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No subject -- not presidential politics, not the war in Iraq -- generates more hate-filled comments from some of our readers than illegal immigration. Today, N.C. Aizenman reports that a "vibrant Latino subculture" in Prince William County, Va., is coming unglued because of "the construction downturn, the mortgage crisis and new local laws aimed at catching illegal immigrants."

The article takes written snapshots of a failing restaurant, a church rapidly losing members, deserted strip malls and a growing collection of for-sale signs to document both fear and exodus. This is happening in a suburban Washington county with a new policy allowing police to check the immigration status of people stopped for other violations.

Several who comment dismiss the article as a "sob story." Some see it as one-sided and ask such questions as "has the crime rate gone down?" a query not addressed in this collection of snapshots. Some respond with sympathy and understanding for the plight faced by many Latinos, including the fear that affects some of those legally in the United States. Some see racism.

This subject is not going away and requires a significantly more civilized national discussion than this emotional issue is getting now.

We'll start with Lavrat2000, who set the tone in writing, "ANother WAPO story about illegal immigrants and how we should feel sorry for them. However, this story made me hope that more communities will do the same as Prince William COuntry so that we can make illegals understand that it is time to go back to their own country. We don't want them here stealing taxpayer dollars for benfits for themselves and their anchor babies."

And Bob22003 added, "Sorry, Washington Post, no one cares that communities based on illegal entry into the United States are unraveling. What we care about is that the rule of law prevails, that people who are US citizens or who came here legally are not disadvantaged by cheaters who jumped the line... Prince William County is on the right track..."

But kakimiller said, "TWO WORDS - INSTITUTIONALIZE RACISM. How absolutely horrible that Prince William's County is allow to do this to human beings."

And tydicea predicted that "...With the feeding frenzy in full swing and open season declared on Latino immigrants none of the zealots have taken into account the bigger picture of the repercussions. There will be many more such stories to come, and many more communities that will pay dearly for it."

postisarag wrote, "Finally, some good news in another silly sob story... Just breaks my heart to hear that these criminals are finally going back to their home country."

But coldbliss said, "Uh oh...the "Wake Up White People" crowd is posting more hate messages... Man, do these people have any grains of intelligence left? The Republicans from Prince William County are catering to their base: fearful white people who harbor racist attitudes towards other cultures..."

Woodbridgeboy responded, saying, "coldbliss is a fool...Blacks in Prince William County are one of the biggest supporters of the Illegal alien crackdown...don't get it twisted dude..."

And DudeCameron said, "I live in PWC. I own a home in PWC. I am an AFRICAN AMERICAN. I am VERY HAPPY that these people are FINALLY being forced to obey the RULE OF LAW. God bless Corey A. Stewart [chairman of the county Board of Supervisors] and ALL of the citizens of PWC for voting into LAW what the Federal government should be doing..."

thowieb wrote, "It's reprehensible that immigrants are treated this way. This is indicadive of the entire economic structure of this country. Face it; this nation is in a depression. We haven't seen the worst of it yet!"

Freethinker2 said, "All that is unfortunate, but let's remember that people who come into a country illegally, and those who cater to them for financial gain, are at risk of things like this happening. No amount of touching, humanizing stories painting illegal immigrants and those who profit from them as "victims" can change that."

j2hess observed that "When feeding your family is outlawed, only outlaws will feed their family. It will be interesting to see what happens as the decrease in the economy radiates outside of the Latino community to everyone else in the county. Profits and tax receipts will go down; housing costs will go down, labor costs will rise... I'm glad this experiment is happening in someone else's neighborhood."

Va_Lady2008 , quoting the article's statement that 'County officials who have campaigned for months to drive out illegal immigrants say they would be unhappy to see businesses suffer or legal immigrants forced out in the process,' responded with this comment: "Somehow I doubt it."

RoboFlop wrote, "Am I to feel sorry for them because they feel afraid? Don't all people who've broken the law feel afraid that they're going to be caught? Finally, the government obeyed the will of the people they claim to represent, and started enforcing laws that were already on the books."

ellenlawson said, "Of all the outrages resulting from tolerance of illegal immigration the most unforgivable one is the mere fact that they were able to buy houses. It is no wonder we have this housing crisis that now will affect all of us who bought our houses on adequate income and how now will likely NEVER be able to sell them for a decent price..."

Palmer wrote, "These stories are heart-breaking, but the situation is a result of unregulated immigration. The problems really belong to Mexico and El Salvador and elsewhere that cannot provide a decent life for obviously decent people."

We'll close with CHICO13, who said, "...We get it, latinos are on the run, PWC residents are overjoyed, hatred on both sides of the issue grow stronger with every passing word printed here. The only new deveolpment I see will be the empty strip malls gathering tumbleweeds in PWC. In this economic downturn, which PWC resident will be brave enough to open a new business there?"

All comments on this article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  March 27, 2008; 6:22 AM ET
Categories:  Illegal Immigrants  
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Immigration concerns in our country can be partially caused by our own actions as a country totally unknown by the citizenry of the US. The majority of our attitudes are that if a person wants to make a life here in the US then let them go through the correct avenues to get here. Our states post a shortage of doctors and nurses, yet we turn them a way at our foreign consulates when they apply for a visa to visit. A visit visa to meet hospital dept. heads, state licensing boards, etc. The State Depts. web site looks nice, friendly, and welcoming to visitors from other countries. But the guidelines by which a foreigner gets a visa to the US can be expensive and heartbreaking. When a person has crossed all the t`s and doted the i`s, paid the fees and they are denied and given "You don't qualify, there is no guarantee sir or madam that you will return to your home country," as a reason.". Does a person purchase a flight ticket that includes a return flight not knowing if they will get the visa? Both expenses, obviously, are non-refundable. This foreigner I speak of is a respected physician in the last few months of a residency program. She has a son, a large family all of whom have a visa to visit and plans for a Disney trip next year. She has a vacation in May and wanted to meet me after one year of conversing on the phone and internet as well as meet hospital and board members to ascertain the opportunities of making a life here for her son, my children and me. Obviously, she would have to return to her country, her son, and her last month of a long residency program to complete the medical training as an Anesthesiologist. But she was denied.
Maybe these are the reasons why our U.S. Coast Guard spends so much time and tax revenue repatriating people from other countries. Possibly they have tried the correct avenues of visas but have been denied based on issues of not having enough money in their bank account, divorce, no children or lack of any hard visual reason to return to their native country. Or whatever the reason of the day is.
I was appalled when the Mexican flag was waved in protects a year or so back, I think in L.A. That flag should have been taken by the police and removed from those protests. This is the U.S. and no other country but the U.S. Too many lives have been lost to make the U.S. what it is. But what it is a fabric of immigrants from many countries.
Obviously, we don't need more people here on government help. And since we continue to let all our jobs go to Mexico, China, India, not to mention our resources, we have an unemployment rate that is shameful when you look at all the jobs that have gone to other countries. Yes we need to protect our borders for numerous reasons. But when a person tries the correct way and they are denied something is not right. We simply wanted to meet to see if we should continue talking. Thanks USCIS for nothing!
Upset in Indiana

Posted by: steve | April 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: fabiola-xg | April 22, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I am a Prince William County resident. I just want to say I am thrilled to see these illegals run from our county. Also, I don't mind paying the extra taxes for the police work to be enforced to ask the questions when stopped and arrested if needed. It is great now when I drive upto a 7 & 11 store there is no mob of illegals standing in the parking lot or at a Home Depot. I haven't personally seen info on emergency room visitations by uninsured but I bet there is a dramatic drop in these visitations too releaving the strain on our overburden hospital sysem. As for the park services being over runned that too is being reduced also leaving room for legal resident children to enjoy the parks. As for the empty business now abandoned these too will fill up once again, only this time by legal residents looking to better themselves. To those people whining about what PWC is doing to the illegals, either you are with us or with them. If you chose them then I invite you to pack your bags and leave to county too.

Posted by: bogart | April 14, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

that community was full of illegals who consumed at least as much taxes as they paid.
good riddance. the county will take an economic hit in some ways, but that's the price you pay to put your house in order after expelling trespassers.

Posted by: marco polo | March 28, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

The Doug Feaver article says that immigration articles provoke hate comments.
If so, why didn't he post some hate filled comments?

Posted by: Golden Glider | March 28, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Tens of thousands of violent crimes are committed each year against our children by predatory aliens who should never have been allowed to enter or stay in our country. The most disturbing aspect of this problem is the thousands of unregistered sex offenders who have entered the United States illegally and therefore are not being tracked. These dangerous sex offenders are not included in the Megan's Law data bases, and not even the police know their whereabouts or identities.

While this site deals with predatory aliens who commit violent crimes against our children, we must remember that the real criminals are the politicians and government employees who prohibit enforcement of our immigration laws and the proper screening of foreign nationals who enter our country. There can be no penalty too harsh for these politicians and government employees who are willing to sacrifice our children for their own perverse agenda.

In Operation Predator sweeps, from July 9, 2003 to July 19, 2005, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents arrested more than 5,100 foreign national sexual predators in the United States of America. The top 10 states for Operation Predator arrests were California (1,578), Texas (545), New Jersey (423), New York (367), Illinois (282), Florida (255), Arizona (207), Minnesota (190), Michigan (153), and Oregon (148). ICE, Operation Predator

http://www.predatoryaliens.com/

Posted by: Andy Jackson | March 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

http://www.mexica-movement.org/

Here are some more quotes from the net to ponder-the Anti-Americanism and sedition is rank and profuse.

"treefres (Youtube) ur wrong. nobody must learn english. and please dont confuse euros with 'americans' nor legals for illegal either. euro'americans' are on STOLEN lands and XXXX what you want.

"i agree with ya'll, i want all the illegals off MY land.. starting with every single stinky honky didly doo like you..then "us" REAL Americans will discuss the mexican immigrants, but first. all honkies, their sexually diseased livestock, and their gay pornagraphy must be deported back to Armenia, or wherever you honkites come from!.."
- "AmericanDNA" (youtube)This guy claims only mexicans are real Americans because their DNA is Aztec.

This group call for open sedition and the creation of a new Hispanic country on American soil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN1kp1ggWyM

They title themselves the "pinky show" (the pink tide is a growing marxist indigenous movement in Latin America with ties to FARC, Chavez, and Al-Queda.

One of their products is t-shirt with their cartoon cats holding AK-47s

Posted by: Andy Jackson | March 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

http://www.mexica-movement.org/

Here are some more quotes from the net to ponder-the Anti-Americanism and sedition is rank and profuse.

"treefres (Youtube) ur wrong. nobody must learn english. and please dont confuse euros with 'americans' nor legals for illegal either. euro'americans' are on STOLEN lands and XXXX what you want.

"i agree with ya'll, i want all the illegals off MY land.. starting with every single stinky honky didly doo like you..then "us" REAL Americans will discuss the mexican immigrants, but first. all honkies, their sexually diseased livestock, and their gay pornagraphy must be deported back to Armenia, or wherever you honkites come from!.."
- "AmericanDNA" (youtube)This guy claims only mexicans are real Americans because their DNA is Aztec.

This group call for open sedition and the creation of a new Hispanic country on American soil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN1kp1ggWyM

They title themselves the "pinky show" (the pink tide is a growing marxist indigenous movement in Latin America with ties to FARC, Chavez, and Al-Queda.

One of their products is t-shirt with their cartoon cats holding AK-47s

Posted by: Andy Jackson | March 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to add for all those calling for the facts that prove illegal aliens and illegal immigration are destroying America, here you go and oh yes WAPO you too may want to pay attention because these are some FACTS, which is what you are supposed to report:

"Human" Cost of Illegal Alien Criminals and Illegal Immigration -

Illegal Aliens KILL 25 Legal, US Citizens per DAY (Source: DHS, FBI, and GAO 2005 Report)

Illegal Aliens MOLEST AND/OR SEXUALLY ASSAULT 8 US Childre per DAY (Source: DHS, FBI, and GAO 2005 Report)

Since PW County is discussed, what about the MS-13 Illegal Alien Gang Member who was arrested in PW County this week after he was arrested in MD, told law enforement he was illegal and a gang member, but still was let go and then stabbed a MD man? He was arrested in PW county where law enforcement ACTUALLY ABIDE BY THE LAW AND DO THEIR JOB and now is being held for conspiracy to commit murder and assault.

You need some Economic statistics also you say? Well, I'll be happy to do the job of a journalist and provide you some of those facts as well.

Given a poster mentioned California, let's take a look at 2008 and see how the ditribution of welfare and government assistance breaks down.

"New statistics from the Department of Public Social Services reveal that illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $36 million in welfare and food stamp allocations in January 2008, announced Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.

Twenty five percent of the all welfare and food stamps benefits are going directly to the children of illegal aliens. Illegals collected over $19 million in welfare assistance for January 2008 and over $16 million in monthly food stamp allocations, for a projected annual cost of $420 million.

"Illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact Los Angeles County taxpayers," said Antonovich. "With $220 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $420 million in welfare allocations, the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers far exceeds $1 billion a year - not including the millions of dollars for education."

http://www.hometownstation.com/antonovich-illigal-immigrant-2008-03-17-09-52.html

If you want more data on crimes committed by illegal aliens visit the IAATS at http://illegal.globalincidentmap.com or one of the other sites or groups that are determined to save our country and our culture for our children and grandchildren.

Join other legal, US citizens who have had enough, know the FACTS, and refuse to sit idly by and allow our once great country to be destroyed by millions of illegal criminals who have the full support of our government behind them.

This is our country and this is our government and yes, we the people can make a difference.

Posted by: StrikingBack | March 28, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Mimi. I'm more than happy to pay extra for the crackdown on illegal aliens. As the saying goes, "There ain't no free lunch."

As always, the county must be accountable to manage the money it taxes wisely. More often than not (as it is with government), plenty of it is mismanaged. I'd start by cutting down some unnecessary bureaucracy.

Posted by: Hunky Santa | March 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The sob story equally applies to misguided non-Latino Prince William County residents who voted for the current slate of public officials as it does to Latinos.

Quality of living campaign pledges ring a little hollow in light of educational cutbacks, empty shops, ghost town neighborhoods and so on.

No doubt a majority of homeowners trying to unload their property this spring would happily sell to any "illegal" with a job and a decent credit score at the price of two years ago. But gone are the heady days of rising real estate prices and multiple contracts.

With county and city governments no longer flushed with money, parents can also look forward to the new school year with larger class sizes, older books and more substitute teachers. County and city teachers are being fired as I write.

Prince William County voters who were all up in arms over the immigration issue have reaped what they sowed. Not that they weren't warned by The Post in story after story during the campaign season. But unfortunately, they were duped one more time to vote against their financial interest.

Finally, in light of county official's proposed real estate tax increases, it certainly looks like politicians who promised to never, ever, ever raise taxes last fall have more than a little 'esplaining' to do.

Posted by: Mimi Schaeffer | March 28, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Ali said, "Tell us, Hunky Santa, just how is "free trade" working for us? We've a massive trade deficit, and have had for years, financed by foreigners who are now using the dollars they've accumulated to buy up real property. In fact, I was reading this morning that sovereign wealth funds, owned by foreign governments in the Middle East, are now buying up or being asked to buy, majority stakes in major, important US companies. The "wealth" we're creating these days is likely to be owned by or owed to other countries."

Ali, do I detect an antiforeigner bias here?

I don't see anybody losing sleep about the trade deficit California has with Virginia or Ohio with Texas. I don't worry about my own trade deficit with the supermarket when I purchase its products since I have a trade surplus with my employment. Why is it right to have a deficit with California or the supermarket but not with a foreign country?

Protectionism doesn't work, unless you're one of the few protected. Tariffs and quotas on imported sugar saved a couple of thousand jobs at the price of over $800,000 for each job saved. Why, it would have been easier paying their condo and retirement in Florida.

It's protectionism that kills wealth, and we don't need more than we have now in the US.

Posted by: Hunky Santa | March 28, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

People just Love to bash illegal immigrants.
It's rare to see such condemnatory spite represent "the rule of law".

Posted by: 4363456 | March 28, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

And when are journalists going to start acting like they are one when interviewing a "sob" story illegal alien. Let' see, why would someone prefer to be an illegal alien rather than come in legally?

1. Legally takes too long; they want to jump in front of the law abiding. They want preferential treatment.

2. They could not pass the background check if they did it legally.

3. They have a criminal record and could not get in if they did it legally.

4. They have a disease and could not pass the medical if they did it legally.

5. They don't want to be bothered to learn American History and to have to pass the test in order to come in legally.

6. They don't want to abide by the rule ( same as in Mexico) that legal immigrants cannot dip into our social welfare system for 5 years or so; they want those freebies right away. In fact the Mexican government shows them a video on how to go about getting that anchor baby status, and how to go about getting all the free benefits.

7. They want to be able to work under the table, no deductions.

8. They want to be able to work under the table, no income taxes.

9. They want to be able to use multiple IDs to scam the benfit system and to walk away from bills they rack up.

10. If they marry an American, they don't want to legalize their status so they can continue to get free medical, and not pay taxes etc. It does really increase the family take home pay.

The fact is, Mexico is the 14th largest economy in the world. These people have jobs at home, they just can earn more in the USA.

Africans, people from India and many other countries have no jobs, and are far, far poorer, but better educated and should have an equal shot at getting into the USA.

Posted by: Bettybb | March 27, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

How come the pro legal, anti illegal immigration crowd never has their "sob" stories published? Where are the stories about:

1. The family from Indian who has been waiting 10 years for their parents to get the okay to enter the USA legally.

2. The African who is coming in legally, all the hoops she has had to jump though, has waited 8 years and while waiting is learning English?

3. A comparison of the requirements for legal immigration versus what illegal immigrants have to do.

4. The story of an American construction worker who was earning $20 per hour, paid taxes, had deductions taken from his pay, being fired and replaced by a $10 per hour illegal who is paid under the table and pays no taxes.

5. The stories of high school kids and college kids who can no longer get minimum wage entry jobs because illegal aliens have taken them. My friends are furious about this, including my Hispanic American friends. One pointed out that when he was growing up if he needed pocket money he would work in the fields, but his kids cannot do that now because of the illegal labor; he is livid.

6. The story of an American who tried to get a job at McDonald's in Chicago and was denied because he could not speak Spanish and all the rest of the crew was Spanish speaking.

7. The story of a Black American family in LA who has been subjected to Hispanic illegal alien violence against the Black Community, to force them to leave their longstanding neighborhood.

8. The story of the Asian, Black and White etc kids in school who have come up against the illegal alien kids idea that Hispanics have "superior blood", "own the USA", and will kill all non browns. Yes, genocide. That is the messsage of MEChA; it has chapters in many American Universities, and after school programs in grade and high schools in the West.

9. The story of the America who lost their home, and had to declare bankruptcy because they got ill and had no insurance, versus the illegal alien who came into the USA to get treatment for his cancer, which cost $140,000, walked away from the bill, then returned to his home country.

10. The sob story of Dani Countryman's family, you know, the 14 year old girl who was brutally raped and murdered by 2 illegal aliens, in a sanctuary city. One of the illegals had been arrested 4 times previously and not deported. Or any of the other sob stories of the victims of illegal alien violent crime.

11. The story of the American employees of the Swift Meat Packing plant who gradually had their wages cut, and labor conditions deteriorate, as illegal aliens were brought in to work. When ICE raided the plant, the next day the jobs were filled by Americans, but at American wages and working conditions.

12. The story of what happens to a school when the illegal alien invasion hits.

13. The story of all the Americans who lose their jobs when a hospital goes bankrupt due to illegal aliens not paying their bills. And what happens to a community when that hospital was the only one in its area.

14. The story of how a parent attempts to explain to their kids why they should obey the law, when the illegal alien kid sitting next to them in school, and his family, are breaking multiple laws, and demanding to be rewarded for it.

15. The sob story of the family of the person who desperately wants to be an American and does not want to wait the time the normal process takes, so enlists in the military and is now serving in Iraq. Their fears, pride and hope could be contrasted to their confusion and anger over the fact that basically one ethnic group, Hispanics, seem to think they can become Americans by lawbreaking.

16. The story of the low income American student who was following the illegal alien demands for the Dream Act Back Door Amnesty, watching his shot at higher education dissolving. That bill of course, would have taken student financial aid money for college out of the low income American's pocket and given it to the illegal aliens!

And on.. and on.. and on..

Posted by: Bettybb | March 27, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I read a post recently that was bang on.

The anti legal immigrant, pro illegal alien supporters look at the issue on a personal level, as through a microscope and the analysis is emotional; how they feel,they just want to feed their families, and of course the mantra taught to them by the Mexican government " I just want to make a better life for myself and my family", " I just want the American Dream" and " I am a really hard worker".

Has any legal immigrant waiting to get in, or their American family who has waited 10 years or more to have them arrive, ever said they SUPPORT lawbreaking illegals pushing them out of line? LOL. Yea, right.

The pro rule of law, pro legal, anti illegal alien supporters look at the broad picture and the analysis is rational; what is best for the country, the terrible net economic hit we are taking, overcrowded schools, bankrupt hosptials, disease, national security, dishonest business, Americans getting kicked out of their jobs and wages depressed, the preferential treatment and discrimination against law abiding legal immigrants, and American families who are not Hispanic who want their family member to get into the USA too, and most importantly, the break down of the rule of law, the glue that holds our society together.

It is really the anti legal, pro illegal immigrantion group that uses hate speech. Read the posts.

Of course, the anti legal, pro illegal immigration group claims anyone who makes an argument that is against their position is quilty of hate speech.

One commentator, Ruben Navarrette said that hate speech included any statement that would suggest America should change its immigration policy from family reunification to the skill needs of America. I kid you not. It is farcical.

What we have are a bunch of Americans who are so nervous and feel to uncomfortable with race that they cannot treat someone from another race exactly as they would someone from their own race. In other words, they are racist. They tip toe around afraid they will somehow fail to disquise their hidden racism if they don't go overboard the other way.

Sorry, but none of this is any where near hate speech:

1. this flood of illegal aliens into our country can be properly termed an invasion;

2. there is a real movement for Mexican reconquest of the USA and a great deal of evidence that is is guided and supported by the Mexican government.

3. there is nothing wrong in Americans being proud our language English, culture and nation, and wanting to protect it, like any other group in the world.

In fact, the " oh please, don't offend anyone by saying anything they don't agree with crowd" would be the first to stand up for another groups rights to keep their language and culture. But they won't do that for America - they are too fightened of being called names. Go figure.

4. The proper term is illegal alien; it is used by the State Department and a very specific meaning.

In English "illegal" connotes lack of requisite authority, like an illegal lawyer or illegal doctor. The illegal aliens hate it because it underlines a fact they are trying to hide - they are lawbreakers.

5. Illegals aliens do bring in disease. My son caught TB from an illegal alien kid at school, so don't give me any crap. It is not hate speech when I talk about he issue. What is "hate action" is illegal aliens breaking our law and putting American lives at danger with the diseases they are bringing in.

6. Illegal aliens do steal jobs from Americans. They have no right to be here, to work, to work under the table, to depress wages, to ignore our labor laws in order to make their labor more desirable. It is theft. Those who don't pay taxes, a large %, are stealing from the American society at large.

Etc.. etc. etc..

Polls consistently show 68% or more of Americans want enforcement and deportation.

It is our country. We make the rules. We want the rule of law; one rule for everyone, not special treatment for Hispanics. All American get the equal chance to bring in their family and ethnic race - not Hispanics get as many as they want, when they want...by breaking the law. (The Pew Hispanic Center says at least 80% of illegals aliens are Hispanic.)

The illegal aliens and their supporters can take their third world morality,( the law is whatever I can get away with, based on who pushes the most, and how much clout the greedy and powerful have,) should find a country more to their liking.. one without laws, a constitution, or any social compact.

Posted by: Bettybb | March 27, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I am a Hispanic AMERICAN and originally from California where Illegal Immigration has hit in my opinion the hardest. This is the way I want to start this, first my family came to California Legally in the 1800's I have seen how large groups of people who break the law on there first step in our country can wreck havoc, it creates a criminal culture with little respect for the law; we allowed it, created it and fed it, their reasons for being here are irrelevant they did not wait in line and they for the most part are fiercely loyal to there former country which does not foster the melting pot and as one person earlier responded the Racist is usually the first to call someone a racist. It's about other countries citizens breaking our laws and creating problems for our country and the not anything else unless you want to make it so. A "Latinos, Hispanics or what ever the latest catch phrase have been a part of our country for many generations , these recent immigrants are part of the growing illegal culture that is coming across our border.
I worked at a hospital that closed because of illegal immigration, how do I know this, I was the interpreter for the social services and yes lie's and fraudulent paper work were the norm as well as the 85% of illegal's I interviewed.

Posted by: Tony | March 27, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Yet another obvious spin by the WaPo's writers.

The VAST majority of the responses (about 90%) to the sob story were decidedly on the anti-illegal immigration side, and there were only a few who were pro immigration (usually the same poster), and made the typical accusation of racism to try and deflect us from the painful truth for illegal immigration advocates that the illegals are breaking the law and lowering the quality of life in our suburbs.

The race card is just an attempt to escape the blame from breaking the law by trying to intimidate other with fear of public shame, and it's not working anymore.

And don't try to call it "hate" Mr. Feaver - it's ANGER. Anger over our communities declining, anger over overcrowded schools and hospitals, anger at feeling like you are in a foreign country when this is supposed to the the USA.

Another pathetic attempt by the WaPo to make it seem like there is an eve division among the posters, when the overwhelimg majority are anti-illegal immigration, and actually offer good reasons why they are upset. Freakin' "Mexican Post" indeed.

Posted by: Truthsayer | March 27, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I think this article did a fair job of showing both sides of the story.

We have to be concerned with the national IQ of the US, which is being brought down by immigration. And I'm not some hick. I'm familiar with the arguments for diversionary evolutionary paths followed by geographically separate groups.

Hispanics have been, by and large, the most assimilated minority in the US. And we keep letting more and more in and wondering why the US science scores are at an all time low. It's all in the demographics.

http://urbanrealist.blogspot.com

Posted by: John Smith | March 27, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

It strikes me as odd when some who defend illegal immigration bring religion and the almighty into the conversation to make their point.

I guess I haven't been reading the same bible because I thought it was a sin to lie, cheat and steal - some of the very things illegals are doing in this country.

They are lying to get across the border (because some come legally on visas KNOWING they have no intention of going back home...thus overstaying their visa and their welcome). Illegals are cheating Americans out of jobs - I'm so tired of the myth "latinos do jobs Americans don't want". Finally, they're stealing American taxpayer dollars. If you've ever visited a local social services office, the American-born children of illegals can receive food stamps, housing and medical assistance.

Why is bad behavior being rewarded? If a woman crosses the border illegally, why are benefits being given to her? Yes, the Constitution states the children are Americans by birth but I'm sure the Founding Fathers never envisioned people who were so bold they would have the audacity to cross borders illegally and rob the U.S. population blind. It looks like it's time for an Amendment of the Constitution on this matter. If someone breaks the law, you don't REWARD the individual with anything. Take away the incentives to cross the border illegally: no food stamps, no medical assistance, no jobs and no hospitality. GO HOME until you can find a way to enter legally and I will welcome you with open arms!

Until we address this issue as a nation rationally, illegals will continue to feel the anger of American citizens. Nothing makes an American angrier than knowing the American is working as hard as he possibly can and someone who should not be in the country at all is receiving a free ride. This only leads to resentment and a backlash.

Posted by: avid observer | March 27, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

It strikes me as odd when some who defend illegal immigration bring religion and the almighty into the conversation to make their point.

I guess I haven't been reading the same bible because I thought it was a sin to lie, cheat and steal - some of the very things illegals are doing in this country.

They are lying to get across the border (because some come legally on visas KNOWING they have no intention of going back home...thus overstaying their visa and their welcome). Illegals are cheating Americans out of jobs - I'm so tired of the myth "latinos do jobs Americans don't want". Finally, they're stealing American taxpayer dollars. If you've ever visited a local social services office, the American-born children of illegals can receive food stamps, housing and medical assistance.

Why is bad behavior being rewarded? If a woman crosses the border illegally, why are benefits being given to her? Yes, the Constitution states the children are Americans by birth but I'm sure the Founding Fathers never envisioned people who were so bold they would have the audacity to cross borders illegally and rob the U.S. population blind. It looks like it's time for an Amendment of the Constitution on this matter. If someone breaks the law, you don't REWARD the individual with anything. Take away the incentives to cross the border illegally: no food stamps, no medical assistance, no jobs and no hospitality. GO HOME until you can find a way to enter legally and I will welcome you with open arms!

Until we address this issue as a nation rationally, illegals will continue to feel the anger of American citizens. Nothing makes an American angrier than knowing the American is working as hard as he possibly can and someone who should not be in the country at all is receiving a free ride. This only leads to resentment and a backlash.

Posted by: avid observer | March 27, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

All you liberals take note. If these pigs moved in next door to you, and proceeded to trash the neighborhood, party all night long, and rent rooms to dozens of "relatives", you'd be singing a different tune. These SOBs have turned my once beautiful and modest little neighborhood into a slum.

Posted by: Yuri Lepitzmeov | March 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

If you disagree with the comments of people who were against illegal immigration then it is called hateful. How bias you are!

Posted by: Bruce | March 27, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Hunky Santa wrote:"It has been demonstrated time and time again that high taxes and tariffs do not make a nation wealthier, rather it impoverishes it. Outsourcing isn't bad, either. Division of labor, dude."

Tell us, Hunky Santa, just how is "free trade" working for us? We've a massive trade deficit, and have had for years, financed by foreigners who are now using the dollars they've accumulated to buy up real property. In fact, I was reading this morning that sovereign wealth funds, owned by foreign governments in the Middle East, are now buying up or being asked to buy, majority stakes in major, important US companies. The "wealth" we're creating these days is likely to be owned by or owed to other countries.

Posted by: Ali | March 27, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Vic wrote:"Meatpacking - you want your meat to be packed and proceessed in China?

Hitech - you want AOL to close down in VA because they cant fill their 1,000 vacancies and end up moving to Canada?

Agriculture - you want your vegetables to be processed in China or other countries where the USDA has EVEN less control on the quality? Or do want to leave them to rot in the field?"

No, we want our meatpacking done by LEGAL workers here.
AOL? You mean illegal aliens are doing these jobs? Or have you bought into the myth created by Gates and company that there are no Americans to do these jobs?
Agriculture-How about having products produced in MEXICO? What a concept! They're complaining that NAFTA drove agric.
jobs North because they can't compete with the US. As it is, some US agribusiness is moving south.

The crux of the matter is, if we have to compete for these jobs by a race to the bottom in wages, then they might as well go because there is no way that we can accept wages low enough to produce all these goods and services lower than someone somewhere else on the globe, much less support the workers that these companies want to bring in to displace us.
If these companies want to go, let them go. Of course, I also expect them to give up the benefits of easy access to US markets and the protections that are now afforded to them under US trade agreements and by US military might.

Posted by: Ali | March 27, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"That being said, legal immigration procedures MUST be overhauled to allow those who follow the rules while applying may be processed quickly and fairly. Currently, US Immigration is heavily bureaucratic and inefficient."

Three guesses what one of the big reasons for its inefficiency is? Congress has enacted a number of mini-amnesties and loopholes including TPS over the years that divert time, money and manpower from processing for legal immigrants. Believe it or not, in the early 1990s, a friend of mine from India got a teaching job here, got his green card immediately, got married in India, and had his wife here with a green card in less than six months!
This of course was before the effect of the 1986 amnesty hit (sponsorship by legalized illegals of other family members).

Posted by: Ali | March 27, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

MikeB, to speak in favor of protectionism is a big no-no. Come on, this is the 21st century!

It has been demonstrated time and time again that high taxes and tariffs do not make a nation wealthier, rather it impoverishes it. Outsourcing isn't bad, either. Division of labor, dude.

Let's keep focused on the main subject: illegal immigration, not economic policy.

Posted by: Hunky Santa | March 27, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Berry wrote:""As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal'. We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics'."

Note that Mr. Lincoln did not say "all men are created AMERICANS". "Equal" does not mean that one has a right to move here, particularly illegally. You can be "equal" to me as a human being and still live in Mexico, China, or anywhere else. In fact, the very mention of nationhood suggests that Mr. Lincoln realized the importance of unity and preservation of one's borders. After all, he fought a war largely to preserve the nation as a whole.

Posted by: Ali | March 27, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

beastlet wrote:"unfortunately, discussions of illegal immigration are polarized and ignore practical solutions. The facts

(a) the US needs a labor pool
(b) Latin America offers a large labor pool"

The US does not need a "labor pool" of unskilled uneducated workers whom taxpayers need to subsidize. IF we need workers, then we should look for skilled, self-sufficient English-speaking LEGAL immigrants of whom there are plenty in areas other than Latin America as well as Latin America. As it is the US population is reproducing at replacement levels so there is no need to "grow" our population. The need now is to make sure that our students get the educations they need and which are currently being adversely affected as we divert funds and teacher time from them to "bilingual" programs.

Posted by: Ali | March 27, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

vidusa wrote:"Their coming here is to ensure their survival and their family. The fact they violate a law that defines boundries on a map does not justify the violation of God's law forcing them to live in poverity or to starve, when an easy resolution is available. Prince Williams law is even worse. It is mean natured that willingly violates God's laws of compassion and love, forcing the weaker minority into proverity, suffering and starvation."

So, it's perfectly OK to ignore the needs of Americans to be able to earn a decent living in order to subsidize illegal aliens. If you're so concerned about God's laws, how about addressing the governments of the countries that are sending illegal aliens, beginning with Mexico? You know, the country where the Catholic Church has had several hundred years of good works and hasn't managed to lift the populace out of poverty while a handful of wealthy manage to control most of the wealth. Come to think of it--that last sounds a lot like the Catholic Church.

Posted by: Ali | March 27, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Vic - One thing you ignore, taxes and tariff's! Until Bill Cltinon got rid of them, tariff's not only protected Amercian jobs, they provided 1/3 of federal revenues. They need to be brought back. Also, any company that outsources jobs or production capacity, is doing damage to this nation and it's citizens. At the very least, there ought to be punative taxes that force them to pay for the damage they do. And, if they, then, decide to pull up stakes and leave, remove any patent protection and allow a genuinely Amercian company to produce their goods or services. Please don't blather about this being radical, it's what we used to do before Cltinon and it is what Europe does right now. As you full well know, meat processors made $20 an hour in 1990. Those jobs pay minimum wage today. Boot out the illegals and those companies will be forced to raise their wages back to 1990 levels and add back the medical and other benefits they got rid of when they displaced Amercian workers with illegals for those jobs. The same applies to construction trades (200 average wage for a carpenter - $22/hr; today $8 an hr.), landscaping, tree farms, and on and on. When we have the intelligence to put this country first and bring back and use taxes and tariffs to keep jobs here, we will have genuine national security. A big plus is we can force corporations and businesses to be good citizens and simply force them out of business (or out of this country).

Posted by: MikeB | March 27, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, pollution, environmental damage, crime, diminishing resources, Diseases, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, underground economic, fraudulent documents, identity thief, tax invasion, soaring crime rate, increased tax burdens, overcrowded schools, uneducated children, overcrowded prisons, inadequate health care, the balkanization of our communities and a large and growing population with loyally to other Nations, the overall decline in our quality of life are the result of unconstrained illegal immigration! America cannot accept the worlds population of other Nations Criminals, Undesirables and Uneducated Peons. Too many people chasing too few resources is not sound economic, social or cultural policy. This is not racism but pragmatism & common sense! Every industrialized nation has taken steps to end illegal immigration and to limit legal immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, and above all other concerns, in the best interest of their native population, not of the Catholic church, business owners looking for cheap labor, subsidized by tax payers, or other special interest etc. Its insane to suggest that America should not do likewise!

The illegal invasion can only be understood by the corrupting influence on politicians of money for cheap labor for the Republicans or the Welfare votes for the Democrats that makes them dishonor their Oath of Office, the US Constitution against Invasion, and Enforcement of our Immigration Laws!

Posted by: american1 | March 27, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal'. We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics'. When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy."

Abraham Lincoln, 1855

Posted by: Berry | March 27, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I respond to this site routinely and I don't feel a need to attack. It is a matter for the Feds to cure and it's not with any form of amnesty. I tire of seeing individual cases presented as rules when they are the exception. The illegal valedictorian, the hard working man with the close knit family. With the exception of immigration laws, the law abiding illegal, pardon the unintended pun. These are present but in the eyes of a government should not be significant. Despite their social, familial, legal or academic standing they are a drain in one way or another. A government's responsibility is to its citizens first and foremost. Many people believe in capital punishment but are unable to flip the switch. That's the job of government. There are times when our military must go out and protect our interests in blood and many would be unable to send our young to death. Again, it is for government. There are many fine, worthy illegal aliens but they are none the less drains. It's the job of government to dispassionately deal with them. Once a family is created or reconstituted in the U.S. cheap labor has disappeared and a low wage job with quasi-government paid benefits package is created. I have no particular problem with these people but if they were a net benefit in any way no elected/appointed official could say what is currently being said. Remove the emotion and there is no argument in favor of amnesty. It's all factually negative. The Feds get the gold and state and local governments get the shaft. Even the left leaning Conference of Mayors requsted funds to pay for illegals in their statement of support for them. So, no animosity from me. Just think of Americans first, last and always.

Posted by: richardboyce | March 27, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

The one thing that I haven't seen written or heard is how the migration of the poorest of the poor from Latin America southward to God knows where is that by allowing these, by definition, poor souls, into our country en masse we are only serving as a safety valve for their countries of origin. The only way significant change will come to Mexico and countries south is for the pressure for social and economic change to bubble up from below. With these poor souls coming here it only serves to exacerbate our situation at the bottom while allowing their countries of origin to maintain the status quo which drives them to our border. Mexico knows this full well. That is why their government constantly intervenes on behalf of the illegals( they truly are illegal), that and the money they send back. In the long run, we are not doing anyone or any nation any favors by allowing this condition of open borders to continue. Forget about those who would destroy us coming in over these same borders.

Posted by: robert thornton | March 27, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Vidusa, now that you've described how compassionate you are towards your fellow man (i.e. illegal aliens) and have no concept of now much it costs society, I hope you open your doors to each and every illegal alien who needs sanctuary and provide them food, health care, and education. Only then will you have the moral authority to speak about the subject.

Illegal behavior must not be rewarded. Even worse, the governments of the countries of origin of these people are none to happy to export their unemployment and poverty to our shores. When the illegal aliens send billions of dollars as remittances to these countries, it quells social protests and doesn't provide any incentive for these countries to lessen their own poverty and corruption.

Again, Prince William County must be commended. Such sentiment is starting to spread around the country, especially during these quasi-recession times.

Posted by: Hunky Santa | March 27, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

QUOTE: "You dumb white trash will never understand that it is YOU who are the illegal ones here. Just because you've been around for 300 years doesn't make you legitimate. Yet you whine and cry about Mexicans coming here which is EXACTLY what your ancestors did. Typical lazy fat white trash who claim to be Christians. You're pathetic."

Where are the stories about the true racists in this debate and the organized domestic terror movement known as Reconquista? This quote is from one of the posters to this piece. I find it interesting however that the majority of posters who oppose illegal aliens and illegal immigration NEVER MENTION RACE OR ETHNICITY. That is far from the case though with this obvious Reconquista supporter who believes that White people are the root of all evil.

You make it about race to silence the educated, common sense, factual debate that over and over again proves the devestating toll Illegal Aliens and Illegal Immigration is having on the US and the LEGAL Citizens of the US.

While you and the rest of the Reconquista supporters including the Head of it all, La Raza which means "The Race" for crying out loud, are busy living in a past that you've distorted to match your own vile and twisted beliefs, the US evolved and things called LAWS were established and EVERY LEGAL CITIZEN has had to abide by them for hundreds of years. You better believe WE THE PEOPLE EXPECT AND NOW DEMAND that anyone who wishes to live, work, and procreate on the legal citizens' dime also has to ABIDE BY THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY OR YOU ARE NOT WELCOME!

It is about the LAW and it IS that simple so stop the race baiting and labeling the millions who want our laws enforced as racists and bigots when WE DON'T BRING UP RACE and could care less what your origin is. We care that you DISRESPECT OUR COUNTRY, OUR CULTURE, AND OUR LAWS and we care that OUR GOVERNMENT CONTINUES TO HELP YOU DO IT! This has got to stop and We The People do have the power to make it happen.

Posted by: StrikingBack | March 27, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

As a legal immigrant who stood in line and obeyed all the laws of this nation, I totally support full enforcement of our immigration laws. There is nothing racist about demanding the rule of law. The only racists in this debate are the ethnocentric advocates for Latinos who wish to increase their power base and advance their agenda through massive colonization (read invasion of the US by millions and millions of Latinos). Would there be as much support if there are millions of Palestinians in this country illegally?

Posted by: Jas Li | March 27, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

My family and our LEGAL immigrants from England. Having followed the rules on immigration - and complicated rules they are - I resent folks who cheat and get away with it. The entire world seems to believe they have a right to live in the United States, but it doesn't work the other way around; other countries are as defensive of their borders as they are oblivious of mine, and I bristle at the double standard.

Posted by: LEGAL Immigrant | March 27, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

There is a lot of anger and frustration when it come to the subject of illegal immigration. A lot of it toward illegals, but also a lot towards a government that has "allowed" this to happen. It's not like they woke up and found this, no, they have known all along. Bush has shut down enforcement to practically nothing. No security, no border enforcement, no work place enforcement, and all the while saying he is a "compassionate conservative". He is neither. Bush is a big business puppet politician. What big business wants, big business gets. You would of thought that the Democrats would have exploited this point, but no, they have been bought out too. Big business has covered all the bases. We, citzens of this nation, have been sold out by our politicians.
The only way to stop illegal immigration is at the employers door step and knowledge that they will be deported. States will have to take up this issue since the feds can't do it, remember they have already been bought and owe. As more and more states address the issue, the sooner the feds will come around, it will be reluctantly, but they will. No to amnesty and no to compromise. Enforce the law like you were suppose to in the first place.

Posted by: howard | March 27, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

In Mexico there is a very rich ruling class of elites. Mexican citizens should stop marching in the streets of the U.S., and go to their own government and demand the officials in their government stop being corrupt and stop taking money from the drug cartels. I fear that the ruling elites on both sides of the border are in a plot together:
The ruling plutocracy on the Mexican side want to
dump their poor into the U.S. so the U.S. Middle Class tax payers will take care of their education and health needs, while the ruling plutocracy on the U.S. side want to get slave labor and cheap ocean front property.
By the way here is the forbes.com list of Mexican billionaires. Why won't the Mexican citizens in the U.S go home and march in front of their streets:
Names Worth in Billions of U.S. Dollars
Carlos Slim Helu & family 60.0
(the second richest person in the world)Alberto Bailleres & family 9.8
German Larrea Mota-Velasco & family 7.3
Ricardo Salinas Pliego & family 6.3
Jeronimo Arango 4.3
Isaac Saba Raffoul & family 2.1
Roberto Hernandez Ramirez 1.7
Emilio Azcarraga Jean 1.6
Alfredo Harp Helu & family 1.6
Lorenzo Zambrano & family 1.5

BY the WAY, I wonder what the Mexican workers in these automobile plants are paid in Mexico?
AUTOMOBILE MANFACTURING JOBS IN MEXICO
Toyota's are made in Tijuana.
Ford's are made in Hermosillo and Cuautitlan.
Nissan's are made in Aguascalientes and Cuernavaca.
Honda's are made in Guadalajara.
VW's are made in Puebla.
Chrysler's are made in Toluca.
GM's are made in San Luis Potos, Guanajato, Satillo, and Toluca.
......and those plants speak nothing for the 430,000 jobs producing 24 billion dollars worth of parts annually.

Posted by: Cherubim | March 27, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

All these "humanist liberals" who think the Latino immigrant community are so poorly treated... they should overstay their visa in Mexico, get involved in demonstrations, and see how the Mexican people and the Mexican authorities take the illegal activist immigration. Lynched by the cops perhaps?

Posted by: Mike | March 27, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

U.S. passports made abroad

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/03/27/verjee.passport.outsourcing.cnn

These things could be made here, but I doubt the company would be able to hire enough American staff with the necessary expertise, so they would have to hire immigrants, except that they wouldn't be able to do so because they wouldn't be able to get enough H1B or H2B Visas for their vacant positions.

At the very least, if the company was here, not only for security issues, the company would be paying corporate taxes at the Fed and State level and their employees would be paying taxes, Social Security, buying houses, other stuff, cars, and paying taxes on those, but alas . . .

So lets enjoy our Thai-made passports, by a European Company. RAWK!

Posted by: Vic | March 27, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I think laws should be evaluated based on whether the law's affect on humanity is favorable under God's eyes (or civilized) or unfavorable to God. Migration, based on poverty and starvation, is a natural humanistic requirement for survival. Their coming here is to ensure their survival and their family. The fact they violate a law that defines boundries on a map does not justify the violation of God's law forcing them to live in poverity or to starve, when an easy resolution is available. Prince Williams law is even worse. It is mean natured that willingly violates God's laws of compassion and love, forcing the weaker minority into proverity, suffering and starvation. Those who support the law believe themselves superior to immigrants because the are "American." When you die, you will cross a new border, called heaven, at which point being "American" no longer matters or is revelant. How will you be viewed vis-a-vis the illegal immigrant who suffered under your oversight trying to provide for his family while you live in relative luxury?

Posted by: vidusa | March 27, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I applaud Prince William County's efforts. Illegal behavior cannot be rewarded, and illegal immigration is that: illegal.

That being said, legal immigration procedures MUST be overhauled to allow those who follow the rules while applying may be processed quickly and fairly. Currently, US Immigration is heavily bureaucratic and inefficient. That must be changed if we want to continue attracting the best and brightest from around the world.

Posted by: Hunky Santa | March 27, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Oklahoma's stringent law against illegal immigration(referred to as 1804) has had some serious economic effects on the state's economy. The projection for loss to the economy of Oklahoma is nearly $1.8 billion. This is not from the elimination of "illegals" but the total effect of seeding a perceived environment of hatred toward hispanics/latinos (read Mexicans). Ostensibly, the argument with the greatest empathy for the supporters of 1804 is that they are only opposed to the "illegal" immigrants. Unfortunately, the vituperative bile spewed in the comment areas, newspapers and television, spreads a great deal of collateral damage, warning all hispanics/latinos (read Mexicans) of a "toxic" environment in this state. And, amazingly enough, we do not "get it." So I guess there'll be at least $1.8 billion we won't.

Posted by: Percy F. Lage, Oklahoma | March 27, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I do not sympathize with illegal immigration of any color.....but it's interesting to note that legal immigration of cubans due to the political status created by the interaction of the US and Cuba prior to Castro was not popular at all with african-americans...particularly in MIami....truth is...most of the early immigration of cubans(1960 to the mid seventies)was comprised of people with trades and proffessions...we weren't on the welfare lines popping out babies for money.

Posted by: Ricardo | March 27, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

You dumb white trash will never understand that it is YOU who are the illegal ones here. Just because you've been around for 300 years doesn't make you legitimate. Yet you whine and cry about Mexicans coming here which is EXACTLY what your ancestors did. Typical lazy fat white trash who claim to be Christians. You're pathetic.

Posted by: Wang | March 27, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Illegals out now.

Posted by: VC | March 27, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post had declared dissent against illegal immigration a hate crime. Their one-sided stories are outrageous, and one of the reason they are experiencing declining circulation and laying off hundreds of unionized staffers. The WaPo refuses to report on crime related to ILLEGAL immigration. They lump together LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration. The see that people, hardworking taxpayers struggling to get by each day, are mad. And they are telling you that you are not entitled to feel angry. You are not entitled to feel scammed that 50% of your pay goes to some form of taxes to support illegal activity. You are evil for voicing concerns about what is going on around in. Of course, the WaPO thinks Code Pink, MoveON.org and the radical leftwing contribute to the dialogue.

I wonder if WaPo would read a Froomkin column and wonder if he contribute positively to a national dialogue?

Posted by: Karen | March 27, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

All jobs the undocumented fill are advertised, any American can go take them. Companies can't fill those jobs, be it in agriculture, meat packing, construction, hi-tech industry.

The xenophobes dont want comprehensive immigration reform where the undocumented would have to pass a series of steps and pay fines in order to leglaize their status. The dont want H1B and H2B visas, and other temporary work visas to be expanded - so companies will eventually ship those jobs overseas.

Meatpacking - you want your meat to be packed and proceessed in China?

Hitech - you want AOL to close down in VA because they cant fill their 1,000 vacancies and end up moving to Canada?

Agriculture - you want your vegetables to be processed in China or other countries where the USDA has EVEN less control on the quality? Or do want to leave them to rot in the field?

Unfortunately the anti-immigration reform crown, after building a wall, and expelling the 12 mill illegals, have absolutely nothing to contribute on how to resolve the problem. Failure to solve it will affect the US economy in an even LARGER scale that we have ever seen.

Something has to give, and an agreement has to be reached, if not, all of these jobe they complained are being taken by illegals here or those vacant because they cant be filled due to outdated VISA quotas, will end up being shipped abroad, and we will all lose.

Posted by: Vic | March 27, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Forget the Race-Baiting, It can no longer
be denied that Mexico is doing everything
it can to create an ILLEGAL MEXICAN NATION
within the borders of the USA and it has
already made Los Angeles the Gang and
Illegal Alien Capital of Mexifornia!

Posted by: M.A.Andrews | March 27, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

unfortunately, discussions of illegal immigration are polarized and ignore practical solutions. The facts

(a) the US needs a labor pool
(b) Latin America offers a large labor pool


Problem: How do we match supply and demand without killing the golden goose?

The golden goose here is that the economic success of the US starts with it being nation of laws. If the electorate does not respect the rule of law, the economic system will unravel.

Fact (c) Anyone born in the United States is a citizen.

It is this third fact that threatens any simple solution to matching supply and demand for labor. The law's original context was emancipation, not to reward the offspring of illegal immigrants. Currently this law offers inherited gains based on breaking the law by conferring citizenship on the offspring of illegal immigrants, which automatically fosters disrespect for the law. This law makes no more sense than allowing the offspring of bank robbers to keep their inherited wealth. Deporting the parents while allowing the children to stay is like jailing the bank robbers but letting their children keep the money.

A comprehensive solution to immigration would allow for
(a) lawful and managed migration of labor between latin america and north america.
(b) no automatic citizenship for the offspring of migrant labor

With such a solution, the US gets access to the labor pool it needs, the labor gets to work and feed their families, and most importantly, the US continues to be a nation of laws that assimilates immigrants who respect the law.

Posted by: beastlet | March 27, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: usa dollar | March 27, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Latino's are desperately poor people who come here to just provide for their families. The problem is, they are here illegally, usually do not pay taxes, and will work for money "under the table" so as to keep out of sight of the government. That has meant their flooding certain types jobs - construction, forestry, nurserymen, landscaping - driving down the wages and often displacing American workers. So, the millions of illegals have contributed to creating millions of desperately poor American workers. It isn't racism to point this out, nor is it racism to point out that, when the millions of illegals get sick or enroll their children in our public schools or steal identities or commit other crimes, they cost this country in excess of 2 TRILLION dollars a year. None of the humanitarians or politicians, nor other supporters of this mess has been able to explain how we can afford to continue down this path without wrecking this country.

Posted by: MikeB | March 27, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I was also wondering how does an Illegal Alien get a checking account, drivers license and buy a home? Perhaps the subprime mortage crisis was the secret GOP plan to get rid of Illegals after all.

Posted by: Biff Griff | March 27, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

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