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McClellan, Bush and the Press

The Bush Administration still has about eight months to go, but the first big former insidertell-all book is out and our Readers Who Comment are all over it. Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary who spent an enormous amount of time at the podium defending Bush and the war in Iraq, says it was sold to Americans with a sophisticated "political propaganda campaign" led by the president, aimed at "manipulating sources of public opinion" and "downplaying the major reason for going to war," Michael Shear reports.

This provides the ammunition our RWC need to replay two themes that have consistently been part of what they have had to say about both the current administration and Iraq:
1) Bush should be impeached.
2) The press, including The Washington Post, didn't do its job in questioning the need for the war before it was started.

Comments also suggest that there's no news here, we've known this for a long time, and that McClellan is just trying to make money. It's a cynical and angry group this morning, and there are few comments defending Bush or the war.

We'll start with DLN1, who said, "This only confirms what many of us know...that the Bush administration destroyed a country then occupied it while lying to its own citizens."

UrbanEndeavors asked, "Can we impeach now...?"

And mcdermott99 said, "The Washington press corps should be sat down in a room with the door locked, made to wear dunce caps, and to listen as McClellan's book is read to them over and over again..."

pkiel provided the one comment I could find supporting the Bush administration in writing, "This 2-bit Jerk wants to make a couple of bucks at the expense of his former employee! Why the hell can't anyone remember 9-11. What a bunch of short-sighted sheep! Washington Post will print whatever suit them!"

pundito tried sarcasm, writing, "I'm shocked, shocked!"

And slim2 suggested, "He [McClellan] is either hyping a little sensationalism to peddle his book or else was an eyewitness to criminal activity. I suspect the latter."

RegisUrgel said, "Not much we did not know about the Bush administration. What is scary is how the press treated this entire period... The same kind of thing happened in other dark periods in our history... I am sorry, and scared, it hasn't learned."

ih82blog asked, "So, Scott, what took you so long? Criticizing the Bush Administration at this point is like shooting lame ducks in a barrel (and getting paid for it)."

And stikyfingas added, "McClellan, kinda late now... Same goes for all the Bush Administration lackeys not one of them resigned and told the truth; they all left, waited a year then made money off a book deal."

SpinningPlates said, "The NYTimes and Post can all go to hell. Its just unbelievable that nobody called shenanagins on this administration a long time ago. Our "Liberal Media" sucks. They got duped and are just as much to blame as bush."

tydicea wrote, "I think by now the whole world knows the truth behind the premise for going to war with Iraq, and the deceptions and stupidity of employed by this president and his cohorts. Nonetheless, it is refreshing to see someone of the inner circle come clean, because neither Bush and present company have neither the courage nor the moral fiber to do so."

infuse said, "...What's nice is that McClellan corroborated the information, but it is not news."

bkaufmann wrote, "These lies killed half a million people."

12345leavemealone said, "The truly sad thing is that even if Bush admitted fault some people would still believe that he told the truth."

protagoras wrote, "Looks like the protesters and the dissidents were spot on. Too bad the press hasn't admire them as much as it admires those unnamed sources...."

We'll close with CJackson36, wrote:
I don't know what kind of advance McClellan got for this book, but I'm not buying a copy. I'm sick of people who lie to us while being paid with our tax dollars then getting a hefty advance to tell us they were deceived. If McClellan had come clean sooner, he might have spared us a second term of Bush &Co.

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By Doug Feaver  |  May 28, 2008; 9:00 AM ET
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Heather, I can assure you that there is evidence out there proving that this administration repeatedly lied and violated laws to push their agendas. Unfortunately, the majority of this evidence will never be available to the general public. Therefore, all we have to go on are the testimonies of those who worked under the administration; those who are not still working for them (and still lying), will most likely confirm what McClellan has said.

You want the truth? Apparently you can't handle the truth. When Bush said there were WMD's in Iraq, I assume you believed him. Without so much as a shred of evidence. Funny how some seem to think it is okay to start a war without documented proof of the reasons -- yet it is "inappropriate" for someone to write a book without possessing hard evidence? The man worked for the administration for years. Don't you think he probably has some knowledge of what actually went on behind closed doors? I am nowhere close to Washington, and even I can see that the administration clearly stretched the truth in order to make their case for war.

I'm curious to see this foreign intelligence that you speak of. As I recall, the UN concluded that it did NOT have enough evidence of WMD's to invade Iraq. I do believe the rest of the world had all agreed NOT to invade. Yet Bush and his cronies did anyway, in spite of credible intelligence indicating that there were no WMD's. Nevermind the fact that mere possession of WMD's is not a good justification for invasion anyhow. FACT: the U.S. military possesses countless weapons of mass destruction. I suppose you're going to call me a liar and ask me for proof. Sorry, I don't have proof, but we all know (or at least 99% of us know) that it's true. Same goes for McClellan's claims (though apparently 1/4 of the population chooses to keep the wool over their eyes even now).

We all know now that the premises used for going to war were "incorrect". I would say that they were "lies", but of course I cannot "prove" that intentional lies were told. However, we all know that they were wrong. Even if other nations suspected the same, they were not the ones who invaded, now were they? Perhaps they thought it would be smart to continue to investigate until they found this "truth" and "evidence" that you seem to value so highly, before going in and killing thousands of people. The difference between their "lies" and Bush's? Bush's lead to death and mass destruction. Ironic, isn't it? I guess you don't really need weapons of mass destruction to do great damage anyway -- conventional weaponry seems to work just fine.

Of course, all you know is that to be a good conservative, you have to walk around in a circle with your hands over your ears and chant "la la la la, I'm not listening, you're wrong, Bush is a good man!" I assume of course that, as a good conservative, you are a Christian. Which means of course that you believe everything word for word that is written in the bible, whether or not there is any evidence or proof. You probably also don't believe in evolution or global warming, in spite of the fact that there is actual "proof" of these.

Some say there is no "proof" that the holocaust actually happened. Doesn't make it any less true for the millions who died, now, does it? How about the U.S. government's Tuskegee experiment? We know now that this actually happened, but at the time, I am sure there would be plenty of folks like you who would have dismissed it as liberal propaganda. "What, my government do something wrong? Never! At least not when one of God's chosen Republicans is in office!" When asked for evidence, few would be able to provide it. Why? Not because the evidence did not exist, but because the evidence was not exactly made available to the general public. Do you really think Bush & Cheney would be stupid enough to allow the general public access to documents that proved wrongdoing on their parts? Bush may be a moron, but even he's not THAT stupid.

You want evidence? Fine. Wait about 40 or 50 years. By then, historians may have pieced together enough shredded documents and gathered enough eyewitness testimony to say beyond a doubt that this administration has used lies and propaganda to push their agendas, which were achieved through manipulations of the constitution and U.S. system of checks and balances. I think at least 50% of the population already knows this, or at least suspects that something is just not quite right in the White House.

You want to wait around on the evidence? Fine. Me? I'm going the Bush route -- preemptive strike. If Bush doesn't need evidence to go to war, I certainly don't need any evidence to call him a liar and a crook. My intelligence suggests that both are true. Perhaps you need to reanalyze your own.

Of course, if it turns out that my reasons for hating this administration are wrong, I can always turn around and say that I was just trying to bring freedom and democracy to the White House. Never mind the fact that the administration has no interest whatsoever in either freedom OR democracy.

Posted by: The Truth | May 29, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

My only question is how in the heck did we spend $,$$$,$$$.$$ of dollars trying to impeach Clinton, for essentially much of nothing and Bush STILL has yet to go to trial? crazy, Crazy, CRAZY!!! WOW!!!

Posted by: TotallyConfused | May 29, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

One citizen to others,

What's the bottom line on today's discussion?

- media didn't do its job
- Supreme Court's 5-4 decision to decide election
- Bush's wishful thinking
- Congress capitulated
- Cheney's paranoia
- Powell's reputation destroyed
- Rove's politics trumps governing
- Kerry's swift-boating
- Admin loyalist feels guilty, writes book
- Rice tows the line
- Fleischer stays on message
- Public asleep

Looking at this list; which is the one thing we, the public, can change? The public hires our government. We are responsible for our government. The government answers to us.

Before the government grows so BOLD that its most powerful members believe, for the public's own good, that THEY must remain in control because: national security, defeat the evil doers, protect America's interest abroad, spread democracy, fight for freedom, avoid embarrassment of a failed war, face war crimes, release innocent prisoners from Gitmo, lose spin control, face HISTORY.

If you THINK this could happen in America, please VOTE. If you THINK this could never happen in America, please VOTE anyway.

Now is a good time to get involved. Now is a good time to STAY involved.

WE the PEOPLE of the USA...VOTE!

Posted by: chinney | May 29, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I find this all amusing. When someone says that a member of the Bush administration does not "tell the truth".

What is "the truth" these days? It seems if someone attacks Bush in a speech or a book, that automatically makes anything that person says for some "the truth".

It seems many have a world view for whatever reason, then "the truth" is anything that fits that world view. Proof, documentation and evidence are no longer required!

To someone who does not like Bush, only an attacks on Bush can be "the truth". So anyone who does attack Bush, has got to be totally truthful.

This is why when some makes a negative comment regarding Bush, then you ask them for anything deeper, they have nothing.

I think a great example is saying Bush lied to get us into this war; that he twisted the intelligence. But didn't France, Germany, Russia, Israel and several other countries also make the very same statements, using their own intelligence? Did they all lie?

It seems only Bush lied. So the leaders of all these other Nations did what? They had to have also lied? But if you ask someone chanting "Bush lied, people died" they have no answer for that!

All they know is that to be a good liberal they have to walk around in a circle, carry a sign and say "Bush lied, people died".

Posted by: Heather | May 29, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

There is no doubt that McClellan's intent to sell books and make him a wealthy man. That said, much of what he says is probably true. History will be the final judge, and I do not believe it will be a kind judgment. If Congress could impeach Clinton for lying about a sex affair, what does it say for a congress that lets the Bush people get away with lies far more serious and pervasive? No one was killed because of Clinton's lies; thousands have been killed due to the Bush administration's deceptions.

Posted by: locohoya | May 29, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Someone had better put him under suicide watch because that is what usually happens to people who cross or know to much about the Bushists. I'd say more but I think James Baker is on the phone...

Posted by: Roger T | May 29, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Boycott the book.

What he says in it may be true, or it may not. I really do not care. McClellan was part and parcel of this administration. He never spoke up and he never resigned in protest. I am sick and tired of these administration officials who served this corrupt administration faithfully only to then write books about how corrupt it all was.

The saying: "Don't buy books by crooks" was a saying that came after Watergate, when those sent who were to jail for their involvement in Watergate started writing books about the Nixon White House to make money. I think the same should apply today. Anyone who served this administration faithfully and knew of its corruption but said nothing at the time should not have their books bought by good Americans. A fitting testament would be for those books to end up at the front of bookstores with big 70% off labels gathering dust.

Posted by: Fate | May 29, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Job 12:20-25
20 He silences the lips of trusted advisers
and takes away the discernment of elders.
21 He pours contempt on nobles
and disarms the mighty.
22 He reveals the deep things of darkness
and brings deep shadows into the light.
23 He makes nations great, and destroys them;
he enlarges nations, and disperses them.
24 He deprives the leaders of the earth of their reason;
he sends them wandering through a trackless waste.
25 They grope in darkness with no light;
he makes them stagger like drunkards.
(from New International Version)

Posted by: Portal | May 29, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"I'm tired of your pedantic attacks on a President who is courageous while thinking of the National Security, not his own political well-being. As Mr. Clinton had been.

Posted by: Tim DeLaMatter"

Tim, will you EVER grasp how incompetent and flawed this President is? Will you EVER admit he's a BIGGER liar than Clinton, and he's all but destroyed our country? He's not courageous, he's dangerous and prison-bound if I have my way.

A proud 18%'er who still can't grasp Bush is totally out of his depth.

Posted by: Fred Evil | May 29, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Essentially Press Secretaries are paid liars, and it's a shame that the major media outlets bother to have well-paid employees sit and listen to presentations that even Pravda in its time wouldn't have bothered reporting. It is an indictment of the American press that it hasn't simply stopped sending 'reporters' to cover these shams. The real tragedy is that many Americans even recognize the name Scott McClellan; he never should have been given access to the public airways or national press once it became obvious he was simply a 'professional dissembler'.

Posted by: tbrucia | May 29, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

What type of person would defend the current administration that wasn't on the payroll? You're excused Condy.


Impeachment wouldn't satisfy me. War crimes trial would be more appropriate. W., Cheney and Rummy should be facing the gallows, not reaping the economic benefits of their twisted policies.

To suggest Obama would be a step down is what baffles me. Pat Robertson is the only presidential canidate in recent history that wouldn't be a giant leap forward.

Posted by: phil duncan | May 29, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Just writing a book does not guarantee a nice walk to the bank. I imagine that Scott could tell you that today.

Scott is a whistle-blower. His book will become part of the first-hand evidence that is needed by historians to evaluate this presidency. Previous defections from the White House have also provided unflattering accounts.

Yes, many of us have known about the obvious shortcomings of this administration since day one. Actually a review of his governorship in Texas was enough of a preview, yet the Republican Party saddled us with this clown, the guy with the smirk and the strange shoulder movements when he attempts to speak English in coherent sentences. Scott put the icing on the cake. If you put yourself in Scott's shoes, perhaps you can understand a bit about the struggles that he has had to deal with as he has come out with this book.

Remember that this administration
(1) Went to war without basis in fact
(2) Gave us a drug bill that only the drug companies and Republicans could like after lying to us about the cost
(3) Suspended the Consitution of the United States for everything "to keep America secure"
(4) Presented privitizing Social Security as a way to save Social Security.
(5) Told us that tax rebates did not add to the national debt
(6) Trying to convince us that the run-up in oil prices has nothing to do with Iraq and our mideast policies
(7) Giving us wonderful 2% interest rates on savings accounts while the fat cats can plunder their companies and walk away with millions.
(8) Took us from a projected surplus of 1.6 trillion dollars to deficits as far as the eye can see, a runup of over 4 trillion dollars in new deficits in 7 years
(9) Never ever looks at the full spectrum of possibilities when evaluating anything - always wearing those rose-colored glasses

These are just a few.

May the whole election process not taint the one who has the best chance to bring about real change - Obama.

Posted by: Earl C | May 29, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it odd that we have the son of the former head of the CIA as president ? Isn't it odd that the former head of the CIA was also president? i wonder what the world thinks about that?


Posted by: david | May 29, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

From: Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/ah-scotty.html

Wednesday, May 28, 2008
Et Tu, Scotty?

From the Post:

Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a new memoir that the Iraq war was sold to the American people with a sophisticated "political propaganda campaign" led by President Bush and aimed at "manipulating sources of public opinion" and "downplaying the major reason for going to war."

McClellan includes the charges in a 341-page book, "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception," that delivers a harsh look at the White House and the man he served for close to a decade. He describes Bush as demonstrating a "lack of inquisitiveness," says the White House operated in "permanent campaign" mode, and admits to having been deceived by some in the president's inner circle about the leak of a CIA operative's name.

It would be utterly inconsistent to praise McClellan for his revelations, now that he needed to find something sensational from his anxiously subservient, painful-to-watch tenure as Press Secretary, which at best could only evoke sympathy for his agonized predicament. It might have helped in eliciting such praise if these revelations had emerge at some point between the end of his tenure and the beginnings of promotion for the book.

Ironically, in now falling to the likely demands of his current masters for something to add spice and sales power to an otherwise agonizing episode, one might posit that he is repeating the same pattern that occurred during his work in the Administration. Nevertheless, this is a man who has demonstrated beyond doubt his characteristic fear of censure. That he comes forward with these accusations, despite putative motive, is of considerable note.

The claims that McClellan makes have the benefit of being supported by numerous contemporary and highly confirming reports (Woodward, Suskind et al). Now, the fact that even McClellan, the truest of camp followers, endorses them, gives them an additional bottom line power--the fearful, sweaty, anxious party line stalwart, who was also among those closest to the action, now confirms what all but the most deluded now must know.

McClellan, like other Press Secretaries before him, could have downplayed, soft pedaled, or diffused these critiques--as they did, in their books, which also had sales imperatives. He does not. Instead, he emphasizes and confirms the critical through-line narrative--a war, driven and unvetted by a lack of necessary curiosity regarding likely effects on our nation, our citizens and the world; a sales campaign yoked to this poorly vetted effort in the most cynical ("one doesn't unveil new products in August") fashion, and, overall, a brutal narrowness of vision, combined with the excitedly combative anti-intellectualism, masked by a shallow pose of ideological self-certainty (i.e. half-blindness) that characterized this administration.

Now, we are seeing the counterattack, the essential message being that they are "puzzled" that this does not "seem to be the Scott" they knew.

Presumably, this "Et tu, Scotty?" translates as an attack on his unwillingness to continue to faithfully toe the party line, in the face of significant evidence to the contrary--to maintain the fantasied walls of the court dominion--a change to be welcomed.

His willingness to express, in print, Bush's tendency to convince himself of what he wanted to believe, and this Administration's embrace of secrecy is a genuinely noble and a brave act.

But, ah, Scotty. The wreckage.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/ah-scotty.html

Posted by: Emily Stewart | May 29, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Invasion of a sovereign country, torture, ignore the Geneva Conventions, deny legal representation to prisoners held for years without charges, deny habeas corpus, outing of CIA agent, firing lawyers because of the lack of devotion to administration illegal tactics, the surge, billions of dollars a week spent in a hostile Middle East, rendering, Gonzales, Rove, $4.00 gal gasoline, must I go on? Do you really believe that a book is necessary to out this administration? END THE WAR IN IRAQ.

Posted by: Jim | May 29, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I have read many comments that have been posted on this site.

First: Anyone and everyone whom is incumbent in the House of Representatives, regardless of party, VOTE OUT. The House abdicated their responsibility for not bringing Articles of Impeachment against the President and the Vice President of the United States for the crime of Treason.

Second: Vote for an Independent Candidate, one without Party Affiliation.

Third: Vote for a Third Party Candidate for the Executive.

That will shake up the powers that be.

Then call the advertisers that you see paying for advertisement space in the newspapers and on TV. Tell them that you are so impressed with being lied to by the editors of these "journals" that under no circumstance that you will purchase any products from them...

Perhaps, if enough of us do this then it may inspire some journalistic responsibility into the stenographers...ooops...reporters that we just might be able to get a shred of truth...whatever that may be because you cannot believe anything that you read in the paper these days.

We are in a hole, America...

Time to roll up our sleeves, get back to work, to take this country back from the dictators whom control us through the fear that is promoted through the press.

Posted by: Tom | May 29, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

The logic of some of the critics of McClellans'book is somewhat disturbing.

They want to attack the messenger and disregard the message.

They remind me of those who call a member of the mafia who "flips" a "rat" and disregard the information he provides.

Posted by: Bob F | May 29, 2008 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Hi-
No one yet, in this vigorous discussion that has unfortunately focused on the bearer of the message and not the message, appears to have caught what is the most significant revelation in McClellan's book. One question that has haunted debate on the war since even before its inception is 'Why did Bush go to War in Iraq?' We, the people, finally know why. Bush did it because he believed that great presidents come out of war, and he could create a transformative moment He did it for the same reason that heriditary princes had instigated wars for centuries, he did it for personal glory. He did it for the same reasom Hussein attacked Iran, Hitler attacked Russia, and Napoleon attacked everyone.
This is the fruit of the Imperial (Vice) Presidency. It is time for Congress to step up.

Posted by: doctor t | May 29, 2008 6:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to shake Scott McClellan's hand. Unfortunately,the horse is already out of the barn. But,I will give him kudos for having the B's to come out against the absolute worst administration in US history. And,every backer of Bush' lock-step ready,is "puzzled" by the allegations(most of which we have a better than average idea that are true). To all you Bush backers.......Puzzled?..........the truth is puzzling to all of you buffoons.

Posted by: walkman56 | May 29, 2008 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Where was the fourth estate? The press needs a full examination of their role and perhaps their culpability for the mess this country is in today. The old maxim applies,"Physican heal theyself"

Posted by: 1set | May 29, 2008 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Although I am happy that Scotty "Born Yesterday" McClellan has come out with his tell all book, I can't believe him completely. How can he have known Bush for so long and worked so closely with him for so so and not had a clue about his persona. To be so self-assured (actually a sign of insecurity) as to not admit any fault is a major red flag. I hate people that cannot admit to their mistakes. This is why we are still in Iraq. The people of this country have been too fixated on their plasma tv's, Humvees, and American Idol and are missing the point. Still, John McCain panders to the 20%ers who are still on war footing saying he will not give in. Give in to who? Iraq is no longer a war, we are in a quagmire just like Viet Nam. We are pouring billions by the month in there with the Halliburtons, KBRs and Blackwaters making obscene profits while our patriotic soldiers are getting blown up and killed. The people that started this enterprise should be not merely impeached but tried for treason. Won't happen though since the Congress approved Bush's use of force, they were either asleep at the wheel or too afraid to go against the grain. Remember Bush's word's: "You are either with us or against us". My mother who fled the Bolsheviks with my Grandmother many years ago said that V.I. Lenin used those same words.

Posted by: Will check it out from the library | May 29, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

I am 65 this year..I was sorry for Nixon...I thought the Viet.War would really stop the Commie threat...I was embarrassed by the boys
who fought in Nam and was so sure all draft cards should have been set to fire..I didn't have a bra except for dress-up.
I absolutely BELIEVED absolutely that thier was no difference between men and women (except of course,bodily)

I was extremely wasn't I.

So when the war began after 9/11 I began to hear familiar lanage in debates,I almost tell word for word the same for's
and against's.
I began to think the reporters looked up old
interviews
that the Administration thought they could get away
with rehashing old documents that were hidden away somewhere in the dark dusty files,
guarded by the Wizened of Oz
in the Emmeral City
(rename the white house)
so I am delighted that this life long republican did his duty
and finally got the courage to tell it the way it was(is)
Brush is a Alcoholic
I am 65 years old..
I now know that men and women are different but equal
I now know that policing the world only hurts the middle
americans it does not phase the likes of the oil barons or
corporate raiders; that we can research new energy sources
all they want and that it will do no good to the likes of us .I now know that my mother was right when I asked her the difference
(at the age of 12) between Reps & Dems
Well,she said something like this:
The Elephant can take his trunk and toss any thing he does not like way up in the air, far and away.
The Jackass will stand it's ground and kick like bill-o any thing he does not like way up in the air, far and away.
Well?said I..what?
Well, the elephant will throw away the middle class,the likes of us,...It will caress those who feed it the most by carryoing the the aristrocrates ,barrons and Lords of the world.
but, the jackass will kick and kick against the ROBBER BARRONS,thos who believe we are no better than peasents here to work and make them rich but not good enough to join there ranks
And till this day I have never seen her proved worong.

CHECK THE RECORDS PEOPLE.

Thumbs up FOR McCELLAN.. even if he took him too long to tell it as it was?? IS???

Stand up for those who stand up for what is right
Stand up for this man who is trying to warn us, tell us,teach us
You may not agree,but lets not shoot the messenger.
te ach us..
I am 65, and have been there, done that, but have learn.. maybe?! ROUND &ROUND &ROUND WE GO WERE WE STOP DON'T YOU KNOW???????????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: 0ver&Over&OVER again | May 29, 2008 5:13 AM | Report abuse

Bush makes Nixon looks like a posterboy of propriety.

Never has an individual so disgraced the office of the presidency.

Though loyalists hold out a faint hope that history will vindicate Bush, it's a hope without legs, as he stands against everything fought for in the Enlightenment which regardless of religious fantaticism within America ramains the lodestar of world opinion.

I fervently hope that there is some truth to the Christian idea of hell, because Bush deserves every torment that realm can deliver.

Posted by: Ethan Q | May 29, 2008 4:34 AM | Report abuse

Big surprise.

But don't hold your breath while waiting for Nancy 'Petain' Pelosi and the rest of the spineless congress to do something about it.

I've been abroad for the past year and a half and one thing has been made very clear to me, by many people outside of the US.

The impeachment of Cheney and Bush, before the end of their term, is the only way the US is going to regain it's standing and repair it's reputation. We need to demonstrate to the world that the US system can correct itself, when it goes horribly wrong. We need to demonstrate that a democracy is different than a banana republic or dictatorship. If we do not do this, we will be seen as being in agreement with Bush's policies and that is a stigma we will never rid ourselves of. Time is running out.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Bob's comment about Dana Perino. How does she sleep at night? It would be more honorable for her if she sold her soul to the devil.

Posted by: boxers | May 29, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can get somebody to read it to Bush. I'm sure he will not comprehend some of the big words.

Posted by: joe803 | May 29, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

One last comment to Bev.....HE'S NOT MY LEADER, never voted or supported the guy, so why should I shut up and stand behind him?

God, get a brain.

Posted by: Knew Bush sucked in 2002 | May 29, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe how many people voted this incompetant moron back into office in 2004, then started having buyer's remorse almost IMMEDIATELY, literally months after the election! Good God, where were your heads?

It was obvious to anyone with more than one brain cell and the ability to think objectively just what a disaster these people were!

And to those like Beverly who think patriotism is shutting up and "standing behind your leader" should move to a fascist country because that's the way they do it there. They are too stupid to realize we'd still be an English colony if we towed THAT line. They don't deserve to be Americans. Our founding father's are rolling in their graves.

As Ben Franklin said, Those who would give up their freedom for security deserve neither. Paraphrasing, the actual quote would confuse too many Republicans.

Posted by: Knew Bush sucked in 2002 | May 29, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

To all of those who gave the Repubs the benefit of the doubt:

Next time, please... I BEG YOU... don't.

The Republicans have given us Watergate, Iran-Contra, and this illegal war. EVERY time they get the White House, they commit crimes.

Next time, please listen to what the liberals are saying, and give it some thought. Even if the country is panicking. ESPECIALLY if the country is panicking.

Posted by: TOLD-YO-SO | May 29, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Who would buy such a conglomeration of BS. Scotty boy just keeping himself so-called real, off with his balls and make him a eunuch along with the rest of the keystone cops administration, from the top down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Bets | May 28, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hq tube | May 28, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

The saddest thing is that nothing has changed. The media STILL won't ask serious questions. John McCain gets a free pass day after day.

Posted by: The DukeStir | May 28, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Just reafirms the fact that Bush is the most dangerous man on the face of the earth. He should be removed from the white house immediatly at ANY cost.

Posted by: Tiger | May 28, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

white folks better wake up. because african americans are taking back what is theres. just like george washington carver said, the inventor of the peanut, black people will never be free until we can live in the white house.

Posted by: Lakisha | May 28, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

DANA PERINO IS SCOTT McCLELLAN IN 2006

WHAT IS THIS WOMAN TAKING TO SLEEP AT NIGHT?

Posted by: Bob | May 28, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The only people who are mad about Scott's book are the 27% who still support the moron Bush

Posted by: clyde | May 28, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Here is another former Bush aide out to make money on current anti-Bush wave. Scott McClellan had no problem helping Bush mislead America over Iraq war when he was mouthpiece of Bush White House. Now he has found conscience to cash in before lights go off in Bush White House. With high gasoline prices engineered by his former master, Scott probably needs all the money to pay for his gas guzzling humvee.

Posted by: simple simon | May 28, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"Post a Comment" made a promise that it's failing to keep. It promised: "Comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site." But a whole lot of that stuff is still here!

Posted by: Q. Kathol | May 28, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Here is another former Bush aide out to make money on current anti-Bush wave. Scott McClellan had no problem helping Bush mislead America over Iraq war when he was mouthpiece of Bush White House. Now he has found conscience to cash in before lights go off in Bush White House. With high gasoline prices engineered by his former master, Scott probably needs all the money to pay for his gas guzzling humvee.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Scott McClellan is simply verifying what many people who weren't bamboozled by Dubya &CO already knew. When logic was applied to Dubya's statements and his rationale for the Iraq war -- things didn't add up. "I am not waiting for a mushroom cloud over an American city... blah blah blah." Saddam Hussein didn't possess any ICBMs.
For a society with unlimited access to information -- Americans are very ill-informed and unbelievably gullible. They become sheep-like and put aside their critical thinking skills when a likeable and seemingly decent enough person -- like Dubya -- leads them to the proverbial slaughter.
Now with Scott McClellan trying to slap the Dubya partisans out of their sheep-like stupor with what really went on from an insider's point of view -- many are bleating in protest.

Posted by: MarcusGarvey Suwanee, GA | May 28, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Rove speaks."Wee wee wee all the way home." Piggyboy.

Posted by: ROVE WHO? | May 28, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

The saddest commentary is that the media - including the Washington Post - is making this news!
Once again, the media is being manipulated. Not by a current bushie but by a FORMER bushie who has no ethics.
Where are the ethics of THP?

Posted by: moose1 | May 28, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Fine, at least he admitts it, but what took him so long?

And why is the main stream media not up in arms?

The ashes of the slain are on your hands, but it's never too late to speak up. What are you waiting for?

Posted by: Bob | May 28, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Concur old news. Dems will play it for whatever it's worth. VP is the oil man with Halliburton in the wings, Sec State and SecDef was to lay out the playing field, NSA spreads the propaganda to the press and newsrooms, Intel communities blunder the facts and couldn't find a little ole lady on the street corner with a brown paper bag. The Fix? Welcome Homeland Security! Someone divulges the identity of a CIA agent, and discovers his boss has him take one for good ole Chimpy and the USA. History simply repeats itself... zzz zzzz zzzz

Posted by: Ed Sidney, Ohio | May 28, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember "Wag The Dog"?

Posted by: Misc | May 28, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TELL-ALL BOOK FROM A FORMER INSIDER! Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill wrote an excellent book as have General Clarke and a host of others.

Besides -- since Speaker Pelosi took impeachment off the table, what does it matter if Bush is villified in 100 different books... nothing will happen. Thanks to the Democrats for having NO SPINE!

Posted by: Stu Wilde | May 28, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

@Jeff: you read a lot into a very simple statement, which actually explains most of your post. There is too much of the kind of rhetoric in your post passing as "informed debate" in this country. You essentially say "he didn't say it but everybody knows he meant it." Really? How do they know that? White House press releases? Right wing think tank reports? There's a proven track record. How about independent assessments? Oh, they don't reach apocalyptic conclusions? That just won't do. The FACT - not assumption, not extrapolation - THE FACT is that Iran doesn't have a weapons program, so who the hell cares what Ahmawhatever says?

The term "saber-rattling" existed long before 9/11, but no one considered it justification for starting a war until this administration gained power.

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | May 28, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh how the US media are covering the "Is he telling us the truth?" angle now! But the media were never so skeptical to ask about truth when they helped this administration beat the drums of war. Back then, it was "The President makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and the media type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home."--Stephen Colbert

Back then, it would have paid to tune out US media almost entirely and rely on the international press.

Posted by: RJ Terrell | May 28, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

There some other jaw-dropping quotations from the book that have yet to be reported!:

* "George W. Bush wouldn't have gotten to where he is if he hadn't had a famous father."
* "George W. was never a top-notch soldier."
* "Dana Perino? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer."
* "The well-being of the average American is not at the top of Dick Cheney's list of concerns."
* "It's quite possible that George W. Bush will not ultimately rank as one of the our top thirty presidents."
* "Despite what some people have said, President Bush did not want black people to die in New Orleans. However, he did hope they would not relocate to any areas of Texas that he likes to frequent."

More of the article here: http://www.236.com/news/2008/05/28/mcclellan_shocker_more_revelat_6791.php

Posted by: eliana | May 28, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I think Scott McClellan did a brave thing something most of the cowards who posted here don't know anything about. Look, he was not qualified to be press secretary in the first place. The Machiavellian bunch (Chaney, Rove, Libby, Rumsfeld, Chaney) wanted a youngster they could manipulate around their lies. McClellan doesn't owe Bush et al squat regarding loyalty. They used him and then spit him out. Every one of these clowns is being invesitgated for something. He's OK with me. As we say in the hood, "God Don't Like Ugly!"

Posted by: John P | May 28, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

the right is angry because it demonstrates their dysfunction and moral blindness. the whole thing looks a bit like a pulp fiction account where the bad guys turn against each other in the end. re mclellan's turn, better late than never.

Posted by: "2 bit jerk" | May 28, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Are there any citations or documentations that support any of McClellan's OPINIONS so far or are they being bought just as one would buy a pig in a poke?

Remember "Rathergate" anyone?

Posted by: zqll | May 28, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree with wow, and I thank well_looky_here.

I'm really curious how Bush, the Bushies and all his supporters imagine their final judgement before their Maker will go. How in creation will they defend what they've done to His Earth and His people ? I imagine they'll all be spending the great eternity with Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Joseph Stalin, and of course, OBL.

By the way, don't bother telling me about His forgiveness. You don't earn forgiveness without repentance, something W would have learned from just about any 12 step program (did he ever go through recovery ?). For a sin of this magnitude, it's going to take much more than private repentance to be absolved.

Posted by: wow 2 | May 28, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record, Ahmadinejad never said that. It was a mistranslation that has gone through the media echo chamber enough to reach deafening proportions. See here for details: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4527

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | May 28, 2008 3:04 PM

Are you implying that he did not mean what was ultimately mistranslated? Do you really think he meant that the then current president, PM, etc. should be removed from office and then let Israel go along it's merry way. Is that what you think he meant by this "regime occupying Jerusalem"?

Considering his stance on the Israel and it's "Zionists" in general and the further excerpts from other interviews shown further down this linked page, his intention is seeminly pretty obvious: To remove the State of Israel from the land it currently occupies and allow the Palestinians to have the land. Which is what "wiping Israel off the map" quite literally means. I don't think that "Regime" means current administration and "Jerusalem" means Israel. It seems more likely that "Regime" was meant to imply the State of Israel itself and "Jerusalem" to be THEIR holy land, on which noone but themselves are allowed to walk.

Also, does "vanish from the page of time" somehow sound like a better option than wiping something of a map. It is at the very least equally as sinister, and in my opinion far more. It implies complete and total removal from the world and it's memory.

While it is true that this translation that the IRNA made may not be literally correct, it is in the spirit of the intention, spot on.

Posted by: Jeff | May 28, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Pursue George W. Bush beyond January 20th until he is brought to justice.


Direct Democracy

Posted by: Saddam Shuffle | May 28, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Elizabeth: they've gone to the Democratic Party.

Posted by: mobedda | May 28, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I can top that.

Posted by: wow | May 28, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

After reading some of these postings...I wonder where the adults have gone.

Posted by: Elizabeth | May 28, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

We are the dumbest of all the developed countries.

We voted an idiot for president the first time.

We let terrorists who killed 3 thousand of us to scare us to the bone and we lost our wits about it long after the disaster.

We were duped to allow the Iraq war.

We allowed tax cuts for the richest under the premise that the poor will benefit.

We allowed this administration to shift the power of control to the big corporations.

We live on borrowed money, ever increasing our national debt without any thought of the effect it will have on our children's future.

We drive gas guzzlers without being aware of the scarcity of the fuel we use.

We think we are the chosen ones, entitled the world's resources and we'll do anything to protect them.

We re-elected this idiot as president again.

We continue to think only for our pockets and our status without any empathy for our fellow Americans.

We continue to think only for our own benefit and not as citizens of the world.

We don't learn from history and repeat mistakes. (Vietnam-Iraq)

We refuse any responsibility for our actions.

We deserve what we get.


Posted by: well_looky_here | May 28, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Of course I'm just kidding. I too can't wait for all those Neo-Cons to finally get out of Dodge.

Posted by: Mike | May 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, you did a good thing revealing what went on in the White House when parents of so many young Americans were weeping for their young ones dying in Iraq.
It was very good to do this but the timing was wrong indeed. Having sensed that something sinister was going on behind the walls it was patriotically immoral to put a brave and solemn face and deliver the news to the press. It definitely was unethical to stand on the White House podium and announce 'all was well and orderly' when you had suspions galore.
Courageous are those who left the White House when the cooking pot gave out a bad smell.Yet,thanks for opening the eyes of us all.
Now, make sure the published book is available in Dollar Stores assuring all readers that you have no plans to get rich by this revealation.

Posted by: Mohan Kokatnur | May 28, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing what a limited talent and out of work mediocre communicator in his forties with ultra liberal parents will do for a few bucks. He never talked to anyone before about how strongly he disagreed. Yes, he'll collect his 30 pieces of silver and go live with his ultra liberal mommy back in Texas.
But, after all the feathers settle from the exited WP parrots and people focus on who is actually running for president, the Democrats will be stuck with the Empty Suit Obama, and all of his gross inexperience, his unsavory connections with the bomber Ayers, highly questionable land deal with his felonious friend Rezco, his 20 year relationship with the hate mongering spiritual adviser who obviously effected his ingrate wife, calling babies just a burden, his elitism in belittling the suburbanites and rural Americans and the damage that an ultra liberal will do to the economic engines of our country along with his many gaffes showing his empty suit status and will surely steal Dan Quail's place as a history and political doofus. Add to this, his family stories that are frequently proven wrong and you have a real empty suit kook. These will be brought up in the general election whether McCain sanctions it or not.

Posted by: Mike | May 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Roz, you give new meaning to the phrase, "Dumb and Dumber".

Open your eyes and see what's going on lady.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Either McClellan is a pathological liar, or, Rove. ONE of them must be exposed , and made to suffer the SEVEREST penalties.

Posted by: Donald Frossel | May 28, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Great...now we can give some money to this hypocritical punk to read about something we knew all along.
Somebody check to see if McClellan's testicles have actually descended and if so... send him to boot camp and then to Bagdad for two years....and MAYBE then I might be interested in reading a sentance or two from him.

Posted by: aussiebones | May 28, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

If President Bush would have told the American people "all the facts" before starting a war with Iraq then would the American people have made the right decision which was clearly to NOT attack ? I think so.

If any of you have not seen or don't remember the movie "Three Days of the Condor" then I suggest watching at least the last 15 minutes of the movie. Especially the part where Robert Redford's character asks a CIA agent if the agency had "asked the American people" whether they would have approved a CIA plot to take over middle east oil fields.

The movie is of course based on pure fiction but still presents an important lesson. I believe it was Abraham Lincoln who once said, "As long as you tell the American people the truth then the country will always be safe". The sad truth is that President Bush and his cohorts knew the American people would not back his war plans if they knew "all the facts".

So there is a lesson here to remember. If there is any goal in this world that is truly worth reaching and therefore worth fighting and dying for then it cannot be based on even a single lie - let alone the mountains of lies told by the Bush II administration !

Posted by: William Lappin | May 28, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

It is good Washington Post and NY Times are publishing this expose of their complicity in Bush's war, BUT WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ABOUT IT IN FUTURE? Are they asking tough questions now on Iran? I don't think so. Another couple of years after another million or more dead, somebody will write a book and Washington post will comment on it but not learn from it.

Posted by: Seth | May 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

McClellan deserves higher respect right now than anyone else in the world. He is risking his life for the potential good of the world. Outstanding job McClellan!

I plan on handing out free copies of this book out on the streets. JOIN ME PEOPLE!

Posted by: bro | May 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I still don't see how the 51% of voters who elected and re-elected Bush didn't see any of these failures coming.

Posted by: John C | May 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

At least one other person seems to be informed.

Posted by: To: Robert Vanderpool | May 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

So, now criticizing the President is akin to worshipping Satan? Wow! I would love to live in your world. It must be so pretty in right-wing, Christian fundamentalist world. The man is an elected official. He is not a king, he is not holier-than-thou, he is not infallible, and he most certainly is not God--at least not the God I think is presented in the Bible, Quaran, or Torah. But then for you who have an inside line on what God is thinking I must be a heathen who must burn in hell. I do so wish I could be so self-righteous and dead certain that I am right an everyone else who doesn't believe the same way I do, or vote the same way I do must be wrong. Again I say. . .wow!

Posted by: To anonymous poster at: May 28, 2008 12:07 PM | May 28, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd have more respect for the "insiders" writing these books if they'd have had their epiphanies while still in the employ of this most corrupt administration.

Posted by: morganhill | May 28, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how the comments are going against Chimpy, against Scotty, and against the White House Press Corpse.

I would add the WaPo Gestapo to that list.

Posted by: Tom3 | May 28, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

What I am hearing sofar and my comment is thanks so much. someone finally made a brave attempt to flush the toilet in the WHITE HOUSE. Good going, bravisimo!!! Mr. McClellan the facts are fair whenever they are revealed, good going. I am seriously proud to say I am an American and free speech is alive and well. You should feel better you told your story and I sense you were talking about good people in the white house and not putting geo and dick into that sentence but good real decent individuals. You did the right thing, finally. Geo will never do the right thing, some lie out of habit they get good at deception sir, you are not one of them.

Posted by: A Great Big Thank You | May 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

There now . . . aren't we all glad GOD wanted George W. Bush to be president?

Posted by: Divine Intervention | May 28, 2008 4:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Perhaps it was Allah this time around?

Posted by: rich Rosenthal | May 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Without knowing Scotty Mac (just his duller than dishwater briefings), I must say that I respect him now more than I did before. Coming from an administration in which the 11th Commandment states that Loyalty is Rewarded while Betrayal is punishable by death, his actions would appear to be courageous. Perhaps he came to Washington to change the politically poisonous culture, only to realize that his boss, who while originally well-intentioned, was coopted by the establishment. If such is the case, I tip my hat to you Scotty Mac!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Thank you rich rosenthal. You are absolutely correct. Our national security does indeed lie in energy independence.

If we had spent the 3 trillion on energy indepencence, we'd be sitting pretty and secure while Middle Eastern fundamentalist terrorists have a go at China and India who have replaced us on sacred Middle Eastern soil defending their own energy sources.

And its not all about fighting terrorism. Don't forget that Russia has already planted a flag on the floor of the Arctic to claim the potential resources there.

Friedman in the Times got it right today. Its time for leader who will tell us the dirty truth about energy independence.

Posted by: patriot | May 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

There now . . . aren't we all glad GOD wanted George W. Bush to be president?

Posted by: Divine Intervention | May 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Does PKiel have any idea the good that could have been done in the US to improve homeland (industrial, food, urban) security, education, health care, workforce productivity, infrastructure and general well being in this country if 3 trillion dollars were invested here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.....
Sure Pkiel does not.
$3 trillion ($3,000 billion or 3,000,000 million buckaroos) could have been invested in solar, wind, etc energy generation thus beginning a cascade of grid improvements, an electric vehicle industry and the revitalization of our manufacturing sector as well as a robust export of the same technology to China, India, Europe that would reduce thier imports of oil. This would sharply curtail the discretionary spending in nations that seem to mysteriously bankroll terror.
Meanwhile, in a more secure America we would become the least polluting nation, with healthier people and an improved moral standing. Reagans shining city on a hill powered by the spirit of hippies.
And we all agree to agree.

Posted by: rich Rosenthal | May 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I hate to inject partisan politics into this fray, but that VERY LAST thing we need is the continuation of ANYTHING Bush.

Give Bush a legacy? He deserves a boot!

Posted by: EthanQ | May 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

America's attention span is only a few years and it has proven that it a low tolerance for prosecuting our leaders if it preempts our TV programming for more than a few weeks. While war crimes could proceed in Europe against the torturer-in-chief, America would rather not go that route. Bush will be gone soon enough and the best remedy (revenge) would be policies of transparancy, afirmation of our Constitution and treaties and an aggressive effort to be weaned from fossil fuels and the lesser goverments that depend on the same.
Energy independence is America's security. Embracing our better angels will be our redemption.

Posted by: rich Rosenthal | May 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

SOMEONE... please nuke the white house (while Bush is in it)

Posted by: tired of the BS | May 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

What the Bush Administration did was HIGH TREASON. NANCY YOU THERE????? Lets get this guy and others in front of a Grand Jury NOW. And as for the press No deep throat ???

Posted by: Greg Tully | May 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

What planet are you people on that continue to support Bush and Co. Do you enjoy paying 4 dollars/gal. (soon to be 5-6) for gas? Do you enjoy watching the dollar continue its downward spiral? How about the rising price of food caused by lousy energy policies. It takes truly pathetic leadership to accomplish all this.

Posted by: still stunned that bush was reelcted | May 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Crime does pay, and it pays nicely.

It will provide Bush with a 200k pension. It will provide him a lifetime of secret service protection.

Kill one person and you are a murderer.

Kill thousands and you are a hero.

go figure.

Crime definately pays.


Posted by: go figure | May 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

@cole: "How is it now that his book has angered so many people when they've not even bought a copy and read the accusations?"

Because they've already been told it "stabs Bush in the back" and that's all they need to hear. Imagine the siege mentality you have to possess to still support and defend this monumental failure of a president. Now imagine that siege has just closed in a little tighter with these latest four year old "revelations". They're lashing out like cornered animals. They're trapped in an ideological corner in which they've allowed themselves to be painted. These are the end times for their delusions and there will be some trashing about before their failed worldview finally implodes and dies.

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | May 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

How is it now that his book has angered so many people when they've not even bought a copy and read the accusations? It's not been released unitl MONDAY next. At least try to show intelligence by first reading what you comment on. Oh, and have any of you ever met an Iraqi? Really? Ever met a Muslim? Ever met an Arab? Every known or been friends with anyone in the Mideast besides someone who is Jewish? Talk to them before you decide if Scott was right about Iraq and before you keep defending Bush.

Posted by: cole | May 28, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

In reply to

We'll start with DLN1, who said, "This only confirms what many of us know...that the Bush administration destroyed a country then occupied it while lying to its own citizens."

The country that the Bush administration destroyed is the United States of America.

Posted by: FooFooFoo | May 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Pkiel, along with most americans, is not rational concerning the tragic loss of over 3,000 lives on 9/11. Not to downplay this horrendous tragedy, but how come this loss of 3,000 lives warrants spending some 3 trillion dollars and the loss of over 4,000 additional american lives (not to mention tens of thousands of Iraqi lives) in revenge when there is hardly a mention of or a remotely equivalent us government program to deal with the thousands of lives lost to, for example, gang violence, drunk driving, smoking, or crystal meth and other drugs? Bush squandered US prestige, treasure and lives on a falsely justified war in Iraq. Does PKiel have any idea the good that could have been done in the US to improve homeland (industrial, food, urban) security, education, health care, workforce productivity, infrastructure and general well being in this country if 3 trillion dollars were invested here?

Posted by: Letsbeserious | May 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@patriot: "Do ya really think they put Bush up to what is tantamout to abetting the nation that has publicly prmosed to wipe them off the map?"

Just for the record, Ahmadinejad never said that. It was a mistranslation that has gone through the media echo chamber enough to reach deafening proportions. See here for details: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4527

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | May 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Lawrence - Puhleeze, think for yourself. Who benefitted most from our invasion of Iraq? duh - Iran. Which Middle Eastern nation actually could do the most to hurt Israel? duh - Iran. Israelis are bold, assertive, and sometimes aggressive in defending their national iterests. But they are not stupid. Do ya really think they put Bush up to what is tantamout to abetting the nation that has publicly prmosed to wipe them off the map?

La Wanda - "It's too bad that those in position to know what was going on, didn't speak out sooner." Do you mean Richard Clark, General Shinseki, Brent Scowcroft, Michael Scheuer, Bruce Bartlett, John DiIulio, Paul ONeill, Paul Pillar, Rand Beers, Larry Wilkerson... I could go on. The question is, when they spoke out why wasn't America listening? The evidence on this administration has always been out there for the people willing to listen to it.

Posted by: patriot | May 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

the ex press secretary is not telling the american people something we dont already know.the citizens are not as uninformed as bush thinks.he just needs to wash the windows in the white house so he can see for himself what goes on in the real world,instead of him thinking he is always right, and refusing to believe anything outside of those little voices in his head

Posted by: mad 1.2 | May 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know it was possible to hate this guy more than I already did.

Posted by: David | May 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Pilsbury Dough Boy just wants some loot. He knows the Leftwing media will trumpet the book and sales will be enhanced.

He was perhaps one of the most boring press secretaries in history having zero personality.

This book won't change the minds of people who know the history of Iraq and the West or the minds of those bent upon distorting that history.

Posted by: Jennifer | May 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Books soon to be released:


"The war I always tried to stop" by Richard Perle

"A wasteful war that caused the holes in my socks" by Paul wolfowitz

"We could have won if we bombed the UN first" - John Bolton

"Justification for war, how they put the words in the horse's mouth" by Colin Powell

"Iraq War, the one-way road to ME peace that I dreaded to drive on" by Condi Rice

"I never said what I said, I never knew what I knew" by Scooter Libby

"The Missing Emails and Documents, how they manipulated me" by Karl Rove

"The known unknown war - I am innocent, I did not know what I knew" by Donald Rumsfeld

"WMD, How Cheney hid the truth from me" by George W Bush.

"The war I opposed but was forced to support" by Dick Cheney

"911, How Saddam dragged us into Iraq" by Dick Cheney and George Bush

Posted by: Canadian | May 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I sense Doug, who found only one pro-Bush comment, didn't read all of them (who can blame him!) because deeep into them, 4 pgs from ground zero, currently on pg 53 at 1:31:07 am is a post by houstonian, who has to be the worst apologist, best defender of Bush ever to darken the RWC, so well-spoken, inoffensive, and clear yet heart-stoppingly unreasonably unfair in painstakingly drawn inferences from ordinary facts, such that even the lies Bush told came to him from Bill Clinton.

Posted by: jhbyer | May 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

In 2009 when President McCain, and Vice President Lieberman are doing their thing., I believe things will start turning around for the good.

Posted by: David | May 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

More power to the former press secy, hey its all about money, money is not everything, however, you sure cant buy anything without it, I learned earlier in my life that the only person in this world you could trust was your "Mother"

Posted by: David | May 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse


Bush wanted to be a war president.
He thought that's how you get a big legacy.

Wolfowitz was his foreign policy advisor on the transition team after the 2000 election. Bush was seen as someone easy to convince if flattered for his being a
messanger of "fate". All very calculated and...successful.

Sharon named him as his "best friend". War was inevitable by then. Very early.

Posted by: Hasty Pud | May 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Fate, you say that it was not the people of this country who are destroying it. I beg to differ with you.

Those protesters whose actions are said to give "comfort to the enemy", those "Hollywood" types who would lead us into their "immoral values", those "academic elites" who brainwash students in "Liberalism" under the guise of teaching them critical thinking...how did they separate the truth from the Bush lies? They have no superhuman powers, no X-ray vision.

The evidence was always there for all to see, but you had to go beneath the fold, to inside pages, to watch more than one TV channel, to be willing to actually think about the pablum going into the eyes and ears sufficiently to realize it stood on its head.

We the People allowed those who saw the truth to be pilloried as unpatriotic, or elitist, or immoral, or soft on terror, or Liberal, whatever the label du jour was (and is). We the People dumped bottles of French wine, burned Dixie Chick records, and turned out a few hundred (or maybe even a few thousand) people to protest, while in Europe they were turning out millions to protest. We the people accepted blindly that scientists are wrong (or worse, that they have some sort of conspiracy to mislead us) and that the "academic elites" who were widely enough read to see the evidence and sufficiently versed in critical thought to understand what it meant - were somehow untrustworthy.

Bush has not been impeached because We the People have not stormed Washington and every town square and every college campus and demanded it.

TV networks and newspapers are businesses. They are in business to make money. Rupert Murdoch is laughing at what sops we are all the way to the bank. If We the People start directing our money toward news outlets that actually do a good job, you can be sure Rupert will get the hint.

Sure, we believed Bush's lies because we were scared after 9-11 and we weren't ready, willing or able to admit that in this time of great national peril that we had an untrustworthy leader. And, to their credit, they were masters of the time honored recipe for control - keep the people scared, lie to them, and discredit the people who can see through the lies.

If We the People want our country back we have to find American courage again, stop accepting labels handed out by media and politicians, and be willing to read and think critically, even below the fold, on inside pages, and on a variety of TV channels.

I am concerned that this nation is no longer up to the challenge. Please prove me wrong.

Posted by: patriot | May 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL MY REDNECK MINIONS, I AM YOUR LORD W. HEAR MY CONFESSION NOW. I AM GUITY OF MASS MURDER AND DECEPTION. I HAVE LIED THIS COUNTRY INTO A WAR THAT HAS PROFITTED ENORMOUSLY FOR MYSELF AND MY FRIENDS. BUT DON'T WORRY ABOUT MY ME,I WILL NOT GO TO JAIL, FOR I AM ABOVE THE LAW, I AM GEORGE W. BUSH, LORD OF THE WORLD. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: GEORGE W. BUSH | May 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

dharper, blind allegiance to leaders while often a historical fact does not make it right. History will show that this Administration felt it necessary to lie to the American public to get what it wanted and while I don't like to join in on the Bush bashing parade I cannot deny my fellow Americans their right to decry what the Bush Administration did. If you want the best presentation of how the beltway media got it all wrong and how the Bush Administration manipulated everyone into this situation watch the PBS special "Buying the War". An educated American.

Posted by: Hop II | May 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse


Just a peek into what the Amerian main stream press covered up during this administration.

Why? Because the press is Jewish, owned and operated, and Israel wanted the war.

If this doesn't stop, we won't survive.

Posted by: Lawrence | May 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

It's people like Beverly and dharper that are some of the biggest problems in this country. These type of people, who seem to be absolutely blind to the truth, then go and keep repeating the same lines (lies that have been proven time and again) that come from neo-con right-wingers like Hannity, O'Riellly and Limbaugh. Peple like them that spout off opinions, but never say that they are just that, their opinions. Instead, they spout them off as if the stuff they are saying are facts, and people like the posters I mentioned, then believe them and turn around and spread the same false propoganda as facts again. After reading some of the comments left by some of the people that are still defending this administration, I have really come to believe that this country needs to give an intelligience and current events test to everybody before allowing them to be able to vote. I can also only hope that either these people have not bred, and/or if they have, then their children end up having alot higher IQ than their parents, along with the ability to think for themselves and not be sheep.

Posted by: toppcatt71 | May 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Just read Wandy O'Reilly's comment. Made me laugh out loud. Wanda, you can snatch out Pelosi's hair for all of us, too! Couldn't agree more! Cheers!

Posted by: wpreader2007 | May 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad that those in position to know what was going on, didn't speak out sooner. Perhaps they could have saved many of our men and women in uniform the guilt and anxiety they now live with as a result of government decisions. One veteran has expressed his disillusionment with government policies from a personal perspective. To learn more go to http://www.theworldsword.com/world-news.htmlf

Posted by: LaWanda | May 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Where was Congressional oversight? Where IS Congressional oversight?

Posted by: dekehound | May 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If this doesn't prove, once and for all, that the Bush administration is about lies - especially to its supporters (as unwilling to accept the truth as they are) - nothing else will.

Scottie was a HUGE part of the problem with stonewalling the media. Not since Ari Fleischer had Bush had such a willing lap dog of an associate. Dana Perino is exactly the same despicable mouthpiece.

And yes, a lot of us do have the right to be pretty damned angry about this. The dark days this nation experienced, we haven't seen the likes of since the McCarthy blacklisting era. Anyone who even thought of criticizing this administration was pilloried or labeled a treasonist. The mainstream broadcast media was cowed into silence, too terrified to put the truth in front of the American people, even though there were millions of us wanting to hear the truth. The hard questions were only asked by a handful of mainstreamers (such as the venerated Helen Thomas) or the alternative press (which millions of Americans either don't agree with, have access to, or care about).

This administration should have been impeached a long time ago, and the media should have provided the drumbeat to allow it to happen. Instead, they kept their heads down and sold out to placate conservatives and other war-hawks.

Progressives will not forget.

Posted by: wpreader2007 | May 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey Roz, get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth. Do you see the irony? Your half baked pronouncements are lies! Barack was called Barry in his childhood. I don't go by Pee Wee any more either.

Posted by: Al | May 28, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Beverly - I don't see what your point is? As a New Yorker, I was just as personally affected by 9-11 as you claim to have been. What does that have to do with Iraq? The answer - nada!

I'm so sick of people using 9-11 as an excuse to support this lying, bumbling administration and their ilk. Mr. Bush did not catch Bin Laden. He did not effectively handle Afghanistan. He has inflammed the whole middle east. And his carbon copy, McCain, is even worse because the media treat him like an untouchable just because he's a veteran of another ill-conceived war.

Wake up America!

Posted by: Allison in Manhattan | May 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | May 28, 2008 11:43 AM

What if Clinton had still been in office? Maybe if he had done something with the first attack there would not have been a second one. No one took it seriously, did they?


To the unnamed poster of this comment and everyone else who believes that President Clinton didn't do anything after the first World Trade Center bombing, the mastermind behind the first terrorist attack is sitting in prison for his crime. People must not remember the republicans screaming "no bombs for Monica" thinking that President Clinton was trying to distract the American people away from his impeachment trial for his affair with Ms. Lewinsky (sp). President Clinton tried to go after those responsible for the terrorist's attacks on U.S. interests, but was stopped by the Republican controlled congress. I do believe that Clinton could have done more to go after those responsible, but to blame him for the 9/11 attacks are off base.

My opinion is that the Bush administration wanted to go to war with Iraq before they got into office. A conservative think tank had said "we need another Pearl Harbor to be able to invade Iraq". Having watched Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, I remember one part where a gentleman was giving a speech in either 1999 or 2000, before Bush was president, telling the audience "When this was in Iraq begins, we all stand to make a lot of money." This is my opinion, so let the bashing begin.

Posted by: Robert Vanderpool | May 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

@Tim DeLaMatter: do you understand what a fallacy it is to suggest that Bush has prevented any terror attacks, considering the widespread agreement among scholars that the invasion of Iraq strengthened Al Qaeda's hand? Or considering that AQ waited 8 years between the first and second WTC attacks and is well-known for patiently biding their time? Or that the federal government itself admits we're no safer now than we were on 9/10? How's progress going on implementing the recommendations of the 9/11 commission by the way?

I guess the only way to be courageous these days is to put the military in an unwinnable situation, stop loss them so they can't get out, reduce their benefits, send them on 4 or 5 tours, extend the length of those tours while freezing the amount of down time between them, and shaft them on college opportunities when they finally manage to get out. Yeah, the American people have heard the Republican argument loud and clear, and come November you're going to know EXACTLY how they feel - rest assured.


P.S. My house keys protect me from tigers. This fact is indisputable because I have not been attacked by a single tiger in all the years I've been carrying them with me.

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | May 28, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The US elections are a process in which the people elect the leader/s. But the leaders represent the evil masters to whom they are sold out.

A multi-party democracy is the long-term solution to the ills that are afflicting the US.

In the current system both the parties are controlled by the same powers. The choice is between the devil and deep blue sea or a fool and an idiot.

In the multi-party system at least there may be one party that is not controlled by the evil powers. People will have a better choice.

Posted by: Canadian | May 28, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

For someone whose job it was to control information, Scott McClellan is not very good at it. It's encouraging that he is blowing the whistle on the Bush Administration, but his lips have been pursed for more than six months when his publisher leaked an excerpt last November.

Now, McClellan will make a lot of money from royalties and lectures, but the question arises: Why did he wait to tell the truth until it was profitable for him to do so instead of quitting his job and going public when it might have helped save lives in Iraq and disempower some of the liars he was working with?

http://ajliebling.blogspot.com

Posted by: Robert Stein | May 28, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

McClellan is a coward. Where were his morals while advocating the party line? He is no different than those generals who fail to speak-up when needed, but become suddenly moralistic when they are comfortably retired.

Posted by: pwkickice | May 28, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Of course wer're angry; it confirms what was suspected and now known.
What is amazing is what moral cowards the former Bushies are. Had any of them any integrity they would of spoken up while they wer working in the administration.

Posted by: Michael Anthony | May 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

All the damned republicans want is blood, gore, oil, money, power, subversion. They don't even attempt to give a sh*t for our youth dying for their lust of $ and power. Showers that electrocute them to death that don't get fixed and more die... poor body armor, Innocent women and children are dying over there along with our youth. Families displaced, lives torn up. No hope, no food, no shelter, safety, constant fear.

What kind of person can vote for a murdering souless piece of inhumanity that will only promise to spread his disease of hate in the name of democracy throughout the world. Is that what we have? A democracy? More like demonocracy... run by warlords. Are we free? Do you feel free? False prophets spew the word of God as easily as they spill you child's blood... have no doubt.

Jesus did not strong arm anyone into following him when he walked this earth. What makes this sociopathic Bush think that stripping away rights and limiting freedom is democracy and it should be spread to all the world under his rule?

Scott McLellen is not lying. What he is saying is not news to anyone who's been paying attention. Who cares really why he's saying it now? All that matters is, he is saying it now.

If I ever see Nancy Pelosi on the street, I will snatch her bald for taking impeachment off the table. And I will never vote for anyone who has opposed impeaching this megalomaniac and kept him in office to continue his bloody reign.

Posted by: wanda oreilly | May 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

None of us writing here had the opportunity to fight in WW2 or to do what we could for the war effort, but we have
the opportunity to at least shun Scott McCellan and his kind. There are hundreds of high, mid and low level operatives from this administration that really need to feel rejection and all that it means.

If you see McCellan walking down the street, shout out at him. If you see him in a restaurant show your disgust. This is easy, but it will cut them off from decent society and any shred of belief that we thought their actions are accepted.

No one except his own kind should sociaize with him. This is true of all the others. They knew of the corruption and kept silent while soldiers died or are
now the walking wounded.

It is the least we can do.

during the 1940s could you imagine sitting own with a dehumanized nazi soldier and pretending nothing is changed? Would you do it? then why sociaize with these specimens? there is no reason..

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | May 28, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Bin Laden promised that the USA would bankrupt itself trying to root out the Tahliban...and look where dubya has led us.

Posted by: IMAPerson | May 28, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Total war is the demand of the hour... The danger facing us is enormous. The efforts we take to meet it must be just as enormous. The time has come to remove the kid gloves and use our fists... Unnecessary concern is wholly out of place. Those who today do not understand that will thank us tomorrow on bended knees that we courageously and firmly took on the task."

- Joseph Goebbels, 18 February 1943

Posted by: Historian | May 28, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Beverly wrote: "Is there anyone posting in here someone who lost a loved one in the 9/11 attack? My husband was 1 mile away from the Pentagon and I was unable to reach him for a day. Imagine how that felt?"

A very good friend of mine worked at the Pentagon. I called her after the attack. No answer. Her child was at school with mine. Should I pick her up from school with my child? What to do? Later that evening I found out my friend was close enough to get blown out of her chair, but except a few bumps and bruises, she was fine. Beverly, you were not the only one on pins and needles that day. I also work at a government facility and no one knew whether another attack was coming or where.

This administration allowed this to happen. The warning signs were screaming red, as Tenet put it. Richard Clarke, Bush's counter terrorism chief, has just had his first meeting, not with Bush, but with Condi, after begging for a meeting to explain al Qaida, which he saw Bush ignoring as a threat. And we know a lot more about the Bush administration being alseep at the wheel as we knew somethig was coming.

It is every American's patriotic duty to stand up and say what they think, with clear conscious, about our government. Asking us to sit down and shut up is unAmerican. Its what the Iranian president tells his people to do. Its what the Chinese leaders tell their people to do. But don't ever tell an American to be quiet while lies are being told by their government and this country is brought to its knees by its own government's policies designed to enrich the politically connected and allow the middle class to whither.

Beverly also wrote: "All I know is that we have the greatest country and we, as citizens of the US are the ones destroying it. Lets take responsibility instead of throwing it all on the government. We voted them in and if we can't support them, then maybe we should keep our comments to ourselves and stop fueling a very dangerous fire."

Yes, greatest country on earth, but we the citizens have not been destroying it. The national debt did not increase 50% in the last 7 years because of the citizens. Americans did not learn about WMD in Iraq on their own. Americans did not determine the Iraq war would pay for itself on their own. When Americans see their country going in the wrong direction, it is their duty to speak, not to "keep our comments to ourselves". What a totally unAmerican thing to say. Where are you from anyway? Cuba?

Posted by: Fate | May 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that you gutless, feeble, cowardly and craven, fearful white men, so desperate for power you willingly send out the the youth of our nation to fight your wars for profit you souless bastards, yet hide behind your bunkers of money and deny me my right to post my opinion in your goddam effin monopoly paper???

Everything Scott McClellin said is true, you know it. Hell, everyone knows it. By hiding the truth and having your "journalist" puppets divert, amuse, distort, lie, and drone does not dilute or distill it one iota. You rat bastards... the worm is turning... the truth will come out. You have no problem living with your filth and slime, but you don't want the world to see it???? Guess what? - Every one already sees it. We are NOT the chattel you assume us to be - YOU are the fools. YOU are the dupes.

Posted by: wanda oreilly | May 28, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Our corporate media has failed us, and continues to do so every single day. Thank goodness for English language newspapers from outside the US - that are on the internet - without them I would be as dumb as our corporate media appears to be.

Posted by: Susan | May 28, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Scott McLellan didn't provide any news to anyone who's posting here. Of that, I am dead certain. The so-called journalists were for a change, entertaining, in that their feigned affront at being called lackeys proves that not only are they not journalists, they also cannot act.

Posted by: wanda oreilly | May 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

My my, some live in a very dichotomous world -because CNN is not on the extreme right does not make it 'liberal.'

I would suggest reviewing the rules of logic -even a cursory glance would be better than nothing. But then blind belief in ideology fueled by propaganda (apparently VERY effective propaganda judging from some of these posts) will always trump reason.

Posted by: Commedia del Arte | May 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The great thing this book does is chip away at the stubborn base who cling to the notion that the administration acted in the best interest of the country.

There is nothing new in this book, but it is important to hear it from many sources. The wall of impenetrability will come down slowly and cautiously, and there are armies of lawyers funded by think tanks and world bodies who are waiting to unwind events and build the case for war crimes and treason.

It is vital to have a good deal of public support for the charges to be brought. We know, and the world knows that the actions of this administration cannot go unpunished. It can never be allowed to happen again. They will be very lucky if the trials stay here in the states.

All those soldiers who died defending the constitution only to have a president deface it and treat it with contempt...

Quaint, is what Gonzales called it.

Posted by: KAckermann | May 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree about Colin P. He said he was just being a 'good soldier'. That's fine when you're a private, but not when you're a 4 star general. But I give Scott M. a little more wiggle room, because it was his job to spin things and do damage control. I mean come on, that's what they do! If anything good comes out of this, it will be the inspiration of others to tell the truth on this amazingly corrupt administration...

Posted by: boldy | May 28, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Bush "veered TERRIBLY OFF course" -- Scott McClellan's own words --, and the country is NOW paying the TERRIBLE prize for it. SHAMEFUL.

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | May 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Mary and Tim DeLaMatter
I cannot believe how stupid you two are.
9-11 had absolutely nothing to do with invading Iraq. That has been proven. Stoop using 9-11 as your excuse for supporting a lying coward alcoholic president. We were attacked by Saudis not Iraqis. The attack occured nine months into your president's first term. Bush is a lying pig. Stop supporting a lying pig.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Nazi propagandists were tried at Nuremberg. Joseph Goebbels would have landed in the dock, but he killed himself in the bunker.

Take a look at what happened to his underling, Hans Fritzsche:

http://www.trialrun.com/id4u/nuremberg_profiles/hans_fritzsche.html

Could Scotty be trying to immunize himself against a war crimes prosecution? Let's hope he doesn't succeed.

Posted by: Patriot | May 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Is there anyone posting in here someone who lost a loved one in the 9/11 attack? My husband was 1 mile away from the Pentagon and I was unable to reach him for a day. Imagine how that felt?

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Did you feel like invading a couple of countries and causing the deaths of tens of thousands because a gang took to flying over robbing a bank, and the US took to nation thumping rather than leaving the criminal actions to international law enforcement? Did you feel like rolling back the civil rights of every citizen in the US?

If we really feared these gangs then our southern border would not be such that illiterate motel maids could cross it by their millions now would it?

Nor would we have the illegal employment infrastructure in place that we do now that could easily permit 'terrorists' by the hundreds to just walk in, employ, self-support, and self-arm.

Being there does not make you an expert on strategic affairs, anymore than watching a shuttle launch makes you an astronaut.


Posted by: spaceman | May 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Too bad bush didn't actually go after the terrorist who attacked us on 911. Bush defenders need to stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up to what bush did to this country. Had bush actually wanted to get Osama, he could have. Instead, bush used 911 as a perfect set up to achieve his ultimate goal, topple Sadam as retribution for the attempted murder of bush senior. That's it, there never were weapons of mass destruction and the administration knew it. 911 provided the perfect cover bush wanted to attack Iraq. catching or killing osama takes that opportunity away. Unfortunately, millions of americans were dumb enough to turn a deaf ear to those much smarter than bush and his advisers, and now we all are paying the price for it.

Posted by: pj451 | May 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

And here I thought George Tenet was the last in the long endless line of Bush denouncers. Either the White House as an endemic problem with trying to find company who don't sell out for money, or Bush really did screw up.

Posted by: gary | May 28, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The UN hates the United States. What good will they do us?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"We will be wearing turbans and we will watch our loved ones be brutally tortured and murdered because the American people are too busy putting blame for everything they don't like on someone and not taking steps to defend their country, regardless who our leader is."

Yeah, like boycotting Dunkin' Donuts because Rachel Ray wore an Arabic-style scarf in their ad.

"I didn't particularly like Clinton but I would never have bad mouthed him because he was the country's president."

No, you have Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly to do that for you.

"Respect goes a long way."

I have no respect for a repeat criminal. Just because the Democrats are too meek to take it to trial doesn't mean no crime was committed.

"Standing up for our country will go even further."

We're standing up for our country by taking it back from the uneducated xenophobic totalitarian Muslim-hating zealots who don't know a Shia from Shinola.

See you in November.

Posted by: trippin | May 28, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PR | May 28, 2008 11:48 AM

"Your posting betrays ignorance about US govt policies and is pure BS. Hussein was an ALLY in the 1980's and under Reagan against Iran. There are pictures available of Rummy being chummy with Iraq's dictator who was still killing his own people back then. So why the big concern now about Iraq's citizens? It is a manufactured reason by the administration which was left with no ground to stand on after WMD debacle. "

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Forget it.

There are tens of millions 'American Idol', 'Fox news', and 'Oprah' experts right behind, and their vote counts the same as yours.

But look on the bright side: our ancient form of democracy is keeping its promise of producing leadership congruent with the population at large.

Posted by: McChain | May 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

This book seems remarkably self-serving. Where is the Eliot-Richardson-courage of O'Neil, Clarm, Tennet, Powell etc when they know the truth at the time? Just as McLellen finds it hard to believe Bush couldn't remember his cocaine use, I find it hard to believe McLellen woke up only AFTER leaving the White House. Bush, Cheney, Feith, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz ALL need to be in Leavenworth sometime soon. Maybe McClellan can find the courage to step forward to testify when he's needed.

Posted by: Larry J | May 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

All of you bashers are the ones who are giving the "devil" his due and I am speaking of Satan, the true devil. Keep it up and then suffer the consequences. This country is filled with idiots who don't realize how damaging their comments are.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Beverly, we all remember 911 and will never forget it. But then should we follow the president blindly even when he is killing our citizens and the Iraqis. Are they less human because they live in the middle east. Do you know how many times they have felt what we felt on 911. Pray my sister, there was no Iraqi in the execution and implementation of 911 at least that we know of. But do you know that 14 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. The same country as Osama and the same one that GW went to last week to beg for oil. Please dont say that we should be stupid because we are Americans, please

Posted by: Me | May 28, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

dharper, you are a very wise person and you have your facts right. We will be wearing turbans and we will watch our loved ones be brutally tortured and murdered because the American people are too busy putting blame for everything they don't like on someone and not taking steps to defend their country, regardless who our leader is. I didn't particularly like Clinton but I would never have bad mouthed him because he was the country's president. Respect goes a long way. Standing up for our country will go even further.

Posted by: Beverly | May 28, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

One achievement that readily comes to mind is that while Bush and his cohorts slip in to Iraq at night, the Iranian president is welcomed on a red carpet with full military parade. What a stupid administration. What a waste. What a terrible shame. Iran is stronger now than it has ever been in recent history because of ignorant and uneducated war mongers who think that bravery is synonymous to killing and fighting people. Any idiot in the street can fight but it takes a reasonable individual to sit at a table and talk. I do not think that anyone in the world is in doubt of America's military prowess, what they are not sure of is the intellectual capacity that has been lacking since 2000

Posted by: Imagine | May 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't McClellan resign? If he knew these things were going on, he should have acted with honor and resigned as White House Press Secretary.

I have the same issue with Colin Powell. He disagreed wholeheartedly with Cheney and Rumsfeld but let himself be used by these guys to sell their war in Iraq. I can never view Colin Powell as an honorable man again.

Posted by: rb | May 28, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

His claims that he was duped ring false. Hans Blix, Mohamed ElBaradei, and everyone at the UN responsible for WMD tracking TOLD us the Bush administration was full of it.

McClellan's latest round of lies simply attempt to reinforce the "We didn't know!" mythology the Republicans are trying to create in the wake of their disaster.

But they did know, and they lied. Prison time is what Scott McClellan deserves. Instead, he'll just sell more books.

Posted by: Ricardo | May 28, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Just reading the Post story without reading the book was enough to see McClellan did not sell out his patron. He calls Bush plenty intelligent to be president, witty, charming, and politically astute. Perhaps all true, and one must give the Devil his due. What shows me McClellan is still a sycophant is that he says Bush is not to blame for all of his criminal misdeeds perpetuated on the American public and the world. He was, and still is, a victim of circumstances--the poor rube from Texas who meant well came to the big bad city and found he had to play the game the same way. He could not help it. He had to do it for the poor oil companies and corporate CEO's who depended on him for their massive paychecks and perks. Imagine if poor, naive Mr. Bush stuck to his downhome priciples--we may not have had a war, at devastated economy, Katrina victims may be doing better. Poor, poor, Mr. Bush. A victim of the big city.

Posted by: map529 | May 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Is there anyone posting in here someone who lost a loved one in the 9/11 attack? My husband was 1 mile away from the Pentagon and I was unable to reach him for a day. Imagine how that felt? People react to something so tragic when they are close to it. Those who stood at a distance just don't get the full affect, have a little compassion for people who still grieve to this day. Stop throwing blame around and start being an American. Anger only brings negativity and things will continue to decline in our country. Bashing the president is what the terrorists love hearing. Go ahead and keep feeding into them. Come on people, stop hating. We have all made mistakes and we probably have all deceived someone. It may not seem the same, but it was to that person. Until any of us become perfect, we have no rights to criticize others. People choose to listen to the liberal press because it is their choice to do so. We can all believe what we choose to believe. All I know is that we have the greatest country and we, as citizens of the US are the ones destroying it. Lets take responsibility instead of throwing it all on the government. We voted them in and if we can't support them, then maybe we should keep our comments to ourselves and stop fueling a very dangerous fire.

Posted by: Beverly | May 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

It is very troubling to me to view the many posts that castigate President Bush so unmercifully. I do not, and have not, agreed with his present stance on handling this conflict but when have politicians EVER handled any conflict with even a modicum of good judgement.

The Korean Conflict (never was called a war) was a conflict between Truman (Democrat) and Douglas MacArthur. Eisenhower (Republican) put an end to that little fiasco.Vietnam was LBJ (Democrat)and the military with politicians "playing" the "which way is the wind blowing today" game. Those veterans came home are were shamed. Then there were all the "little incidents" leading up to the Clinton admistration which did nothing to answer the many attacks on US installations. And let us not forget President Carter (Democrat) and the deaths at the Embasey in which he did
absolutely nothing and Reagan (Republican) put a screeching halt to that nonsense.

President Bush AND the Congress of the US were given the same information when they granted him to authority to launch the attack on Saddam. The vote to do so was almost unanimous and for the Democrats and the Republican members to now continually shirk away from that vote is disgraceful. The information was that which was collected by the CIA and various international intelligence groups and shared with other countries. Great Britian reviewed it and agreed. People at the UN viewed it and in actuality the major powers were mostly in agreement (except for the "weenie" France.

Were WMD ever located? No. But the UN gave Saddam a year to clean up his act before anyone ever went into Iraq. He had enough tme to dispose anything he had by quietly shipping it off to another friendly country.Had Bush 1 gone in ten years prior to this the problem would probably never have arisen but politically that was not feasible.

Terrorism is the new warfare. We will quite possibly never again see full out assaults by masses of troops against one another. It will be guided missles and singular assaults by bomb laden individuals who will kill thousands in the quest to destroy a single entity such as an embassy. Terrorists have the patience of Job and if their objective should take years so be it. During that period of time they will keep their proposed targets in constant turmoil wondering who and what will be next. That is their MO.

War is never pleasant. War is expensive. War has a terrible human attrition connected to it. War engulfs innocents. But wars are many times necessary because there is always someone, or some nation (Germany-Japan) who wishes to take over the world (or their neighbor).

Lest some of you who are so critical, you will not be if someday within the next 25 years you are wearing a turban on your head and praying 5 times a day facing the east. And if you don't the govening body simply "chops off your head" as punishment for your transgression.

Be careful what you wish for, for you just may get it.

Posted by: dharper | May 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Condi's tell-all book should be a doozy.

Posted by: Jill Goodsell | May 28, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

When Bush first started the hype about Iraq and WMD those that disagree with the war were told that they were not patriotic and that they should be ashamed. During this time Bush has an approval rating of roughly 72% so 72% of the country thought the other 28% were unpatriotic now you have those numbers reversed 72% now think that Bush is a lunatic and finally we have solid evidence that a public official lied over and over and over.
The media did nothing then and gave George Bush a free ride, much like the media is doing again for Barack Hussein Obama, even though the truth is there the media (including the Washington Post is looking the other way). Obama and Tony Rezko, Obama and William Ayers, Obama and Jeremiah Wright, Obama and Penny Pritzker (Superior Bank Scandal). The truth is there but 98% of the Obama supporters dont care if the man is dishonest or not, and the MEDIA organizations are once again silent and wont stir up any trouble since they all want to be in bed with him.

Posted by: Jerry | May 28, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I am sure that the person in this thread called Roz that wrote about Obama is an illiterate who is like GW. You just an incapable of using your brain and would take anything that you are fed with. You are just not capable. I pity those that look up to you. Although, i do not have a dog in the fight as i believe that none of them would make a significant change but for you to peddle such nonsense.......

Posted by: Imagine | May 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

My mistake, Obama changed his name from Barry Obama to Barrack Obama. Look it up.

Posted by: Roz | May 28, 2008 11:29 AM

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Barry was his nickname. He was named after his father Barack Hussein Obama Sr. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't spread falsehoods.

This story isn't about the election anyways. It is about McClellan trying to cash in by confirming what we already know. This administration blatantly lied to rush into a war with little or no concern over the consequences.

Posted by: Oeno | May 28, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kristen | May 28, 2008 11:31 AM

"I didn't say it constituted an act of war"

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hey did u know war happened anyway.
And our actions in Iraq killed more Iraqi civilians than Saddam ever did.
Im sure they are all much happier, and we should always invade countries we feel are not being nice.

Ok lets go invade communist china and africa...its gonna be a busy day

Posted by: jcs | May 28, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

The buck stops with the real engineers and salesmen of the Iraq war -- the manipulative, secretive Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld triad. The finger should have been pointed in that direction all along. Why wasn't it, and where were you, McClellan? Playing the loyal employee and earning your salary? MSNBC, you're not off the hook either.

Posted by: Josherhan | May 28, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Wonder why this newspaper's editors have never found any compelling reason to call for impeachment...complicity in the criminal illegal war they slobberingly promoted.

When or if Bush ever leaves office, I suppose we'll see the flabby mea culpa : "Darn us! We shoulda demanded his resignation! Oh! let us flog ourselves in public for a few days!"

Posted by: marcopolo | May 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kristen | May 28, 2008 11:22 AM
"We could have left Hussein in charge to keep his rape houses going and create even more mass graves. Remember, he buried thousands and thousands of his own people ALIVE. If you don't find that worse than trying to help a country become a democracy so they don't have to be afraid of their own leaders, then you have major problems."

Your posting betrays ignorance about US govt policies and is pure BS. Hussein was an ALLY in the 1980's and under Reagan against Iran. There are pictures available of Rummy being chummy with Iraq's dictator who was still killing his own people back then. So why the big concern now about Iraq's citizens? It is a manufactured reason by the administration which was left with no ground to stand on after WMD debacle.

Posted by: PR | May 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

What is unbelievable is that some people still think that the President was right. The bible says my people perish for lack of knowledge and yes people have perished for lack of knowledge and are perishing for lack of knowledge. Why cant people use their brain. They failed to use their brain in 2000 and we got George Bush and then in 04, they swift boated everybody in to believing that Kerry was not a hero. A leader reflects a society and vice versa so if we have a president like George Bush then it says a lot about who we are. Let no one be fooled though, this war will not end in the next 100 years because GW and his hawk friends created more terrorists when bombs killed innocent people in Iraq and children saw their parents and families either dismembered or killed. I have a brother in the war as I speak and I am scared for his mental health. This is his third deployment so I beg you do not even begin to think I am unpatriotic. Foe those of you that think that the war in Iraq was justified please answer this question, what have we achieved?

Posted by: Imagine | May 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Hillary and McCain were trying to protect their country. Maybe Obama voted against the war for his own personal reasons. Has anyone ever thought about that?

Posted by: Roz | May 28, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Over at the WSJ, there are excerpts from the book. The last one starts with the is sentence;
"I still like and admire George W. Bush. I consider him a fundamentally decent person, and I do not believe he or his White House deliberately or consciously sought to deceive the American people."

Why would he write that? Surely he knows different. Maybe its in his blood to say what he thinks he has to, and not the unvarnished truth, the very thing he says plagues Washington political culture.

Again and again, apparently, in his book evidence points back to Rove and cheney, where again and again, the trail is mysteriously abandoned at their office doors by those who say they want to get at the truth.

Damn right we're angry. And you people in the press have demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that you yourselves are part of the problem, part of the machinery that, McClellan writes, "has become the home of the permanent campaign, a game of endless politicking based on the manipulation of shades of truth, partial truths, twisting of the truth, and spin."

So what are you, the press, going to do to help correct the situation?

Posted by: YogiBear59 | May 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Who or what will shield bush and his gang from war crimes charges once he has left office? I understand USA will not prosecute him, but what about an international trial.

Posted by: John Bowman | May 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

So we train our military to fight and protect using weapons, that doesn't mean they are going to use their training destructively. We did not create terrorists, they did that on their own. What happened 20+ years ago should be blamed on all the administrations and not just Bush's. The attack happened while he was in office only a few months. What if Clinton had still been in office? Maybe if he had done something with the first attack there would not have been a second one. No one took it seriously, did they? That was just a warning. We all see what we want to see and maybe we all ought to stop griping and try to make our country better as US citizens and stop focusing everything on the government. Stop hiding behind the liberals or the conservatives and stand up for the US or it won't be long before we lose our freedom. Go ahead and laugh, but I doubt you'll be laughing a few years from now.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The comment that McClellen has a unique opportunity at some redemption suggests a brilliant challenge to him. Everyone who reads this should write to their local newspaper, post to any blogs they frequent, utilize the viral possibilities of the internet and call on McClellen to make his mea culpa real by giving the money from his book to an organization serving the tens of thousands of veterans who are still receiving substandard medical and mental health care. Call on McClellen to say in as plain speak as he admits his complicity of silence that he wants to do what he can now to make up for his deadly lack of courage before.

Flood his publisher, Public Affairs Books (PublicAffairs@perseusbooks.com) with the same suggestion. The editors are Susan Weinberg and Peter Osnos.

Scott McClellen - pay it forward. Take your tell-all to the bank and erase any possible redemption, or do the right thing. Telling- all is a first step, but using the profits for healing is a means to redeeming what he still can.

His agent (yes of course he's on the lecture circuit) is also a place to send comments. The contact is Washington Speakers Bureau (Info@WashingtonSpeakers.com). Phone number is 703.684.0555 phone.

Send this info to everyone on your email list. Let's see what a grassroots response to his book can really do. Write to the Oprah show to do the same thing. I know that sounds naive, but not nearly as naive as thinking the press is going to wake-up and start being the voice it is supposed to be. We know the press will give it it's promotional 15 minutes of fame and move on.

What do you say? Any takers?

Posted by: peter | May 28, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Actually, the biggest fallout should come down on Hillary and McCain, both of whom have supported this 'war.' Wonder what their 'messages' will morph into.

Posted by: blueshift | May 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Scott Mclellan has the same blood on his hands as the administration......he helped sell lies.... sickening

Posted by: andy | May 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Thank You Bob - What most people fail to remember (or admit) is that the decision to move into Iraq was heavily supported by both a lied to Congress and importantly The deceived People.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Roz | May 28, 2008 11:28 AM
"Go ahead and vote Obama in and see what happens to this country. Why did he change his name from Barry to Obama? I thought he was never of the Muslim faith? Talk about liars. He has been caught in so many of them. And his wife is a hater of the American people. That would be a great president and first lady of the United States of America, wouldn't it?"

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Hating this country for what it has become is a leadership quality that we can no longer afford to be without.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"CIA trained operatives" with respect to 9/11 is probably referring to the fact that Al-Queda was originally created as an insurgency to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, and these "Freedom Fighters" eventually morphed into the terror network we are now supposedly at war with. In 1985 President Reagan himself mentioned these folks as defenders of freedom...

I don't think Bruce's comment was meant to mean 9/11 was an inside job - but only to point out that our CIA armed and trained these folks in the 1980's to fight the Soviets.

And this ties back to one of the comments by Jeremiah Wright that have gotten a lot of people upset - when he said that 9/11 was the "chickens coming home to roost". There's a lot of truth to that - we armed and trained the people who eventually committed the terrible atrocities on 9/11, and if anyone thinks the USA's hands are clean when it comes to supporting terrist groups then they obviously don't want to look critically at our governments actions (read up a little bit about Africa in the 1970's, especially the group UNITA).

McClellan? Sure, he's cashing in now, it's the American way. In a way I feel sorry for him, as he was just doing his job, trying to defend the indefensible, but he surely must have been able to see the forest through the trees at some point before he quit. He should have been more forceful vetting was he was being charged to say - and if he felt he was being put in a position where he was being forced to lie, he should have quit then, and made it known then what his reasons for quitting were. So while I have some sympathy for his being put in a hard place, it is tempered by the conclusion I have that his moral fiber is no better than anyone else associated with George W Bush's administrations.

Posted by: Ed | May 28, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Thank You Bob - What most people fail to remember (or admit) is that the decision to move into Iraq was heavily supported by both Congress and importantly The People. Why in the world is McClellan, who all of you Libs have called a liar and a yes-man for years, suddenly trustworthy enough for you to take his word when all you've probably read is the book jacket? Use your heads - he's disgruntled because he's a FORMER member of the administration and now he's doing a hatchet job. If the man had any deep-seated moral compass why would have kept in under his hat for this long? He's just an opportunist because it's real trendy to be a Bush-hater right now.

Posted by: ED | May 28, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. The horrific scene we watched on September 11 was perpetrated by Saudi's, not Iraqis. The war in Iraq is all about oil.

Posted by: GH | May 28, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I didn't say it constituted an act of war, but people feel safer in their own country now than they did at the hands of Hussein. Go live in Iran if you think it isn't so bad to live in a country who doesn't care one bit about their people and kill them if they do as they are instructed to do.

Posted by: Kristen | May 28, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

My mistake, Obama changed his name from Barry Obama to Barrack Obama. Look it up.

Posted by: Roz | May 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

We, as Americans, collectively bear the burden of the sins of this administration. "We" elected these individuals when we knew very well their credentials. Will we ever recover from the disgrace into which we have fallen? This "confession" is a step in the right direction. Those we elect into positions of power will be another step. We did not hold this administration accountable. We did not hold the press accountable. We did not hold ourselves accountable. We all were afraid. The collapse of the towers struck a deep fear in all of us and we forgot who we are. If we continue to avoid accountability, we will never get off this wheel. The emperor has no clothes and we chose to ignore it because we were afraid. Now that we have awakened, let's move on and fix what we have broken.

Posted by: Todd | May 28, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kristen | May 28, 2008 11:22 AM
"We could have left Hussein in charge to keep his rape houses going and create even more mass graves. Remember, he buried thousands and thousands of his own people ALIVE. If you don't find that worse than trying to help a country become a democracy so they don't have to be afraid of their own leaders, then you have major problems."

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You have major problems if you think such constitutes an act of war.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Go ahead and vote Obama in and see what happens to this country. Why did he change his name from Barry to Obama? I thought he was never of the Muslim faith? Talk about liars. He has been caught in so many of them. And his wife is a hater of the American people. That would be a great president and first lady of the United States of America, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Roz | May 28, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"CJackson36, wrote:
I don't know what kind of advance McClellan got for this book, but I'm not buying a copy. I'm sick of people who lie to us while being paid with our tax dollars then getting a hefty advance to tell us they were deceived."

I couldn't agree more.. this says it all.

Posted by: Artisan | May 28, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Mr. McClellan is an extremely late guest to the Bush Haters Banquet. In addition to the menu selction of Lame Duck, we can choose from other selections like...the ill-advised under-equipped and under-staffed war, the increasing energy prices, (Houston, IN HIS OWN HOME STATE has utility pricing 38% over the national average) the cronyism between the drug companies, tobacco companies, the banking establishment, (who single-handedly changed the bankruptcy laws in place since 1978) the out-sourcing of jobs overseas with no protectionism of our own market place, the farce of the the Homeland Security agency, the housing crisis, the "wink and a nod" Immigration "Reform" policy, the scandals, the lies, the propaganda. As a Texan, I got to say...the Dixie Chicks were right! He IS an embarrassment to the state of Texas.

Posted by: Sold to the guy in the Stetson | May 28, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Kristen, Hussein's evil was going on for decades. We could have engaged the UN, and had world wide support.
Instead, we broke with international law and did a PRE-EMPTIVE strike based on the lie about WMDs. That's the problem, not that we tried to overthrow a scumbag.

Posted by: bruce becker | May 28, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

All this talk about torture and lack of human rights in Iraq. What about North Korea, Syria, Cuba, China, Darfur...the list goes on and on.

Posted by: no nombre again | May 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"Why the hell can't anyone remember 9-11."

You mean that time when a bunch of guys who instead of robbing a bank decided to fly jets into buildings and the corrupt government used it as a cover to invade sovereign countries for mineral resources? Leading to a 'war on terror' causing the deaths of tens of thousands, the evolution of a spy state, and all the while maintaining 'war time' borders that illiterate motel-6 maids can cross by their millions?

Yeah I remember.

Its when the United States became the number 1 terrorist nation in the world, by any measure.

Why is the military taking orders from a service evader and a draft dodger anyway?

The last time something of this nature happened a corporal was calling the shots.

Our military is occupying the wrong capitol city.

Posted by: theantibush | May 28, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

To the person 11:16 AM who didnt indentify themselves:
I didnt say that 9-11 was conducted by the CIA.
My actual words were that bin Laudin and his team were
trained by the CIA.

Posted by: bruce becker | May 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Wow there are a lot of sheep coming home to defend the prez. I think most of you are scared because the next president (and it wont be McCain) is going to straighten out the mess this country is in and make Bush look ten times worse (if thats possible) than he really is.

Posted by: No nombre | May 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

We could have left Hussein in charge to keep his rape houses going and create even more mass graves. Remember, he buried thousands and thousands of his own people ALIVE. If you don't find that worse than trying to help a country become a democracy so they don't have to be afraid of their own leaders, then you have major problems.

Posted by: Kristen | May 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

So the liberals are the ones who are completely right and the conservatives don't know anything. By the way, CNN is a liberal station....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

It's no surprise really. Didn't we all know that this was the truth before Scott published his book? It's just confirming the previously held belief just as the report on torture all the while that Bush was saying, "we don't torture". Bush is a liar, Karl Rove is a liar as is Dick Cheney and the Republican party is paying for their misdeeds. Can you imagine the shame that Bush brings with him when McCain doesn't want to be seen in the news with him? Bush was tearful at his Memorial Day address because he knows it was a war that didn't have to be and the 4,000+ Americans who died and the tens of thousands seriously wounded and the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's who died did not have to die except for his own half baked idea of being the saviour of the world and wanting to be the "war president". It's so very sad for the world that Bush became President of the US.

Posted by: Ed | May 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Hussein admitted to making people believe he had WMDs to keep Iran away. However, there has been proof that there were WMDs that were removed prior the the US invasion. Who here has accurate proof of every detail or are we all playing guessing games in order to destroy our country? You are all doing a great job of that!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

All this was reported by the liberals on the internet, all along,
but "liberals" are ignored by the right wing at Fox and CNN.

You moderates expressing shock at Bush and Cheney organizing propaganda to support a war based on profiteering, should wake up and read more widely. None of this book is news, per se, it is just being stated by someone on the inside willing to confess.


Posted by: bruce becker | May 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I've so far heard CheneyCo shills give the "he never voiced these opinions to the President" defense (as though diversion were defense). His job was basically to be a PR flack, not policy analysis.

Interestingly, I've also heard the "he was outside the loop" defense, which sorta contradicts the former defense (how do you voice concerns if you're outside the loop?)

Posted by: cavjam | May 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey Bruce, where is your proof that 9/11 was conducted by the CIA? Only idiots believe that. I suppose they were responsible for the first attack too. I suppose also that they make all the Bin Laden tapes that we listen to. Boy, they are really good.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone keep referring to 9-11?? 9-11 WAS NOT the original reason for going there, it was weapons of mass destruction that never appeared. Then it was to give them Democracy...apparently they still don't want it. Maybe we should have invaded Iran or North Korea since they NOW HAVE them. Afghanistan WAS the response to 9-11. The man couldn't run a business and he can't run the country...to bad the Saudi's aren't bailing him out of this one.....

Posted by: Jen | May 28, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

And the Post continues its stenography by aping McBush on his medical records. Why no mention of McCain's suicide attempts? Why no mention of the fact that we don't know if McCain has stage 2 or 3 cancer? Big difference and could mean he dies in office. Why no mention of his violent and bizarre mood swings -- including during his first marriage and how these led to the divorce?

Posted by: GOP Street | May 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Amen to Charles.

Posted by: Kay | May 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

someone wrote that we need to remember 9-11
Sure, lets really remember 9-11, the pretext for the war.
9-11 was accomplished by CIA trainees.
Bush was conveniently reading a story to little children when he was informed of the first attack, but he didnt call out the Air Force, he sat back down and waited for the rest of the attack to unfold.

Posted by: bruce becker | May 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

First we should tar-and-feather this guy for not coming out with this information YEARS ago...when 10s of thousands of lives could've been saved. Second, we impeach the whole Administration just to give the world a hope that we are still operate a Democratic society based on law. Third, we teach our children that governments are only as good as the people we elect to them so they don't make the same mistakes our generation did.

Posted by: Staceman71 | May 28, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Many here seem to be concerned only about the 1000s of Americans killed in the war and the economic repercussions of the war. Nobody says a word about the 1 million Iraqis killed due to this war and the 1 million killed due to the sanctions in early 90s.

The popolulation of Iraq has silently gone down by 2 million in the last 17 years. Nobody here sheds a tear for them, not even a crocodile tear. How selfish!

Posted by: Canadian | May 28, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

They voted for the war based on the false information Georgie presented them. Where are those WMDs anyway?

Posted by: Trax | May 28, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

You are all off your rocker. Egocentrism and hypocritical viewpoints cannot hold in a valid argument. Unless you can hold to non-bias viewpoints while respecting each other then you will have words on this page instead of crap.

Posted by: Keegan McCullough | May 28, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

McClellan at least had the integrity to come forth and admit what most Americans already knew about Bush & his GOP. I'm not surprised at all to hear about this Bush, Cheney & GOP corruption that has screwed over this nation for the last 7 years. Also...it will come as no surprise that the White Houses only respose to the book will be to take cheap shots and accuse McClellan of being disgruntled or disingenuous. Since they have no moral compass or integrity to stand on...and since the record of Republican corruption and treachury against the USA these last 7 years speaks for itself...they really do not have a leg to stand on in there defense against the content in McClellan's book.

Posted by: HD Taylor | May 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I am appalled at how easily everyone believes one man over an entire country. Sure, there is always deceit going on in the government, but why take the word of one person who is making money off of bashing and weakening our country even more. Let's just let the terrorists take over because that is what will happen as we weaken. Why prolong it? Wake up people and stand up for our country and put the past in the past and let's focus on the future. McCain is not Bush and don't forget that Hillary and even John Kerry voted for the war. Don't tell me that Congress doesn't know what is going on.

Posted by: Bob | May 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

BALLS
you don't have any you probly gave them to obamaer
Scott is the least off the gutless wonders that we will be hearing from
to make MONEY off the Prez
how does W get all of the knives out of his back?

Posted by: ray hy | May 28, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I will never buy this guy's book, for as I am concerned he is a traitor to his country to go against our leader. I did not vote for Bush, but you people seem to forget that congress was given the same information as Bush about Iraq and CONGRESS VOTED TO GO TO WAR. But being stupid democrats we cannot take responsibility for our actions, so we have to blame someone for our mistakes, so enter Bush. Remember 9/11.
For all of those that have voted for Obama, he didn't vote for the war, WHY, because his brother is a leader of a terrorist group, and you want Obama for your President.

Posted by: Charles | May 28, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Who called him the president. He has done nothing for this country except ruin us. He is an embarassment!

Posted by: Sassy | May 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The problem in this country is everyone believes everything they hear. Why don't we just try to look at facts instead of listening to money hungry jerks. 9/11 happened and there is no going back. And the troops did NOT die in vain. They did their job and died as heroes, so do not belittle what they did.

Posted by: Kay | May 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The problem with this book is that it is too little, too late. Why didn't Scott stand up for truth when it counted. Bush is just about out of office. As far as I am concerned, this book doesn't count now as a sensible argument because it is not timely. It is too late to prevent so many tragic deaths now.

Posted by: drake12 | May 28, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

those of you still supporting Bush (and now McCain)... look in the mirror, hold a single finger under your nose and pretend it is a mustache, now stick the other arm straight out from you body in a salute. Heil Bush!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I believe the Iraq war started with Dick Cheney's $36 million retirement package from Halliburton. He was paid $36 million dollar retirement package to overthrow Sadam so a few select companies could reap a bonanza rebuilding Iraq and stealing Iraqi oil. Mr. Cheney should tour Walter Reed Hospital to see what a cake walk looks like. Insult to injury is the fact that Cheney's son-in-law is head leagal council for the Homeland Security Administration. The son-in-law was taken from his cushy $700,000/year job at a law firm to work at Homeland Security to quash any complaints of abuses, waste and fraud by Dept. of Defense contractors.

Posted by: Michael J. Flynn | May 28, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

let's hear it for the former "mouth piece" for "Shrub",
he must be worried about his legacy also.........did he ever give a thought..no he just a (best left unsaud), like his former employer

Posted by: bill | May 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Any News network that claims McClellan should have comeforth sooner is saying They would do the same in their current position in their job. The News Network employs them. Get it!! a paycheck. Those in Power control your future and $$$ Nothing new here, now let see Gonzales, Rumsie, Wolfie, (Clark already has, just read his book again all true) Tenet (fluff) Bush, Cheney, Rove make Nixon look like a Virgin

Posted by: Chuck Kuhn | May 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Here we are again...with this deceptive and arrogant administration that sank this country with huge debt we and our children will be paying for years to come, while Bush and Cheney that benefited from this stupid war that is costing us $10 billion a month while Bush is busy vetoing children's healthcare bill that cost less than $40 billion over a period of 5 years. Shame on the press! Shame on us! Shame on right-wing civil rights insurgents [Republicans]!

Posted by: Jon Adams | May 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I believe eventually Bush will go to trial for the deaths of millions of innocent people. The mis-use of trillions of dollars, and the lies and deception. If found guilty he should face the same sentence as his friend Saddam.

Posted by: InTheEnd | May 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Can Pelosi stop getting on TV and grinning all the time and do something? Let's say implicate impeachment proceedings or put it back on the table. Please do something! She has done nothing but grinned her to way to speaker.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

No news here, but interesting none the less. The fear-mongering Bush peddled around the country was alive & well in his staff, who I believe were honestly afraid to openly disagree with the likes of Rove, Cheney & their puppet, dubya.

Posted by: IMAPerson | May 28, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

It's odd how some want to kill the messanger and ignore the message. Loyalties to boss over contry?

P.S. Pkiel, Iraq did was not involved in
9-11. And we wonder who the 20% are that supports Bush.

Posted by: dcp | May 28, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

We knew all this seven years ago, are we supposed to feel sorry for McClellan? He's either a total idiot or a liar. Either way, thousands are dead and our economic future is imperiled. Chances for impeachment are dead, but now we have a chance at something better: Arrest all the bastards and prosecute them for treason. Where has your backbone been, America? Where is it now? Too comfortable in your easy chairs? We all ought to be in the streets demanding justice.

Posted by: Rose | May 28, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Scott should be commended even though he is speaking up a little late to do much good. How many others who could have made a difference (ie Colin Powell) came clean.

Posted by: ginob | May 28, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

This guy is just trying to make money at the President's expense.
What a coward. He is just cashing in like all the other jerks who write kiss and tell books. President Bush gave this country a backbone when we were attacked by terrorists unlike our pervious president who was to busy shuffling between lies and his girlfriends. Anyone who cannot see this is blind to the danger this country was in and is still in. We our a country of opportunists who write these books to make money no matter who gets hurt.

Posted by: mary | May 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I have often wondered how Hitler convinced all his supporters that what he was doing was right and just.

Now I understand the Republican Party.

Posted by: louisvillelip | May 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al, should all be jailed and tried for crimes against the people. Line em up, shoot em all!
Outrageous!

Posted by: Disgusted! | May 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Lying to the country; leading us to war and the deaths of thousands of our soldiers under false pretenses; subverting the Constitution; disallowing oversight and accountability; How do you define treason?

Posted by: Robert Leigh | May 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

McClellan has one chance at partial redemption -- pledge the royalties from his book to the people harmed by the lies he helped advance. For him to profit from these lies is unconsiousable.

Posted by: infidel57 | May 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post including many news channels outlets and media should be investigated and prosecuted for diseminating lies on behalf of the administration.
Scotty boy ... you should be thrown in jail just like your boss the flying monkey boy.

Posted by: Borgos | May 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

You guys are trying to justify your own cowardice, and do it by blaming someone who has for the most part, put his own sensibilities aside to do what has stopped the U.S. from being attacked by terrorists since 9-11. Think people, think, think... What would have happened if the U.S. wouldn't have went on the offensive, which was actually a defensive move when you consider there were over five attacks before, that was never answered! I'm tired of your pedantic attacks on a President who is courageous while thinking of the National Security, not his own political well-being. As Mr. Clinton had been.

Posted by: Tim DeLaMatter | May 28, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

What is shocking is that even when the whole world knows that Bush went into war without any justifiable reasons and ended up getting hundreds of thousands of people killed Bush is still the president of USA. So, who in this world now would like to say USA is a great country? Is it so great that it elects tirants like Bush? Is it so great that even after seeing his true face they accept him as president? If American peolpe can not stop such balant criminal activity by its own top man, on what grounds do they claim to pressurise other countries to improve their human rights records?
In all honesty I like American peolpe. But I am simply amazed as to how engrossed they are in I don't know what that they are allowing themselves to be represented by Bushies.

Posted by: wellwisher | May 28, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

McClellan is a Weenie! Questioning any hidden agendas behind this invasion will go on for years to come.. but for this guy to try to make money saying "Yeah, I knew I was deceiving everyone and people died for it..but I was just doing what I was told".. that's disgusting.. it's the same argument Himmler used in the Nuremburg Trials. If there's any finger's to be pointed, McClellan and Hillary are just as guilty by being on-board when it all started.

Posted by: MM | May 28, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

To hell with all these government officials who suddenly developed a conscience years after they were in a position to do something about it. America needed some real heroes, and all we got were Yes Men.

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | May 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I can not imagine how the wives and mothers of our dead soldiers feel. I also feel sorry for those members of the military who will always carry the scars and mutilations that were caused by these lies. What has happened to our free press in not bringing these lies to the attention of the americans. Shame on our politicians as well as our press.

Posted by: DURABLE36 | May 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Should we do the same as we did with the books outlining the crimes and murders of the Clinton's? Just leave them on the shelf and call it sour grapes? Just wondering.
PS: where has my JFK democratic party gone????

Posted by: XDEM | May 28, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I listened to some military guys a couple of weeks ago and they used every tired cliche from the Republicans as to why the war in Iraq was necessary. Thanks to Bush and the Republicans, the war in Afghanistan is not won, the economy is in the pits, the dollar is in the pits, oil is sky-high, the national debt is out of control, but we are "saving the world for democracy and anyone who doesn't agree with us is unpatriotic".

But then, I do not see anything much better running for President.

Posted by: Ron | May 28, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

We all remember 911 like it was yesterday. We will never forget 911; however, this administration has never connected 911 with the war in Iraq.

Posted by: Jim | May 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Man I hate Bush. He's a big stupid jerk

Posted by: Mike | May 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to see the media post and/or publish a lot of "Gee, we just didn't do our job very well" type editorializing regarding their collective failure to hold Bush and his cabinet duly responsible for the grand crisis' that have engulfed and tarnished the United States.

What I'm not seeing is the HOW or WHY the media so spectacularly failed this country as well as the world at large. How about we do some self-investigative reporting on the reasons why you, the media, failed to dig even one inch deep into the lies being told by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et el?

Posted by: olivestreet | May 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

We are no better than Russia, Cuba or China when it come to freedom of the press. Our government continues to manipulate what is printed or shown in the news outlets. None of this should be a surprise to anybody. We don't get imprisonned for telling the truth, we get ignored.

Posted by: Terrence | May 28, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I welcome his honesty now, although it would have been better if he had be more forthcoming when it counted.

I'm less critical of the press than most people who are as left leaning as I am are. Most of the press is trying to allow politicians to make their cases to the public -- they're not trying to interfere too much.

The administration was lying, and the Democrats were servile and derelict (as they are to this day -- impeachment is still off the table. Thanks loads, Nancy.)

McClellan is saying to the press, "When we were lying to you, you should have been more vigilant."

It's a strange argument.

Posted by: Alex S | May 28, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Maybe, just maybe, Scotti is trying to redeem himself by disrupting Bush's current information campaign orchestrated to justify strikes against natanz and tehran. Maybe the thoughts of "low-yield" and "tactical" (as in our's and isreal's newly developed "nuucular" weapons) is keeping him up at night.

Posted by: joe@home | May 28, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

There is nothing as devisive and as uniting as politics.If
McCain did not think it will give him political capital to swipe at Bush he would not do so .If Gore did not feel he may loose some die hards by outrightly condemning Bill (Lewinsky)he would have done so too.
We are always right you are always wrong if there is nothing for me to profit.
Now there is something for him to gain
There are a few exceptions

Posted by: Mistens | May 28, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Washington has always played dirty politics, but this takes it too far. Now they are trying to sweeten the tea by saying reduction in troops are coming soon. Our troops have died in vain. How's our credibility now with the world?

Posted by: Justice | May 28, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Bush belongs in prsion. Bugliosi has written a similar book calling for impeachment. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN! It would be nice but Obama or Shillary will pardon Bush as soon as they take office and the scumbag will live out his days in Dallas spending his oil money. A disgrace. Worst US president since Nixon. A true shame.

Posted by: Balls | May 28, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Bush is now looking for the knife in his back McClellan just wedged in it. Hey I would hire a snake like McClellan; NOT!!!

Posted by: Edge | May 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

He is such a hypocrat. He just wanted to get some publicity for his book and get some money out of it.

If had the backbone, he should have quit the office earlier. He was a supporter and now when everyone is siding Bush, he is doing it also, as though he is a great guy. Bunch of crap!

NEVER READ/BUY THIS GUY BOOK.

I am not supporting Bush at all, as I am totally against war since begining. However could not tolerate anyone who says NOW that war is wrong when they intially supported it. BS..

Posted by: Ramesh | May 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Hoolala...old news

Posted by: emad | May 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

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