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Hillary Supporters Still Angry

With the Democratic National Convention opening in Denver today, the Post's lead story reports several steps party leaders are taking to unify the Democrats behind Barack Obama, even though many of them remain committed to Hillary Clinton.

Judging from the readers who have commented on that article, the challenge remains large.

Our Readers express bitterness over the primaries and Clinton's loss; some find Obama wanting in substance and experience; some vow to vote for Republican John McCain and wait for Clinton to run again in 2012; some say they'll sit out. Some blame the media for sinking Clinton's ship. It's an unusually dyspeptic crowd that has weighed in on this one. With two weeks of political conventions in front of us, we can only imagine the amount of fun the comment writing crowd will have.

We'll start with thall1, who said, "...The fact that Hillary is still on the ballot does not indicate unity and could very well indicate a serious division in the Party going into the stretch. Let's revisit this unity issue next week sometime when all of the polls are in."

And mrtutto observed that "Suddenly Hillary Clinton is more popular in the Republican Party than the Democratic Party. John McCain wants her so bad, he can taste it."

gatorsn09 wrote, "No Clinton, no vote for the jerk CNN made famous. President John McCain sounds great about now !!"

Cowabunga said, "She will release her delegates before roll call vote to save her some major embarassment. Don't blame her. She's playing it right... Democrats have to get it together or we'll be known as the party of egotists... Come on democrats, lets be adults and do what is best for our country."

But zennhead614wheatland wrote, "I am disappointed Senator Clinton will release her delegates. I'm not about to sign on for Obama... I will not vote for McCain, but if he wins, he will be saddled by a heavily Democrat House and Senate. That's good enough for me until 2012, and Clinton runs again..."

mccain08clinton12 echoed the Clinton in 2012 theme, writing, "No matter how much the media wants to push us to unite, there are some of us who refuse to support the candidate they shoved at us. www.mccain08clinton12.com"

alex7512 said that "...by choosing Biden as his running mate, Obama literally ignored the 17 or so million voters who cast their vote for Hillary. And this is only on his way to the nomination. How many more people is he willing to ignore and overlook should he become president?"

dlopata wrote, "I personally believe Obama has already promised Hillary the first opening on the Supreme Court. Which is fine by me. But she needs to... campaign vigorously, not only FOR Obama, but AGAINST Bush-McCain... we'll all be able to judge Hillary's true character after the next two months."

gwshening observed that "...there is a great divide within the Democratic party. Continue to deny this divide by the Obama campaign is further infuriating the Clinton supporters... big disaster for Obama is coming in November. It's actually good for the Democrats because finally they would realize that only "centrist Democrat" can win the general election."

ElleninCA quoting the article's statement that convention "speakers ... will seek to validate Obama and create the image of a leader capable beyond his years," said, "Give me a break... Obama, at 47, is... older than Teddy Roosevelt, John Kennedy, and Bill Clinton were when each of them was sworn in as President. Why not do conscientious voters a favor and start contrasting Obama and McCain on issues rather than on age?"

HaroldFCrockettJr wrote:
It would be the Republican Party's worst nightmare if the Democrats are able to have a unified convention. If the Demos are truly united, there is no hope for the election of John McCain..."

asiddiqui said, "...I cannot believe that these supporters of Mrs. Clintons are so childish that they do not understand, that their support for McCain will be give America four more years of the same neo-con Republicans government, and thus they will be voting against the interest of their country..."

nlynnc wrote, "The Democrats supporting Obama just refuse to understand that... the refusal to "unify" and vote Dem is due primarily to Obama's inadequacy as a candidate... and secondarily to the Democratic party's disregard for the popular vote..."

To which rdeuel replied, "...The real enemy of the American People is the SO-CALLED news media... They were so busy trying to make Obama look good that they ignored the Republican Party..... assuming that they couldn't possibly win, no matter who they were up against. I just love seeing an arrogant plan go awry."

But wmboyd said, "I see that contrary to the assertions by some that Democrats will suffer in November, the polls show the vast majority still think that Republicans have led this country in the wrong direction on both foreign and domestic policy issues. Republicans are expected to lose a lot more than just the White House..."

We'll close with SisyphusinSoho, who wrote, "...the Clintons have become the Ralph Nader of this election. They could quell the rage of Hillary voters who would actually elect McCain, but they can't face second place...They're spoilers, and at a truly cfritical time in our history..."

All comments on this article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  August 25, 2008; 9:20 AM ET
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I'm still voting for Hillary. In November, there will be a nice blank spot on the ballot where I can still write in her name :) . My conscience won't let me vote for someone that makes wild promises that can't possibly be kept. Obama is intelligent enough to know he can't keep the promises he's making... I think he's just saying what people want to hear, regardless of whether it's true or not. That says something very dark about his intentions.

Posted by: obiwan103 | August 29, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

After watching the convention...I have come to a conclusion

I guess I am not a democrat after all

I am a independent..democrats represent only part of what I want from a party....democrats are also very boring

I voted for Hillary..she didnt change my mind...i am still voting McCain ...Obama has not been able to move me like Hillary did...he is boring ...and never tells me what he plans to do other than change..change ...change ..change...boring

How about him saying this my health care plan...then putting it all in writing and publishing it with a cost analysis before the election

That would be real change

As far as Iraq goes bush pulled the rug on that issue with the agreement to go home.

Posted by: sidney smith | August 27, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

You know Anonymous, you may be right. I think we are all being baited by some Rush head or right wing *#@!*&%. Let's all stop talking about this and maybe it will settle down. And that includes the media. They keep bringing it up over and over like they are hoping for some cat fight on the convention floor or something. Everybody CHILL and don't let the right wing idiots pit us against eachother. Look, we all want the same things, but if you Hillary die hards are that into Women's rights, you wouldn't even CONSIDER voting for McCain. Didn't you hear him say on the Faith Forum (where he cheated and wasn't really in the Cone of Silence) that he said that it will be a Pro Life America if he becomes president. Now, IF YOU ARE REALLY A WOMAN DEMOCRAT this will be important to you. If Roe V Wade is overturned aren't you all gonna feel stupid, kind of like Michael is acting on this blog. Go ahead and vote for McSame you idiots, we'll all suffer but you will get what you deserve, four more years.

Posted by: TerriLynn | August 26, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

You know Anonymous, you may be right. I think we are all being baited by some Rush head or right wing *#@!*&%. Let's all stop talking about this and maybe it will settle down. And that includes the media. They keep bringing it up over and over like they are hoping for some cat fight on the convention floor or something. Everybody CHILL and don't let the right wing idiots pit us against eachother. Look, we all want the same things, but if you Hillary die hards are that into Women's rights, you wouldn't even CONSIDER voting for McCain. Didn't you hear him say on the Faith Forum (where he cheated and wasn't really in the Cone of Silence) that he said that it will be a Pro Life America if he becomes president. Now, IF YOU ARE REALLY A WOMAN DEMOCRAT this will be important to you. If Roe V Wade is overturned aren't you all gonna feel stupid, kind of like Michael on this blog. :)

Posted by: TerriLynn | August 26, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

>>If you listen to the Obama-bots (the loser that replied to your message above yours, CAVYS) you will see that all they know is aggression.

You don't think calling someone an "Obamabot" is aggressive?
How about calling him a "looser".
That's ditto head talk, Democrats don't often use the adjective "looser"...hmmm.
It strikes me that the big winner will be the Republican party if the Dem convention is disrupted by Hillaries supporters, not Hillary Clinton, she would be politically destroyed in the process.
So who are these people who agitate on the internet?
Could they be...Republicans?I know, I know, thrice each has sworn to be lifelong Democrats but still, somehow...I listen to you guys talk and you guys sound a lot like one of Rushs' ditto heads...who were told to do just this type of thing by their Oxycotin snarfing leader during one of his intermittent moments of lucidity.
I don't think there are many Democrats thinking about voting for McSame. I think there are a some Republicans who voted for Hillary in the Dem primary because they didn't want to face Barak Obama and now they are whining because it didn't work.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Michael, calling me an idiot (but you need to look in the mirror) does not negate the facts of how Hillary lied and scratched so desperately through that primary season. Good God is right, who would want someone like her in the whitehouse? Apparently PUMA stands for Positively Ugly Mama Apes!

Posted by: TerriLynn | August 26, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Micheal:

Thanks for drawing attention to my post. Yes, I'm a loser. I've been a loser for the last eight years. George W. Bush and his "most experienced" team have certainly made me a loser. My vote for Hillary in the primaries also made me a loser.
However, if you right wing sponsored so called P.U.M.A. "swift boaters" really want to do something for Hillary contribute to her campaign and help her retire her debt

Posted by: Cavys | August 26, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Whenever I mention that I vote for third party tickets (if I vote at all), I am always subjected to tedious lectures by Democrats and Republicans alike about how I'm "wasting" my vote, my duty as a citizen, blahblahblah.

So this is my solemn duty as a citizen: to cast a vote to decide...whose hurt feelings matter the most. Good God, if you people in the "major" parties want to be taken seriously, try acting serious. Act as if you have some sense, and some idea of what is really important. Until then, don't bother me.

Posted by: EnjoyEverySandwich | August 26, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Patricia -

You are SPOT on! If you listen to the Obama-bots (the loser that replied to your message above yours, CAVYS) you will see that all they know is aggression. Stick to your guns and principles. They are admirable and more people than you know are right along beside you. I am one of them. GO P.U.M.A.'s!

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | August 26, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

OK Hillary supporters...listen up. What makes you think that if you sabatoge Obama's campaign and vote for McSame... that Obama's supporters will vote for Hillary in 2012. Think people...Obama or McSame. the polls are even right now. Your support will put a democrat in the White House or non support will put McLame in. It's your choice.

Posted by: Cavys | August 26, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

am a registered Independent who supported Clinton in the primary. It is not whining to say that she dealt with a hostile press, a lot of sexism, and sabotage from her own party (witness MI and FL). Arguably, she won more votes than Obama.

It isn’t sour grapes to say I’m voting for McCain. I simply believe he is the better qualified candidate. Obama, to date, has done nothing with his life to inspire my confidence. One term in the Senate and helping to pass one bill while there doesn’t do it for me.

Posted by: Patricia | August 26, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

TerriLynn, you ma'am, are an IDIOT!

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | August 26, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm ashamed and embarrassed at the behaviour of the Hillary die-hards. What a bunch of whiney baby sore losers! They would risk the future of our country for their personal vendetta which is completely unfounded. The only thing I can figure is that these people are highly bigoted hiding behind the Women's Rights banner. I wish they would all shut up and grow up and get over themselves. If they ruin this election, I will personally hunt down each one of them! Hillary can't even control her supporters, she fired them up and made them angry and then expects the monster she created to just go away? These people are symptoms of the nasty campaign she ran that was full of lies. Can someone please tell me when was the last time we bowed down to the LOSER of a primary? What's everyone so scard of? The Clinton's time is over and a new time begins. DEAL WITH IT! If you "ladies" ruin this convention and election it will be on your head when more people lose their homes and can't get healthcare. Get your heads out of your butts!

Posted by: TerriLynn | August 26, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I will never vote for Obama. I don't think white women will ever forsake their abusive men and stand up for anything other than what they are told. I also think Michelle will be pushed aside (in the end) thrown under the bus. I love and admire Hillary more than any other person, other than my family, I know.

Posted by: dlkincaid | August 26, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Ever heard the expression "Don't bite off your nose to spite your face?" If McCain gets elected Roe v. Wade WILL be overturned, and the supreme court will be even more stacked with crazy ideologues. The deficit will get worse. The US government will be deadlocked. McCain will be an ineffective president, but if he were effective, we'd be in big trouble! George W pretended to be moderate and WASN'T. Let's not get fooled twice, folks. Vote for policies, not personalities. Really, this is sort of embarrassing that wee Americans make our decisions this way.

Posted by: Ezed | August 26, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I still say most of these folks claiming to have been Democrats since FDR's time and that they'll be voting for McCain are all lying. They are as they have always been, Republicans trying to stir up shinola.

Posted by: Fake-Name-Guy | August 26, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

After seeing Michelle Obama (phony) and Ted Kennedy (barely coherent) speak last night, I will most CERTAINLY be voting for John McCain.

For the Obama-bots, your candidate is in for a rude awakening!

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | August 26, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Fido: If you can't see the difference in Chris Matthews words about Hillary now and before June and his words about Obama then the media will always control your vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

It's America people, vote for who you like for whatever reason you like. I'm going to go write in this time, I'm voting for the ex-Prime Minister of Japan as a form of contrition for Poppa Bush yakking up in his lap.
If you think that's crazy, imagine supporting Clintons politics and then voting for McCain over Obama.
That's crazy.
I wonder if some of them aren't pulling our legs? I guess we'll find out in November.
Until then, remember, write in "Kiichi Miyazawa" for President because honestly, you can't apologize often enough for throwing up on somebody.

Posted by: dijetlo | August 26, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

This whole thing about Hillary followers is something the Clintons beefed up through some underground channels like James Carville to cause a hysteria at the convention. The Clinton's would rather support McCain for the white house bid than Obama. If McCain wins at least Hillary can run again in 4 years. If Obama wins Hillary will have to try running in 8 years with one foot in the grave. I think Diane Feinstein and Ferraro are working behind the scenes with the aid of James Carville to get this so called mob mentallity for the roll call for Hillary.

To me Hillary will always be the sore looser who still thinks she is going to answer the 3:00am phone call from Putin.

Posted by: Steve McKinsey | August 25, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Having watch this election season it is becoming apparent that this is becoming one of the most divisive period for the Democrats in 40 years. It is hard to understand where this resentment that some people who voted for Hillary Clinton toward Obama coming from. In other words why do they resent Obama so much. Is it because they do not understand politics, or are they trying to use emotion to manipulate politics.

Ms. Clinton was the favourite to get the Democratic nomination. Voters are familiar with her from her 8 years as first lady during her husband's administration. She then spent several years as a senator in the American government. This was suppose to be her time. One year ago it was believed that she would be the Democratic nominee for the president. She was able to get a historical amount of money from large donators. She was able to get the backing from many dominant politicians, origination and famous people. Everything was on her side.

It is hard to determine if her team was over confident. However, a seasoned politician was able to do everything just a little better than she was able to do it. A quick rising Democratic political star was able to defeat her.

People try to portray Obama as inexperienced and to much of a risked. However, the only focus on his role as a federal senator ignoring his other experience and qualifications. Obama was able to raise more money. Obama was able to get more votes to the polls. He out performed Ms. Clinton on the campaign.

There are Clinton supports who believed their candidate got unfairly treated with Florida and Michigan. This is where one can assume that the resentment toward Obama comes from. To be honest this is if this is the case it is quite immature. Both states were warned what would happen if their held their primaries early, and all the candidates supported the resolution. Both states were also given enough time to correct this. It can be agreed that the conditions were to harsh however justified.

Relating to the distribution of the votes between Obama and Clinton. This is a major distortion of the facts. It is not popular vote that determines how many delegates a candidate gets and an over simplification of the process. For Michigan it is impossible to determine how many delegates that Obama would have gotten. Obama did follow the rules, and it was Clinton who changed the rules after it was determined that her chances of winning were slim.

The mistakes that the Democratic party made with the two states should be forgotten. The Democratic party did not handle the issue correctly, since they did not take into consideration the various scenarios. For this the Democratic party should be forgiven.

For Clinton supports en masse not to vote for the Democratic because Clinton is not on the ticket is strange. Why? This is not what democracy is about. Also, the policies will be those of Barah Obama and not of Ms. Clinton. So, whether Ms. Clinton is on the ticket or not would not effect Obama's policies. So it would seem that you are not voting on policies.

Finally, It was Ms. Clinton who was being condescending toward Obama when the prospect of a dream ticket was risen. More because Ms. Clinton was ahead and believed the nomination was hers. It could be suggested that she was quietly suggesting to Obama to quickly drop out of the race, and maybe he would become her vice-president.

Posted by: Observer | August 25, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of all the so called Hillary supporters bad mouthing Obama and saying it was racist for black people to vote for him. News flash white women aren't the only women on this planet. How come it's racist for black people to vote for Obama, but ALL women were SUPPOSED to like Clinton. It goes both ways people! I have had more people call me names for my skin then I have ever been called for being a woman. People look at me and automatically think '$lut' all because they've watched a video on MTV and seemed to become stunned if I talk in plain English. I've worked hard to get were I am in life yet I still get treated like some poor trash from the ghetto and I lived my entire life in the country! News flash I didn't like Clinton but I swore to myself that if Obama didn't win I would vote for Clinton so that at least a Democrat would be in office. I understand that people are upset but what if it were the other way around and I refused to vote for Clinton you would be giving me the same speeches about Democratic unity and would be calling me every name in the book if I voted for McCain.

Posted by: Shauna | August 25, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I registered as a Democrat in 1970 when I first became eligible to vote, and have voted Democrat since then. I am voting for McCain this year. The primary between Obama and Hillary showed me the depth of corruption in the Democratic party - from Nancy Pelosi's statement that there would never be a "dream ticket" of Hillary & Obama, to Howard Dean's demand for superdelegates to reveal who they were voting for months before the convention. The whole Florida/Michigan debacle sickened me when the DNC snubbed millions of voters who had voted for Hillary. Now I hear that these 2 states will have their entire delegations allowed to vote "at the request of Sen. Obama", when Hillary fought for their rights for months. I've had it with the Democrats. I will vote for John McCain, I trust John McCain, and I will never return to the Democratic party. I will become politically active in the Republican party. Sen. Obama needs to work on his resume, put in more time serving his country, ease up on the arrogance factor and stand behind his words about equality. SWEETIE!

Posted by: Stephanie | August 25, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"As I've said about the flag, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides." _BHO

Didn't you read William Ayers (of Weather Underground fame) who's been a long-time friend with Obama and who hosted Obama's early fundraisers (thus is probably a mentor like Rev. Wright) said on 9/11/2001: 'I don't regret setting bombs... I feel we didn't do enough."

Mr. Ayers was also pictured (in the August 2001 issue of Chicago Magazine) proudly stomping in the street on an American flag. You can see the picture yourself.

Posted by: Brent | August 25, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: abby0802 | August 25, 2008 5:10 PM

Here's a thought folks. Use your own mind. Research, read, listen, and then vote for whom you believe to be best for America.
I did that. I am voting for Obama.
___________________________________________

If you researched, read, and listened, you would not be voting for a man tied to terrorism, racism, unpatriotic, etc. Read his book or my comment above. Words from his own mouth! No offense, but I just cannot fathom how anyone would fall for his deceiving.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why so many women are shocked by the sexist actions of the Media and the DNC this election year. It's the classic 1980's model of sexism in the workplace: a more experienced woman is passed over for a position in favor of a younger less experienced male. I think they made a million movies with that theme: Baby Boom, 9 to 5, etc....

The really shocking thing is that reps from the party continue to say "when all is said and done - clinton supporters will rally behind Obama." Do they believe this? Do they think we are such brainless twits that we simply voted for Clinton because she was a democrat? Or could it be that we voted for her experience and leadership qualities. To assume that Obama is the defacto choice is insulting. The qualities I didn't like in Obama during the primary are still there - and there is no way he will get my vote.

Posted by: Staying Home | August 25, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Here's a thought folks. Use your own mind. Research, read, listen, and then vote for whom you believe to be best for America.
I did that. I am voting for Obama.

Posted by: abby0802 | August 25, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

My entire family is hardcore Democrat. I myself served on Kerry's campaign in 04. However, my family is educated and actually happens to research candidates. None of us will be voting for Obama. He has proven himself to be unqualified, unpatriotic, tied to terrorism, racism, etc. I do not trust him. Regardless of what you are led to believe he IS Muslim. He stated in his own book that if the tides turn he would stand with the Muslims. In his own words he said, "As I've said about the flag, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides." WHAT? And about our anthem he said, "...conveys a war-like message. You know the bombs bursting in air and all". Do we really want this guy leading us?

Posted by: Kary | August 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Didn't these PUMA's support ANY of Hillary's policies? Don't they know that McCain represents the exact opposite of everything she represents? If not, I hope they figure it out soon. Hey, this week would be a good time to tune in and realize that if you support what Hillary stood for, you cannot think of voting for McCain. Case closed.

Posted by: metame | August 25, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Thank god that Bill will not be back in the White House! "No, I did not have sex with that woman." It would be a scary thought of him in the White House with nothing to do."

I will pretend that you're not stupid enough to say something that stupid. Actually, I'll pretend that you were probably in utero at the time prosperity ruled this land and therefore, not currently paying your own bills.

If you think illicit sex is a reason not to vote for someone, YOU DESERVE SOMEONE AS UNQUALIFIED AS OBAMA.

Posted by: Ann | August 25, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"You forgot the nah nah nuh nah nah, no blacks, infinity part. I think that's how its supposed to go."

Actually, YOU forgot the "no women, double-infinity" part. That's how it's been going for people like you for years. And you're still on about "if you don't like Obama, you have to be a racist." Can't you get another "shocker" line? Even the Republicans are starting to recognize that it's lame.

And you REALLY forgot the "Obama is supposed to have some substance and qualifications to be elected" part! But qualifications don't matter, do they? You're in love! And because you're so in love, I guess we all have to buy the condoms for you, don't we? You blather and blather about "unity, unity, unity" but you're very good at telling anyone who isn't waving the "Obama for President" signs around that they're stupid and irrelevant. You talk about all Democrats being committed to equality but you're awesome at ushering women who don't agree with you right toward the back of the proverbial bus. You whine and whine about how we all have to hang together, and yet all you do is continuing to hang people with legitimate grievances separately. Are you're somehow under the impression that all these insults and dismissals are persuasive? Sure you do. In the mold of your chosen demi-god "Captain Fluffy Puffy Puppies and Happy Kittens Sparkly Unicorn Pants", you're that arrogant. You're that convinced of your own intellectual and moral superiority. So, if that's the way you think and if insults are all you have, fine. I hope they made you squeal with delight. Just remember how satisfying those insults were when you watch all those states going red in November because, if you keep it up, my resolve toward "unity" just might be replaced with "I can wait all the Republican BS out for another four years just for the satisfaction of making you squeal then, too."

Posted by: Ann | August 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Their entire game plan was to get Hillary off the ticket so that McCain could win"

Whew ! Thankfully we have a few 'sharp' people like anonymous & jodi that have outed this vast media conspiracy. I am sure there is a evil media megalomaniac somewhere controlling all this..cue the James Bond theme now...Who will save the poor citizens that are caught up in this make-believe world where Obama has been propped up by the evil media. They even have some people fooled that they have a liberal bias. Unreal!

There's no point arguing using the facts. In your world, everything is a vast conspiracy...

Posted by: Fido | August 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Their entire game plan was to get Hillary off the ticket so that McCain could win"

Whew ! Thankfully we have a few 'sharp' people like anonymous & jodi that have outed this vast media conspiracy. I am sure there is a evil media megalomaniac somewhere controlling all this..cue the James Bond theme now...Who will save the poor citizens that are caught up in this make-believe world where Obama has been propped up by the evil media. They even have some people fooled that they have a liberal bias. Unreal!

There's no point arguing using the facts. In your world, everything is a vast conspiracy...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Someone got it right. Let's make it crystal clear for new young Obamabots. To put it simply folks, you were used by the Republicans to keep Hillary off the ballot because the Republicans could not have even come close to beating her, BUT Obama was not vetted by the media in the primary because that is what they will use for the October surprise, if not sooner. This year should have been a cake walk to the White House for Dems but because the media was able to keep Obama in while killing off the female with more votes.....we will get McCain instead of Hillary. Hopefully 4 years from now the Obamabots will have learned a little more about who to vote for and why...........at least learn that when all the candidate says is "hope" and "change" but fails to define his change, you will be smart enough not to waste your vote.

VOTING McCAIN 2008 and HILLARY 2012

Posted by: jodi | August 25, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

TJ WELDY SAID:
"Yes, you've got it right. Out of nowhere, the media swooped in and crowned Barack Obama the winner. That's why the coverage of Barack Obama is more negative than McCain according to a George Mason University study"

ALLOW ME TJ I have said for months now that the media love affair had nothing to do with any of these TV pundits wanting Obama elected,.....Their entire game plan was to get Hillary off the ticket so that McCain could win. They have alwasys known it would be easier to beat Obama.......and now you are seeing the beginning of the media love affair with McCain because McCain will not raise taxes and they all earn over $250K per year. NOT EVEN CHRIS MATTHEWS WILL VOTE OBAMA. He has to run his show as the liberal show that gets ratings but behind the curtain he will vote his pocket...McCAIN 2008 Obama folks were duped by media like Matthews and Olbermann and Cafferty ect.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

You forgot the nah nah nuh nah nah, no backs, infinity part. I think that's how its supposed to go.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 2:39 PM

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TJ The bigest mistake made by Obama is to assume that questioning his lack of experience mean a person is racist.....I am a black woman voting McCain because of the sexist and race baiting ploys by Obama himself....not to mention his lack of experience but I would have given him more of a chance if he had not stooped to sexist and race baiting ploys. Once he began those tactics, it was clear he had nothing else to stand on but white people's guilt. Don't fall for it guys, Obama will not fix anything and will more than likely be the cause of attacks here on our land.

Posted by: BLACK AND PROUD | August 25, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"He will not be elected on the sweat and hard work of 18 million women just because Chris matthews feels something running up his leg when Obama speaks. We will not allow Obama to be elected. Change that!"


Posted by: Lolita

I stand with Lolita. Obama got this far with the aid of the media and this institutional chauvenism of journalists can not stand.
Obama is being carried by the press and if 96 percent od blacks can vote for Obama, I can damn well vote against him!

Posted by: Marcie | August 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary , the one with all the name recognition, the Clinton campaign machinery and finances botched it by being complacent, chaotic organization and no focussed message. And you think that's the media's and Obama campaign's fault ? Where's the disconnect ?"

Posted by: fido | August 25, 2008 2:29 PM
.........................................

To have run such a terrible campaign.; Its amazing that Hillary got more votes than Obama...

theres your disconnect!

Posted by: DRII | August 25, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The media made the decision that a black male, without any ideas or experience, is better than a white female.

Yes, you've got it right. Out of nowhere, the media swooped in and crowned Barack Obama the winner. That's why the coverage of Barack Obama is more negative than McCain according to a George Mason University study. Oh wait, I'm still trying to get a hold of the Hillary in 2012 mentality. Those liberal elitist woman haters at George Mason!!!

Clinton supporters are not angry, but I promise you they will stop this media limousine carrying Obama in its tracks.

What's it like to believe that a politician is some sort of deity? Do you have a temple to Hillary in your garage? Alright, I give up. I'm going to the gym, plus there's too much sniper fire at work today. Have fun with your madness.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

What some seem to assume is that everyone who voted for Hillary is automatically a partisan democrat who will choose a party over their country. Not true. The Democratic Party has shown itself to be an organization, a corporation more interested in power and donors than democratic principals. To ignore the popular vote in favor of a candidate with the thinnest resume of any presidential candidate in modern history is truly troubling. The lack of experience and accomplishments of Obama is a tall hurdle for many to overcome in order to support him, especially in these troubled times.

Posted by: DRII | August 25, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary Supporters Still Angry"

This is what the media want people to think. The truth is, we're not angry. Hillary never had a chance. The media made the decision that a black male, without any ideas or experience, is better than a white female. They have put Obama in their liberal media limousine and chauffered him down the road from the primaries to the Dem convention.
Clinton supporters are not angry, but I promise you they will stop this media limousine carrying Obama in its tracks. Obama will have to walk home to Chicago now. He will not be elected on the sweat and hard work of 18 million women just because Chris matthews feels something running up his leg when Obama speaks. We will not allow Obama to be elected. "Change that!"

Posted by: Lolita | August 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is a media creation, an empty suit. And most of his supporters are jerks... "

You forgot the nah nah nuh nah nah, no backs, infinity part. I think that's how its supposed to go.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a media creation, an empty suit. And most of his supporters are jerks...

Vote Nader....

Posted by: Sue | August 25, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Giants Total First Downs: 17
Patriots Total First Downs: 22

The Patriots should have won, plus they were the favorites. They had a better record. Their QB had a better rating. They had better jersey's. Their coach had a better haircut. Their players have nicer shoes. They are a more working class team. New York is a dirtier city. I like angel food cake.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

CLEARLY you ARE confused. I will clarify for you. I should have said, his royal highness. There, feel better now? What a pompus moron!

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | August 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

To the poster that said Hillary has more experience than BO:

I'm not familiar with all these acronyms, so I assume you meant Hillary has more experience than body odor (BO), right?

Posted by: Confused | August 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"As though Hillary were not telling what was all true. If Hillary were saying the Moon would rise in the morning and the Sun in the evening, NO ONE would have believed her. Obama is so smart, so why was he not countering her??? Because she was telling the truth"

What kind of argument is this ? Obama did counter them and one can argue that what he said was all true. No doubt, you think that all John McCain says is true.

Hillary , the one with all the name recognition, the Clinton campaign machinery and finances botched it by being complacent, chaotic organization and no focussed message. And you think that's the media's and Obama campaign's fault ? Where's the disconnect ?

Posted by: fido | August 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

So if his agenda is a copy of Clinton's, why would you vote McCain over him? Do you realize how irrational that is...

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 25, 2008 2:04 PM

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Because Obama is being nominated on Hillary's work........VERY SEXIST And also because Obama has no chance of putting Hillary's plans to work....much better to wait 4 years for Hillary to do it herself.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Bush: 50,456,002
Gore: 50,999,897

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm proud of HRC... I just heard she hit back at McCain for trying to woo her supporters. I get the sense she won't be going through the motions!

Posted by: Charlie S | August 25, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Popular Vote (w/MI)**
Obama : 17,535,458 47.4%
CLINTON: 17,822,145 48.1%

With Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*
Obama: 17,869,542 47.4%
CLINTON: 18,046,007 47.9%

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"As though Hillary were not telling what was all true."

So she DID land under sniper fire? Seriously, though, throwing out accusations takes no effort, proving them all wrong takes lots of effort. Its a game that is always won by the aggressor and lost by the victim. Plus, when you defend yourself you look like you weak and, well, defensive. Not playing the game is the only viable option.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

We don't need the republicans to sink Barack Obama. We're doing a great job right here in this forum. I love it.

Posted by: Amber | August 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, like BO, is just a junior senator. Does Laura Bush have more experience than BO, too.

Posted by: cab | August 25, 2008 2:00 PM

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No Laura Bush does not have more experience than Obama because she does not have the education background that would enable her to learn the ropes during her time as First Lady. There is a big difference between Laura Bush, a librarian and Hillary CLinton, a lawyer working with the most intelligent President we have had in my life time. If the medical school student and the working librarian both witness an emergency surgery, which one do you want working on you if you are in need of that same surgery in an isolated area with no doctor available??????

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The real reason Obama didn't pick Hillary was because her hot air would contribute to global warming. That means he would have had to get Al Gore's permission to select her.

Posted by: The Details | August 25, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"And Clinton also ran a very negative campaign and raised all the doubts she (or her surrogates) could. She was no innocent bystander."

As though Hillary were not telling what was all true. If Hillary were saying the Moon would rise in the morning and the Sun in the evening, NO ONE would have believed her. Obama is so smart, so why was he not countering her??? Because she was telling the truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Supposing that by some enumeration Hillary won the popular vote, why is this important? When it became clear that Hillary would not win, she starting assailing the rules. That's a sore loser. Its like saying field goals should be worth 2 points because we lost by a single field goal. Anyone notice that Gore won the popular vote in 2000? What good was that?

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Popular Vote Total
Obama - 17,535,458 48.1%
Clinton - 17,493,836 48.0%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*

Obama - 17,869,542 48.2%
Clinton - 17,717,698 47.8%

True that if you give Obama zero votes from Michigan, Clinton moves ahead.

The polls show Obama winning or closely tied in 7 of the 13 caucus states.

Posted by: cab | August 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Kerry was swift-boated in 2004. Obama will be "Hillaried" in 2008. How nice for the republicans.

Thank you democrats. I knew you would figure out a way to lose again.

Posted by: In the Buff | August 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"In anyone got cheated by the media it Edwards..."

You gotta be kiddin me!!! If the press had NOT hidden the truth about the 400-dollar-haircut, 28,200-square-foot-sitting-on-102-acre-estate phony who was screwing a mistress while his wife suffering from breast cancer, Hillary would have been the nomineed by now and would be elected President in Nov. Talking about retards.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

anonymous : I have no way to verify that, but I understand that may have been your perception (after watching msnbc & oprah). Even if that's so, how is that Obama's fault. Obama gets repeatedly trashed by Fox News. Clinton even made friends with Fox and got a lot of coverage. So, should I blame Clinton now ?

And Clinton also ran a very negative campaign and raised all the doubts she (or her surrogates) could. She was no innocent bystander.

Of course, if you feel Obama doesn't have leadership qualities and McCain does, you are free to make that judgement. Many will disagree, but that's democracy.

Posted by: fido | August 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

So if his agenda is a copy of Clinton's, why would you vote McCain over him? Do you realize how irrational that is...

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Obama are identical when it comes to their legislative agenda, its one thing to not vote Obama, its another to vote Mccain, someone who has a radically different political agenda. Call it what you want, but I'll call it racism.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 25, 2008 1:58 PM

Hillary has a legislative agenda and Obama has a copy of Hillary's legislative agenda.

McCAIN 2008 or Hillary
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Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the re-post, but one more thing, anyone who thinks Clinton was cheated by the media is fooling themselves. In anyone got cheated by the media it Edwards, Richardson, Biden, Kucinich, etc.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, like BO, is just a junior senator. Does Laura Bush have more experience than BO, too.

Posted by: cab | August 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

cab: Hillary won the popular vote even when the estimated caucuses are added to Obama's count.......and the estimates from those caucuses are high and most likely over counted. Add to that the fact that Obama can not win caucus states in a general election.......no matter what he thinks. The only chance the democrats had was if Hillary was the nominee and she should have been because:
When elected delegates are counted with MI and FL counting as full.......and assuming that Obama is not given delegates in MI where he removed his name from the ballot to play to Iowa voters who wanted to be first,....then the elected delegate count is within 40. (IF the situation were reversed, Hillary would not have been given delegates in MI) Keeping in mind that all the big states were won by Hillary and we must win those states in the general, the Super Delegates should have done their only job and nominated the "most electable" candidate. More people went to the polls and voted Hillary than any other candidate in history, including Obama. The loss of the White House this year is mostly the fault of spineless Super Delegates.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Lets ALL remember that "It is not spin to point out someone's many deficiencies as a politician and presidential candidate. It is spin to ignore and make excuses for those deficiencies" and God know's that BO has his fair share! What America needs is experience NOT experiments!

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | August 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Obama are identical when it comes to their legislative agenda, its one thing to not vote Obama, its another to vote Mccain, someone who has a radically different political agenda. Call it what you want, but I'll call it racism.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Obama are identical when it comes to their legislative agenda, its one thing to not vote Obama, its another to vote Mccain, someone who has a radically different political agenda. Call it what you want, but I'll call it racism.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

You know I think my support and vote for a candidate is the most important part of the process in participating in our government.
I love having my choice. My support and vote went for Hillary Clinton , my choice. Now I am hearing from my own countrymen that
To show my allegiance to the party I have to vote for and support someone that was not my choice. I never promise my vote and support to one party , that is what really destroys the process by giving up the choice. Just as I feel if you don’t vote you also help to destroy the process by giving up your choice. I don’t feel that as a voter you should call yourself a democrat, republican, libertarian or whatever.
That should be left up to the candidates to give us some idea what they may or may not be about. We as the voter/supporter have always and should always be free vote for who we please. Hillary Clinton was my first choice , John McCain will my second choice.

Posted by: Antione | August 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

VOTING McCAIN 2008 and HILLARY 2012
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Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:42 PM

Anonymous: people like you WERE the backbone of the Democratic Party until you were driven out of it by the so-called progressives that are nothing but pot-smoking, tiffany-wearing rich hollywood or ivy-league type that disguise themselves as socialists but in all actuality braindead degenerates. (There's nothing wrong with smoking pot or wear tiffany but there is no need to tell us hillary diehards how retarded and repugnant losers we are and then DEMAND us vote for Obama or else.) Bye-bye, Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy!

Posted by: michael | August 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Hillary supports were smart voters not angry voters.
It's the mentality of these angry voters that got us 8 years of Bush and is going to get us another 4 years Bush "crap", if I may say so nicely. If you can't get what you want, go for the next best thing rather than the worst. Come on be smart voters! Dems need to stick together. We all want change and McCain is not going to give it to us. His approach to winning this campaign is already underhanded, negative, and catty. Please a "catty" President who doesn't focus on the issue is not what we need.

Posted by: Naysh | August 25, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"For God's sake, remember your heritage ad your purpose."

Do I see a typo? Wow...you are not mean spirited at all AND you have perfect grammer. Good for you!

Posted by: cab | August 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"It was people like me that voted AGAINST Bush in 2000 and 2004 ..."

And how well is that workin' for ya?

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

How about this, a challenge for the Hillary in 2012 crowd, someone please give a measured explanation of how Hillary Clinton will be able to do anything positive in 2012, assuming she gets elected, with a Supreme Court that is 6/9 extremist conservative and 3/9 just regular conservative (which is likely under McCain) and completely empowered to overturn any laws passed by congress and any executive orders issued by Hillary. Keep in mind that constitutional amendments require 2/3 of the senate and house and 3/4 of the legislatures of the states.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

fido : Many people no longer watch msnbc because of their part and it was a large part in using sexist ploys to tarnish Hillary. Many also no longer watch Oprah.....her viewers numbers have decreased some. For Obama, we will not vote for him because he has no qualifications to be President and because he ran a sexist and race baiting campaign.

McCain 2008 or HILLARY 2008

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

So, Washington Post, once a proud, incisive newspaper... do these comments, mean spirited, sophomoric, misspelled, fraught with errant grammar, adolescent... do these rise to your standards of quality journalism? Do you honestly think it a public service to give such minds a public forum?

For God's sake, remember your heritage ad your purpose. End these comments for good and see if you can write yourselves back into being journalists again.

Posted by: johnzero | August 25, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Can someone..anyone..please explain how they think Clinton was treated unfairly. SHe lost the pledged delegate count and the superdelegate count. She would have lost them even with full counts from Florida and Michigan. She lost...that's it..sorry. This argument that she won the "popular vote" is silly with regard to the primary because it excludes democratic voters from the caucus states. She basically won California and large parts of the Northeast...that's it. No one else likes her. I hate to say it, but I think she got all the votes she could ever get...regardless of who she ran against. I don't think there is any chance she could have won a general election. She is polarizing...maybe not in New York and Ohio, but come down to the Midwest and you will see. I loved the Clintons, but they don't own the party. They have to win a primary to get a nomination just like everyone else. I am sorry your horse lost...but please stop the nonsense. You are making fools of yourselves and the Democratic party on national and international stages. We cannot risk 4 more years of half-wits running the county...let it go!!!

Posted by: cab | August 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I see some comments that mention that the media cheated Hillary. What nonsense. In that same vein, should we say John Kerry lost because the media cheated him by not probing the swift boat campaign ? The media does whatever brings it more audience.

Every candidate tries to influence the media story. McCain continuosly tries to put pressure on Obama and the media laps it up. Shouldn't the media be focussing on McCain's lies in his ads ? You can't blame them. The candidates need to be smart about it. As a candidate, the media is also a customer/voter. You cannot reject that customer because you don't like what they are listening to.

In any case, why is that Obama's fault ? You don't have to vote for obama if you don't agree with his positions. But, just because your candidate lost in the primary (all rules being the same) is a flimsy reason

Posted by: fido | August 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

TJ WELDY: SAID "consider the huge number of people from my generation and younger turning out are tired of politics being driven by people like you "

It was people like me that voted AGAINST Bush in 2000 and 2004.........The democrats have really already lost when they have lost voters like me.....voters that do their research.....voters that know the rules and the foundation upon which the democratic party has been built....voters that know when the most qualified candidate is being treated in a sexist manner in order to promote another unqualified male like Bush.

VOTING McCAIN 2008 and HILLARY 2012

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton was cheated out of the nomination by the media, and by Obama not being vetted until after the first 9 primaries."

Of course, it had nothing to do with the way she ran her campaign. Why aren't you people pissed off at her for running a poor campaign, or supporting the d*&^% Iraq debacle and then not admitting it was a bad vote, or her campaign staff for screwing things up, or her husband for losing his cool and not listening to her?

Is she some sort of iconic, charismatic figure beyond reproach? A shining light in the darkness to be hailed as savior so great that you'd vote for a potentially disastrous option because she'll rise from the ashes to redeem our fated country from disaster wrong of the hands of the war mongering McCain?

Look, if Hillary won, I would vote for her. If Edwards won, even with the affair I would vote for him. If Richardson won (I wish) I would vote for him. Biden, Kucinich, whatever. Pretty much anyone is better to me than McCain, even many moderate Republicans.

None of these people are saints, none of them should be put on a pedestal, they are politicians and one should choose the candidate that one thinks will net the best result. A clear case can be made that the most critical thing is appointment of Supreme Court justices and the decisions that will come in the decades that follow. I have a pretty good idea who McCain would appoint and I have a pretty good idea how spineless the democrats will be in the face of said appointments.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Hillary was my only choice. Now I will be proud to vote for McCain. For those idiots who say it will be Hillary to blame when Obama loses (not if but a certainty), you can say whatever you want.

I do NOT care what Hillary wants me to do. Obama is NOT Hillary. My wife wants me to vote for Obama, but I've told her she can get a divorce if she doesn't like it! Now she has shut up. You want to blame my wife too because she's tried and failed???? What a bunch of LOSERS.

Posted by: Brent | August 25, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

sexist can apply to either sex and dumb certainly applies to either sex.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I took the time to prepare a carefully constructed, by-the-rules, measured response only to not see it posted. Now I feel like an idiot for taking the trouble. Thanks Washington Post!!

Posted by: Zaidi | August 25, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Just vote for the person you feel would be best to improve the country... that's all. Things have gotten a bit nutty the past few years, no one would debate that. McCain, Obama, Barr, Nader... whoever. No one should tell you who to vote for... but I think it is fair to point out that Obama and Clinton are very closely alligned on just about every important issue of the day. But I understand some are not voting on issues, so that may not matter.

Posted by: Charlie S | August 25, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"TJ : One who does not dee these and so many other Obama tactics as sexist.....is most likely sexist himself or just dumb. I feel bad for your Mother.

McCain 2008 and HILLARY 2012"

Interesting. TJ never specified their gender, yet you said, "...is most likely sexist HIMSELF or just dumb."

Who's being sexist now?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Isn't there a difference between a Hillary Supporter and a PUMA? I wouldn't lump the two together. In 2004, I was a Wesley Clark supporter but enthusiastically supported Kerry once he was the nominee. I think most Hillary Clinton supporters are doing exactly the same.

Being a PUMA is different. They have to ask themselves what they liked about Hillary and who would be closest to that. I do sense that to some, it was her being a woman. Newsflash, John McCain ALSO has a y-chromosome. But Obama shares most of her views which is why HILLARY CLINTON is supporting him.

All I know is, my mother-in-law LOVED Hillary Clinton and was disappointed when she lost. We have had many a discussion about the candidates. But when she saw the McCain ad using all of HRC's kitchen sink statements, I think she finally understood why I was so disappointed when HRC went down that road. She shook her head and looked at me and said "that wasn't right". She's supporting Obama but she sees how her candidate really hurt the party to try to elevate herself.

Posted by: Charlie S | August 25, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse


T J Weldy:
"If you think Obama won by somehow cheating Hillary"

Clinton was cheated out of the nomination by the media, and by Obama not being vetted until after the first 9 primaries.
Clinton deserved the nomination.

Now on top of this, Obama dumps her as VP, and then turns the responsibility of uniting the party over to her at denver. He is an extremely shallow person, supported by people of like kind.

Posted by: Billw | August 25, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I won't do it. I refuse to be told who to vote for, for the "good of the party". What a crock! This party has demonstrated a complete lack of respect toward Hillary and her supporters, to the degree of changing the rules whenever it suits their "Chosen One".

I will never vote for Obama. My conscience will not allow it. He is not the right person for the job, and I resent being force-fed all of this bs & hype that the Democratic Party and the Media are shoveling.

Posted by: NoWay | August 25, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Re:

TJ : One who does not dee these and so many other Obama tactics as sexist.....is most likely sexist himself or just dumb. I feel bad for your Mother.

McCain 2008 and HILLARY 2012


Whatever you have to say to make yourself feel better. I'm sorry that the lenses you choose to view to world through are so narrow and prejudiced and that you inflict this view on all of us. If you think Obama won by somehow cheating Hillary, consider the huge number of people from my generation and younger turning out are tired of politics being driven by people like you with deep personal problems you project on the world. Oh, and I haven't heard the sorry for you mother insult since middle school. That's just pathetic.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I am a McCain supporter, and will be voting for him. But I have to say, that I am a bit un-nerved by some of the comments I've seen here. To those of you who are supporting and voting for Senator Obama; good for you! You've found a candidate that you want, and you are standing behind him! To those of you who support Senator Clinton, please don't waste your vote by not voting! Your vote is the ONLY voice you have in government. I want McCain to win, but I value the vote above all. Cast your vote FOR someone! If you really don't think Senator Obama has what it takes to lead, then either vote for McCain, or write in a vote for Senator Clinton. You have a right to be heard. Exercise your right. VOTE!

Posted by: justmy2cents | August 25, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

There is a new breaking story out that will end Obama's chances for the White House. It seems Obama and Chris Matthews had an affair and that's why Matthews was experiencing "feelings up his leg" for Obama on air.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to see what Hillary says and does at the convention and follow her lead. I seriously doubt that an Obama administration would squander an excellent resource from what in my view are realtively small differences of opinion.

Posted by: Tom | August 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

A vote for Obama is a vote for Stalinism in America!

Not that anyone will have to worry about that criminal goon after I am done in Denver.

See y'all at the general.

Remember - Hillary or Death!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton | August 25, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

TJ : One who does not dee these and so many other Obama tactics as sexist.....is most likely sexist himself or just dumb. I feel bad for your Mother.

McCain 2008 and HILLARY 2012

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

At the moment there is no one running that is worthy or capable of being president. Obama lies almost as much as Hillary and McCain. But unfortunately anyone with reason and ethics would never be elected in the USA. The Demarcates do not want the truth to get out. The Republicans can not figure out what the truth is. There will not be any winners this election. Definitely not the people. More crime, more porn, more hate, more chaos, more greed, perversion, and more and more. That is because there are so many people that vote to get something for themselves instead of voting for the right person. Just read these posts. You can hear the selfishness.

Posted by: Mike | August 25, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

People keep saying that the angry Obama supporters make them want to vote for McCain. Have you forgotten that those people have nothing to do with the actual candidates? Why would you try and spite them when you are in turn spiting yourselves? I supported Hilary during the primaries and am sad that she lost; John McCain will never receive my vote. If the Dems don't take it now, the country is lost.

Posted by: Distraught | August 25, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I, like many women, waited for many years to see a woman in the White House. Just as everything was aligned and that might happen, the media has a torrid love affair with the "tall, dark handsome Obama.
Well...that tears it. For the first time, I am "witholding" my vote from the Democrat nominee. Obama has been given a free ride in the media limousine while they told us what a bit$# Hillary can be.
Well get this media... If Obama is going to lose because of you. He wasn't ready and you tried to make it happen anyway instead of reporting in an unbiased journalistic style.
Obama is going down, and you know what that means... McCain wins!

Posted by: Mary | August 25, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I think the Obama supporters on this forum are doing the greatest damage of all to his campaign. By talking down to Hillary supporters and demanding that they just get over it or to imply that no true Hillary supporter would ever vote for someone other than Obama is downright stupid.

They should be more concerned as to whether Obama really wants to win. How many presidential candidates in history have selected a VEEP that finished dead last in the primaries? Biden got a few hundred votes in Iowa before he bowed out. Wow, some powerhouse of a candidate!

It seems to me that Obama is taking Democrats on an egotistical joy ride, destination oblivion, just to keep himself in the news. The Obama/Biden ticket is a sure loser and republicans must be ecstatic.

It’s sad to see the democrats go down once again. This year was tailor made for. They don’t seem to realize that in order to bring change, you must win first.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Read the comments, this has got to be the worst country on the face of the Earth.

Nancy: I love Hillary and hate Obama. I will vote for McCain, even though he opposes abortion in all cases, rape and incest included. Even though his position on Iraq has been wrong. Even though he has no meaningful health care proposals. Even though he wants to give more tax cuts to the rich. I want Hillary, not Obama. So it's McCain for me.

Great you idiot, please vote for someone that will drive our country into the ground. Disgusting. So much righteous ignorance and empty pride.

Posted by: DustToDust | August 25, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

This was the problem with the "kitchen sink". It came up in the McCain ad (two now) and we are also seeing how the "kitchen sink" affected her supporters. Primary season really became a circular firing squad for democrats.

On another note, Clinton is expressing her wishes that her supporters give their full and enthusiastic support to Obama, and in her name, they aren't. For those of you who have read "The World According To Garp", Hillary Clinton has become "Ellen James" and the PUMA's are the "Ellen Jamesian Society". Its pretty sad they would vote against just about every one of Hillary Clinton's principles, policies and philosophies as a way of honoring her. I'm sure HRC is just as frustrated as the Obama campaign is. And I think HRC is going to have to eventually organize a conference call with them and give them an earful.

Posted by: Charlie S | August 25, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely unbelieveable! And I know some people who are saying that they would vote for McCain if Hillary WERE on the ticket. It's a real lose / lose proposition.

I hope to God that people will wake up to reality and get together to bring us a good government.

Posted by: Wayne Weiss | August 25, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse


Looks like theracist remarks slowed things down here.... Must have hit home.

Posted by: Billw | August 25, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Not that I believe any of this is true, but...

1)While giving a speech and saying the name Hillary, Obama flipped the bird and waited for his laugh.....VERY SEXIST

This is sexist? Wow, is it only sexist when a man does it to a woman? What makes that sexist? It sounds like a non-gender specific insult. It sounds more sexist to think that an insult is sexist by virtue of the fact than a man does it to a woman rather than the nature of the insult.


2) When asked about Hillary in a debate, Obama said "she's likable enough"...VERY SEXIST!!

Wow, so I can see his non-praise here as an insult, but again, it is not gender specific, and therefore is not really sexist.

3)Failing to speak against the media sexist tactics like talk of Hillary's "cackle" or 'Cleavage"......was the same as saying it himself....VERY SEXIST

One could also say he didn't dignify this trash by pointing it out. And if he had spoken out against, lets be honest here, how many Hillary supporters would have said he's being chivalrous and therefore sexist.

4) Calling a reporter "sweetie"....VERY SEXIST

Obama:

"I broke my word, I apologize for that, and I will make up for it," Obama said.

Then the meat: "Second apology is for using the word 'sweetie.' That's a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people. I mean no disrespect and so I am duly chastened on that front. Feel free to call me back. I expect that my press team will be happy to try to make it up to you whenever we are in Detroit next."

He acknowledges that he has a problem and is willing to make amends for it. Of course calling a woman sweetie is unforgivable, I guess.

5)Pretending Bill CLinton was race baiting for stating an historical fact, "Jesse Jackson won SC too"....Clearly Obama is the RACIST and yes you can be black and racist.

Because there's no context when Bill Clinton says something! Seriously. Please at least apply the rules BOTH SIDES!

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse


"Unions have been destroyed by shipping good jobs overseas."

You have the cause and the effect reversed. Unions are no longer about fairness. They are all about greed at the expense of all else. Customers pay for union greed with higher prices. In the end unions have almost no real effect on corporations, but a large and bad effect on the consumer price index. This is because the corporations pass the added unionized expenses on to the consumer. In reality, unions just represent a stealth tax on everyone for the benefit of a few.

As for jobs going overseas: Corporations can, should, and will, find every way they can to cut the costs of production. If the unions will not be reasonable, then the corporations will get the work done at a fair price in another market. And they should. It helps keep our prices down in spite of the unions.

It really bugs me when someone parrots some political line just because it sounds good. Take some time to do some actual research. Try your hand at a little bit of math. Figure this stuff out for yourself.

The reality is that unions have forced corporations to fill jobs overseas by greedy and unreasonable pay demands. America is simply stronger when free enterprise is allowed to drive the economic engine.

The Government has no business being in business. They are really very bad at it.

Posted by: selfemployeed | August 25, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"yes you can be black and racist."

Actually very few blacks are NOT racists. If 95% of whites had voted for Hillary because she's white, wouldn't they have been off the wall racist??? DoN"T tell me 95% of blacks voted for the Messiah because Hillary was satan.

Posted by: matt | August 25, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Back when the nominating process first produced Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama as front runners, my reaction was definitely positive.

Either candidate seemed like a welcome change from the current administration. And while you should not vote for someone simply due to their race or gender, the fact that our front runners were, in turn, a woman and a man of African decent indicated that we might, as a country, actually believe that.

I saw it as a sign our country had managed to mature despite the evidence of the last eight years.
But we still insult and argue rather than discuss. We are still threatened by opinions that differ from ours. As long as this is true, Dems are no different than Repubs. Deal with it.

Having said all of that, I still have concerns about Obama. Mostly because I still have no idea what his plan is to lead. Really. And I've looked. I find that I actually need information to make an informed opinion. All you can find about the man is how popular he is, or how pissed the Neocons are that he's so popular. Any article out there is so biased one way or another that it's difficult not to question everything they say. I would be happy to put my vote behind Obama - just as soon as I know what it is I'm voting for.

McCain is no alternative, however. Please don't subject this country to 4 more years of bad ideas just because you're mad that Clinton didn't win. Lot's of us were dissapointed.

Posted by: K MacKenzie | August 25, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot of posters on this site are sheep in wolves clothing, however, the Obama supporters do seem as mean as they can be. I've listened to a lot of Obama hype on television, and I have came to the conclusion that much of the media are as chauvenistic as they claim others to be.
There has been an anti-female undercurrent throughout this campaign season. In the guise of "lifting black Americans up" by campaigning for Obama, the collective media has pushed women back down "where they belong." It makes me mad... not angry, MAD!
I beginning to understand how Republicans feel.

Posted by: Rita | August 25, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

AP: Your low intelligence level is showing when you you claim,

"I watched the primaries and cannot but see respect for Hillary by Obama. This talk of disrespect is nothing but a smear attack to create division among democrats."

I do not believe any one is sooooo stupid that they fail to see the obvious sexist tactics Obama played but I will give you a few:
1)While giving a speech and saying the name Hillary, Obama flipped the bird and waited for his laugh.....VERY SEXIST
2) When asked about Hillary in a debate, Obama said "she's likable enough"...VERY SEXIST!!
3)Failing to speak against the media sexist tactics like talk of Hillary's "cackle" or 'Cleavage"......was the same as saying it himself....VERY SEXIST
4) Calling a reporter "sweetie"....VERY SEXIST
5)Pretending Bill CLinton was race baiting for stating an historical fact, "Jesse Jackson won SC too"....Clearly Obama is the RACIST and yes you can be black and racist.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

this is exactly what i am talking about. Name calling? It's mean-spirited people like you encourage people like me not to support your candidate. If Obama loses the election, you and your type can take a lot of credit for it.

___________________________________________
Out of the 17-18million Hillary supporters, how many will actually be spiteful and self-defeating enough to vote for McCain? My bet is that they amount to about 1% of her base because I believe the vast majority are well balanced individuals who can agree with Obama's positions since they are no much different than Hillary's. So if you're generous with how many supporters you account for, which I will concede might be 18 million, then 1% of them equals 180,000. Fine, there are still at least 5 million unregistered urban voters across all of the electorate map that will statistically vote in favor of a democrat. Even if he uncharacteristically only gets a third of these folks to show up, then that still outnumbers the few morons from Hillary's clan. Leave the bitter old tarts alone. I think the math is on Obama's side for more ways than this little comparison. The angry Hillary supporters account for a lot of hot air but not much else.

Posted by: not_all_hillary_supporters_are_dumb | August 25, 2008 12:07 PM

Posted by: Buckeye Bob | August 25, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

And about the myth of Republicans not raising taxes...

Deficit spending is a tax. Borrowing from foreign countries causes inflation - we are effectively putting more money in circulation. So the Republicans have been heavily taxing you for a long time, and if you don't know this, sorry, you've been punked. Don't yell at me either, its not my fault you've been had, its yours. Take responsibility for it instead of blaming someone else.

Also, the borrowing from sources at home must be repaid by someone. Since we have so much debt you're basically robbing kids in school and the unborn you claim to care about so much. Maybe its because you want more people to pay for your party's spending habits. Ouch.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh's operation chaos urged republicans to vote for Hillary during primaries. After the vote I listened to many on radio and was infuriated to hear these dispicable people saying they had to shower after voting Hillary. These are the same republicans who now wants Hillary votes. C'mon people have smartened up...I for one voted Hillary and not a chance I will vote Mccain.

Posted by: AP | August 25, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Out of the 17-18million Hillary supporters, how many will actually be spiteful and self-defeating enough to vote for McCain? My bet is that they amount to about 1% of her base because I believe the vast majority are well balanced individuals who can agree with Obama's positions since they are no much different than Hillary's. So if you're generous with how many supporters you account for, which I will concede might be 18 million, then 1% of them equals 180,000. Fine, there are still at least 5 million unregistered urban voters across all of the electorate map that will statistically vote in favor of a democrat. Even if he uncharacteristically only gets a third of these folks to show up, then that still outnumbers the few morons from Hillary's clan. Leave the bitter old tarts alone. I think the math is on Obama's side for more ways than this little comparison. The angry Hillary supporters account for a lot of hot air but not much else.

Posted by: not_all_hillary_supporters_are_dumb | August 25, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"How many James-types are out there in thwe Obama camp?" Probably 5-10 million at least. A woman at Princeton who supported Obama told a reporter she couldn't even stand her Princeton male friends' trash talk on Hillary----like Hillary is worse than a mother who allows 100 men to gang rape her own daughter while she's enjoying watching it taking place.

Posted by: val | August 25, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"OSAMA / BIDEN LADEN TICKET?" WOW, THAT'S STRANGE....!

Posted by: barbie13607 | August 25, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

After reading all these posts, I want to repeat what I said in a different forum and personally thank all the pro Obamba people who have encouraged staunch Hillary supporters like me to “get over it.” You have been very effective because I am now finally “over it.” - I am now CERTAIN that I will vote for McCain. Before I read your comments, I was on the fence, preferring to just sit out the election.

Once again, thank you.

Hillary in 2012!!

Posted by: Pixie | August 25, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Brothers and Sisters on the Left and Right:

Please consider above all else John McSame's willingness to reinstitute the military draft. I hope that this story will begin to resonate with many of the truly sad, frustrated Hillary supporters who (or right wing bloggers pretending to be Hillary supporters). McSame wants to conscript your children for more misguided military confrontations. Give him the power as president and make arrangements for long-term health care for your mangled kids or funerals when they return home from John's wars. John has not supported GI bill reformation or increased funding for veteran's care. As children of the 60s we already have seen the damage done by administrations believing that war is the answer. I do not believe that fathers and mothers from either party will permit this old man to send their children off to Iran or Georgia. Please vote against war and reinstitution of Selective Service.

Posted by: Jimimosey | August 25, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

To Hillary Voters: If you even have doubts about voting for Obama, all you have to remember how the republicans and swift boaters thrashed Bill and Hillary all-over the radio talk shows including the right wing TV faux news. Republicans are no friend of Clintons I watched the primaries and cannot but see respect for Hillary by Obama. This talk of disrespect is nothing but a smear attack to create division among democrats. If McCain is elected these same republican party will again go back to thrashing Hillary. So, lets' all unite and kick out the party who will only spread hatred.

Posted by: AP | August 25, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama has showed he can talk a good game but now his lack of experience is beginning to show. McCain and his bunch are starting to make a fool of him and he keeps playing right into his hand. Why would Camp Obama try and make an issue of the houses McCain owns after all the crap with Rezko is just sitting there to be exposed again - stupid!

Our party would be winning by 20 points if Hillary were the nominee, and now we are tied with a 72 year old Senator whose own party doesn't like him. We will regret this move, the superdelegates should have insisited it was Hillary.

I am not making a decision today, but i am going to keep sitting and watching Obama. I don't want to vote Republican, but I can't say I won't for sure.

P.S. All the angry Obama supporters really make me question whether or not I want him and his nasty supporters in charge of anything. So you may want to tone it down people.

Posted by: Buckeye Bob | August 25, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"Women shouldn't be allowed to vote! Here we have one chance to git it right and Hillary gonna screw it up for all of us. You old blue-hair women talkin trash on Obama need to shut up and sit down. Let the man have his say. Hillary jusa old bag a wind anyhow."

Ladies, this is why we who support Hillay must not vote for Obama - no matter what! Read what James T. has to say about us and then... think. How many James-types are out there in thwe Obama camp, and what do they have to offer us for our vote? If Obama's inability to articulate policy doesn't detour you, James T. should!

Posted by: James T | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not HIllary has a lot of power right now because she knows her career is O-V-E-R. So what has she got to lose?

Her supporters are just angry old women and old racists with nothing to lose. They are more encouraged by the prospect of seeing a lot of young people's long faces on election day then seeing a president with good plans and intelligent views in the White House.

All these sad uneducatd excuses such as: FL & MI votes (which HIllary agreed to then backed away when she started losing)...SEXISM (eventhough the research & exit polls showed her gender actually HELPED her and Obama's race HURT him)..are just that EXCUSES.

It's just a smoke screen to cover up the fact that this is a racist country with cultural bias and nobody wants to vote for a black man with an Arab name. Simple as that.

To pretend the American electorate is somehow sophisticated and passed attack politics and racial baiting is to severly over estimate the intelligence of the average American.

John & Jane Q. Budweiser will always pick racial hatred over the success of their own country. sad reality.

BUt I guess tha's just reverse racism right ;-)

Posted by: CA | August 25, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe what I am reading here. It is sad.
All because of ego's.
CNN did not make Obama the nominee, it was Clinton's leadership that cost her the nomination, it is that simple. She did not campaign in caucus states like Washington.
Can you afford 4 more years of the same because of ego's? I can't!

Posted by: Layne | August 25, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

In the real world and on a daily basis, well qualified women are passed over for promotions in favor of less qualified males. This affects everyone that has a Mother, wife, daughter or sister. In this primary the problem is obvious. Obama is far less qualified than Hillary.....in fact there is no comparison, even his plans are mostly copied from Hillary. It was not the voters that passed up this very qualified women in favor of the much less qualified Obama, as more voters went to the polls and voted for Hillary than Obama or any other candidate in the history of primaries. It is the DNC itself that chose to pass up the more qualified female for the less qualified male. Now if it were the RNC, then this action would make sense with the history of the RNC but this action makes no sense for the DNC which had always stood for the equal rights of all people. This year is unlike any in my lifetime in that we have a Republican candidate that is not the usual conservative......John McCain is the straight talking politician that has voted with the democrats so often that John Kerry seriously considered asking McCain to be his VP in 2004. Joe Biden has said he would run with or against McCain and if he lost to McCain, he would know that he lost to a good man. Some will claim that a democrat must be elected to save Roe v Wade from being overturned when up to 3 Supreme Court Justices are replaced but this is a scare tactic since no one can be appointed to the Supreme Court with out the approval of the Senate by majority......Democrats are the majority of Senators and will not approve a conservative Justice no matter who is President.

This year is very important for equal rights. The democratic party will learn very quickly not to by pass on the most qualified candidate just because that person happens to be a female, if and only if Obama loses this year. Added to the fact that Obama is clearly unqualified....
Join me in Saving Our Sisters equal rights by voting John McCain and sending the DNC a very loud message.

S.O.S. (Save Our Sisters)
VOTE McCAIN 2008 and HILLARY 2012

Posted by: Jodi | August 25, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

For me, a gay man, and a hate crime, survivior not having Hillary on the ticket is a real hit to the Gay community. All my friends, most are fans of both Bill and Hill, feel like our votes are being taken for granted. I hear many Barak people saying: get over it! Not so easy to just stop supporting the first President to refuse to automatically hate us. Hillary actually marched in the New York Civil rights march here too. Hey we are only about 7-10 million votes who allways show up no matter what. Most of us feel like the Barak folks are standing on our shoulders looking down at us. He does not, or can not, support equality for gay people, so where is the change for us? Honestly, the gay community has no real supporters now and we all know it. It was so simple. Party unity: bring the other 18 million voters into the fold and win the White House. The Hillary snub may of only cost half the gay vote. But that's only about 4 million. As I have read from so many Barak supporters: who needs us any way. Good luck!

Posted by: Scotch9 | August 25, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"No Universal Health Care"
This is pretty amusing. "Universal Healthcare" is an interesting way of putting "Government Healthcare." (...)

We have mediocre health care for the highest price tag in the world. We have incentive system that makes profit when health care is denied. As for the VA, it is run by people that are trying to prove government doesn't work by doing a lousy job.

"No Pulling out Of the Iraq War"
2 for 2 here. The war is over. (...)

It has been for years, "Major combat operations are over..." We have an occupation that is being bankrolled by our children and that is hurting our military and their families.

"No Tax reduction to the poor and middle class."
3 for 3.. WOW - you are brilliant. Lets say this so you can understand it. THE POOR DO NOT PAY TAXES.

What's the weather like on your planet? 'Poor' people who are making little enough may not have to pay FEDERAL taxes but you'll find sales taxes, social security taxes, medicare taxes, are paid most heavily by the poor through the middle class.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

An African American always has to be twice as smart, work three times as hard to get anywhere in this racist society of ours. In 30 years of my adult life, I have never heard of any candidate being described by the media as" the american people do not know Obama" after 19 months of campaigning. Any one who has followed the elections knows who Obama is. But because of his race, that is the excuse pepole come up with. And to those supposed Clinton supporters who will vote for MCCain, it only shows that your interest in the election was not about the issues, but about the individual. Some of you can not farthom voting for a black candidate, and that's all there is to it. Let's call a spade a spade. If you think Hillary has a chance in 2012, think again. Democrats do not go for loosers. Check history, once you have lost, you can come back to run but you will not get votes.
If you think Hillary will have a chance in 2012, check history my friends. It will not happen, especially if she is the reason Obama looses.

Posted by: Leelo | August 25, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"You men hate women and we women hate men"

- Raven Lee

Thanks, Raven! Nice to know that the militant lesbian faction is well represented here.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

i am a Hillary supporter. and now more than ever i am determined that Obama is not ready to lead this country. i will vote for McCain
the DNC selected Obama against the people's choice.
now i wish i could remove my name from the democrat party list so i stop getting emails asking for money.

Posted by: linda | August 25, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jane in fl | August 25, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

NOTE TO PUMA's:

Please specify whether you're an old, fat, menopausal beotch or a limp wristed softboi when posting.

Thanks,

The Management

Posted by: The Management | August 25, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

It think it is healthy to watch democraps tear themselves apart over Hellary and Obama.

It has been fun watching. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Steve | August 25, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't think you get it. Clinton supporters will WITHOLD their vote for Obama. They won't vote for McCain.

Just as you voted for Obama and you can live with that choice; so we voted for Hillary and we stand by our choice.

I will not vote for a man who is wishy washy and changes his opinion and now wants to allow drilling in the artic reserve and in the Gulf of Mexico.

And please, "what comes around goes around"? We said that first. And we'll say that last. You men bash her. We bash your candidate. Simple.

You men hate women and we women hate men.

And if you retaliate when Hillary runs again, then you may as well just switch to being Republican.

Obama can't be elected. This country does not want him. Most women don't want him. IN this Republican economy, McCain is leading now in the polls. How much of a gimme can you get and still lose this election???

Posted by: Raven Lee | August 25, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Mistaken poster wrote
Remember that 1/2 the people in this country supported Hillary Clinton.

No, actually, 1/2 the people who bothered to vote in the DEM primary supported HRC.
In Texas, only 15% of those under 26 voted at all in the primary.

18 million= 10% of the adult population voted for HRC.

49% of adult Americans oppose her under any circumstances. Her negatives make it impossible for her to win a national election. She is not a good VP candidate. Her presence would only energize the right wing.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong Democrat and pretty much work with the same.
I'm a union worker and pretty much work with the same.
I come from a Blue state.
I gotta tell you the harsh reality.
I know many more people saying that they are NOT voting for Obama than say they are. It's almost 2 to 1 against.
But I witnessed several of these people saying they WOULD vote for Obama in front of either Blacks are other ardent Obama supporters.
I see a landslide against Obama.
The story will be how the US has a dark underbelly of racism... pffffffffffffft.
The only reason Obama's polls are sort of high is for fear of being called a racist.
Obama will lose the way a black or white extremely liberal/socialist would.
Obama is merely an attempt to use white guilt to sneak a socialist into the Oval office.
It will NEVER happen.
I'm starting to hate my party's extremism.

Posted by: DemocratHere | August 25, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm a PUMA hear me roar,

I'm exceedingly fat, hear me snore!

Men have dissed me all my life,

I threaten my husband with a knife!

Johnny McCain he don't look so bad,

His bald head reminds me of my Dad!

Some say PUMA's are gutless, yes they do,

When I reflect on it I know it's true!

Posted by: Hillary sucks | August 25, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

if there were no supreme court appointment likely in the near future...

let's face it. I did vote for hilary but would have switched to someone else if necessary. but not to obama. and especially not now with biden.

there really is no good choice. i've never not voted but suppose there is always a first.

Posted by: potentially clouded by emotion | August 25, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Thank you for the correction.

Posted by: Michael - Wahsington, DC | August 25, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

James in NC:
"I never thought Hillary supporters would be so vitriolic when Hill lost."

Clinton was cheated out of the nomination by the media and Obama not beion vetted until after the first 9 primaries. It will cost Obama the election.

Posted by: Billw | August 25, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It really is self defeating for some misguided Clinton supporters to try to make trouble for Obama during the Convention.Those who naively think she will get her chance come 2012 are probably deluding themselves.Has anyone stopped to consider the possibility that a third more acceptable candidate could emerge out of the dust and ashes to deny Hillary the crown in such a scenario? After all Obama was an unknown entity a few years ago and most folk had assumed for most of the last decade that Clinton already had the Democratic Nomination and even the Presidency in her bag. The interest of all Democratics NOW and in the FUTURE is best served by supporting Obama whole heartedly. It is in the interest of the Clintons to reign in their more vociferous supporters. Even tacit approval by Hillary for these disgruntled supporters could one day come back to haunt her. We have been warned.

Posted by: Brian Musah | August 25, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"No Universal Health Care"
This is pretty amusing. "Universal Healthcare" is an interesting way of putting "Government Healthcare." You are not going to get "universal" healthcare out of Obama either. You MIGHT get "Government Healthcare." If you want to know how that works, ask a vet who is using the VA. The government is incompentant, and couldn't run a gas station. That doesn't get better with Obama in charge.

"No Pulling out Of the Iraq War"
2 for 2 here. The war is over. This is a pointless argument. Only in the minds of the BDS folks is this even an issue.

"No Tax reduction to the poor and middle class."
3 for 3.. WOW - you are brilliant. Lets say this so you can understand it. THE POOR DO NOT PAY TAXES. How can you lower taxes for people who don't pay them? This is the longest running joke in history. Let's not mention the fact that Democrats don't lower taxes. PERIOD. They might raise taxes on "rich people" but they never lower them. I live in a Democrat run state that has promised to lower my taxes every year for the past 30 years and NEVER has. The middle class will continue to be the hardest hit by taxes until they institute a fair tax. If you believe that Obama is going to do that you are fooling yourself.

"No commitment to the public education system."
Public education is, in its current state, the among the worst run enterprises on the planet, at least where I live. We spend more per student on average than 90% of the country, and we place no higher than the 40-45 percentile in national performance. I don't know what the answer is, but I know for a fact that throwing more of my tax dollars at it isn't helping.

I hate to say it, but your entire view of what is going to be accomplished by an Obama presidency is a pipe dream. We could not be helped, and most likely would be hurt if, by any chance, he actually planned to stand by what he says, which I doubt.

I know the typical reader here is either moronically elitist or totally indoctrinated, but I decided to chime in anyway.. It is easy to see, reading the messages here, how blind you people are. It would be amusing if you didn't have the right to vote.

Posted by: LOLCAT | August 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"Just ask April Palmer"

It's ALICE Palmer, in case anybody wants to Google her.

Posted by: prettierthanthou | August 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I will not vote in november if Hillary is not the nominee..

Posted by: kathy | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.

Posted by: John McCain | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Hillary's hateful supporters have already done more harm to feminism than men could ever do. If they blow the election for Obama, she will probably be the LAST woman ever even considered for nomination.

Posted by: Thomas | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

HRC's wins in NY are interesting.

Obama got zero votes in 82 precincts in NYC in the primary.
Many were in Harlem.

When questioned about entering zero's for Obama's votes, the police who entered the data, said, in each case, "I must have made a mistake".


Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If Hillary supporters want to sit this one out or vote for McCain, I have bad news for you. You'll only have yourself to blame for four more years of an administration that has financially brought this country to its knees.

While you wait for Hillary's next opportunity in 2012, this country will fall four years deeper in debt that our children will be burdened with.

Afterwards, Obama and Clinton supporters will be at each others throats in 2012 pointing fingers at each other once again setting the party up for another loss.

I can see Rush Limbaugh and his 'holier than thou' fanatics laughing at democrats blowing a great opportunity.

Can't you see that the republicans are just loving all of this?

The writing is on the wall.

UNITE!

Posted by: Don T. | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Women shouldn't be allowed to vote! Here we have one chance to git it right and Hillary gonna screw it up for all of us. You old blue-hair women talkin trash on Obama need to shut up and sit down. Let the man have his say. Hillary jusa old bag a wind anyhow.

Posted by: James T | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

what a farce all this political talk is. you all talk as if its a free election or something. when the " electors" of the electoral college cast theire vote you can be sure itll be for the older white man as usual. obama may win the popularity contest but mccain will be president. as for hillary, who can forget that she voted for the war and called a group of college basketball girls players heroes while jumping into a silly radio talk shows jabs at them. HEROES! can you imagine that? those children heroes?? great country. great leaders . yea sure

Posted by: cojaysea | August 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"What will all these Hillary2012 supporters say when, at the convention, Hillary announces that Obama asked her first if she would like to be VP and she said no because she prefered her position of power in the Senate?"

Many -- and probably MOST -- Clinton supporters did not want her to be on the ticket with Obama because when that ticket loses -- and it will definitely lose by a lot -- it would be easier to blame the loss on Hillary.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah but lets remember WHY they voted for BO! How sad we live in a society that votes for someone based on their color. If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, it probably IS a rat. Typical Chicago dirty politics is what he is all about. Just ask April Palmer. Oh and by the way, she is an Afircan-American woman who was unseated by BO and volunteered for Hillary.

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | August 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I never thought Hillary supporters would be so vitriolic when Hill lost. With that attitude they should join up with the GOP because that is the kind of behavior we expect from the GOP. I suggest that all these sore losers jump on a Swift Boat an fly their true, capitulating flag. Bye bye, and please slam the door behind ya.

Posted by: James in NC | August 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Have you ever considered that perhaps what you are witnessing with these comments is a campaign of misinformation? Could it be that many of these former Clinton supporters were never really Clinton supporters in the first place, and this is just round two of Limbaugh's operation? It would certainly be a crafty and effective move -- plant doubt about Obama and divide the Democratic party.

If you supported Clinton, you could not rationally switch support to McCain. If you do, your judgement is clouded by emotion.

Posted by: JT | August 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Remember that 1/2 the people in this country supported Hillary Clinton. I'm not going to vote for McCain because I really don't want a bunch of religious extremists controlling the Supreme Court.

That being said, I don't like Obama. I don't think he earned his place. I think he rode a wave of media hype to an inappropriate appointment as the nominee. I think he IS elitist and his arrogance is a little too Bushesque for my comfort. I am not a racist, but I have serious concerns about the issues facing our country and I'd prefer a serious candidate.

I am angry at the Democratic party for risking our future on an untried candidate. All we've gotten to date is show and the narrowing gap in the polls show more than 'irrational female behavior' (with a spit in the eye to the wife beater who posted that)... it shows predictable buyer's remorse as voters wake up and realize that they don't really know their candidate.

Most democratics will vote democrat. Its the independents who have been given a choice between the lessor of 2 evils that will dedcide the race.

Posted by: Mel | August 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

ditto to "Long live Rush."

I never thought I would like George W. But I would take W over a Chicago-machine groomed street thug any day.

Posted by: Brent | August 25, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The responsibility of reconciling Hillary's supporters is hers. It seems obvious that she says one thing and telegraphs another. She suspended her candidacy rather than concede, she retained her delegates rather than released them. She delayed when she could/should have stepped up and been sincere and adamant. So what else were they to think, but that she still wants them loyal to her, in her camp, waiting for another signal another manuver, another way they could serve her. Eventhough, any graciousness and care for the best for the country and for the party would have dictated a long time ago that she should have decidedly, clearly released them and allowed them to emotionally to move on. It is her job to do that now or we will all pay the price for her ego.

Posted by: lolo | August 25, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Like many of my fellow Americans I am stunned by the childish and selfish ego of the Hillary supporters who want to vote for McCain or not to vote. Like it's been suggested you will not only help divide the Democatic party but jeopardize Hillarys political career. If she had been nominated the Republicans would have attacked her and Bill visiously; taking our minds and their focus off the issues. As for McCain he will have your sons and daughters continuing in a war that's not necessary for our national security and he truly does not understand the common man. So if you feel confident in him answering the late night call, you are not following your heart and soul but your ego and that's not the character of a great America.

Posted by: Devon | August 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Nate, did it ever occur to you that the job of government is something other than 'creating jobs'? Creating jobs is the domain of private industry, you moron. Only a strong economy based on free enterprise can produce jobs. Unless, of course, as a true socialist, you are thinking of Roosevelt-era job creation wherein the Government created jobs as an emergency response to a failed economy. As a multi-degreed (any of the degrees happen to be in an area of study that is actually worth something on the open market??) individual, you should know about these concepts...or maybe you do know and just expect Mother Government to spoon feed you everything including your job, education, retirement, health care and wipe your butt when you're done eating your government issued meal for the day? In my world, I provide all those things for myself, and much more, all without any involvement in the government save for the oppressive taxes I pay to give people like you that daily meal and wipe before you head out for your government provided job that Bush should have created for you out of thin air.

Posted by: bluzplayer | August 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Since these commentors are anonymous and unverifiable, I suspect the following:
1. Hillary supporters, while vehement, are not stupid. They won't vote for McCain, and they don't want to see the latest ultra-rich Republican McCain in the Whitehouse.
2. Republican dirty tricks campaigners invented the "Swift Boat" tactic, and they can surely invent the "Swift Comment" tactic to sow discord and disunity in the Democratic Party during an election year that they CANNOT WIN unless Democrats take their eyes off the ball and fall into intra-party backbiting.
Click on any of these "Hillary controversy" IDs and you'll see they were created today, or have posted pro-Republican comments previously.

So here's my recommendation:

Ignore all this noise about Hillary....most if it is just that...noise...likely created by Republican strategists. Focus on electing the Democratic President we need to start leading us away from the greed-driven, big corporate, war machine, big oil, big Wall Street Bank stupidity that has bought and controlled government policy for the last 8 years.

Take back the Whitehouse.

Take back the country.

Get on with it.

Posted by: Justaguy2 | August 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I am perfectly comfortable voting mccain


he will have a democratic congress so i for the life of me see him continuing the bush policies

the bush people have agreed now on a leave Iraq day so that kinda got pushed off the table as well

Posted by: sidney smith | August 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

If you support Hellary, buy her nut cracker.

If you support Obama, buy him "Being President for Idiot's"

If you are a democrap. Buy a hammer and sickle.

If you are for neither, thank the EIB Network!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"I would rather dig Regan up and park his corpse in the Oval Office and pretend he is still alive than see a socialist in the White House."

Perhaps you should seek some sort of therapy for these thoughts you're having. They are not 'normal', 'healthy', or 'rational'. Seriously, get help before you get a gun out and start shooting anything you perceive as 'socialist'. I'll pay for your first session. No joke.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

At least McCain isn't a socialist.

Posted by: bluzplayer | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM

Why exactly is that supposed to be such a good thing? So we can support the WTO with $100 billion bailouts and leave the medical system the most expensive in the world?

Since the trilateral commission began the destruction of the Bronx, the powers that be have been making it more difficult to obtain a college degree. That's the opposite of a democratic society.

Unions have been destroyed by shipping good jobs overseas.

That's the anti-socialist party in action. What's so great about having a rich upper class and the value of the dollar is 1/2 what it was in 2000?

Socialist, liberal, those are not dirty words anymore. Nixon and Reagan are DEAD. The people need services, including reasonable medical, access to adult re-training when their work is ended by the WTO.

And we need a constitutional amendment to end the LEGAL FICTION that corporations have the rights of a person.
Companies are meddling in the referendum process. That has to stop, to restore democracy.

Yes, McCain is not a socialist. He is an adulterous multi-millionaire who supports torture of suspects by the CIA and has put our troops at risk of torture thereby.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 25, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I just have to say that it would be a mistake for Clinton supporters to vote for McCain in hopes for Clinton to be elected in 4 years. Remember that there are more Obama supporters than there are Clinton supporters. If you think that Obama supporters will vote for Clinton after dividing the party, you are mistaken. She can’t win without the African American vote anyways, and she already lost there vote forever.

Posted by: mfarrell | August 25, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"If Obama loses now, he and Hillary will be in the primaries together again in 2012."

If Obama loses now, he's history. No serious person thinks that the Democrats would ever nominate him again, for anything. And hopefully, Pelosi, Dean and Reid will also leave the scene so the Dems can regroup.

Posted by: prettierthanthou | August 25, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

One reason that Republicans have a measure of respect for Senator Clinton is that she actually has experience and a pretty good head on her shoulders. I don't understand all these simpletons who would vote for Obama. He HAS NO EXPERIENCE. In a job as important as being the President it would be nice to know that the person we elect truly knows what he or she is doing instead of having only made vague promises about "change."

Posted by: Rob | August 25, 2008 10:32 AM


Obama has a lot more experience than Hillary. She wasn't president, you know, Bill was. Hillary's also never won a campaign against a real opponent. Bill's influence shoved all the deserving NY Democrats out of the way so she could run against Lazio and the no-name opponent she beat (after spending over $20 million!) in 2006. Her first actual challenge was a disaster, where she squandered every possible advantage to lose the Democratic nomination to a newcomer.

As for the Republicans respecting her, you've apparently completely missed the past 20 years.

Posted by: aleks | August 25, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm a republican posing as a democrat during the democratic national convention. I've spent $4,000 of my own money to fly out to Denver from Atlanta, make picket signs and banners, all in order to make people think there's no unity in the democratic party to ensure my canidate (Ol' Mc) wins this year!

Rediculous...

Posted by: Russell | August 25, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm a PUMA hear me roar,

I'm exceedingly fat, hear me snore!

Men have dissed me all my life,

I threaten my husband with a knife!

Johnny McCain he don't look so bad,

His bald head reminds me of my Dad!

Some say PUMA's are gutless, yes they do,

When I reflect on it I know it's true!

Posted by: Hillary's muse | August 25, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I would just once like to see a person nominated for the office of President that is actually a "qualified" leader. Why are we always stuck with the choice of voting for media celebraties who have no proven leadership capabilities? We are never offered a good choice, we are left only to pick the lesser of two evils. Is there really a single person out there that honestly thinks that McCain, Obama or even Hillary, can lead this Country out of the poor state of affairs that the Bush administration has created?

Posted by: OutragedCitizen | August 25, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Here's a link to the HuffPo story, "Die-Hard Hillary Supporters Play To Win at Democratic Convention."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-tucker/die-hard-hillary-supporte_b_121003.html

Posted by: Diane Tucker | August 25, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Why are Democrats so afraid of the Clintons?

Why do they spend so much time sucking up to the Clintons and worrying about whether they are happy or sad?

The Clintons are doing just fine without you guys....they've managed to rake in $100 million a year without a single blue collar voter's help. And for all the women who are wringing their hands, please remember that Hillary didn't seek you out until after she lost Iowa and looked to lose New Hampshire.

Until Democrats are able to let go of their fear of "what will Bill and Hillary think" and stand on their own two feet, they will continue to lose presidential elections.

McCain's counting on it.

Posted by: Suzanne | August 25, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Hello? The polls are giving only half of hillary supporters to Obama. He also has just 73% of democrats support. You people thinking Hillary holdouts are just republicans in disguise are delusional and in for a rude awakening. Wake up. It is FACT that the party is fractured. Fools.

Posted by: Amy | August 25, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Julian from London (UK) said, "Hillary has balls. None of the other candidates have them." I totally agree. She's been called a b**ch, but do you know ANY woman who has risen to the top of corporate or political arena who is not a b**ch?

She's tough as steel, BUT she also has a BRAIN, which is almost impossible to locate on either of the two left. (Think: visited 57 states exclusive of AK and HI which he hadn't been to. Think: 10,000 people killed in Kansas twisters in a couple of hours.) OR [Think: Iraq-Afghanistan border.] If one has to choose between the two evils, why not vote for Nader or Barr or simply sit out.

What a crying shame! Oh, Bill Clinton is a racist? So is Hillary? PUMA!

Posted by: Brent | August 25, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"if Obama should loose the election Hillary Clinton will be blamed 100% and she , her husbad and dear Chelsea can kiss goodbye to their political career"

I'm sure Obama will try to blame Hillary if he loses. "Blaming everybody else" seems to be fundamental to him and his supporters. But the blame won't stick, as long as Hillary is not on the ticket. I don't think Hillary will have any problem being reelected to her Senate seat here in New York -- if that's what you're trying to say.

If a lot of us detest him enough to vote for McCain instead, that's HIS fault -- not Hillary's.

Posted by: prettierthanthou | August 25, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse


PROFILE OF A LOW_LIFE

Obama scams Clinton out of the nomination (not vetted until after the first 9 primaries), dumps her as VP, and then turns the responsibility of uniting the party over to her at denver.

Posted by: Billw | August 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant decision Obama! Now Mccain can capitalize on hillary anger, pundits will point out all the contradictions and disagreements between Obama and Biden, the unusual choice will leave everyone wondering why not hillary in comparison to Biden, and it will reopen hillary anger over the closest primary in history in which you could argue hillary had a higher popular vote. I don't who Obama's advisors are, but they were clearly idiots blinded by their hatred for Hillary. Congratulations Obama!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

So here's the question:

What will all these Hillary2012 supporters say when, at the convention, Hillary announces that Obama asked her first if she would like to be VP and she said no because she prefered her position of power in the Senate?

I honestly wouldn't care if it was Hillary or Obama as long as the Democrats win in November. I don't think the party could come out in 8 years very strong if we lose now.

Posted by: Tom | August 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Long live Rush. :-)

Posted by: Steve | August 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Cognitive dissonance, definition:

"...a half muslim..."

"A black socialist or a corrupt baggage filled woman"

and then

"If they want OBAMA elected they need to stop being African Americans and start being Americans because frankly they are the ones introducing the race card into this election."


Consider this a personal apology on the part of a 'white' person to people who are not 'white' for this gross, vile, and unacceptable behavior. Please try to keep in mind that many 'white' people are not bigoted, hate-filled, supremacists.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

P.U.M.A power baby!

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | August 25, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

What democrat would vote for four more years of republican administration or not support putting an end to republican control of the government after the past eight years?

Only an idiot.

But we should support McCain for these two reasons:

1) He will privatize schools so working parents can pay for the education of their children and send them to the schools they can afford. Public free education, and therefore, the free ride are over.

2) corporations are rapidly getting out of the business of providing health insurance for employees and making working families pay their own health insurance costs. Obviously, this will give the people more choice as to who the provider should be and what type of insurance coverage they would like to have.

With these cost added to the monthly bills of the average working family (approximately $4500 per month for a growing family of 5 persons) plus the rising food, fuel and housing costs, most American families benefit from what the republicans have been promising all along -- less government control over business and more free-of-controls privatization.


We can turn the public school system of free education into the next Freddie Mac and Fannie May.

Why not? Vote McCain he will end abortions, but not the war or military build up with all the money the government will save.

You will be safer.

Posted by: Chris | August 25, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

To the Obamabots. If you think I'm going to vote for a man that thinks there's 57 states in the United States, then you're nuts. I'm a democrat that will be voting McCain because I have no choice. It's either McCain or 4 years of the egotistical Obama.
________________
Wow, here is a real breakthrough. Dude, your right wing is showing. A true believer would not stoop to such Faux News/Rush talking points. Of course this will not stop the fake democrats from attempting to subvert the blogs by appearing to be on the left, I guess hoping to turn some votes to McSame. What gives you away? First, if you use any derogatory terms against Sen. Obama, try something that is not from Steve Schmidt's playlist. Then you turn to the old "Obama's not smart enough" routine. Do you honestly think anyone will buy this hooey? What is your background that circumvents your ability to do some research? Then you turn at last to the "egotistical" argument? Stunning! So you will vote for McSame, will you. I have a feeling you started out in his camp to begin with, so next time try to put some thought into your divisiveness. It might go farther than your lame post shown above.

Posted by: Jimimosey | August 25, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama scams Clinton out of the nomination (not vetted until after the first 9 primaries), dumps her as VP, and then turns the responsibility of uniting the party over to her at denver. What a low-life.

Posted by: Billw | August 25, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

IT TOOK OBAMA 20 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WAHT HIS MENTOR REV WRIGHT REALLY WAS. HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR HIM TO FIGURE OUT AMERICAS PROBLEMS. I AM A LIFE LONG DEMOCRAT AND I WILL BE CASTING MY FIRST VOTE TO REPUBLICIANS

Posted by: RAGHU | August 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse


There is the important fact..


Us Hillary voters can no longer be convinced by Hillary to vote for Obama

Maybe because we dont like Obamas kind of change

Another note ..Obamas ads stink..they are the absolute worst I have ever seen.

Posted by: sidney smith | August 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

There is NO WAY IN h@ll I am voting for an egotistical elitist like BO! He talks about bringing change to DC and has called Hillary a Washington insider when in fact Joe Biden (who I have MUCH respect for) has been a Senator for over 30 years! . BO is ONCE AGAIN talking out of both sides of his smug mug! No worries though, he has CNN and MSNBC to keep him propped up! Oh yeah, I am a Dem ON PAPER but am voting for McCain and going to encourage EVERYONE I know to do the same!

Posted by: Michael - Washington, DC | August 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters are too timid to create a stir at the convention. They are cowardly vindictive old white women, elitists who believe bringing down Obama will bit#*-slap the Democrat Party for stealing the election from Hillary.
Unfortunately for them, no one cares what they think.
Obama 2008

Posted by: Oliver | August 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

corrected typo of original poster.
Added comment

The media's unhealthy infatuation with Hillary CLinton is destroying the historic tone and serious issues we should be disccusssing in this election. Shame on you WAPO, every article is sensationalist and every serious discussion is pushed to the back page so we can talk about divisive superficials nonsense so you can get ratings and more advertising dollars.

Hopefully, the public is smarter

Posted by: Jason | August 25, 2008 10:26 AM

FANS of the FIRST LADY are driving this 'moment'.
Bereaved, betrayed, they strike out at anyone and everyone.
The media, sexism, crop circles. Anyone but themselves.
HRC had the REV WRIGHT story going for months and she lost anyway. I believe that says that her and Bill's shared negatives, currently running at 49% trump the FIRST LADY FANS.
HRC's negatives made her unacceptable as a candidate.
HRC's comments about BITTER made her unacceptable as the VP candidate for Obama. When 40% of the registered voters dont bother to vote in 2004, that's BITTER. And 10's of millions of others didnt even register. Bush won with 12.5% of the population voting for him. Half the population stayed home. That's our bitter citizens in depressed in-action.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Liberals = socialists. Get a clue, folks. You claim to be 'democratic' and then vote socialist. In fact, the democratic party is nothing more than the American socialist party, and the selfishness and 'not beyond my nose' view of the world you all share will destroy this country. When people talk about Bush's 'failed' policies, all that means is that you didn't get what YOU wanted, which is really the socialist mentality in a nutshell. For once, try thinking about what's good for the country and not what's best for you as an individual. See similar comments from a famous Democrat (the last one I respected) named John F. Kennedy.

I would rather dig Regan up and park his corpse in the Oval Office and pretend he is still alive than see a socialist in the White House. As Lewis Black says, at least the terrorists would then be afraid of any society fanatical enough to elect a dead president, which actually would exceed their own fanatical level! Perhaps we did find our defense against terrorism after all.

Electing one of the current crop of socialists to the Presidency would invite all American hating countries to take advantage of our traditional good nature and would encourage more attacks on the US knowing that our government is too busy handing out tax money to its citizens (or at least promising to do it) to care about our security. At least McCain isn't a socialist.

Posted by: bluzplayer | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill have Rush Limabaugh and Karl Rove to thank foremost for her campaign failure and the phony voters who voted for her @Rush's beckoning but didn't and haven't helped payoff her campaign debt. If she's so very determined to win now she and her angry, insane cranky, cross
leftover miserly supporters can 1st pay off her old campaign debt and then begin a national write-in quest for her for November and when she wins debt free that way she can prove she was the better leader for resovling America's economic problems. I cannot afford nor survive another 4 more years of desolate Republican Rule that doesn't create jobs that adequately pay multiple degreed college grads with experience like myself!!!

Posted by: Nate Meta | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden good ticket now everyone should be happy.We have new school with old school perfect match.They both can learn from each other. In order to have change you have to mix it up. Bottom line it can't get any worst than it is. What we should really be concern with is our local govenment who are they,what do they stand for we don't know anything about them until it's too late.The fliers don't work!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Uh, no, she didn't lose Junebee, she conceded. See I told you - they're ignorant.

If you'd like to see what a contested convension looks like, check out what Ted Kennedy did in '80:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Democratic_National_Convention

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Yes, there is a significant degree of anger at how HRC was treated by the party leadership and the press.

Yes, she garnered the support of half of the vote (including mine).

But, it makes absolutely no sense for the HRC supporters to throw their support to McCain. McCain has positions that are diametrically opposed to the HRC positions.

For the sake of our country, the HRC supporters need to seriously rethink their anger and resolve that McCain will just be more of Bush. Obama is the nominee of the Democratic Party and that is where our votes should go.

Posted by: Liam in NJ | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

It's working. Keep fight dems. Get the hammer and sickle and finish it off.

Hellary will convert to the right.

The republicans will win it cleanly. We welcome hellary converts.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Why don't the Clinton's just go away. I didn't like them then and I hate the now. They are trouble makers who do not care about the party or the good of the people, just about themselves. I hope after this is over everyone will see how self serving the Clintons really are and Clinton will not be re-elected to the Senate in NY. Have we ever had a nominee cause so much trouble within in the party and devided people so much as Hillary. Not in my day! By the way I am a 50 something white woman who normally votes Republucian. This year I am voting for Obama. Under Bush. my nephew was called for the backdoor draft and I lost my job to outsourcing overseas.

Posted by: pea | August 25, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't like Bill or Hillary Clinton, but had she won the nomination I would have voted for her and supported her financially. My little feelings don't count at all compared to what McCain can do to the country and world in 4 years, and neither do yours. Grow up.

Posted by: aleks | August 25, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

This is not a issue of black or white, the last I checked Obama's mother was white. I don't understand how he calls himself the black candidate! Is he too embarassed to be called bi-racial???????

Posted by: Sa1950 | August 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I love how people say McCain's experience is a point in his favor, when it consists of:

-failed campaign finance reform (and then having his OWN campaign for president run by lobbyists)
-scandal and corruption in the 1980s
-support for the worst mistakes of the Bush administration
-flip-flopping on a vast number of issues to win support from right-wing conservatives
-general war-mongering and hypocrisy

Not to mention that he promises to put anti-abortion judges on the Supreme Court. How can anyone that preferred Clinton even consider voting for him?

Posted by: Jon | August 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse


President has no power anyway

congress is where it is at...if they can get together and work..thats where congress always fails..they refuse to work together.

Obama cant do didly if congress fights him every inch of the way

We have had congress and president of the same party many times...do we want to make the same mistake again..ticket splitters have the right idea..make them work together to do the right thing.

Posted by: sidney smith | August 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

It is an illusion to think that Obama's loss would somehow translate into automatic success for Clinton next time round (in 2012).Has anyone considered the possibilty of a third party benefitting from all this? After all Obama was an unknown entity until recently and most people had assumed Clinton had the nomination and even Presidency in her bag. The best hope for Democratics NOW is to unite and support Obama. The Clintons will eventually get over their diappointment.It is not in their interest longterm to encourage disgruntled supporters even tacitly to make trouble for Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

What amazes me is that so many people feel that Hillary is qualified to be the President. She has been a senator for a few years. She was the First Lady. Big freakin' deal. Yes, she is an extremely intelligent woman, but so what. That doesn't mean she should be President. I just think this comes down to what it always comes down to in America. Obama is a half-black male and so many in America are racist, and can't see themselves voting for him. They would rather vote for anyone else in the world than anyone black, even if they are only half-black.

I will be so glad when this whole thing is over. It just seems to be bringing out the worst in people.

Posted by: Libby | August 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

who knows what I'll do in november; I was hoping for a great vp pick to help me decide.

Posted by: both are disappointing... | August 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I switched from Clinton to Obama shortly after the New York primary. However, despite my serious misgivings about her campaign, I would have supported her candidacy 110% in a heartbeat.

Having posted and read on these message boards, and also hearing comments expressed by certain family members and friends, I have become convinced of 2 things.

One, there is a component of racism here. It is not always subtle, but often it is. The big gripes I hear and read are that he apparently is too 'uppity,' might really be a secret muslim and has a long relationship with Rev. Wright.

If it wasn't racism, we would hear more about the issues that would inspire somebody to vote for McCain over Obama, but it is always these vaguely-described 'feelings.'

My second point is that one has to be an utter narcissist to switch to McCain, if one once was a Clinton supporter. It's one's bruised ego over what's best for the country. Unless, of course, that person has no problem watching the Supreme Court overturn Roe V. Wade and permanently destroy the checks and balances of our democracy.

Yeah, McCain, who once joked about Chelsea being the love child of Hillary and Janet Reno. That's your man?

Not once did Obama suggest that Clinton's being a woman made her incapable of serving as president.

I wish some of you would stop acting as if the Clinton candidacy was somehow pre-ordained.

Posted by: scootmandubious | August 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I usually stay away from these blogs, but I wanted to give my input. I am part of the young vote out there. I am 26 years old and am an environmental scientist. I admit I was an Obama supporter for quite some time, BUT I gave every Dem. candidate a shot. In fact, I remember watching each Dem. debate and walked away saying to myself, "This guy, Joe Biden, is good! He could definately lead this country"... Of course he did not win, BUT I know there are many who felt this way too.
Look, as an Obama supporter, if he had lost the nomination, I would NOT vote for McCain! That would be completely against the entire ideals of the Democratic party because he CLEARLY will not lead the US towards a better state. Do I think McCain will ruin the country? NO. I do not think he will make it any better though! We will continue on this road of policies that get us nowhere.
I am NOT happy with the state of our country. I am a well educated person (Masters degree) with a good solid job. Yet, I still find it hard to get by day to day. The value of our dollar is pathetic. We are in a war where our tax dollars are not being used appropriately. I have friends in Iraq now who fight and guess what they all say? The war is pointless! They are serving their 4th tour of duties with no progress.
We, as a country, need to fix OURSELVES before we can fix other nations. McCain simply will not do that, sadly. Obama is a smart man and he will surround himself with the right people!! Clinton would have been a good choice too... So would Biden... so would a few of the other candidates... but it comes down to this... THEY ARE ALL DEMOCRATS and in the end, they all have the same underlying values and ideals towards this country.

Republican presidency means more war, more economic woes, more environmental degradation...
Democrats at least can give us hope that we can turn this all around.

Posted by: Eric | August 25, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Well isn't it interesting that NOW, FL and MI's delegations full voting rights have been restored, now that Hillary has said she'll release her delegates to Obama on Wed. Clinton supporters are angry because the party of "count the votes" played fast and loose with votes. By any standard, she would have won if not for this nonsense.

And because the media, and the Obama campaign, demonized her and lied to a degree I've never seen before, outside of animals in the wild eating their own, not to mention their trying to undermine democracy by trying to bully and intimidate her into quitting.

She was a good candidate with VERY specific proposals and great experience, who didn't just get beaten by some American Idol candidate in a popularity contest - that would at least have been fair. But when people start messing with votes and there's such a striking lack of journalistic integrity and objectivity, it's just too much. MSNBC was nothing but one long Oba-infomercial during the primary, and CNN wasn't much better. Much of the print media is guilty of the same. See this Reliable Source segment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSLiEp5mqzg

I didn't vote for Clinton, but I also didn't drink the Oba-Koolaid, so I understand where these angry voters are coming from. It was utterly disgusting, and it's the reason that with the most unpopular Republican president in history, the Dems are dead even in the polls. It's not just a few disgruntled Hillary supporters, not by a long shot.

Even now they can't stop trashing her, and she's done everything but give them an organ. She and the other 2 women whose names have placed on the nomination at conventions, U.S. Sen. Margaret Chase Smith in 1964 U.S. Sen. Shirley Chisholm in 1972, EARNED it. Obama supporters are not only deluded, they're a little ignorant IMO.

Posted by: Teri B. | August 25, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

You know, this race, continually is going from bad to worse. HOW CRAZY are the Hillary fanactics! The facts are this,
1. She lost to Obama
2. The problem is that supporters, as well as radical and racists can't get over the fact that she lost to a bi-racial man of CAUCASIAN & AFRICAN descent!
3. He didn't pick her for his VP, he didn't consult with her, duh, duh, where is written that he was suppossed to!!!!Please help me and show me where other nominees Dem or Rep, solicited advice from other candidates that lost, for their advice on the VP pick!!!!
4. Those Hillary supporters that are suppossed to be loyal Democrats, wake up and smell the coffee burnIng, if you are truly " A SO CALLED LOYAL DEMOCRAT!" then smell the coffee burning and be part of the process and support the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE AND NOT BE FOOLISH AND SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE. THAT WOULD BE SMART THING TO DO! THIS ISN'T ABOUT HILLARY, BUT THE POLITICAL PROCESS AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
5. The other smart thing to do is to work your Congressman and Senator once the election is over to ensure the areas that Hillary supported, becomes part of the new Administration's plan and that those areas of your concern become part of the process.
6. It serves no positive purpose to continue on the Hillary bandwagon, it is desteuctive and decisive.
7. PEOPLE ARE PAWNS IN A GAME OF DIVIDE AND CONQUER, AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE YOUR NUMBER. THEY/ JOHN MCCAIN, THE RUSH LIMBAUGH'S ETC ARE LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO BANK. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. IT JUST LIKE A KID I ANGRY, TEED OFF SO I WON'T PLAY OR I WILL GO TO THE OTHER SIDE! PLEASE!
8. WAKE UP AND LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. ONLY SMALL MINDS CONTINUE THIS FOOLISH RHETORIC AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE LOVING EVERY MINUTE THAT THE JOHN MCCAIN ADS CAN CONTINUE TO WORK YOUR NERVES WAKE UP PEOPLE! BECAUSE YOU ARE MAKING THAT OPENING TO THE WHITE HOUSE, MORE OF A REALITY DAY BY DAY. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, YOU LOYAL DIEHEART DEMOCRATICS!!!!

Posted by: junebee | August 25, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

All the Hillary supporters that are posturing, whining, and threatening to vote for McCain should take note. If your efforts do succeed in putting McCain in the White House and Obama back in the Senate, there are a great many supporters of the Democratic platform that will see this as Hillary's fault. I, for one, will do whatever I can to ensure that she NEVER receives the Democratic nomination. I will give money to whatever Democratic candidate is leading her in the primaries and work tirelessly with their campaign to ensure that the selfishness that has gone on since Obama locked in the nomination is not rewarded.

The primaries are over, there is a winner. If you choose to put in office a candidate that doesn't support women's rights, will continue to let more and more of our soldier's die overseas in needless wars, and continue to widen the income gap in this country, then you are not even being true to what Hillary stood for in her campaign. It is then about ego and power, nothing more. This "if I don't win, I'm taking my ball and going home" style of politics is childish and counter-productive. Grow up!

Posted by: T.K.Horeis | August 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

This country will be mine for two administrations. Wait until the roll call. We'll take Denver. Then we'll take America back for Me. I am coming to save you America!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton | August 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Would Biden really make a better president than Hillary if something happened to Obama? Is Biden really any better than Mccain? Mccain has at least challenged his own party and been somewhat of a maverick. If Mccain picks an independent minded vp, Obama is in trouble. Obama has shown that his whole campaign is just an act, and that that he will do anything to win and gain political power.

Posted by: john | August 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I know that many (if not most) of the so-called Hillary supporters posting are actually Republicans trying to stir trouble but there definitely are true supporters who will vote McCain thinking that it gives Hillary a shot in 2012.

The problem with that is that they are failing to realize how difficult of a time Hillary will have winning the Democratic nomination in 2012. I could see Democrats treating her the way they treated Ralph Nader - someone who cost an election. Sure the Hillary faithful will vote for her, but will the majority of Democrats forget about how her "followers" screwed things up and left us with 4 more years of Bush policies?

Unless she plans on running as an independent, Hillary will not be the choice in 2012.

Posted by: Gary | August 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"OSAMA BIDEN LADEN TICKET?" WOW!

Osama should have realized he would need Clinton supporters to win the election. To ignor the wishes of 17 million voters is certainly NOT showing good judgement.

As a Clinton supporter, I'm voting McCain, I want the TV news media to know they WILL NOT SELECT MY CANDIDATE based on biased coverage. I will not vote for the candidate you try to shove down my throat.

Perhaps next time out the television news media will be equitable in its coverage.

Posted by: barbie13607 | August 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse


A Lost Democratic Voter: "He had a chance to bring our party together and instead thumbed his nose up at the idea of party unity and dumped the responsibility for unity all on HRC."

Exactly. Also he wouldn't debate Clinton. The man has no stand-up values at all.

Posted by: Billw | August 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I URGE EVERYONE TO VOTE FOR SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN...A VOTE FOR MCCAIN IN 2008 IS A VOTE FOR HILARY IN 2012.

You voted for Senator Obama and now you're urging folks to vote for Senator McCain, whose policies are 180 degrees away from Obama's? Why don't you just hang a sign around your neck declaring yourself to be a political ignoramus?


Posted by: lhummer | August 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

While Obama is a good candidate in comparison to McCain, his stance on FISA do not match his actions re: FISA. If anything, he has shown that he doesn't particularly care for our civil

For all her faults, I'd rather have Hillary than Obama, who portrays an image of change when he's in fact just as bad. At least with Hillary, I know where she stands.

Obama's actions in the recent past has drastically changed my perception of the man. Now, I'm hoping that Hillary would win the nomination.

If Obama does win, I don't care for supporting either him or McCain. A lot of folks are in the same boat, and would rather vote for neither, than vote for any one.

Posted by: Mr. M | August 25, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

You know Michael, why is it when Blacks vote for a black candidate we are alienating people like you however when you all vote overwhelmingly for a white candidate then it's just normal and we have to get with it? You need to check your double standards at the door

Posted by: Fed Up | August 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to send a plea for those Hillary fans who refuse to support Obama to look beyond their own personal disappointments to the bigger issues of this campaign - healthcare, education for our kids, the war...the list goes on. Look into your hearts- do you really think your protest vote for the Republicans is going to help your family? Is it worth your kids' future? Please reconsider.

Posted by: chenke@prworks.biz | August 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

MIKE HUCKABEE 2008! Woot!

Posted by: Chaz | August 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

One question.
Has Doug Feaver and some of the fans posting here ever heard of the word "troll"?

Posted by: Johnny Quest | August 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Vote Country First, Party Second" Just because we will not vote for Obama has nothing to do about race, and I'm sure those for Obama if he doesn't win would love the excuse to riot and raid white folks property. If Obama loses it is because we don't trust him!! We don't trust who he has slept with in the past, ie.Bill Ayers,and Rev. Wright! We don't trust him about abortion! We Hillary supporters have not become Rep. we have become Independents!! Get a life and send a $1 to Obama's brother in Kenya! Hillary will be back in 2012!

Posted by: Sa1950 | August 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Never really understood voting for a person because they were a Democrat or Republican.

I have voted in every election for 38 years and have always put.
1. Nation First
2. Voted for who I saw as the best person for the country and not the Party.

Being a Deomcrat or Republican candidate does not always equal who is best.

Posted by: PapaBC | August 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Kill three birds with one bald eagle egg.....
those that are for abortion, animal rights freaks (PETA/Vegans nut jobs), and masculine feminists.

Vote right. We will convert Hellary before it is over.

Breakout the hammer and sickle.

Posted by: Steve D. | August 25, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Don't feed the trolls, Doug. You're getting scammed. Either that or you're a Hillary (McCain) supporter in Sheep's clothing.

Posted by: TROLLZ | August 25, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I remember watching a nature film shown on the public TV.

Two grown-up birds competed energetically against each other to win the right to mate with a female. While they were fighting, a sneaky young bird attacked the female and mated with her.

The announcer of the document commented that the chicks born out of this mating will definitely have a sneaky character.

The undertakings by the Obama campaign in the primaries were sneaky and evil taking advantage of the loopholes in the undemocratic system of the Democratic Party.

All the future efforts will surely be sneaky and evil.

Posted by: nonpartisan | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

AMEN!

Posted by: Miles Holmes | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse


THE BIG DAY

Today is the day the democratic party begins handing over the reins (headed by the Clintons) to a half muslim who brings to mind a circus hawker. He also has an extremely questionable background. Too bad.


Posted by: Billw | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

So, I am being told I am not a "real" Democrat because I will vote for McCain.

How about I'm a Democrat with a real brain and I refuse to be a Robot and simply vote party line.

Posted by: Maria | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I have supported Clinton first. Then after she lost supported Obama. I do not like Joe Biden and would rather want to see Clinton as VP.

I will not support Obama anymore. He can not bring change with Biden.

I have survived 8 years of G.Bush and will survive 4-8 years of McCain. I have a feeling Obama will lose.

Posted by: vlad | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

This is like watching monkeys dancing on a hot plate.
Will the 2 sides, Obama/Clinton just quit bickering.
Your energy is being wasted (and that is a high crime, no?) because NEITHER of these 2 candidates would win the 08 general election.
Geez Louise, get some perspective.
While you're arguing about the primaries you're losing sight that you're nominating a dog either way.
A black socialist or a corrupt baggage filled woman... hmmmmmmm.
What a party of myopic self- centered dunces.

Posted by: It'sSortaSad | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

This article has no substance in fact. Roughly half the primary voters went for each candidate. Would Obama supporters be obsessively angry if Clinton were the nominee? Disappointed, yes, angry enough to vote across the aisle for a candidate and platform that's 180 degrees opposed to everything Clinton stands for? Hardly.

Posted by: Jill | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

How can we check the reliability of these comments? HOw do we know its not just McCain supporters posting them up? How can we know that the people who participate in the polls are real Hillary Clinton supporters? I think come Nov 5th, Democrats are gonna be sho happy to have Obama enter the White House, the relief they are gonna feel after so many years of Bush's failed poliicies, will make them all rejoyce and say, wow, this was realy "Much ado about nothing".

Posted by: Amy | August 25, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." - John McCain, 1998

For those of you who are Hillary supporters, and have decided to vote Republican out of spite, did you forget about the disrespect Republicans have ALWAYS had against the Clintons?

Posted by: Amanda | August 25, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

OH MY! This is so funny! (to the original author, forgive my suggested changes!)
For the bereaved fans of First Lady:
FIRST LADY FAN: I'm looking at Barack Obama's website and I see that he has nearly identical positions to Hillary on all the important issues facing my family, even the civil rights ones that HRC cannot take a stand on due to her constituency being NYC. I DONT CARE! I'm a rabid Hillary supporter so rather than supporting someone who can inspire more people to become involved citizens, I'm going to vote for a guy is diametrically opposed to every important issue facing my family: I didn't need affordable health insurance, neither do my children. Gas prices will do down even though they are based on sales to the highest bidder and 1 billion Chinese are bidding now for the oil coming out of US leased land. We can afford more wars in the middle east but we can't afford funding medicare prescription drugs ($2500 donut hole in the middle) for my parents. China will always be there to let us borrow the money and if we can't get enough volunteers then we could do a draft? My kids could use some discipline.

Posted by: HillaryForPresident | August 25, 2008 11:17 AM

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 25, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I see a lot of African American commentary in here ...... and I would politely suggest that they represent 16% of the American people. If they want OBAMA elected they need to stop being African Americans and start being Americans because frankly they are the ones introducing the race card into this election.

And they are alienating US the sour, gun-toting, truck-driving, working Americans that OBAMA NEEDS to win this election.

They need to get real if you are a black person this is the BEST COUNTRY in the world to live in .... LOOK AT ALL THE REST.

Posted by: Michael | August 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I will not support this IDIOT Obama now, no way no how. He had a chance to bring our party together and instead thumbed his nose up at the idea of party unity and dumped the responsibility for unity all on HRC. He's a coward and he's not for change, he picked a Washington insider who's been sitting on his can in the Senate for 36 friggin years. Please...

The issues will get resolved or not get resolved regardless of whether a Dem or Rep is in the White House, but I know we need a strong leader regardless of the party. IDIOT Obama is spineless and will not get my vote, or my wife's vote.

Posted by: A Lost Democratic Voter | August 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

It is beginning to look like Obama may loose the general election thanks to his own party and the Clintons. Never mind he played by the rules and outsmarted the old guards who believe they own the Democratic Party. Of course, McCain and the G.O.P., and the media are having a great time playing off this. It amounts to character assassination.

The sad thing is that the real issues affecting our country are not being considered; therefore, we will have four more years of record deficits and unemployment and continue to push our country off the cliff while the whole world is watching. Nothing is truer than “people get the government they deserve.”

Posted by: Eddie Zalez | August 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

had the good fortune to watch my grandfather grow old and at 70 years of age, my family wasn't even sure we wanted him to run the remote control, let alone the free world. The ONLY thing John McCain is better suited to do than Barack Obama is collect social security.
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I agree with everything you said up to the point where you put the knock on grandpa because he was in his 70’s. Them’s fightin’ words where I come from, sonny (or daughter whichever the case may be). I would not vote for John McCain, but that’s not because of his age; it’s because of his policies.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

As China, India, and the European Union shore up their industries and economies, the Americans fight between themselves, bickering over past events.

It is fortunate the Americans are so much more advanced that they can spare 10 or 20 years not fixing their house while the rest of the world merely struggles to catch up.

It is also fortunate the Americans can still afford to butcher their leaders at the expense of news ratings and political jealousies.

It is particularly fortunate that America's economic influence and reputation are so untarnished that they can continue to lie down to fear and manipulation.

Finally, it is most fortunate that the Americans don't need to have functional infrastructure, health care, or immigration or equity policies to compete in a global marketplace and can instead focus on more pressing issues like which candidate has more homes or if a political leader is a....Muslim!

So Congratulations America, the world rejoices as you hand over your mantle of power to populaces that actually want to prosper!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

If these bitter, ignorant, racist, morons lose the election for the democrats they will not be able to vote for bittery clinton in 2012 because there will not be a country left after mcbush starts world war 3. If these people are too stupid to realize that the fate of the world hangs on this election then they should not be allowed to vote! Then again, if bittery had been elected I would have had a very tough time voting for mcbush, but I would have just to teach all these idiots a lesson.

Posted by: OBAMANIAC | August 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

wake up Americans: An African American (I never understood the difference - race) AND a Female - too much for America = no chance and everyone in the universe needs a person with brain (= not a republican) in charge
although I am pessimistic - usually a country gets the leader she deserves ( 8 years of Bush says everything

Posted by: td | August 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I didn't realize PMS lasted this long. What a bunch of Shrillary-ites!

Posted by: Miles Holmes | August 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I VOTED FOR SENATOR OBAMA, THE NOMINEE OF CHANGE BUT BASED ON HIS PANDERING TO EVERY GROUP IMAGINABLE, HIS NOTION THAT HE HAS BEEN ANNOINTED BY GOD, HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH REV. WRIGHT, RESKO AND A KNOWN ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES PLUS HIS WIFE FIST BUMP AND THE FACT THAT HE HAS PROVEN TO BE NOTHING MORE THEN AN "EMPTY SUIT" I HAVE DECIDED TO VOTE FOR SENATOR MCCAIN. SENATOR OBAMAS MANTRA OF CHANGE HAS, WITH HIS SELECTION OF SENATOR BIDEN, A 30+ YEAR MEMBER OF CONGRESS, BEEN FINALLY FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET...WHAT A PHONY.

I URGE EVERYONE TO VOTE FOR SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN...A VOTE FOR MCCAIN IN 2008 IS A VOTE FOR HILARY IN 2012.

Posted by: BOO-HOO | August 25, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Oh Duhhhh……. what a surprise! That group has had their panties in a bunch since the 70's. Guess they will have to wait another 4 years.

What surprises me is why Obama chose Biden of all people. Biden is Hillary Clinton on steroids. So much for change and the new Democratic philosophy. Lets just hope Obama does not turn into the African American version of Jimmy Carter.

Dana Pintago

Posted by: Dana Pintago | August 25, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

A hand full of Clinton supporter will not hurt Obama in the election. There or more who has aready switched their support to him.

Posted by: bear781 | August 25, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Actually, the Clinton women will stand down and behave for Barack Hussein Obama, just like they always do when a tall, well-dressed man chides them and then orders their silence.
Why? Because they are afraid, and they think, hey...we're just a bunch of weakly females, not equal to the task at hand. These men are in charge and they will handle things. If they say Obama and Michelle are the chosen ones, who are we to argue?
And the beat goes on....
Hooray for Obama, the Party Messiah, here to save us from ourselves!

Posted by: Danielle | August 25, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

As a moderate and registered independent I have watched both parties move further and further away from positions I hold. In this election, I find as with many of the past I truly want to vote "NO". Given the choices - it will probably go down to the wire for me. Obama has less experience on the foreign relations side; McCain seems to be clueless on the economic side. The Obama/Biden ticket seems to solidify the package for the Democrats; however, the McCain/Romney ticket does the same for the Republicans.
So the next question - do I want a president that will follow many of the polices of the past or one that will chart a new course.
Finally, as my friends like to call me the "spoiler" do I want a Republican president and a Democratic legislature to keep things in check?

Posted by: Moderate | August 25, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If McCain wins it equals possibly three supreme court nominees that will go before congress and say "I believe in settled law" (a.k.a lying through their teeth) and they will be appointed by spineless dems. These are the kinds of things women face if McCain gets to pick justices for four years:

- Roe v. Wade: the Supreme Court will allow states to make abortion illegal, but more importantly it will say that a doctor and a patient's relationship is not confidential and can be reviewed by the government without warrant. Admit to your doctor that you took more than the prescribed dose of your meds and go to jail. Ouch.

- Contraception: States may ban some or all forms of contraception.

- Equality in the Workplace: Gender will be grounds for hiring and firing as well as family planning. Get pregnant, get fired, no problem.

- Chastity laws: States can make illegal sex as well sexual activity before marriage for adult women.

I'm sure it can get a lot more draconian than even that, I just lack the imagination to come up with the insane decisions we could see. This isn't a joke people, and Hillary in 2012 will be completely powerless against a right wing Supreme Court that will re-define legislating from the bench. Assuming that she can even get elected if the Supreme Court knocks down enough voter protection laws. Hell, if only land-owning men can vote, will Hillary have a chance?

Posted by: TJ Weldy | August 25, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Would love to see Hillary cross over and vp on the McCain ticket. This would be the greatest pre and vp ever.

Posted by: cal | August 25, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

WE NEED TO JUST COME TOGETHER, EVERY COUNTRY FOR THEMSELVES. HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING FOR OUR WHEAT ?

Posted by: SANDY | August 25, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

It seems that Hillary supporters are the ones caught up in the cult of personality that Obama is accused of.

To be a Democrat and vote for McSame is the height of foolishness and bitterness. You don't really support Hillary on the issues if you do.

Hello Scalia-clone Supreme Court justices (for life, mind you). Goodbye Roe V Wade!!!

Posted by: Sean | August 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

So the Clinton folks are going to vote for McCain because they lost! Then, so many say, they are going to vote for Hillary in 2012. Quite an assumption---that there will be a 2012 with McCain at the controls.

Posted by: seyelda | August 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

If you're a Hillbot voting for McCain you are not a disgruntled democrat---YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN!!

McCain will raise taxes on the middle class by taxing employer provided healthcare.

Posted by: Bjorn | August 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

To tell you this, I do not like Obama at all. Do not trust him.

Between Obama and Hillery - I trust Hillary more.

Between Obama and McCain - Like I said, I do not trust Obama at all so will not vote for Him.

Posted by: PapaBC | August 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"...he should have chosen Hillary as VP.."

If he had, Rove would have ripped her to shreds on her long history of various scandals.

If were to be elected, I am almost certain she would have Obama killed.

Better off with JOE!!

Posted by: Bud | August 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Looks like hillaryclinton.com is getting about the same amount of hits as campaignforliberty.com" - yeah, both great!

Posted by: CFL | August 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

ANYONE WHO BELIEVES A TRUE DEMOCRAT WOULD VOTE FOR MCCAIN AND HIS BELIEFS JUST BECAUSE THINGS DIDN'T GO THEIR WAY IN THE PRIMARY MUST BE A REAL TWIT!

Posted by: JJ | August 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

These Hillary supporters, particularly the women, are setting the woman's movement back generations. Gone is the idea that women are able to make rational decisions and should be in the top echelons of government. Instead, they are looking like whiny, resentful emotional voters that will give up their political ideals because their favorite lost. Shame on all of them. And thanks for destroying the work of the sisters that came before you. If you think this is helping Hillary's possible future political career? You are dead wrong.

Posted by: Alex | August 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I supported Hillary, but now i'm supporting Barack, because that's what a real democrat does. We cannot stand idle and watch McCain take the helm in 09. There is too much at stake in this election to let anger out-way our better judgment. I'm hoping Hill and Bill will take their speaking opportunities to unite the party. The ball is in their court not Obama.

Posted by: Sarah H. | August 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I really dont think any of these so called supporters are real democrats.

It's usually republicans that are so airheaded. And I dont care who starts crying about "race card" this and "reverse racism" that most of this has to do with his race and the exit polls prove it.

THis isnt about HIllary supporters this is a referendum on young people and minorities turning out in astronomical numbers never before seen by any country in the world. We will need that turn out to off set the "hide my racism behind my feminista" vote.

Do her so-called supporters know how badly they are hurting her if Obama doesn't win? I will blame her...I dont know many who wont.

She must be winding down her career because if Obama loses we'll know it was for two reasons: HIllary wrote the blueprint on how to attack him and he is black (check the exit polls for proof).

Clinton better [pray he wins if she knows what's good for her.

Posted by: JN | August 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I really dont think any of these so called supporters are real democrats.

It's usually republicans that are so airheaded. And I dont care who starts crying about "race card" this and "reverse racism" that most of this has to do with his race and the exit polls prove it.

THis isnt about HIllary supporters this is a referendum on young people and minorities turning out in astronomical numbers never before seen by any country in the world. We will need that turn out to off set the "hide my racism behind my feminista" vote.

Do her so-called supporters know how badly they are hurting her if Obama doesn't win? I will blame her...I dont know many who wont.

She must be winding down her career because if Obama loses we'll know it was for two reasons: HIllary wrote the blueprint on how to attack him and he is black (check the exit polls for proof).

Clinton better [pray he wins if she knows what's good for her.

Posted by: JN | August 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

No - John Edwards spoiled her chances, not Bill.

Posted by: to DEB-Z | August 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Looks like hillaryclinton.com is getting about the same amount of hits as campaignforliberty.com

Posted by: Matt | August 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

If you honestly believe these Internet messages are from real Democratic party supporters, then you sir are a fool.

No Democrat in their right mind would ever vote for McSame.

Doug Feaver should resign because he has not idea how to do his job a vet the sources of these messages.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

It makes me wonder how many of these "I won't vote for Obama and I'll vote for McCain cause Hillary's not on the ballot" trolls are actually McCain supporters in disguise trying to fan the flames.

I come from a family full of Hillary supporters. One of my uncles worked for the Clinton Administration. And I can say, beyond a doubt, that I will be supporting Obama in the fall. While I definitely understand the bitterness of other Hillary supporters, this election is far too important to squander. Obama isn't the perfect candidate, but the gaps between him and Hillary on the issues are neglible; the chasm between both of them and McCain is enormous. I hope that other Hillary supporters will come to my point of view soon when they see her speaking at the convention.

Hillary maybe still wants a chance at the White House, but I believe that she truly does want to ensure that Democrats can start making Congress work again. We need to start working to fix climate change, Medicare, Social security, infrastructure, and foreign policy, and we can't do anything about that with McCain's veto looming over us.

Posted by: Will | August 25, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Would love to see Hillary cross over and vp on the McCain ticket. This would be the greatest pre and vp ever.

Posted by: cal | August 25, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

To Meko and all others - that's a strong claim to say Hillary supporters are racist. Don't play the race card - you're part of the perpetual problem. Why can't you understand people don't want a candidate in office. The same thinking of Reagan or Bush - both Rep but everyone wanted Reagan. It's about the stronger choice. Race - that's probably WHY you're voting Obama - stick with the issues. You'll have a better life.

Posted by: #@$#$U | August 25, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Get over it. As the party bosses calculate the numbers, if you knock out all those who wouldn't vote for a colored person, and all those who wouldn't vote for a woman, and all those who wouldn't vote for a Democrat, you don't have enough votes left. That is why they can't run a Obama+Clinton ticket. They may be both decent people but the combination just didn't stack up. Try again next time.

Posted by: Bob | August 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

This supposed anger is a media construct and would not exist if the media would STOP TALKING about it and FOCUS ON THE ISSUES.

Posted by: Kevin | August 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Hillary, Schmillary!

The point is not Hillary, but that Obama is flat out inexperienced and unqualified.

Simple as that!

Posted by: Rafer | August 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Mecko,

Americans are Free to be racists!

They are free to be White Power voters and vote for Me!

Why do you hate Freedom?

HRC

Posted by: Hillary Clinton | August 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Let's breakout the hammer and sickle.
Posted by: Steve D. | August 25, 2008 11:14 AM

What Steve is trying to tell you, is that if you are against his point of view, you are a commie.

REGISTER and VOTE. VOTE ABSENTEE. END THE REPRESSION OF OUR CIVIL RIGHTS, BY THE RIGHT WING ELITE.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Let's have an egg throwing party for Obama using bald eagle eggs.

Posted by: Steve D | August 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm incapable of using Barack Obama's website to find out that he has nearly identical positions to Hillary on important issues facing my family. I'm a rabid Hillary supporter so rather than supporting someone who can inspire more people to become democratic voters, I'm going to vote for a guy is diametrically opposed to every important issue facing my family: Go McCain! I didn't need affordable health insurance anyways. Gas prices will do down if we ignore them. We can afford more wars in the middle east but we can't afford funding medicare for my parents. China will always be there to let us borrow the money and if we can't get enough volunteers then we could do a draft? My kids could use some discipline.

Posted by: HillaryForPresident | August 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I WOULD NEVER SUPPORT HILARY IN 2012 IF OBAMA LOSES. She needs to address this issue now. We as a country will not bounce back from another Republican president.

Posted by: ANGRYJIM | August 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Thank god that Bill will not be back in the White House! "No, I did not have sex with that woman." It would be a scary thought of him in the White House with nothing to do.
He has a history of inappropriate sexual behavior and I do not need him as a role model for my children.
Let't not forget who let the jobs leave the country NAFTA); he made millions for speaches while others lost their employment!
I would have supported Hillary if she would have left him prior to running for office.
Bill distroyed Hillary's chances not Senator Obama.
She would have been a sure shoe in if not for the things her husband did during her run and prior to.
Place the blame where it belongs and stop
hiding your heads in the sand!

Posted by: DEB-Z | August 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

PEOPLE ..GET REAL...OBAMA CAUSED THIS...he should have chosen Hillary as VP..he ignored US ALL....and he will lose.

STATESMAN HE IS NOT....MORE LIKE NEOPHYTE IDIOT.

Posted by: Michael | August 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

These anger supporter must no be real democrats or real HRC supporters. Don't they now Obama and Clinton agree on 99.9% of the issues. Her supporters anger should be at the MSM, not Obama: he's only guilty of winning. Hillary lost, her supporters need to accept it, embrace Obama or move along.

Posted by: Ed | August 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Please think about this. If so many of those who planned to vote for Senator Clinton for President say they will now cast their ballot for Senator McCain , then I'm very relieved she didn't win the Democratic nomination.

Posted by: MEL | August 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

For all the PUMA's out there...

'McCain Opposes Equal Pay Law'

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/24/by_juliet_eilperin_washington.html

Posted by: Jessie | August 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Nancy - so, because your candidate didn't win, you're going to vote for someone with COMPLETELY opposite ideals from yourself? Why on earth would you ever do that? It's like deciding you stab yourself in the hand because the gloves you wanted to buy were sold out.

IN HER OWN WORDS, she says she wants you to support Obama. Why would you not do what she specifically requested? Do you really think if she wanted anything else, she wouldn't speak right up?

Please, all you intelligent Hillary supporters, stand up and denounce those who are putting your good name to shame! Be one of the people who says "You know what, I think Hillary would have been better than Obama, but Obama is way better than McCain!"

Posted by: Nate | August 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

At least Obama selected a VP that finds him clean and articulate. That is so important.

Posted by: Janet | August 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

How can we Hillary supporters now vote McCain????

Because Obamas reteric has no substance..its all show...put some meat on the bones like McCain .....Obama has had months to get it togeather...for obama to get my vote I want to see him and the dems in congress stand up together and give us a list of what they will do legislatively from day one till they are finished...until i get facts no vote from me....i will vote for what we have

Posted by: sidney smith | August 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

These anger supporter must no be real democrats or real HRC supporters. Don't they now Obama and Clinton agree on 99.9% of the issues. Her supporters anger should be at the MSM, not Obama: he's only guilty of winning. Hillary lost, her supporters need to accept it, embrace Obama or move along.

Posted by: Ed | August 25, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"Women are always expected to settle down, smile and do the right thing for God, family and country. Not this time. I will not vote for Obama in a million years. And what about all that 'change in Washington' Obama talked about? Biden? PLEASE. I will cast my vote for Hillary in four years."

JC, If Obama lose, Hillary will not win in 2012 or 2016! I sure will not vote for her. What goes around come around!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I want to comment on Alex's excellent post. Dear Alex and citizens: The two paragraphs from ALEX which I clipped in are related.
WHEN the DRAFT is reinstated by McCain, it is imperative to maintain STATE control of women's bodies, so that millions of men are available for the ENERGY WARS.
(PS. Whereas STATE CONTROL OF REPRODUCTION is ok for the right wing, state supported health care is not. State support of investment banks is fine. State support of millions of homeowners, is not.)

Alex: I despise the Republican Party's use of abortion politics which for years they have used as a wedge to divide citizens. They have callously opposed efforts to provide the financial and educational supports young women need in order to carry a baby to term, even denying them access to affordable contraceptives. They do not want the abortion issue to go away and they have manipulated countless Catholics and Evangelicals to vote for people they would not otherwise support.
(This goes to the bitter comment. If the public perceived the possibility of real change on the economic front, they could vote for the Democratic party. To make that real change happen, we have to elect 60 Senators and end the filibuster).
Alex: I profoundly distrust the politics of scare tactics and appeals to emotionalism. I do not want a man who makes snap judgments from the gut and wants the presidency so bad that he is willing to use the very same tactics that Karl Rove so famously used to divide our nation and keep it divided for the past eight years.
(Obama will restore habeas corpus. McCain allows the CIA to conduct torture of SUSPECTS. )

Posted by: Bruce Becker | August 25, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Eight more years of the same old same old? Wakeup ladies. Time waits for no one and the bell tools for thee. Hillary's moment is over and its not time for sour grapes. Keep your eyes on the ball, support Obama and, God willing, deliver the country from the Republicans who have never learned how to govern. Think of your kids. Think of your country. 2012 for Hillary is no more a reality than 2008 is for Gore. Move on.

Posted by: Clinton Bob | August 25, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Let's breakout the hammer and sickle. The irony is how Obama stands in front of the religious to profess faith, yet supports the bloody murder of innocent life in the womb. I would like to know how Obama stands on throwing away bald eagle eggs from the nest.

Posted by: Steve D. | August 25, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

The rabid Hillary supporters actually believe that if they sink Obama then Hillary can win in 2012? Think again.

They will saddle us with McCain and his right wing supreme court appointees that will last for generations. Then they expect millions of us to support their candidate?

More of us voted by Obama than Clinton which is why he won. If this is their tactic then I am positive that I am not the only who will vote "any one but Hillary" in 2012. What goes around comes around.

Posted by: Jeff | August 25, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

If everyone is worried about McCain becoming President since voters are not voting for Obama, shouldn't the Democrat Party switch candidates to the stronger choice? Maybe Obama in 8 years when he's ready.

Posted by: Sickofit | August 25, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Biden? PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK.

Obama is such a phony and a total lack of respect for the great Democrats with a proven track record before him.

Go Hillary in 2012 - I will sit out this election.

Posted by: C FROM PA | August 25, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I am a Clinton Supporter and I will Support OBAMA. I am convinced that the so call Clinton supporters are RACIST – Bottom Line. They will not support Obama for one reason – He is BLACK. It has nothing to do with the media coverage or any thing Obama said about Clinton. In fact, Sen. Clinton called Sen. Obama several names during the primaries – She was twice as negative as Obama.

The so call Clinton supports don’t support Obama because they are RACIST. Who dear a Black Man to accomplish this honor. They were SLAVES and THIRD CLASS People. That is what the So Call Clinton Supporters are thinking – They just don’t have the guts to say it.

Posted by: mecko | August 25, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

To the Obamabots. If you think I'm going to vote for a man that thinks there's 57 states in the United States, then you're nuts. I'm a democrat that will be voting McCain because I have no choice. It's either McCain or 4 years of the egotistical Obama.

Posted by: NObama_Mama | August 25, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Obama blew it... I will be voting for McCain so at least in 2012 we can vote Hilary in for 8 years.

Obama has no one but himself to blame and being from O H I O.... you can kiss my VOTE GOODBYE OBAMA!!!!

Posted by: Fenril | August 25, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

When my whips rise up on the floor in Denver and my new superdelegates gather their courage and turn their cards for me, America will be free at last! Free to have me as president for 8 years! And Bill as co-president! Me! Me! Meeeeeeeee!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton | August 25, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I do wonder if the people who spend their days reiterating the disinformation and misinformation about Obama are working for
McSame or are genuine gullible sheep.

either way ... seek the Truth, y'all.

Posted by: Bud | August 25, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Not angry....

I supported Clinton strongly...both in the caucuses here in Nevada as well as financially.

I am now strongly committed to helping Barack Obama become the next President and Joe Biden the next VP, with financial contributions and as many other activities as I can fit into a busy schedule.

One factor was enough for me to make my decision [though I could list many others]

John McCain: 894th in a class of 899. Time again for a President with the intellectual capacity to do the job.

Posted by: Jonathan | August 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Stop the talk and don’t vote for McCain, he has the same character flaws as John Edwards an egocentric elitist who cheats on his disabled wife to divorce her for a wealthy woman. He even lied to his wife about his age and that he is separated while he was still living with his wife. And there were rumors he even cheated on her with a lobbyist Vicki Iseman. Once a cheater always a cheater so not surprisingly he was involved in the Keating Five scandal. Now ask yourself why was he not as he promised in cone of silence but in a limousine while driving to Rick Warren!? He tells the voters what they want to hear but wait once he is in the white house then he will sow his true face. You don’t need to vote for Obama, just don’t vote for him. You don’t want a pretender who tells heart-breaking POW stories no one can verify, we don’t want a rich full time professional politician that is like a chameleon showing different colors just to stay afloat, we don’t need another rich man that has no clue what means to make enough money to pay bills.
DON”T VOTE! DON’T VOTE for McCain!!!

Posted by: Mike | August 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

As a gleeful non-voter, I find this entire situation deliciously gratifying. Seeing the ardor of Clinton-versus-Obama rhetoric on both sides simply underlines the fact that out conceptions of representative democracy is hopelessly misguided. This campaign has devolved into this state from an original ideal of allowing simple representatives from various constituencies appear as candidates, but has instead forced together the seedy reality of the American electoral system. Clinton supporters are obvious upset that the traditional "money and prestige" basis of most elections has been overtaken by a process of popularity and likeability. Obama supporters claim to be living out a Utopian electoral ideal of populist support all the while ignoring the manipulated nature of Obama's image. In either case, what is very very clear is that neither of these candidates represent anything or anyone, but have merely learned how to manipulate a mass-public who is jaw-agape stupid, willing to throw support behind an extremely elitist group of people consumed by ambition - and all in the name of a sacred right and trust given to all Americans to elect their leadership. Nothing is more absurd than hearing Clinton supporters complain of unfairness where one form of manipulation has been succeeded by another. Nothing is more naive than hearing Obama supporters imagine that his success is something other than a new form of manipulation taking hold. In either case, I am able to sit comfortably as a non-voter, completely aware that the rhetoric of voicing one's sacred opinion through democratic process and being a responsible citizen is plainly absurd. This campaign proves it. So instead, I will consider this a spectator sport of watching the democratic party consume itself in the pathetic scraps of the two party system, bickering over which group should be represented, or who stole what, or how the incompetencies of state-electoral boards all make a mockery of our facadic democratic ideals. And if that wasn't hilarious enough, people are still arguing as though this has had anything at all to do with the will of the people. Media bias against Clinton, and for Obama? Did you ever wonder why it came down to them in the first place? HA!

Posted by: Bethel421 | August 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Hillary is behind this miscontent with Obama. If she cannot have it, she doesn't want him too have it. I swore if he paid her bad debts, I wouldn't give him anymore money. She has never changed her stripes. You say she got 18 million votes in a fair contest between 2 people. The ones Obama got were against Hillary. She didn't win. That is over, move on Hillary. She will stuff the people for her debts. I am so glad she didn't win the nomination. These Hillary supporters are STUPID People like Hillary. Trying to mess up for the Democrats, so she can be positioned in 2012. Get rid of her now!!!

Posted by: Tony lama | August 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I guess it is pretty unfair for the news media to have claimed HIllary the hands-down victor before the primaries even started. She made a fool of herself, acting selfishly and making outlandish claims of victimization. Obama presents this country with a chance to have a truly great leader, for the first time since JFK. Lets not mess this up by being sore losers.

Posted by: t-rad | August 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If any of Hillary so-called supporters are so angry that they would vote for John McCain, then they were never Democrates in the first place.

Let See: With McCain

No Universal Health Care
No Pulling out Of the Iraq War
No Tax reduction to the poor and middle class.
No commitment to the public education system.

Yeah that's real smart.

Posted by: Lady Sweet | August 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Obama's message of hate and despair against women is all too obvious.
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What were you smoking when you came to this conclusion?

Posted by: lhummer | August 25, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Come on people. Each side has played the best strategy they could, had the best direction they could get from their team. Hillary/Bill team lost fair and square. I can say the Republican party has QUICKLY mended their fences McCain/Romney/Huckabee and are dead set on unity. What is our problem? I smell ego. If you 'do' love Hillary so much help her by getting what is near and dear to her on the White House agenda - health care. She can't do it without us, so why would you desert her and her causes? She is a Democrat and she can't fight for us unless we get a president who will fight for what she wants, and McCain is NOT that man.

Posted by: HillSupportersGoObama | August 25, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

There are some truly twisted people in this country. People who are willing to oppress struggling citizens in this country (in many cases including themselves) under John McCain's leadership because Hillary was not nominated is sick. If the shoe were on the other foot, they would be calling for Obama to step aside and let Hillary have the spotlight, but now they want to throw tantrums because Hillary is not going to be Prez. I want all those taking this stance to consider that without Obama's voting base, Hillary doesn't stand a chance of winning in 2012 or any other year, just know that we are watching her selfish refusal to stand aside and let Obama take his rightful place and we are also watching and listening to her voting base and we won't forget.

Posted by: sickofdoublestandards | August 25, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The inbreeds posting on this piece who claim that they are Hillary supporters who will vote for mccain in November are the same halfwits who bought into rush limbaugh's operation chaos. They are not now, nor have they ever been, DEMOCRATS.

Posted by: pj451 | August 25, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

New polls shows thar hillary supporter are still angry and not willing to vote for Obama. This extreme bitterness won't do do any good to the country or the party. It appears that these "angry" supporters are willing to accept another 4 years of punishent from republicans.
I would add one thing from my own experiance that bitterness, hatred and vengence interfers markedly with rational decesion making.
"there is always someone out there better than what we have" we just need to look around.

Posted by: AMD | August 25, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

On the surface, Hilary supporters by and large seem racist in print. They want Obama to be flawless and hold him accountable for their own candidates shortcomings when she isn't flawless and has plenty of detractors herself. What sank Hilary's boat was her own inability to pick a course of action and follow it, her polarizing rhetoric and Bill Clinton himself, not necessarily in that order. Not only that, but any Hilary supporter insisting they will vote for John McCain will in reality reinforce the stereotypical racist and sour grapes attitudes that permeate American culture.
I had the good fortune to watch my grandfather grow old and at 70 years of age, my family wasn't even sure we wanted him to run the remote control, let alone the free world. The ONLY thing John McCain is better suited to do than Barack Obama is collect social security.

Posted by: deeceew | August 25, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Women are always expected to settle down, smile and do the right thing for God, family and country. Not this time. I will not vote for Obama in a million years. And what about all that 'change in Washington' Obama talked about? Biden? PLEASE. I will cast my vote for Hillary in four years.

Posted by: JC | August 25, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Are all the grief counselors busy? Here we have the Wronged Woman Ex-Candidate running against the Ex-POW candidate and there seems to be no one around to "really listen" to the concerns of either these poor abandoned souls or their wailing supporters.

Where's Dr. Phil when he's needed?

Posted by: Dick31 | August 25, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain how a Hillary supporter could possibly switch to McCain? Obama's agenda is the same as hers. To go for McCain instead is ridiculous. As for experience, Abe Lincoln had none and is widely held to be one of the very best we've had. Clinton will be strong in the senate—and with Obama in the white house, Dems in the senate and house, we might actually get healthcare!

Posted by: focus on the issues | August 25, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

As a lifelong Democrat, I am voting for McCain this year.

We are at war, with more trouble coming.I wish it were Hillary,but I just don't trust Obama to deal well with pressure. Experience does count.

Posted by: Steve007 | August 25, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

What goes around comes around. If the Hillraisers think that by holding out support for Obama so Clinton can win in 2012 they are crazy. She will never win the support of Obama supporters if he loses and she knows it. Selfish Just Selfish

Posted by: madinPA | August 25, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

These are all quotes from Internet posts, you can't tell me they are from actual Clinton supporters.

Her supporters may be disappointed, but I think the "anger" is just something the Rovians are trying to cultivate.

The choice is between HOPE and FEAR, and it still looks like a toss-up. Come on folks, open up your hearts and minds and listen to what Barack AND the Clintons are saying.

YES

WE

CAN

Posted by: Bud | August 25, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

If you hate America, vote for Obama or McCain. I'm writing in Hillary.

Posted by: HillaryforPresident | August 25, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I voted for Hillary in the primaries

i will vote McCain in the general

Obama and his supporters have shown they do not care about the usa by their attitude and comments..The only thing obamas supporters care about is what they get personally..if you dont agree with them you get every threat and vile comment thrown at you.
I will never vote for the news medias darling...this is going to be a no holes barred battle..i am prepared to fight it with every fiber of my being.

Posted by: sidney smith | August 25, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I love Hillary and hate Obama. I will vote for McCain, even though he opposes abortion in all cases, rape and incest included. Even though his position on Iraq has been wrong. Even though he has no meaningful health care proposals. Even though he wants to give more tax cuts to the rich. I want Hillary, not Obama. So it's McCain for me.

Posted by: Nancy | August 25, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I am a hillary clinton supporter and now voting for John Mccain

Posted by: Ron | August 25, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Thanks liberals for the chuckle. It seems that if Obama losses you will blame Hillary. In the last two elections you always had someone to blame rather than yourselves. Ever think the reason you lose is your candidates are not what Americans are looking for?

I can't believe Obama skipped over Hillary. When he loses it will be because he put himself first rather than his party.

That is worse than Pelosi, Reed, Murtha, Biden, Durbin and the rest of their ilk, putting party above country.

Obama just lost the presidential race and it has nothing to do with McCain or Hillary. He lost it all by himself.

His VP decision was devisive by everyone's standards...and if he can't make the right decisions to unitfy his own party...then lots of luck trying to convince the undecided that he can unify the nation.

Bawahaha...ROTFLMAO

Posted by: dan | August 25, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

The problem is how the democrats are handling the primary. If they would have done like the republicans: the winner takes all the delegates, then there wouldn't be this discussions. Democrats are stupid and will lose the election because they cannot unify. Welcome to 4 more years or even 8 of rich republicans that are not interested in the middle class.

Posted by: martin | August 25, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Many Hillary supporters claim that she was treated "unfairly" during the primaries and that the media gave the nomination to Senator Obama. This is pure hogwash. Senator Clinton was treated no differently from any other candidate. How could someone who supported Hillary Clinton now vote for John McCain whose policies are so opposed to Hillary's? It’s like announcing your political ignorance to the entire world.

Posted by: lhummer | August 25, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I think Cynthia McKinney, Bob Barr, and Ralph Nader should all thank the Democratic
Party for all the votes they are about to receive... I have never voted for a Republican and never will, and my nineteen year old daughter is more qualified as president then Obama. At least she knows Canada has a Prime Minister and no she dosn't have an uncle that was in the Russian army during WWII.

Posted by: David | August 25, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe these comments!

First, anyone who thinks that someone took the primary race from Hillary needs to read this month's Atlantic and review the emails from her campaign. She blew it! She did not manage her people or her money and broke faith with her supporters. Her campaign was inept. Obama, like him or not, ran a smart campaign.

Forget her running in 2012--none of the big donors will throw that money down the same trail again.

So, if you sit out this election becaused of a bruised ego, and McCain wins, you get at least 4 more years of Bush policies. Personally I don't think our country can survive it.

So, stop behaving like thwarted two-year olds and grow up, suck up you damaged ideals and vote policies which follow your interests and needs.

Posted by: Liz | August 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Obama's message of hate and despair against women is all too obvious. The naked misogyny of the American press almost gleeful in spewing its disgusted lies against the only candidate worthy of the name.

The plan for Denver WILL NOT FAIL - despite all the efforts of the media, the criminal DNC and the RNC.

Hillary will get the nation that is waiting for her!

Posted by: PUMA! PUMA! PUMA! | August 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

WAPO Readers express bitterness over the primaries and Clinton's loss.
Hmmm. The actual supporters of First Lady are 'bitter'?
How could this be? Perhaps First Lady was a liar, when she said that back home in Indiana, Pa, they are not bitter. After all, if 40% of the registered voters didnt even vote in 2004, and 10's of millions of other citizens didnt even bother to register, that could not POSSIBLY be an indicator that they are bitter, could it?

Posted by: bruce Becker | August 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Read Rea's Comment, it's perfect.

Thank you Col. Khajawall, for reminding American voters that they have a very important judgment call to make. This is not a popularity contest, remember the likability quotient of George W. matched against the far more serious and far-sighted Al Gore and the Swift-boated John Kerry?

Those of us who supported Hillary Clinton must move on and support her in the Senate. We need Hillary to spearhead what will be a difficult struggle to win national health insurance for every American citizen. It will take her considerable intelligence and experience to crack that difficult jungle of competing interests.

Barack Obama reminds me very much of Abraham Lincoln, a one-term congressman from Illinois who led our country with a nobility of purpose that thrilled his fellow countrymen just as John F. Kennedy inspired a generation of Americans to serve their country as ambassadors of good will and laid the foundations for the civil rights reforms for which many died.

Barak Obama is wise beyond his years. His memoirs and his speeches tell us that. The man he picked as his running mate tells us that. He will listen to the voices of experience, and he will deliberate carefully before making decisions that put Americans in harm's way. I will vote for him, and vote for him gladly, which is not to say that there will not be times when I disagree with him, or times when I might have hoped for more. And I am thrilled that he is bringing, for the first time, young voters and others who never voted to work tirelessly for a new vision of America.

I despise the Republican Party's use of abortion politics which for years they have used as a wedge to divide citizens. They have callously opposed efforts to provide the financial and educational supports young women need in order to carry a baby to term, even denying them access to affordable contraceptives. They do not want the abortion issue to go away and they have manipulated countless Catholics and Evangelicals to vote for people they would not otherwise support.

I profoundly distrust the politics of scare tactics and appeals to emotionalism. I do not want a man who makes snap judgments from the gut and wants the presidency so bad that he is willing to use the very same tactics that Karl Rove so famously used to divide our nation and keep it divided for the past eight years.

Posted by: Alex | August 25, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Problem is that Obama has a questionable character and his associations with radical pastor wright, convicted criminal Rezko, Iraq billonaire Auchi, Khalidi, Islam Farrakhan, fraudster kilpartick, racist sharpton, jackson, convicted terrorist Ayers and Dhorn... and above all his anti-american wife... how can we vote for him? Hillary was the only option for Dems.. Now they are going down this fall.

Posted by: jon | August 25, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters are nothing but closet racists, like Bill Clinton himself. Remember how he, the first "black" president, dissed Obama in South Carolina. They want the plantation blacks in the plantation and give them platitudes while doling out their own corrupt buddies pardons. The corruption has combined with racism in the uppity white women who think they are better than others. In fact, being working class themselves, they should unify with the blacks, but they think that they are better than the blacks. What the rest of the party decided, unfortunately, is that being black is less important than being right. That roils the racists like nothing can. These corrupt and racist people will not change until they die.

Posted by: NothingButRacism | August 25, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"unusually dyspeptic crowd that has weighed in on this one"

How do you figure it's unusual? Ever since Barack started running, the overt tone from the Clinton campaign was nothing but dyspeptic. Her campaign and supporters were mocking Obama's supporters and criticizing the media for reporting the FACT that Obama was energizing his crowds with uplifting messages while she was memorizing her crowds with cynicism and "reality" checks. Barack spent little time attacking her whereas she continued the the sarcasm and baseless snide commentary all through her campaign. So why would it be unusual for those same followers who readily supported her in light of her overt dyspeptic campaign to reflect it again when their leader was rejected by a campaign that only wants to inspire people to realize their own potential? Furthermore, it's easy to play the gender card because she was the only female up for serious consideration. However, I think the first woman to be elected will wise up to the idea that folks don't want cynicism and crying from their leaders. Above all, the majority will want someone who doesn't make prolific mistakes like voting for catastrophically bad ideas. Speaking of Iraq, when are we leaving that vortex of wasted human life and tax dollars?

Posted by: andy harris | August 25, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Plato said the problem with democracy is that it becomes more about faces than the actual people. Who cares that Obama is black or McCain is 71. These are two of the most powerful men in the world right now. Look at their policies. McCain will ruin the environment, drive poor families into the ground, and still have time to sit around with his oil buddies. I don't support Obama 100%. The guy is an idiot. But there is no way McCain can lead the country. His whole POW angle is ridiculous. He got shot down killing civilians and got tortured for it. You would wish the same on our enemies. I'm in the military and think he is garbage. The man voted against our new GI Bill. Gramma Jo, I think you are a racist. You mention that his white family stepped up and brought up well, because of course only they could, right? Anyway, our country is going to destroy itself. If McCain wins, I'm leaving the country.

Posted by: AshesToAshes | August 25, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama is truly an idiot not to pick Hillary for v.p. Now old wounds over the closest primary in history have been reopened,Mccain will be able to capitalize on hillary anger, and pundits will point out all the blatant contradictions and differences in a Obama Biden ticket. What it comes down to is he just did not have the courage to pick Hillary. And how will he have the courage to change washington? Instead he chose Biden, a candidate no better than Mccain! In fact, I kind of like Mccain more that Biden because Mccain has been more of an independent. Obama supporters better hope Mccain doesn't pick a vp who can get those hillary voters.

Posted by: john | August 25, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Dumb question - Does experience in the Senate transfer to experience as a President?

Let's face it, who really has credible experience to be a President? I believe the only living people who have it are Carter, H.W., BILL Clinton and W.

Posted by: Adam | August 25, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters who want her because she is a "woman" ought to do a bit of homework and find out how her anti-worker efforts at Walmart injured the mostly women who work there for minimum wages.

At the end of the day I can't help believe that their reluctance is really refusal to vote for a black person. and lest anyone dispute that.... there has been lots of evidence of this attitude throughout the process so far.

Posted by: karvictho | August 25, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Col. Khajawall, for reminding American voters that they have a very important judgment call to make. This is not a popularity contest, remember the likability quotient of George W. matched against the far more serious and far-sighted Al Gore and the Swift-boated John Kerry?

Those of us who supported Hillary Clinton must move on and support her in the Senate. We need Hillary to spearhead what will be a difficult struggle to win national health insurance for every American citizen. It will take her considerable intelligence and experience to crack that difficult jungle of competing interests.

Barack Obama reminds me very much of Abraham Lincoln, a one-term congressman from Illinois who led our country with a nobility of purpose that thrilled his fellow countrymen just as John F. Kennedy inspired a generation of Americans to serve their country as ambassadors of good will and laid the foundations for the civil rights reforms for which many died.

Barak Obama is wise beyond his years. His memoirs and his speeches tell us that. The man he picked as his running mate tells us that. He will listen to the voices of experience, and he will deliberate carefully before making decisions that put Americans in harm's way. I will vote for him, and vote for him gladly, which is not to say that there will not be times when I disagree with him, or times when I might have hoped for more. And I am thrilled that he is bringing, for the first time, young voters and others who never voted to work tirelessly for a new vision of America.

I despise the Republican Party's use of abortion politics which for years they have used as a wedge to divide citizens. They have callously opposed efforts to provide the financial and educational supports young women need in order to carry a baby to term, even denying them access to affordable contraceptives. They do not want the abortion issue to go away and they have manipulated countless Catholics and Evangelicals to vote for people they would not otherwise support.

I profoundly distrust the politics of scare tactics and appeals to emotionalism. I do not want a man who makes snap judgments from the gut and wants the presidency so bad that he is willing to use the very same tactics that Karl Rove so famously used to divide our nation and keep it divided for the past eight years.

Posted by: Rea Howarth | August 25, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Hillary will get her delegates and take Denver!

Obama is doomed!

Hillary will have the presidency she is entitled to!

Posted by: Zorro de la Platte | August 25, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I am VERY disapponted with Obama and in the press for pushing him blindly during the primaries and causing him to get far more votes then he deserved. Hillary Clinton was robbed and is by far more qualified. Obama should have made her VP and his refusal to do so causes major problem with her supporters. I wish there was a way during role call to force her on the ticket as VP. I am not pleased and really want to stay home in November! Democrats are nominating a man with no experience who can't speak unless his tele-prompter is on. SO FRUSTRATING!

Posted by: Ryan Healey | August 25, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

So Mrs. Clinton holds a blank dance card. (fine by me) She and her blind supporters should have the grace to pack up and go home -- SILENTLY. It does not matter that she is a woman. (Her "causes" are destructive for women, anyway.) Nor does it matter that Mr. Obama is non-white and male.

No candidate, from any political party in the U.S., is well-suited to lead our complex nation. Just cast your vote for the least offensive, least potentially destructive candidate.

Posted by: AWC | August 25, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

If you were a Hillary supporter who is now planning to vote for McCain than you were never really a Hillary supporter.

Posted by: godblessusa | August 25, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I was a Hillary supporter and now Obama has convinced me of change. For the first time in my life I am going to vote straight line Republican.

That's change.

Posted by: Gail M | August 25, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The sentiment among Clinton backers is that they were in fact "thrown under the bus". Where did those millions of votes for Hillary gone?

Posted by: Mazhar | August 25, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters have every right to be angry. Michigan and Florida were not handled fairly. You cannot discount the voters of this nation to suit a situation. The voters are 100x more important than Obama.

PUMA!!!

Posted by: Michael | August 25, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The Hillary people are deluding themselves. They often call Obama/Clinton a "dream ticket", but it would be a dream for the Republicans. There are millions of people who would not vote Democrat if Clinton was on the ticket. All the Hillary fans don't realize how many people don't want the continuation of dynasty elections. The Bush family, the Clinton family. Let's keep the power in the hands of the few why don't we? Plus she's such a totally divisive figure. And do we really want Bill interfering in the White House? Give more than two seconds though to this.

Do you want Democratic values in the White House, or do you want to stick with your guns and divide the vote, and force us to lose? And this "she won the popular vote" thing is nonsense. That's her campaign's math, and they counted states where she didn't have an opponent because they broke the party rules.

Posted by: Ken | August 25, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Hillary lost fair and square. Get over it.

Posted by: STILTON | August 25, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Enough already!!! This is why the republicans can always stay on message and the dems are always distracted.Can the washington post stick to real issues or have they given up on solid reporting?

Posted by: schwavey | August 25, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama wants to do this without the Clintons.He can take full credit if he pulls it off. He can blame Hillary and Bill if he doesn't.
Smart strategy.

Posted by: mediahack | August 25, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm excited about voting for a Democratic party candidate this year; totally supporting of Obama and his capacity for hope and change. Being 70 years old and a life time Republican, this is a major decision for me as I live and breath politics. The only thing that would have prevented me for voting for Senator Obama is if he had selected Hillary Clinton as a running mate. He would have not gotten my vote. And, this is the sentiments of a number of my neighbors and friends who are also "crossing the line" to vote for Obama. I really wish the media would quit writing about the mad Hillary people. They have got to get over it and support the Democratic candidate... and voting for McCain is certainly no intelligent option!

Posted by: Lee K. | August 25, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton Supporters Voting For John McCain

You are not Democrats!
You do not care about past issues that have faced families and women, and you certainly do not care about future issues facing families and women! You will obviously do whatever it takes to ensure hard fought legislation presented by Democrats to protect women and families is overturned! Democrats can be assured you WILL NOT be whining since you support Republicans!

As the cost of living increases, we know you will be proud that you played such an important part in putting another Republican in office!

But, most of all, you will be extremely proud of destroying everything BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON, and Democrats have struggled and fought for to improve the quality of life in the United States. You will rally as more jobs are sent overseas, and stand firmly on the side of Republicans as more men and women march off to war in other faraway countries.

You will boost to friends and families about the important role you played in this election to prevent the possibility of health care for Americans.

You can take comfort in knowing because of your bitterness, self-absorption and lack of logic and reasoning, Hillary Clinton will go down in history books and novels as a woman who destroyed the one chance to remove power from Republicans during a time in American history when the country was at its worst possible point!

History will discredit everything Hillary Clinton has accomplished as a WOMAN, First Lady, and SENATOR because of your vote for John McCain. Hillary Clinton is trying to stand behind the Democratic Party to insure a better life for all Americans, but that’s not enough for you! You want to destroy her because you feel betrayed!

Good luck, and enjoy your selfish, vindictive victory vote for the Republican Party – for McCain, and for Rush Limbaugh!

Posted by: Mary | August 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I think all of these supposed Hillary only backers should get a life. They want four more years of the same crap we have had for 8 years and who knows how many wars, just to spite Obama. Let's just get realistic government again and forget thinking about 2012.

Posted by: harry | August 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Obama picked Joe Biden, of all people, as his running mate shows that he either does not care about what a lot of women expressed in their support of Hillary or that he is an elitist that instead of forging ahead as he has been blabbing about during this whole campaign he picks one of the 'old guard' and sets us back, too. Let's face it, the media and the DNC and the Republicans inadvertently conspired to ruin Hillary's chances to be the nominee, even though she is the most qualified. If Obama could not get past his ego and pick Hillary as his running mate, he should have at least picked someone who does think differently and bucks the crowd, like Dennis Kuchinic. That choice would have made me look at Obama in a much more favorable light. But not now - he is one of the 'good old boys' - he just happens to be half black - remember that, he is half black. He is emphasizing that half because he knows it will get him votes from certain groups. However, I find him less than honorable by doing that as it was his white family that stepped up to the plate and gave him a good upbringing. I do not even think I will vote in this election because I find nothing appealing in either candidate. This country needs a third party - a REAL Independent Party. And one more thing - there is no one who will convince me that Micelle Obama is NOT a racist! Unfortunately, too, this country would rather have an inexperienced black man as the Presidential candidate than a woman - even though that woman is the best qualified.

Posted by: Gramma Jo | August 25, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If Clinton, sabtoge or the appearance of it in 2012 she WILL NOT have the African-American VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Charlene | August 25, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

This is some sick sick stuff. Your candidate lost the primary, if Obama was a popular and effective president, in eight years a highly qualified woman, Sebulis if I am correct, would win the presidency almost uncontested. If Obama does not win, Hillary will again lose in the primary in 2012, because it will be clear what the plan was.

Sick and twisted and selfish and divisive.

Posted by: Alex | August 25, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The fact that so many Hillary supporters (emulators) would choose to concede the election to the Republicans out of spite show how lacking in priciples they really are. I guess the reason they loved her so much was because she, like them, cares only for her own success despite whatever damage to the country is causes.

Posted by: bklyn_lib | August 25, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

This is just too wrong. Those of you who are still very adamant about getting Hillary Clinton elected you need help. I am sorry I maybe one vote but, I feel everyone one of you who still feel she has been wronged and she should be the nominee. Really have no desire to see our nation to change and get better. You would rather play around with our country just to get your candidate in at 2012. You are willing to gamble with yourselves and your children future just so you can prove a point.
If you are real democratic you need to get behind Obama instead of fighting him and electing John McCain. I think Senator Lindsey Graham had it half right about American's being whiners but, I think he is referring to you and other individual's still trying to get Hillary in there.
You would rather give up your children's future just to have Hillary as president and that certainly sounds like you are very selfish and you do not care what happens.

I am a republican myself and I really feel the Dems have a great candidate and you are the only one who could give John McCain and third term for George Bush.
Women will have their chance and much better candidate so please don't blow this opportunity for my son and other children out there.
She broke the ceiling and has made the right choice to encourage and show women are qualified to be president. She lost and now we need to move forward and stop being so stubborn and selfish jus tbecause Hillary did no tget it this time . We cna not afford to wait 44 mor eyears to have her get another chance to win. This is our lives and not a game.

Posted by: Ken | August 25, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

COL. Khajawall,
Thanks for your service.
I'm also a veteran and I liked Big John for years but I remember how the Repugnant Party trashed him in his last attempt for that party's nomination and it embarrassed me and I'm independent.
He was forced to associate with the Bush “government” in order to avoid another party effort to assassinate his character. While I understand the necessity for this compromise; I cannot, in good conscience, vote for a republican to be…Dog Catcher in Bosnia! I like dogs, even Bosnian dogs so, why would I wish upon them the abuse and gross incompetence suffered upon us at the hands of the girly-boy Repugnants?
There is no question that John is honorable and is forced to work with a defective political party infused throughout with avarice, special interest and just plain ignorance. For this reason I will go with the intelligence, and well read abilities of an inexperience candidate, a compromise, but then that’s what we always get, truth be known, and vote Democratic. I see no other responsible choice; we have much repairing and rebuilding to do and I hope the Dems are somewhat capable; the Repugnants have gotten us here; they are not likely to do anything but dig deeper into out basement of society and succeed in making us the third world country they apparently favor.
I respect John; I think most do but, he’s a Repugnant, the worst example of political indulgence we’ve suffered, even with the disgusting likes of Boss Hog and the Daly’s. We all need to vote Dem, give them a chance to repair and if they don’t…find a third party candidate and get behind him/her in the hopes of fixing our severely broken system. We can begin by abolishing the so called “Electoral College”. I still believe we can rebuild our country. I favor Leavenworth for many "administration" officials including the top two!
Jim D

Posted by: Jim D | August 25, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Hillary people just don't get it, they could not even win the primary but they think they will be able to when the General election in 2012, like Democrats and Independents won't remember this attempted coup. If Obama does not win it will be blamed on Hillary and she can kiss her future in politics good bye. I once supported Hillary but I got in line with Democratic ticket, it makes no sense to sell out to McCain specially considering the selection of Supreme Court justices and women's rights concerning abortion. I feel sorry for what they are doing to Hillary's future.

Posted by: Jimmy Green | August 25, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

May I remind ElleninCA that Roosevelt and Clinton were governors while JFK had been in Congress for over a decade before assuming office. Obama has been what? A state representative? And don't forget in his brief tenure, JFK gave us the Bay of Pigs fiasco, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the building of the Berlin Wall and the start of the Vietnam War. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of youth.

Posted by: CyberPunk | August 25, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

If you simply look at the management of the campaigns, Obama wins hands down. Raising tons of money in unique ways, managing the money wisely, bringing in huge numbers of new voters, organized to the hilt, and no major staff shuffles.

Contrast that with the mismanagement of the Clinton & McCain organizations and all the divisions within.

I'd like to see the next president manage the country as well as Obama has managed his campaign. Who says he's not qualified to manage the country?

Posted by: Terry in NC | August 25, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Hillary watched as other candidates in her party were given less time and less serious questions in the debates, less free airtime on TV, and ultimately, excluded from the race by the media.

She even colluded (caught on mic) to eliminate other candidates from the debates.

Now we're supposed to feel pity that she was somehow railroaded by that same process? Ha!

Elections in the US are corrupt, in large part due to a biased media and its corporate sponsors. It's ridiculous to somehow express moral outrage about Hillary being left behind, without recognizing the systemic problems that led to it. If you want to be angry about something, be angry about campaign finance, the repeal of equal airtime laws, and the lack of independently sponsored fair debates.

Posted by: Shawn | August 25, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

this morning Chicago Suntimes couldn't make it any clearer. Denver is a bunch of Nazi's who have control of the Party. Calling Black Clinton delegates "Uncle Tom" isn't going to get them anywhere except Detroit, Southside Chi or Sub-Saharan Africa.

Delegate says Jones called her 'Uncle Tom'
'WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?' | Aldermen heard remark but believe Senate president 'said it in jest'

August 25, 2008Recommend (1)

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH AND DAVE MCKINNEY Staff Reporters

Emil Jones denies calling rival "Uncle Tom"

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Delmarie Cobb, standing outside Mayor Daley’s reception Sunday, is a Chicago political consultant and Clinton delegate. She says Emil Jones (inset) called her an "Uncle Tom."
(Mark Bieganski/For the Sun-Times/AP)

Posted by: Don | August 25, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Voters have a right to be angry. Very, very, angry.

The DNC has handed the Presidency to McCain on a silver platter.

Why can't Obama win?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4X7ehB9kN0

The man will NEVER win.

Posted by: xbjllb | August 25, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

If Americans could vote according to their own convictions and not what the media tells them too, they might seem more credible on the world stage. If I see one more self absorbed celebrity singing the praises of Obama, I will puke!!! I hope McCain wins if for no other reason than to shut CNN up!

Posted by: Theresa | August 25, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I am a Hillary supporter who is now backing Obama. I still firmly believe that Clinton would be a far better choice than Obama for president, but Obama is better than McCain.

Honestly, I don't have nearly as much of a problem with Obama as I do with some of his supporters...for example Barbara and Blake. I think they are young and silly. Obama can not win without former Hillary supporters, you would think they would follow the lead of Obama and be welcoming instead of saying things like "Who cares if they are mad."

And by the way thisworld, if you look at the polls, Obama is leading among women. It is narrow minded white men who aren't supporting him.

Posted by: Lorih | August 25, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Good riddance Paul Allen, we don't want weak people like you in our camp anyway.

Go vote for a loser again, it suits you well

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

CalifGirl,

Do your homework. Your comments are wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: MediaWatch | August 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I admit it! I am a bitter Clinton suppporter and I am finding it more and more difficult to embrace Obama. I am waffeling between McCain and sitting this one out. I do believe Obama has ignored Clinton supporters and that, in the end, his arrogance will be his undoing. The good news for you Obama supporters...I haven't voted for a winning president since Clinton and its looking a lot like I'm going to have to wait at least four more.

Posted by: Paul Allen | August 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Go ahead Hillary supporters. Cost the Democratic nominee the election and destroy her politcal career. You want a Republican for president? Go for it. Enjoy.

Posted by: lrs | August 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I think Republican Bill Bennett nailed it last night on CNN responding to Obama cheerleader Candy Crowley's comment that everybody needs to chill out over concerns of Obama lagging in the polls:

BILL BENNETT, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: I wouldn't chill if you look at the trend in the polls the last couple of weeks. I don't think I'd chill. I think I'd get warmed up here and be ready to engage. Look, I don't understand why they didn't pick Hillary Clinton to be the running mate. I thought that was the obvious choice. I didn't say they should because I didn't want them to. I thought that would electrify the ticket, get all these people behind.

I don't understand, except Barack Obama doesn't want anything to do with the Clintons. If you think about it, it's not my camp, this is a gutsy move on his part. This is pretty dog gone, courageous. These people have been in charge of this party for 15 years and he says, you have no place on the ticket. They're not even treating them very well. This is a pretty strong, pretty strong position.

But, you though, I imagine what David said, and what Hillary said, these are counselors of rationality, they will all come back; they will all see that they agree on these positions. The problem is, this doesn't account for what Freud called the narcissism of small differences. People are not just rational agents thinking about policy. They're full of resentment and partialities and jealousies. These things matter big time. To suggest that there's not a lot of that in the Obama/Clinton tension, I think is to miss the point.

Posted by: mediahack | August 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

You know what message I have for the Clinton's supporters. Grow up! Let it go!

If you are voting McCain in despise, then I'm very happy that Clinton didn't won the primaries.

This is not about a candidate, this is about the welfare of the country, so put your pride in the bag and eat the bullet for the common good.

Posted by: elbeto | August 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"Why should Hillary supporters back Obama now, when they can look forward to Hillary 2012?"

HRC you really think she will win in 2012, well I don't think so. I am a Democrat and if Obama lose this election, I will not be voting for her in 2012 or 2016. As I said before what goes around come around.

Posted by: Amy | August 25, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why Clinton supporters are so upset, the process is the process, it's time to get behind the person the process has chosen as it's representative. Clinton supporters must decide if they are
Democrats or Clintoncrats, if Democrats then get on board, if Clintocrats then get third party status and run, as an independent of the process.

Posted by: msamu | August 25, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who says they support Hillary but will vote McCain is a Republican or a liar or does not vote on issues.

No one can give evidence otherwise.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Puma is another organization disguised as a KKK all you Pumas dont forget to wear the hood over your face at the convention

Posted by: J | August 25, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Do you Clinton supporters REALLY think she stands a chance in 2012? If Obama wins and gets elected twice, and hillary runs in 2016, she would have a chance. If Obama loses, it's because YOU didn't rally around him for the good of the country, and then no one who supports Obama will be able to forgive you. Don't you get it! If Obama loses, Hillary never stands a chance on the national stage again! If Obama loses now, it will ONLY be because of you and people fearmongered into thinking he has no experience, and so the latter will be solved by 2012. Obama loses, and Clinton is completely cast aside by democrats and independants alike. Rally around Obama now, and there will be a great shot at Hillary '16 (Don't worry, she'll still be younger than McCain is now)

Posted by: Unity 08 | August 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

There seems to be a tendency from all sides to focus on the personality of one candidate.

As an American, to see people refuse to participate in or even hinder a democratic process that helps fix serious issues which threaten our strength and leadership role in the world in favor of jockeying for "their candidate" to win a political position is short sighted. Elections are not about personal pride in your candidate winning, but participating in the selection of leaders to solve problems on behalf of the electorate.

To suggest that voters would sacrifice their own national interest for their vanity will only prolong the very serious issues which need to be addressed.

Posted by: Gordon | August 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

@DC do you even pay attention to the events of this election.

Please go away with you sound-bite spoon fed analysis.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I don't get it. Clinton herself has thrown her full support behind Obama. I voted for Clinton in the primaries but there is no way in hell I'm gonna vote for McCain. Anybody who votes McCain is voting for everything Clinton is against, and what America is against for that matter.

If you call yourself a Clinton supporter and vote for McCain, then you are a liar. You are actually making Hillary's life in the senate 100 times more difficult for the next four years.

Posted by: Hector | August 25, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters = identity voters = bad for America

Obama supporters = issue voters = good for everyone

McCain supporters = same as usual = bad for America

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Obama showed a lot of promise earlier in his campaign. He appeared to be a real breath of fresh air. But, even with the obvious benefits he's enjoyed with the media, the shine has begun to tarnish. Certainly doesn't make McCain more attractive, because he's not. But the Obama "change" message has become a tired message. Noble it is, but reality appears to be an attempt to be everything to everybody. And there is a Marxist feel to his message that makes me very uncomfortable. With what is happening in Russia and with a rising China, it is not a time to experiment with idealism or inexperience. I believe Clinton could have responded to those challenges, but that doesn't matter now. My vote has changed, not because McCain is attractive, but because I don't believe Obama can deliver. But I respect others who have a differing opinion.

Posted by: DC | August 25, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

One reason that Republicans have a measure of respect for Senator Clinton is that she actually has experience and a pretty good head on her shoulders. I don't understand all these simpletons who would vote for Obama. He HAS NO EXPERIENCE. In a job as important as being the President it would be nice to know that the person we elect truly knows what he or she is doing instead of having only made vague promises about "change."

Posted by: Rob | August 25, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Regarding ElleninCA's remark that Obama "at 47, is... older than Teddy Roosevelt, John Kennedy, and Bill Clinton were when each of them was sworn in as President."

The difference is the level of experience; Roosevelt, Kennedy, Clinton all had substantially more experience than Obama. For example, as the youngest elected President, Kennedy served in the Navy & had substantial experience in foreign policy. It is not Obama's youth that creates concern, it is his lack of experience which, in turn, develops ones judgment.

Posted by: CalifGirl | August 25, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post is one of my fave online news sites, but cripes, Doug, have the courage to be truthful!

These radicals are NOT true Hillary supporters, they are PUMA - cloaked Republicans bent on disrupting the Dem convention and steering gullible Hillary supporters to John McCain.

You know this, Doug, yet you insist on this pot-stirring tabloid "journalism".

Is it because corporate media has a lot to lose of Dems win the election?

Posted by: MediaWatch | August 25, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

To internet debators really take themselves seriously? It's like arguing with the dog.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I hate all of you for belittling me. I will win the nomination at the convention, even if I have to grind the bones of Obama and Biden myself.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton | August 25, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Acting like the internet represents America is the saddest jokoe in the universe

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who would vote for McCain over Obama because Hillary didn't get the nomination is a moron. Which candidate is closer to Hillary's ideals? It's blatantly obvious that Obama is about 3 continents closer to Hillary's positions than McCain. If you're a Hillary supporter and you do *anything* but vote for Obama, you are betraying Hillary, yourself, the Democratic party, and the entire country.

That is, assuming you actually supported her because of her stance on the issues, which is the only reason you should support anyone.

Posted by: Nate | August 25, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Hillary 2012 is the saddest joke in the history of the universe.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

This article, apart from cutting and pasting comments from the internet offers very little insight into whether this "outrage" is from Democrats or Republicans posing as Democrats to create a false impression of disunity.
The common thread seems to be that none of these comments offer a logical explanation why they do not support Barack Obama, when his policy positions are almost identical to Hillary's.

Posted by: Jeff | August 25, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

if Obama should loose the election Hillary Clinton will be blamed 100% and she , her husbad and dear Chelsea can kiss goodbye to their political career

Posted by: joe | August 25, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone who posts one the internet has any self-esteem, because you are all liars and have zero, ZERO... undersatnading of elections, rule, and when you are just talking out of your ass.

Posted by: Dark Lady | August 25, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"unusually dyspeptic"

More semantic spin from a so-called journalist.

Any rational, honest, person would not portray Hilary supporters as dyspeptic. I suppose one could portray them as just so much blood and guts ground up under the bus wheels of the obama-media machine too.

As much as I distrust McCain's independence from the repugs,, I still like his ornery demeanor, Biden's too.

Biden and McCain, McCain and Biden, now THERE is a ticket for America.


Posted by: seneca69 | August 25, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Get over it !! geez!

Posted by: GBush | August 25, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I remember Bill Clinton, governor of Arkansas, running in '92. Pray tell me what foreign-policy experience did that job bring to the White House? Obama is at least as well educated, and he is much more mature in behavior then Bill Clinton is even today.

Posted by: tanaS | August 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Why should Hillary supporters back Obama now, when they can look forward to Hillary 2012?

Posted by: HRC | August 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The media's unhelathy infatuation with Hillary CLinton is destroying the historic tone and serious issues we should be disccusssing in this election.

Shame on you media, every article is sensationalist and every serious discussion is pushed to the back page so we can talk about divisive superficials nonsense so you can get ratings and more advertising dollars.

Hopefully, the public is smarter

Posted by: Jason | August 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

why is it that this is the news that is coming out of the washington post, fox news, and the associated press. maybe because you folks are a joke. you have to read it to see what the neo-nuts think like. this is nothing new coming from you folks. i get better news coming out of Opus and Doonsbury cartoons. carl mcgarry

Posted by: carl mcgarry | August 25, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I am flabbergasted by these narrow-minded Clinton devotees who are going to subject our country to four more years of Bushism, endangering our soldiers, and further destroying our economy just so they can prove a point. I can't take credit for this analogy, but they are the Ellen James Society from World According to Garp. Plus, their plan is full of holes. If Obama loses now, he and Hillary will be in the primaries together again in 2012. After McCain's presidency, Obama will do even better than he did this time. And Hillary will be out again.

PUMA, et al: grow up. It's not all about *you.*

Posted by: Barbara | August 25, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Who cares if they're upset? Who should be more upset, them, for losing? Or Obama supporters for having to change their dipers the past few months.

I sincerely wish they would quit acting like Hillary is still "entitled"

Posted by: Blake | August 25, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Oh please tell those bloody minded women to shut the h*** up now for goodness's sake!

Their big, old sister will probably end up with a plum post like the Secretary of State in the Obama cabinet anyway. The whole thing is getting so blooming tiring and boring just like an old hag's rantings.

Posted by: thisworld | August 25, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Funny that the GOP, who has repeatedly shown their hatred for both Clinton's consistently over the past decade, now would fool people into believing that they have a certain respect for her.

Well, they don't. They hate her with a passion. They can't stand Hillary and would have loved to tear into her if she had won the primaries, probably painting her as an ultra liberal, weak on experience, supporter of a womanizer and a terrible mother – someone with no morals or ethics.

That’s what the GOP thinks of Hillary. Only an uninformed fool would believe otherwise.

And this is coming from someone who has been a member of that party for almost 3 decades.

Posted by: First time dem voter | August 25, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Many Hillary supporters think that she will win in 2012, but i don't think she will. What goes around come around. The next time we will get a Democrat President will be in 2016, which is sad.

Posted by: Amy | August 25, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Dear American Citizens and the mass media of U.S.A.

As a concerned disabled American Veteran and American citizen, I consider it my duty and responsibility to bring following critical characteristics of so called Maverick McCain to you for proving me wrong or right.

"The citizens of the United States of America have the ultimate responsibility to elect the " Right Candidate with the right temperament" to lead our nation' to address our nations present and future moral, democratic, economic, educational, health care, energy, military, and foundational soul of our nation.

In my firm professional opinion that the media should help the common voter to explore and discuss following attributes of Hon. Senator McCain.


1. Does he have a calm, cool, and collected " temper " [ Presidential Temperament ]?
2. Does he have a sound and sustained "Judgment and Caliber"?
3. Does he have a reveal a presidential "Thought-fullness and togetherness" of purpose and positions?
4. Does he lot or little "ex-poser and exploitation" around Washington"?
5. Does he poses enough " Vigor, wisdom and Vision " for our Great-grand Nation?
6. Does he poses foreign policy exploit-es based on " American Values, Virtuous, Vastness"?
7. Does his campaign talk. slogans and ads are based of facts and free of fiction, deception, seduction, and attacks?

If your answer to the above questions is yes then recommend and vote for him.

But in my professional. political, and personal opinion that vote is against the common interests majority of American people, against the world humanity, continuation of status qua and possibly dangerous world order.

Long live U.S.A and its democratic people and their common sense.

COL.. A.M. Khajawall [Ret] MD., Colonel, USAR / MC Combat Stress Control[Ret], Disabled American Veteran and Iraq Freedom team.
PS: Focus on the real problems facing America and its citizens. Do not trivilze this election and focus on McCain

Posted by: COL. A.M.Khajawall {Ret} | August 25, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

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