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Does This Mean a Draft?

The U.S. military is pressuring President Bush to shift troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, the Post reports, and some of our Readers Who Comment have jumped on a word not in the story -- draft. The pressure on the White House comes because of Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan and an apparently improving situation in Iraq. But it is seen by our RWC as further proof of the folly that led to the Administration's decision to shift its emphasis from Afghanistan to Iraq in the first place.

Michael Abramowitz and Peter Baker quote senior officials who "say Bush will listen closely to his military commanders... but is unlikely to do anything he believes could jeopardize recent, hard-won security improvements in Iraq." That sentence seems to be the jump-off point for the draft talk in the comment string today.

It started with StaggoLee, a regular visitor to Iraq stories, who asked, "Oh, God--do I hear the word draft floating around?"

And tdiaz said "Actually a military draft would be the best thing that could happen to end this war... Death is the most democratic institution there is, and a military draft puts it all in focus."

vatownsend jumped in, saying, "Well tdiaz, since you are all for bring back the draft, I will push forward to make sure you are the first to get drafted. If not you then we draft your children, or even your grandchildren..."

unitmom opined that "Bush knows the draft must be reinstated but he doesn't have the guts to do it. He plans to leave that decision for the next President who will be stuck with Bush's wars for years to come..."

jjambillbob wrote, "Whats going to happen is the jails will really over run with young men, because alot of them will refuse to go into the army... I here a lot of young people say the rather sit behind the walls then fight the Bush war!"

The draft is by no means the only subject our readers discussed, but the others covered familiar ground in the long debates about Iraq, Afghanistan, our allies, and both the political and military conduct of the so-called War on Terror.

coloradan said that "Afghanistan has suffered due to the incompetence of Dim Bulb Bush. The Taliban is gaining power. The reason we went into Afghanistan was to capture Osama, the mastermind of 9-11. Bush has failed the American people by forgetting Osama and has us mired in a no win situation in Iraq..."

buzzm1 observed that it "Seems the coalition forces in Iraq, and Afghanistan, are both dwindling in numbers. Other countries in the coalition are either withdrawing their troops entirely, or they are insisting that their troops only be support personnel, not frontline participants. I think they are trying to tell us something. Perhaps we should be listening."

forestbloggod, in one of several extended posts, reminded us of the terrible toll that has been extracted from Iraqis themselves in writing, "...as if a 'surge of information' could wash away the blood of a million dead iraqi citizens..."

wvining said, "Well it's official - Bush is on the brink of losing BOTH WARS he started. I guess this is what republicans call being 'tough on terror'..."

rl5614 wrote, "If Bush would have listened to his generals from the start Iraq would have been done years ago, thousands of troops would have not been injured or killed and we would have been home already, Bin Laden would have already been killed and the taliban would be nothing but a bad memory. But he didn't so why would he [s]tart now?..."

We'll close with the sarcasm of Flabergasted, who said, "If only we could get something going in Iran, we have a trifecta! A neocon dream come true. Perpetual war on as many fronts as possible."

All comments on the military resources story are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  December 17, 2007; 9:10 AM ET
Categories:  Iraq  
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Posted by: Ann-fx | December 24, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

we are hardly a "100 percent volunteer" military; national guardsfolk signed up for a variety of reasons, few of which are to be sent overseas. they are meant to help in emergencies on US soil, not by watering foreign lands with their blood.

people are let out of criminal proceedings by joining the military; they are promised money for college, they're promised fast track citizenship.

they are not allowed to quit, having to serve multiple rotations, regardless of their morals, regardless of having been injured; even raped, women must report for duty under the command of those who have wronged her.

a draft? sure. that's the windswell that stokes a fire, right?

these wars of choice and profit for the few deserve no great call to service. the youth need to be educated so we can avoid future manipulations in the works.

Posted by: forestbloggod | December 22, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

To those of you who would encourage dishonesty to avoid being drafted:

Shame on all of you. First off, the draft, although would be economically beneficial, will NEVER be reinstated. This nation is proud of it's 100% volunteer army.

Second of all, who shouldn't line up to be in the ranks if/when this nation needs defending from some foreign enemy? (And for those that care, I did enlist. I did my time.) I'm the first to admit that the war is bogus. I never thought invasion of Iraq was justified and I didn't think we acted fast enough (waiting until March 02 to retaliate).

What everyone fails to realize is that unless WE (a nation as a whole) get out to vote and make our opinions heard to get the right people in office, our troops will continue to be sent into countries that need not be occupied. Does anyone else see that we cannot just point fingers and say "not my president" or "not my problem"? As much as it pains me to say, he is our president and it's everyone's problem. We need to start to make a difference. Care about state and local elections, put people in office that want what we want and we won't have to ever have disscussions on pointless wars or hypothetical drafts.

Pam

Posted by: PL | December 20, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's see...restart the draft? Don't like it? Don't want to fight in a war? ...No Problem!....Just tell the selecive service system you're gay....
Enjoy your life!

Posted by: John | December 20, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I haven't read this whole comment section because I'm getting too riled up, but since when is killing people considered civic duty. Especially when we're not even fighting for the same reason as when we started anymore. We are not defending this country (to those that use that transparent argument) we are trying to police the world. When are people going to see that this is not a democracy and we (at least the politicians in power) are trying to dictate not only what our own people do, think, and believe - but the whole world as well. Stupid wars... We were better off during Nam. At least there were hippies that knew the right answers. Peace and Love are the way to a better world not killing people that don't agree with you.

I'd love to see everyone that thinks the draft should be reinstated to go sign up for the military. There would be no need for a draft if they did... Besides, they're the ones that think killing people is "doing good" - let 'em freakin' die.

Whatever... I'm done ranting.

Peace,
David

Posted by: darobison | December 19, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Like I told you before, your corrupt congress will always send the money.
12-19-07: Another 70 billion of your tax dollars sent to Iraq in "unrestricted funds". No receipts, no accounting. No knowing where the money is going. The CEOs in Iraq thank you. Fools.

Posted by: Awake | December 19, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Like Dicky Cheney said 5 Times during VietNam War when U. S. Government Tried To DRAFT Him... "I have other Priorities" than wasting my time in Military Service, and the Risk-Return Ratio does Not Meet My Minimum Requirements for ROE!

Posted by: Dogbert | December 18, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Every parent of a son: get your child diagnosed as having asthma, scoliosis or some other osteo-muscular defect. Being overweight;having a legal and illegal drug habit by self-affirmation,and chronic depression will achieve a 4F status. That category means the draftee is unfit for military service.
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Or you could just tell them your daddy's a congressman.

Posted by: puciret | December 18, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Draft in the event of defending this Nation is one thing. Draft to defend the Great Deciders right to play God that's a horse of a different color.

Posted by: puciret | December 18, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

I honestly do not understand what is so wrong with reinstating the draft. When did it become so WRONG to defend this nation?

Perhaps, if the powers that be, finally step up and demand military service from the youth of the nation we would see fewer unskilled unemployed individuals cashing in on welfare checks and relying too heavily on government programs for sustaining their very mediocre lives.

The armed forces offer more to individuals than weapons training. Who cares if I have to learn to shoot an M-16 if I can come out with a way to support myself? Somewhere along the line we became a nation of whiners with the mentality that everything that's wrong is SOMEONE ELSE'S problem.

Just think -- at 18 you go serve your nation for a few years, pick up some skills so that when you get out at 20/21 you can get a job that, oh I don't know, pays the bills!!! Those that so blindly oppose the draft should consider that the economic future of this country that is back-sliding into oblivion could benefit from a nation of financially independent people.

To all the individuals that shout at the top of your lungs that the draft is EVIL, consider you have that right because of a militia that banded together to fight oppression. Why shouldn't you have to fight for this great nation in order to maintain that right for your children?

Posted by: PL | December 17, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

susan a;

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Posted by: dan | December 17, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Every parent of a son: get your child diagnosed as having asthma, scoliosis or some other osteo-muscular defect. Being overweight;having a legal and illegal drug habit by self-affirmation,and chronic depression will achieve a 4F status. That category means the draftee is unfit for military service.

Posted by: tanaS | December 17, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

If it's a draft they want, then start with the oldest first. That would give the chicken hawks who missed out on Viet Nam a chance to demonstrate their patriotism in a meaningful way.

Posted by: socrates2 | December 17, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The USA has become a nation of class-conscious libertarian narcissists.

It's about time that civic duty trumps the ever rampant entitlement mentality.

It's about time for universal military service.

Otherwise the republic is lost!

Posted by: Civic Humanist | December 17, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The Bush administration has always needed a "monster" opponent. For a while it was the 9/11 terrorists in Afghanistan. Then it became the all-powerful Saddam Hussein. They have been vamping now for a while, but seem on the brink of reincarnating the Taliban as the necessary "monster" in Afghanistan. Bush is by no means dumb--he knows what he's doing.

Posted by: larry | December 17, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Two years ago a soldier posted to Afghanistan told me "its all going to come down around our ears someday". He said that when troops were sent to Iraq, they left only enough troops in Afghanistan to cover the most populated areas. This allowed the Taliban to stream back into the rest of the country undeterred, just biding their time until they reached critical mass. But more importantly, until them it allowed for the impression that things were going well in Afghanistan, which of course could not have been farther from the truth.

In August 2004, while REpubs were bragging about having taken out the Taliban, Doctors without Borders was ordered from the country by the Taliban, and when they refused had 5 staff members murdered. When asked why they didn't just withdraw to the "safer" ares, they responded that there weren't any places safe from the Taliban.

Now they want a draft so that we can get embroiled in a repeat of Russia's disaster there?

We blew it. We had a chance to fix it and we wasted it invading Iraq. We now have two failed states, world antipathy, and unless we find a genius to lead us, we're going to have to choose between walking away from this mess (which might well be our country's downfall), and pouring our lives, talent and treasure down this black hole that will mark the end of the US as a superpower.

The future of our security is in energy independence. If we no longer need their natural resources, we'll fall of the terrorist's radar while they direct their ire at the next superpower out to control them (China, India or Russia). I think a better science education (like where you learn to respect science instead of twisting it to political ends) for our young people so they can innovate us to energy independence is a much better use of our nation's young lives than wasting them in a failed war.

Posted by: susan a | December 17, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The draft is necessary to sustain new wars. We will remain in Iran as it rebuilds. The forces have their individual skills except the National Guard. Retrospectively, it was a mistake sending them over without specific skills. The Guard is not a substitute for the Army. The draft will allow the troops to be trained, cycle in for a fixed duration and then cycle out. Eventually you will build up a trained ready reserve.

Posted by: Beaconps | December 17, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey ex-Navy, you said it all.

Posted by: ex-Marine | December 17, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Afganistan is where we always should have been. Put our brave men back where the real enemy is and let Iraq heal the wounds we gave it. Bush is psychotic about Iraq and someone needs to tell him that Iraq is not our enemy, well, it wasn't until he made them our enemies. What a waste.

The worst thing is America voted for him AFTER his idiocy and psychosis were proven. America had better wise up or our future is bleak. I mean, when the likes of Amadinajad can make America look bad, we've lost a lot!

Posted by: Sully | December 17, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Luke, your ideas are excellent and rich with possibilities. Thanks for making me think. The worst anyone here can call you is ahead of your time.

Posted by: jhbyer | December 17, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

i'm a little busy to be making followup comments but thank you for your comments Jh byer. Its never too late to make adjustments -- even in Iraq and afghanistan. some 300,000 to 500,000 iraqi's have lost their lives regardless of whether or not they were militant or hated us or wanted to kill us. These were real people and families that can never come back. They can never be in a position to change their minds. i think there are adjustments being made now by surviving iraqis to the realities and future possible ramifications that so that they have decided to back us at present time.

in regards to present policy its not the number of troops that our military can send in to conflict areas that has a significant impact on success but a thoughtful, reasonable and adaptable strategy that can have a significant chance of success at a reasonable cost. Due diligence.

try giving our enemies respect. They do believe they are more ethical then we are. reach consensus with them.

if you have read harry potter, you will realize the similarities between Cornelius Fudge ministry of magic and Dolores umbridge in their intransigence and present administration. a little humor i hope.

Posted by: Chaplin L. Liu | December 17, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Army Dad,
Hate to tell you, but your only fighting for 1% of America. The ultra-wealthy 1%.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey HEY HEY ! ! Bring the draft back. These lazy ignorant kids being raised by turn key parents need discipline and rules. Every kid...yours, mine the presidents...EVERY!

If you don't want to fight for our country then get the heck out, for you bring nothing to our country but shame.

Posted by: Army dad of 2 "girls" | December 17, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Fools! War is coming. This minor clash in the middle east is just to secure the resources needed for the coming war. A real war! Estimated death toll is about 5 billion. It is inevitable and necessary. The good of the species requires it. Only then will the survivors realize they're folly. Only then will they abolish the two most destructive forces in the world today. Religion and nationalism. Flip sides of the same coin that says "we are better than you". Only then will they realize that we are all the same. Every person on this planet can claim, "I am human." This is the glue which binds us together. The survival and well being of the species is what's important. Unfortunately, to reach the light at the end of the tunnel, you have to go through the tunnel. The darkness comes, but it will be followed by enlightenment.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 17, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Chaplin L. Lui, your insightful comment recalls the wise military advice, I believe, of a Chinese leader, "Know your enemy. Know yourself." Bush is said to dismiss the latter as "navel gazing" and actually rejected the former to the extent of initially burying reports compiled by experts at State. I fear it may be too late...

Posted by: jhbyer | December 17, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

How about this?

Do a draft, but do it differently. Here's what I thought of.

Draft men and women between the ages of 20-23. Both poor and rich. Both celebrity and sports star. Both son of an oil czar and daughter of some father working at Pizza Hut. Train them for a full year. Maybe two. Give them two months off during November and December and then complete the requirement in February of the following year. The interest rate of student loans should be frozen during this period and they should be paid for their service even if it's minimum wage.

What next? Give them a choice.

One : They join the Peace Corps.
Two : They join the army or some other branch in the military and are deployed somewhere other than the Middle East.
Three : They join the army or some other branch in the military and go to the Middle East.
Four : They go home.

In case of two and three they are given even more training to raise their probability of survival. In case of four, they will have military experience and could properly deal with such things as bank robberies, bomb threats, plane hijackings, and other such situations.

Put another way, those that choose option four would be very capable of defending themselves in case they were attacked at home or during their everyday lives and could potentially be called upon in case of a REAL national emergency, such as if an ACTUAL country attacks us and not some group of CROOKS.

While this "draft" is in play, the politicians should begin looking into alternative ways of resolving this conflict. If we truly absolutely want to wipe terror off of the face of the Earth then we might as well start dropping bombs on everyone because terrorists are a part of life.

While this "draft" is in play, the politicians should start raising veterans' benefits. People would be a lot more inclined to join up if their country didn't abandon them because they lost a few limbs.

If we ever get out of this war and are able to return to "peace", the draft would still be in play. Under this system some people would not be required to serve because their numbers never came up. Oh, well.

I believe that more people would be willing to fight if they were drafted and given a choice as to how they wanted to serve with the knowledge that if they chose to subject themselves to active duty and came home wounded they wouldn't be shunned because they don't have a super model body and can't find a job because employers prefer people with two hands.

Put another way, this sort of draft might "awaken the warrior within" and encourage draftees to stay in the military after their one or two years are up. Please pardon the expression.

I believe more people would be willing to fight if they saw the conflict as sensible and necessary.

Begin sarcasm. Will this happen? Nah. Let's do it the good ol' Vietnam way. Yeah. Great idea. Keep those rich kids at home and those celebrities in the movies. Anyone who dodges the draft will be stripped of their citizenship because you're not a citizen if you don't serve in the military. Taxes don't count. The old fashioned draft will give kids "discipline" and will get rid of that rap music that's been blaring on the radio. It'll put women back in the kitchen "where they belong" and return this country to it's gool ol' fashioned 1950's values. End sarcasm. Some people actually think the draft will do all of that!

As someone who would be subjected to the draft WHEN it comes (don't give me that "it costs too much" BS, they'll still do it), I'd be more inclined to subject myself to the draft I have formulated, which would be fair, just, and full of FREEDOM. If by some FAR chance they think of my idea (since great minds think alike) they had better do it NOW.

But don't listen to me. Heck, don't even read my post. Call me dirty names and see if I care. I'm just sick and tired of hearing the draft being tossed back and forth like some political pancake.

Posted by: Luke | December 17, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Bladerunner says:

"A building doesn't collapse straight down because the iron beams are hot."

I know this is off-topic, but I must point out that, first, steel is weakened considerably as the temperature rises. You can find the engineering data, but basically, the yield strength may drop 50% or more at temperatures well short of melting.

As as for the building falling straight down, from Physics 101 we recall that a body accelerates in a direction that is the vector sum of the forces acting on it. In this case, the only force acting on the building was gravity--straight down.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 17, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

We have a very interesting situation where some Democrats want to reinstate the draft as a means of generating enough public outcry to end our involvement in Iraq. Fortunately, there won't be a draft. As a former career military member, we don't want or need a draft. We have enough troubles in the ranks without large numbers of poorly motivated troops entering the service. Besides the uproar and civil unrest it would cause, it would take too long to gear up the draft system, actually induct the draftees, train and deploy them for the draft to be of any use in the Iraq conflict. Contrary to what mostly appears in the press, our enlisted ranks are full of bright young men and women who are motivated to serve their country, are well trained and can be trusted to do the difficult work and make the tough decisions asked of them. We have a military to be proud of. These are the reasons why it is so shameful that the Bush administration continues to send are best and brightest to get killed/injured in Iraq for NO reason. Iraq was NOT a direct threat to the US or our vital national interests. Since it did not pose such a threat, it did not require our servicemen and women to lose their lives. It pains me every time I hear someone say that the troops are fighting to protect our rights or our safety. It just isn't true. On the large scale, they are fighting because of the poor judgment of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz that invading Iraq would achieve some lofty aims. On the small scale, they are fighting to protect their buddies and themselves.

Posted by: ex-Navy | December 17, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the writer who said the military doesn't want a draft. But like in all things some in the military like the neoconville's do. The Neocons led by Dick Cheney and Company want us to get tied up in wars and like the Germans did in WWII--try to tie it to patriotism.
I don't have solid proof, but my gut tells me that 9/11 was in inside job. A building doesn't collapse straight down because the iron beams are hot. Hydro carbon fires will burn around 900 degrees, it would take up to 1500 degrees, and more time for that to happen.

Posted by: bladerunner | December 17, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

How any of you can rationalize a draft as a morally sound principle to stop a war is beyond me.

No man should ever have to fight for a cause against his will, especially when the result is a a game of political gotcha. To use the draft as a way to stop a war defeats the purpose of liberty and freedom from the outset.

Are there no men of principle left in this country?

Posted by: X | December 17, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

administration should really do a lot of background research pertaining to the regions of conflict to be successful whether present or future --- Iraq and afghanistan. Understand tribal politics. Understand differences between Sunni and Shia. how Iraq was created. Understand their culture. Understand the big picture about the whole region that involves syria, turkey, jordan , kuwait ,Iran, egypt and Israel. Who was gertrude bell? what impact did the sympes/piccard accord have on our current dilemma . why were the Kurds left out of their own country but relegated to being mountain people between three countries. why were the sunnis placed in power in Iraq despite the shia population being more predominant. how did the Turkish government before WWI have an impact on current government.Why was the hasemite monarch killed. How can we work or transform in a constructive and positive manner the secular baathist party --- which is still very strong in Syria if not in iraq. ( the baathist party will have to be dealt with in the future if we make peace with Syria). why did the baathist party allow christians to be high level members? Understand and/or speak their language. Understand subtleties in accents related to different regions. what impact nuclear weapons would have on temple mount if it was accidentally destroyed by israel's enemies?

I hope our president can do all of the above things but to be honest, i am not sure he is aware of the need to do any of the above suggestions. He can be successful -- if he tried. Staying in Crawford Texas is probably not helpful in times of crisis. i am reminded about Colonel Paul Yingling's criticisms of the military. I think those criticisms should also pertain to our leaders.

Posted by: Chaplin L. Liu | December 17, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

If a draft had been in place when bush started this mess, it would have been ended some time ago. If all Americans had an involvement they wouldn't just be telling the poll takers they don't want the war, they would be marching on Washington and if necessary, pushing bush out the door.

Say and believe what you will, the current voluntary process of military involvement is unfair and specifically to a small percentage of people and in a large part to the more disavantaged. If this country is going to play war, then with the draft everybody can have the opportunity to play. Particulary those gung ho types who have never experienced combat but can only talk soldier. They would be the first to cry, "I won't go"

Posted by: Ken | December 17, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

You can all stop worrying about a draft. It is completely impractical. Listen:

US 18-23 year old population (Census) = 26 million est in 2010--the population traditionally subject to a draft.

Recruiting needs (now):
Army 80,000 per year
Marines 38,000 per year

2002 Births: 4,200,000 (from Census)--use 4,000,000 for number of persons becoming 18 each year. (The 18-year old cohort is actually larger if immigration is considered).

For male and female draft of 18-year olds, then, portion taken by current ground forces = 4,000,000/118,000 = 1 in 33.89, or 2.95% of total 18-year old cohort. (If the pool is 18-23 year olds, then the percentage taken is 26,000,000/118000 = 1 in 220, or 0.45% of this pool.)

If male/female ratio is 80/20, then this would be about 94,400 men and 23,600 women required now per year.

What will the other 97.64% of men and 99.41% of women be doing be doing after they are drafted? Marching around with wooden rifles? Or do we just not take them, which then makes conscription of a few grossly unfair?

If we assume the usual two-year term, this is 8 million. So instead of a small, professional and lethal Army/Marine corps, we will just have a bloated ill-trained eight-million person army of disgruntled teenagers. Let's just hope we never need it to, say, defend the country.

Sorry to interject facts here, but nobody wants a draft--least of all the military.

Posted by: John | December 17, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Bush and his criminal cronies would love to impose the draft. What would a better way to further suspend the constitutional rights of the American people.

Political activity is way down, because many people are afraid of loosing their jobs and medical benefits. Draft will immediately override these fears, and the outrage will be spilled from the pages of the blogs to the streets. And some blood will be spilled too. Then Bush and Co. will be tried as war criminals. I'd rather die myself then let you kill my children.

Posted by: Indeendent | December 17, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to go fight in a war that I don't believe in with methods that I don't believe to be effecient.

Now I'm proud to be an American, and I love my country and (at least most) Americans... if we had a real enemy and I was called to fight, I would, but then give me good weapons, some decent armor and a strategy to go out there and blast and destroy our enemies, not half-heartedly pandering to Iraqi government, international pressure and "human rights" concerns.

I don't blame our troops, its the generals and policy makers that are screwed up. If Iraq / Iran / Afganistan really is the enemy, then let's go over there and have a shoot-em up. I'm pretty sure we'll win that. And if they aren't, let's leave them alone.

Posted by: nowaynodraft | December 17, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The GI is cheered on, as he (or she) goes away to war. Much of the cheering is from the "Thank God it's Not Me or My Kids" crowd. As long as there is no draft, a non-service president will be able to send his personal army into undeclared wars of his choosing. The Americans will keep letting it happen, as long as "IT'S NOT ME OR MY KIDS GOING!" When we are at war, everyone should carry a piece of it. Re-intall the draft, raise taxes to pay for it. Had is not been for the draft, we would probably still be in Viet Nam, because those who were not directly or indirectly involved just didn't give a damn! We should, as a nation be ashamed!

Posted by: Ralph | December 17, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I registered for the draft in 1952. Fastest way out of the Wars is to make everyone (M & F) between 17 and 35 register for the draft. No deferments except for illness. Stand back from the uproar.

Posted by: Peter H Beal | December 17, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

We don't need a draft. We need to bring home all troops from Iraq and NOW. Send some to Afghanistan to rid them of the Taliban and Bin Laden once and for all, then bring them home right away. Stop all this unending war b.s.

Posted by: capone1 | December 17, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

and of....for crying out loud....

you want the "new majority" to un-do what the republicans have been bending us over and shoving it in for years???

YEARS......


Get real, give them some time.

Posted by: laugh-a-minute | December 17, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

gastrau,

because if you don't vote....then you have no right to complain.

because with your vote, maybe someday a "good" person will be voted in.

because it is our responsibility to our nation to at least TRY!!

Posted by: laugh-a-minute | December 17, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

With the last two spineless Congresses,
I think it is a definite possiblity.
But sorry been there, done that.

With a new majority in Congress, why
has nothing changed.
Please tell again why I should vote in 2008.

Posted by: gastrau | December 17, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Why not send the people that work at "The Heritage Foundation", "Family Research Council", or "American Enterprise Institute", those boneheads that claim to be experts or some kind "think-tanks"??? Aren't think-tanks supposed to come up with smart ideas? Let them all ail in the desert a few years.

Posted by: Ovocop | December 17, 2007 10:44 AM


NOW THAT WAS FUNNY!

I would also suggest you send all the X-tians who are in support of the Bush Admin, and in support of hurrying along their version of "Armageddon"

Posted by: what-a-riot | December 17, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

All bush needs is a phony 9/11 again. He could declare a national emergency, start a draft and cancel the next election..fits well with the neocon efforts to distroy this nation. The ones that fight the draft would be criminalized and jailed and that would further the necessity of martial law. We are doomed to live as slaves with the same rights as any other farm animals.

Posted by: Whiteyward | December 17, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

we don't need a draft and the military doesn't want one.

Posted by: Frank Taylor | December 17, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

America was sold on abolishing the draft on the untested theory that our youth would check on the commander in Chief. Cheney can't be happy that the test is now underway.

Posted by: jhbyer | December 17, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Bush has secretly privatised even the army right under our noses. Blackwater is his paid hessions and Haliburton pitches the tents for the troops and even cooks the meals, at great profit.

Posted by: thesage1 | December 17, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The war in Iraq makes sense only if you consider that Bush 2 had a score to settle on behalf of Bush 1. Bush 1 had been called a "wimp" by some macho idiots, and Bush 2 decided to restore the family "honor" - much the same as Kings used to do in the good old days before untidy events like the American Revolution.

A draft will make more pawns available.

Posted by: Alain James | December 17, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I would love a draft. I'd just sit back and watch the fire works show on the college campuses. It would be one grand show.

But the chickenhawks in this administration realize it's ok to massacre innocent Iraqis and our "all-volunteer" soldiers and Marines but when you start messing around with the lives of little Johnnie and Janie living in the suburbs, then those SUVs will be cranked up in a second and rip right into every congressional office in the land. Hey, Christmas shopping will probably be delayed, for an hour anyway.

What a disguising country we live in.

Posted by: Stewart | December 17, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I would love a draft. I'd just sit back and watch the fire works on the college campuses. It would be one grand show. But the chickenhawks in this administration realize it's ok to massacre innocent Iraqis and our "all-volunteer" soldiers and Marines but when you start messing around with the lives of little Johnnie and Janie in the suburbs, then those SUVs will be cranked up in a second and rip right into every congressional office in the land. Hey, Christmas shopping will probably be delayed, for an hour anyway.

What a disguising country we live in.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 17, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

All hell would break loose if they tried to reinstate the draft. I trust those in charge know this. But then again, I trust them to know that war is a thing to be avoided and that hasn't worked out so well.

Posted by: Sara B. | December 17, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Exactly, instead of suffering the political consequences of drafting US citizens, Bush will continue to outsource the job to cheap foreign labor....

Posted by: Claudia | December 17, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Draft and support neocon troops!

Posted by: Anonymous | December 17, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Why not send the people that work at "The Heritage Foundation", "Family Research Council", or "American Enterprise Institute", those boneheads that claim to be experts or some kind "think-tanks"??? Aren't think-tanks supposed to come up with smart ideas? Let them all ail in the desert a few years.

Posted by: Ovocop | December 17, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If they want to people in the streets to end these wars quick they can reinstate the draft and they know this.

Posted by: Thesage1 | December 17, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

No, there will be no draft. Congress is so far from passing a draft it's hilarious to even mention it.

The last draft bill was put forth a few years ago and was defeated in the Senate 98-2, I believe, or 99-1. Slaughtered either way. Could you imagine the public backlash to a draft for a war when the war has almost no support and Bush has even less?

Posted by: Brian | December 17, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps that silver spoon who is about to become his son-in-law can go.

Posted by: NotmeNotmykids | December 17, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The son of a bit*h is not going to draft my kids! They are just as good as his kids.

Posted by: thesage1 | December 17, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

The draft is being avoided by creating their own private army called Blackwater.

Posted by: Jon Gold | December 17, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

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