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McCain, Georgia and Lobbying

John McCain's strong anti-Russia comments on the Georgia situation and the fact that his top foreign policy adviser is part owner of a lobbying firm that provides strategic advice to the Georgian government in Washington have produced a surge of anti-McCain comments.

A few commenters have whacked "WaPo" for keeping the lobbying information out of the story on McCain's remarks. The lobbying connection was reported in a separate article, which our Internet readers wouldn't necessarily have seen. Both articles were packaged on page A3 or the The Washington Post's print edition. But the way articles get found on the Internet has little to do with newspaper design. Another lesson for how we in the MSM still have much to learn about the difference between internet and broadsheet presentation.

There are few defenders of McCain in the comments on these articles; many readers cite his statement on Fox News that "We've seen this movie before in Prague and Budapest" as evidence that his well-documented quick temper makes him a significant gamble for president.

There are also a few comments attacking Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, as inexperienced in foreign matters.

We'll start with nimzodisaster, who wrote, "...Analysis: While McCain is posturing for political gain, his blustering rhetoric make dangerous foreign policy. Better to keep it cool and measured than boyish machismo. Final Analysis: McCain is not good at foreign policy as usually portrayed."

Cowabunga asked, "...Wonder if French President Nicolas Sarkozy has any ideas about Iraq. Conservative French president likes Obama. Not all conservatives are idiots, just the American brand."

ScottinNC said, "...Like Pres. Bush, Sen. McCain seems to think that talking tough and making idle threats is good politics... The US cannot lead an allied effort to apply political or economic pressure because we have neglected and even sabotaged our alliances..."

mrtutto wrote, "...Now we have McCain grandstanding. He scares me folks. If He had been President ,right now we would be fighting a war with Russia."

MarkARKleiman asked, "Why did you omit from the story the highly relevant fact that Randy Scheunemann, McCain's adviser, has been a paid lobbyist for the Georgian government, and his firm still has a contract with them? Do we really need a President who gets his foreign policy advice from people who are working for foreign governments?"

jhough1 said, "This is a genuinely bad article... How can it not report... that the adviser who praises McCain's knowledge is Georgia's lobbyist... We do not need simultaneous crusades against Iraq, Iran, and Russia, all the more so, when as Pearlstein says, Russia controls the oil and gas."

grummantbf said, "The Post is showing itself to be a true hack paper. Not even attempting to disguise its bias any more... This is a nonsense story just trying to raise the spectre of "evil Republican corruption" tied to McCain in the public's mind."

greentrain wrote, "Page 3 ? This is Front Page, screaming headline stuff. The guy wants to be President of the United States and he is taking advice from somebody on another country's payroll. Front Page. That's gotta be Front Page"

AugustWest1 wrote, "...Maybe we should let Barry make a decision. He would tell Putin to just take over any country he wants. Barry does not want to fight as he's too much of a wimp."

johne37179 defended McCain, writing, "McCain clearly demonstrates his knowledge of the region and the players while Obama recreates his version of Neville Chamberlain. The difference could not be clearer..."

But mgibbosh said, "In regards to Russian aggression, John McCain is talking loud and saying nothing. These conservatives and neocons reminds me of a barking dog chasing a car, the gist of the matter is his loud irritating bark which avail est nothing."

Osego wrote, "It's dumbfounding that McCain's reaction to the Georgia fighting is cheered by some as proof of his sound foreign policy credentials...I am surprised that...some Americans would still cheer a warmonger and want him to be president..."

Honest_Abe said, "McCain is an idiot. Does he realize that Georgia actually started this mess? Sure, Russia has overreacted but Georgia attacked the pro-Russian province of Ossetia first. Dolt."

sweetlandoliberty wrote, "...it is McCain's service in the Senate which makes him a better candidate that Obama, whose resume is so thin it practically disappears...The world remains dangerous, especially with too many ambitious men who seek to control it. Kumbya and hand-holding will not change that."

And birvin9999 said, "Be nice to The Messiah Obama. Don't be critical of his inexperience. Don't be critical of his loony wife. Don't be critical of his America hating preachers. Don't be critical of his saying nothing more than platitudes about hope and change. And IF you DO have the audacity to be critical, we have a solution for you: we call you a racist."

eaglechik wrote, "I wonder who McCain is going to get to fight his war with Russia. Maybe he is thinking that if we stand up, pound our chests and yell, USA, USA! they will just turn and run away."

cleancut77 saod, "I'm not particularly fond of Obama but there is no way I'm voting for this baffoon McCain. The last thing this country needs is a President who feels the military is the first in only option in settling international conflicts."

c1736 wrote:
so I hope the rest of the media will jump on this. He gets a free pass for so much of his undercover lobbying connections and actions. thank you for this articl..it is about time. He is not the president and has nerve acting like one. talk about uppity
8/13/2008 7:58:57 AM

gsross wrote:
Apparently, John McCain would not acknowledge a conflict of interest if it beat him about the head and face. Lobbyists are the engineers of the Not-So-Straight Talk Express and it appears they are all as crooked as they come. We don't really need an ethics expert to tell us that.
8/13/2008 1:06:43 AM

All comments on the McCain reaction are here.

All comments on the lobbyist connection are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  August 13, 2008; 8:03 AM ET
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Media is media. Parts are parts. Peace is peace. We the Media have our people and who says what can be good. It could bargain, the best bargain you ever had. United is pitching extra legroom for 14 bucks, so the ads say another thing. It's like a tall tax and then you find a woman with long legs and you are into 28 bucks extra on the jet so the two of you can get comfy. Time to fly, see you on the other jet set.

Posted by: deflag | August 15, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Saakashvilli's attack more and more seems to be well prepared and politically motivated. Just read this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSLE696364

Posted by: John | August 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Sue F. I think he did just that.

Love your comment! :)

Posted by: Just Judi | August 14, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

nathank, the comment section is not the media. Can't believe you said that.

Posted by: Puma Safari | August 14, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Georgian McCain?
Well, nobody likes Russians bombing Georgia, but why would you like Georgians killing Ossetians? You see, after pushing all Greek minority out of Georgia (Greeks moved to Greece) Georgians are using the same methods against other Minorities - Ossetians, Akhazians etc, Is it about Democracy? Not really.

Posted by: Plato | August 14, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I guess we are forewarned on how McCain would run the country using lobbyists with other interests in mind for their pocketbooks. Scheunemann's involvement should have told McCain to keep his moth shut, assuming that he knew what was going on in HIS world and campaign, which seems doubtful.

It does appear that Georgia started this fracas. When you bug the Russian bear and have a personal antagonism with him, prepare to get bitten.

Posted by: Gunther Steinberg | August 13, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Human error: Progress to see us through troubles.

Dinner is simmering and I can drink and write a little, for time is growing in the garden and I have a couple of money trees on the other side. The Georgia story is just starting. "Russian troops looted and set homes ablaze in Georgia on Wednesday amid mutual recriminations over breaches of a truce that ended five days of bitter conflict." When you have a military looting homes and setting them ablaze, we all have a problem with that and Russia has a bigger problem than they may know about. Now it's a crimewave against defenseless civilians and "Russian President Dmitry Medvedev Tuesday halted Moscow's offensive" so the problem is that of chain of command. You think you are in control as it gets more out of control. A big mess. "United Nations estimates some 100,000 people have been forced from their homes." This is going to be costly for the Russians in the future. All we have are mortgage problems and we are sending help for those done the injustice by Russia. There's justice in the world and it's easy to find here in the United States. It's our export and we always help, no matter the costs may be. We'll bear any burden and oppose any foe.

Posted by: deflag | August 13, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"Another lesson for how we in the MSM still have much to learn about the difference between internet and broadsheet presentation."
Troubled Times
"Time Inc. was in trouble. Two men with very different visions for its future fought for control of the company, and even as the company dipped its toe, gingerly, into new media, a big financial downturn was headed its way before the year was out. No, not 2006—things looked far worse for the company in February 1929, when the fledgling media company was also faced with the sudden death of the talented young Yale grad whose name had become synonymous with its flagship magazine. No, not Henry Luce, who would embody Time for later generations. In its formative years, Time’s presiding genius was Briton Hadden, who hailed from Brooklyn Heights." David Propson October 1, 2006

The last General from the Crimean War had died, so Brit wanted the story told and the editor was a bit puzzled. What is the story? Brit in Brooklynese says, it's not da General it's da war. He says, tell em all about it, tell em what the crime was.

The Time formula he invented was unique. The virtue of the newspaper was that it reported the news early. The virtue of Time was that it reported history early. Now we have a third dimension with this format, so it's going to continue to change. The reader gets to make more of a contribution for the good of the newspaper and magazine and in return we have a better informed public and your peace of mind. Some people don't want that, they don't even want it for you. "Harry Luce was Time's lightning; Brit Hadden its thunder." You need rain to grow good things and there's Heaven on Earth, so the flowers keep growing and each must tend their own garden. If you can share your garden, it's value is priceless. Newsprint makes good mulch, so keep the newspapers coming and we'll try to help you grow stories that feed and nourish the human spirit. Good things take time and progress see us through troubles. I need to go. Here it's time for dinner from the garden and drinks from Ireland. Be good and if you can't be good, be careful. Write a good peace and you have progress.

Posted by: deflag | August 13, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

“I haven't looked far into Saakashvili's documented political ideology but it is my understanding he is not hardline marxist which to me would put them far apart in idealogy”

no, he is not marxist – rather just a fanatic, warmonger and tyrant for whom any means are good as long as they lead to his delusional objectives.

McCain shares the same traits.

Saakashvili is a typical banana republic-type leader who was picked by neocons to be a puppet.

Posted by: alwaysaskQ | August 13, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Judging by these comments, the WaPo should be published in crayon. What a load of unmitigated, mindless, CRAP!

Posted by: Intelligence Anyone? | August 13, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"birvin9999 says if you criticize Obama you'll be called racist, illustrating an actual McCain strategy known as the "the ultimate race card".

By accusing Barack supporters of playing a race card they have NOT YET PLAYED, you can mislead some whites into thinking they have played it.

Voters who think being defined as a racist is a bigger problem that racism are the targets of this strategy.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 13, 2008 3:37 PM "

I disagree with this statement. I can't even count the number of times in forums I have been called racist for pointing out negative things with Obama that have nothing to do with race.

McCain calling Obama out for playing the race card was right on and a good strategy. I think that most people would agree Obama's statement were insinuation unless you are trying to be PC which I address in earlier posts and haven't seen any disagreement with on this thread.

We don't need the race issue being used by the Obama or McCain campaign and I think the strong McCain reaction nipped this issue in the bud.

Posted by: Cryos | August 13, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Now we have another hero – Saakashvili who shares the same ideals as his predecessor, albeit on a smaller scale."

I haven't looked far into Saakashvili's documented political ideology but it is my understanding he is not hardline marxist which to me would put them far apart in idealogy although that is simplifying the matter. The hero complex type thing to me is pretty common among a lot of people including what is going on with Obama in the US.

Sorry to have mischaracterized your statement; that wasn't my intention.

Posted by: Cryos | August 13, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

McCain. I could of told you that. I wonder if McCain is related to the McCain family ghost.?Check out the McCane family Ghost
http://www.mccanes.com/hauntedguide.html

Posted by: John | August 13, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

birvin9999 says if you criticize Obama you'll be called racist, illustrating an actual McCain strategy known as the "the ultimate race card".

By accusing Barack supporters of playing a race card they have NOT YET PLAYED, you can mislead some whites into thinking they have played it.

Voters who think being defined as a racist is a bigger problem that racism are the targets of this strategy.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 13, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Bush do talk the same tough talk that has promoted war, anger and division in the world......Our reputation has tanked and our president thinks everything is great....

We cant have another immature (mccains celebrity commercials), hot-headed (his temper) unintelligent, "my way or the hi-way" talking president.....

We need someone like obama who is getting endorsed by Republicans, who has shown he wants opposing opinions to make well educated decisions, and one who is widely accepted on the world stage.....also his policies are brilliant, especially the transparency laws on government.....

Obama08

Posted by: oregon4obama | August 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The BP oil company has a pipe line running through this part of the country. We are talking about OIL HERE.
Do you think that Bush the Chimp and MCCain the HERO are going to sit still and let the Russians take control of this pipe
line. We mite have to sacrifice a few more young men and women for the LOVE of OIL.
So, what they are not Bush or MCCains kids, who will do the fighting.

Posted by: Louis Levario | August 13, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Cowabunga makes an excellent point that self-identified conservatives in America make a venerable philosophy seem idiotic, their unconservative agenda being to use govt to impose their way of life on every American, if not every human.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 13, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

To Cryos:

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"And one more thing morons; Stalin was Georgian, not Russian. If any anyone in this conflict resembles Stalin it is countryman Saakashvilli."

I find this assertion strange. It appears you base similarities on nationality/race.
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No, the similarity is not in nationality/race, but rather in culture, ideals and ways of thinking. There is a huge statue on Gori’s central square to Dzhugashvili (known to the world as Stalin.) Even soviets could not remove it because locals considered him as a hero and it would be too dangerous to touch it. Now we have another hero – Saakashvili who shares the same ideals as his predecessor, albeit on a smaller scale.

I have many Georgian friends – they are great people, but some times they tend to follow a wrong leader.

To Jason:

*******************************
Here's my theory (question). You are an idiot. (?)
******************************

Are you?

Posted by: alwaysaskQ | August 13, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

(1)What did McCain do besides crash several American planes, and sit in prison? He did not heroically escape. He does make sure to collect that $60,000 a year disability check though. Which brings up (2)If he is so disabled he deserves an annual check 150% of the annual average wage in America. Where does he get off claiming to be fit enough to be President? If McCain is healthy enough to be President, return that money he has been scooping up!

Posted by: William Chandler | August 13, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"And one more thing morons; Stalin was Georgian, not Russian. If any anyone in this conflict resembles Stalin it is countryman Saakashvilli."

I find this assertion strange. It appears you base similarities on nationality/race. I think that someone's idealogy says much more of who they are than their nationality. Have we really gotten to the point we have to define people by something as simple as race/nationality and ignore things like idealogy which I think much more accurately defines who we are? Wow.

Posted by: Cryos | August 13, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

As an added note the reason I see political correctness as so dangerous is that it not only erodes at freedoms spelled out in our constitution and the bill of rights but it destroys the ultimate freedom the founding fathers didn't anticipate; freedom of thought.

Posted by: Cryos | August 13, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I am coming to the conclusion that political correctness has become the vehicle to destroy everything the US has stood for and is the #1 scare tactic employed today.

Liberal scare tactics like climate change and "big business" all live under the same umbrella.

Posted by: Cryos | August 13, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

1. Since when is supporting US allies a bad thing?

"Lobbying" has become a bad excuse for distracting people from the real issues. Why doesn't lobbying from extremist environmental groups that want to cripple the economy like the Sierra Club and Greenpeace receive the same negative attention as lobbying from energy companies?

In my opinion we have political correctness to thank for this. People talk about rights being taken away I would assert political correctness is more invasive to freedoms, rights and opinions than any other policy in recent US history. Prime example it isn't even PC to say that PC is bad.

2. Wbaere I think you present a very good analogy and scenario. What's funny is the need to post you're not "anti-immigration" (I do it too) I think is because of PC since PC says being "anti-immigrant" is bad and racist which is ridiculous. I think it is a perfect example of how PC is destroying our freedoms. PC also seems to be used to protect behaviors that can destroy the country so that we can't stop them.

Posted by: Cryos | August 13, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Churchhill said "the only thing we should fear is fear itself". Fear = McCain.

Posted by: Marilyn 1 kay | August 13, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

why the big nations are waiting to intervene and start a war with Russia. USA, UK, France, Germany, Turkey what are they waiting for. I like to see Our airoplanes throwing bombs over Moscow. Russia and its Leaders they will try to do anything to freeze us all to death by cutting consume of gas and oil.So what are we waiting for? Start now before it is too LATE!

Posted by: carmelo briffa | August 13, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Not One positive comment on McCain? And some people tell me there is no media bias towards Obama! Yeah, Right!!

Posted by: nathank | August 13, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain only knows war, and this is one thing he admits. When you posture for war, war is what you get. When your only option is war, war is your only option.

Thanks McCain, you are not even President yet and your big mouth is already setting the stage for conflict.

Other than McCain's involvement in arming Georgia (in exchange for them acting as one of our few allies in Iraq), and his reassurances to Georgia that NATO and the US would be behind them in any action they would take, this should not be a US only issue! But there he is opening his mouth on the world stage and MAKING SURE it is a US conflict.

Thanks McCain! Can't wait for your temper, loud mouth and snap judgments to be backed with your ability to engage US troops.

That should be fun for all!!!

Posted by: Dave | August 13, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Can someone cite where McCain advocates attacking Russia? Sending in humanitarian aid might not be a bad idea. Providing air cover for Tiblisi to keep a democracy from falling into a dictatorship, effectively cutting off all countries east of the Caspian from the West might not be a horrible thought. As long as the US doesn't strike first, then McCain's plan seems bold, but completely reasonable. Truth be told, if Bush hadn't been staring into Putin's eyes for 8 years this wouldn't have happened. McCain has been warning us all about Russia for years, and just like the surge it wasn't popular to say those things. And just like the surge, he has been vindicated.

Posted by: Mordecai | August 13, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Please consider the following when making up your mind whether a firm approach (aka war-mongering to some) makes sense:

Imagine a region, lets take Southern California, with a majority of inhabitants that are foreign nationals (Mexican) and beleive that the area historically belongs to the neighboring country. These foreign nationals feel threatened by their own host country and subsequently appeal to the Mexican government, who in turn feel its best to mobilize troops into Southern California to protect its citizens. The U.S. defends itself against the invasion but lives are lost and property destroyed. Do you still beleive that the issue should be 'discussed with all parties involved' or dealt with in a firm, swift manner with a clear path of who is right and who is wrong?

I haven't made up my mind on presidential candidates, but there is a time and place to take a stance without having to "examine all the diplomatic options".

(Please do not misconstrue this as an anti-immagration post--I am merely trying to illustrate a point by utlizing something closer to home).

Posted by: Wbaere | August 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

People better wake up and smell the crap! Yes crap, McCain's special buddy and foreign advisor a former Georgian lobbyist and part of the neocon think tank that was directly involved in starting the Iraq War, has his finger prints all over this little mess. What's so hard to believe, let's start a little something like having the Lobbyist friend the Prez of Georgia march into Ossetia, knowing all too well that Russia will react, and they did. So now McSame can run all over and tell everyone to beeeee afwaiiiid, beeee veweeee afwaaaaid cause the Russians are comin, let's bomb em! McCain has nothing, absoultely nothing to run on except WAR WAR AND MORE WAR. if the old geezer is that interested in War, he can simply get Bush to loan him his flight suit and fly on over to Russia himself!

Posted by: Sue F | August 13, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Lol WaPo is the worst news paper in the country by far, believe me I know, i lived in DC for 10 years and never once do they have anything decent / informative to say. I hope McCain fails epicly. thx.

Posted by: EpicFail | August 13, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama 4 Prez.

Posted by: ObamaMan | August 13, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

This guy is such a War Monger it's not even funny lol. I bet if he could take over the entire world he would.

Posted by: fumccain | August 13, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is an idiot and I hope he burns in hell. This guy has his fingers in so many holes its unbelievable, much like any politician. I'd just rather not be in Irag for the next 500 years.

Posted by: roflwaffles | August 13, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

".... ask yourselves, are the russians any less advanced or civilized than americans? and yet it's ok for them to roll into georgia, unprovoked, killing and seizing up personal property and real estate? furthermore, it's sounding like they don't plan to stop there. ..." -thenewtone

Grammar notwithstanding that's a really good point, attacking without being provoked. If that's the case then perhaps I'd be more inclined to say "Hay lets go shoot some ruskies and hope nukes don't get involved." However, from what I've gathered South Ossetia has been trying to break off from Georgia, and Georgiia decided to go whip their butts, which I suppose is fine. Kossovo did that with Serbia, as I recall, and then Serbia said "No" and decided to slam them, but instead the west (that's us) said "Yes" and so they did become independant.


Now we have South Ossetia doing it, except their more along the break off and get their Russia-style on lines, and Georgia is saying "No" with Russia saying "Yes". Unless I've been completely mislead by half the world, Georgia picked the fight-for whatever reason-and the "Russian bear" decided to beat the ever lasting love out of them.

Working on the assumption that the Georgians fired the first shots, killing Russians in the process, I'd have to say my only thought is that the Russians shouldn't take there very reasonible response too far, rather than saying it's entirely unprovoked and evil. Rather or not I'm off-key here is beyond me, I can only read so much at any given time and history tends to lie in the shadows until it's done being made, but based off what I've read that's the most I can say.

Though, relatively speaking, if the Georgians were provoked into provoking the fight, that'd be a pretty shady trick: though for my part I'd simply be /entirely/ apathetic at that point. I view it more along the lines of "Is Russia trying to destroy the west? Or is Russia just putting a show of force on for it's neighbors?" It isn't so much the question of what happened that eludes me, so much as the motivation behind what happened. I think that's more relavent than anything else happening. That's just me, though.

Posted by: A Random Guy | August 13, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain is more of a threat to world stability than either Bush or Clinton ever was. Reacting militarily is impractical and completely unjustified in the current instance, as it is in nearly every modern conflict. Georgia is run by a dictatorial SOB. However, he is our SOB for the moment so our poor-excuse-for media is obligated to blindly support even the dumbest of his moves. Like Serbia’s former dictator Saakashvili gambled on militarily taking over a province that wanted nothing to do with his rule. Like the USA then, Russia reacted now to protect its interests. The only difference is they rolled in with tanks to destroy private homes and infrastructure, where we bombed civilian Serbian targets from the safety of our 15,000 foot high cockpits. Furthermore we continued to pound the Serbian capital even after the Serbia’s troops withdrew from Kosovo. The Russian have yet to touch Tsbilli. In the end the result is the same – power not moral initiative determines the winners and losers. If one action is right/wrong so it the other.

And those of you that want to draw comparisons to WWII, get real. Nuclear weapons change the dynamics and prospects permanently and entirely. Russia is not the USSR. Putin is not Stalin. And one more thing morons; Stalin was Georgian, not Russian. If any anyone in this conflict resembles Stalin it is countryman Saakashvilli.

Posted by: jamestown | August 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

What a dilemma! As a 'progressive' I'm theoretically obligated to give a *** about innocent people being overrun by a hostile neighbor but I hate McCain so much I'd rather throw the Georgians under the bus.

I love this :
"Is it possible that McCain or someone from his campaign gave a "green light" to Saakashvili? " from alwaysaskQ.

So your theory (I know, its just a 'question') is that McCain, a presidential candidate with little chance of actually winning the title, 'greenlighted' an attack in S Ossettia. Here's my theory (question). You are an idiot. (?)

Posted by: Jason | August 13, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Change does not always mean progress...

Posted by: Common Sense | August 13, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Change does not mean progress.

Posted by: Common Sense | August 13, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

you know, all of your non-violent positions would be completely valid if everyone in the world, other than the our U.S. government, felt the same way you do. but that's not how the world works. ask yourselves, are the russians any less advanced or civilized than americans? and yet it's ok for them to roll into georgia, unprovoked, killing and seizing up personal property and real estate? furthermore, it's sounding like they don't plan to stop there. somewhere in your compassion, don't you think we should help them defend themselves against an obvious aggressor? i'm not promoting an attack on russia, but georgians need someone to help them hold their lines. and don't think the russians don't know that with our military deployed everywhere else in the world, they see little chance of the U.S. being the ones to come to their rescue...so they'll continue to attack and take what they want. this is just one glaring example of how the world really works. i wish that your concept of a peaceful utopia really did exist. and until it does, the greatest threat i see to america is your rose-colored, pacifist approach to dealing with grandstanding and aggressive countries, like russia, iran and countless african dictators. while they take every opportunity to intimidate and grow, you expect america to sit down and have a rational conversation with some ambassador, who is nothing more than a distraction, while their leaders carry out their campaign. i wish things could be different, but until that time comes, we need to be prepared to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, wherever and whenever. and if we have the opportunity to defend that elsewhere, before it reaches our shores, then i believe we need to do it.

Posted by: thenewtone | August 13, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

If Georgia falls, who will be the next domino????

Posted by: B. | August 13, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Here are my reasons that Mccain's 1960s and 1970s dipolomacy no longer has a leg to stand on;

1- Like anything in life, whether being your first high school sweet heart or your first job, both leave an everlasting iompression on how a person thinks and behaves. Certainly on the politic side his thinking process is about 30 to 40 years old, simply obsolete.

2- his temper is not a secret to anyone.
Do we want another happy pull the trigger guy?

3- He has a confrontational approach to world politics.

4- He has ignored his own rule of having decent campaign.

5- You don't hear him saying that we need to have diplomatic solutions to rouge nations. If we look at world problems over the past 50 years, force has never worked.


6- Now days, every country in the world including Tony Blair of England acknowledges that China will be a force to reckon with, but in the last few weeks, Mccain made a statement that he as a president would have not attended Olympics. Simply a warrior approach, very Dangerous.

Even though I have always voted republican, I sincerly believe that this isnot the time for electing McCain.


Posted by: Ben -K-D | August 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Way too slow in headlining McCain's Georgia lobbyist connection. This is a serious revelation into McCain's "maverick" judgment and character! Who was that famous four-star general who recently dared to raise doubts about McCain's judgment? No wonder McCain is huffing and puffing about a Russian return to the Cold War reminescent of his singing "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb" in a town hall meeting on foreign policy. He may be yesterday's hero, but this is a New Age with no need for yesterday's "maverick" to lead us into yesterday's battles!

Posted by: Roy | August 13, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Wake up people ! What do you think the Russians thought when the US attacked Iraq. Probably the same thing we are thinking about the Russian attack on Georgia. We took our oil and now they are taking some for themselves. Remember if the US fights Russia , both sides will loose. Mushroom clouds as far as the eye could see . . . . McCain should shut his mouth before he ends up in the same situation as Bush. Any fool can start a war as we found with Bush, but they can't seem to end them.

Posted by: peace | August 13, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

:So how is Russia's response to this situation
:all that different from our response to
:Iraq's invasion of Kuwait?


Russia is marching on to the capital to finish the job the first time!

Posted by: AnswerMan | August 13, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

McCain talks like and has the vision of a HomeDepot floor manager. He's just going to turn U.S. into a huge HomeDepot.

Posted by: Kevin | August 13, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

too many hate mongers and loud months here to have a worth while discussion.

Posted by: the_brigand | August 13, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

McBush is a shadow of the man who ran in 2000 adding great disappointment with too many flip-flops to possibly consider thoughtful changes of opinion. Massive loss of repect for the man from myself and it seems age may be taking hold with his numerous mistakes speaking about current events. The media has been tardy on providing the root of this conflict and first aggressor. Obama seems to be looking taller and taller as this campaign goes on. Just an opinion but an honest one.

Posted by: Briggs | August 13, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

John McCain seems hell bent on banging the drums of war. It seems as if he has realized that the Republicans can only win an election when Americans are scared out of their minds. He has not taken the time to even understand the conflict between Russia and Georgia, and I bet that if anyone bothers to press him on the issue,he will display complete ignorance.

Posted by: anne | August 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

MarkARKleiman has hit the nail on the head : ". . . McCain's adviser, has been a paid lobbyist for the Georgian government, and his firm still has a contract with them? Do we really need a President who gets his foreign policy advice from people who are working for foreign governments?"


I would rather have a president that works for the people !
Obama will avoid WW3 , McCain will start a new war for his donors.

Posted by: John | August 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Bush’s foreign policy looks more and more disoriented. Our primary concern is Iran’s nuclear issue, which carries far more weight than that tiny insignificant Georgia. We need Russian’s support for Iran. Bush will end his office with a total mess in the world, which will have very negative impact in the long term for U.S. Bush is doing more harm to U.S. than help.

Posted by: John | August 13, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Is this the 1930"s where the allies appeased Hitler then had to fight WWII?

Posted by: curly | August 13, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

MarkARKleiman has hit the nail on the head : ". . . McCain's adviser, has been a paid lobbyist for the Georgian government, and his firm still has a contract with them? Do we really need a President who gets his foreign policy advice from people who are working for foreign governments?"


I would rather have a president that works for the people !
Obama will avoid WW3 , McCain will start a new war for his donors.

Posted by: John | August 13, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

America has flooded Georgia with CIA agents and American troops. The Russians have every reason to be suspicious. We had better strive for good relations with Russia. The hell with the bandits of the Caucauses. All they ever gave us was Stalin.

Posted by: candide | August 13, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

So how is Russia's response to this situation all that different from our response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait?

Posted by: Denny Crane | August 13, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"Iraq is the convergence point for two of the greatest threats to America in this new century -- al Qaeda and Iran." President Bush, April 10th, 2008


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/04/20080410-2.html

Whoops, a bit more homework is caled for in the threat-assessment department.

For a reality check on Iran, please see
http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/

Posted by: BiBiJon | August 13, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

JASON STATED IT WELL. "A MAN", HE CONFESSES "NO ONE", INCLUDING HIMSELF, "KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT." THE MARK OF A REAL LIBERAL! MORE ANXIOUS TO SAY SOMETHING THAN HAVING ANYTHING TO SAY.

Posted by: ED | August 13, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey Honest Abe, have you ever heard of quality over quantity? Short list to me means room to grow Loooooooong list to me means SAME OL, SAME OL, FACE HITTING BRICK WALL BUT WON'T CHANGE.

Posted by: Delilah | August 13, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

John McCain has never held a position of command and the grave responsibilities that entails--He is a barking, snarling, small, rabble rousing dog and always has been. We all know that he still thinks we're fighting the Vietnam war (a little like the groundhog day movie)and, I wouldn't be surprised to find out he still thinks Joe McCarthy was on the right track.

Posted by: jhwillits | August 13, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Western vacillation and pussy-footing around rapist Russia has achieved nothing. McCain, along with the leaders of other threatened states; Estonia, Poland, etc., has clearly identified the problem. Shame on western liberals for trying to muddy the waters by besmirching McCain!

Every Russian misstep in Georgia is another reason why the USA needs a leader like McCain.

Posted by: Paul | August 13, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

You guys don't get it do you? Russia will use any opportunity to walk its army into a former republic to occupy it for "peace keeping" which will last indefinitely.
It doesn't matter at this point that Georgia attempted to reclaim their territory, currently under the 'protection' of Russian troops, because the point we're at now is that after the cease-fire was signed Russian bombs still fell in Georgia.

Posted by: the_brigand | August 13, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I get tired of hearing bellicose remarks from morons who want to fight wars with the lives of other people's children. We have a president who was doing battle with a piece of chicken during the invasion of Iraq, and "hit the deck" when it got the better of him. We need real men with real minds managing this country's business.

Posted by: Tired of 'toons | August 13, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

In his interview to CNN Russian ambassador to UN speculated that Saakashvili couldn't order the invasion into South Ossetia without some support from US. When asked does he have any proof for this, the answer was that he does not even want to think that it might be true. But he also mentioned that Russian and US intelligences are looking into this.

Is it possible that McCain or someone from his campaign gave a "green light" to Saakashvili? Remember that Georgian president is not very, how to say it politely? - "balanced person."

Posted by: alwaysaskQ | August 13, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Hello everyone,
I'm Russian and have some relatives in S. Ossetia, my neighbours are from Abkhazia. I spend a lot of time also abroad working. Due to my multilingual nature (German, English, Russian, Belorussian, Polish) I have that "advantage" to be able to understand news, reports from other site as well. I say "advantage" - because the more I know the more it hurts. This war for me has a face, face of the real people I know and care about: American friends - my boyfriend is an American one too, German friends and colleagues, Russian and Ossetians etc... I'm so glad to read and to see that not all American and west European people follow McCain. We all understand that we - simple people - will never be able to find out the whole truth which is stored behind the walls of the Kreml, White House etc. Let's think about it, lets try to see the things not from one site and spread the word. I think in this conflict one provoked, the other overreacted. I hope that both countries would have a president whose emotions won't play the first violin in the orchestra. Thank you and I send you hugs from all over my heart.

Posted by: cosmopolit | August 13, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hello everyone,
I'm Russian and have some relatives in S. Ossetia, my neighbours are from Abkhazia. I spend a lot of time also abroad working. Due to my multilingual nature (German, English, Russian, Belorussian, Polish) I have that "advantage" to be able to understand news, reports from other site as well. I say "advantage" - because the more I know the more it hurts. This war for me has a face, face of the real people I know and care about: American friends - my boyfriend is an American one too, German friends and colleagues, Russian and Ossetians etc... I'm so glad to read and to see that not all American and west European people follow McCain. We all understand that we - simple people - will never be able to find out the whole truth which is stored behind the walls of the Kreml, White House etc. Let's think about it, lets try to see the things not from one site and spread the word. I think in this conflict one provoked, the other overreacted. I hope that both countries would have a president whose emotions won't play the first violin in the orchestra. Thank you and I send you hugs from all over my heart.

Posted by: Lucy | August 13, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

John McCain is a doddering old fool! Why would anyone in their right mind want this inarticulate, "foot-in-mouth" diseased blundering fool running this country? Wasn't the last 8 years of his younger version enough? People...get educated on the facts and stop voting the same old party line!

Posted by: sick of politicians | August 13, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain and the military/industrial complex that supports him are a cancer in the American political body. It is a terminal condition absent radical and immediate treatment. The first step is to elect Senator Obama as our next real President.

Posted by: Robert Castle | August 13, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

John McCain quoted directly from wikipedia in his remarks about georgia. The man knows nothing of geopolitics, he still thinks Checkslovakia is one nation. The fact of the matter is this... Russia can do whatever Russia pleases. They could kill every man woman and child in georgia and we couldnt do a thing. Talk tough all you want, but the USA is UNARMED at the moment and if we went to war with Russia, we would certainly lose. That may be shockingly unpatriotic to those living in a fantasy, but our military is in shambles. Oh, and if Russia turned of the oil spigot we would be at $7 a gallon OVERNIGHT! The Bush administration has managed to go back in time to un-win the cold war, amazing.

Posted by: Austin T | August 13, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Hate Obama all you want. His ecomonic policies make sense He is intelligent and well-spoken, and he focuses on issues that mean something to me and my family.

McCain stands for nothing and offers nothing.

Call it smoke and mirror, call it pandering....this simple fact remains....McCain has offered NOTHING that is better.

I'll take a chance at hope Obama over a guaranteed "mystery" bag McCain ANY DAY.

Posted by: Jason | August 13, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Does WaPo feel the need to throw in anti-Obama commnets every time McCain makes a gaffe for some sort of twisted balance?

I still think its funny that the one commnet you DO find about Obama is full of fearmongering and opinion from some nut.

I love it, they (GOP, PUMA, right wing, racists, whatever they call themselves today) have nothing but brimming hatred for a man they are willing to lean nothing about, and hope that every bad thing SOMEONE ELSE tells them is true. It is almost the deifintion of pathetic.

Posted by: Jason | August 13, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

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