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Readers to Bush, Senate: No Deal

Well, our readers are certainly energized this morning by the deal in the Senate on control of the federal government's domestic spying program, a deal that would grant immunity to telecom companies that have helped in previous surveillance programs. In reviewing the posts so far, I cannot find a single one that supports the Senate's action (and the House's apparent acquiescence). What I do find is a great deal of anger with both political parties and the White House. Very unusual.

We'll start with timscanlon, who said, "I have a real serious problem with the mode of law enforcement and intelligence that has as a primary strategy running around like a chicken with it's head cut off...
There should never be a situation where people involved with investigating American citizens -should not want- to get a warrant from a court. What sort of Barney Fife logic says, `build a case, but without proper rules of evidence and procedure'??..."

cisconwa wrote, "Ahh, yes once again we have the lovely acquiescence our beloved Democrats have become known for---no leadership..."

And stodayxx said, "Let me be clear: Republicans in general have their head in a dark dank place. They are ignorant vicious conniving sliming hypocrits! But, right or wrong, they stick it out!... At this point, Id rather vote for someone who at least presents an appearance of having ideals , and stands up for them. I'm voting republican - any slimey republican!"

storageboy said, "Unacceptable. We do not give out get-out-of-jail free cards."

And we'll close with solvan, who said, "It really is time to start recalling our federal legislators and reclaim our country."

That's all I have time for today; I'm in Toronto attending the annual meeting of the Online News Association where, without question, the subject of reader comments will be discussed again and again. I think they're terrific.

All comments on the telecom bill are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  October 18, 2007; 7:48 AM ET
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Posted by: Lowell Larsen | November 20, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Having abdicated all responsibilities of representation, the Democrats elected in '06 have rolled over, taken the telecom campaign contributions and played dead.
With approval ratings for ALL politicians reaching all time lows, you'd think they'd get the message.
Fox Mulder's motto has now been etched in stone: "Trust No One." I'd add: trust no incumbents. We're voting next year; let's broadcast a message: represent your constituency or lose your seat.

Posted by: peb | October 23, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

excuse me, but since this country is now a one-party political system, and given that Congress has abdicated its responsibilities as representatives of the American people, and seeing as to how the Bill of Rights has been declared null and void by the Supreme Court, you think England will take us back as a colony?

Posted by: Cymric | October 22, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

the answer is simple, wiretap the wiretappers...everyone listens to everyone else...nobody do any work. And, when
China shuts off the electricity...
catburger, anyone?

Posted by: Bert | October 22, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

The real reason the Dems are going to approve the telecom immunity deal is twofold. With his Warrantless Wiretaps Bush has collected so much dirt on Pelosi and the others that blackmail has become common, and to prove it Pelosi cannot allow Impeachment for fear her secrets will be revealed in the trial or press afterwards. It shouldn't take someone like me to point out what the press has known for yrs. If the truth ever comes out about Bush and his cronys, Pelosi will look more like his pardner than the leader of Democratic Party, and her complicity will be known to the country.

Posted by: OneCrankyDem | October 22, 2007 8:09 AM | Report abuse

DEMS and REPUBS are 2 wings of the SAME party...represented by a flying pig...The PIGGY party...and us regular folks (WE THE PEOPLE) are NOT included. Nothing will change till WE stand up (remember what happened to Bushies social security NON-PLAN?)and take a page from that republican Idol Ronnie Reagan...JUST SAY NO!

Posted by: Brenda | October 22, 2007 7:14 AM | Report abuse

"I find that I'm not alone
in my feelings about GWB."

It is sad, but true, that some people will always give up in difficult times. Others never wanted to go that way. So they know their motives are pure.

The important question in difficult times is "What do we do next?"

And the best answer is "Take charge and win."

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | October 21, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

The telephone companies (with a few recent exceptions) have always cooperated with the government. Why punish them now?

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | October 21, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

After reading some of the comments
I find that I'm not alone
in my feelings about GWB. We have
a democrat Congress and House of Representatives. For God's sake impeach the traitor to our country. He has done about everything against our citizens. I have never despised anyone like him. Not one of our young men's life is worth the whole mid East.
They have always been a murdering
bunch of mad men. George W. Bush
is is too. He is a liar, war monger, and is becoming a dictator. Wake up America!

Posted by: Annie | October 20, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I must admit, the BDS Democrats on this blog are funny, you can see the spiral into madness dripping from their posts, a good example is "kgproperty". Very funny and amusing. The domestic surveillance program and Patriot Act are needed now as much as it was needed in late 2001. If they want to listen to me wish my nephew, who lives overseas, Happy Birthday fine. As long as it stops one terrible bio attack or suicide attack in NYC, or anywhere its worth it. You want to dismantle or restrict these programs, thats fine, just wait until the threat from Islamic-Fascists has diminished enough to warrant such a undertaking. What part of the Islamic terrorists "WAR against America and the West" don't you people grasp???
Oh and BDS of course stands for BUSH DERANGEMENT SYNDROME, ... a disorder first documented in early 2001.

Posted by: Boothill | October 20, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Reading all therse comments is like hearing blind men describe an elephant.... there are aspects of the truth in each and wild disparity, too. finding a unified theory is the goal, and some of the implications are hard to digest. Bush was not elected. The voting irregularities were designed and implimented. Enron gouging california had a purpose: raising 50 billion for the Fuhrer, which also got Gov. Grey out! The 50 bil. was the price to fix the WTT debacle, the players, the operators up and down the line, to look the other way. The Bush 2 backup was the BUsh 1 team, same plan, different dates. Saddam would have taken a few billion to dissapear, but they wanted a destroyed Iraq and now Iran. The people in this country are third class. the government workers barely 2nd class. They needed to create another level of oversight- chetoff- to handle operations no one else would, like this current phony story about IED. Yep, we might get bombs going off, but they will have come from Michigan or Arizona, not Iran. The Dems are also complicitious in this fiasco, since they do nothing. It has all been a grand production to deliver the power and wealth of this nation into the firm grip of the few, whose goals are not honorable. They
are following a script that might be diabolical, but certainly is true.Too many people, what do they do? Every problem is caused by too many people. what do we do ? well the word genocide has been maligned lately, but that will not deter its being used. Herod, Nimrod and many more did it in ancient history, and Hitler, Stalin, and Franco to name a few, in modern times, including our Georgie in Iraq where nearly a million citizens of that once beautiful nation are dead and denied. We need to either expose this entire demonic disaster or just let it happen, since the average american is frozen in the headlight of his television propaganda and cant understand the real reality going on around them. It is the alter ego of insanity, acting out!

Posted by: bebeyond49 | October 20, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse live with the risk not me...and you have no frickin clue how small (or large) they why blather claptrap like that?

folks likely thought the "probability" of a 9/11 attack was near zero. how unfortunate for 2000+ people...but that's ok by mattr!......acceptable losses...right?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 19, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

tony...don't you ever grow weary of the moronic oil argument? tell you an exercise in reality.....imagine the price at the pump climbing by 4, 5 maybe 10 times what it is now and massive shortages due to truncated supply...what do you think will happen in this country? spare me the rhetoric on monopoly power, twisted foreign policy, etc.....what do you think will happen? this country has failed since the first crisis in the 1970s to summon the resources, will and consensus to manage a transition from oil dependence. until that day *amn well better believe we will do whatever it takes to preserve the flow.

this isn't about Bush you's about a sustained failure of policy over the course of almost 40 years. Bush is just the latest example of failed leadership. it's not about the oil companies....its about leadership.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 19, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

help! help! the sky is falling. what an honor to post on a site with so many principled people...however unengaged in the actual process or its details they might be!!!

let's see...compared to rights suspensions during the Civil War....WWII internment...where are today's egregious examples that lead with unequivocal certainty to the notion that all is lost....all is foresaken...we are all under the scope......where are the actual damages?

actually....I'm onboard with ya! I just ask that if we suspend the processes that are working to expedite the flow of information as best the system can manage while weighing risks against "costs"....and we are attacked all will volunteer your names and addresses...accountability as it were.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 19, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

When a president or political party puts business ahead of people, when it lies about the war and everything else, when it puts our young people in a never ending war to serve the needs of the Texas oil companies, what do you expect? This country was built by and for the people but the corporations and those they serve, the wealthy, have stolen it.

Posted by: Tony Rotz | October 19, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

When is this Congress going to start representing the people who elected them???
How many polls does it take to convince them that this administration will not follow the Constitutional laws of this country???
Do something now!!!

Posted by: Mary | October 19, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

For Brian who posted at 2:00.

I too have had a great seven years. I too make good money that has increased because of the tax cuts. So what? You need to be very well connected to be able to use that money to your political advantage. I know the "Republic" Party members hate theoretical arguments and logic but here goes; remember this is not paranoia, just a thought experiment:
What prevents you from being singled out as a threat and flown to some crazy nation for "not torture"? It used to be the constitution...habeas corpus and the like. Now, however, the Prez can decide you are an enemy of the state, and nothing at all will help you. You won't have access to counsel, family or even your political contacts. Nor is it likely that your political contacts could find you if they tried. And if "they" deem, in "their" patriotic zealotry, to let you go; you will have no recourse for "their" actions. Is that worth a few years of minor financial gains relative to the power and huge gains of the elite few? I think not. I would rather retain my rights and live with the risk (small as it is based on the actual number of attacks in the US) that I will die in a terror attack.

Posted by: mattr | October 18, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

If wiretapping is not illegal you might as well let Anthony Pellicano out of prison.

Posted by: Joe | October 18, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Come on people. The only reason the Senate is riding the same train on this immunity deal is because the People, as a voting population, will not be punishing these politicians. Figure out a way to get the majority of voters aboard and the Senate will hear your calls.

By the way, Congress can never pass a law that overrides the Bill of Rights, unless it votes for a constitutional amendment. The 4th Amendment should still trump any immunity deal granted by Congress.

Posted by: Sand Hill Road | October 18, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

We need a new national party. Every legislative district in the nation needs a true independent to run on the same platform: "we are not the status quo". Every senate seat needs to be challenged by an independent candidate. If the "Democrat" Party members ignore their responsibilities and approve an amnesty-type of Ex post facto law, then throw them out. Since the "Republic" Party members walk in lock step with the neo-con men, they need to be thrown out as well. Rise up people of the US and demand that we get our democracy back!

Posted by: mattr | October 18, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse


And I agree with the one comment . . . America is dead. It doesn't exist anymore.

Posted by: Scy | October 18, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Chris Dodd, you are The Man!

Posted by: Needles | October 18, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Senator Dodd has put a hold on the bill! Hooray for some lleadership finally.

Posted by: Sagacity | October 18, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

There isn't anyone to call.

America is yesterday's news. It's over.

In order to get a third party the Electoral College must be abolished. Since that'll never happen, America is over.

Posted by: Tim from Silver Spring | October 18, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's The Mother Of All
Jobs Programs for phone phreaks? Hmmm...

And, bonus round, talking about listening
to other people's phone calls, why is it
that people feel like they can blather on
about what are probably confidential
business-related topics on their cell phone in the middle of the stupid grocery

Posted by: Bert | October 18, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does "Brian" who boasts of having "an exceptional past seven years" sound like a guy doing an impression of a concentration camp guard who can't understnad what all the grumbling behind the fence is all about?

Posted by: timjosh | October 18, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Impeach Pelosi and Reid, the spineless bstrds.

They SHOULD ask Bush if they could wash his limo

Posted by: Joseph | October 18, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Amnesty for telcos who clearly, unambiguously, willingly engaged in a massive felony, is a final test for our legislative branch. The political will to respect the Constitution and Bill of Rights either exists, and the proposed legislation will go down in defeat -- or the rule of law will die entirely, and what remains of liberty and an independent judiciary will be extinguished. This is truly a historic moment in our country's history; the moment when we are all bought to the realization that our legal structure has been destroyed by those sworn to uphold it, and "consent of the governed" is no longer necessary to wield governing power in this country.

Posted by: Patrick | October 18, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious comments.

"We've been living a nightmare the past seven years."

"We've"? I've had an exceptional seven years. Couldn't be doing better.

And I certainly don't care whether some terrorist clown overseas can call people in the US, without the fear of being listened to.

Your Democrat Party representatives know this as well. The moderate Democrats who were elected last fall, backed the President.

Posted by: Brian | October 18, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic leadership just caved in to a lame-duck President with an approval ratings in the 20's.

Posted by: culp45 | October 18, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic leadership just caved in to a lame-duck President with an approval ratings in the 20's. Pelosi and Reid might as well go to the White House and ask if Bush needs his limo washed and waxed.

Posted by: culp45 | October 18, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I had hoped our government had reached its lowest point, guess I was wrong. Who can we vote for next. The current batch of incompetents pols are all drinking the same kool aid.

Posted by: Stan Barkley | October 18, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic leadership just caved in to a lame-duck President with an approval ratings in the 20's. Pelosi and Reid might as well go to the White House and ask if Bush needs his limo washed and waxed.

Posted by: culp45 | October 18, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This is outrageous! These losers in the Senate have no more regard for the civil rights of its citizens as do the Chinese or Putin in Russia. Next time you are looking for your rights as an American citizen, just take a look under the bus labeled "Bush Big Brother Express" the Senate has just boarded and is now coming right at you.

Posted by: timjosh | October 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey folks....all we have to do is elect Ron Paul president in 2008 and all of this nonsense -- illegal domestic spying, renditions, secret torture, the war in Iraq -- will stop within months of his inauguration.

Posted by: franklinmjohnson | October 18, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

This story is complete fiction.and my opinion.

Citizens, that are legally entitled to arm their homes, should the day will come when Blaney's SS troopers from Crackwater come knocking. The SS troops are trying to build a facility in So-Cal, which could become their base for the west coast. The SS have said that they will use the base to train police and military, most, if not all of these agencies, would not use it, if they did, they could get a sip of the cool-aid their dishing out.

The people of Potrero are using the electoral process to recall all of the officials involved with allowing the SS into Potrero. We basically have all been gerrymandered into having to vote Dem or Rep. Many of our civil servants have become inbred and don't give a damn about what problems we have. We need to take back our system.

Earl of Cunningham was having his fun for $300.00 an hour, and the way some other rats are jumping the ship, I would venture to guess that he was not the only one.

We all need to go back to the Golden Rule, and become more civil. That person next to you on the road didn't ask for these traffic jams, politicians allowed it to happen, vent your anger at them and vote for a party other than Rep or Dem.


Posted by: landofob | October 18, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

It's SHAMEFUL. My Democratic representatives are not concerned with doing what's Right but only with consolidating power. Anything that might in any way jeopardize the 2008 election must be avoided, even if the Dems must concede every single issue to Bush and the GOP between now and November 2008. The Democrats used to whine that they were powerless when they we in the minority, and now they're just as powerless in the majority. Obviously the GOP, who control the agenda just as effectively in the minority as they did in the majority, just knows how to play the political game better then the Pelosi/Reid Cream Puffs.

Plus, the Democrats in Congress have repeatedly proven since they won the majority that they have no principles. Why did I ever fight so hard to get these incompetent fools into the majority in the first place, when they are no better then the GOP?

Posted by: Douglas | October 18, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it--we don't live in a democracy any more. It's government of the corporate moguls, by the corporate moguls and for the corporate moguls. Jefferson was right--you can't fight a revolution just once. I'd try to organize some resistance movement but, wait, all of my communications are being monitored!

Our leaders were never afraid of Hussein--they were afraid of the American people.

Posted by: Clay | October 18, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The purpose of the "law" is to provide another obstacle to finding out what really happened in the spying program. it will give courts another reason to throw out cases which might expose the program. for some reason the fed government has found it important enough to hide the real purposes and targets of the program that they would pass this embarrassingly obvious corrupt law. the criminals are now writing the laws. why does america want so bad to be on the side of evil.

Posted by: Hatriotact | October 18, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst democratic leadership ever. Pelosi is useless, Reid even worse, though he could host Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood tv program.

We have become a banana republic under a dictator. To hell with all politicians.

Anybody ready to start a 2nd american revolution? Ready to be a minuteman? Sign me up.

Posted by: daniel | October 18, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I want to know when the telecom co's were approahed by the whitehouse, by whom, and why.

THAT info will never come out now that a court challenge is off limits.


Posted by: JBE | October 18, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

It has been confirmed--they are all the same. I'm really starting to doubt if it is even worth the time off from work voting anymore. It doesn't--or at lest it hasn't--make a difference. There is more democracy in Iraq than this washed up Banana Republic.

Posted by: C-Dog | October 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I resigned from the Party that I've supported since stuffing envelopes for Adlai Stevenson as a child. For all the reasons cited above, there is no longer an institution in our government representing the people, much less the constitution. The Judicial just refused to allow the courts to hear the case of a man kidnapped by the Executive, imprisoned and tortured for months in secret prisons and then simply dumped by the side of a road when our very own kidnapper-torturers decided that they had an innocent fellow.

All that we have left is the Legislative branch of government, and they are a bunch of spineless, ignorant careerists. I fear for where this is all headed, and for our nation.

Posted by: Casey | October 18, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I've said it so many times: there isn't a whit of difference between the Democrats and Republicans. It is, and will always be, business as usual for these 'bought and paid for' political opportunists.

Posted by: Diogenes | October 18, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Great comments here today. I have given thousands of dollars to Democratic causes and candidates over the past four years, not because I love Democrats (who, as many posters have pointed out, are spineless jellyfish who always cave sooner or later), but because I fear and despise the Republican vision for America. But from here on in, like scootmandubious, the only money I give will be to progressive candidates whom I genuinely admire. The Democratic Party (DNC, DSCC, DCCC) can -- to put it politely -- go jump in the lake.

Posted by: lydgate | October 18, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

This is NOT a is out-and-out fear mongering and capitulation by the (barely) majority Democrats who only have November 4, 2008 on their minds and NOT the well-being of the country--or our Constitution!

Setting such a precedent will only embolden the (barely) minority Republicans (as well as the lame-duck White House) to press for even MORE concessions as they make their exits in the next 13-15 months...

Posted by: The Dayton Pundit | October 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

My god. We've been living within this nightmare for seven years now, all the while hoping for the best; hoping that constitutional law and justice would prevail; that American principles would be upheld by those we trusted to govern. Its now come to a crecendo and its time to panic. Today's news proves that this is officially no longer an overreaction, because there is no longer an alternative to the agenda that both parties are ramming down our collective throat. We are witnessing the end of United States of America.

Posted by: David | October 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Saying they don't have the votes is a cop-out by the Dems. They only need one!

The abomination passed in August expires in February, and we're back to FISA. Bush is the one that needs legislation, not the Congressional Dems.

Either Reid or Pelosi could stop this by refusing to bring it up for a vote. Done.

But they're all worthless. Both parties need to go, and soon.

Posted by: J | October 18, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

What is going on here? Congress should be impeaching Bush and Cheney for their utter lawlessness, not making immunity deals with them. They have proven they will just break those agreements in the future when in pleases them, and now they have immunity for their past crimes. What utter thugs are running this country. Do we need another 1776 revolution to get to sane government?

Posted by: Nomas | October 18, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of writing letters to my representatives and stating the obvious -- Bush is not to be trusted. We need something to boycott besides the incumbants. Perhaps the phone company is the place to start. If they are influential enough to put this squeeze on government and get immunity, perhaps we can squeeze back and restore the Constitution.

Posted by: Sara BB | October 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

So: accountability is for little people. Telcomm giants skate. And the precedent is clear: do what the Prez sez even if you know it's illegal, because life will be good if you play ball, and you'll get special rights in court so there's nothing to worry about. And oh yeah, if the President does it, or asks you do to it, it isn't illegal.

Yes I'm disgusted by Congress agreeing to the above. You can't talk of oversight and rubber stamp ignoring the law and the Constitution.

And if it walks like a king, and talks like a king, it's a king. It was nice having representitive democracy in this country, while it lasted.

Posted by: jpk1 | October 18, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I have emailed my leaders, I have spoken to my friends, I have commented on these blogs, and I have yelled to high heaven for someone to protect our country from disintegration of constitution. And, I have cried. I guess crawling under my bed sheets will do no good either. So I just sit here and despair, and wonder what happened to us as a nation. I am ashamed.

Posted by: narnia | October 18, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats as a whole have not yet caved. CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN!

Posted by: Diane | October 18, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I would say unbelievable ,. . . but it isn't. The Dems are cowards and ALWAYS cave. While the Republicans are liars and criminals, I will never vote for the Dems either. I don't care if it's a "throw away" vote . . . 3rd party here I come. The Democrats are now as guilty of the Bush crimes as Bush is.

Posted by: Scytherius | October 18, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

This is an UTTER disaster.

Posted by: Mobedda | October 18, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

This latest capitulation just reaffirms that my decision to no longer contribute to the DNC, or any of their chosen candidates, was the correct one.

The only reason I will keep my party registration as a Democrat is to support progressive candidates in the primary. Rep. Kucinich has my vote, though I know his chances to win are nil.

Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of the GOP 'Lite' just don't represent my interests or values.

From now on, I will only support progressive candidates of any stripe, and organizations, such as, that truly get it.

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 18, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

What the hell is wrong with the cowardly Dems??!!! Prosecute, convict, imprison and hang GW Bush and friends. Do NOT join hands with him and sing kumbaya! That is called committing treason with the war criminal in chief. Heads have GOT to roll!

Posted by: kgproperty | October 18, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Days like today I have to remind myself that I didn't become a Democrat because I think they are wonderful. I became a Democrat because the GOP stands for an America I think is wrong, breaking laws, denying civil rights, leaving children and the poor behind and starting wars on whims while failing to protect our country.

Shame on the Democrats for not showing any spine, but at the end of the day, the greater shame is still on Bush and the GOP for their twisted vision of America.

Posted by: Greg in LA | October 18, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Its time for a third party. Ive had it with the democrats. I will NEVER vote for a slimy republican. Nancy Pelosi sucks.

Posted by: Sonia Texas | October 18, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I've never seen such a high level of contempt towards both political parties. I would love nothing more than to see both parties disintegrate into smaller, more focused parties representing narrower interests and giving the voters a chance to get enthused and active in politics again.

Right now the Repubs and Dems are fighting to see who can best protect and promote corporate America. "We the People" no longer figure anywhere in their policies.

Posted by: Trakker | October 18, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I really don't know who to call on this: My GOP senators who don't seem to care what's right and good, or my Dem Congressman who won't stand up for it.

Posted by: LOTP | October 18, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately the Democrats we elected last year have mostly turned out to be banana-spines...

Posted by: Damama | October 18, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

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