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Sanctions, Investigations, Latinos

The first game of the World Series was not exactly spell-binding. The California fires, while devastating to residents, appear to be abating. So we'll turn our attention this morning to comments of our readers on three other topics: sanctions against Iran, a Democratic congressman's aggressive investigations of the Bush administration, and the efforts of Latino immigrants in Prince William County, Va., to defend themselves against new laws that can only be interpreted as intended to force them to leave.

Planned unilateral sanctions against Iran are seen by most of our RWC (Readers Who Comment) as yet another unwise move by a neocon infested Bush Administration and by many as a concession to the so-called Israel Lobby.

Jonathan Weisman asserts that Rep. Henry A. Waxman's House Oversight Committee has become the administration's worst nightmare with its Democratic majority and a penchant for investigating things. Our RWC mostly lead cheers.

Finally, the anger sometimes bordering hatred that many of our RWC have expressed throughout the illegal immigrant debate is in full flower over Pamela Constable's story showing what some Prince William County Latinos are doing in an attempt to counter strict anti-immigrant legislation there. I continue to be distressed about the absence of humanity in the way many of these comments are expressed. But it is a complex issue. I had an illuminating conversation with a Tucson, Ariz., editor last week whose description of the border problems in his state made the Washington Metro issues seem rather tame. If ever there was a subject in need of federal legislative bravery, this is it. It's not going to happen this year.

First, Iran. Robin Wright tells us that the administration will designate Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps as a proliferator of weapons of mass destruction and of the elite Quds Force as a supporter of terrorism.

nanjay was the first out of the box this morning and said, "Perhaps the president's strategy is if he can't arouse America's support for an unnecessary war against Iran he will tantalize them into attacking us. That way with Israel applauding on the sidelines he will have an excuse to attempt to bomb Iran back to the stone age."

And MorganaLeFay said, "This is insurance. If Congress ever finds the guts to impeach Bush, Bush can attack Iran, declare martial law and suspend the 2008 elections."

BrianX9, quoted the story's statement that "Administration officials say that they are imposing new sanctions to demonstrate a commitment to diplomacy..." and commented that "This may be a minor technicality, but aren't sanctions considered an 'Act of War' under such circumstances? Doesn't "diplomacy" mean something other than acts of war? like, for example, talking?"

ChristianLeft asked, "What do we do when the President becomes so profoundly delusional that the country and the world are put into the most grave danger by his actions and his actions alone? Just yesterday, he was rattling his little tin sabre at Cuba, before that Turkey, today, Iran, all the while with two endless wars raging, California in flames and New Orleans in ruins..."

hgcsato said, "...Iran is not a problem, not even a significant part of the equation. America's stupid calculations are the cause of it all."

And iacitizen said, "We can't stave off this war with Iran unless Republicans and Democrats in Congress and across the nation come together... I don't recall such hate for one another as we have now. We can stop it if we just refuse to take the bait, focus instead on this belligerent administration, rise up with one voice, and tell it: "No!""

Imarkex filed one of the few comments defending the administration, writing, "One day you idiots will see the world in a different light.It might be a nuclear light if we do not stop Iran from becoming nuclear power.If they get it they will use it."

Now to the Waxman story.
mgibbosh asked, "Where has the oversight committee been during the last few years, didn't we have one when the republicans were in the majority. With all these investigations going on, looks like the republicans took the attitude of see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil."

But vatownsend said, "...The Oversight committee is a needed tool of Congress but come on people, how many time does the Oversight committee have to "investigate the run-up to the Iraq war"? Sure you could always say that new information has been brought forward blah blah blah, but the "investigation of the "run-up to the Iraq War" has been non stop since democrats gain control. And now we are linking Blackwater to the Bush Administration... Henry Waxman is a POLITICAL HACK plain and simple and that is all he will be..."

mailwma wrote:
I am waiting for others... to realize the only way to get a government that can balance itself is to have a government with opposing forces. Powerful republican president combined with powerful democratic congress will balance itself and keep each other in check..."

enkidu1 said, "Democract, Republican, doesn't matter. I'm just glad we finally have somebody taking the "oversight" part of oversight committee seriously. The last 6 years were spent focusing on golf trips and being reelected. Waxman doesn't seem to have those concerns. At least until he starts investigating who killed Vince Foster." [If you don't know what that means, it doesn't matter.]

seawolfR says this is the "Prime example why Congress has lowest approval in United States history..."

Finally to the Latino story, in which The Post reports that "Radio stations and hotlines are fielding calls from immigrants asking whether it is safe to drive cars or visit public parks. Lawyers are advising parents to make emergency plans for their children and assets in case they are detained on suspicion of being in the country illegally. Volunteers are organizing meetings, and one woman, a U.S. citizen from El Salvador, has decided to launch a write-in candidacy for the Board of County Supervisors."

The comments of VirginiaConservative, a regular on this topic, were typical of many: "What a noble cause: Criminals standing up for their right to commit crimes... Our society is being trashed and lowered to the lowest common denominator of that of a criminal, and this paper sings their praises as if they are victims. How disgusting."

tdb001, suggesting that other Metro area jurisdictions have been a bit less restrictive in their views on how to deal with illegal immigrants, wrote, "This is what the advice packets should include: "Only a fool waits until the last minute. Don't be a fool. Plan to pack up and move to Arlington or Montgomery County before things get even worse."

rorschach said, "Go home. You have no right to be here. You are trespassing in our country and you are shamelessly using up our resources. You have more than worn out your welcome with your sense of entitlement and arrogance."

And reston2 said, "...The subjects of these pieces in the post seem to believe it is ok to break the law and that the US owes something to people who come into the country illegally. This is getting old."

We'll close with RealChoices, who wrote, "I applaud these people for their courage. It isn't easy to stand up to demagoguery of a hysterical mob that seeks to blame of it is woes, real or imagined, on a minority group. Years from now, folks such as these will be as the historical equivalents to the civil rights leaders of the 20th century."

All comments on the Iran sanctions story are here.

All comments on the Waxman article are here.

All comments on the Latino article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  October 25, 2007; 7:30 AM ET
Categories:  Illegal Immigrants , Iran  
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Posted by: Mitchell Little | November 21, 2007 4:21 AM | Report abuse

The politicians, press and profiteers encourage illegal immigration and run to the defense when they get caught.

However, the common salt of the earth Americans that have to deal with them day in and day out don't want them here. We aren't making headlines with them, getting votes from them or making a buck off of them. We are actually being used and anoyed and we just want them to go home because they cost us too much! No, I'm not going down the enormous list! We have given all we want to give. We are done with that and no means no.

Americans have every right to point out the law breaking behavior of illegal aliens, every right to demand that it stop and every right to refuse to take it any more. Americans are saying NO and we are coming together and getting louder by the day. Never underestimate the will of the American public.

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Posted by: CheshireCat | October 25, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Wheel,
Pelosi, Murtha, Boxer have done more damage to this country then a Katrina, or Green house gases. Notice, ever since the Left Wing took over, Kerry et al. ...things started to go wrong. We are not losing the war in Iraq, we are losing at home and that - to a bunch of losers. If you think Hispanics such as myself should thank guys like Murtha think again. I would rather live in a small foreign third world country then let an unhealthy, cholesterol injesting undeserving traitor like John Murtha protect me. At least there, leaders only suffer from mild naivete not treasonous behavior. Hey by the way, my cousin is fighting in Iraq and our family is proud.

Posted by: Jase | October 25, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Doug:
Everyone I talk to KNOWS the illegals are here just to "get over" on us. These illegals don't even like Americans, don't want to be AmericanS, they just want to raid our pantRy and send it home to Mexico. OUR GOVERNNMENT IS NOT DOING ENOUGH ABOUT THIS. We THE CITIZENS OF THE NOW DEFUNCT DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF AMERICA don't like them because of the way they act, not because they are Mexicans.
ILLEGALS GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: katman | October 25, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Jason, regarding you point that "what P.W county is doing is disgraceful. They act with such brazenness that it only serves to make them look racist".

If P.W.county looks racist by enforcing their laws how does it makes your native country look? Your native country is so woefully lacking in taking care of its citizens basic necessities of life that their citizens have to sneak into another country under the cloak of dark just to earn a basic living.

Now, I have witness first hand what American racism is and this one does not fit the tab. I applaud what the Minute Men are doing along the borders, what they are doing is a basic American duty to protect their country. How do you think your native country would respond if it were being beseech by millions of illegals.

As for your comments concerning Iran, you really need to rethink this given how your citizens have been thumbing their noes at Americans and American law. And your people then have the audacity to tell us Americans that we are wrong for not accepting such egregious, disrespectful, and arrogant behavior.

And lastly, you have some nerve to state "As for democrats, pathetic bunch. I think we need to censure or impeach the anti-Americans, (Pelosi, Murtha, Kennedy, Boxer.." how unamerican can it be to deliberately break the freakin law as your people consistently do on a daily basis. The people you want to impeach are the same people who are standing in the way of the right wingers who want to round up and shoot your people at will. These people, Pelosi, Murtha, Kennedy, Boxer, et al. that you want to impeach are the same ones who have been taking heat from the right for being soft on immigration because Pelosi, Murtha, Kennedy, believe, that despite being illegal immigrants, your people still need to be treated with basic human respect and should be cared for while still on American soil. And now here you are wanting to get rid of the very people that have done so much for your people. And you want to embrace and identify with the very people, the right wingers, that seek the demise of your people because they are breaking the law.

YOU NEED TO THINK BUDDY!!!!!

Posted by: SteelWheel | October 25, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"...neocon infested....planned unilateral actions"

yes Doug. you're right....planning really is a bad thing.

btw....Doug....how do you know the plans envisioned are unilateral (whatever that means)? actually read them? if so...please share!!!!

Posted by: lmao | October 25, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

racists?...you mean like...say...el Presidente Fox?

bahahahaha!

Posted by: lmao | October 25, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

School yard bullies rarely make sense anywhere, anytime.

Posted by: Mike Wing | October 25, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Nothing that geo b. does makes sense to me, and to keep stirring up the mid-east while he swaggers around asking for more $billions for Iraq, is not only arrogant but the worst stupidity. Of course as a multi-millionaire on oil money the cost of gas getting better the higher it raises for he and cheney.

Posted by: jim p. | October 25, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

so many stupid people....so little time!

At least I know which sites to visit for my daily dose of cliches and rhetoric.

and gee whizz Doug...you're such a swell guy! A true humanitarian.

You do realize, I hope, that everything playing out now...is gonna be turn-around/fair play in a Hilly admin....do you not?

you all are shaping the dynamic...and don't know it yet.

Posted by: lmao | October 25, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

It was always the "Vulcans" intent to take on Iran after quickly dispatching Iraq. But as we all know Iraq was problematic. I think the dangerous fascist element in the administration are winning out with the "last chance to take these bad guys out" argument.(that is not meant to imply ANY good guys in the WH)
So I expect "surgical intrusions" that quickly escalate to full blown war. I expect large scale resignations of senior officers at defense, and a probable constitutional crisis.
Interesting wild cards are possible too. Iran will counter with asymmetrical attacks on oil fields to destabilize markets, or foment full blown insurrection in Pakistan. Or Turkey could use our preoccupation to settle debts with the Kurds. Bushs' soulmate Putin has lots to gain by Bushs' blunders.
The conclusion should be that all the incompetence buschco has shown throughout their term is not going to stop now.

Posted by: moondancer | October 25, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

There is no "proof" of the things Iran is accused of. It is just an escalation of rhetoric by the government-remember what a "threat" Iraq was with WMD and biological warfare truck etc. How soon we forget.

Posted by: Jim | October 25, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

U.S. already have sanctions on Iran and now Bush is cherry picking more sanctions to impose on Iran!!! More wars more money for me Bush is saying

Posted by: Gore the Real President | October 25, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

dave: "Christian military fascist utopia"?? That is the most oxymoronic line I have ever read!! You obviously don't get out much.

Posted by: to dave | October 25, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I think the original writer is pointing to the frustration that many of us feel towards both the media and the right wing. Where's the outrage? Where's the anger? The media cower to whatever the administration wishes. The media has not held the Bush Administration accountable for the war debacle. The media is more concerned with protecting its access to power than it is with reporting the truth. It then justifies its position by stating if they did get hard nosed with the administration the right wing political machine would label them "liberals".

I listed to allot of right wing radio. The master emcees of the right wing political machine constantly spur hate towards those on the left on a daily basis. Ring wing bloggers pick up and echo the hate. Readers from the right wing write their hate and call those on the left idiots and stupid.

I think the real enemy here is the right wing itself. These freedom hating conservatives, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hanity, Ann Coulter, Mitch McConnell, Bill Kristol, Dick Cheney, et al, are destroying this country in their effort to produce their Christian military fascist utopia. They take away more rights and our Democratic congress capitulates. They assert more funding for more wars and our Democratic Congress capitulates. They don't even acknowledge or discuss the biggest lie of all time: no WMD in Iraq, but you don't hear it discussed on the campaign trail, do you? It's time those on the left stand up to the right wing and everyone in it and label those people for what they are: traitors to America. Hold them accountable. Get them out of Office. And stop the Media Conglomerates from continuing to spread their lies unabated.

Posted by: Dave | October 25, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

People

Why waste valuable time with meaningless and worthless sanctions that will just be ignored circumvented, distorted, maneauvered around, desceitfully manipulated, etc etc etc etc etc, by the meglomaniacs in Persia.

Just enter the launch codes and recheck the latest targets not forgetting to make a cinder of the Holy City of Qmm once and for all.....ending this nightmare and maddnes fr the 11th Century now reoccuring yet again and again now in the 21 st Century.

regards

Posted by: Ray in Mexican Colony of LA | October 25, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does Bush seem less and less intelligent as his administration has progressed?

He never speaks in public, only in front of carefully gathered and "pre-owned" crowds ... he never hears from anybody who disagrees with him or isn't kissing his butt ... he's making all his decisions based on pre-filtered, pre-digested, and pre-slanted information - information pleasing to his ear.

I don't know that Bush is as stupid as so many on the left say, but I am quite sure the limitations on the information he receives and the people he meets certainly have weakened his ability to perceive reality.

The almost frantic "I hate bush" noise from the left-wing nuts and the "I love bush" noise from the right-wing nuts have drowned their respective ability to perceive reality as well. Reactionaries both, though who started reacting first is open to chicken-and-the-egg questions.

I can tell you this: I do not trust George Bush. I do not trust his supporters, I do not trust his detractors.

If George Bush is not just another idiot politician who fell into favor with the party powers, he certainly is one of the most ignorant men I have ever encountered.

Posted by: K | October 25, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Impeach the whole damned government. We need new blood,anything that would aid the good old American. Where has the constitution gone? Not a soul knows. Please tell me what recourse do we have, I can vote, doesn't do any good, can complain, sign petitions, none of which makes a bit of difference. THEY CALL THIS A DEMOCRACY, what a laugh!

Posted by: joan | October 25, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Remember - those of you who attack Senate Democrats as spineless do-nothings - Democrats in the Senate have a 2 vote majority, assuming Lieberman votes with them. Unfortunately that is not enough to do anything without some Republican support. Don't blame Democrats - the blame rests with Republicans who won't - or are afraid - to 'cross over' to do what is necessary to stop this President.

Posted by: dillydarlin | October 25, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Russia and China will make up any lost to Iran caused by the US. Now the good news is Bush isn't stopping Halliburton from doing business with Iran. Dick would be very up set if a policy like that were enacted. Halliburton has been doing business with Iran and Syria and making alot of money. Cheney got 19% profit from his shares this quarter. No other American company is allowed to do business with Iran but Halliburton.
If Bush is stupid enough to bomb Iran the US will see that 9/11 was nothing compared to what will have. The US is talking about the Nukes we have. Iran has a weapon that we could never have dreamed of. Remember we didn't even understand Bush's memo that Bin Laden wanted to attack the US with planes, the Iran President as said many times Nukes aren't necessary. Bush is selling these lies to keep robbing the US Treasury. Even now as Blackwater executives in Iraq resign Bush will keep them on the pay roll. Blackwater guards get 600 a day as General Petraeus get 450 a day and US Soldiers get 83 dollars a day.
See where the money's going plus we have to pay for each Iraq man/woman/child that we killed. Our National Debt is 9 Trillion dollars and counting with no end in sight. When Bush/Cheney leave office and Americans get the bill for the debt they put us in the GOP will say it was Bill Clinton's fault or Al Qaeda.

I look forward to the United Nations charging the Bush Administration and Tony Blair with War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. Time to lawyer up for the UN hearings.

Posted by: Jackie Rawlings | October 25, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

it makes sense if your an idiot

Posted by: omar harvey | October 25, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Readers want to know if Bush's sanctions against Iran make sense."

No, they don't. Most readers are well aware that nothing the Bush administration has done the last seven years makes sense unless you are a war profiteer. Just follow the money and you know why Bush is so big in pushing wars.

But then again, remember Mussolini invaded Ethiopia to take people's minds off the fact that their lives were getting worse. Since his domestic program has screwed up life for so many people, possibly Bush is motivated to do the same thing. It didn't work the first or second time around, but maybe, if he keeps doing it, eventually it will work. If it fails in Iran, there is still Venezuela and Cuba. After that maybe we can take out Canada for their oil. One sign of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect different results. What does that say about the members of the Bush administration?

Posted by: dkm | October 25, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

All of Bush's actions are a decoy to distract Americans from their biggest problem - a collapsing economy. As a Canadian, I am stunned at how rapidly the American dollar is declining vs other major currencies around the world. Any other country running deficits like the US would have third-world status and be forced to get their economy in shape. Americans are funding two wars and cutting taxes at the same time. Americans are shopping and spending like crazy, buying mainly imported goods, and having many of their service industry jobs filled by illegal immigrants for poor wages. This can only go on for so long before there are huge consequences. Virtually every initiative taken by this administration will have devastating consequences for the American economy long term.

As for the situation with illegal immigration, this administration was silent for many years as illegals poured across their southern border to fill jobs at minimum wage for wealthy business people. Now after minding their children, cleaning their houses, building their homes, etc. they want them to leave quietly without a fight. How insensitive.

All this devastation to the American economy and to the people of Iraq was allowed to happen because there has not been a series of checks and balances in the American government or the American press for seven years. Every democratic government needs a Waxman holding their feet to the fire and keeping them honest.

Posted by: Casey | October 25, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's see... Bush has until January 2009 to attack Iran, unless his highness suspends elections and declares martial law... and himself as King Indefinite.

This means that a strike on Iran HAS to be in the works in 2008. We are witnessing all the gyrations and bravado we saw pre-iraq, though I have yet to see a cable news show titled "Countdown to Iran" (except for fox, naturally - who also aired that the california fires are an Al Qaida plot) though I'm sure the sets have been designed and are ready to roll out to help W sell and seal this deal, so I predict that an attack won't happen prior to Christmas, and it won't happen as a last act before vacating office... so it will occur on the anniversary date of the ill-fated Iraqi invasion, on March 19 2008.

It is a great time because it is symbolic, it is after christmas and before the dog days of summer arrive, at a time when one could almost smell a new war in the air.

Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the repugnant invertibrates (spineless) in the democratic party will still be eagerly washing and waxing the presidential limousine at Bush's beckon call.

Posted by: Franco | October 25, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

hey "Posted by: Mark | October 25, 2007 12:10 PM" I'm a hispanic american also and you should thank your lucky ass you can post this anonymously. You wouldn't have the balls to say that to my face...

Posted by: DCDoug | October 25, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"Readers want to know if Bush's sanctions against Iran make sense."

Really? I would think readers would like to know when this hideous war will end. How much killing and how much debt is enough?

Posted by: Bartolo | October 25, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

You said "I continue to be distressed about the absence of humanity in the way many of these comments are expressed."

Nothing like the humanity of forcibly removing people from their homes and destroying their families, or prodding a middle east dictator toward war. And to the wingnuts in the thread - I promise you know nothing about Iran, and I'll bet you $1 million that your families immigrated from somewhere and stole land, resources and jobs from the natives.

Why do I increasingly have the feeling that journalists like Doug Weaver live in bubbles of their own making? If you were the target of right-wing bigots or American warplanes, Doug, I doubt your response would be so holier-than-thou.

Posted by: Matthew | October 25, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

These sanctions are only symbolic...The US has no handle on Iran. All they do is accuse Iran....with no evidence presented whatsoever. Just like WMD's in Irak: false accusations, Islam terrorists attacked on 9/11: false accusations...
The country is sliding into a very deep recession, maybe that is good for the rest of the world, cause that will end the money flow that enables the war mongering of the US.

Posted by: Bob Kavanagh | October 25, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

What Bush is doing is fine, if, you are a Right Wing Conservative, pro-Defense Contractors, killing innocent Muslims, stealing Oil for your rich European and US so markets can be circumvented to effect oil prices; and, you believe, that Arabs-especially, Iraq, is responsible for 9/11, and you enjoy, neglecting all of the American People's Domestic Agenda, because, you do not have money to address America's Domestic Issues: such as the inundation of violence in crime that permeates this country, jobs that cannot pay a living wage, unisured Americans(that is increasing)who can't afford Health Care, inflation/depression and other economic ills, poor persistent performance of the stock market; millions of black and hispanic youth filling prisons. Bush deficits is now projected to reach 17 trillion dollars in 5 years. He has already spent 2 trillion dollars on Afgan/Iraq missions going on now for 4 years; and, filling his contract buddies with lucrative no competitive bids. Then, Bush is your man, and everything he does is just: Peachy!

Posted by: Mr. Black Sociologist | October 25, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION STILL DON'T GET IT.. AND THEY STILL UNDERMINE HATE IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND STILL KILLING INOCENT PEOPLE BECAUSE OF OIL.. AND NOW THE COST WILL BE 2.4 TRILLION . WHAT A WASTE OF BORROWED MONEY BUT IN THE END OF THE DAY IT IS BORROWED MONEY AND IS NOT A REAL VALUE SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OTHER COUNTRIES ARE EXPLOITED IN VAIN.. THE WAR IN IRAQ IS ABOUT REAL VALUES AND THE UNITED STATES AND BRITAIN HASN'T REAL VALUES ONLY PAPER MONEY AND THIS PAPER MONEY IS THE COST OF WARS AND THE DEATHS OF INOCENT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD... IS SAD

Posted by: JOSE LUIS | October 25, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

I fully support PW's county's efforts to expel lowlifes like you, I only hope they don't stop until they've dumped you in mexico.

Posted by: Mark | October 25, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Hi I am a hispanic-American I think its a disgrace what P.W. county is doing. They act with such brazeness that it only serves to make them look racist.

As for Iran, this country has thumbed its nose at us long enough. If we don't label their Revolutionary Gaurd as terrorist, then what should we do and when. Last time I looked, they were already fighting us (Iraq).

As for democrats, pathetic bunch. I think we need to censure or impeach the anti-Americans, (Pelosi, Murtha, Kennedy, Boxer..

Posted by: Jason | October 25, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

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