Disliking Hillary and Huckabee
As we're nearing the home stretch of the first presidential candidate popularity test, a couple of items this morning captured the attention of our Readers Who Comment. First, it seems that some men -- including Democrat and independent men -- don't like Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton just because she is a woman. Second, columnist Robert Novak asserts, not all Republican Baptists like Baptist minister Mike Huckabee. My goodness, what is the world coming to? Does this mean that labels aren't always accurate? That an individual's response to a candidate may not coordinate perfectly with other labels that individual carries? And we still have almost a year to go.
Lois Romano's article on Clinton says, "Women's rights advocates attribute male skepticism about Clinton to long-ingrained sexism -- and a sense that men, no matter what they say, just aren't ready for a female president...But in several interviews with Democratic men across the country, the stated reasons for their aversion to Clinton seem more complicated, and in many cases, far more visceral than substantive."
And Novak says of Huckabee, "More than personality explains why not all his Baptist brethren have signed on the dotted line for Huckabee. He did not join the 'conservative resurgence' that successfully rebelled against liberals in the Southern Baptist Convention a generation ago."
We'll start with the comments on the Clinton story.
graced8669 asked, "Why are we discussing gender? I don't see any articles about women not voting for a male president... Men still feel challenged by a strong woman. And women just continue to 'eat their own young'."
And csdiego said, "I'm so tired of hearing about a gender gap in Hillary's support. See, I'm a woman, and a Democrat... I just resent the idea that as a woman I'm supposed to support Hillary. I don't, anymore than I would support Margaret Thatcher or Condi Rice."
llawrence9 wrote, "We haven't had candidate so strongly disliked since George Wallace. She will bring the haters out, and their cousins too. Others will just sit it out. The vitriol and lies will be unbelievable. Yet believed... With Billary do nothing Dems will again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory..."
ihave4ducks said, "I have a somewhat different take on the gender gap by virtue of what I observe here at work. Women don't ssem to have a problem working for a male boss, but make the boss a woman and it's a different matter. I wonder if this mindset might not come into play when it's time for women to cast their vote for a female president."
buzzm1 wrote, "Sorry Hillary, I will never vote for you. When it comes to being domineering and head strong, Hillary makes GWB look like a wimp. We don't need another President who won't listen to the people."
hcsubbarao suggested that "Lois Romano must be a paid agent of the Obama camp. Otherwise, I can not understand how a woman can talk so disparagingly of another woman..."
aztecterp said, "For me it has nothing to do with her being a woman but her past actions when her husband was president. I'd be more than happy to vote for a woman, just not this one."
We'll close on this topic with johnycheng1, who wrote, "...Let's face it,you guys only know how to watch football and play power tools, when it comes to anything involving intelligence, politics, diplomcy, you guys knows nothing. So do your country a favor, read more,study more, and have a open mind... how long you can treat women as inferior species."
And now to Novak's column on Huckabee.
freedom41 said, "so some evangelicals don't like Huck because he's not some mindless tool? because he's not 100% conservative? All the more reason for normal people to like him."
garbage1 was one of several who thought they saw Novak carrying water for someone not named Huckabee in writing, "The reason Novak is doing this whack job is that Huckabee might actually believe in that eye of the needle stuff. At the church of mammon, however, we all know that tax cuts for the wealthy is the only dogma, and any apostate must be cast out. Get thee behind me!"
OldProgessivefromWisconsin said, "The fact that Huckabee isn't endorsed by the fanatical right-wing of the SBC [Southern Baptist Convention] makes me like him better all of the time... I can't immagine where thinking SBC's would go if they don't support Huckabee. A Mormon cultist, two multiple divorcees, an actor mostly from California and two politicians from New York and Massachusetts..."
R49Thomas suggested, "...Pastor Mike might not believe in the sacrament of Tax Cuts and may even question the most sacred doctrines (a) the legitimacy of American corporate entities and (b) unfettered free markets... When it comes down to God or Mammon, the choice is pretty easy: profit over prophet. Get thee behind me, Huckabee!"
Last word today goes to dyinglikeflies said, "You faux-conservatives have sowed the 'religious' wind all these years, so now reap the whirlwind. Most truly faithful people ultimately fall back on the concept of right and wrong, not guaranteed tax cuts for the rich... This just proves that ultimately the alliance that Rove relied upon between economic 'conservatives (they are really anything but) and the 'religious right' was doomed to fail, because the term 'religious right' is a contradiction in itself."
All comments on the Clinton story are here.
All comments on the Novak column are here.
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