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Conservatives vs. McCain

Conservatives have rarely been comfortable with Sen. John McCain and they're worried that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee will try to mess with the basic GOP platform that "currently reflects the policies and principles of President Bush," Michael D. Shear tells us this morning. Conservatives seem to have particular concerns about McCain's views on global warming, immigration, stem cell research and campaign finance.

We don't ask our Readers Who Comment to identify their political leanings, but many of those who have filed on this article seem to be Democrats, because they're enjoying the fight. Some who seem to come from the GOP are wringing their hands, and one particularly disaffected poster has on three occasions since the story went up stated strong support for Libertarian Bob Barr. Others offer political analysis, often suggesting that the center is where America wants to be.

We'll start with frederick2, who suggested, "Aim gun at your foot. Get a grip on the trigger. Pull trigger. Shoot yourself in the foot."

BruceMcDougall was a bit more analytical in writing, "McCain has always had trouble with people in his own party and probably always will... This election will be a battle for moderate Americans, not liberals or conservatives. That's a section of the community where Obaba has made some inroads, but also where McCain has enormous support..."

rcaslow said, "...It sickens me every election cycle when each party re-writes the platforms to're-center' the parties. The extremists are needed to identify what centrists are but the party platform needs to be about the WHOLE party...not the select few... Dems will be facing a similar issue..."

rkerg wrote, "Well, it is no surprise that the republo-cult wing of the party is going to fight to keep as much reality out of the platform as possible. They like their platforms to be 'faith based' and reality free. Science, they don't need no stinkin' science."

aallen1 asked, "Are you sure these conservative activists aren't Obama supporters in disguise, trying to make Republicans look ridiculous?"

chrisdunning1 said, "I'm enthusiastically in favor of 'the grassroots having a say' in the formation of any party's platform. I think that the major parties have become far too similar when it comes to national politics. American's need to be presented with a clear choice between parties that are based on principles not on political calculations..."

mtns2climb said, "...I'd really like to see activists on both sides put aside polarizing politics and deal with the hard issues... As for party planks, I find the effort spent by most enshrining them in a document a wasted effort because like most military plans, they do not survive first contact in Washington politics..."

12thgenamerican wrote, "i will vote for barr because of this nonsense."

But dsrobins said, "This is wonderful. Let the ultra conservative loonies destroy McCain and his entire campaign. They're welcome to vote for Bob Barr or even stay home on election day come November. Anything that contributes to a huge Republican defeat in November is good for America."

Omyobama asked, "Will there be a platform fight or won't there? All depends on which John McCain shows up for the convention. The 2000 "straight talk express" version or the 2008 appeaser, willing to change positions on anything to capture the right wing of his party. It will be interesting ..."

PutDownTheKoolaid offered, "Yep, the flat earthers in the GOP would rather sacrifice the future of our planet than admit they are wrong about anthropogenic climate change.

lynnellingw wrote, "I hope Mc Cain wins these battles and the opponents lose. We need a president who is concerned with global warming, immigration, stem cell research etc. and not trying to ignore them or block them. The conventions should be fun."

nsejaw said, "Gads! Okay, I'll admit; I'm heavily for Obama; but I'm starting to feel sorry for McCain."

brucek1 wrote, "THIS IS A SETUP, PEOPLE!! They are just pushing this narrative about how different McCain is from the "real Republicans" to counter the Obama argument that McCain is running for Bush's third term. And of course the media lap it up, just like everything else that paints McCain as a maverick."

And Paddy1 said, "Another WaPo attempt to document a schism in the Republican Party as wide as the multiple schisms in the Democratic Party. I and many other conservatives and moderates are voting for McCain not because he's the nominee of the Republican Party, but because Obama is the nominee of the Democratic Party. McCain is my least favorite Republican, but the alternative is scary..."

camdryg wrote, "McCain is a clown. I don't care what he did fifty years ago for his country, I care about what he is going to do for our country now!... That man won't change and he is completely unacceptable to me politically."

nodebris said, "The problem the Republicans have this year is the only candidate they have a hope of getting elected this year is one that doesn't represent their views. Because their views are utterly rejected by the majority of Americans, and rightly so.
So, they can either be Republicans, or they can get elected."

rmlwj1 agreed, saying, "Once again, the far right manages to ignore the fact that the independents and moderates are the voters who actually elect a president. Par for the course."

But dotellen suggested that "A fight with conservatives over the platform, with McCain winning, could increase his electability. But if he loses, the Republican brand will be even more tarnished."

Potter2 wrote, "People, as you read this article, note that not one conservative quoted says a word in argument for their positions - they only talk about how McCain is out of line."

And PeterDM pleaded, "Hey, Conservatives! The people have spoken. We nominated McCain. This means we like what he stands for. Adapt to him, go his direction, or be left behind! Your extremism of the past decade just doesn't wash any more."

We'll close with a silly exchange, starting with willandjansdad1, who wrote, "
I saw a program on the Discovery Channel about "Elephant Graveyards". The old elephants would return to the field of bones and move the bones around and bleat sadly. It's deja vu all over again."

To which birvin9999 replied, "Oh my God, WIMP ALERT. WIMP ALERT: Williamandjansdad is out of his cage and blogging. Someone call Saint Elizabeth's - he's OUT."

All comments on this article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  July 7, 2008; 9:15 AM ET
Categories:  McCain , Presidential Politics  
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I like McCain. We served in Vietnam. But most of the issues that will be important are not even known today. We have to trust the person and vote for issues as a less imporetant part of the decision process.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | July 10, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Think back. Why did Bush fail? On the economic front, he governed from the extreme right. If he had had the sense to cvompromise and pursue a more centrist course, he would not have pushed for tax cuts that benefitted ostly the wealthy and big business. In 2001, businesses were aready overcapitalized owing to the tech boom. Any tax cut should have been more geared to the consumers, not the producers.

On the foreign policy side, the Bush Doctrine was doomed to failure for almost the same reason: It was grounded on an extreme neoconservative delusion that we could manage the world through aggressive unilateral action. Again a more prudent course--and in fact, the one Bush is pursuing now--would have been multilateral engagememt, tough diplomancy and hard nose negotiations.

Bush failed because he tried to govern from an extreme conservative position. I have to give conservatives this: For them to be whining now about the possibility McCain might try to govern from the sensible center, is about as "chutzpa" as you can get given the failures of conservatism as applied by this administration.

If McCain had any real courage and were really a straight talking maverick, he would mimic Dick Cheney and tell the conservatives to...well, you get the picture.

Posted by: Jaxas | July 9, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Eric Nordstrom | July 8, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

McCain and Obama both scare the s%!# out of me, and I'm voting for Bob Barr as the only candidate who is dedicated to protecting individual rights and the foundational principles our nation was built on.

That said, if Barr doesn't win, I hope Obama thumps McCain soundly; just to send a wake up call to the Neocons. Ideal scenario, other than Bob winning, would be for Obama to get 51% of the vote, Barr about 29% and McCain 20% or so. In other words, a scenario that makes it clear to the Republicans that they have to abandon the Neocon agenda and re-embrace their libertarian roots if they ever want to be successful again. Either that, or it'll drive the remaining libertarian republicans to the Libertarian Party and cast the GOP into the sandpits of history.

Posted by: Phillip Rhodes | July 7, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obamacon, and a large part of the reason is the hijacking of the GOP by windbags like that Nambla fellow. Because of people like Nambla, the once proud GOP has become a corrupt syphilitic "companion" used over and over again by those seeking power and wealth, whether it's the religious right, the imperialists, or the oil companies. The GOP sold us out, folks, and Republicans that realize this will be voting for Bob Barr or Obama.

I see two basic scenarios if Obama wins. Best case scenario is that Obama turns out to be a lousy President and the GOP is able to regroup, reclaim its principles, and kick out the crooks. We win in 2012. "Worst" case scenario is that Obama is a good President and pulls us out of the National Nightmare that has been the Bush Administration and the current corrupt GOP.

McCain is no longer his own man, if he ever really was. I was a big supporter of him in 2000, but I really don't know who he is anymore. I don't know if I ever really did know.

Anyway, Nambla or Nnamdi or whatever your name is . . . those of us Republicans in the rank and file are taking back our party from you, even if it means voting for a Democrat in this upcoming election.

Posted by: Marcos El Malo | July 7, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

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DARN you folks, why you all got be so hung up on results and facts. We've had a perfectly plausible ideology these last 7 1/2 years. If you shut out reality and just focus on stuff like George Bush tells us to than everything looks a lot better.

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Posted by: mickey | July 7, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

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Signed one of the "mainstream" 28% of America who gets that GWB is a great President.

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Olivia Villa | July 7, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

These people who call themselves "conservatives" live in an imaginary world. In their wonder world, they think all of global warming is functional, just because they want to believe it is (despite the fact that 95% of the published scientists on the subject claim to the contrary). They believe they can manufacture facts out of thin air. They believe "conservative" means changing the tax system starting wars with other countries of their choice, and eliminating all consumer and worker protections. (Note to "conservatives": your policies fall under the dictionary definition of "liberal".)

Posted by: Dennis | July 7, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: mickey | July 7, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain's lackluster voter support...No Fact.
Immoral, unnecessary Iraq war...Ask Israel.
Million homes forclosed upon...So govt. pays?
Highest inflation in 20 yrs...Lie. 1990=5.39%
Gas at $4.11 gallon...London is $9 a gallon.
500,000 jobs lost so far in 2008...Help Republicans close the borders, then we can plan.

Bush to blame?.........God bless the man!

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain's lackluster voter support...
Immoral, unnecessary Iraq war...
Million homes forclosed upon....
Highest inflation in 20 years....
Gas at $4.11 gallon...
500,000 jobs lost so far in 2008...

Bush to blame?.........da

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McCain's lackluster voter support...
Immoral, unnecessary Iraq war...
Million homes forclosed upon....
Highest inflation in 20 years....
Gas at $4.11 gallon...
500,000 jobs lost so far in 2008...

Bush to blame?.........da

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain's lackluster voter support...
Immoral, unnecessary Iraq war...
Million homes forclosed upon....
Highest inflation in 20 years....
Gas at $4.11 gallon...
500,000 jobs lost so far in 2008...

Bush to blame?.........da

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain's lackluster voter support...
Immoral, unnecessary Iraq war...
Million homes forclosed upon....
Highest inflation in 20 years....
Gas at $4.11 gallon...
500,000 jobs lost so far in 2008...

Bush to blame?.........da

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

So Tyrone, What do you know about the oil industry? TreeHuggers, huh? You need to read books about the oil industry or go up and work on the NorthSlope, "Where's That?" Look it is simple fix, America needs new Oil Refineries not more oil, Alaskan Oil is high sulfer content, One refinery in the US the rest goes to Japan to be refined and we buy it back Gasoline, To drill in Anwar it would take ten yrs to see a drop of Oil we don't have the capacity to refine DUH!! Gulf of Mexico crude is light sweet the same kind of Oil in the Kingdom, If we build new high Teck Refineries on closed Military bases in the mid west or west coast that would take the prices at the pump down More supply on hand, Ask your grand ole party why they give tax breaks for R and D on Refinery Construction but no Refinery has been built since 1976? You should be Quiet and let people think you are idiot then open your mouth and spout incredibly stupid things, You sound like a Fox news sound byte

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INTRODUCTION

When American Vice-President Dick Cheney said that the 'war on terrorism' could last for fifty years or more, his words evoked George Orwell's great prophetic work, Nineteen Eighty-Four. We are to live with the threat and illusion of endless war, it seems, in order to justify increased social control and state repression, while great power pursues its goal of global supremacy. Washington is transformed into 'chief city of Airstrip One' and every problem is blamed on the 'enemy', the evil Goldstein, as Orwell called him. He could be Osama bin Laden, or his successors, the 'axis of evil'.

In the novel, three slogans dominate society: war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. Today's slogan, 'war on terrorism', also reverses meaning. The war is terrorism. The most potent weapon in this 'war' is pseudo-information, different only in form from that Orwell described, consigning to oblivion unacceptable truths and historical sense. Dissent is permissible within 'consensual' boundaries, reinforcing the illusion that information and speech are 'free'.

The attacks of September 11, 2001 did not 'change everything', but accelerated the continuity of events, providing an extraordinary pretext for destroying social democracy. The undermining of the Bill of Rights in the United States and the further dismantling of trial by jury in Britain and a plethora of related civil liberties are part of the reduction of democracy to electoral ritual: that is, competition between indistinguishable parties for the management of a single-ideology state.

Central to the growth of this 'business state' are the media conglomerates, which have unprecedented power, owning press and television, book publishing, film production and databases. They provide a virtual world of the 'eternal present', as Time magazine called it: politics by media, war by media, justice by media, even grief by media (Princess Diana).

The 'global economy' is their most important media enterprise. 'Global economy' is a modern Orwellian term. On the surface, it is instant financial trading, mobile phones, McDonald's, Starbucks, holidays booked on the net. Beneath this gloss, it is the globalisation of poverty, a world where most human beings never make a phone call and five on less than two dollars a day, where 6,000 children die every day from diarrhoea because most have no access to clean water.

In this world, unseen by most of us in the global north, a sophisticated system of plunder has forced more than ninety countries into 'structural adjustment' programmes since the eighties, widening the divide between rich and poor as never before. This is known as 'nation building' and 'good governance' by the 'quad' dominating the World Trade Organisation (the United States, Europe, Canada and Japan) and the Washington triumvirate (the World Bank, the IMF and the US Treasury) that controls even minute aspects of government policy in developing countries. Their power derives largely from an unrepayable debt that forces the poorest countries to pay $100 million to western creditors every day. The result is a world where an elite controls 80 per cent of humanity's wealth.

Promoting this are the transnational media corporations, American and European, that own or manage the world's principal sources of news and information. They have transformed much of the 'information society' into a media age where extraordinary technology allows the incessant repetition of politically 'safe' information that is acceptable to the 'nation builders'. In the West, we are trained to view other societies in terms of their usefulness or threat to 'us' and to regard 'cultural' differences as more important than the political and economic forces by which we judge ourselves. Those with unprecedented resources to understand this, including many who teach and research in the great universities, suppress their knowledge publicly; perhaps never before has there been such a silence.

The New Rulers of the World sets out to explain something of this new 'order' and the importance of breaking the silence that protects great power and its manipulations, notably the current 'war'. There are four essays, beginning with 'The Model Pupil'. This is the story of how the 'global economy' in Asia was spawned in the bloodbath that brought General Suharto to power in Indonesia in 1965-66. It draws on recently released documents that describe a remarkable meeting in 1967 of the world's most powerful corporate figures, at which they carved up the Indonesian economy, sector by sector.

'This was done in the most spectacular way,' Jeffrey Winters, professor at Northwestern University, Chicago, told me. 'They divided up into five different sections: mining in one room, services in another, light industry in another, banking and finance in another ... You had these big corporate people going around the table, saying [to Suharto's people] this is what we need: this, this and this, and they basically designed the legal infrastructure for investment in Indonesia.'

As a result, a mountain of copper and gold, nickel and bauxite, was handed out to American transnational companies. A group of American, Japanese and French companies got the tropical forests of Sumatra; and so on. I asked one of Suharto's representatives at the 1967 meeting, Emil Salim, if anyone had mentioned that up to a million people had died violently in bringing the new 'global economy' to Indonesia. 'No, that was not on the agenda,' he replied. 'We didn't have television then.'

The greatest massacre of the second half of the twentieth century was not so much news as cause for celebration. The world's fourth most populous country was 'ours'. Suharto's ascendancy was 'the West's best news in years'. James Reston, the doyen of American columnists, told readers of the New York Times that the bloody events in Indonesia were 'a gleam of light in Asia'.

In our universities, Indonesian scholars approved Suharto's big lie about a 'communist coup' being the cause of the killings, while western corporations anointed his regime's 'stability'. The silence lasted more than a quarter of a century, until it was broken by the cries of Suharto's victims in East Timor: a second genocide conducted with western military backing.

This chapter draws on my documentary film, The New Rulers of the World, broadcast in 2001, from which this book's title is taken. 'New' needs qualifying. The narrative that links all four chapters is the legacy of the 'old' imperialism and its return to respectability as globalisation' and the 'war on terrorism'. The 'new rulers' are sometimes misunderstood to be the great transnational corporations, mostly American, that dominate 'world trade'. Certainly, their enormity and scale of operations are new, with the Ford Motor Company now bigger than the economy of South Africa and General Motors wealthier than Denmark.

However, the widely held belief among anti-globalisation campaigners that the state has 'withered away' is misguided, along with the view that transnational corporate power has replaced the state and, by extension, imperialism. As the Russian dissident economist Boris Kagarlitsky points out, 'Globalisation does not mean the impotence of the state, but the rejection by the state of its social functions, in favour of repressive ones, and the ending of democratic freedoms.'

The chapter 'The Great Game' seeks to illuminate the ways in which this disguised state power provides the conditions and privileges that protect western markets while allowing western corporations to intervene where they like in the world, as they did in Indonesia. Today, the imperial state's enduring power is both as 'hidden hand' and iron fist of rampant capital.

The capacity of the American military machine to smash impoverished countries is undisputed, conditional on the absence of American ground troops and their substitution by local or allied forces. The exception was Vietnam. Regardless of their B-52 bombers, napalm, chemical defoliants and weight of numbers, American troops could not match the knowledge and tenacity of a people prepared to see off an invader. This was their imperial lesson.

Thus, in Afghanistan, to date only a handful of Americans have been killed. Mujaheddin commanders reported B-52s destroying villages 'too small to be marked on any map', with 'perhaps more than 300 people killed' in one night. In a family of forty, only a small boy and his grandmother survived, reported Richard Lloyd Parry of the Independent.' Out of sight of the television cameras, 'at least 3,767 civilians were killed by US bombs between October 7 and December 10 ... an average of sixty-two innocent deaths a day', according to one study; and this in a country whose last annual budget S 8 3 million - was one-tenth the cost of a B- 5 2 bomber.

This has been reported in the supporting media as a 'vindication', a triumph of ideas, of good over evil, with editorialists and the usual windbag columnists calling for apologies from those who defied the propaganda. At the time of writing, not a single member of the al-Qa'ida leadership, including the Chief Demon bin Laden, has been captured or, to anyone's knowledge, killed. Neither has the Secondary Demon Mullah Omah, leader of the Taliban, been sprung. Indeed, none of those directly implicated in the September 11 attack on America was Afghan; most were Saudis, trained in Germany and the United States, and none has been brought to justice; yet thousands of innocent people in dusty, unseen villages have been subjected to capital punishment without trial, Texas-style, and many more will be maimed over the years by tens of thousands of unexploded cluster bombs.

Moreover, the change in Afghanistan itself is minimal. Women still dare not go unveiled, and warring feudalism reigns. 'The Taliban used to hang the victim's body in public for four days,' said the new, American-installed regime's Minister of justice. 'We will only hang the body for a short time, say fifteen minutes, after a public execution.'

Describing this as a triumph is like lauding the superiority of the German war machine as a vindication of Nazism. In the media age, ignorance is strength and omission standard practice. Mere examination of the root causes of September 11 invites smear. David McKnight, an Australian journalist and academic, wrote that 'people like John Pilger and Noam Chomsky appear to absolve the [September 11] perpetrators of their crime'. I had written in The Guardian: 'The truth [about September 11] is that the killing of thousands of innocent people is not justified in America, or anywhere else.' To McKnight and those he echoes, the killing of thousands of innocents in Afghanistan is 'the global equivalent of police raiding the hide-out of the criminal', involving 'a violent confrontation that is sometimes unavoidable in apprehending criminals'.

That Afghan peasants have the same right to life as New Yorkers is unmentionable, a profanity. The murderous demolition of their villages, with not a Taliban or al-Qa'ida fighter in sight, is 'unavoidable'. In other words, certain human lives have greater worth than others and the killing of only one set of civilians is a crime. The terrorists of Osama bin Laden and George W Bush are sustained by this ancient lie.

They are also joined by history. The CIA's 'Operation Cyclone' trained and armed at least 35,000 zealots who became the Taliban and al-Qa'ida. As John Cooley writes in his definitive Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, 'Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's Government supported the [American- funded] jihad with full enthusiasm', much of it coordinated by an M16 officer in Islamabad. Osama bin Laden was given 'full rein'. The cost to the American tax-payer was $4 billion. Rescuing these facts ought to be the job of journalists and scholars, but this has not happened.

At the height of the bombing of Afghanistan, the Observer paid tribute to its great publisher and editor, David Astor, who had died. In opposing the British attack on Suez in 1956, Astor, said the paper, 'took the Government to task for its bullying and in so doing defined the Observer as a freethinking paper prepared to swim against the tide of popular sentiment.' Astor had described 'an endeavour to reimpose nineteenth-century imperialism of the crudest kind'. He wrote: 'Nations are said to have the governments they deserve. Let us show that we deserve better.' The Observer commented that 'the richness of the language and relevance of the sentiments resonate today'. The words were almost surreal, the irony exquisite. The Observer supported the Blair Government's 'endeavour' in Afghanistan.

This book continues a strand in my earlier books, Heroes, Distant Voices and Hidden Agendas, which compared the actions of politicians in western democracies with those of criminal tyrants. In cause and effect, the crucial difference is distance from the carnage, and the dissemination of an insidious propaganda that says a crime is not a crime if 'we' commit it. It was not a crime to murder more than half a million peasants with bombs dropped secretly and illegally on Cambodia, igniting an Asian holocaust. It was not a crime for Bill Clinton and George W Bush, Tony Blair and his Tory predecessors to have caused the deaths in Iraq of 'more people than have been killed by all weapons of mass destruction in history', to quote the conclusion of an American study.

Their medieval blockade against twenty-two million people, now in its twelfth year, is the subject of the chapter 'Paying the Price'. The facts are not in dispute, though rarely published. A report by the United Nations Secretary- General in October 2001 says that the obstruction of $4 billion of humanitarian supplies by the US and British governments is by far the main cause of the extreme suffering and deaths in Iraq. The United Nations Children's Fund, Unicef, says that every month up to 6,000 children die mostly as a result of the blockade. This is twice the total number of deaths in the Twin Towers and another vivid reminder of the different value of different lives. The Twin Towers victims are people. The Iraqi children are unpeople.

At the time of writing, Iraq is likely to be attacked by the US. Using sections of the American and British press as 'conduits', American intelligence has successfully created what the CIA in Indochina used to call a 'master illusion'. This is the threat of Iraq's 'weapons of mass destruction'. There is no proof or credible evidence of any such threat, which has been denied by the former United Nations inspector in Iraq, Scott Ritter.

However, the Iraqi 'threat' is central to the Bush administration's post-September I I strategy of 'total war'. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's instructions to the Pentagon to 'think the unthinkable' may well cause non-Americans, at least, to worry that the world's only superpower has been taken over by fundamentalists whose fanaticism promises human carnage on a scale that makes amateurs of the Taliban.

In Washington, the 'oil group' under George W Bush and VicePresident Cheney (George Bush Senior, like Cheney and others in his Cabinet, was a consultant to the Carlyle Group, which advised the bin Laden family) is increasingly influenced by the Defense Policy Board (DPB), a semi-official panel that advises Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz. Known in Washington as the 'Wolfowitz cabal', the group draws together the extreme right of American political life and is responsible for the inspiration behind the 'war on terrorism', principally a concept of 'total war'.

One of the group's 'thinkers', Richard Perle, a cold war planner in the Reagan administration, offered this explanation. 'No stages,' he said. 'This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq, then we take a look around and see how things stand. This is entirely the wrong way to go about it ... If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war ... our children will sing great songs about us years from now.'

The pursuit of the criminals of September 11 is not enough. 'Terrorism' demands endless war. A replacement for the 'red scare' has at last been found, justifying a permanent war footing and paranoia, and construction of the greatest military machine ever: the 'National Defense Missile Programme'. This, says the US Space Command, will ensure the 'full spectrum dominance' of the world.

This means complete military mastery, which is likened in Pentagon literature to the European navies' dominance of both the northern and eastern hemispheres in the nineteenth century. It does not end there. These words are already applied in other areas, notably the control of all economic life, the composition, or 'internal wiring', as the New York Times put it, of foreign governments and the redefinition of dissent as an 'international security concern'.

This is expressed more openly and crudely than ever before, notably by a select group of literate oafs in the American press. In an article entitled 'Unilateralism is the key to our success', Charles Krauthammer of the Washington Post described the world in the next fifty years as one without protection against nuclear attack or environmental. damage for the citizens of any country except the United States; a world where 'democracy' means nothing if its benefits are at odds with American 'interests'; a world in which to express dissent against these 'interests' brands one a terrorist and justifies surveillance, repression and death. As Drew Whitworth pointed out, these beliefs are indistinguishable from those of Osama bin Laden, 'carried forward by a few men without a mandate'.

There is an echo of the 'Thousand Year Reich' about this, first promoted in an American context by Henry Luce's bellicose proclamation, in 1941 in Time, of an 'American Century'. In the United States, academic-populists once again dispense a Reader's Digest view of the world, such as Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilisations and, more recently, Victor Davis Hanson's Why the West Has Won, with its call to 'civic militarism'. In none of these texts, which emphasise 'cultural' supremacy, is there recognition that the imperialist imperatives of the American Century have undermined the greatest western achievement, that of secular, redistributive politics, and allowed the maelstrom stemming from American violence, along with introspective, revengeful reli ion, to fill the gaps.

This book argues that we urgently need antidotes to a propaganda that beckons dangers no less than those of the cold war.
We need an awareness of lethal double standards: that 'international law' and 'international community' are often merely the preserves of great power, not the expression of the majority. The United States can mount a posse (known as a 'coalition') to attack countries, while the numerous LIN General Assembly resolutions calling for justice in Palestine are not worth the paper they are written on. We also need to examine the common use of 'we' and its appropriation by great power. If 'we' are to fight terrorism, then 'we' must call on the United States to end its terror in the Middle East, Colombia and elsewhere. Only then can 'we' make the world a safer place.

The final chapter, 'The Chosen Ones', which contrasts Olympian imagery with the reality of indigenous lives in my own country, Australia, follows on from and borrows from my 1989 book, A Secret Country, and my 1999 film, Welcome to Australia. I have been writing about and filming the struggle of the Aboriginal people for more than thirty years; and I am still moved and shocked by the unresolved apartheid behind the picture postcard of Australia.

A universal breaking of silence is exemplified in the Aboriginal struggle. The reawakening among many Aborigines, in politics, the law and the arts especially, is the achievement of some of the most tenacious and courageous activists anywhere. They are Renaissance men and women, who face one of the most intransigent and meanest political establishments. Sometimes, emerging from yet another meeting with nodding politicians, they lose heart; and, like so many of their young people, die by their own hand. Rob Riley, a courageous indigenous leader, was one who died this way.

One of my oldest friends, Charlie Perkins, Australia's Martin Luther King, lived past the age of sixty, an amazing achievement for one whose people more often than not die in their thirties and forties. It was Charlie who led the 'freedom rides' of the sixties into Australia's equivalent of the American Deep South, chaining himself to the turnstiles of swimming pools that refused to admit black children. His last, long interview with me is published here.

On our first visit to Alice Springs together, in 1969, Charlie's mother, Hetti, who was a queen of the Arrente people, suggested we gain entry to an Aboriginal 'reserve', a concentration camp in the bush, by revving the car and ramming the gate, which we did. This book is a tribute to those, like Charlie and Hetti, whose actions shame the silent and defy the myth of apathy.

They represent worldwide movements of people with little: in India the 300,000-strong, all-female Self Employed Women's Association (SEWA); in Brazil the Landless People's Movement; in Mexico the Zapatistas. Their victories, usually unrecognised in the West, are often epic. In Bolivia's third city, Cochabamba, ordinary people took back their water from a corporate conglomerate, after the World Bank had pressurised the Bolivian government into privatising the public water supply. Having refused credit to the public water company, the bank demanded that a monopoly be given to Aguas del Tunari, part of International Water Limited, a British-based company half-owned by the American engineering giant Bechtel.

Granted a forty-year concession, the company immediately raised the price of water. In a country where the minimum wage is less than $100 a month, people faced increases in their water bills of $20 a month - more than water users pay each month in the wealthy suburbs of Washington, home to many World Bank economists. In Cochabamba, even collecting rainwater without a permit was now illegal.

So they organised; young and old, activists and those who, as Marcela Lopez Levy wrote, had previously been 'too busy surviving to get involved'. She spoke to Marcelo Rojas, who became one of the leaders. 'I had never taken an interest in politics before,' he said. 'My father is a politician, and I thought it was all about cutting deals. But to see people fighting for their water, their rights, made me realise there was a common good to defend, that the country can't be left in the hands of the politicians! He was arrested and tortured by the police, as were many young people who built barricades and protected the old when the authorities attacked. They took over their city and they won. The government tore up the contract, and the company cleared its desks.

Epic victories of that kind, all over the world, are not part of the media agenda. Argentina is reported as chaos, not as a struggle with connections to our own fives. The struggle of journalists in Turkey for a free press, of trade unionists in Colombia and the new 'tiger' unions in East Asia are little known in the West. In Indonesia, the IMF may have delivered an expedient coup de grace to the genocidist Suharto, but it was extraordinarily brave people, like Dita Sari and Daniel Indra Kusurna, to whom this book is dedicated, who broke the long silence and faced guns and armoured vehicles supplied by the dictator's friends, notably the British government.

In South Africa, it was young people, like those at Soweto in 1976, who faced the 'Hippos', the hideous armoured vehicles from which the police killed and wounded indiscriminately. Study Paul Weinberg's historic photograph of a lone woman standing defiant between two of these monsters, as they rolled into her township; her arms are raised, her fists are clenched. The negotiators played a part, but it was those like her who defeated apartheid.

The list is endless and a source of optimism in these politically surreal times. Contrary to myth, people are seldom compliant. In a survey of thirty countries, Gallup found that the majority opposed the bombing of Afghanistan and military violence as a means of bringing terrorists to justice. For all the propaganda of 'news', the attempts to turn state murder into a morality play, people remain sceptical, at least. There is a critical public intelligence, which journalists would do well to respect. That the real terror is poverty, from which some 24,000 people die every day, is beyond public dispute.

Following September 11, Robin Theurkauf, a lecturer in international law at Yale University, wrote, 'Terrorist impulses ferment in poverty, oppression and ignorance. The elimination of these conditions and the active promotion of a universal respect for human rights must become a priority'. She lost her husband, Tom, in the Twin Towers.

John Pilger,
February 2002


Posted by: oh, what the heck...it's just propagandists talking to each other... | July 7, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER the current fiasco/regime STARTED?

probably not, it was actually more than a few years ago.

key player:
GEORGE H.W. Bush Sr., son of NAZI SUPPORTERS DURING WARTIME, hehas purportedly been involved inthe CIA since BAY OF PIGS, Zapata OIL days....connections through his fathers and families interests and CIA/MAFIA/OIL/DRUGS since the early 1950's...

George H.W. Bush Sr.:
sent APRIL GLASPIE to Iraq, who with a nod and a wink told Saddam that his border dispute with Kuwait could be settled with military force and the U.S. would look the "other way." a lie, aruse, a deceit.

Saddam invades Kuwait, we now have an official reason to be there....HOT DAWG!!!
looks like we'll establish a presence in Kuwait, we already have one in Saudi/Turkey...our CIA trains al QUEADA, did bushes CIA train the 9/11 pilots.

Saudi Royals were given the rights to Saudi Arabia by the Brits after WWII, the SAUDI Royals were put into power BYTHEBRITS...

Protecting the Kuwaiti's??????????:
We go into Iraq with Stormin Norman....and kill 400,000 thousand Iraqis and

STOP SHORT OF Bagdhad....you know why, WE'RE GOING BACK...that's why we stopped...


and now that we occupy, are embedded in Kuwait,
we put the country of Iraq into a stasis with embargoes, until we need to harvest it,

the world economy is shifting and things are ripe....China Pakistan, and India are emerging...

THEN, the family needed to intervene....in this case the international riche, which includes the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and the US Affluent that stand to make a bit of cash....mind you the Germans, English and French have their hands in this...but your buddy dubya, is the gawdfathers only VISIBLE son....but the others worked behind the scences...opening security systems, fixing elections...


so U.S.A. intervenes on NATIONAL TELEVISION...bombs going off, constant coverage, city surrounded, surveillance on every living thing that's bigger than a booger..


and somehow, miracle of miracles, like the virgin mary turning up on your french toast:
Saddam escapes from Bagdhad with THREE [3] tractor trailer LOADs of cash.

$9 BILLION$ in CASH right? Anyone in dubyas extended family gotten riche lately?

the museums were emptied right? ha ha ha...that's rich.

as far as conspiracy goes,

there never was a CIA/NORIEGA/BUSH Sr. connection right? and the Chilean president wasn't asassinated in DC with full CIA knowledge, while POOPPY WAS DIRECTOR, and where'd that white up George W. Bushes nose come from? NORIEGA????

the thing of it is,
the United States suckered, under George H.W. Bush, Saddam Hussein into attacking Kuwait, so we could be the "heroes", and become military occupiers...to lead us to this point....


walking down the road with no impetus to replacing our dependence on oil, a non-renewable resource....because it's not to the benefit of the countries leaders

this has a lot to do with _families_ working together _not related by blood_, as well as politics that don't include you as a positive recipient of thier efforts, as well as...

helping you to understand that it isn't all cowboy hats and honesty leading you...

Saddam was deliberately mislead into attacking Kuwiat, by President George H.W. Bush, we indicated that we would look the other way if Saddam wanted to reacquire some land and oil wells that he thought the Kuwiatis had taken.....so we would have an excuse to extend our influence.

did we tell Saddam Hussein the truth?

no.

it wasn't to our advantage.

the bushes intimately understand the middle eastern tribe mentality, they have trbal mentality, they protect and work with their own....they use the government to get what they want for their tribe

ps. you're not included in their tribe....

morons in charge and morons voted them in...using demagoguery as a political tool needs to be exposed....predjudice as a tool.

you want a better country quit pandering to morons and pandering to hate.....

the point of it is, the bush family, is trying to bury some information that needs to be understood

the ultimate threat to this country is dis_information and people who spew it.


I would suggest that those who would use thier governmental office for personal gain at the expense of the citizens lose thier citizenship, and be charged with treason and their properties confiscated....

intimidation as control shouldn't be tolerated....
read the bill of rights, the right to bear arms was specifically inserted into the Bill of Rights to prevent the United States from being taken over from within, which is what has happened....

that's the point, a dictatorship and a congress that takes advantage of citizens, doesn't deserve to serve....

Posted by: hey dubmaesses | July 7, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"For the first time in the country's history the people MAY elect a liar, an enemy-sympathizer, a pretender and a plagiarist as president."

Wow. Were you dropped on your head as a baby Nnamdi? You honestly believe that every single president we have had has told nothing but the Truth, and that Barack Obama will be the ONLY president (if and when elected) to ever lie to the public? You have the past 8 years to show you the effects of Bush's lying ass. Barack Obama is an intelligent man, and an insult such as that does not even deserve to be posted...and whats sad is that you are probably teaching your kids your so called "Logic". God help us all.

Posted by: BeSmart | July 7, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER the current fiasco/regime STARTED?

probably not, it was actually more than a few years ago.

key player:
GEORGE H.W. Bush Sr., son of NAZI SUPPORTERS DURING WARTIME, hehas purportedly been involved inthe CIA since BAY OF PIGS, Zapata OIL days....connections through his fathers and families interests and CIA/MAFIA/OIL/DRUGS since the early 1950's...

George H.W. Bush Sr.:
sent APRIL GLASPIE to Iraq, who with a nod and a wink told Saddam that his border dispute with Kuwait could be settled with military force and the U.S. would look the "other way." a lie, aruse, a deceit.

Saddam invades Kuwait, we now have an official reason to be there....HOT DAWG!!!
looks like we'll establish a presence in Kuwait, we already have one in Saudi/Turkey...our CIA trains al QUEADA, did bushes CIA train the 9/11 pilots.

Saudi Royals were given the rights to Saudi Arabia by the Brits after WWII, the SAUDI Royals were put into power BYTHEBRITS...

Protecting the Kuwaiti's??????????:
We go into Iraq with Stormin Norman....and kill 400,000 thousand Iraqis and

STOP SHORT OF Bagdhad....you know why, WE'RE GOING BACK...that's why we stopped...


and now that we occupy, are embedded in Kuwait,
we put the country of Iraq into a stasis with embargoes, until we need to harvest it,

the world economy is shifting and things are ripe....China Pakistan, and India are emerging...

THEN, the family needed to intervene....in this case the international riche, which includes the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and the US Affluent that stand to make a bit of cash....mind you the Germans, English and French have their hands in this...but your buddy dubya, is the gawdfathers only VISIBLE son....but the others worked behind the scences...opening security systems, fixing elections...


so U.S.A. intervenes on NATIONAL TELEVISION...bombs going off, constant coverage, city surrounded, surveillance on every living thing that's bigger than a booger..


and somehow, miracle of miracles, like the virgin mary turning up on your french toast:
Saddam escapes from Bagdhad with THREE [3] tractor trailer LOADs of cash.

$9 BILLION$ in CASH right? Anyone in dubyas extended family gotten riche lately?

the museums were emptied right? ha ha ha...that's rich.

as far as conspiracy goes,

there never was a CIA/NORIEGA/BUSH Sr. connection right? and the Chilean president wasn't asassinated in DC with full CIA knowledge, while POOPPY WAS DIRECTOR, and where'd that white up George W. Bushes nose come from? NORIEGA????

the thing of it is,
the United States suckered, under George H.W. Bush, Saddam Hussein into attacking Kuwait, so we could be the "heroes", and become military occupiers...to lead us to this point....


walking down the road with no impetus to replacing our dependence on oil, a non-renewable resource....because it's not to the benefit of the countries leaders

this has a lot to do with _families_ working together _not related by blood_, as well as politics that don't include you as a positive recipient of thier efforts, as well as...

helping you to understand that it isn't all cowboy hats and honesty leading you...

Saddam was deliberately mislead into attacking Kuwiat, by President George H.W. Bush, we indicated that we would look the other way if Saddam wanted to reacquire some land and oil wells that he thought the Kuwiatis had taken.....so we would have an excuse to extend our influence.

did we tell Saddam Hussein the truth?

no.

it wasn't to our advantage.

the bushes intimately understand the middle eastern tribe mentality, they have trbal mentality, they protect and work with their own....they use the government to get what they want for their tribe

ps. you're not included in their tribe....

morons in charge and morons voted them in...using demagoguery as a political tool needs to be exposed....predjudice as a tool.

you want a better country quit pandering to morons and pandering to hate.....

the point of it is, the bush family, is trying to bury some information that needs to be understood

the ultimate threat to this country is dis_information and people who spew it.


I would suggest that those who would use thier governmental office for personal gain at the expense of the citizens lose thier citizenship, and be charged with treason and their properties confiscated....

intimidation as control shouldn't be tolerated....
read the bill of rights, the right to bear arms was specifically inserted into the Bill of Rights to prevent the United States from being taken over from within, which is what has happened....

that's the point, a dictatorship and a congress that takes advantage of citizens, doesn't deserve to serve....

Posted by: jeeeeeeeeeeeezeus.... | July 7, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Its funny how people are bringing up Barack Obama's cocaine use...which he tried in his YOUTH and he admitted to trying...but nobody has brought up crazy ass Cindy McCAINS addiction to PAINKILLERS, and was stealing meds from her own organization...how is that for "SHOW ME WHO YOUR FRIENDS ARE AND I WILL SHOW YOU WHO YOU ARE"....

Posted by: CommonSense | July 7, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Actually go ahead and go to California to begin the experience of left policies. Widespread budget problems, some of the worst performing schools in the country, high crime, etc etc etc. It is a great example to see what not to become :)

Posted by: Cryos | July 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

" Anything that contributes to a huge Republican defeat in November is good for America."


Perhaps it will be. Time for the left to test its ideas and see if they work or not.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | July 7, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Poll quetion: Are you aware of Barack Obama's cocaine use?

If you are aware of it, please say "Yes I know Barack Obama has admitted to using cocaine."

If you are unaware of it, please say "No, I was not previously aware that Barack Obama has admitted to using cocaine."

(Disclaimer: The purpose of this online poll is to determine if the media is doing their job in reporting on Barack Obama's admitted use of cocaine)

Posted by: Online Poll | July 7, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm scared
NOW I'M MAD!

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Don't look at the issues America. Get caught up in the back ground noise and vote against your better interests. Vote for further deterioration of your wages and against a tax cut for you so that the upper 1% of our country can have one instead. Vote to make America the laughing stock of the world and a world power in demise. VOTE MCCAIN 2008! It's not only the stupidest thing you can do this November it's patriotic too!

Posted by: Olivia Villa | July 7, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

its called globalization. the usa is not a world leader anymore. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, democrats and repuklicans. though we will never become a third world country, the good ole usa is going through some tough transformation and our standard of living is going to continue to decrease for many years, recession? we need to get on par with the rest of the world, we no longer lead it nor should we police it. no help from bush and his croneys and war and fear tactics for 8 LONG YEARS. buckle in and ride it out. whoever gets in the white house will never be able to untangle the mess our current administration has left. [lies, deceit,unorthodox politics, war etc.]. tom clancy's "executive decision" would be our way out of this mess.

Posted by: pbjonwb | July 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Republicans and Democrats share a lot in common though a lot hate to admit it.

1. Moderates agree with many issues on both sides and tend to have to "choose a party" based on a limited set of issues highly important to them. These are the majority of voters in my opinion.

2. The right and left wing "extremists" are both based on "faith based politics."

On the right "god" is a supreme being with prophets varied on religion, and on the left "god" is idealist eutopia with media being the prophet. Both in my opinion lead to intolerance, unquestionable positions, and a lack of logic to support stances on issues.

Posted by: Cryos | July 7, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Michelle's middle name is not Shaniqua! I'm not an Obama fan, but let's be accurate here. Her name is Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama. These "Shaniqua" references are just racial put-downs. If you want to make fun of names, start with Hollywood. This blog is reserved for real issues. And this also goes for the guy who thinks Michelle looks like Sasquatch. Don't let the whole world know that you can't get a woman with nice, full hips to pay you any attention.

Posted by: dcp | July 7, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I defend my "Elephant Graveyard" analogy. Bivins response was silly.

Bivins attacks my posts because I am a blue-collar Democrat with a son in Iraq...He has called my son a coward in the past because he can't debate a position on substance.

Posted by: willandjansdad | July 7, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

aallen1 asked, "Are you sure these conservative activists aren't Obama supporters in disguise, trying to make Republicans look ridiculous?"

No way. Get serious, aallen1. Republicans can't be surpassed in making themselves look ridicuous. You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: gjhinHI | July 7, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Lol at my last post. One line should read

The democrats are run by neo-lib liberals* who represent just the extremist views of their party" not "the liberals are run by" lol.

I need a bit more coffee this morning ;)

Neither party has a good candidate for president in my opinion. However the power that be made sure both parties have someone that supports climate change initiatives aka global wealth redistribution.

You think 4 dollar gas is bad wait until it gets worse as we don't drill, build nuclear power or do anything to help alleviate the issues. Once we have a pro-Kyoto president in addition we can look forward to paying China and India to keep the lights on.

Posted by: Cryos | July 7, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah unfortunately both parties have bee hijacked and the people really have no good party to vote for.

The republicans are run by high spending neo-cons which in my opinion DO NOT represent most moderates/conservatives. This is why you see more conservatives voting liberitarian or not at all.

The liberals are run by neo-libs who represent just the extremist views of their party and seem to promote redistributing America's wealth to the rest of the world. This is why hopefully more level headed democrats will not vote or vote green or other parties.

The thing both have in common is fear mongering. Depending on your personal view you'll say one or the other is exclusive but in my opinion in reality its pretty evenly distributed. On the right you have national security and terrorism scare tactics and on the left it is the environmental "impending disasters" as well as "the children" and other issues.

Posted by: Cryos | July 7, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Sigh the defense for not drilling is pretty sad. "It's only X amount of oil so why bother" "It won't lower gas prices today", etc.

Are people really that shortsighted? Long run the answers in my opinion are alternative energy sources and conservation BUT FOR THE SHORT TERM AND TRANSITION we need more nuclear power, more refineries and increased domestic drilling.

Ideals don't produce power. If they did we'd have infinite energy from politicians' hot air alone. The inaction over the 30 years with oil refining capacity, nuclear power and oil drilling is a major contributor to our problems. I strongly implore those who disagree to please provide a logical basis for this argument since so far I can't find one.

"Drilling is bad" is not wrong since it an opinion but please don't try to deny the fact no drilling has economic consequences. Please think for yourself not think on the behalf of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the other do nothings in Congress who got elected/re-elected on the promise to lower gas prices and have done NOTHING to help and not even tried to approach the issue until election time.

Posted by: Cryos | July 7, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Nnamdi,

A true neocon, prostheletizing on all issues, and telling the rest of us how to live our lives. Your intolerance is a marvel and reminds us why McCain, the non-neocon, is the only Republican people are paying attention to.

Posted by: Liam Night | July 7, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Tyrone, I have been to Alaska. Have you? Took me 6 days of driving to get there from Rochester, NY. It's a long, long way from anywhere. It would cost so much money to get your infrastructure set up and the upfront investment, overhead - you would never clear anything by the time the first barrel of oil got shipped out. It's time to start thinking past gasoline, dude. Who killed the electric car? He's the Vice President of the united states and a former member of the board of Exxon-Mobil. His energy task force meetings that sold out this country are sealed and can't be opened. Who did you vote for in 00 and 04?

Posted by: BiffGriff | July 7, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

SCObserver, You are right.

Indeed reference to his middle name may be a disincentive to reasonable debate.

But in a rational society, where people reveal their real personalities, that would be a moot point. However, in a situation where someone is pulling the wool over people's eyes, then it may be necessary, but not imperative, to over-flog the issue. Maybe that will help some people to pull the facts together.

My name is hard to pronounce and also reveals my African heritage, but I do not use my middle name which is Emmanuel. Reason - I am proud of my heritage.

Let Mr. Obama then show us who he is and let the people elect him on that platform.

Mitt Romney gave a speech and said he would not deny his faith for the sake of the office. Obama gave a similar speech. Then he denied his radical pastors and when his campaign felt it was safe, he left his "church".

Now, I would not mind meeting Mr. Obama for a drink, but I don't think these facts qualify him for the honourable office for which his is running.

So, let the fellow continue with the emphasis on his middle name.

Remenber, if "they are not against us, they must be with us". Lets not be divided in this solemn effort.

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Olivia,
Please stop torturing logic as you have done in your preceding posts. Do you not realize that by always referring to Senator Obama in a manner that includes his middle name you give yourself away as one of the right wing lunatic fringe and embarass us Republicans who want a responsible issue-based campaign? I don't much care for my own middle name, but my parents chose it, I did not. Let's debate the real issues that matter to our nation's future.

Posted by: SCObserver | July 7, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

JVF, there is oil every where. The only reason why it is not drilled is because it may not be in "commercial quantity" to warrant the costly investment. There is enough oil in those areas and even the environmentalists are not contesting that fact.

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

you people who think that if only we could drill in ANWR or offshore are clueless. That oil is a drop in the bucket compared to our needs, and wouldn't necessarily stay in the US.

Not a winning issue, not a solution, and most voters know it.

Posted by: jvf | July 7, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

PRO-CHOICE?

CHOICE

C - Conveniently
H - Hampering
O - Our
I - Incipient
C - Children's
E - Existence

Until I find someone who is angry that his parents gave birth to him, I will remain and die Pro-life.

Also, as a parent, I know that there is nothing like family planning. No one knows when conception takes place. You can only cut your balls if you don't want kids. If you want to play, then kids may come and WE SHOULD ENSURE THAT WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. That is why babies don't conceive. If you can make a baby, you can also take care of him.

Quit the self-deception.

Men who support abortion do so because it gets them off the hook. Women who support it do so because they are what they claim they don't want to be, "pawns/victims on the beds of passion."

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

PRO-CHOICE?

CHOICE

C - Conveniently
H - Hampering
O - Our
I - Incipient
C - Children's
E - Existence

Until I find someone who is angry that his parents gave birth to him, I will remain and die Pro-life.

Also, as a parent, I know that there is nothing like family planning. No one knows when conception takes place. You can only cut your balls if you don't want kids. If you want to play, then kids may come and WE SHOULD ENSURE THAT WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. That is why babies don't conceive. If you can make a baby, you can also take care of him.

Quit the self-deception.

Men who support abortion do so because it gets them off the hook. Women who support it do so because they are what they claim they don't want to be, "pawns/victims on the beds of passion."

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't think McCain has anything to worry about. Obama is shedding liberals faster than McCain is shedding conservatives. Both candidates have been flip-flopping, but flip-flops are more detrimental for Obama than McCain. McCain has been around for so long that when he shifts, it's just some gradual evolution of sorts where he adapts to changing realities and facts. But Obama just jumped on the national scene. His shifts look more like freakazoid mutations. He leaves people thinking, "What the heck is he?"

Posted by: dcp | July 7, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Franny: Anger issues. What a convenient phrase for refering enemies to the psych ward.

I am yet to meet anyone without anger. Only people high on "grass" are reputed to lack rage.

I guess that makes Obama most qualified since he is familiar with crack and I suppose "grass".

My problem with that: How would I convince my son not to do it since Obama is celebrating the experience.

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

GOP has stumbled upon the drilling issue which could defeat Obama as Dems have no solution for oil crisis and are against anything that will solve problem.
Catholics are against Obama 57-43 not because McCain wants more war but because he is pro-life. Typical priests comments at Mass. "let us pray for an end to the war and that the troops come home. Let us pray for a pro-life president.' Both candidates are covered in those prayers. Being pro-life gains more traction among Catholics.

Posted by: mascmen7 | July 7, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad someone brought up temperment. McCain has a history of having a very bad temper. Sorry, but that shows he is NOT Presidential material. I do not want anyone with anger issues making important decisions for me, or my Country.

Posted by: franny | July 7, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Nelson, when I hear about media educated voters, I think of people like you.

I Bush and Cheney are not qualified to hold the offices they hold, is Obama's community activist resume enough.

If you don't think someone who beat two "smart" democrats in elections is smart, then the question is, 'how smart are you, Mr Nelson.'

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Olivia Villa, your vociferous post declaring Senator Obama to be unqualified to run for President is substantially flawed by one simple fact, and that being and any person born on US soil is a US citizen. The citizenship status of his parents is 100% irrelevant in this case.

It seems that waving your flag has impeded your capacity to actually read US Code TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER III, Part I, § 1401.

Posted by: Bryan Liff | July 7, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy, it's hot-air-headed people like you that make me stay on this board. How would you dismiss someone as racist merely because he expressed concern about the wife of a Presidential candidate of his country.

It would seem you must disagree with the saying, "Tell Me Who Your Friends Are and I Will Tell You Who You Are."

If you don't want to be judged, then don't get into politics.

And as for racism, will your Obama want to change places with the people who his militant cousin ( http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/03/obamas-militant-muslim-brother-abongo.html ) murdered in Kenya.

It is only in America that disagreeing with a blackman is racism. What an insult to my race.

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I think Mrs. Obama looks like Sasquatch in a dress.

Posted by: HonestAbe | July 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

McCain does not have support among Democrats; he does, however, have some support from individuals who in the past may or may not have voted for that cheap Hollywood vaudevillian.
No true Democrat will ever vote for a right-winger whose only claim to fame was serving in the military. If that is a qualification, where do cowards like Bush and Cheney stand?

Posted by: Nelson | July 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Tyrone, you are right on point.

And it would appear that it is only US trees and other natural scenery that are worth maintaining.

If I could, I will tell OPEC to spike the price as high as Obama wants ( http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/11/obama-id-like-higher-gas-prices-just-not-so-quickly/ ), since the people are so comfortable and spoilt.

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Diane: What racist planet did you fall from? The "they" about whom Michele Obama was speaking was the "Clintonites" and not the "whitey" as you have conjured up in your racist mind. And by the way the audience was not totally a "black" audience again as your racist mind supposed. Even if your thoughts were true, she, Mrs. Obama, is not a candidate for anything. News flash, it is her husband who is the candidate. If you are married (I strongly doubt it), do you and your husband always agree on everything? Why are you racists manufacturing stuff against Obama? Why don't you put your white sheet back in the closet and come clean? Say - in explicit terms - what is in your heart and on your mind. Let me help you. You seem to be saying that it is wrong for the Obama's to be racist but it is o.k. that you exhibit your racism. Well there has been nothing uttered by the Obamas to support your small minded theory. Get a grip; get a life; and come into the 21st century.

Posted by: Jimmy | July 7, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Wow. So many angry people out there are willing to say anything, no matter how crazy. I like to think that I am willing to consider all sides of an argument and not create facts just to bolster my position. It would be nice if we could do some homework first before we spout off. That's not the American way is it? Me first, you last, if at all. Good luck to us; we need it.

Posted by: mattr | July 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I wonder when Michelle Shaniqua Obama's "whitey" tape will surface. I think the Republicans will release it in October. It would not make sense to release it now. I know the Obama people dimiss it as a hoax but that is what they want you to beleive. Michelle Obama is a race baiter. Did you hear her speech in NC? SHe kept saying throughout her speech that "they are trying to raise the bar", "they keep moving the goal post", "they, they, they" ("They" is code for "Whitey") Everytime she would say these lines you would hear the audience reply, "uh huh", "that's right", "amen", "I heard that" (obviously a black audience).

Posted by: Dianne72 | July 7, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Noclevername, that was an almost intelligent statement.

But I thought "Fascism" was a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator or a quasi-disctator, with stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship.

That sounds like the Democrats' bid to have the government run everything. Did you hear of the suggestion to nationalize the oil companies. For once, I thought I was in a third world country.

Also, fascim has some elements of nationalism and racism in it. And of the two parties, I would think it is clear that the democrats have been playing and accusing themselves (during the primaries)of playing the race card.

As relates to nationalism, it is wrong only when misconstrued. Most of the democrats kicking for amnesty in immigration on behalf of the poor have not considered that the influx of immigrants will diminish the job opportunities of their poor political dependants.

And that is the party that wants to produce the next president.

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

There is so much demonization of the "other" side I think we should rename the Republicans, Fascists, and the Democrats, Communists. Those terms would come closer to justifying the hatred displayed.

Posted by: noclevername | July 7, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

When Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time." He was talking to a rational America.

Obama has proved him wrong.

For the first time in the country's history the people MAY elect a liar, an enemy-sympathizer, a pretender and a plagiarist as president.

While he he may be the worst example for blacks, it will also show the foolishness of the majority of the populace.

Posted by: Nnamdi | July 7, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Republicans aren't conservatives and Democrats aren't liberals. The two major parties are simply two different clubs with the same goals and ambitions of power. We should outlaw political parties and let each candidate compete on their own merits and positions. Elected officials should be working for the public good, not the good of their party. If we eliminated political parties, maybe we could get a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Posted by: back to basics | July 7, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

CAN OBAMA LEGALLY BE PRESIDENT

Maybe we need to contact the Attorney General or our congressmen, and get them to look at it too! I received the message below and have searched for something to dispute it. There is nothing on SNOPES to dispute this.
CAN OBAMA BE PRESIDENT? It seems that Barack Hussein Obama is not qualified to be president, after all, for the following reason: Barack Hussein Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between. December 24,1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen, if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: 'If only one parent was a U.S citizen at The time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the Age of 16.' Barack Hussein Obama's father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama's mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means although she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of
Hawaii being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so, for at least
5 years **prior to** Barack Hussein Obama's birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn't matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Hussein Obama's birth
when she was 18 in Hawaii. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Hussein Obama's birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen As aforementioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not yrs 21 of age. Barack Hussein Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S.. Citizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office. *** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President***. Though Barack Hussein Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia.. Now you can see why Obama's aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I
think the Gov. Of California would be very interested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence. Stay tuned to your TV sets
because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next
several days. Interesting!! Now what? Who dropped the ball or are we all being
duped?? Who do you know whom you can forward this to who might be able to help answer this question? For the sake of the Country.


http://llerrah.com/iamyourflag.htm


Posted by: Olivia Villa | July 7, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

It's the tree huggers who keep us slaves to middle east oil. Tremendous oil reserves in Alaska. How many of these tree hugging liberals have actually BEEN to Alaska or every plan to go there in their life times?
The icecaps are uninhabitable by anything but penguins. Tell me how penguins are necessary for the global ecosystem. Drill the hell out of Alaska and put the Arabs in the poor house.
The problem with the tree huggers is that they smoke so much cannabis that their brains malfunction. Otherwise they'd understand common sense.

Posted by: Tyrone | July 7, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Did it matter, for instance, that David Axelrod, Obama's political mastermind, has worked for a firm that led a public relations effort for Excelon, the utility giant? Would anyone notice that the man who helped convince Obama to run, former Senator Tom Daschle, works for a lobbying firm? Should voters care that former lobbyists also populate Obama's staff and current lobbyists offer him unpaid advice? Obama doesn't take money from lobbyist. He's got enough from predatory lenders.

There will be a lot of Democrats and Independent liberals voting for McCain...
Have you heard the saying "you attract more bees with honey?" Try to attract them to the Republican Party because it is in the best interest of our Great Country. Especially when we must all come together at this Chaotic time in America. We are not all without comprehension, that this GREAT AMERICAN COUNTRY comes first (1ST) and our political party affiliation second (2ND)!

Obama does not have the slightest notion of what he will do to save our Great Country's economy, and standing in the world order...right now America seems to be the laughing stock, with the falling dollar, the increase of fuel, embroiled in a war that we must get out of as safely as possible, without leaving a mark on the Iraqi people that will embitter themand others towards Americans. Our American people must be kept safe here in America and all over the world. We must once again be an example of DEMOCRACY to be respected and followed throughout the world. The recent Democratic Congress is stagnate and worthless. They were put into office to do a job and the Democratic Congress has only assisted in putting their cronies in office so they can all get fat checks upon their retirement. Think about it, is this all they can manage to do is hand out money for campaigns to put Democrats into office where they will accomplish nothing
John McCain is clearly the candidate who is devoted to his country and it's people. He explains how to solve the issues facing the United States. He has proven his courage and worthiness and fights for the rights of the people. His experience in Washington gives him the inside edge to really make CHANGE happen. He has withstood attack upon personal attack but remains a tower of strength, while moving forth with integrity under fire.
However, beliefs are deeply rooted in this country, just read or listen to the media's so called journalists who have made John McCain's age an issue in this campaign. They spew hatred toward a heroic man who has the audacity to take action and make change happen. Face your fears of a powerful man and this will create dialogue. Fear not faced ultimately turns to hate. The media needs to take a long look in the mirror. Yes, it is ugly.

John McCain is the partner we need as a nation. I have faith and trust he will do everything in his power to help the people. Why? Because he has already proven his hard work ethic time, and time again in the past.

Posted by: Olivia Villa | July 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Did it matter, for instance, that David Axelrod, Obama's political mastermind, has worked for a firm that led a public relations effort for Excelon, the utility giant? Would anyone notice that the man who helped convince Obama to run, former Senator Tom Daschle, works for a lobbying firm? Should voters care that former lobbyists also populate Obama's staff and current lobbyists offer him unpaid advice? Obama doesn't take money from lobbyist. He's got enough from predatory lenders.

There will be a lot of Democrats and Independent liberals voting for McCain...
Have you heard the saying "you attract more bees with honey?" Try to attract them to the Republican Party because it is in the best interest of our Great Country. Especially when we must all come together at this Chaotic time in America. We are not all without comprehension, that this GREAT AMERICAN COUNTRY comes first (1ST) and our political party affiliation second (2ND)!

Obama does not have the slightest notion of what he will do to save our Great Country's economy, and standing in the world order...right now America seems to be the laughing stock, with the falling dollar, the increase of fuel, embroiled in a war that we must get out of as safely as possible, without leaving a mark on the Iraqi people that will embitter themand others towards Americans. Our American people must be kept safe here in America and all over the world. We must once again be an example of DEMOCRACY to be respected and followed throughout the world. The recent Democratic Congress is stagnate and worthless. They were put into office to do a job and the Democratic Congress has only assisted in putting their cronies in office so they can all get fat checks upon their retirement. Think about it, is this all they can manage to do is hand out money for campaigns to put Democrats into office where they will accomplish nothing
John McCain is clearly the candidate who is devoted to his country and it's people. He explains how to solve the issues facing the United States. He has proven his courage and worthiness and fights for the rights of the people. His experience in Washington gives him the inside edge to really make CHANGE happen. He has withstood attack upon personal attack but remains a tower of strength, while moving forth with integrity under fire.
However, beliefs are deeply rooted in this country, just read or listen to the media's so called journalists who have made John McCain's age an issue in this campaign. They spew hatred toward a heroic man who has the audacity to take action and make change happen. Face your fears of a powerful man and this will create dialogue. Fear not faced ultimately turns to hate. The media needs to take a long look in the mirror. Yes, it is ugly.

John McCain is the partner we need as a nation. I have faith and trust he will do everything in his power to help the people. Why? Because he has already proven his hard work ethic time, and time again in the past.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Dear American Voters, reporters, media. professionals, political parties, and our hon. Presidential Nominees,


Subject: Presidential Temperament

Please talk about and "Compare And Contrast" the " Presidential Temperament" of our Presidential presumptive nominees. I will also request and plead to the nominees themselves [ Hon. Senator McCain and Obama ].
Our nation has been applying this yard and stick tor the appointments and confirmation process of our Supreme Court Justices nominees.
Our Greatgrand Nation Foundations are as under:
Family, friends, fellows, faith, funds, fun, with fairness & freedom And without fear, favor, and failure.
It will be disgrace and shameful if the nominees and media will not look into this critical and crucial aspect under current challenging times and circumstances within our country and all around the Globe.

America wake up and the discuss the " Presidential Temperament" of our presumptive presidential nominee's [ Hon. Senator McCain and Obama].

Yours sincerely,
COL. A.M.Khajawall [Ret].
Disabled American Veteran
Forensic psychiatrist, Las Vegas, Nevada

PS: The critical issue is presidential VS Judicial Temperament. Talk and write about that>

Posted by: COL. A. M. Khajawall [Ret] | July 7, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Remember this quote from George Will on ABC's This Week.

"I will hold my nose and pull the lever".

Posted by: jerry rubin | July 7, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I know an old man in the mountains that was wise beyond his years. Patience, gather, and finally common sense will prevail. The Democrats have a more difficult problem as they do not know who they are or why. They are taken up by the idiotic radicals of the environmental groups who in the end demonstrate their true selves. They are not about the environment.

Posted by: Old Dust | July 7, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

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