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Krissah Williams tells us this morning that "the ill will" between supporters of Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama "has become so intense" that even if the candidates work to heal the party after a nominee is chosen, as both have vowed to do, "they will have to spend critical campaign time dealing with those wounds rather than taking on McCain."

Our Readers Who Comment confirm that analysis with an extended string of ill will toward each other. There are many self-identified Clinton supporters who say they cannot vote for Obama and will be forced to support Sen. John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee. A few posters suggest that at least some of the discord is being planted by "operation chaos," the Rush Limbaugh invention in which he urged his listeners to vote for Clinton in a Democratic primary to extend the nomination process.

If the voices on this article are representative of reality, there is a clear division between Democrats, with women especially unhappy that Clinton is losing. As Williams points out in the article, there have been highly divisive nomination battles in the past and often those issues have been resolved by general election time. Given the first-time racial and gender dynamics of this situation, it's not clear what will happen.

We'll start with writerjudy59, who said, "...I cannot and will not vote for Senator Obama if he is the nominee. I will vote either for Senator McCain, or I will write in Senator Clinton's name... I believe that with a majority of Democrats in Congress, McCain can't do much harm..."

darrren12000 wrote, "...A lot of desperate Democrats are suddenly scrambling to "unify" with Clinton's supporters, now that they realize that their snowjob of an election will lead to an Obama boycott in November... If being a real Democrat means bashing women, the poor, and the elderly, manipulating race, ignoring Latinos, and stifling dissent, then I respectfully resign my membership!..."

To which anna_rc_1999 replied, "darrren12000, brilliant! Your comment... pretty much sums it up why I no longer can belong to this party which is the democratic in the name only."

But lindakinne wrote, "When Clinton supporters justify their plans to vote out of party, it is dangerous for them to assume the Democrats will have enough of a majority in Congress to keep a McCain presidency "under control."... This is not a matter to toy with and risk. Please vote responsibly."

Babylove1 said, "...I hate to say it, especially being a woman, but I think a lot of women are choosing to reject Obama because he appears to be the nominee and they blame him for taking away Hillary's chances for the nomination. WHy blame him when all he did was campaign just as hard as Sen. Clinton?...Come on!"

jbleenyc wrote, "... I have to blame the media, first of all for their crass behavior toward a former first lady and a senator, Sen Clinton... In the case of Sen Obama's supporters, they have been seduced - but again the media has been responsible. They have riled up the anti-Clinton forces by denigrating her as an unworthy opponent, and for her dragging out the race. Tne venom has been extreme."

evelyn3091 said, "Obama took a page from Bush's tactics, but I hope it doesn't works anymore. In 2004 you were unpatriotic if you were against Bush, and now you are racist if you are against Obama. I couldn't care less about his skin color, but I care about the policies and tactics."

RKinJersey wrote, "I support Hillary. I hate the treatment and the double standard she endured. For a woman politician, only competence and strength and the heart of a lion will get you into the game of presidential politics. This was her shot... At some point, Hillary will be telling us all to listen to Barack. I think that I will."

Oracle728 said, "Wow. Alot of hate. Its a pity, cuz seeing how they are 95% the same on issues think about what either one of them could do. I just hope people really vote with their brains this time for once..."

josgirl354 wrote, "Obama tried to ease tensions by turning his attention to McCain? I'm getting dizzy from the Obama-biased media spin. Not only is this not an attempt to help ease anything, at least where Hillary Clinton and her supporters are concerned, its what's known in the hood as a "diss." Yes, there are black people who won't vote for Obama, too..."

salv said, "I have been a white, male Democrat since I started to vote in 1970... There is absolutely no way I will vote for Obama. I am voting for McCain. What finally did it for me was John Edwards' support for Obama. Nothing plus nothing equals absolutely nothing -- and something America needs to run far, far away from."

Iowatreasures posted throughout the night to urge a write-in campaign for Clinton and said in an early post, "... I see no hope and unity in what Barack Obama has accomplished... A write in vote for Hillary is the answer if the state allows it, if not, go ahead and vote for McCain - at least he is pro-American..."

But a_skeptic said, "Iowatreasures is the a republican that is happily trying to split the democratic vote so his candidate will win. People! Don't be sheep... Remember that sick feeling in your stomach when Bush won? Let's not have that again. Vote your own interests..."

pwse wrote, "I will never back Obama. Cannot stand his arrogance and those of his supporters. Who do they think they are?"

To which Tuathe responded, "What about your arrogance? Your nastiness? How are you any better or knowledgeable than those who support Obama. Who do they think they are? How about human beings just like you; who believe in their candidate just as much as you believe in yours..."

But kevinschmidt who spends a lot of time on our boards, said, "That's right WaPooPravda, keep fanning the flames that divided the Democratic Party.
It doesn't matter anyway. There is no way McSame can beat Obama in November..."

adobelane wrote, "N-word, B-word....I'm a democrat and irregardless of any kind of word I can't stomach either one of them. But I gotta agree with Obama; a vote for McCain is four more years of Bush. So I gonna vote for one of these people just to vote against McCain and four more years of idiots running this country."

Alan5633 said, "I'm a hillary supporter and I will vote mccain over obama because i can't stand him."

zb95 wrote, "WashPost is trying their best to fan the flames. The vast majority of "lifelong" Democrats would not vote for McCain under any circumstaces."

nunyo555 said, "...I agree that there has been a horrible level of misogyny in the media; but that still won't make me say that she ought to be president. There are a lot of things to like about Obama, but what those who sneer at his supporters forget is that many of us are voting for him because he is *not Hillary.*..."

mightycrows said, "A lot of the pro Hillary rants on this website are obviously Republicans pretending to be Clinton supporters trying to whip up Intra-Democratic ill feeling. Do not fall for it..."

And swampsterman added, "I see operation Chaos is in play here on this chat board. Republicans pretending to be Hillary supporters to create division and anger. And you want folks who play this kind of Psy Ops junk running the White House??"

Finally, in the interests of fairness, and as the last word today, almost all articles on politics contain at least one posting expressing the sentiments of grunk, who wrote, "Write in Ron Paul."

All comments on this article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  May 19, 2008; 9:45 AM ET
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Posted by: adult | June 10, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

She needs to run independently and lose this party, it's a hindrance to her. She obviously as enough of the popular vote to make it a reality.

Looks like the democratic delegates and supers are about to disenfranchise 18 million voters - yet again...

Posted by: Maybe | June 4, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The damage is done. The wounds cut deep on both sides. Blame, Deception, Dishonesty is cast on both sides. I don't want someone as deceptive as Obama running this country who went to a racist church for 20 years without knowing it, where the Pastors have made sexist remarks about women. My vote goes to Mccain.

Posted by: John | June 3, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

We will stay away - or vote McCain because the Obama wing of the Democratic party (from the start the Democratic party) has so vilified Clinton and by extension women in general, that joining up with the YouTube crowd would be like inviting our rapist to a slumber party.
We have a chance to fight back - to say to the lunatic fringe (Olbermann, Matthews, etc) that you can't demean us then chide us for leaving you. This is woman battering on a grand scale and the whining Obamas claiming racism need to dig deep for anything akin to the 527 named 'C.U.N.T.' - stop playing that game, its ridiculous.
I am horrified at the misogyny that has swept this second-rater to the forefront - he couldn't have done it without media bias and disgusting woman-hating.
Time to make our importance know - don't vote for the party that has disowned us.

Posted by: Susan Mayhew | May 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

All of you so called feminists out there (ESPECIALLY NARAL) - why are you not pissed off that the guys and the media are shouting at Hillary to step down even though the contest is not over and she is the BEST CANDIDATE BY FAR and for promoting an unelectable candidate which will ensure McCain's win in November. FACE IT! Obama is unelectable when you add up Rev. Wright - who was not JUST a pastor - but was Obama's self chosen mentor and teacher for 20 years... Wright was teaching Obama to hate America, whites and Jews like he does in his rantings and in the church's OWN PUBLICATIONS - which also prints HAMAS letters (yes as in the anti-Israel terrorist group - yes - the same HAMAS who Obama's advisor was just busted for having secret meeting with... So all of you who are supporting a man who calls women "sweetie" - who stands by while Clinton is constantly slammed by the media and sexist remarks and treatment - who sits in the pews of a racist white/Jew hating - America hating church for 20 years an gives them THOUSANDS of dollars to promote their hate - who launched his political campaign years ago at an unrepentant American terrorist's home (who says that bombing th pentagon like he did etc was not enough - he wishes he would have set off more bombs in our own country... who has MANY ANTI-ISRAEL advisors on his campaign - who has secret meetings with Hezbolah agents as well... and who supports a candidate who belongs to a church of black liberation theology which plainly states that WHITES ARE THE ENEMY THAT MUST BE DESTROYED... well then you aren't feminists - and you are NOT TRUE PATRIOTS - because a rue patriot would never vote for a man who surrounds himself with so many people who hate our country.

Posted by: OBAMAJAMESCONE | May 22, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi just said on "PBS Newshour" that the delegates from Florida and Michigan would be seated at the convention and would be split 50-50. The Dems (if they were really democratic) should let the vote go on, but they know it would be another landslide for Hillary. The fix is definitely in.

Posted by: kay | May 21, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Earl C; yes trying to elucidate the real issues amidst the Long, Loud Primal Scream of disappointed Clinton supporters is a thankless job, but I want you to know that I AM listening.
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"The "fix is in" for Obama and a landslide for McCain in November. The DNC thinks that the women voters are going to vote democratic just like the blacks no matter who's on the ticket and they are going to get a surprise in November. I SAY A VOTE FOR MCCAIN IS A VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2112!!!"

Yeah, that will "fix" Obama and his supporters alright, unfortunately it will potentially also fix (or should I say screw) the average American who is being hammered by the bad governance of the last 8 years...not to mention that Flip-Flop McBush, if elected, will probably get to name 2 Supreme Court Justices; the Court is already tilted right with Conservatives, 2 more is enough to overturn Roe v Wade among other issues.

Posted by: Hold_That_Tiger | May 20, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Where does Col.Khajawall gets his opinion from suggesting that the only way to salvation for the United States is to vote for Barack Obama. At least, if you support a candidate, come up with some facts substantiating your support. The people riling "Yes we can" is nothing more than a hollow statement when not accompanied by facts and explanations. So far, Obama has only shown his smooth way of talking, I did not mean what I said and his semi arrogant way of dismissing the here and now. The learned opinion is not learned after all, because it is based on an illusion. So far, Obama has been all talk with no substance. His closest way to substance have been his denials of not having meant what he said.
The writers statement of partisan media outlets and pundits is drowned out by the destructive behavior of the leftist media wanting this 'Greatgrand Nation' from ceasing to exist as is. When any candidate supported by the smear media is considered to be a nation builder, I question the sincerity of the writer. Blind ideology is that, which guided Germany to their path of self-destruction. Admitting his choices for presidents in the past, only shows a diverse and human way of decision making, not worthy of being adopted by the majority of the people as the Gospel. What makes the writer think having it right this time. Obama is not what he looks like however, he is what he behaves like and that, is definitely not presidential, but only shows his inexperience and ignorance of world affairs. Using his association, with the liabilities surrounding him as a measuring stick toward the presidency, is wrong and could be dangerous. The scary part of this whole process of picking a president based on the present choices we have, should be every-body's concern. especially for the independent voters of this country.

Posted by: hankhaan | May 20, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The "fix is in" for Obama and a landslide for McCain in November. The DNC thinks that the women voters are going to vote democratic just like the blacks no matter who's on the ticket and they are going to get a surprise in November. I SAY A VOTE FOR MCCAIN IS A VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2112!!!

Posted by: maria h | May 20, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for a few miscues:

"bite their noses off to spite their faces"

1. should be tax rebates, not tax refunds.

Posted by: Earl C | May 20, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Contrary to some previous comments, I have tried to elevate the discourse on this blog. Some apparently believe that veiled threats (if I do not win, I'll pick up my marbles and go home -- meaning, if not Hillary, I'll vote the opposition) will work. Actually, way too many seem willing "to bite their noses off despite their faces."

Hillary is to be commended for her effort during this primary season. Like any human being, she has made some errors of judgment. Barack readily admits his mistakes.

Regarding the "swing" states and the 2008 election, there are many on here who seem to have a clear view through their crysal balls. It should be obvious to anyone who has been following the Barack campaign that he is waging a nontraditional presidential campaign. I would be greatly surprised if the political map does not shift significantly on election day. Many of you are writing Barack off because of a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Virginia has a real chance of swinging to the Democratic column this year for the first time in many years. We are very likely to pick up our second Democratic senator.

For Democrats, McCain is not an option if you believe that the Iraq War, universal health care, Social Security, and so forth are issues about which we have a major role to play. I, for one, do not want anything like what have seen for the past seven years. Talk about the misery index that the Republicans hung around our necks during the 1980 campaign. Yes, interest rates are low, inflation seems to be low, and so forth by the standards that were used to build their misery index. Look at the misery index for 2008: runaway food, housing, and gas prices, interest rates so low that people cannot earn a decent return on their savings, a stagnant stock market, and on and on.

We have been strapped with an administration that tells/has told us:
(1) Tax refunds do no contribute to the national debt.
(2) The economy is growing and doing well.
(3) We are winning the war in Iraq after they told us that "major combat operations are over" in 2003.
(4) We must put the cost of the Iraq War as a supplemental to the budget because we do not know how much to ask for.
(5) We know where the WMDs are.
(6) (Supply you own.)

McCain now promises to provide more of the same for four more years. So much for the straight talk express.

Posted by: Earl C, Virginia Beach | May 20, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Like I've said before, "If the news media and the scared Democratic Party push Hillary Clinton out I will vote for the Republican."

Posted by: Stanley | May 20, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Instead of the name calling we should try to figure out who can win the general election. The rules are different we have to get the swings states (which Clinton tends to win) and it is winner takes all.

In this format it is hard to refer back to previous comments but Florida democrat and Jim from Denver (if I remember correctly) counted the delegates for the GE and Obama doesn't have a chance.

Btw. some of the comments here are so primitively hateful mostly against the Clintons but some against Obama, that it makes me wonder if this is the community I want to belong to.

Posted by: rjc | May 20, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Read the comments on the WaPo and then read the comments on the NYT. The difference in tone (and syntax and grammar) is vast. NYT moderates; WP does not.

I'm not sure what the WP intends to provide with these open, anonymous comments sections, but what it is in fact providing is a forum for the grossest, most illiterate, and barely coherent sort of infamy. These sections are generally worthless reading and often just disgraceful.

WP should insist on a minimum level of relevance and coherence in its forums. Or close them down as a public nuisance. Or accept the role of Blog of Last Resort, fit only for those bottom feeders who can't post to moderated sites, for good reason.

Posted by: drossless | May 20, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Doug above quotes a certain summer Democrat pledged to desert if Hillary isn't nominated. "I believe that with a majority of Democrats in Congress, McCain can't do much harm."

Famous last words!

No health care reform? 100 more years of Iraq? Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran? Supreme Court nominees opposed to reproductive freedom?

How can Writerjudy59 support Hillary but not her platform?

Posted by: jhbyer | May 19, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the Florida and Michigan primaries, get over it. The DNC will figure something out. However, Hillary is way out of line on this one. Barack like the other democratic contenders did not campaign in either state in support of the DNC decision. In fact, not all candidates were listed on the ballots. This is a classic example of wanting to change the accepted rules after an event has taken place because it seems like you have the edge. In reality, Hillary does not look good in this situation. Agreeing to the rules before the vote and then running an all-out campaign to change the rules after the vote does not look good.

Posted by: Earl C, Virginia Beach | May 19, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm still reading the plethora of comments. Please look at Barack's credentials. He does have experience in leadership. Remember, our founding fathers did not require a test to determine the qualifications of a President.

Barack has passed my individual test to date: He shares my political views. A qualification that Brack has that I really like is the way that he responds to situations when he is under intense pressure. He does not strike back like a wounded animal. He does not become irrational. He engages his brain and then speaks with a measured, thoughtful response. Even the "bitter" comment, when taken in context, is really on the mark with many people. In fact, in my white, very conservative church last Sunday, I heard the preacher talk about people "clinging to Jesus." You have all heard it. The use of these words does not make a person elitist. Only the spinners who are looking for every word to spin dream these things up. Just look at how quickly the McCain camp picked on Barack's word "tiny." Look at Barack's speech and you'll know immediately that McCain totally misrepresented Barack's comment. How do you think McCain will talk truth to the American people if he cannot even get this right?

Posted by: Earl C | May 19, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Imagine how it will be if Hillary supporters are seen/polled pushing McBush over the top.

You think there will be a Clinton machine in 2012?

Get a grip folks.

Posted by: Mr Judgment | May 19, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

If you count the votes Clinton has received including those in Florida and Michigan she will likely be ahead in the popular vote after the Kentucky and Oregon primaries.Watch for the Supreme Court of the DNC to then decide to STOP COUNTING THE VOTES and declare Obama the winner before Clinton rings up the biggest popular vote win in all the primaries with her win in Puerto Rico.We didn't vote of this hugh number of super delegates, we didn't get to vote on which states should vote in which order, and now her popular vote win will be swept under the rug!  Just watch and see!

Posted by: Kenn the Dem | May 19, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I am a democrate in nature and distrust anyone who accepted the misguided information from the white house to enter in a war without checking out all statistics, Thats what has us in the hole for three trillion dollars plus. any body that votes for a Republican this time around is a self distructive fool or one who is super rich and trying to distroy the United States by killing its Middle Class. (The group that takes care of the rich as well as the poor.)be awake white male america and don't belive the stupid statements made by some unknown blogger who is working for the Republican party and believe me. The youth are smarter than we think they are. good luck Hillary or Obama. I'll take either one of you this time, and I will be watching you. We need more food, we need to use the oil we have here in the ground and we need to conserve. Sauda Arabia can't eat that oil, and the big fence along the boarder will not stop the immagrents from comming here. If I lived in mexico, I would be swimming the reo grand myself. We need to do what Arizona has done and forget the big useless fence. Its just a waste of money for special interest, and that should have been as clear as the nose on the congress face.
Birt.

Posted by: Birt. | May 19, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Take a deep breath people. I supported Hillary before I supported Barack. My mom, an avid Hillary supporter, switched to Barack about a month ago thanks to Hillary's negative campaign tactics and increasing sarcasm. Regarding Barack's supposed arrogance. Please do not confuse arrogance with self-confidence. Bush and his minions are arrogant. McCain is not an appropriate alternative to Hillary. If you plan to switch your vote from Clinton to McCain, please consider how many more years you want us to suffer the Bush years and from McCain's own mouth you'll have a minimum of five more years like the present in Iraq. It is really time to bring back the draft. It is obvious that most Americans have no clue what a cost war really is. Thank you Mr. Bush for making war look so "romantic."
I predict that Barack will win over Hillary supporters who will respond to his campaign style and his morality. McCain's background has not been fully vetted. There are skeletons in his closet. I also predict that McCain will collect 100% of the bigot vote. The white supremists among us will point to the near unanimity of the Black community who will vote for Barack to press the reason for whites to support McCain. We must remember that Blacks have been voting in overwhelming numbers for white candidates for years. As McCain begins the slip into senility, Barack will only get better as he brings bright new faces to government service. These people will believe that government can work for the people. The Republicans have spent a lot of time since 1980 trying to prove to us that government is incompetent and unnecessary. I give you President Bush as proof that government is indeed incompetent. Time to end the war-mongering, borrow and spend policies of the Republicans.

Posted by: Earl C, Virginia Beach | May 19, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if anyone that runs the Democratic party reads these things.
But as a Hillary supporter, I am sure that I don't need to list for you every reason I prefer Hillary to Obama.

But let's just say epxperience makes the top three.

On the other hand, the Democratic party expect us to come back in the fold and support Obama if he's their choice.
And I cannot for the life of me understand why they think I would ever do that after seeing how shabbily Obama supporters have treated us.
It seems that Obama's second biggest liability is his own supporters

I intend to write-in Hillary as an Independent choice, if not an independent candidate.

The only certainty for me and for most older Democrats who are furious that half the party electorate is being ignored, is registering our protest by not voting for Obama.

I can't imagine why the country that elected George W Bush twice and thought that Dean and Kerry were too peculiar to be electable would be expected to vote for Obama.

This is a guy that no middle American can relate to.
His who life has been climbing toward the six figure set.
At the cost of losing every perception of the common touch.
Seeing Obama in any Joe Sixpack situation just makes me gleeful. He looks like he's got his shoes on the wrong feet the whole time.

This election is not about Merlot. It's about Milk Money.
And the only people that are clueless about that one are the gullible lemmings heading the democratic party.

Maybe losing really is a habitual thing with them.

But what will always be the Big Puzzle for me is why throw away chance to have 16 years in a Clinton-Obama lock on the White House for a six month mud wrestle?

Obama is far more unelectable by the middle portion of the elctorate than Hillary Clinton.
I guess the Democrats just feel proving that is more important an issue to themselves than winning an election.
They seem to be determined to be John McCain's biggest benefactors.

Why is that?

gala1

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't vote for Obama if hell turned over. He is a NO NOTHING HATE MONGER and uses his big mouth to spread hate among people . How dare he put down women, the poor and the elderly! Who the hell does he think he is. ??It is his contention that he was born to be President! He was born because of a moment of madness on his mother's part. Nothing more! We have had Pres. in the past but this upstart is no Presidential material. Bush and Obama, what a fate for the USA. Ruination continues where Bush leaves off

Posted by: lynn parker | May 19, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Obamites have been mostly hateful when it comes to commentaries all over the web. I wonder how Obama thrives in the company of these haters. But it is said that birds of feather flock together. So, I can only surmise about the attitude and beliefs of Obama based on these Obamites.

Posted by: am_i_alone | May 19, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

For all of you thinking that there is some "Rush Limbaugh" conspiracy. Here is a wake up call - I am a hardcore Democrat, a minority and I am voting for John McCain.

Thats just how annoying, clueless and insulting you Obamabots have been and are.

Posted by: Nick | May 19, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I am a white, middle-aged conservative "Reagan Republican" who despises George Bush for: an unconstitutional war; attack on civil liberties; presiding over a gigantic deficit that my own party created; and a politics of division. Neither can I vote for McCain because he is much the same as Bush. To you Hillary and Hussein supporters, let me give you a tip...this is still a conservative country who looks to competence and experience--which Obama has none of--and a sense of America's special place in the world. After listening to Obama, several of my fellow G.O.P. friends have said he makes Hillary look almost acceptable. It's not a question of race with this neophyte, it's a question of character. Our nation's democrats and republicans would flock to vote for Colin Powell. I'm still disappointed he did not run against Bill in 1996; he would have won easily. Finally, you democrats, don't overlook the power of nativism among our people. The border is out of control. Hillary, McCain and Hussein all want to abandon our southern border for cheap labor and cheap votes.

Posted by: Hoosier Republican | May 19, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary and Chuck Hagel on the independent ticket would tear everyone up."

It would split the lib vote and McCain would win in a walk.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 19, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Chuck Hagel on the independent ticket would tear everyone up.

Posted by: roncraw | May 19, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I truly hope that all those Clinton (or Obama)supporters who vow they will vote for John Mc Cain or stay home on Election Day are just overcoming a period of blinding bitterness. Please recognize that Clinton and Obama have incredibly similar policy proposals. I think it's wonderful that so many Democrats are passionately standing by a candidate - after four years of Bush, we should we be passionate. But we should not let our passion for one candidate completely skew the way we look at the other. It makes no sense to blame Obama for Clinton's fall or vice versa. They both worked incredibly hard and garnered the support of millions of voters. But now it's time to come together. Chances are, you're still clinging to your biases (or the biases of the media) - go out there and DO YOUR RESEARCH. Choosing to vote for McCain or staying home in November and allowing McCain to take the presidency will be the worst decision you could make, and your spiteful/uninformed decisions will impact our country for generations to come.

Posted by: Adeva | May 19, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

So far MSM has failed to acknowledge in print the problem which many Hillary supporters have with their Dem Party: the DNC and party elders have intervened at many points to give Obama every conceivable advantage. In other words, they have fixed their own primary. Now you expect us to vote for the one who would have lost if the election were fair? I think not!

Posted by: PoconoPam | May 19, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I personally think this intense ill will is useful for it allows all the undercurrents to ventilate themselves. If it was all sweetness (or sweetie-ness) and light among the Democrats then this would all have to happen later in the general election. But this has allowed our general election opponents to notice how the Karl Rove tactics aren't working so well. They will do them but they need to calibrate them so they actually hurt the person you are trying to hurt instead of hurting you. The primary on the Democratic side has been instructive. Also has allowed some of the lurking hatreds to surface openly and everybody to recklessly display their prejudices and misconceptions freely on the Internet. This is excellent. Then the tension doesn't build up so much.

Posted by: Gaias Child | May 19, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm an older white woman voting for Sen. Obama - not because he's part African American, but because I find he's best on the issues. His positions on health care, energy and the environment can be viewed by going to his official website and linking from the issues categories to his policy papers on PDF format.

I think Sen. Clinton is OK on domestic issues, but on foreign policy issues, I worry that Sen. Clinton appears to feel that since she's a woman, she is under constant pressure to demonstrate that she is "tough". I feel Sen. Clinton has made it all too clear that this mindset will carry over to her foreign policy judgements. I believe that's the wrong message to send - as a woman, as a president, and as a world leader.

Rather than being reactionary to gender stereotype, we women can best move beyond the stereotypes by being "effective" in our leadership. By now, all of us should know that displays of "toughness" don't necessarily translate into "effectiveness". Look at George Bush.

An inability to demonstrate military restraint - for whatever reason - could get our country into more trouble than we're already in. We can't afford all this war. It's killing our young people, our economy, and our standing in the world.

We need a leader who knows what "tough" really is and who has the confidence and courage to project a different "mindset" and lead our country into a position of real strength in the world.

Sen. Obama has shown he is capable of restraint in his foreign policy decisions, and he has recruited some of the best policy advisors - many from the former Clinton administration.

Sen. Obama has endorsements from some of the most highly respected democrats, lake Sam Nunn and Lee Hamilton. I'm sure these people aren't supporting Sen. Obama just because they think he's a rock star. There are good reasons for their support.

I hope that people who don't know what those reasons are, and who are openminded and/or curious, will go to Sen. Obama's official web site and find out.

Posted by: Alice | May 19, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

In 2000 the Republicans nominated a neophyte who went on to be elected and then, a scant two years later, ushered in a strong Republican majority in Congress.


The balance of power swung so hard to the (far) right that members of the GOP felt they could do anything they wanted...and thus destroyed their party in the eyes of the nation, if not the world.


I fear the same thing will happen to the Democrats with Barack Obama as president.


He has never been in a position of true leadership. He is as much of a neophyte as George W. Bush was back in 2000, a man that voters chose because they "liked" him, not because he was the best candidate.


With the Democrats almost assured of earning a super majority in Congress this November, I foresee the same sort of all-encompassing swing coming from the (far) left, ushering in the same ultimately destructive results.


That is just one of the reasons I will not vote for Barack Obama in November.


There are many more, not the least of which is the astonishing sexism and hatred I've seen bubble up from the supposed progressives within the Democratic Party, a party I no longer recognize.

Posted by: Tracy from Los Angeles | May 19, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

After seeing the massive crowds that greeted "American Idol" finalists last week, one realizes that Obama's crowds are impressive but not an isolated phenomenon. The cameras trained on him and the supporters behind him at the rallies intentionally mislead the public into thinking he has support among segments of the electorate where he has lost decisively. For instance, when Hillary beats him with older women, suddenly some appear strategically behind him. When she skunks him with the blue collar vote, white males in workclothes dominate the stands behind him. What's next? Farmers in overalls with hay dangling from their mouths? Notice that you never see more than one or two blacks behind him. This is what is annoying and deceptive about Obama.

Posted by: cjm30 | May 19, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The only thing hillbillaree is closing in on is...the entrance of the FAT LADY.

hillbillaree will be remembered for dragging this race on to the "damage" of the democratic party. She will be remembered for her DESPERATION, her POMPOUS attitude, her SEXIST campaign, and her intentional RACISM where she blatantly focused only on WHITE blue collar workers, because that is all she had left.

hillbillaree will be remembered as a self-serving "disgrace" to the democratic party and PROCESS.

Good riddance clintons! Don't let the DOOR HIT YA ON THE WAY OUT!!!

Posted by: hillbillareemakesmevomit | May 19, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

All of you are making Feaver's point. It is true that many who support either Obama or Clinton are having a difficult time coming around to supporting the other. That is caused by the disappointment of Hillary's base and the unbelievable vitriol of Obama's supporters towards them.

Don't you idiots get it. Without Hillary's supporters Obama becomes just a footnote in history: "first black candidate nominated for president by a major political party." If you are really interested in winning in November take a lesson from your mother who taught you: "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

In other words (now I sound like GWB) try not insulting her or her supporters. Try holding out an olive branch. Try saying nice things instead of antagonizing and gloating.

You only have one-half a victory and one half of a party. You need all of the party and the whole victory or your favorite son will be an electoral landslide loser and joins the ranks of such revered democrats as George McGovern and Dukakis.

I am a Hillary supporter and have misgivings about Obama and his abilities. If he and his supporters can not unite the party, how is he going to unite a country. Like so many, we will turn to the Congress to govern and protect us during a McCain administration. I want to believe and I want to vote for a Democrat, but so far I have not been given a reason to do so. Convince me not by force, but by impassioned reason without insulting me.

Give it a thought. Think about it.

Posted by: Jeff | May 19, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Should clue you in as to how polarizing this upstart with absolutely zero international and domestic experience can be.

McCain is much more centrist than Obama and Reagan democrats will be determining the next leader not children and 9th district leaning kooks...

Posted by: Obvious | May 19, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

wow you missed the point.With Bill it was a white man against a white man. This election will be two firsts.Black women had to choose between a women or a black of which they are both.My point is they choose the racist one.

Posted by: roncraw | May 19, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure I understand why the GOP would be posting on this site as Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain at this point in the process. This stratgy would have made sense early in the campaign, but not now. The Democratic nominee is/will be Obama. Hillary supporters threatening to vote for McCain would seem to risk a larger Democratic and (possibly independent) turnout in November in response to the fact that a certain % of Hillary's supporters will vote Republican.

Posted by: Curious | May 19, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I would not mind voting an African-American into office, I think it could be a good thing for our country. I do, however, have serious reservations about Barack Obama. I think his message of change is phony, and I think he's a phony. He didn't even have any message until he got the Oprah endorsement, I often wonder if she came up with the slogan for him. Regardless of that, he's never specified as to what exactly he intends to change, just that we need some mysterious 'change' somewhere. Seems like smoke and mirrors to me.

Posted by: Robert | May 19, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama IS the messiah. He and only He can save this country from those who believe guns and religion are the answer to everything. Hillary and her supporters just don't get it. Join our movement.

Posted by: lefty | May 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear political rookies and losers:

In case you can't figure out who I'm talking about, it is you folks who declare you won't vote for the Democratic nominee because your candidate lost.

Wake up. As they say, "politics ain't beanbag", and every primary campaign will have its moment when one candidate or his or her proxy says something that is offensive to the other candidate and his or her followers. But, at the end of the day, particularly this year, the two candidates in question have far more in common than either of them have with John McCain. Only an idiot would vote for McCain or allow McCain to be elected because you were piqued at Obama or Clinton.

Truth be told, this primary campaign was really very tame, far tamer than anybody expects the general election to be. About the cheesiest thing anybody on either side did was that photo of Obama in the turban. While some of what the Obama camp has said and done was over the top, in truth, the target of Clinton supporters' wrath shouldn't be Obama, but the mainstream media, which couldn't resist taking shots at Clinton, just because they don't like the Clintons. The only rationale I could think of is that they're jealous because she and her husband are smarter and show more gumption than any of them.

So, stop acting like babies. When the primary campaign is over, we have one more obstacle to making this country better, and that is John McCain. We need to pull together to get rid of him and bury Bushism.

Posted by: John | May 19, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

obama is half white and half black.i think hillary had sex change back in 96 after monica. lets see that makes her a he-she.

Posted by: don l | May 19, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Believe it or not, I was planning on voting for John McCain...right up until he took a page from the Bush playbook. The most recent criticism of Obama, of even talking to Iran and other enemies (AND, John, that isn't "appeasement"...it's called SANITY) is just plain nuts. So, I will be voting Democrat in the Fall no matter who the nominatee is. We have to do something to fix the mess this country is in. Free trade is a disaster for everyone but a few wealthy people and corporations, guest workers are all parasites that take jobs from U.S. citizens - and nowhere is this more apparent or mor dangerous than with the millions of Indian H1-B workers that have displaced 4.5 million of our own engineers and computer programmers. Corporations are completely out of control - mortage banks take government bailout money and turn around and cheat home owners, pile on paperwork, commit outright acts of fraud and take peoples homes. Evidently it is perfectly okay with McCain if the same people (that VERY same commodity brokers, only they are alled "hedge fund" managers today, in many cases!!!) that brought us Enron are involved in bidding up the cost of food and oil and gasoline. That and investments in CHina and India are the reason Wall Street stocks are going up while the rest of us are destitute or heading that way. John McCain has proven himself morally and intellectually bankrupt and unsuited to be President. SO, no matter who the Democrats nominate, I'm going to plug my nose and vote for them. Maybe, if we ruthlessly destroy the Republican Party, and I mean cost them every job from U.S. Senator to local dog catcher, those bozo's will finally get the idea that they either stand with us or they can go into the dumper with the wealthy free trading swine that created the mess we are in.

Posted by: MikeB | May 19, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

wow Now you are making up fairy tales.Tell me who did 100% of blacks vote for

Posted by: roncraw | May 19, 2008 3:13 PM
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Bill Clinton! Well, maybe only 98%

Posted by: Wow | May 19, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Feminist Granny | May 19, 2008 3:13 PM

SPOT ON FEMINIST GRANNY!!!

Posted by: Wow | May 19, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Stop speaking for me when you say that "women" back Clinton. I don't and a lot of other women don't. I resent it. Only certain women support her. They seem to me to be largely frustrated, bitter, radical feminists of my own generation, who blindly think ANY woman should be president. Well, I've always been a very liberal feminist, and Hillary is not the woman I would ever vote for for president. I chose Obama because I read his early speeches and writings and I believe he is far superior to Hillary (and most politicians) in intelligence, character, temperament, judgment, ideals -- and honesty. I lived through all of Hillary's dirty laundry over the years and I will not vote for such a person, no matter what gender or color. That's what true feminism is all about -- that we be gender-blind in our choices and chances in life. I think some of the major sexists here are journalists who insist on generalizing and lumping us women into one big group.

Posted by: Feminist Granny | May 19, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

wow Now you are making up fairy tales.Tell me who did 100% of blacks vote for

Posted by: roncraw | May 19, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Why will I, a Democrat, not support Obama?

1. Jeremiah Wright. I'm not satisfied with Obama's explanation of why he sat there in the pews for 20 years enthusiastically supporting a racist, anti-Semitic, anti-American pastor, criticizing Wright only when it became politically expedient to do so.

2. Obama's lack of experience. The idea that he's qualified to be President is absurd.

3. Obama's (or his mouthpieces, Axelrod, Plouffe, Burton and the others) accusations of racism towards anyone with any sort of criticism of him. That sort of behavior is unworthy of anyone running for President.

I'm not voting for McCain - but I'll never vote for Obama.

Posted by: AndyfromVA | May 19, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Are we evolving or frustrated because we Americans are nurtured to desire belonging without respecting nature?

Posted by: autochamp | May 19, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"This election has convinced me we need to raise the voting age. Too many teeny-bop fans out there voting and screaming for their choice for American Idol without regard for policies, issues or (dire) onsequences.

Posted by: FlaLady | May 19, 2008 2:59 PM "
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Oh, I don't know. Somtimes, out of the mouths of babes comes wisdom. Look at the predicament at "age" and "experience" has put us in.

Posted by: Wow | May 19, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

This has been a fascinating read -all you bloggers! My gut tells me all the negative Obama stuff is from Rush's Army. Do not be fooled by these jackals. They know what they are doing. To relect Bush by voting for Mcain would be the greatest mistake our party has made in many a year. Mcain is a terrifying war monger who will prolong the abominable war in Iraq for one hundred years. How many more coffins to we need shipped back to
America? How many thousands of crippled and horribley wounded young women and men to we want sent back to us? End this damn nightmare by voting Democratic. Hillary or Obama are our only hopes to get out of this human disaster created by our "commander in war"

Posted by: rev.wiggly | May 19, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

This election has convinced me we need to raise the voting age. Too many teeny-bop fans out there voting and screaming for their choice for American Idol without regard for policies, issues or (dire) onsequences.

Posted by: FlaLady | May 19, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Women versus African-Americans! Are we REALLY surprised we've arrived to this level of analysis? I, for one (as a liberal white man), stand by my sisters. If you review the website for the leading organization for women (National Organization of Women) you CLEARLY see their choices to fight not only for women's rights, but the rights of African-Americans, gay people, etc (the sections are easily seen and identified). If you visit the leading African American organization's website (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) you do NOT find clear choices that support women's rights, gay rights, etc. Their subsections speak of youth, education, etc. but they don't seem to care for women or gays (not even black women or gays). The choice, while quite regrettable, is simply clear...women simple appear to more broadly fight for a range of oppressed peoples while the leading African Americans have not. As a pastor who cares about ALL people (and especially all people suffering from oppression) I must stand by the one who represent the hopes and dreams of women...and all oppressed peoples. I stand by Hillary...Hillary for President for '08! May God be with us all during this trying time of discernment.

Posted by: gayUCCpastor | May 19, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

All the new blather about sexism spoiling Hill-Rod's bid to be prez is just that - blather.

The Clintons are their own worst enemies. The Most Brilliant Political Duo of Our Generation ran a ham-fisted campaign and blew a sure thing.

But now they're out to blame anyone and anything - other than themselves. Typical Billary crappola.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 19, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"There has never been a women Pres. yet 92% of BLACK WOMEN voted for Obama anyone that can make me believe that this isn't racist has the ability to make me believe the the fairy tale the tooth fairy is fact. oops I forgot fairy tale is now a racist word.

Posted by: roncraw | May 19, 2008 2:50 PM"

Is it racist when 100% of black women and men voted for a caucasian male? Just curious.

Posted by: Wow | May 19, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

There has never been a women Pres. yet 92% of BLACK WOMEN voted for Obama anyone that can make me believe that this isn't racist has the ability to make me believe the the fairy tale the tooth fairy is fact. oops I forgot fairy tale is now a racist word.

Posted by: roncraw | May 19, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

AP 8 minutes ago
"WASHINGTON - Sen. Robert C. Byrd, a former member of the Ku Klux Klan and a one-time opponent of civil rights legislation, endorsed Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination on Monday."

Who says people can't change if they put their minds and best interest into it.

Posted by: Wow | May 19, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are such a dysfunctional group. I am a lifelong democrat who has supported Senator Clinton and do not plan to vote for John McCain. However, I am dismayed at the prickly attitude from both sides of this, but recognize that it stems from a polarized group that have always been separated within the party. The tug-of-war between the central and liberal sides of the party have been played out for decades, but have never been resolved. That is why the party had so much trouble when the Republicans became unified despite their differences. If there ever was an opportunity to win the White House as a democrat, this is it!

But, to become a supporter of Barack Obama, I need to embrace his vision of new politics and his ability to deliver. When has he ever demonstrated this ability to influence legislation by bringing disparate gruops together during his career? I have combed through his accomplishments and cannot find any such moment. Until I KNOW that he has and can produce the change that he is promising, it is all just talk. Platforms can be cut-and-pasted onto websites, speeches can be written and presented eloquently, enthusiastic crowds can be stroked and excited, but talk is cheap without real action.

When I believe that there is substance supporting the Obama campaign, I will join. Until that time, I am not willing to blindly be told what to do.

Posted by: Eric63 | May 19, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Informed Democrat,

How could Obama advertise HEAVILY in FL when the ads were national? Was he holding an orange or something?

By the way, he asked for permission from the DNC before running national ads (that he couldn't exclude Florida from) and received it.

Posted by: Franklin | May 19, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If the Clinton supporters actually decide to vote for McCain instead of Obama, then it is official----they have lost their freaking minds. For them to help throw away a golden opportunity to possibly, actually DO something about the war, the economy, the supreme court---is an affront and betrayal of what their party stands for.

Posted by: tdub | May 19, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Allowing John McCain to give republicans a 7-2 majority in the Supreme Court that will last for the next 30+ years makes total sense. Right. Who cares if you children and grand children don't have any rights or civil liberties? Your spite is more important than protecting their freedom."

Well said (except for the left/lib cant in the middle there).

This is exactly the point missed by Obama OR Hill-Rod supporters who - consumed by sour grapes - threaten to bolt the party.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 19, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"Many Hillary lovers will reject Obama in retaliation for his squashing the woman's campaign..."

I like this one... they should hate him because he even had the dare to campaign against her and win. Why obviously everyone would love him if he lost...

Posted by: Franklin | May 19, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I supported Obama until I realized his veiled and hollow messages of hope were nothing but a typical politician. What makes Obama dangerous and untrustworthy, in my opinon, is that he has no record and is a one way idealist. He wants to clean up campaigning, politics, etc, but he turns around an has his "campaign" use the same tactics. At this point I'm all for Hillary and will either not vote or support McCain if Obama becomes the nominee.

Posted by: Alan | May 19, 2008 11:10 AM


Alan... thanks for the laugh. You really liked him, but then realized his messages were 'veiled and hollow'? At least try when you pose as an Obama supporter.

Posted by: Franklin | May 19, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

For all those commenters out there who support Hillary, but can't support Obama because he's 'too liberal'.

I'm sorry, but her healthcare plan was much more left of the center than his. Otherwise, both of their agendas toe the democratic line and (unless you're a Republican) are moderate.

Can you name one 'too liberal' proposal the Obama has set forth? (I can name the idiotic gas tax fiasco as one that could be seen as such for the other candidates)

All you're doing is following a 'report' issued which considered items like 'campaign ethics' as 'liberal'.

If anything in his proposals, Obama has shown to be a little more 'common sense' than his counterparts (things that may actually be passed, not just pandering to voters).

Posted by: Franklin | May 19, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama has not done well in any of the swing states

Ohio
Pennsylvannia
Florida
West Virginia

Most of his wins are in either solid blue states which we already have or solid red states where a the black vote makes up the majority of the democratic party but we will have chance to carry that state.

North Carolina
Virginia
Mississippi
Georgia

Obama will be the McGovern of 2008

Posted by: Jim in Denver | May 19, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Bottom line, that someone is future Madam President, Hillary Clinton."

It just IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Besides, the last thing the country needs is more disgusting Clinton melodrama.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 19, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

One person, One vote (not applicable in Florida and Michigan).

Posted by: Jimmy | May 19, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Remember Ladies and all Democrats,

Common Cause, Common Ground.

Alternative:

4 more years of being "BUSHED"(on economics, healthcare, the Iraq war, overall foreign policy and the Spreme Court) in the form of John McClone.

The choice is ours!

Posted by: vgirl1 | May 19, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

You are absolutely right in your reporting that months ago, the media and Obama told Clinton that this race was over and yet today the American people are backing her as future President by the millions! What is wrong with this picture? Let me tell you, so there can be no mistake as you read these words. The media and the Obama campaign have been wrong from the very beginning and have underestimated the American public. We, the American people want the very BEST candidate for the job of President of these United States. We, the American people do not care how much money one candidate over the other has for their campaign. We, the American people do not care what skin color they have. What we do care about is how that candidate is going to put our nation back on track. The economy, bringing our sons and daughters home from a war that should have not happened in the first place. Health care, national security, terrorism, jobs so we can make a decent living for our families. These are just some of the issues weighing heavy on the minds of Americans. We need someone with the experience, dedication, perseverance, and the ability to fight for America, not only on a national arena but in a global arena. Bottom line, that someone is future Madam President, Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Michael Gubbons | May 19, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I have trouble imagining how anyone who has wholeheartedly supported Senator Clinton can even contemplate voting for Senator McCain. On issue after issue, their policies are as different as night and day.

This is doubly so for anyone who supports Clinton for the historic step she would make as a potential female president. Vvoting for McCain would be detrimental to women's rights in many ways.

I can only see two major reasons for people to claim they've supported Clinton and would vote for McCain: temporary spitefulness after the primaries (understandable, but will hopefully pass before they make mistakes they'd regret), or deliberate sabotage by the increasingly desperate Republicans.

Posted by: fzeleny | May 19, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Nelson Mandela spent time in the slammer and did s good job. Let's give John McCain the same chance.

Posted by: mongo | May 19, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Quite simply Obama supporters are largely the far left fringe of the Democratic party. Obama is also pretty left.

As a moderate Democrat I simply find it hard to vote for him. The foul-mouthed supporters that flock to him like sheep don't help either. You'd think if they wanted people to vote for Obama they'd be a bit nicer. Oh well, their loss. I'm probably voting for McCain come November.

And please don't try to play the whole 'same as Bush' routine. McCains been around for a while and to anyone with any knowledge of politics is apparent he isn't the same as Bush.

Posted by: Nick | May 19, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Well, count me out of the disunity. I am so disgusted with the last 8 years of Pres. Bush that I don't think there's anything McCain (whom I quite liked in the 2000) can do to convince me that he wouldn't likely bring more of the same. I'd cheerfully vote for Obama, Hilary, or Genghis Khan -- whoever stood the best chance of beating the Republican ticket.

Posted by: Carl | May 19, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Check their voting record. Forget religon, religon is one of the leading causes of DEATH! If you like fascism, vote republican. Why would a person vote against their own best interests unless you are well vested in the 'military industrial complex' and YOU are making money from DEATH. I am a VN vet. and I know how the war machine works. It matters NOT what side of the aisle you are on. CHECK THEIR VOTING RECORD before you vote!!

Posted by: Bill | May 19, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I find these comments interesting. No matter how hard I read them, I can find no evidence of independent thinking. They are either blind party followers that would vote for Judas as long as the party named him, or blind person supporters that do not even know the issues their candidate supports.

I have been having a real hard time with this whole election cycle. There is no candidate that is viable who supports the issues important to me. I am a non-aligned independent that is pro-guns, pro-choice, and anti-illegal immigration. None of the candidates have plans that support these positions.

I am also sick of the Democrat's take from the rich and give to the poor fiscal policies and the Republican's give to the rich and scr*w the poor fiscal policies. I am neither rich or poor, just middle class and working my rear off to try and stay there.

The Democrats have had a majority in congress for 2 years now and to hear them WHINE about "George Bush's War" really sticks in my craw. They have been way too busy trying to "one up" the Republicans with their investigations of the Attorney General BS that they do not have time to take care of real problems. Every time it comes up for a vote, the fall in line, like sheep, to keep the troops in Iraq. Many ran on promises of windfall taxes on obscene oil profits...what happened? (Can you spell lobbyists!)?

Only the Obama campaign talks about "changing the way things are done in Washington" and pessimistically, I doubt the lobbyists will allow any change to happen.
Oh, for a real third party..........

Posted by: indyfromwa | May 19, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Allowing John McCain to give republicans a 7-2 majority in the Supreme Court that will last for the next 30+ years makes total sense. Right. Who cares if you children and grand children don't have any rights or civil liberties? Your spite is more important than protecting their freedom.

Posted by: Z | May 19, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Well I have to say for those people who feel that Clinton is showing "Tenacity", "Courage" or a "Never Quit attitude" has to look at the reverse side of the coin she will go to any limit to get what she wants does that sound familiar maybe Bushesq with his war (because this is not our war) to get back at Saddam for trying to kill his daddy...Hillary needs to admit under neath her white hood is a Republican.

Posted by: Jersey Guy | May 19, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse


Sarah:

You need to manage your anger better and leave that antichrist business to me. Judge not and all that.

And, in response to incredulity, why would you doubt my ability to Blog?

Posted by: God | May 19, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

nclstk:
FLORIDA DEMOCRAT ARE NOT STUPID.
WE VOTED THE DAY THE POLES WERE OPEN.
WE HAD NO SAY SO ABOUT THE DATE.
THE DEMOCRATIC COVENTION APPOINTED THE PEOPLE THAT SET THE DATE, NO ME.
IM BEONG PUNISHED FOR THIER SHORT COMINGS.
I'LL VOTE MCCAIN!!!!

Posted by: FLORIDA DEMOCRAT | May 19, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama- an Antichrist We Can Believe In

Consider his sexual rockstar status among young voters, his ability to continuously lie without impunity, his connections to mob members and terrorist both real and wannabes. His strong and unscrupulous desire for raw power, at any cost, regardless what it does to others, (he became senator simply by disqualifying his opponents). His empty words and changing promises, his desire to be friends with those who wish to destroy us. His wife Michele has expressed her hatred for this country and has publicly announced her husband as the messiah.

The voodoo of this all is that Teflon Obama remains unscathed by all his nefarious connections and thug like history. He is worshiped not only blindly by the mindless masses, but by the fearful media.

I am not very religious, but I think Nostradamus got it right again. What is God going to think of all the lemmings that follow a man of darkness?

Posted by: Sarah Carlton | May 19, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

These stereotypesare designed to lead people to vote against our own interests. My father used to say that when the wealthy and powerful see working people coming together to address our basic economic needs they will make "race" or religion or family values, the issue.

During 30 years in social services, I have seen sad cases of good people whose communities and lives were adversely affected because they voted for elected officials based solely race (black and white) instead of carefully understanding the candidates' policy positions on bread and butter issues.

No matter which candidate - scrutinize carefully. Look carefully at their life work (not silly ads). Hold them accountable for real stuff, not beer or bowling or bashing!

Posted by: Nana | May 19, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Here is why Hillary lost:

"Barack Obama and his family greeted a record-breaking crowd of 75,000 in Portland, Ore., on Sunday, ahead of that state's primary this Tuesday."

Can she do that? Can anybody? David Lee Roth couldn't even do that in his prime! Okay, bad example.

C'mon fellow Dems. Don't waste your vote. This election is way to serious. McCain is a shill and will mean 4 more horrible years. Heck, Republicans don't even want that. Ron Paul and Hillary C. are done; over; kaput.

Energize! And let's take USA back!

Thank you.


Posted by: Horay. | May 19, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly why women have not been respected and why they will not be taken seriously in the future. I think we act more like kids than mature adults. What has Obama done? He has campaigned honourably, raised a lot of money for the Democratic party, brought in a lot of young people. In short Hillary never expected that! Obama was running against two presidential candidate-Hillary and Bill. Respected her throughout, never bashed her as she did, yet he is winning. Tell us something else for hating him if you are not a very old conservative stuck in the past!!!!

Posted by: pauline | May 19, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm a republican and I think voters of both parties wil be voting against someone rather than voting FOR someone.

08 Presidential candidates are weak.

A candidate needs to talk about American exceptionalism.

We are the greatest country. Politics & power screw the world. Our form of government was a great step in governmental evolution based on the fact that man is not the greatest power, the end-all of existence. Don't judge our founding with 20th century blinders. Slavery, Greed, Malice, Injustice existed on this planet before our founding. Look how far we've come in a little over 230+ years.

It takes a balance of power, two strong parties and an ever vigilant electorate.

That being said.

Government run healthcare will be a disaster.

Canadians will no longer have a fallback system.

No new drugs will be created for our Medicare benefit.

Immigration policies, procedures & enforcement are woefully inadequate.

Why apply when you can jump the fence & get free healthcare & education without legalization?

Posted by: Jobee | May 19, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Robert I totally agree. Clinton supporters act so entitled, like HIllary should just have been annointed. The truth is, she ran an incredibly stupid campaign, so sure of her victory that she ignored the caucus and the small state and now has her hope hinged on Mich and Fla being absolved for breaking rules that she supported until events changed. If all these supporters who claim its Hillary or nothing are going to get nothing and they deserve it for being so rigid and so selfrighteous that they forget politics is the art of compromise, not absolutes. Finally they all say I will vote for McCain, but they know nothing of his policies or his plans, especially for the judiciary. They can stay home if they like, but a vote for McCain if one was supposed to be so keen on Hillary would be a vote against self-interests. Are they that stupid? Angry we know, but stupid?

Posted by: nclwtk | May 19, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why Hillary's supporters like to think she is the victim of the party, the media, and Obama. She lost the pledge delegates, and the popular votes, and because of those, the superdelegates turned to Obama. If she had won both of them, then here would have been a different story. Losing game is difficult, but if you can not take the loss, then you should not be a part of this cruel political game. Please just don't victimlize Hillary. She is a fighter, and she likes fighting. She could fight as fierecely as if not more than any male politians. Myabe this is another double standard, a woman's standard that you should fight but can not lose because otherwise you are the victim. I am a woman, and I don't buy this.

Posted by: Kathy J. | May 19, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I write this as a forty-nine (49) year old MALE, BORN - BREED - RAISED - SAVED - STAUNCH - SOUTHERN - CHRISTIAN - DEMOCRAT.

The Electoral College for
2008 General Election

STATES THAT HAVE VOTE BOTH
PARTIES SINCE 1980
PRIMARY RESULTS
 Iowa 7 BO
 New Hampshire 4 HC
 Nevada 5 HC
 Florida 27 HC
 Arkansas 6 HC
 Colorado 9 BO
 Missouri 11 BO
 New Mexico 5 HC
 Tennessee 11 HC
 Louisiana 9 BO
 Ohio 20 HC
West Virginia 5 HC
Kentucky 8 HC

REPUBLICAN STATES 184
DEMOCRATIC STATES 224

SWING STATES
Hillary Rodham Clinton 91
Barack Obama 36

THE DEMOCRATIC CAN NOT WIN WITH
Barack Obama IN NOVEMBER.


Barack Obama WINS POPULAR VOTE
MCCAIN WINS ELECTION!!!!!

Posted by: FLORIDA DEMOCRAT | May 19, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I think it's safe to say that the effectiveness of this board has been rendered pretty much useless by those Republicans pretending to be disgruntled Democrats.

It's obvious to anyone that this is what's happening here and typical of the sort of tactics that have been used by the GOP over the last eight years...

Just vote with your gut knowing that a vote for McCain will really be another four years of Bush. No one (not even Republicans) wants that.

America does need change. Obama will bring change and regardless of your opinion of him, how can he screw things up worse than Bush?

Posted by: pxmusanet | May 19, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Surprise! Surprise! It turns out that we are all Africans. Like Obama! Even Clinton!
Surprise! Surprise! It turns out that we are all Africans. Like Obama! Even Clinton!
Surprise! Surprise! It turns out that we are all Africans. Like Obama! Even Clinton!
Surprise! Surprise! It turns out that we are all Africans. Like Obama! Even Clinton!
Surprise! Surprise! It turns out that we are all Africans. Like Obama! Even Clinton!
Check for yourselves @ nationalgeograpic.com

Posted by: Adam & Eve | May 19, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

As the last nail in the Hillary Clinton coffin and a crowning act of Obama political genius, Obama plans to nominate Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg as VP. At the same time, the Kennedy machine will once and for all crush the carpet bagging Clinton's effort at building a political dynasty in New York. Soon forgotten, the Clintons will have to latch onto an Al Sharpton rally to create the illusion of drawing a crowd.

The high school drop out wing of the Democrat party, thusfar firmly in the Hillary camp, will abandon bigotry, flocking entranced and prostrate before Obama and Caroline, to bask worshipfully in the glow of their betters. Hillary-supporting feminists will abandon pantsuits and and butch attire for designer knock-offs and Italian shoes, eagerly aping Caroline and, by default, Michelle. Pictures of Barack playing touch football on a Cape Ccd lawn will appear in the press. The Kennedy hoard will find a couple of months gainful employment, pleasantly relieving the tedium of waiting for the next trust fund check, campaigning for the ticket across the country. McCain will tremble and fall.

Thus the fractious Democrats will unify, once again strongly emerging triumphant as the party of the working man. Uncorrupted by politics, blessed with a remarkably good mind, and above Clintonian pettiness, Caroline will prove a remarkably fine Vice President.

Posted by: Liquidity | May 19, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If you don t want to vote for Barack Hussein Obama, don't vote for him but stop with your pathetic excuses . Nobody ask you to vote for this guy.

Posted by: bryan | May 19, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Col.Khajawhall, you were on a roll there for awhile, until, you said you were supporting Sen. Obama. What you need to do is find Monica's soiled dress and analyze it. Then let us knew if Monica was a swallower or a spitter.

Posted by: spotswood | May 19, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I think it's safe to say that the effectiveness of this board has been rendered pretty much useless by those Republicans pretending to be disgruntled Democrats.

It's obvious to anyone that this is what's happening here and typical of the sort of tactics that have been used by the GOP over the last eight years...

Just vote with your gut knowing that a vote for McCain will really be another four years of Bush. No one (not even Republicans) wants that.

America does need change. Obama will bring change and regardless of your opinion of him, how can he screw things up worse than Bush?

Posted by: pxmusanet | May 19, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary folks, I understand your frustration, but if you want to be angry at a man, be angry at Bill, not Obama. If Bill could have resisted Monica Lewinsky, Hillary would be well positioned to take over from Gore right now, we never would have invaded Iraq, etc.

Bill, not Obama, injected race in this campaign in a way that I as a white southerner found offensive and he sent me to the Obama camp.

Hillary, not Obama or the media, hired and supervised a feuding campaign staff with conflicts of interest that ran out of money despite raising over $100M and issued five examples of her foreign policy experience which were unimpressive and 2 of which were misrepresented at a tiem when credibility was her weakpoint


Do Democratic feminists REALLY want McBush appointing federal judges for the next 4 years.

Posted by: Doublepops | May 19, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

To dharper, below:

Well said and exactly right!

Posted by: C.R. | May 19, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's supporters treat the upcoming election as if it were third grade softball; if they can't make the rules, nobody can play. All these cleaver woman who say they will vote for Mcain, or write in Hillary's name can thank themselves when Mcain appoints TWO Supreme Court justices and abortion rights disappear, when health coverage is a thing of the past, when we lose another 4000 boys in the middle east, when virtually no one except the rich will be able to afford a home; all because another democrat had the audacity to assume that Hillary did not have a God given right to run America.

Posted by: robert | May 19, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I know Senator Clinton said we would come together. I cannot agree with that. I am a lifelong democrat who will not vote for Senator Obama because of the way Senator Clinton has been treated by the party. Many of us are going to vote for Senator McCain. She never stood a chance with the media and with the party. I have never voted for a republican.

Posted by: kt | May 19, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Imagine how it will be if Hillary supporters are seen/polled pushing McBush over the top.

You think there will be a Clinton machine in 2012?

Get a grip folks.

Posted by: Mr Judgment | May 19, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. What is this talk of "no real democrat would vote for a republican?" Have we really hit rock bottom --- where people vote their party instead of with their heads? I don't care who you vote for, but it scares me to think that some people have political allegiances so deep that they don't even at least entertain the idea of the other candidates.

I'm a republican. I believe in personal responsibility. And your responsibility is to vote as an american first --- party second. Both Hillary and Obama are wonderful candidates, and I truly can't understand the tone of so many of these messages. Personally, I want hillary to stay in as long as possible --- just as I wish the republican race was still going on. It's an amazing opportunity to learn more about these candidates and, if people don't fall in to the pits of fanaticism, it will be great for the country. And, if people do, then, well.... it's a shame... and it's our own fault as a populace not Cinton's or Obama'.

I'd also like to say that I will be proud to vote for Clinton, Obama, or McCain. I think they are all good candidates, and I have yet to decide which I would prefer. A lot of it might even come down to their choices for VP. What I do know, is that I will want as much information as possible before deciding.

A last note to those who feel like Obama "dissed" Clinton by going after McCain. Why shouldn't he? Shouldn't Clinton? We need a dialogue. We need to analyze and critique these people until we have a real solid base for a decision... not just a remote gut-feeling. This is not supposed to be a nice process, and so long as it remains as truthful as possible, more information and prodding can't do anything but help us make the right decision for our country. In this election, the problem isn't the candidates (they're all pretty fantastic), the problem is that we, as a people, don't have our eyes on the ball. We don't take our responsibility seriously. This is not a sporting event. We don't get any kind of "cred" for picking the winning horse. But we will benefit immensely by picking the right candidate.

Sorry for rambling, but I needed to say that.

Posted by: huh | May 19, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse


Imagine how it will be if Hillary supporters are push McBush over the top.

You think there will be a Clinton machine in 2012?

Get a grip folks.

Posted by: Mr Judgment | May 19, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The media and race and outright jealousy for the Clintons will make healing extremely difficult after a nominee has been chosen by the democratic party. Media has all through the campaign, shown favoritism for Obama and blacks have biiten the finger that fed them. The superdelegates have no strong reason to support Obama except that another Clinton winning means a Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. Democratic party failed to realised that Jeb Bush could have been running this time if his brother George has not screwed up things. For all those that think Hillary is desperate, have they ever thought that if she wants this so badly, that she could run in November under a different platform. Democrats are no winners at all.

Posted by: Anyi | May 19, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I am an American who lives in Australia and over the course of time have become disinterested in American politics. Most especially with the shenanigans of the last two administrations. (Yes, both Clinton and Bush). Neither did any good for America's "image" (what ever that is) internationally. And neither did any real good for the American people.

I am not here to vilify any candidate. I am not here to say this guy is better than this woman (heaven forbid I call her a gal). I have never been a racist nor a chauvinist. I was taught better by parents who saw the good in people and encouraged me to be the same. I review the merits of the man or woman - not what they wear or how they dance.

The caustic nature of the political "supporters" of any candidate is amplified by the media's desire to create sensationalism where there does not need to be any. In the long run what we all want is to be in peace and feel safe in our own homes. And to be able to afford to keep our homes.

I want to know the real issues. I could care less if someone wears a flag pin or not. I could care less what someone did 20 or 30 years ago. Or what their preacher said. BUT I do care about leadership, accountability, responsibility and integrity.

Public vetting is usually based upon someone's private agenda. No matter the cause there will always be someone who will find the black hole the pour the light. I research to learn what the man or woman behind the mask is all about. Some things make me shake my head in wonder.

I respected Hillary Clinton for a long time - most especially since I read her book. And felt it was my responsibility to give her a fair go. I read about her stand on issues and how she responded to questions on many topics. BUT I cannot support her Republican tactics in this primary process.

I listened to the impassioned arguments of Barack Obama and was moved to read his works, and write and ponder my personal passion of patriotism. Then I looked at who he is and who gives him guidance and it is the same people who guide the "leaders" of either party.

Then I read voting records and service of each of these two candidates and decided that both were experienced AND inexperienced. Both were far more qualified than Lincoln and I feel he was the finest President this country has ever had.

I served in Vietnam - twice. Air Sea Rescue. If I had to do it all over again, I am not sure I would. It was a pointless war designed to make a few men very wealthy. As is the current conflicts. Both!

This country has the most advanced military technology that has even been developed in history and yet we can not find a man hiding in a cave? We have yet to hold anyone truly accountable for our generations Pearl Harbour!

The current President doesn't see it as important anymore. And his presumably chosen successor just want to keep things as they are. And then I read and researched him and his wife and I KNEW they were not even on my long list - much less short list.

Our country is in a serious place - economically, spiritually, educationally, physically (health issues) and internationally and all the bloggers care about is who did not wear a pin!!!

My goodness people... do you not care about the Constitution? Or is it a worthless old piece of paper to you, too? Do you realise what Executive Orders have been signed in the last 16 years? Do you care? As long as March Madness and The Super Bowl are on TV!

I predict that McCain will be elected - not because he is the best man but because he is the best puppet. He can be trained on the spot to say the "right" thing.

Hillary is too ego invested to be the President. Obama is too green.


The only qualified individual to truly lead this country out of the black hole we are in is Ron Paul - but no one has paid attention because he is not a part of the insiders.

So, unfortunately, it truly does not matter who you vote for you will still get the Amero and there will still be wiretaps and you will lose any rights you have left because you have been hoodwinked again.

Cheers.

Posted by: MizuInOz | May 19, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Memorandum of Understanding

To: DNC Members
From: Informed Democrats
Re: Understanding of Florida Primary Rule Violations
Date: Today

Dear Governor Dean & Esteemed DNC Members,

STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING: As an informed Democrat, I am seeking to understand when will, we, Democratic voters see true equity in the Democratic Presidential Primary race?

RULES OF UNDERSTANDING: According to the rules of the Florida Democratic Presidential Primary, agreed to by all Democratic Presidential Primary candidates, no Democratic candidate was to advertise in Florida prior to the Florida primary.

FACTS OF UNDERSTANDING: Senator Barack Obama purchased national cable advertising and advertised HEAVILY in the State of Florida prior to the January presidential primary.

REQUEST OF OUTCOME BASED ON UNDERSTANDING: When will Senator Barack Obama and his campaign receive written (and publicized) notification he is; therefore, disqualified from receiving ANY of the delegates he and his campaign are seeking when Florida is ultimately seated, based on he and his campaign's failure to follow DNC rules?

EQUITY IN UNDERSTANDING: As a lifelong, Informed Democrat I know and understand you and the esteemed members of the DNC will do everything in your power to make an equitable decision in this matter, with liberty and justice for all.

THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING INFORMED DEMOCRATS REQUEST:
Thank you in advance for the time and attention you and the esteemed members of the DNC have and will give to this matter, because we know you and the members, hold that all men and women are related equal in DNC decision-making. Right?

Democratically Yours,

Informed Democrat

Posted by: Informed Democrat | May 19, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I never heard anyone but the press talk about the division in the Democratic party until reading these blogs. After the final votes are counted and the press stops shoving the "division of the Democratic Party" in our face, Democrats like myself will only care about not having another Republican in the White House. McCain over either Hilary or Obama? Come now. Remember what President Bush said:
"It is time to set aside the old partisain bickering and finger-pointing and name-calling that comes from freeing parents to make different choices for their children".
Bush's statement about "Parental Empowerment in Education"; Washington, D.C.; 04/12/2001.
:)

Posted by: Patti | May 19, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

This is what you get when your political system is an institutionalized oligarchy...

Posted by: ImpiousOne | May 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Re: COL. [retd] A.M. Khajawall's list:

That's a very good list! I'm going to use it and write in Dr. Ron Paul's name come this election if Dr. Chuck Baldwin's name isn't offered in my state. Have to vote my conscience, no matter what.

Posted by: sgtaylor5 | May 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The main issue I have with Obama is rarely alluded to in these posts:

He simply has no background for the daunting job of President, United States, either in terms of having been an effective legislator or of having led a major organization (except his own presidential campaign, if he can be said to have led that).

His career as a state legislator was undistinguished; such a job would hardly qualify one for the presidency even if one's performance was superb.

He won his Senate primary against a damaged-goods opponent, and lucked into the Senate when he drew the raving, carpetbagging Alan Keyes as his GOP opponent.

Nor has he established a track record in his minimal time in the Senate: Instead, he has devoted his efforts to his race for the presidency almost since the moment he took office.

All that makes his long relationship with the Rev. Wright, a man whose church magazine gave its top award to Louis Farrakhan-- and Obama's tendentious efforts to explain away the connection -- strictly a secondary cause for concern, though still a real one.

An utter lack of demonstrable qualifications remains the main reason why I cannot vote for the man, eloquent though he undisputably is.

Posted by: Missing the Key Point | May 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I'm not into parties, and voting in that manner. I vote for the person I like best regardless of party affiliation.

I listen, carefully, and I choose from what I hear who I think the best person for the job is.

That being said, I am not voting for either McCain or Obama come Feb. I do wish Clinton was going to be on the ballot, but I don't think she will be, shrug.

I admire her tenacity if nothing else, the fact that she just doesn't quit even when public opinion indicates she should. I think she'd be a good President, if she ever got the chance.

As for Barack Obama I have been listening, and I don't see much in the way of anything of substance there. I see a lot of arrogance at times, I see some barely hidden racism, and I see a politician who's just as into playing the game as any other, but who has somehow convinced himself that he's doing otherwise.

Barack Obama won't save this country and if you think thay he will be any different than any other politician that's been in that office before him than think again.

He's a snake oil salesman, pedaling the same old thing. He's just using a mantra of "change" to do it.

Unfortunately it's looking like he's going to have his shot. I suppose he's marginally better than McCain, but IMHO, not by much.

Take your eyes off the side show and LOOK to his record for the office he's in NOW. There's your answer about how good a President he will be.

See anything worth voting for?

I don't and I won't be voting for the guy unless he can convince me between now and Election Day that he's actually done something WORTH casting a vote for him.

I don't know who I will be voting for, honestly, I'll just have to wait and see what my options are in terms of independent candidates, I guess. But I won't vote for Barack Obama just because he's the "lesser of two evils" as it were. I couldn't respect myself later if I did.

I don't care who the most popular candidate is. I have to vote my conscience and pick the one who I think can DO the job.

That's not Obama.

Not at this time, in this place.

I'll be listening, till Election Day, but if he wants MY vote, well, he's going to have to work a LOT harder to get it, that's all I have to say.

Posted by: Alex | May 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

As a "former Democrat" that extends to the 1936 election of FDR I can state, without reservation, that the Democrat Party has left me and my family, we have not left them.

As much as we would like to dismiss the obvious this is about race and gender. All one has to do is review the "so-called polls" and the breakdown of the voters. Blacks vote 90-93% for Obama and 60-70% of women vote for Clinton.

The Democrat Party is in a shambles of their own making and are destroying themselves by their ultra-left leaning constituency. Moderate and/or fiscally conservative Democrats have been left on the sideline with absolutely no representation. The Democrat Party is no longer democratic and is being dictated to by a fringe group that will only continue to do so unless saner heads prevail. For this election I sincerely believe they have forfeited it to the Republicans once again.

Posted by: dharper | May 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I can t believe what I am reading....Are you sure you democrats????? I do not thin obama supporters would say they will vote for Mc cain is he faily loses the nomination. But you guys to say that you vote for Mcain only because this guy is winning .why not blame your candidate ? Obama is not stealing the nomination he is winning . Hillary is not . Why are you so bitter? The rules are the rules. Now if you are a feminist or a natural just bitter person that is your problem. Open you eyes and start blaming your feminism Icone for the campaign she run. Stop posting stupid stuff like this guy is racist because of his pastor of because of his supporters. I really do think THE MORE A DEMOCRAT IS STUPID THE MORE HE THINKS OBAMA IS STEALING THIS NOMINATION.

Posted by: bryan | May 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Vote Obama.... YAY FOR SOCIALISM!

Posted by: Dick | May 19, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

How about the real, substantive issues?

Hillary's campaign took a sudden and huge dive because she started focusing on divisive nonsense, and most Americans respond poorly to and are not fooled by the next generation of Swift Boater types. Right now, voters are hyper-aware of candidates veering intentionally from the real issues.

The "political advisers" who know how only to copy out of Rove's playbook are their own worst enemies. Football teams frequently change plays for a reason.

On the real issues that affect our country, McCain is to the right of Bush (very worrisome). I used to be a fan, though not a supporter of McCain, until I learned that he helped push though the bill that allows water-boarding, and he wants to bomb-bomb-bomb...bomb-bomb Iran. Anyone who even resembles Bush is wrong for this country. McCain's thinking is out-dated and based on fear. Sure, McCain has lots of experience - but he is experienced mostly at making bad decisions. Time to turn the page. Vote Obama.

Posted by: Brian | May 19, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Internet blogs can not be considered a good measure of truth.
People are free to say what ever they want.
Including McCain supporters posing as Clinton supports.
Most Obama supports would vote for Hillary come November because she is closer on the issues than McCain is.

Posted by: Steven James | May 19, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
Clinton supporters are very, very childish!
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Posted by: Adam & Eve | May 19, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Stop the nonsense. Hillary tried. Bill tried. Obama is only half-white. We know what McCain offers. Obama is not bad and he will get my vote.

Posted by: DenisR | May 19, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Remember, people -- on the internet, no-one knows you're a dog. You can't draw *any* conclusions based on anonymous comments.

Woof, woof!

Posted by: doggie | May 19, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I can not understand why Hillary continues to run even though there is no way she can win. She is ultimately dividing the party and in an election year where the democratic party should easily win after 8 years of disastrous Republican Rule. Democrats keep doing what democrats do best - Running a race while shooting themselves in the foot. The DNC should do a better job of coordinating the party.

Posted by: David | May 19, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I am appalled that anyone could honestly believe that McCain would be better than Obama. It is dangerous to think that "with a majority of Democrats in Congress, McCain can't do much harm" as one person said.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the kind of thinking that led Democrats and Independents to vote against John Kerry and for Nader. They knew that Nader had no chance at all, so they knew that they were giving the race to bush.

Think for just a moment where those four years have led us. Think about the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis who died in those four years alone -- babies, pregnant women, grandparents,young men and old who had no political agenda. Think about how much of our tax money is down the drain forever and how huge the national debt is after huge surpluses in 2000. Think about the lies we swallowed from bush and condoleeza and tricky dicky, bald-faced lies. Think about going to war for oil and paying over $3.75/gal for gasoline.

I hope to high heaven that the comments posted here for McCain are indeed just from unethical republicans.

Posted by: Annie Oak | May 19, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

If Ron Paul is still in the running up for president by the time all of this is said and done, I will vote for him, perhaps even writing his name in. This isn't about being black, female or really really old. This is about someone who can put this country back on its feet and stand up for the constitution. I am concerned with both Obama and Clinton (McCain is obvious) that all of these candidates will take the power and relish in it, versus doing the difficult thing, and putting country first.

I am a democrat and these are the things I care about:
Getting us out of the war
Reversing the decision (thanks to Bill C.) to allow media to merge
Reversing cross-over of media print and radio ownership
Getting the Justices in the Supreme Court that will support civil rights, womens' rights, and legalize marijuana

As for healthcare-- we need to reverse the massive cuts to Medicare and Medicaid that the Republicans AND Democrats are doing right now.

As for the BAILOUTS-- government needs to cool its jets and not provide wellfare for the rich. THIS is NOT their job.

We need to restore the three branches of government and make them ALL transparent and accountable for their decisions and votes.

Finally--we need to IGNORE the spin doctors that are appearing right now who are trying to make Bush seem "not so bad". He is awful awful awful and anyone who replaces him is better than he and his administration.

Posted by: Moneythegame | May 19, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Why has the press insisted that voters choose this year's candidate based on race or gender? Why can't Obama and Clinton be the candidate they are without being the black or female candidate? Anyone who votes for either of them based on how they've been categorized by the media really isn't smart enough to vote. They're called issues. Vote on the issues, not because he's black, or she's a woman. Those are simply side bars.

Posted by: JCC | May 19, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain won't be that bad?!!

Women, think about whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court! Do you *really* want to give up the right to choose?

For the rest of you, do you want to get out of Iraq ASAP, or hang around to see if we can "win" (anyone remember Viet Nam?). Do you want a serious a national healthcare plan? Do you want to *not* roll back tax cuts for the most wealthy?

Do you *really* want a President who will have only one term, or be 80 years old when he leaves office? Sorry to play the age card, but 80? Let give that one some *serious* thought, please.

Someone was going to lose in this primary run. Whatever happened to good sportsmanship, and being a graceful loser?

History tells us that this should be an easy win for the Democrats:

1) bad economy
2) opposition party has been in 8+ years
3) very unpopular opposition President

Democrats unite! We need this win, now more than ever.

--George

Posted by: George John | May 19, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

v racer said "those who appreciate our world leading health care system will turn away" from voting for Obama.

HUH?

Hopefully that was said tongue in cheek.

What "world leading health care system" do we have in this country?

A huge percentage of our American citizens have no health care whatsoever, and a large percentage have inadequate health care at an astronomical cost.

Our health care system is approaching that of a third world nation.

Both Clinton and Obama are trying to address this growing catastrophe, and their plans are somewhat similar. So the above statement is completely inane.

Posted by: Booterup | May 19, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Friday evening I joined a group of fifty volunteers holding signs for Hillary Clinton on the sidewalk outside her campaign office in Louisville. Many people for Hillary drove by and beeped their horns and waved and smiled. The Obama supporters who drove by mostly flicked me the finger, yelled obscenities and one woman even screamed at the top of her lungs how Hillary was finished, I was a stupid A hole, and she used the F word about five times. There were also children standing there holding Hillary signs. Children had to hear this garbage. I should add that the people who were shouting the obscenities were all white. Many African Americans showed their support for Hillary, but the ones for Obama were extremely polite. I am shocked at how Obama's white supporters are so ANGRY and VULGAR. I feel as though I have been raped and beaten. I will vote for McCain, if Hillary is not the Dem nominee.

Posted by: Charlene | May 19, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh, by the way! I watched an interesting program on public television late last night. It was about this scientist who goes all over the world to trace the history of Human Beings through their DNA. Well! Surprise! Surprise! It turns out that we are all Africans. Some of us knew that, most of you probably didn't! Hey COUSIN, LET A BROTHER LIVE! (GOD, I LOVE SAYING THAT!)

Posted by: harveybarnes2317 | May 19, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I think the distressing thing about this election is how everyone is voting "against" candidates and nominees and not "for" anyone. Ie, "I won't vote for X because he/she is/said Y." We need to look at all the cadidates and what they stand for and see if that aligns with your own character and morality.

It is pretty obvious that these "choices" presented towards us are not as great as we hoped, but we need to be optimistic and look at what they can offer us. Remember, we are in control and they are fighting for our support.

Posted by: Jon | May 19, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

No person who would call themselves a Democrat would vote for John McCain, the notion that with a Dem controlled house/senate that McCain 'couldn't do much harm' is ridiculous, Bush showed us that.

Posted by: Koronin | May 19, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I believe that both Hillary and Obama have
very personal agenda when it comes to this
election, my concern is the agenda is so
self indulged they will not represent this
country the way it needs to be. Im appauled the way these so called "Reverns" have talked about Obamas parents and he has not defended them to these people,if he let these people talk this way about family what would he do to other foriegn leaders regarding the people of this country. The scandals in the past that have been so embarssing for the country from the Clinton admin will only be compounded if Hillary wins, she does not have the composure or the class that a president should have... it is a train wreck waiting to happen !!!


no vote here !!

Posted by: LLa | May 19, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

These comments are prime examples of why we are in such desperate times, smells like republicans taking more cheap shots just as they did spreading those made up emails saying Obama is a Muslim. Ask yourself why is McSame campaign in money trouble when his wife is worth over 200 million, but you would vote for him to unite the country and he can't even get a loan from his loving wife.

Posted by: Inplanesight | May 19, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I neither want to persuade or instruct, but after reading all these comments, I just want to pass on one observation. Most of you seem to think that your opinion is the only one that counts. You do not give the other person credit for making an informed decision if it does not agree with you. You even go so far as to hint at a conspiracy rather than accept the fact that even people of the same political party could disagree.

I have found myself walking down that path on occasion and when I see it in print, I'm appalled at our arrogance. Let's have some respect for each other and agree to disagree. Supreme arrogance is thinking our own opinion is the only right one.


Posted by: NeanaBear | May 19, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

One of the problems with the Internet is you can say anything you want on a message board and nobody has a chance to assess whether you are credible or serious. Sowing dissent in the ranks of your opponents is a well used strategy. It is certainly happening in this campaign.

However, I think the media jumps the gun when they talk about party unity during the primary season. By necessity the Obama and Clinton camps are at odds with one another. The Clinton camp is losing so they are getting more strident in their statements of opposition to Obama. Once they have some time to think about the general election many people will soften their stance and vote their self interest.

I hated Joe Liebermann ever since he stabbed Clinton on the back during the impeachment scandal, but I voted for him as Gore's VP. John Kerry was among my least favorite Democratic candidates last time around, but I eagerly voted for him against a second term for George W Bush. I'm no big fan of Clinton's, but were she to be the nominee she would be far preferable to a third Bush term with McCain at the helm.

Posted by: fletc3her | May 19, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Write in Ron Paul

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

To those who are upset about Obama taking away the chance for a woman to be president, think about what you are saying. Should Obama have stepped aside? Do you want a woman to win because a man decides to give her the victory? Or do you want for her to be respected as an adversary, and for her to fight a good fight? She proved that a woman can be a viable candidate, and other female candidates will come along in the future. Now that she has lost, all that matters is who is the best remaining candidate. For most people who agreed with Hilary's viewpoints, the closest choice has to be Obama.

Posted by: Bill | May 19, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

OMG OMG OMG OPERATION CHAOS AAAAAAHHHHHHH WE ARE DOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!

Wow I have heard enough of such crying....seriously. GO somewhere else and cry. If you didn't know, the states where republicans can vote for democrats in the primary are the same states where democrats can vote for republicans...
Rush is just taking advantage of the system. And anyway, it is hardly making an influence. The dems are eating each apart like vultures and the scrap of meat that is left will not be able to stand up against McCain...even though this should be a super easy year for the Dems to win considering the unpopularity of the President, economic unrest, ect.

Posted by: conspiracy | May 19, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

rush limbough has no influnece over anything who is going to believe a crack head and draft dodger that he is

Posted by: bib bob | May 19, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I am, have been, and will be an Obama supporter. I have done what I can to assist him win the White house.. if Clinton had won I would not be happy but I would have still voted for her for the good of the Party.
McCain wants to appoint judges to the supreme court that are expected to overthrow the most fundamental womans right. The right to choose. I suggest that you swallow a little pride and don`t be too vindictive. Obama has run a very respectable campaign against Hillary Clinton and She has said that she will work her heart out for him if he wins. Her followers should folow her lead.

Posted by: eSPO | May 19, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

wawouu

Posted by: kelly | May 19, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Please oh please. The fact that Sen. Clinton is a woman has actually helped her get to this point. She is not the best speaker and she does not appear completely trust worthy to most democrats, not all, but apparently most. She also appears divisive at times. She ran a good campaign but it was shady at times. And she can't play by the rules (FL and Mich). If she was a man she would've lost earlier in the campaign. A woman can and will be president one day, but not this one.

We must get together and vote for Obama and stop the republicans from doing more damage to the US. They are not fiscally responsible. They took a zero deficit to skyrocketing levels. They lied to us and took us to war. McCain will be 4 more years of the same ol' BS. Vote 4 Obama - a true Democrat.

Posted by: Jim J. | May 19, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The Demacrate SO FAR LEFT (and dump media)
has only promoted "The Emperor''s New Clothes"

One see the clothes.
One see the color.
One see the body.

Posted by: jy2008 | May 19, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

let me simplify it for Clinton supporters.
if you are happy with the direction this country is going.. don't vote for obama.... if you aren't, then vote for him.

Listen to what Hillary is saying about supporting him. If she can get over it.. So can you...unless you really don't care about issues. If that's the case your commitment to this country is as weak as your arguments against him.

Posted by: dr j | May 19, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

anna_rc_1999, I agree with your assesment of the democratic party. Why not call it the "Socialist Party" which it has become and quite trying to disguise it.

Posted by: Carl | May 19, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama ran a good campaign. Hillary's was not as good. I am not sure why she is still attacking Obama, but getting people to vote has to be a good thing, right? I mean, if all the Democrats are energized and engaged, there seems little chance of a Republican victory. Maybe Clinton can get into a position where she can help relieve the problems this nation is facing. Just please, keep Bill out of the White House and away from the interns.

Posted by: Joshua | May 19, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

This has been a very disturbing race, and it will just get worse. Both democratic candidates have shown themselves as they really are. No amount of kiss and make up will change my view of them I now have "electile dysfunction." I am unable to become aroused over either of them.

Posted by: saddenedbyitall | May 19, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I take issue with the elitist commnet by Clinton supporters that "Why can't Obama supports ewee what we see in him" or "They have been seduced"

Please...spare us. we have read the books, and followed this election and this man form over a year ago. we are the informed voters, not you. we talk about issues and leadership, not you. all you have is rhetoric. RHETORIC!

Posted by: Jason | May 19, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Poor losers? I think so.

Every comment I read posted some absurd, radical opinion which is far from truth. I would encourage everybody to reexamine their negative beliefs about Obama so that they don't make the stupid choice of voting for McCain in November based on some childish, illogical spite.

This is because voting for McCain over Obama would be RADICAL by any measure in my book. This is especially true if these voters originally supported Clinton, considering on many issues the two candidates are pretty much identical.

Posted by: RyanG | May 19, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"v racer" is part of OpChaos. Ignore him, he posts under a few other names, but those of us who are true Dems and happen to know a bit about motorcycle racing recognize the similarities in the names (v racer = svrider, etc. look back, you'll see them)His posts are always highly inflammatory and divisive and ALWAYS pro-Hillary.

Nice try guy. McCain's gonna lose cause the Dems are gonna work it out.

Posted by: self sycophant | May 19, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

It was neither the media nor Obama who forced Clinton to put Penn, Wolfson and Ickes in charge of her campaign, despite ample evidence that they were creating serious divisions within the campaign and were planning poorly to deal with the reality of the politics on the ground.

Neither the media nor Obama prevented Clinton from having a Plan B in the event she didn't clinch the nomination on Super Tuesday.

Neither the media nor Obama prevented Clinton from competing in the next 11 elections after Super Tuesday. It was CLINTON and her campaign staff who didn't plan beyond February 5th and spent almost $110 million on the handful of states leading up to, and including Super Tuesday.

Clinton lost the campaign because of poor staff, poor planning, more fiscal management and a host of other almost amateur errors that baffle me even to this day.

I don't know how she managed to throw away her overwhelming advantages of name recognition, enormous fundraising ability, political savvy, and years of experience running political campaigns. But she did.

That is not Obama's fault. That is not the media's fault. That is Hillary's fault. If her supporters are not adult enough to recognize this, then of course they'll vote Republican in the fall. They'll fit right in with those voters who elected George W. Bush. Twice.

Posted by: windrider | May 19, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase AJ Muste: There is no way to victory, victory is the way.

Democrats have more in common together than with the non-independant dogma machine lining up behind McCain.

Vote to win. Win with your vote.

Posted by: David Smith | May 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I wish someone would talk about giving us a real investigation into 9-11 and the collapse of the towers (especially wtc 7) so that we can all get some closure on the matter.

Posted by: Bob | May 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Now is not the time to be saying Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama. Wait until September when there's been some campaigning a maybe a debate. The Hillary supporters will come around eventually, they just don't know it yet.

Posted by: Bill | May 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters = unhinged sore losers
Clinton supporters = "old school" fear voters
Clinton supporters = buyers remorse
Clinton supporters = some racists
Clinton supporters = bitter women
Clinton supporters = thought they were entitled
Clinton supporters = didn't count on GRASS ROOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: King | May 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody take any of these comments seriously? I made the mistake of reading some of them. It's continually disheartening to see how uninformed and quite stupid Americans are and how much they like to hear themselves blather - expressing strong opinions based on misinformation or no information whatsoever. Those Hillary supporters who would vote for McCain rather than Obama haven't the capacity for rational thought nor the ability to see the point of no return the world is rapidly approaching. In their narrow little minds, they're more interested in vengeance than in opening themselves up to the possibility that the world and America might just be in a better place without a Republican in office! Pity the fool (to quote Mr. T). But remember that you give up your right to complain with a vote for McCain!

Posted by: Kim A. | May 19, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you folks are out of control.

I wanted Christopher Dodd, Bill Richardson, and in third place was Barak Obama.

Now that I support Barak Obama, I get these incredulous Hilary supporters telling me I'm "seduced"?

Obama is GOOD. I'm pleased to vote for him in November when I have voted third party since 1996 out of disappointment with the Democrats' choice.

Black candidates have steadily run for the democratic presidential nomination since 1984. One finally makes it to the big game and women's libbers are bent out of shape because they barely miss the mark on their second try since 1972???

You could make a fine vinaigrette out of grapes this sour. There WILL be a female president. Just not Hilary. This is NOT a tragedy.

My nightmare scenario is that this stupid animosity will replay itself for many elections to come, women and blacks each taking umbrage at a lack of support regardless of the worthiness of the candidates involved.

If spite should be given so much value, a pox on both your houses, I say.

Posted by: hardly uninformed | May 19, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama, shobama. Clinton, shminton. I voted for Hillary in the primary because after all she's done and been through over the years she would make a great president. She's lost, though, and I'll vote for Obama in the general election. The similarities between their positions are high because they are both Democrats, and they both seek the Democratic base; McCain has given up his independence to seek the Republican base, and he can be trusted to stick with that base. Can someone who so passionately wanted Hillary to succeed "hate" Obama so much that they can vote for a continuation of Bush? Is it possible to trust that congress, which can change hands every 2 years, can stymie a continuation of Bush policies? Unbelievable. The divisions in the Democratic party will end with the choice of a candidate, and everyone who believed in their primary candidate needs to make the ultimate Democratic candidate their candidate. Otherwise, you're not voting politics, you're voting fantasy.

Posted by: grego | May 19, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

All "I'll vote Republic for the first time ever" posts are pathetic attempts by GOP to win since they can't win on merits. Ever.

Posted by: Orly | May 19, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Many say Obama transcends race. Apparently, Hillary does not transcend gender. What we need is a president who transcends any categorization and wins on the merits of what they stand for. I think we have that in Senator Obama.

Posted by: anna hecht | May 19, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

If people (in this case it was a woman) think McCain can't do much harm with a democratic congress, think again please. What will happen when McCain picks a supreme court nominee that helps overturn Roe v. Wade.

Posted by: justoneguy | May 19, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Clintonistas = dopeheads uniformed democrats!
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Posted by: Monica | May 19, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

My first vote was for JFK, and I have NEVER voted for a Republican. This year I will proudly wear a 'Democrat for McCain' button (I predict there will be a large demand for these - 20 years of Rev. Wright and the disenfranchisment of Florida and Michigan is much too much).

Posted by: C.R. | May 19, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Sandyinsandiego, only pathetic trolls will do write in Hillary. For the good of the nation, our future, and our children, intelligent people will be voting for Barack Obama in November.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Sexist women want the woman to win. Racist whites would rather vote for white woman than the black man. Clinton has inflated her "experience" for which she has little to show. She has used fearmongering to gain support. She has misrepresented her involvement in FMLA and plenty other bills she had nothing to do with. She pumps up this "sniper fire" story to look tough forgetting there were news cameras there to show the truth. She is proud to have the undereducated white racist vote. She is a prominent member of the Senate's most fundamentalist religious group. I have yet to meet a person who had an actual good reason for voting for Hillary Clinton. Are these people even Democrats? Are they even progressives? Do they care about anything other than having either a Clinton or a woman in the white house? Obama is a uniter. He recognizes all sides and brings them to the table. He is in-tune with the 21st century's technology issues and offers 21st century solutions to 21st century problem instead of Clinton's recycling of failed 1980s and 1990s policies. He seeks to bring the world together instead of perpetuating the Cold-War mentality of always having to have some country or some culture to hate, to snub, to exclude. Enough exclusion. This is the 21st Century, not the 1990s. Narrow and feeble minds need not apply.

Posted by: Zeke | May 19, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

With the facistic precedents that have been set by Bush's imperial administratiion without Pelosi doing anything about it ("impeachment is off the table") I worry about a McCain, or for that matter any future president in that office.

Posted by: Frank | May 19, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Obama, but I will be glad to vote for Hillary, either as Prez or Vice-Prez. I don't trust the anti-Hillary or anti-Obama postings by those who claim to be Dems.

Posted by: joe lindley | May 19, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Any Clinton supporter who says he or she will vote for McCain is being very childish. John McCain fights for and represents the Bush policies that Hillary has fought so hard her entire life against. She and Barack have virtually identical positions on all of the major issues with the exception of the Iraq War which Obama had the judgment and intelligence to be against from the beginning.

Posted by: Gary Mialocq | May 19, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

News Flash! The world has changed and whether you like it or not it will continue to change. People who continue to stick their heads in the sand will continue to be manipulated by others, (like the republican party), through their own fear of change. Frankly it doesn't make a difference whether you are a racist or not, it doesn't make a difference whether you are a republican or democrat or not, self preservation should tell you that this country under its present leadership is going to H.E.L.L. in a hand basket! John McCain and Hillary Clinton represent everything that has gone wrong in this country in the past 20 years. You might not like it but that is the truth! They do not represent the future of this nation they protect the vested interests in this nation! If you feel that outrageous corporate profits, outrageous corporate salaries, poor or no health care for the everyone other than the wealthy and those fortunate enough to have high paying jobs, loss of pensions or no pensions for the middle and lower classes, an increasing retirement age (remember when it was 59 !/2?), shrinking social security benefits, and a multi trillion dollar debt left to our children and or children's children is the right way to continue to go then keep right on talking about whether Obama is black enough or white enough, or whether he is christian enough or muslim enough, or whether he wears a flag pin or not. Go right ahead and vote for the same people who got you into this hole! The whole world is taking advantage of America because of the idiotic policies of the Republican Party and the manipulations of the powerful in Washington. Every great idea we have ever come up with has been used by other nations to our disadvantage and the best thing you idiots can talk about is flag pins, Reverend Wright and Obama's father was a Muslim. This country is in trouble period! Our gas is going to five dollars and the Arabs are paying less than $0.75, Meanwhile AMERICAN companies are making massive profits off of Americans. You idiots are looking for Muslims hiding behind a rock or under a bush while the real enemy is us!! We the people have let the government destroy everything that is good an wonderful about this country and you want to vote to keep those very same people in office. Idiots! Let me say it again idiots!

Posted by: harveybarnes2317 | May 19, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Write in HILLARY CLINTON for president in November.

Posted by: SandyinSanDiego | May 19, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I was never a Hillary fan until Obama came upon the scene. He is far too left wing for an old Democrat like me. And his wife, Michele, is too much to take. She will cost him the general election -- too abrasive, too obnoxious, etc, etc.

Posted by: Jim | May 19, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

You GOP posters are really bad at acting like liberals. It is funny that you think they talk like that. You've lived in your 1950's conservative bastion too long. time to come to reality. Time to vote for Obama.

Posted by: King | May 19, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I always vote Dem. I can't vote for Obama, I just don't trust the man. I will be voting for McCain even if Hillary gets behind Obama.

Posted by: Gene_FL | May 19, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I have three words for women planning to vote for McCain: Roe V Wade

Posted by: sentient being | May 19, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous comments as a litmus test? Please WAPO, get real. I take issue with the ego of some posters...making commnet based entirely on speculation...it is sad really.

Posted by: Jason | May 19, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Limbaugh's "operation chaos" isn't to foment disarray in the Democratic Party, but to make sure Republicans don't have to face Barack Obama in the fall. It only makes good sense for Republicans, once they've chosen their own nominee, to pick the nominee of their opposition, too. The GOP pick for an opponent is Hillary Clinton.
Sterling Greenwood
Aspen Free Press

Posted by: Sterling Greenwood | May 19, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe women will not vote for Obama if Clinton does not secure the nomination. I don't think these women are that dumb. Nice try McCain.

Posted by: Sharon | May 19, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters = S O U R G R A P E S!
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Posted by: matt_aly | May 19, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree with me (the handle not myself, although obviously I agree with myself): I think most of the online ranting is by paid-for supporters of the GOP trying to stir up as much crap as possible. They're not supporters of Clinton; they're paid-for GOP troll ops. True Clinton supporters that are Dems know what's at stake this election, and by November, once they're reminded of McCain's plans for Iraq, Iran, the economy and the Supreme Court, will vote firmly Dem.

Posted by: SenorPlaid | May 19, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The only trickery on this site are the postings from the seemingly liberal. I believe they are GOP plants intending to make liberals look like fools. It worked, clever GOP.

Posted by: v racer | May 19, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Many Hillary lovers will reject Obama in retaliation for his squashing the woman's campaign, many whites will reject him knowing he is a black cut from the Wright mold, Hispanics will think twice about electing a black as they battle them in their declining neighborhoods, patriotic Americans who are concerned about his policy of appeasement will circle the wagons for McCain, GOP voters will come out in droves to stop this liberal, those who appreciate our world leading health care system will turn away, successful Americans who know how our economic engine works will say no, those who reject global warming will vote GOP, and so it goes. That leaves rock concert dope heads, the totally uniformed, yellow dog democrats, blame America first and hate America libs, to vote for him. He'll carry 5 states, if he's lucky.

Posted by: v racer | May 19, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

It may be just me, but it seems that the anti-Obama feelings are very over-the-top.

He has somehow been morphed into everyone's bogeyman. If you are a woman, he represents every misogynist you have ever met. If you are a conservative, he is a marxist. If you are a bigot, he is a black power racist. If you are a flag-waver, he hates all that is good in America. He is simultaneously a gay, anti-gay rights, ultra-liberal, marxist, radical islamist who hates America, is an arrogant, foolish, elitist populist who only wants to destroy America, enrich blacks and the poor, destroy the working class, destroy Israel and complete the worldwide Caliphate where Al Qaeda will enslave us. I am sure I missed a few, but believe me, more posters will add some before the day is out.

People just need to stop hyperventilating, listen and watch him and make their own decision on whether to support him or not.

Posted by: steve boyington | May 19, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

America, was build by all races. Hillary was living with the past assumptions that amongst all races, only Irish-Scotish has the "god" givin right to rule. Well there are some new "good news" god has changed the rules. If you are a slave and work hard, you can win your freedom, if you work hard as free man you can lead. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: AJ Alves | May 19, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

These comments can't be from Limbaugh supporters. They're too intelligent. Limbaugh doesn't want Hillary in the White House because it will be payback time. Remember all his comments about Chelsea being ugly and Clinton being a murderer? What a nut.

Posted by: art12 | May 19, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

half of the comments are probably from WP staff. its the wrong conclusion to draw from such meaningless information. i have proof.

realperson2345 wrote "you suck doug...honestly"

Posted by: me2 | May 19, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters need to stop blaming Obama for the ills of their candidate. The people you should be blaming is the Clinton campaign staff and Bill Clinton. Why? Because they all underestimated Obama. You need to blame them for running a poor campaign. You need to blame them for underhanded tatics. You need to blame them for underestimating the American voting block. Finally, you need to blame for being cocky. For some one like Obama with hardly any name recognition to defeat the Clinton machine is truly a reflection on the campaign itself. If you Clinton supporters take an honest look in the mirror and stop thinking of yourselves maybe you can come to the realization that as Democrats we need you!

Posted by: James | May 19, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I think Obama is just as much a "politician" as Clinton is, but at least Clinton doesn't hypocritically claim to be anything other than herself. If Obama is the party's choice, then I will renounce my Democratic Party membership, and I'll be voting for Ralph Nader.

Posted by: Nick | May 19, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I supported Obama until I realized his veiled and hollow messages of hope were nothing but a typical politician. What makes Obama dangerous and untrustworthy, in my opinon, is that he has no record and is a one way idealist. He wants to clean up campaigning, politics, etc, but he turns around an has his "campaign" use the same tactics. At this point I'm all for Hillary and will either not vote or support McCain if Obama becomes the nominee.

Posted by: Alan | May 19, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

No real Democrat will vote for a Republican after the mess they are leaving the US in at this point. If they do, they deserve everything they get for the next four years. I still believe we have the best of both worlds having to strong candidates.

Posted by: sjhart | May 19, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Dear Fellow Americans,

Our Great-grand Nation, the United States of America
is facing and will face very critical and substantial
"Challenges" in coming, months, years, and decades to
come.

It is very essential that we pick out our next
President keeping in mind the following criteria.


1. A candidate who has a clear and candid " Vision
and Mission" for our Nation.

2. A candidate with " Strong Character and Stable
Integrity" in-spite of adversity during primary
election process.

3. A candidate with sound and sustained
"Presidential Temperament" and
" Judgment".

4. A candidate with little "Washington exposure"
and "real connectedness with people and future
generation".

5. A candidate who "Inspires us up" rather than
"Tears us Down".

6. A candidate not based on sexism,
racism,regionalism,and ageism.

In my professional, political and personal opinion,
the only candidate who meets the all above
characteristics and has shown constant and consistent
coolness, calmness, and connectedness { PRESIDENTIAL
TEMPERAMENT } is Senator Barrack Obama.

As an independent registered voter since 1980. I voted
for Carter, voted for Reagan, voted for First Bush,
and second Bush in 2000 and In the process last
interest in Washington politics and I
stopped voting. Getting disinterested and disgusted in
our political process and stopping voting that was a
bad decision in any circumstance, particularly under
present circumstances.

This time we can not afford to stay on side lines and
let "Washington" stay the same.We can not afford our
Greatgreat Nation to become less than what we are,
what we were and what we can be?

We need to send clear, careful and candid message to
the world and some time 24 hour partisan hateful media
to set the agenda for our future.

These partisan media outlets are trying to deprive,
dupe, and derail us and our Nation getting it right
this time.

These partisan media and pundits are trying their best
to deny us better future and continue focus our
weaknesses and generate bitter future for us and our
Greatgrand Nation. { Our Greatgrand Nations people
are persistently and constantly subjected to this
Psychological Terrorism" without our knowledge. The
common and regular people do not have time to see
thru
and sort thru this psychological terrorism perpetuated
by these partisan media outlets.

We the Americans should not and would not to allow
these partisan media outlets psychologically
terrorized, traumatized and silence us this time and
any time in future.

I am sure that we will get it right this
time and elect Senator Obama our next President.

Let us remember that our Greatgrand is constituted of
family, friends,fellowships, faith, funds,foundation,
fun, and future with fairness and freedom and without
fear or favor.

We can not afford to lose any of above. Let us stand
up, be counted, save, build our Greatgrand Nation for
centuries to come and regain our world economic,
moral, and power status back.

God Bless our Great grand Nation and its diverse
people.

Our Greatgrand nation needs present and future
stability, security, safety,sustained progress and
restoration of our due status in this perilous Global
World at the all levels.

Yours sincerely,

COL.[retd] A.M.Khajawall M.D.
Forensic Psychiatrist.
Disables American Veteran.
Las Vegas Nevada.
Cell: 951-505-6975

Posted by: COL. [retd] A.M. Khajawall | May 19, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Comments online on a site that requires no registration means little. Even with registration it isn't hard for one person to get dozens of handles using multiple email addresses so they can skew what public opinion looks like.

There is some real ill-will between supporters of Obama and Hillary but there are also a lot of people trying to encourage such ill-will and on most sites a majority of those saying they are Democrats who would vote for Republican if their candidate of choice does not win are Republicans who would not have voted for either Democratic candidate no matter what.

Posted by: me | May 19, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

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