Eagles a "stable" franchise in your opinion? I'd argue the Eagles are as "stable" as any franchise in the league, given the tenure of their coach. What have they won? Have they ever had a HOF QB at the helm? You almost need a hall of fame QB to win a Super Bowl, unless you have a record setting defense (see 85 Bears and 2000 Ravens) or Joe Gibbs I at the helm.

If it makes you feel superior to cite some inherent organizational quality unique to the Steelers as the reason why they're good right now, go for it. But as I recall, they went a quarter of a century between Super Bowl wins, didn't they? (Although kudos to Cowher who took them to the SB with Cordell Stewart at QB. Now that's an accomplishment).

Posted by: columbiapike | January 19, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Bragging about the character of a team led by a rapist. It must be a blue collar thing.

Posted by: LouisTheRogue | January 19, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

hock1,

Are you sober? What failures is he blaming on someone else? His good fortune to get out this miserable system and join a winning franchise?


I love these guys always find someone else to blame for their failures. Hey buddy, the organization, the coaches, the fans, the city, etc, etc, is not to blame for the inabilities and lack of effort of the players. Look in the mirror and ask yourself: How can I be better.

Posted by: hock1 | January 19, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinny11 | January 19, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Chopin224: you come across as a very angry and obtuse person. Please leave my hometown as soon as possible oh king of all unbearable d-bags.

Posted by: dcfan1 | January 19, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Clark hit the nail on the head! The organization is to focused on marketing and making money. It's sad what Mr. Snyder has done to the franchise. He has forgotten where he came from and what made the Redskins special during the glory days. The team has become a reflection of the community...money driven, short sighted, and impatient. Most of the real fans can't afford a ticket. I've been to games and saw more people interested in drinking beer than watching the game a supporting the team. The real fans stay home and watch the game on tv where they can enjoy it! Hey, at least the team is making money....sad.

Posted by: skenyi | January 19, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Clark hit the nail on the head! The organization is to focused on marketing and making money. It's sad what Mr. Snyder has done to the franchise. He has forgotten where he came from and what made the Redskins special during the glory days. The team has become a reflection of the community...money driven, short sighted, and impatient. Most of the real fans can't afford a ticket. I've been to games and saw more people interested in drinking beer than watching the game a supporting the team. The real fans stay home and watch the game on tv where they can enjoy it! Hey, at least the team is making money....sad.

Posted by: skenyi | January 19, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Clark hit the nail on the head! The organization is to focused on marketing and making money. It's sad what Mr. Snyder has done to the franchise. He has forgotten where he came from and what made the Redskins special during the glory days. The team has become a reflection of the community...money driven, short sighted, and impatient. Most of the real fans can't afford a ticket. I've been to games and saw more people interested in drinking beer than watching the game a supporting the team. The real fans stay home and watch the game on tv where they can enjoy it! Hey, at least the team is making money....sad.

Posted by: skenyi | January 19, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

'blue-collar' as applied to sports fans = slovenly, 99.9% white fat guys & (also white) *GROSS* females

Posted by: JohnnyBlades | January 19, 2011 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Right on the head and to the point.

You can tell why his is a success somewhere else and not here.

We may get there one of these days again...

Posted by: Tobor58 | January 20, 2011 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Accusations of racism in Pittsburgh coming from fans of the Washington REDSKINS?

The team that was owned by the guy who said "We'll start signing Negroes when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites."

The team that was forced to desegregate by the federal government in 1962?

That's comical.

Posted by: lastort1 | January 20, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

dcfan,
Actually, you come across as inordinately angry.
Chopin224 simply prefers Pittsburgh to DC. So what! You're entitled to your preference too.
Given that Pittsburgh was just ranked #1 city in the country by Forbes based upon whatever specific criteria he does have a valid point. I'm pretty sure Forbes didn't base that ranking on simply the NFL franchise.
Today's WaPo has a story about DC having the worst traffic in the nation(I can't imagine this is actually news to anyone who has ever lived in the DC area). Can't imagine THAT makes life in the DC area more attractive.
Try some decaf...the guy is allowed to have an opinion(and enjoy your 3 days wasted in traffic in '11).

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | January 20, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The fact is, the Redskins gave an undersized but tough safety a chance when the NY Giants wouldn't. The 'Skins recognized his talent and positioned him to succeed. Unfortunately, the team squandered so much Cap space it couldn't keep Clark. As for the area, there are a lot of hard working people in the DC area who possess a blue collar work ethic. We expect our teams to work hard just as much as any other city does. That's why we've booed the team more in the past ten years than we would have dreamed of doing, even when the Redskins would falter. Still, we hope. We endure the worst stadium commute, buy merchandise even when the team sucks royally, and line up to buy season tickets even when the team sells seats to other teams' fans. Maybe we should stop doing all of that, but I'd say wait until the 2012 season. Give Shanahan two more seasons to build a perennial contender. Then, all of the disappointments will be a distant memory.

Posted by: JHG_sec405 | January 20, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I grew up in Pittsburgh and moved to Virginia when I got my first job. I am not one of those saying that Pittsburgh is a superior city. Both areas have their pluses. I love living in Virginia and have no plans to move back. For a young to middle aged adult, DC can't be beat.

I will say with 100% certainty, however, that the Steelers fans are far more gung ho than the Redskins fans. It is not even close. Go into an IHOP/ Bob Evans/ non fancy restaurant on a Sunday morning in Pittsburgh and you'll find half the people - both employees and customers - wearing Steeler shirts. It is utterly crazy.

Comparably, go in to a non fancy DC restaurant on a Sunday afternoon and you'll discover the place is designated an out-of-town bar for some other city. Steelers/ Browns/ Bills/ Eagles/ Cowboys you name it, there is some restaurant in DC that will specialize in showing those games.

Posted by: niceshoes1 | January 20, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Smalldaddy561: Pipe down. Chopin224 called everyone in DC rude, obnoxious and angry. If that does not qualify as a total D-bag than nothing does. As for Pittsburg being a top desitination city to live in, give me a break. Yeah, there is a line of people itching to move to Pittsburg. Ha! Pack your bags and go home.

Posted by: dcfan1 | January 20, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

A, duh, excuse me, how does losing Randel El even remotely warrant the waste of good ink?
He couldn't catch Bill Clinton foolin' around at a Girl Scout Jamboree..........

Posted by: burro2 | January 20, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

dcfan,
Gee azzclown I can't understand why he would consider people in metropolitan areas like NY, Philly or DC rude...

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | January 20, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is a pitiful fool. He is still using that learning on the job crap in his 12th year as owner. The fans need to revolt and become Ravens fans. That is the only way we can get this fool to sell the team.

Posted by: redskinsalwaysstink | January 20, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Seems like people here are proving his point. If you remember Clark was a pretty good safety here and still is. Stop all the hate and respect what someone who is actually "playing" the game says. Last time I checked when the Skins played the Steelers at home, there was a very large contingent of black and yellow all over the stadium. Not sure Skins fans could get that many seats in Pittsburgh... leave Washington = Shine

Posted by: Jizel | January 20, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

to me Clark was saying that the Steelers have a basic philosophy and stick with it were the Skins under Snyder are always changing.

His statement about things turning around is that he thinks Shanahan is going to get a chance to put together a team and see if it works. I don't have faith in Shanny but if Snyder is finally willing to give a coach three years to develop a team then that is a step forward.

Posted by: Pensfans | January 20, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 said:
"Our RBs have mostly been grinders, from the rugged Larry Brown to the rugged and slightly psycho Johh Riggins."
LOL!!!! ...and that's why Riggo's is the only jersey I wear. :-D

Posted by: ClayDoh19 | January 20, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

dcfan,
Did you read the article about DC...ranked 5th rudest and 31st in friendliness in the US by Travel & Leisure magazine?
Glass of water to wash your foot down moron?

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | January 20, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

RC is full of it. It isn't about the fans. We care as much as Steelers fans. It's about a well run organization vs a bad one. The Steelers consistently develop good players and every once in a while they acquire one like Clark. Hopefully, the new Redskins regime can settle on a system and start farming players that fit.

As far as Randle El goes, they can have him. I would be surprised if they keep him next year though. He's just terrible.

Posted by: Chigliak | January 20, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Organizationally, the Steelers just don't have many changes year over year.
Until Snyder bought the team the same could have been said of the Redskins. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson and its no longer going to be a combination fantasy football draft/three ring circus since hiring Allen and Shanahan.
But the Skins didn't decline overnight...so it may take a bit to fix the issues. Snyder has to fight the urge to "make a splash" signing some free agent simply because he can.

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | January 21, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

For the poster who claimed that "The 'Skins recognized his talent and positioned him to succeed. Unfortunately, the team squandered so much Cap space it couldn't keep Clark."

They let Clark go because they want Adam Archuleta who they made the highest paid safety after letting Clark go.

I am from the Burgh but have lived in DC area since 1965. I like both cities but washington can have their redskins - I continue to bleed black and gold.

Posted by: DavidAu | January 22, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Letting Clark leave via free agency was one of the two or three worst personnel decisions ever made by the Redskins right up there with drafting Ray McDonald in the first round in 1967 and signing Deion Sanders,

Posted by: doolindalton1 | January 22, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This aricle on Ryan Clark has generated some unrelated and bitter responses from transplants to this area. They relocate here to find a good job, and instead of showing some appreciation for the opportunities made available to them, they choose to disparage the entire area and all its people. To the writer who has lived here for 47 years and hated it, that's your fault. Don't wait for retirement, just leave now. Maybe you can find a job in the Midwest digging ditches or something comparable. As for Ryan Clark, his comments were stupid and misplaced. The fans here are just as loyal as those in Pittsburg. He should simply have stated the obvious. The Steelers are a better organization than the Redskins. The fact that the Redskins aren't very good is not the fault of the fans.

Posted by: scg1055 | January 23, 2011 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Steeler fans don't want to win any more than we do. In fact, we probably want it more because it's been forever since the Skins have been winners. Screw Pittsburgh.

Posted by: corky1031 | January 23, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I understand this is a DC article, but some of you are hating on Pittsburgh way too much. Ryan pointed out that the fan base is different, not better, just different. Coming from someone who's played for both teams, how is it that some of you, who have NOT played for these two teams can just discount what he says and even talk trash? Insult the entire city? That's just like a teacher's work day: No class.

I agree with the fans who said ownership is the biggest reason. As soon as the great JKC passed on and the team was left in the hands of his greedy wife and kids who had to sell it to your rich novice owner you went down.

Snyder, who's bad imitation of Steinbrener/Jerry Jones, has left you with a completely dysfunctional team that has ruined QB after QB... now you're talking about ruining Cam Newton too? Please, let this one pass you by and draft Engram or somebody. But please let Newton go to a team that can develop the kid, not ruin him.

Posted by: crtjr | January 23, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

He forgot the biggest difference: how racist they are. I can't believe he hasn't experienced that yet.

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | January 19, 2011 11:15 AM
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I've partied a couple of time in what I think is called "the strip" in Pittsburgh and never had a problem with the people or the police.

Having said that, I've been pulled over twice by the same police officer coming out of Reston Town Center in VA within the last year for driving while black.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | January 24, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Until the Steelers go 20 years without a significant post-season victory, you don't know how good or bad their fans really are. It's easy to stick with your team and be a great fan when your team is winning and is tied for the most superbowl appearances in NFL history.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | January 24, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I grew up in SW PA, lived 20 years in the "burgh" & now over 16 in NOVA. First, I'm insulted by those who brand Pittsburgh as a racist city. If I'm not mistaken, the Redskins were the LAST NFL team to have an African-American on their roster! When I spent a summer here in '64, I knew a black man who worked for a company that owned at least 2 bowling lanes in the area: Seminary Road (where he worked) & the old Pentagon City. 1 evening he came from his place in DC w/ his girlfriend to bowl in Pentagon City & was told to get the hell out...where did he think he was? Still in DC? How about the former governor and U.S. senator from VA referring to an Asian-Indian American born in the US as "Macaca," and asking him to join the real Americans (white) attending his rally? The biggest reason NOVA is no longer as racist as it once was is because of how cosmopolitan it has become w/ all sorts of folks moving into the area, living beside or near each other, or, at the very least, going to school w/ each other from grade school on. It was Dan
Rooney who suggested the "Rooney Rule" that required NFL teams to at least interview 1 minority candidate. It was the Steelers who hired Mike Tomlin to become their head coach. Tomlin is the youngest head coach to ever win a Super Bowl. He's the only head coach to take a team to the Super Bowl twice before he turns 40 years old.

Ok, the Steelers stunk pretty much every year 'til 1972. I remember being able to stroll up to Forbes Field or Pitt Stadium and buy a ticket shortly before kickoff. That didn't mean that the populace of southwestern PA didn't love the Steelers (especially the defense...take a look at the iconical photo of Y. A. Tittle, prcactically decapitated & on his knees in the end zone) or the Pirates. The population in SW PA is more stable than the DC Metro area, the ownership and the management of the Steelers is more stable, and I can tell you for a fact that many of the players on the Steelers team prefer playing for that organization (how many Redskins are ready to bolt from this now sad and dysfunctional organization?).

How can Forbes magazine--a periodical designed to appeal to Yuppies and other folks w/ more than just a little jingle in their pockets, consistently rate Pittsburgh so highly as a place to live? I'll tell you why...because it is a great place to live. Maybe it doesn't have all the $$ and the new housing stock that exists in this area, and maybe the city itself (like DC) needs a lot to lift it out of the doldrums, but it has re-invented itself as a center of high-tech start-ups, education, health care and banking/finance. What has DC done lately besides employ government workers and contractors? You can bet your bottom dollar that I'll be happy to move back there when I retire & get away from the endless traffic jams & the mindless sports fans in this area who curse opposing players in football and hockey without having a full understanding of either game.

Posted by: therapidone | January 24, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit that a lot of the people in the Boston to Washington corrider are not the most nicest people. They can be short, rude, obnoxious, aggressive, crazy, and dangerous. Back before there was mapquest and GPs systems I asked a Philly cop how to get to the zoo, his reply was he didn't have time for that.
In New York 2 or 3 years ago my family and I after embarking from the subway had become unsure of how to get back to our hotel. After informing a guy on the street I was from out of town, I asked him if he knew the way back to our hotel, he looked at me as if I asked could I cut off his right arm. People drive like maniacs in the Philly/New Jersey area cutting in and out like crazy sometimes with only inches to spare, one driver hit my daughter in the back on an off ramp outside Philly and kept right on going as if it was no big deal. I could go on, but you get the drift...

I love the culture, night life, enteratainment, sports teams etc. of the northeast corridor but the demeanor and behavior of the people leave a lot to be desired.

Posted by: 72Redskins | January 24, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I lived in Da Burgh. It IS racist as hell, but they do have a different view of sports than we do.

Sports is a religion in Pittsburgh. They eat, sleep and breathe it there. It is worshiped like a God and it's one reason that the Steelers are my second favorite team. Their passion resonates.

Sports is like government in Washington. Its a way to make a buck, a whole bunch of politicking and hot air, a boatload of money spent..and when it's all said and done not much is accomplished. That's the culture of Washington...and it resonates.

Pittsburgh and Washington, it's the difference between passion and paycheck. You'll work for a paycheck however when the money dries up you are outta there.

But you will always love your God.

Good deal Clark and well stated. We've had plenty of good playoff caliber players. It's the coaching staffs that can't get it together.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | January 24, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, while I'm at it...

Did anyone catch Todd Collins the other night coming off the bench? AAAAAAAAAck!

He did everything he could to throw an interception. 4 total passes and 2 bounced off defenders chest guards. Hit them right in the numbers.

So to the point that was made in these forums in Campbells year number two...is Collins good or is he just a system guy?

CLEARLY A SYSTEM GUY.

Take him out of his system and it's easy to see why he's been a backup for 16 years.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | January 25, 2011 12:37 AM | Report abuse

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