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Dan Balz, the Post's senior political writer, reported this morning that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was first interviewed at length by the head of Republican Sen. John McCain's vice presidential vetting team just one day before McCain asked her to be his running mate and that she did not disclose her 17-year-old daughter's pregnancy until that meeting.

Well, most of our Readers Who Comment on that story appear to be supporters of the Democratic ticket, because they're having as much fun with this as readers who appear to be supporters of the Republican ticket have had with stories about, say, Barack Obama's former Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Some comments are funny, some make good points, a few are inappropriate and violate our comment standards and will get removed. Civil discourse is not always a feature of internet conversation.

There are many more comments suggesting that McCain made a poor choice in selecting Gov. Palin than there are comments of support. A few suggest she is no more poorly qualified than Obama and note that she has actually been in charge of something (a city and now a state). There are the usual attacks on the "liberal" media. But the majority of comments at this hour suggest Palin was selected for the wrong reasons and call McCain's judgment into question.

We'll start with bfjam, who said, "This explains why McCain kept postponing the announcement. My guess is he wanted Lieberman, but the GOP base leaders vetoed that choice. So Palin was rather hastily vetted. Why not Ridge or Pawlenty, or Crist? Picking Palin is like drawing to an inside straight to me."

But Kansas28 wrote, "First you say Palin was not vetted then you talk about the long process that she and others went through for several weeks. Palin was on the original list and it has been in the news for months."

truth2 said, "John McCain is reckless and a gambler. He is treating his run for President like a day at the craps table. He throws the dice and hopes for the best. Is that really the person we want leading our country? Not me..."

McCain adviser Steve Schmidt told reporter Balz that "We made a political determination that the American people would not object to a female candidate with a 17-year-old daughter who was pregnant." That produced this post from mediajunky: "Okay...but I object when the same person preaches abstinence"

EricaJC asked, "Is this the foresight and judgment McCain would bring to the Presidency? Bad timing to shoot from the hip, and I don't think it shows much respect from the American electorate to give them so little time to assess a little known politician."

kohsar240 wrote, "McCain... has failed his first test of his aspiring presidential bid. What if Obama had made a similar choice? Right wings would be all over crying foul how inexperienced Obama is and how Obama lacks family value."

wharwood said, "I'm still getting a kick out of the Palin has more experience than Obama bit. 1.5 scandal ridden years as a governor of a state with less people than Baltimore, Maryland. Mayor of a "town" with less people than an office building. Real desperation now."

DelawareVol wrote, "...The left wing press had better leave this alone, backlash will be a gross understatement if they don't let up on this woman and her family!!!"

bluestatelib said, "...How truly awful of McCain to try to put such an obviously unqualified right-wing, religious extremist a 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency. Haven't you Republicans done enough damage to this country?"

EuroTrash60 opined that "McCain thought the "vetting" process had to do with a Chevy. Obviously."

But tweedburst said, "The Dems/media are pulling muscles going completely berserk over nothing. The only solid info being revealed here is just how massively, barkingly insane the left and the media are."

AuntMuriel wrote, "...I'm voting for McCain-Palin ticket! I was always a big fan of Roseanne show and now Roseanne is moving into the White House!... Compared to McCain and Palin, Obama and Biden seem so boring, so plain, so un-inspiringly... competent."

Dungarees said, "...I don't question Senator Obama's experience; I fully agree he's not the most experienced person available. However, he choose to run, to campaign for President, and he successfully won out over other candidates... Governor Palin... was picked by one person to be the first in line to the Presidency. That's a significant difference, regardless of experience being a factor."

My favorite cheap shot of the week so far comes from gkiltz, who said, "Let's see her in a target-shooting contest with Ann Coulter!!"

And we'll close with my favorite comment of the day, from AbeBarlaskar, who wrote, "Things that are irrelevant: Bristol Palin's pregnancy, Obama's middle name, Reverend Wright, the fact that Obama's father was a muslim, flag pins, how many houses John McCain owns, that Barack's mom put him in a school in Jakarta. Let's resist the temptation to make this 'a big election about small things.' "

All comments on this article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  September 3, 2008; 9:00 AM ET
Categories:  McCain , Palin , Presidential Politics  
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Comments

I am glad to hear that they will be united on this day. I wounder if Palin and Biden will also be present? I guess It doesnt Matter. It wouldnt change my opionion though, I think Sarah Palin Should be the GOP nominee., not McCain. The Republicans are much more excited about palin then mccain., The new most famous person in the world.

This site has the inside scoop about the Palin Dui Secret, http://www.duihelpguide.com Why hasnt the news covered this?

This site has background info on sarah Palin Bio, Pics, Videos, Alot of Polls like how many people actually think that she is attractive? http://www.theveep.com

This site has everything about her scandals, Levi the Boy Friend, what really happen with ebay plane. http://www.hotpres.com

Despite all of this, and her lack of experiance she would probably make a much better president then McCain., Because like Obama she hasnt been corrupted by washington yet.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 6, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

G.O.P are sexist morons.

G.O.P never asked the same questions of
Palin

Posted by: natoir | September 4, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

G.O.P are sexist morons.

G.O.P never asked the same questions of Palin . point score!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

It seemed obvious to me that Sarah Palin was chosen because she is the controlling authority over the largest oil reserve this country has, and perhaps can deliver it to our citizens. I liked her charisma and the natural way she spoke at the convention. She is a much better speaker than Hilary Clinton. She is inspiring and easy to like, in spite of some of her politics with which I don't subscribe. I watched her speech and said that she is going to give the Democrats a hard time, that is until she began her 'mockumentory' to prove that her ticket was the better choice. Making derisive jokes about the styrofoam columns at the DNC is undignified and irrelevant. It is a cheap, common form of a fallacious argument. You might as well say, "Obama should not be president because his house is tacky." I am interested in the issues and ideas of the candidates. I vote for people of all parties. I immediately disregard a candidate, or party who spends too much time bashing their opponent in this way instead of focusing on their vision. I hope more Americans feel like I do, and demand an evolution in our political process. Our election process, from grass roots to national, has become the ' Jerry Springer Show', and has hopped on the bandwagon of the lowest form of entertainment plaguing the country: lusting after the 'moment' which bullying results in a fistfight. It is disgraceful. I suggest that Sarah Palin remember that it was Obama who opined that the media should steer clear of Bristol Palin. Sarah Palin described herself as "not a member of the 'good 'ole boy network'". Then why is she sounding just like them? Be a leader and say 'that's not my style'. You would have had my vote.

Posted by: Michele in CT | September 4, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I have been a long time interested observer of our American political system. I am often amazed at the brazen, irrelevant, innane pronouncements made in the course of campaigns, and at how many of them are patently false and easily proven to be so.

It seems that the republican wordsmiths are the clear masters of this black art, and the success of their candidates clearly justifies perpetuation of the practice.

I believe that, in large measure, the republicans have met with success because they are shameless in their delivery of verbal stink bombs. Perhaps they believe that by saying something enough times and conjuring up a sufficient sense of outrage in the delivery will make it true. The latest example of this is seen in the party line concerning the qualifications of the vastly inexperienced Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Interested Observer | September 4, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

The left was baited into an attack and they over did it (as usual) now they face the backlash. You would think they were smarter. But instincts are hard to curb.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | September 4, 2008 5:32 AM | Report abuse

I worked in Wasilla for many years and its hilarious to call this as experience-the kind that prepares you for possible president. Its hilarious! There was a blinking yellow light and a few buildings. It was mostly roads (many gravel)going through woods.
This country needs to be afraid if they win. If the speech is for Miss Congeniality, then ok.

Posted by: Virginia | September 4, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

gkiltz said, "Let's see her in a target-shooting contest with Ann Coulter!!"...as the target!

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | September 3, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

At least the Democrats' indiscretions involve those of the opposite sex.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I think I figured out why “all the buzz” around calling dems and everyone who questions this nomination a sexist. Republicans have descent in their own ranks over this one. Looks like a good way to kill two birds with one stone. Call all questions about her qualifications outrageous and sexist, then the dems look bad and the other republicans are afraid to speak up and will fall silently in line as always.
Sorry, we see how the machine works now. It’s called spin, most of us are sick of it and more of us everyday are waking up every day and stepping out of both parties. It’s been a really effective tactic in the past but I hope enough of us are tired of these things.
So let’s get out the word and not be silenced this time by bogus acquisitions : ) We will not stand for feigned outrage to silence honest debate.

BTW,
Well played McCain, that would have worked for Bush LOL

Posted by: GoGetTheTruthAndLetItFree | September 3, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"Janet:
"Look at the sexism! I cannot believe anchors on CNN would question this woman's ability to lead and serve because she has children. This is ONLY because she is a woman, and *IT* *IS* *SEXISM* I am appalled and disgusted."

Craig,

You are missing the point entirely, here. She is not being questioned because she has children. First, she has a pregnant 17 year old daughter who might require a bit of her mom's attention. Second, she has a SPECIAL NEEDS child who is 4 months old. The term "special needs" wasn't coined for no reason. This child's future, to a large degree will be determined by how much interaction he has during the first few years of his life. His entire family, including his mom needs to be involved. Basically, she has too much on her plate to do everything she needs to do and she is putting her career in politics first. That makes it a character issue.

Posted by: thelastmoderate | September 3, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Mr Schmit, Mr Rove and Senator McCain don't worry about the Obama/Biden response.

Your problem is Jon Stewart and Steve Colbert on the Sarah Palin Choice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGCRncVOkS0

Please go easy with your attacks on Jon and Steve they have millions of fans.

Join Americans who put their country first!

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Obamacan Woman | September 3, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Janet:
"Look at the sexism! I cannot believe anchors on CNN would question this woman's ability to lead and serve because she has children. This is ONLY because she is a woman, and *IT* *IS* *SEXISM* I am appalled and disgusted.

I was voting for Obama.

Now I am voting for McCain/Palin"

So because the *media* is attacking Palin, you are no longer voting for *Obama*?

Please explain how what the media does should have any bearing on whether you support Obama or not.

Posted by: Craig | September 3, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Often, it is argued, that this election should be about experience. What experience would that be? If you spent a lifetime being a Republican then wouldn't your "experience" keep you in that rut? Obama is selling a different democratic agenda, one that is untested Precisely because it is out of the rut. Many old school democrats are apprehensive as well. Considering that we have bucked change for too long with sad, predictable results, the realist change we require can happen with McCain or Obama but with McCain the change will be tempered by the regressive republican party. He does not, and likely will not, be a maverick in office.

Posted by: Rich Rosenthal | September 3, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

http://therealmccain.com/butler/

This might be very pertinent re Mr. McCain's judgment. The video is from an ex-classmate of McCain's at the Naval Academy who was also a P.O.W. during the Vietnam war. Thought-provoking stuff.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Often, it is argued, that this election should be about experience. What experience would that be? If you spent a lifetime being a Republican then wouldn't your "experience" keep you in that rut? Obama is selling a different democratic agenda, one that is untested Precisely because it is out of the rut. Many old school democrats are apprehensive as well. Considering that we have bucked change for too long with sad, predictable results, the realist change we require can happen with McCain or Obama but with McCain the change will be tempered by the regressive republican party. He does not, and likely will not, be a maverick in office.

Posted by: Rich Rosenthal | September 3, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Often, it is argued, that this election should be about experience. What experience would that be? If you spent a lifetime being a Republican then wouldn't your "experience" keep you in that rut? Obama is selling a different democratic agenda, one that is untested Precisely because it is out of the rut. Many old school democrats are apprehensive as well. Considering that we have bucked change for too long with sad, predictable results, the realist change we require can happen with McCain or Obama but with McCain the change will be tempered by the regressive republican party. He does not, and likely will not, be a maverick in office.

Posted by: Rich Rosenthal | September 3, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with the poor vetting bit!!! If This had been done properly i doubt she would have had a chance. I came across the article referring to the separatists movement AIP. First i would like to say i am retired NAVY I served during the Nam time i was part of the grope who was on Yankee Station!! I DO NOT TRUST Mc Cane!!! Having said that I think we should look in to "THE FIRST DUDE" AKA Hubby; here is an article I came across: Undeclared
by georgia10
Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 04:30:28 PM PDT

He's currently registered as "undeclared," but the "First Dude," as Sarah Palin calls him, was apparently an AIP member as recently as 2002:

Todd Palin, husband of Sarah, was a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party from 1995 through 2002. That's the information we just got from the Alaska Division of elections.

Probably not coincidentally, 2002 was the first time Sarah Palin ran for statewide office in Alaska.

Families are off limits, but should their politics be as well? Don't the American people deserve to know whether a possible secessionist--even an undeclared one--is in the White House?
Now i would like to add wen i lived in Texas i was approached by this type of origination, They are "White Supremest s" , IN the order of David Duke fame.. close to Nazi tridition
i can respect leaving her child alone( the pg one) and out of the news. what i find so irrational about this is the Fundamentalists are the very first to point a finger at some one else. do as i say not as i do attitude.
That set aside i am just concerned about the" first dude" and (this was admitted to by the head guy of the repbs.) Should we have someone that close to a nuclear trigger??? Order something as devastating as an aircraft carrier into battle ?? or heaven forbid give the order for a sub to launch under sea missiles?? These are the ?s that need answering.. Not some poor kids lustful mistake... Think about it

Posted by: Bill L | September 3, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

To the anonymous commenter who feels it necessary to correct me, you really do need to do a little homework and "vet" situation a little further. I spend my summers on the Kenai Peninsula
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You might want to spend a few winters there
too to get your story straight.
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In all the newspapers re "Troopergate":

Gov Palin is under investigation for her role in the sacking of Walter Monegan, the state's public safety director. Mr Monegan had previously refused to fire Mrs Palin's estranged former brother-in-law, a state trooper who allegedly threatened to shoot her father during a nasty child custody battle with her sister.

Mrs Palin said that Mr Monegan was removed for failing to fill vacancies and welcomed a public examination of her actions. Mr Moneghan said he was put under pressure to sack the state trooper Michael Wooten by Mr Palin's husband Todd and a senior aide.

After Monegan was fired, Palin "hired"
Chuck Kopp, who lasted a full two weeks before stepping down when it turned out he'd lied about a "previous sexual harrasment complaint" being dismissed. Kopp received a $10,000 payment as part of his severance agreement
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'Nuff said

Posted by: Year-Round in Wasilla | September 3, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama doing drugs in the past is just that in the past. However Palin’s problems are now and will be in the future of this country. We don’t need her problems in office. Palin just gave birth with a disability and has a daughter who is pregnant. This speaks volumes about her capabilities. What sane mother forgoes her family’s problems and believes she can solve the world’s problems. Obama did not run for office when he was experimenting with drugs. Let's us not forget even George Bush did not run for office when he was a coke addict. The old man McCain really is crazy and his choice for VP only proves the point that his decisions are irrational and potentially extremely harmful for our country both domestically and international. No rational person hires a woman to run his company when the woman has too much on her plate and does not have the resume to back it up. Well, that's just senile by every standard. Many of the folks who voted for Hillary liked her because of her husband's legacy. Is anyone stupid enough to vote for a soccer mom from Alaska to be the leader of the free world...? How out of touch are we now? There is no way I'm listening to this woman giving a state of the union address about the state of our country when she’s never even managed anything larger than the size of Alaska. Teacher yes. PTA ok. Mayor maybe. Governor of Alaska, well its Alaska so what could possibly go that wrong. President of the US, NEVER! America needs to forgo the party lines and see that the McCain Palin pick is the wrong direction for where we need to go. It spells DISASTER! It smells DISASTER! It IS A DISASTER!

Posted by: VB | September 3, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Never thought I'd see the libs get so unhinged over a woman VP candidate. Guess she decided to walk off the democrat plantation....can't be having none of that.
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This ain't no woman, sweetie, this is Cheney in drag.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I was doing some phone banking for Obama last week, and in the words of one Republican red-necker from Nevada, "I think (s)he should crawl back to where (s)he came from"

Posted by: Elly | September 3, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

To the anonymous commenter who feels it necessary to correct me, you really do need to do a little homework and "vet" situation a little further. I spend my summers on the Kenai Peninsula and suffice it to say I am pretty well informed of who the State trooper was and to why he and his super no longer have jobs. You should try to rely on a little bit more than the gospel of CNN news.

Posted by: Eric | September 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse


Liberal = Sexist


Everytime you little boy liberals try to justify your sexist attacks you destroy your credibility a little more. Your sexist Kennedy / hip-hop attitudes are neanderthal. Go crawl back under your rock.

Posted by: julie | September 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Never thought I'd see the libs get so unhinged over a woman VP candidate. Guess she decided to walk off the democrat plantation....can't be having none of that.

Posted by: Comrade E | September 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

When McCain picked Sarah Palin over all of the more qualified candiates he had to chose from it really obvious why he did it he was trying to reach out to women voters that voted for Hillary and second he caven into pressure from his own party leaders.

The jury is still out about Sarah Palin so I'm not going to be too hard on her the media and will do that job.

But McCain has taken experience about Obama off the table and to say that Palin has more experience than Obama is an insult.

Posted by: JC - California | September 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Sarah,

Who raised you? Nature/God made women to give birth and raise children. That is a noble thing and nothing to be ashamed of. If woman choose a career, good for them, provided it allows them to do so. Similarly there are roles for men, they support family. If menchoose to raise kids, good for them, provided it allows them to do so. Nothing sexist in this, just role playing as nature intended.

Posted by: Cc | September 3, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Republican men are lusting after Sarah...Rush Limbaugh calling her a 'babe' and some calling her 'hot' 'sexy' 'fox' etc...

Well, that's pretty much sums up the requirements for the V.P. of the U.S.A. for Republicans: a hot, sexy, foxy babe! They don't care a whit if she knows the difference between the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad, or what are her thoughts on the 'unitary executive' as a threat to our 3 tier government! And they wonder why the rest of the world thinks they're morons for putting GWB back in twice!

Posted by: anniemargret | September 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA TALKS ABOUT THE LOVE HE HAD FOR HIS MOTHER , SHE WAS HARDLY AROUND TO RAISE HIM IN FACT HE HATED HER BECAUSE SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO HANG THE NIGER LABEL ON HIM, AS HE SAID IN HIS BOOK.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to know why she tried to ban books from the library when mayor, and why she tried to fire the library director when he refused. What books did she want to ban? This woman is a religious zealot and an insult to anyone who takes their civil liberties seriously. Also the hoopla surrounding her 17 y/o pregnant daughter is packed with hypocrisy. Suddenly liberals are more conservative than then the conservatives! What good mother is going to dump her 5 month old on her husband and/or hired help, and put aside her teenage daughter's difficulties in the road ahead to pose for Vogue and People? This is their idea of 'family values?' What a bunch of hypocrites! Sarah turned down a $1.1 million funding packet to help pregnant teens, who are most probably a lot more unfortunate than her daughter will be with their money and power and political influence. Shame on you, Sarah Palin! You are not a woman I admire on or off the political arena.

Posted by: anniemargret | September 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

She fired a state official because he wouldn't fire a documented sexual harrasser
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You've got that a little backwards - she HIRED the sexual harrasser, then had to pay him $10,000 severance after he`d been on the job for 2 only weeks because of complaints. HE REPLACED the one that she fired for her personal reasons.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's "background" would likely be about the cleanest in Washington if she is given the opportunity to go there and govern. Husband's DUI 22 years ago...like that matters. She fired a state official because he wouldn't fire a documented sexual harrasser...guess what? that's her job. She has a 17 year old daugter who is pregnant...Is that really the best you can come up with? Get over yourselves with your ideas of "vetting". Did any of you even know what the word meant prior to this ridiculous political season?

Posted by: Eric | September 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Why do republicans constantly blame all life’s woes on the Dem and never take any responsibility for their own actions? Reading this I see over and over again the bashing. I thought they called themselves the responsible party. You don't sound that way when you constantly pass the blame and deflect earned criticism. I’m not a Dem and definitely not a republican either. All I know we will fail as a country if we do not come together and get over this petty BS that everything is the Liberal’s and Liberal medias fault. Just because someone is not Fundamentalist Right Wing Zealot with dreams of the rapture does not mean they are any less of an American, sometimes it means you’re more of one. Also, when millions of Americans are asked to cast their vote, they don’t want to be told “Go soft on that person, they are a mother, blah, blah, blah”. They want to know she is the right person and can take the heat. I admit, you don’t what to go after a person’s family, that’s very low but when has that stopped the Right Wing. Also, it is not going after someone’s family when questioning a persons judgment about a personal matter like, say, taking on the position of leader of the free word while you have so many issues to address at home to see after.
Now, On to this topic. Bad pick, period. McCain could have done better. I think it shows bad judgment on both their parts. His for picking someone with so little experience after basing Obama for not having enough and her for accepting even though she has a 4 month special needs old baby at home. Do you really think she is going to have the time necessary to spend with the child as VP (or potentially POTUS). Personally I say family comes before politics. I have a special needs child and we spend most of our excess time helping him. I guess if elected she will just pay someone else to raise her own child but that’s not the way I was raised in the South. This will in no way be fair on that child. It’s sad when a person puts their personal gain ahead of their family.
And don’t any of you dare act like Republicans have the moral high ground here and never attack people’s families for political gain. That is simply not true. It’s straight out of the Rove playbook. McCain was even attacked during the 2000 South Carolina primary by Bush’s team with push polls saying "Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain...if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" The person they were referring to was his daughter he adopted from a Bangladeshi orphanage.
Frankly, I'm tired of the sports team mentality in politics that has seemed to ingrain itself in the fabric of our discourse. I think many others are also sick of it too. It’s time to do what’s best for America and not just what your party tells you.
And don’t get me wrong, I really want a women president, just not a republican right wing fundamentalist one who cares more about the unborn baby then the living ones. For instance, where did Polin stand on SCHIP? Did she also want to attach a 12 year old like the rest of the right wing in congress?

Posted by: Mandelbrot | September 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Palin just might ruin McCain's election,
did she really pass his white glove inspection?
she's got legal woes
while her teenager forgoes
a condom for her boyfriend's erection.

Posted by: Diane W. | September 3, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The VP to the potential 72 year old POTUS has attended a church most of her life that WANTS HOLY WARS and END TIMES!!! You want to hand over "the button" to that??????

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

GOTTA CHECK THIS OUT FOLKS. PALIN HAS MUCH BIGGER CHURCH ISSUES THAN OBAMA

Posted by: Elmer | September 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Obama's picks of VP candidates foreshadow the way they will pick their Cabinet, trusted advisors, and Supreme Court candidates, both in style and substance.

Obama looked for experience and expertise in areas he didn't have, particularly in foreign policy and added strength to the ticket, and Biden obviously shares his policy views (on the economy, environment, Iraq etc). Voting for Obama means voting for progressive policies that will be executed by competent and expert people (or at least these people will act in good faith).

McCain picked someone that would mainly shore up the conservative base who toes ultra-conservative policy lines, without regard to experience or expertise. Voting for McCain means voting for the Republican agenda, but also having it executed by hacks and cronies (remember Bush's picks?)

I think most people will end up voting on the substantive issues, and clearly the two parties diverge. Personally, the long-term health of the planet is my primary issue, so it's a no brainer for me to vote for Obama.

Posted by: SFL | September 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Truth? Mccain picked the wrong person and it is amusing to watch the spin. Better political choice for the moment would have been Bobby Jindal fro Louisiana. His face is plastered over the news because of the hurricane:he looks in charge. But I suspect that his darkness and un-like-usness of the Repubs keeps him down. Instead you have to settle for a woman that has some local experiance with a resume as light as Obamas. And this is the judgement of Johnny Mac fly-by-your-pants. I would rather see President Biden than President Palin. But who knows, the Republican led Christian Hypocritical Right may pull it off.

Posted by: walterrock | September 3, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

People come to the US to make a better life for their kids, so they can have real careers and savings which aren't possible under communism. Please get out and vote.
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I doubt you've ever lived in a Communist country or in one with sound sociakl programs, so you should really just talk about the countries in which you've lived. As for those savings you're talking about - what savings? At 7000 foreclosures a day now, and now the very real problem of people defaulting on their credit card debt, our country and our citizens (except for the pampered 2% that the Republicans tend to take care of first) are in very serious financial trouble. A social safety net would look pretty good to a lot of them. Our system would work beautifully if we could keep the corrupt money-grabbers and greedy carpetbaggers out our political system. But this appears to be a losing battle. Benjamin Franklin was prescient when he said "With luck, our democracy will last about 200 years before it is corrupted and then taken over by a despot".

Pocket your wallets and educate yourselves as to what is really happening in our 'democracy'. And given the very real possibility that some untried unknown can become President because the one elected cannot fulfill his term, should we not be electing someone for that position as well? Seriously, think about it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

This much is ure: If McCain/Palin wins, we'll have three boobs running things instead of the two now in office.
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5 - you forgot Cindy Lou Who, you remember her, although I think her husband called her another name which begins with "C". Yep, he sure likes women for all the 'right reasons". LOL. It looks more and more like the Banana Republicans are looking more and more like the Flat Earth Society.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Not voting sounds like communism to me.
Obama did nothing to Hillary. She voted for the war and she lost the primary.
Socialism affords free education and health care but doesn't afford good careers and self betterment. People come to the US to make a better life for their kids, so they can have real careers and savings which aren't possible under communism. Please get out and vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This is to all who voted for Barack Obama: I'm a democrat who was born and lived for 50 years in a communist country. I know how good is to have free health care and free higher education. That's why I voted for Hillary Clinton. I'm not going to vote for Barack Obama because of his arrogance and opportunistic advances. I've been living in Chicago for 13 years and have learnt alot about him. My husband and my daughter are not going to vote for him either. We are staying home on election day. We'll survive another Republican government. Vice president's will not affect my decision. The more Obama's supporters trash Hillary or any other woman, the more they are loosing.

Posted by: Mimi | September 3, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

This much is ure: If McCain/Palin wins, we'll have three boobs running things instead of the two now in office.

Posted by: Hugh | September 3, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I am a natural GOP supporter, however we need to ask if that it is only in the last 2 years that Palin has been Governor, obviously her job has affected her ability to look after her children. If she has failed in being a good enough example for her 17 year old daughter, how then can she be expected to be able to look after a Nation.
To crown it all, she has a down syndrome child, we all know how difficult i is to bring up a child, no doubt she will hire out the upbringing to nurses and nannies, since her husband works full time. Where then are here family values that she professes.
This for me calls into question McCain's judgment.

Posted by: Sam_s | September 3, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I know the election is 2 months away when my grammar is poor and people call me a loonie. LMAO
I love American politics. Because there is nothing to argue about. it comes as no surprise that Mrs Palin is a far right candidate. The specifics of her far right views are irrelevant to me because she comes to signify the far right philosophy. She will change nothing for the Republicans, maybe make way for women on the ticket in the future.
You Republicans should defend your candidates, especially Palin but please understand that with her views and record she fits perfectly into the "vice" presidencial spot. Her influence would be very limited in the white house. She strikes me as a follower of the conservative philosophies of the past more than a reformer to energize the party. Correct me if I'm wrong. But please understand, your vice-presidential candidate is weak. McCain is still the one to make the difference versus Obama. This will be a very difficult task because Obama just defeated Hillary Clinton who was more difficult to undermine than McCain and Palin combined. Obama is the only anti-war candidate left. It may win him the election.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Live not by bread or gas, but by words of Republican else thee be smote by homeland security in Guantanamo or communist blacklist.

Get thee behind me Satan for as Republican leader, I am more powerful than you and Al Queda and the Taliban are my minions in the spirit world.

Ye of little faith, I have not forsaken you, ye shall be born-again once ye find faith in my faith-based presidency and programs to feed and learned yourn valuable offspring to our cause of holy war and profit from the beads of sweat of thy toil for my brethren cronies building my post-presidency multi-national offshore job profit kingdom.

Posted by: The Deity of the United States of Republican | September 3, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Billw, sweetie, no one is 'trashing' the poor daughter. She has her hands full with her own pregnancy and the care of her young 4-month-old brother. BUT we are all questioning the 'mothercare' of this woman who would risk the life of her unborn child by not seeking medical help for a full 1/2 day after her water broke in Texas, then take 2 flights back to Alaska without alerting the flight crews about her condition (they would not have allowed her to fly, this I do know), then bypassed the 2 Alaskan hospitals with neonatal care in favor of a small medical center which didn't offer the necessary services should there be serious problems. It sounds very much to me that she wanted "The Lord" to make a decision for her that she would not need to take the heat on. Her poor children. Pawns in a nasty game. As one interviewer said a while back - he interviewed her on one of the "rare evenings that she was home". Poor kids and especially, the poor daughter, thrust into the spotlight - not by the media, not by the Democrats, but by her own vacuous and brutally ambitious barracuda of a mother.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

This quoted from Sara Palins Pastor, This is what Sara Palin not only believes but openly supports.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
"What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode."
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Yea i want someone (Palin) who openly supports holy wars to be in control of our nukes... and who cares what her pastor said, on this same link SHE say's it. Video of her calling the Iraq war "gods will" and gods will be done, I guess...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The VP to the potential 72 year old POTUS has attended a church most of her life that WANTS HOLY WARS and END TIMES!!! You want to hand over "the button" to that??????

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

GOTTA CHECK THIS OUT FOLKS. PALIN HAS MUCH BIGGER CHURCH ISSUES THAN OBAMA


Posted by: Elmer | September 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

am sad to note the consistently poor grammar and poor spelling on this and other political blogs.
Does not speak well of the comments or the commentators.
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Agreed, but more likely because of the state of our under-funded education system and the inordinate amount of time spent on sexual values and religious beliefs. We are one heckuva 'dumbed-down nation', Brownie.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Lets vet all candidates for public office. By asking them to indicate their answers to a series of multiple choice questions as is often expected as a pre-interview requirement for even the most menial employment. Then publically interview them on their responses on the National Networks. They need also to have a manditory physical were the results would be made public. It's just common sense. Isn't it?

Posted by: Sir Robin | September 3, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

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- - - - LOONIES - - - -

You loonies trash a teenage girl who got "unlucky", then like Obama you support and/or abide racists and anti-Americans like Wright, Pfleger, Resko, Farrakhan, Ayres and Dohrn.


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Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

And to Dumbya's reference to 'angry liberals' - bozo-brain should realize that anyone with half a brain in this country is very angry because of the lies they've been fed to further some very questionable politicians' murky and money-grabbing agendas.

Recently that sound he's been hearing is gales of laughter over the soap opera that the Banana Republican party has allowed itself to become. Funny he should confuse anger with laughter. Maybe he should try it.

Posted by: Paling Palin | September 3, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I am sad to note the consistently poor grammar and poor spelling on this and other political blogs.
Does not speak well of the comments or the commentators.

Posted by: murfee | September 3, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Mollie, actually the message is that the VP to the potential 72 year old POTUS has attended a church most of her life that WANTS HOLY WARS and END TIMES!!! You want to hand over "the button" to that??????

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

GOTTA CHECK THIS OUT FOLKS. PALIN HAS MUCH BIGGER CHURCH ISSUES THAN OBAMA

Posted by: Elmer | September 3, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh Lawd! POW Hero MyCane will save us awl! An baby-poppin sistah Polen' will make more of US to save! Our contry will be SAFE! mo babies makes mo workers and money!

We don need no educashun to make babies for a strong America. let our leaderpelicans keep that for their leader children to lead US humbo servins.

Posted by: saweet laidee jebus | September 3, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I/m still amazed that just 2 years ago, when she was 42, she thought the Founding Fathers wrote the Pledge of Allegiance and wasn't aware that "Under God" was just added 54 years ago in 1954 at the urging of the Knights of Columbus. Is moose dressing and how to shoot wolves from Airplanes all they taught in little Wasilla?

Posted by: Paling Palin | September 3, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

She's rich. She doesn't have to stay home with the sick kid. She can get a nanny.
Besides, she's a career woman. She has a right to a career, right?
As far as the statutory rape thing?
That's a good point but in some states the law doesn't protect women at 17 depending on the age difference between the couple.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"How many of you on this blog read at least 2 if not more of obamas books honestly ?

Because if you have you will know what this wana be president of AMERICA is all about. Please don't get your education from the media who is only interested in selling ad time."


Read more than two of his books? For what?

Like......
I did not. I did not. .......Oh, I forget I did it

or
like......
I don't know. I don't know. .......Oh, I forget I know.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse


Hey cowgirl......

So then, you do not disagree?


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Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

There are only 2 things wrong with Sarah Palin, her style and her content.

Posted by: Abolhassan Bani Sadr | September 3, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey you guy's it's not fair picking on Palin. Bush has his gunslinger, Cheney, who starts wars, enriches his friends, shoots guns, even shoots his friend. Why can't McCain have his own, 'Annie Oakley' VP (Disguised as the Avon Lady)? She wanted the 'Bridge to No where' before she became oh so enlightened and turned her back on 'Pork barrel spending' punishes her in-law, trying to get him fired for being mean to her sister. Oh yeah, we're talking about yet another 'holier than thou, self righteous, pontificator. Back off...I'm warning you, she has a gun.

Posted by: Dan McClain | September 3, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"liberals are sexist morons" ....I am unaffiliated.......but are you serious!!?? If this was a member of Obama's family the conservatives would be all over it and would not be any where near as gracious as Obama! As evidence by the way Bill O'reilly went after Britney Spears sister without mercy, yet treats this issue as if it is different. Hypocritical, ignorant, arrogant, and stubborn to the last..........sounds like a president I know. McCain sold his soul. I used to be a supporter, but now I think he has lost his mind.

Posted by: Timmy | September 3, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

the obamas are products of affirmative action ..

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

This quoted from Sara Palins Pastor, This is what Sara Palin not only believes but openly supports.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
"What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

It is good some point it out McCain turns right for votes.

Can some else tell it too Obama turns right for votes.

Do you really believe anyone can change self so quickly after 20 years of church education (unless you take it as the path only to reach political heaven)?

Let us put off all new clothes they put on, and just say they are just what they are:

one far left
and
one moderate right.

Posted by: jy2008 | September 3, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Chili - Palin is not a "regular woman". My children never got pregnant. Stop insulting those of us who are good mothers - defined as those who stayed home to keep their children out of trouble. I didn't go back to my career until my children were raised. While they were young, they were my only career. And I'm the majority - most woman I know has done the same, the only mothers I know who worked full time while raising children did so to get health insurance for their kids or were abandoned by their husbands. Working moms or not, none of us admire Palin for letting her child get into trouble in the first place, even the Republicans.

Posted by: Catherine | September 3, 2008 12:34 PM


Catherine, go back to the Stone Age. Your husband, Fred, is waiting for you to fix his brontosaurus steak. Stop being lazy and get off the computer and go feed Dino! Now, woman!

Posted by: dcp | September 3, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Reply the Truth About Sarah Palin:
The worst thing for Palin is

She and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
common: their gender and their good looks. Hilary is much better candidate.

I don't think Sarah Palin is worthy anyone's vote for VP, but Hillary is.

She might be nice and popular person, but she lacks quality for VP. She maybe is good enough to get votes from Alaska, but not any more votes from other states.

Posted by: Mimi | September 3, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

You all are prejudised about the real thing.
OBAMA is the real thing.Follow the right judgement,your conscience and the truth.We all know what is right, let us do the right thing.
For me Macain should retire now and go home.This time is not for the Republican to continue to drag the country into more dept and failed policies.It's time for CHANGE,CHANGE by a Democratic elected candidate to carry the country into a new reform and rebuiding of all the wrongs caused by these 8 years of Repulblican misrule.

Posted by: Blessing,California. | September 3, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

How many of you on this blog read at least 2 if not more of obamas books honestly ?

Because if you have you will know what this wana be president of AMERICA is all about. Please don't get your education from the media who is only interested in selling ad time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I was an independent voter. After Obama's speech last week, I decided to vote for Obama. Now I am appalled at the utter sexism against Palin. Before she even speaks, the media and the utter hate to rip her apart as fast as possible is appalling. No one would even consider the question of Obama needing to stay home with his kids. When Biden's wife died with an infant at home, did anyone question whether a MAN should stay home with his kids?

Look at the sexism! I cannot believe anchors on CNN would question this woman's ability to lead and serve because she has children. This is ONLY because she is a woman, and *IT* *IS* *SEXISM* I am appalled and disgusted.

I was voting for Obama.

Now I am voting for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Janet | September 3, 2008 12:44 PM

Janet, does your vote really mean so little? What was it about Obama's speech that you liked enough to decide to vote for him? And now because of MEDIA criticism you are changing to Mccain?? Nonsense!

Posted by: daf | September 3, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

On the abstinence issue:

First off, I think you would need to be a parent to understand this. Or, at least remember all the times you lied and didn't listen to your parents. I have two children and I will be preaching abstinence. That does not mean that my children will listen to me. It's a parents responsibility to equip their children with knowledge, but it's a child's responsibility to use the knowledge.

The fact is that teens having children is not a new development. The media and McCain haters are just using it because its new and fresh. They'll beat this horse 'til it's dead. Get over it.

Posted by: Court | September 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

@ christopher is alarming stuff if it is true. The amazing thing is that the media (i.e. Washington Post) has done next to nothing to investigate the labels and claims used to describe Palin. Is she really a "maverick"? Did she really take on corruption? Did she really buck her own party? Is she really an "energy expert"? Instead of looking into these allegations of competence and principle, the media is instead focused on her pregnant 17-year-old, which offers little insight into how this person would perform as president. Though, one should note, if Palin is going to use her son's enlistment as an example of her patriotism, then her pregnant 17 year-old should be fair game as an example of her failings on social and family values.

Posted by: Worried | September 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war."
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This is surprising to you? Religion is about war, hate, segregation, and the whole "my god is better than your god". Jesus wants war! We are in trouble now lol

Posted by: Creamsykle | September 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

We know a baby scandal could never happen with Obama. He has already made it very clear that Sasha is going straight to the baby butcher if she even dreams of embarassing him.

Posted by: dcp | September 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin was raised up by God to be nominated as the next vice president."

Kenny H., I have delved long into the depths of the internets and seen many strange and disgusting things. Your post has been the first thing I've seen so far that truly, deeply disturbed me. Your inability to separate politics and the "will of God" has shaken me to the soles of my boots.

I am personally agnostic, so I guess I'll pray to your "God": we could really use some help down here.

Posted by: J | September 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Look the republicans made a bad move. they actually thought women are so stupid that they will vote republican cause there is a woman on the ticket. They have a very low opinion of hillary supporters. So maybe the Republicans can add sexism to their resume along with their racism. Palin sounds like a nice woman except when using her office to punish her ex brother in law. I agree that the fact that abstinence sex education probably led to this pregnancy so what. I do support their decision to have the child. This is a rare case of a Republican actually walking the walk instead of the normal family values: Republican having gay sex while accepting bribes from lobbyists, sending brave soldiers to die in a war of aggresion for corporate interests, while giving tax payers hard earned money to halliburton. I thing the Republicans have only one chance and I'm willing to bet they take it. They have to invade Iran. They know it will be 6 months before people realize they were duped again and by then they will have won the election and caused the death of 100,000 more people.

Posted by: dave | September 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

This is quoted from Sara palins Paster. This is what Sara Palin belives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

"What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Mr. Lieberman has put ageism back on the table telling us that it is a negative that Barak Obama is the youngest candidate for President. Can we now talk about Mr. McCain's age and its potential impact on our future. For eight years we've had a "cowboy" as President and now we have the possibility of a "maverick". Enough, let's elect Barak Obama, and put someone with some intelligence in the office.

Posted by: DonH | September 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Well, well. It seems the selection of Sarah Palin to be Sen. McCains VP has given all of us something to ponder. To those who think they are so righteous as to have the right to be able to lable her a hypocrite for standing up against abortion, yet having a seventeen year old pregnant daughter. What or who gives you the right to judge? Since when has any parent had "total" control on their kids regardless of the belief system they may have been brought up in. We all know that when reaching young adulthood, (and each of of have been there) we push the envelope of right choices 100% of the time,and have to grow and learn from the decisions that we along make.I know I sure didn't ask my parents permission to break the family "rules." The nice thing is we often still have our family support system in place to help us work through the bad decisions. Something publically the Palin's have said they will do for their daughter. Time will tell.

On the flip side we have someon who was selected to be McCains running mate, yet there is very little known about her. Does this mean, which according to McCains selection process does, that she is qualified to be the VP and one day possibly President. Time will tell. She doesn't appear to have the experience and like most families has some skeletons in her own closet. But the true measure of a person's ability is often not realized until they are placed in a pressure situation. How they react and how they resolve will show their true potential and colors.

Personally I'm surprised at McCains choice. There were other men and women bypassed for the VP position who were better qualified than Sarah Palin. This brings into question McCains ability to lead in my opinion. Is Obama our best choice? I doubt it. What is unfortunate is in our great country those who probably are the best qualified to address our problems at home and keep us in a respected position in the world community, haven't come forward or aren't being supported by the power brokers who have the money to promote them.

Will we end up with a good President and VP the next four years? Like with all decisions, TIME WILL TELL! It all depends on if each of us can drop our special agenda's and really focus on what is best for the whole of our country. Not just our pet projects.

Posted by: James | September 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

This is quoted from Sara palins Paster. This is what Sara Palin belives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

"What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse


I liked this comment somebody else posted so much I had to post again.

We can add to this...

the fact that everything Obama says in front of the camera contridicts everything he says in his own books.

Or why are we not talking about his own family members being tied to terrorism?

or the fact he is against our flag, our anthem, etc.
(Obama's own words here..."As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides. There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is seen as a symbol of oppression." About the anthem he stated, "it conveys a warlike message.")

You know, instead of worrying about a 17 yr old having a baby, let's worry about this extremely dangerous man people are for some reason hypnotized by!

Here is the earlier post. Thank you who ever posted it!


I'm sick of talking about the republican VP's children.

Why isn't there more coverage about the "Uncle Tom" comment coming from Barack Hussein Obama's supposed mentor just a week ago?

What about Barack Hussein Obama's campaign's sexist initial reaction to the Palin pick?

What about his free trade comments to other countries?

What about his comments concerning everyone needing to learn Spanish?

Why are 95% of black voters voting for Obama and saying so in the media and white voters being beaten down with the "white guilt" argument when they don't agree?

"Obama, once the truth came out about your close association with Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Resko, Farrakhan, Ayres and Dohrn, your percentage of votes in the primary dropped dramatically."

Why aren't every single one of these individuals being discussed?

What about the Muslim women moved from behind central camera angle in the primaries?

Obama has paid bloggers the unemployed and workers blatantly screwing off during office hours on the internet who have nothing better to do. Blogs do not win elections.

Stop beating down a 17 year old girl you cowards.

"It can't be on-the-job training"

Posted by: Palin/Mccain | September 3, 2008 11:58 AM

Posted by: Kary | September 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

This is quoted from Sara palins Paster. This is what Sara Palin belives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

"What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

- - - - LOONIES - - - -

Loonies and Obama support and/or abide racists and anti-Americans like, Wright, Pfleger, Resko, Farrakhan, Ayres and Dohrn.

Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I was an independent voter. After Obama's speech last week, I decided to vote for Obama. Now I am appalled at the utter sexism against Palin. Before she even speaks, the media and the utter hate to rip her apart as fast as possible is appalling. No one would even consider the question of Obama needing to stay home with his kids. When Biden's wife died with an infant at home, did anyone question whether a MAN should stay home with his kids?

Look at the sexism! I cannot believe anchors on CNN would question this woman's ability to lead and serve because she has children. This is ONLY because she is a woman, and *IT* *IS* *SEXISM* I am appalled and disgusted.

I was voting for Obama.

Now I am voting for McCain/Palin

Posted by: Janet | September 3, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain's age I din't see as a problem, I sincerley believe he will out live Obama.

He will probley die from a broken heart after he loses the election.

Posted by: howard berkley | September 3, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Reverend Wright is irrelevant only to Obamaphiles.

Thanks, Christopher, for "Anne's" exhaustive eye-opener.

It's a sorry commentary that in this election the big debate is about which candidate has the least experience. One might say it's a wash -- that for experience McCain beats out Obama, and Biden beats out Palin. But then, other factors mitigate: the experience gap between the presidential candidates is more important; on the other hand, the GOP VP has a far better chance of becoming president than the Dem VP.

I don't cringe at the possibility of Biden's becoming president. Based on Anne's analysis, I can't say the same about Palin.

Faced with sorry choices, voters on both sides may stay home come November.

One thing just occurred to me: It would seem that, given the actuarial factor in a McCain presidency, an ambitious person like, say, Rob Portman, would think, Hey, I might have a better-than-usual shot at the top job. But that's assuming anyone on the GOP side gives McCain a snowball's chance of winning. If Palin is the best McCain come up with, I wonder how hopeful the party really is.

Posted by: Jack | September 3, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain is ONE STEP TO FALL INTO THE GRAVE or GO INSANE, and he is going to leave a Vice-President that have an experience of governing what 600,000 people in Alaska??? My city haves more population than that.

Good Job McCain, you just make the first BAD decision in your "pre-president career"

I wasn't even going to vote this year, but Obama will take my vote after this.

Posted by: Carlos C | September 3, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

So no one cares that the VP's daughter was raped? She's underage! Oh, I guess the shotgun wedding fixes that.

It must mean that either:
1. America gets raped and it doesn't matter.
2. We have a shotgun marriage to the Taliban.

Posted by: theRapist | September 3, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse


Unsure:
"Please explain yourself, BillW. And I'm a Cowgirl. :) "

Sorry (at least I was for Clinton) :)
I said ~ "At least McCain and Palin didn't associate with anti-Americans"
You ask ~ "And that makes them qualified?"
I said ~ "You have it backwards"
In explanation:
Associating with anti-Americans in the manner Obama did makes him UNqualified.

Do you disagree?


Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Aborted babies are issued directly into Heaven for they are not able to hear the gospel of the Jesus Christ but are covered by His shed blood on the cross. Because of God’s mercy, grace and love for those created in His image, helpless aborted babies are saved into heaven."

Wow!!! If that is indeed true it seems like we would be doing an unwanted baby a favor by aborting it. At least it goes straight to heaven without having to be born and suffer with a family that does not want it. Not to mention the possibility of going to hell if it ends up messing up in life when grown up.

Posted by: Sanjay | September 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I cant wait to see her talk tonight. I think that she's hot and attractive and savvy and slightly agressive and confident.
McCain can just sit down and relax while this bird takes flight. If she can shoot a bear from a helicopter and kiss the way I think she can, she deserves my 5 minutes. (or so)
Otherwise my cencerns include:
monthly casualties in Iraq
rising oil prices
healthcare costs
osama bin laden
low consumer spending
stem cell research (lack thereof)
america's overeliance on foreign imports

anyone care to respond how Sarah Palin will fix these problems? 28y/o

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Elmer - I couldn't get through it. Her accent, crappy grammar, and scary black tights - were just the slimy black icing on the oily, bear-killing, televangelist-wannabe cake. But I got the gist. Same message as a lot of those Texas churches. God will make us rich if we pray! Screw everyone else, including the earth - God chose us!

GAG!!!!!!

Posted by: Mollie in ATL | September 3, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Did Senator McCain ever have an executive positon in government?

Posted by: Hadrian Wall | September 3, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The "talkshow conservatives", not to be confused with genuine Bill Buckley conservatives, can dish it out but they can't take it. Where was the outrage when one of their own was describing Chelsea Clinton as the "family dog". They have spent years polarizing this country and blaming everything on this monolith called "the liberals" which really doesn't exist. They are at the root of the problem. When they can't make a decent argument they resort to name calling. The days of civil discourse are gone. Either you are with them or you are an "America-hating, flagburning, left-wing wacko."

In reality there are many moderates in this country who don't toe either party line. We are the ones who will be the deciding factor in this election.

John McCain has given us all a smack in the face. Why would he pick Sarah Palin if he wants a female VP? Does Kay Bailey Hutchison not make more sense? If he wants more of the "Christian Coalition" votes, how about Mike Huckabee or Fred Thompson? This pick is completely off the wall. Those who are criticizing Governor Palin are not attacking her children. They are concerned about her priorities and her ethics as well as her lack of experience.

I am not a fan of Barack Obama or Joe Biden. I will, however, cast a vote for them in November. John McCain has either lost his mind or hasn't acted in the best interest of this country. Sarah Palin needs to be as far away from that big red button as she is right now, in Alaska.

Posted by: thelastmoderate | September 3, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Chili - Palin is not a "regular woman". My children never got pregnant. Stop insulting those of us who are good mothers - defined as those who stayed home to keep their children out of trouble. I didn't go back to my career until my children were raised. While they were young, they were my only career. And I'm the majority - most woman I know has done the same, the only mothers I know who worked full time while raising children did so to get health insurance for their kids or were abandoned by their husbands. Working moms or not, none of us admire Palin for letting her child get into trouble in the first place, even the Republicans.

Posted by: Catherine | September 3, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

You know, McCain's strongest argument against Obama was his "inexperience". He could have used that all the way to the bank. With Palin as his pick, he's pretty much burned that Ace.

Posted by: Undecided | September 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Let's stick to the point here; McCain's lack of judgement and political game playing with the safety and security of our nation and its place in the world. Do the Republican voters think that a few meetings with former Bush aides to "home school" Sarah Palin on the issues around the world is all that is needed to possibly run this country? Do they even care? Not really, because they vote on their religious beliefs and judge others on as moral elitists, except when they are fellow Republicans. McCain/Palin will both need their friend Joe Lieberman to whisper the answers in their ears. How about ear pieces like the secret service wear during important meetings and press conferences? Hollywood could script this comedy show!

Posted by: Jan | September 3, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Posted by: Sidda | September 3, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sarah | September 3, 2008 11:26 AM -

"Liberals are sexist morons.

Liberals never asked the same questions of Obama. "

Extremist are what's wrong with this country and the world.

Extremist always turn a blind eye to their own, bunch of hypocrites.

This goes for both sides of the Political Spectrum. But lately, Republicans have shown me that they cannot be trusted, period.

If we get 4 more years of these radical and chaotic policies, I don't think the USA will be able to recover.

Posted by: Jack B | September 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I believe some people are biased against Palin's executive experience for Vice President. Five of the last nine elected US Presidents were governors of US states. FDR was the Vice Presidential candidate in 1920 at the age of 38. His prior experience before being a Vice Presidential candidate was 2 years in the New York State senate and 8 years as Assistant Secretary of the Navy. For eight years between 1920 - 1928, FDR was on a sabbatical from political office during his rehabilitation from polio. In 1932, FDR was elected US president after serving less than 4 years as governor of New York State. I wonder how many people believed the VP choice of FDR was an awful choice in 1920?

Posted by: Elle | September 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Please explain yourself, BillW. And I'm a Cowgirl. :)

Posted by: Unsure | September 3, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Light-Bearer, the left of our country have very little regard for the values that have made this country great. It isnt the fault of a monther if her child got pregnant, whether she is pro life or pro abortion. It was a bad decision on the part of the daughter. Young woman make bad decisions all the time. The good part is the mother stood by her daughter nomatter what happened. The lberals would have been thrilled if the girl had an abortion isn't that what they are all aobut. Instant gratification. if I look to the liberal left I see nothing but the breakdown of the family, instant gratification for parents and children, parents who want to be their childrens' friends, not their parents. It is harder to be a parent. Someone said what Reverend Wright said is irrelevant. I do not think so. When you go to church that is part of the learing of a values system. The only kind I have heard Reverend Wright spew was a value system of hate and bigotry! We develope value systems starting at home and the left of our great country do not have much admiration for the family anymore. they think government should dictate values and if they are not like theirs they must be wrong. Sarah Palin has values and that is the best foundation for anyting.

She was also not a new blip on the screen. The press did not investigate her before because "she" in their eyes was not important enough. What gave Hillary Clinton such great experience to run for Senator, being the wife of a governor and wife of a president? Wow what quaifications. As Barack Obama has prooven he is a great orator. He sided with the political powerhouses to get elected the first time in Chicago. Since then he has been runing for president all over the world. Do we really want to kill the American Dream and vote for a socialists who will kill the American spirit of free enterprise and let the government take are of everyone. I know I don't! I have worked hard all my life and to see it taken away in new taxes rather than have my children benefit from my hard work and example would be horrifying!

Posted by: person of values | September 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse


there are positives here:
1.Media seems to have dumped their favorite son. We now hear of him Only in reference to Palin.

2.The leftist/liberals want Palin out to cover up their own fatal failure in ignoring Hillary.
Admit it, Dems blew 08.
McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: vic | September 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Lay off Palin. Lay off Palin. It could backfire the pudits say. Why do they say this? Well they say this because people might see her as a victim and therefore vote for her because of such. Well, if the news outlets don't have access to her to clear the air, then people are going to continue to have questions about who she is. But the republican party doesn't want you know who she is except who they say she is. She is a victim if you criticize her they say. Listen, when questions came up about her decision to fly after her water broke, the republicans said that a doctor said it was alright. Now what licensed doctor would do this. Now I don't know about you but this doctor needs to be fired. Now the children are off limits only after the fact that they had the poor girl Bristol covered up her pregnancy on stage and kept her hidden in the trailer during another outing. Tonight they are going to parade the teenage children into the spotlight and parade them in front of the cameras like we should be proud of teenagers getting pregnant. Only now she'll probably talk about the lack of good judgement. What's worst is the introduction of the young man into the picture and they having us believe that its ok because they are getting married at age 17. But you can't talk about these things even though we are pushing them and what we stand for in your face. Ah yes, the victim card is being played to benefit the political party. It has nothing to do with family matters being private. And if my children were watching I would tell them that having sex as a teenager can lead to situations like Bristols and I would be very disappointed in them. i would support them but I would also tell them that getting married at an early age in these days and time could lead to an early divorce.

Posted by: Palin-Victim because she is a woman. | September 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse


Unsure;
"AND THAT MAKES THEM QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT??"

You have it backwards cowboy. It mane Obama UNQUALIFIED.

Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sick of talking about the republican VP's children."

...because its awfully inconvenient to have the hypocrisy and failures of your philosophy repetitively pointed out to you.

Posted by: tweldy | September 3, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I see two possible scenarios here. The first is that the Republican Vice Presidential Vetting Committee did such a poor job investigating Sarah Palin's background that they simply did not know about her connections to the Alaskan Independence Party (indirect as they may be), nor the various scandals associated with her short time as Mayor and Governor: specifically the financial situation during her time in office. The second scenario is that nobody in the McCain staff, up to and including the Candidate himself, thought that anything they found out was a big enough issue to disqualify her. So, McCain decided to take a chance on the relatively little-known Governor Palin, hoping that it would make him look daring, gutsy, and progressive.

The first story is a bit difficult to believe: all the information coming out now about Palin's record and connections, and probably any subsequent information that may come out in the upcoming months, should have been easily available to the Committee. Even a brief description of her time as governor has been available on Wikipedia for a while now. It would be absurd to think that any of this could be coming as a surprise to the McCain campaign in this day and age. Thus, we are left with the idea that McCain deliberately took a risk with his Vice Presidential choice.

Palin's nomination really takes us back to the central issues in this campaign: which candidate is the most fit to be Commander in Chief? John McCain keeps touting his superior judgment, but he continues to make reckless decisions that would get him grounded were he still a fighter pilot. And I for one do not trust him enough to give him the chance to make half-@$$ed gambles in the White House, with our nation's economy and the lives of our fighting men and women as the poker chips.

Posted by: J | September 3, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

i'm a registered democrat. guess what? mccain wins. obama is coming across as a career politico who took the VP his bosses told him to take. what change? meanwhile mccain pulls out all the stops and chooses - a regular american woman. now that's change. the word "experience" shouldn't be defined in the narrow terms that most of you folks are using. give me someone with life experiences that extend beyond the backstabbing, snake-oil salesmen inside the beltway: they're the ones, republicans and democrats, that got america in the mess its in. i'd rather sarah palin was at the top of the ticket - we can use someone with some common sense instead of a career politico.

Posted by: chili | September 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse


Hey tweedie,

Assuming you are correct, advocating independence and anti-Americanism is two different things note.

Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

GOTTA CHECK THIS OUT FOLKS. PALIN HAS MUCH BIGGER CHURCH ISSUES THAN OBAMA

Posted by: Elmer | September 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of talking about the republican VP's children.

Why isn't there more coverage about the "Uncle Tom" comment coming from Barack Hussein Obama's supposed mentor just a week ago?

What about Barack Hussein Obama's campaign's sexist initial reaction to the Palin pick?

What about his free trade comments to other countries?

What about his comments concerning everyone needing to learn Spanish?

Why are 95% of black voters voting for Obama and saying so in the media and white voters being beaten down with the "white guilt" argument when they don't agree?

"Obama, once the truth came out about your close association with Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Resko, Farrakhan, Ayres and Dohrn, your percentage of votes in the primary dropped dramatically."

Why aren't every single one of these individuals being discussed?

What about the Muslim women moved from behind central camera angle in the primaries?

Obama has paid bloggers the unemployed and workers blatantly screwing off during office hours on the internet who have nothing better to do. Blogs do not win elections.

Stop beating down a 17 year old girl you cowards.

"It can't be on-the-job training"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA AND HISD LOONIES

"Wow! What a bunch of loons."

Loonies and Obama support and/or abide racists and anti-Americans like, Wright, Pfleger, Resko, Farrakhan, Ayres and Dohrn.

Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I have two main concerns. Ms Palin's 180 degree opposite views on the sanctity of life. one can't be anti bortion and pro death penalty in the same breath. such positions are mutually exclusive, but the greatest difficulty is the problem of advocating Alaska's secession, then spouting "Country First. in s span of 10 or so years. thats a large position shift which doesn't build confidence in her sincerity in any area.

Posted by: MN citizen | September 3, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah - and what's up with Guiliani's whistle/lisp. Has he always talked like that? Or is he wearing invisiliners?

I can't wait to see all these families on stage together. Not a functional family amongst them.

So - anyone know the total of divorces and unplanned pregnancies are between all the speakers at the RNC? It would be an interesting figure.

Hypocrites!!!

Posted by: Mollie in ATL | September 3, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"tweldy:
"the righties are at it again, accusing other people of things they do."

Wrong cowboy. McCain and Palin didn't associate with anti-Americans. "

So what is a secessionist anyways, see, I must be mistaken, the dictionary must be mistaken, and this video must be mistaken...

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/01/sarah-palin-secessionist/

or the conservatives are wrong/lying again. I wonder what the line on that bet is?

Posted by: tweldy | September 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

GOTTA CHECK THIS OUT FOLKS. PALIN HAS MUCH BIGGER CHURCH ISSUES THAN OBAMA

Posted by: JR | September 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"Barack Hussein Obama may be the best that the democrats have to offer. What a sad comment on the state of the Democratic party.

I fixed that statement for you!!!!

No thanks needed...

Posted by: Obvious | September 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm an independent voter who had not made up my mind.... until recently when I began to see the mean, untrue, unfair and vindictive statements made against Sarah Palin. What are the dems afraid of??? That she actually might be too good to be true? I think every working mother in America should be insulted by what they are trying to do to Sarah Palin!! I hope she has the last laugh!! And all of this has helped me make up my mind! GO SARAH!!

Posted by: Josie | September 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse


"How many of us have known a pregnant 17 year old girl? Are all of their mother's to blame?

Idiots."

In my personal experience, despite tremendous effort on the part of extended family and friends, all of them I've know were sadly making the same mistake their mother did. It only adds to my concern that Mrs. Palin doesn't really have a commitment to 'being there' for her grandchild or her own disabled child either - or her priority wouldn't be running for VP over the family.

Posted by: What? | September 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

BillW says,

"McCain and Palin didn't associate with anti-Americans".

AND THAT MAKES THEM QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT??

I think my vote will go to someone more opened minded, like Obama

Posted by: Unsure | September 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"If McCain was rushed vetting Palin, he should've picked Lieberman instead."


Why would he do that/

You would just find a problem to complain about in regard to his pick instead!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Palin may be the best that the GOP has to offer. What a sad comment on the state of the G.O.P.

Posted by: Texas | September 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Shame on McCain who is like a father to Palin for even offering a job - he would never do this to his own daughter. He offered Palin a job knowing the trouble he would be putting her and Bristol through.

And now Bristol and her husband have to be forced into marriage just for the sake of this election. Great judgement McCain. Even if Palin took this job out of ambition or anything, it was wrong for McCain to offer it to her in the first place.

What kind of values is McCain projecting to the conservatives?
That I am choosing the mother of a 17 year old who is pregnant?
That I dont care about the education and future of girls in this country? Bristol will spend the rest of her life raising kids - Thanks to her mother for relying on abstinence than education.

McCain has lost it. I hope American people are better than that.

Posted by: Just a Citizen | September 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"While I appreciate the insight on the interesting comments, I want to point out that the Washington Post misses an obvious fact. Just because the "majority of comments" suggest the VP choice was made for the wrong reasons doesn't necessarily mean that is the viewpoint of all Americans. It simply proves that the majority of readers of the Washington Post, who also have the passion to post comments, are mostly Democrats."


Right on the nose!!!

I don't think the polls are even close to showing what is actually going on...

Posted by: 6778 | September 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

If McCain was rushed vetting Palin, he should've picked Lieberman instead.

At least he was already thoroughly vetted - by the Democratic Party that is.

Posted by: Mark | September 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok, can we all just get along?

Let's try to keep personal attacks out of the discussion.

Republicans: please stop dissing us democrats. Democrats: please stop attacking Reps.

My viewpoint:

I am a die-hard Democrat who is voting for Obama, but I have respect for McCain and Palin. She is an impressive woman who has accomplished a lot. She is not someone we Dems should underestimate. Calling her names or dissing her for the private family matters is not going to help anything, and it makes us liberals look like idiots.

What we need to be doing as Dems and liberals is looking at her politics, then decide if they are the best for our country. For example:

1) I don't agree with drilling for oil in Alaska because it will not drastically improve our gas prices and will do so at the expense of the environment. We CAN find other solutions to the gas crises, but we CAN'T find another solution to fixing up an environment that has undergone drilling.

2) I don't agree with Palin's and other conservative Republicans' tendency to use their faith as a source of policy for abortion, teaching creationism in school, etc. I honor and respect their beliefs, but don't think that they have the right to impose them legally onto those of us who don't share the same religious beliefs.

3) I don't actually have a problem with the 2nd amendment and believe that hunters have the right to hunt and have guns, etc. My problem is that there's no real conversation between NRA and gun-control advocates. I think there's a middle ground: how to allow people who use guns safely or for hunting their guns while preventing criminals from getting them? I have yet to hear anything nuanced from Palin or McCain. However, what I love about Obama is that his analyses of things are nuanced. If anyone could create a bridge between the right and the left on this, it would be Obama because he actually listens to more than just his own side.

4) Chris said in a post the following: "It's kind of funny that most of the people bringing up Palin' daughter's pregnancy are Righties. Most of the rest of us are just concerned about her inexperience." I think we Dems need to keep to the relevant issues, which is: do you agree with her politics and do you think she can lead? Scrap the personal crap. Leave that to the Republicans--they do tend to be the ones who focus so much on the personal stuff as evidence of good leadership. Personally, that's not important to me, and it's irrelevant. Palin's choice to have Trig and to support her pregnant daughter is a fine moral choice and I'm impressed by it and her as a person, but I leave it at that. Let the Reps get all lathered up about that being evidence of her ability to lead--we Dems should just let them, because we know better that it's irrelevant if we just don't agree with her politics.

-Dr. Twinkie

Posted by: Dr. Twinkie | September 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

OMG Sidda, that sound like Taliban talk to me if anything is. Xtians can be downright scary:

PaLIN:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."


Posted by: PleaseObama! | September 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Killing Iraqi babies for Oil, er JESUS!!! I actually read the Bible, and according that book God doesn't want anyone kill anyone for any reason, at least, that's what I thought "Thou shalt not kill." meant. I didn't see anything about "Thou shalt not kill, unless there's oil to be had" or "Thou shalt not kill, unless its one of them brown people". I really didn't see that. Maybe the Alaskan Redneck translation of the Bible says something different... or maybe Palin really isn't a christian...

Posted by: tweldy | September 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse


tweldy:
"the righties are at it again, accusing other people of things they do."

Wrong cowboy. McCain and Palin didn't associate with anti-Americans.

Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Actually, according to her church, she's more likely to Nuke Iran and just about everywhere else. Just what we need, an apocalyse worshipper.

Posted by: Steven | September 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow! What a bunch of loons. Ann Last name redacted in Alaska mixed in a lot of personal opinion w/ a few facts. How clever... and transparent. So her daughter had sex and got pregnant. This somehow invalidates abstinance programs? how many of you jagoff libs listened to everything your parents told YOU when you were 17?

Posted by: Peter Gozinya | September 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"Don't vote for her if you don't like her."

I have never understood this? What does "liking" a candidate have to do with voting for them?

I am not looking for a friend.. I am looking for a President. I don't care if Love, like, dislike or hate, what i care about is that he/she gets the job done.

I am a california democrat. I don't like Arnold S at all. But, from where i sit, he has been a effective govenor (We will see if that holds true once the budget crisis is resolved). But he got my vote because I felt he could be effective, not because i like him.

I don't like McCain- I believe that if Candidate McCain goes away and the "real" McCain comes back- he may have a chance to be effective (slim, but a chance). But if "candidate" McCain sticks around, his quick impulsive decisions, poor judgement in appointments, and poor managment of somethign as simple as a campaign will make him utterly ineffective.

Clearly Obama- by getting 18 million votes, besting a top notch crew of candidates and rallying millions of new people to get involved in politics- has been effective.

Obama will never have a drink in my living room, I don't like him (hell, i don't know him) but, he has inspired me, he has made good decisions and he has run a well run, effective campaign.

I don't dislike Sarah Palin, but facts are facts. The CEO of Snowball.com isn't automatically qualified to be CEO of GE just beacuse she had been "CEO".

Its not about "like"... its about being president.

Posted by: Gus | September 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

:/

Posted by: Sidda | September 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

While I appreciate the insight on the interesting comments, I want to point out that the Washington Post misses an obvious fact. Just because the "majority of comments" suggest the VP choice was made for the wrong reasons doesn't necessarily mean that is the viewpoint of all Americans. It simply proves that the majority of readers of the Washington Post, who also have the passion to post comments, are mostly Democrats.

Posted by: KEC | September 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

her biggest problem is: in her first 5 minutes out of the fabled 15, she said: John McCain will not allow Iran to aquire NUCULAR weapons. God save us, they had the same teacher!

Posted by: ionbastion | September 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I am offended by the Republican comments that suggest Ms. Palin's daughter's pregnancy somehow makes her "like us" since others have this problem to deal with. No, we do not. Every woman I know is a good mother who gave up their careers to take care of our children and know what they are up to. Sarah Palin had five children and spent her days running an entire state. She's what Newt Gingrich would have called a feminazi an era ago. But nowadays she somehow represents family values? Not my family. I didn't raise my children to run around having sex. I was there watching over them full time.

As Jackie Kennedy once famously said "if you screw up your kids, nothing else matters". Clearly Sarah Palin has screwed up when it comes to her daughter. And as a Democrat, I disagree vehemently with Obama - your family and what they do is often a reflection of the candidate's values and character as it clearly is in this case. If Sarah Palin cannot control her own daughter, what else can't she control? Is Sarah Palin the kind of person who cannot see warning signs? And don't we already have someone in Washington with the same problem?

Do not place us good mothers in the same category with a woman who was so busy with her career that she could not see that her child was getting into trouble. Sarah Palin should have been around to take her kid to play soccer instead of leaving her to her own devices. Us soccer moms collect medals from our kids. Not babies.

Posted by: Catherine | September 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin are the perfect representatives of a party whose ideology is based on greed and control of power over less than the rich elite: middle class, poverty-stricken, women (Pro-[republican]LIFE!), minority, non-conformist to the plans of the greedy elite whose bloodthirsty lust for power over others has no limit as for example, even W Bush attacked McCain to "protect" his own election. Thank you republican party for so clearly representing the DARK SIDE with your deceitful tactics and corporate greedy interest in power over the individual American and all Americans and humans in the world. I'm just waiting for the space ship to land on the White House as the republican party are escorted in a rapture to the heavens, namely by Martians and hopefully to hellish Mercury where they belong as they hand over the keys to aliens from space who promise more power on other virgin planets fresh for their plunder.

Posted by: non-delegate loser | September 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

GOTTA CHECK THIS OUT FOLKS. PALIN HAS MUCH BIGGER CHURCH ISSUES THAN OBAMA

Posted by: Elmer | September 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

cool comment joggers@comcast.net
but anyhow,
The MEDIA has the responsibility to look into her past, they are the fourth estate, arent they? (are they)
Most bloggers here are liberal? maybe but freedom of speech is very liberal. (isn't it?)
Pundits like Rush Limbaugh talk to their audience while here we're talking to each other. (That's good)
PALIN makes McCain look younger. (BTW have you noticed how many times the news media misprenounces her last name: Pale-in vs Palin? Turn on CNN or MSNBC and check it our. 28y/o

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I must say that as a woman, I am very upset at this choice. (And I will say I was also very upset about Hillary running as well). What "liberals" are upset about is the fact that McCain picked a woman just to pick a woman. Republicans truly believe that just because a woman is on their ticket, that Democratic women will just vote their way. Those women who loved Hillary, loved Hillary for what she stood for not just because she was a female. I love that Republicans think women are bumbling fools. I wish they would think a bit higher of their peers, their voters.
McCain wants to win and I don't blame him, but he should have picked a candidate that is worthy of being the possible first female VP. (Maybe a candidate that won't be on the cover of People magazine the week of the Republican Convention.)
Come November we will see how this drama all plays out.

Posted by: aes | September 3, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse


"I am personally disturbed by the media that is badgering a 17 year old girl"

The media is like Obama, anything goes just like his unprincipled association and abiding Wright, Pfleger, Resko, Farrakhan, Ayres and Dohrn.


Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama---no more free speech, no more guns, no more Bill of Rights

Posted by: ejidocy | September 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

From Media Research Center:
Obama’s Margin of Victory: The Media
How Barack Obama Could Not Have Won the Democratic Nomination Without ABC, CBS and NBC

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

It was the closest nomination contest in a generation, with just one-tenth of a percentage point — 41,622 votes out of more than 35 million cast — separating Barack Obama from Hillary Clinton when the Democratic primaries ended in June. Obama’s margin among elected delegates was almost as thin, just 51 to 48 percent.
But Barack Obama had a crucial advantage over his rivals this year: the support of the national media, especially the three broadcast networks. At every step of his national political career, network reporters showered the Illinois Senator with glowing media coverage, building him up as a political celebrity and exhibiting little interest in investigating his past associations or exploring the controversies that could have threatened his campaign.

These are the key findings of the Media Research Center’s exhaustive analysis of ABC, CBS and NBC evening news coverage of Barack Obama — every story, every soundbite, every mention — from his first appearance on a network broadcast in May 2000 through the end of the Democratic primaries in June 2008, a total of 1,365 stories. MRC analysts found that the networks’ coverage — particularly prior to the formal start of Obama’s presidential campaign — bordered on giddy celebration of a political "rock star" rather than objective newsgathering.

Key Findings:

The three broadcast networks treated Obama to nearly seven times more good press than bad — 462 positive stories (34% of the total), compared with only 70 stories (just 5%) that were critical.

NBC Nightly News was the most lopsided, with 179 pro-Obama reports (37%), more than ten times the number of anti-Obama stories (17, or 3%). The CBS Evening News was nearly as skewed, with 156 stories spun in favor of Obama (38%), compared to a mere 21 anti-Obama reports (5%). ABC’s World News was the least slanted, but still tilted roughly four-to-one in Obama’s favor (127 stories to 32, or 27% to 7%).

Barack Obama received his best press when it mattered most, as he debuted on the national scene. All of the networks lavished him with praise when he was keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic Convention, and did not produce a single negative story about Obama (out of 81 total reports) prior to the start of his presidential campaign in early 2007.

The networks downplayed or ignored major Obama gaffes and scandals. Obama’s relationship with convicted influence peddler Tony Rezko was the subject of only two full reports (one each on ABC and NBC) and mentioned in just 15 other stories. CBS and NBC also initially downplayed controversial statements from Obama’s longtime pastor Jeremiah Wright, but heavily praised Obama’s March 18 speech on race relations.

While Obama’s worst media coverage came during the weeks leading up to the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, even then the networks offered two positive stories for every one that carried a negative spin (21% to 9%). Obama’s best press of the year came after he won the North Carolina primary on May 6 — after that, 43 percent of stories were favorable to Obama, compared to just one percent that were critical.

The networks minimized Obama’s liberal ideology, only referring to him as a "liberal" 14 times in four years. In contrast, reporters found twice as many occasions (29) to refer to Obama as either a "rock star," "rising star" or "superstar" during the same period.

In covering the campaign, network reporters highlighted voters who offered favorable opinions about Obama. Of 147 average citizens who expressed an on-camera opinion about Obama, 114 (78%) were pro-Obama, compared to just 28 (19%) that had a negative view, with the remaining five offering a mixed opinion.

Perhaps if he had faced serious journalistic scrutiny instead of media cheerleading, Barack Obama might still have won his party’s nomination. But the tremendously positive coverage that the networks bestowed upon his campaign was of incalculable value. The early celebrity coverage helped make Obama a nationally-known figure with a near-perfect media image. The protectiveness that reporters showed during the early primaries made it difficult for his rivals to effectively criticize him. And when it came to controversies such as the Wright affair, network reporters acted more as defenders than as journalists in an adversarial relationship. If the media did not actually win the Democratic nomination for Barack Obama, they surely made it a whole lot easier.

Posted by: Tammy | September 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep beating on the population of Alaska because the Senator-for-Life continues to be re-elected by a population of a little over 800K. Not sure if that number includes summer residents of the Delaware shore. So our choices for VP both come from small states. One actually governed, the other gave a bunch of speeches from a soap box on Capitol Hill.

Posted by: Anthony | September 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

As a mother with a 17 year old daughter, I would want to be at home helping my daughter deal with being pregnant and raising the child. Trig also needs to have his issues addressed and be cared for by his mother, you can't play Mommy when you decide it fits into your schedule. these are both issues that need to be handled "hands on!"

Palin should never have accepted McCain's offer.

Posted by: Moose2000 | September 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Dungarees!

"I don't question Senator Obama's experience; I fully agree he's not the most experienced person available. However, he choose to run, to campaign for President, and he successfully won out over other candidates... Governor Palin... was picked by one person to be the first in line to the Presidency. That's a significant difference, regardless of experience being a factor."

I totally agree...even the media DURING the Republican convention yesterday were pointing this out...not the mention how much attention is being focused on Palin, rather than McCain. I am a supporter of Obama. I find it laughable that McCain chose Palin. Although I respect her triumphs in politics so far in her career...jesus christ...she is going to be in line for the oval office? Hillary supporters are supposed to jump on the bandwagon just because Palin is a woman? Any ole woman will do?
Oh, and I respect McCain's time spent as a POW and his service to his country. Last night Fred Thompson made sure we all did. As I watched it, I thought of how many Democrats were POWs as well. My father fought in WWII and could not use his right arm until he died 6 years ago. Although I respect McCain's service record...I am a little tired of hearing about it.

Posted by: Sidda | September 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Folks on the left are screaming so loudly for change that they will back anyone who says what they think they WANT to hear and embrace this fool BECAUSE he's african-american. The color of Obama's skin appears to be equally as important as the cry for CHANGE he keeps talking about, but has no real idea how to implement. Heck, he couldn't even write a book without taking off for Bali for several months so he could 'focus'. Give me McCain-Palin, street smart and not messing around. And stop wasting my time with the personal choices that don't affect me (who the heck cares that a 17-year old got pregnant - not Hollywood for sure so why are you libs freaking out?) The personal choices that do affect us all are the mentors and leaders the candidates are surrounding themselves with and were influenced by. Just cuz Scary Barry doesn't hang with J Wright doesn't mean he didn't buy and drink that koolaid for two decades. He most certainly would have subscribed to the belief in separatist theology. And that affects us all people.

Posted by: LisaG-WC | September 3, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Republican and won't vote for McCain. I'm very surprised by his choice of Palin, since he's been so critical of Obama's so-called lack of experience. I am also very surprised to find that her 17 year-old daughter's baby's father has not married her as of yet. What is he waiting for? She's five months pregnant for heaven's sake. Is he being paid to marry her now that her mother is the Republican candidate's VP? What is really going on with this couple.

Posted by: Mom in CT | September 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

These discussions about sex and morals are beside the point. The fact remains that Palin is hopelessly unqualified for the job of Vice President, perhaps even unelected President and Supreme Commander of the worldwide US military operations. But that is not her fault. She never applied for the job, McCain offered it.

McCain obviously lacks the judgment and the talent to pick the right people -- the two most important qualifications a President MUST possess. By choosing Joe Biden, Obama has proven that he has both.

Posted by: bodo | September 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Of course the hypocrites are now demanding that Bristol and her life are irrelevant. They are right: It's not Bristol but the Republican hypocrisy that is disgusting.
After Swiftboating entered the lexicon, there is no longer any validity in any Repub "outrage."

Posted by: Dr. Dave | September 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Palin is unfit for the office. Period.

She wants to turn America into Christian-Taliban.

We don't need church ruling the country. This clown thinks that people will seek refuge on the dooms' day in Alaska. Man - this is hilarious.

Is she going to entertain the Saudi guests visiting the whitehouse and serve them home-cooked cookies? what is she going to do? Can she deal with Iranian president? Man, this is becoming a joke. Choosing a beauty queen for VP to a 72 year old man? For that matter, one day Britney Spears could run for president saying that she is experienced in having kids.

Posted by: Just a citizen | September 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Reading many articles about Sarah Palin just proved to me that God preferred women to men. I came across an article about Sarah Palin at her church. She said that sending US troops to Iraq was God's plan.
If God didn't tell the Pope about Iraq but God told Palin about God's plan with Iraq then God must like women more.

Posted by: larry | September 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"However, he choose to run, to campaign for President, and he successfully won out over other candidates'


No he didn't

He was chosen before hand and "pushed" by people like Pelosi and Dean in regards to electoral voters due to potential for generated revenue. Joe blow had no say.

Case in point, finances were handed over to him immediately, and head quarters moved to Chicago, two months before your circus convention.

Paint it anyway you want, the Democratic way of electing a representative is flawed.

Posted by: 677 | September 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama---no more free speech, no more guns, no more Bill of Rights

Posted by: ejidocy | September 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Pailin = desperation of the republican party for women votes.
They should be desperate... years of failed policies, scandals, corruption, lies. I feel somewhat embarassed for them.

Posted by: scott | September 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse


The only thing the right cares about in this situation is to get the baby born. Educating him/her, providing health care for him/her or securing a possible job under clean skies is of no import.

Oh but this will be a rich baby...not a problem.

Posted by: 0605 | September 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Palin is unfit for the office. Period.

She wants to turn America into Christian-Taliban.

We don't need church ruling the country. This clown thinks that people will seek refuge on the dooms' day in Alaska. Man - this is hilarious.

Is she going to entertain the Saudi guests visiting the whitehouse and serve them home-cooked cookies? what is she going to do? Can she deal with Iranian president? Man, this is becoming a joke. Choosing a beauty queen for VP to a 72 year old man? For that matter, one day Britney Spears could run for president saying that she is experienced in having kids.

Posted by: Just a citizen | September 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

we NEED a strong third political party. I am just getting into following politics and I am ashamed it has taken me so long, I have always loved learning about our history but now I am taking a greater interest in the history that we are making and I do not understand how our country has been so passive for so long. WE ARE NOT LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES, as another poster has said. I am not saying we are better but once we use to question not we just wait and choose throught media hype.

Posted by: Crystal | September 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Seeing as how a VP meets with heads of state both ceremonially and in a crisis mode, who would we rather have in a meeting one on one with Putin or the leaders of Pakistan and Iran, Biden or Palin? The issues that would be discussed in such a meeting require a rich depth of knowledge that would place Palin in a weak position and Biden in a strong one.

Posted by: LongIslandArt | September 3, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

It is so cute that Reps say that Dems are critising Palin's family. Boo hoo! They would do THE SAME to us! Anyway, we are not doing that as much seeing how senile McBush really is, and how desperate he is to be President, no matter what...

Palin:

Wants to have the Xtain creation myth taught in public schools...where children of varied faiths attend...and that is against the constitution (if it matters to them)

Wants to drill 2000 acres in the Alaskan Wildlife Wilderness.

Enough said for you??

Go Obama!....before America destroys itself.

SHOW SOME RESPECT PALIN AND GO HOME TO YOUR FAMILY, THEY NEED YOU!

Posted by: Coventina | September 3, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Is the point being made about Palin being a hypocrite really valid? Parents try to raise their children right and pass on their good values such as not having premarital sex and such, yet more than half of teenagers in American schools have had sex before graduating highschool. You point the finger yet you don't realize that if you are a parent and you call Palin a hypocrite, more than likely you will be too by the time your kids graduate, whether you knew it happened or not. So if her daughter had used proper protection and not gotten pregnant, neither you or Palin probably would have ever found out her daughter had premarital sex, what are the chances that your son or daughter has done it before graduating and you will never find out. Drop these cries of hypocrisies towards Palin, and realize her daughter did this behind her back, and her daughters choice doesn't have any bearing on what Palin believes.

Posted by: MAVric | September 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I always wonder why presidential candidates are not required background checks.
More important than veeps.
If Obama were a veep candidate, he would be kicked off by background checks. His long time relationships with Tony Rezko indicted,
pastor wright hating America and domestic terrorists.

Posted by: Kazu Naga | September 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Listen, This is God speaking.
Abortion is OK. Sex is fine. Republicans please stop speaking for me.

Posted by: God | September 3, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Mark | September 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Yea, sitting in a church for 20 years listening to "god damn America" is exactly the same as picking Palin as VP. I'm sure that will stick, keep at it. If McCain had picked someone he had known for years they would cry Cronyisim; if he picks a fresh face then he makes a poor judgement. When Bill Clinton was getting hummers in the White House every Dem in the country cried privacy. Not hearing that so much these days and this is a womans daughter, not even herself.

Please keep making stuff up about her as well, the more out there the more you will upset females who know this is the same bull they pulled on Hillary during the primaries.

I can say this for sure; I love seeing the dems attack Palin it really drives a wedge in the Democratic party between the women and the hard left. When the Republicans attacked Wright it did no such thing. So yea its exactly the same situation. Keep telling yourself that and PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.. Keep attacking her (especially that part about should she really be running for VP as a mother.. Love that crap.)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Just reading half of these posts make me realize how stupid everyone is. Pointless people make for pointless politics. Good luck. I hope your candidate loses.

Posted by: Disappointed | September 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

People are just having a grand ole time bashing Palin for her Daughter, and McCain for choosing her. What it really comes down to is who you personally think is the right person for the job. Yes, there are things going on in each of the candidates lives that some people may not agree with, but has anyone mentioned anything about Palin's newborn baby with down syndrome? Does anyone have any sympathy for her and want to give her a break? My mother had to take care of me when I was sick with cancer and my brother was over fighting in Iraq. S**t happens. I hope that McCain does win, because I feel he is the right person for the job. But if Obama wins, I hope he can prove to be as good as he says he will be. Which ever president is chosen, I will stand behind America's choice and not complain for the next 4-8 years about how someone made the wrong choice.

Posted by: Ohio26 | September 3, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

This is the view from Nigeria.
Obama has no executive experience. S. Palin has been Mayor and now Governor.
George dubya Bush was Governor of Texas.
That was plenty of executive experience.
We all know what a fine president he turned out to be.

Posted by: ife | September 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"The leftists are the meanest group of people around today."

Right wing talk show host Michael Reagan:

"Hezbollah," Michael says, "You know what I'd do? On their 1st birthday, put a grenade up their butt. I'd light it! Bye-bye, baby."

Yes, the righties are at it again, accusing other people of things they do.

Posted by: tweldy | September 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Pregnant 17 yr old daughter? Who cares, lets focus on issues and the solutions to our nations problems. Raise your hand if your kids never made mistakes, or if you were the perfect parent. A parent like Palin will make a fine VP because she will know how to deal with troubles.

Posted by: Dusty | September 3, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Susan | September 3, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Chris for posting that up about Sarah. It's the ONLY actual information I've seen about her in the press so far. Everything else is just hysterical rants either pro or con with no facts (or maybe a few carefully selected facts that support the hysterics).

Posted by: groundhog | September 3, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

McCain will dump Palin within the next ten days. Of course, it will be Palin who says that she is volunteering to withdraw "for the good of the party."

I'm going to collect as many McCain/Palin buttons as I can. These will become more valuable than McGovern/Eagleton buttons!

Posted by: Terrible Swift Sword | September 3, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has demonstrated her pro-family, pro-life, christian convictions through some of the same life issues many face in America. To suggest, however, that a former councilwoman, former mayor, sitting governor, current wife & mother of 5, is less qualified than Obama suggests a disregard of the facts. Keep trumpeting her sex, motherhood, family issues, and "unqualified" status & watch many women and independents pull the lever for McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Dave | September 3, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm reserving judgment on Sarah Palin. I just can't shake the feeling that she was selected because she was a young, pretty face and as a woman, that bothers me. I've been selected as a young, pretty face before (however many years ago) and proved I had a brain to go with the package so maybe I'm underestimating her. But I have a doctorate- she has five kids. Maybe she chose to spend her time pursuing different things.

Here is a woman who three years ago was mayor of a town of 8,000, then became Governor of a State of 680,000- that's smaller than the county I live in. This is the best the Republican ticket has to offer? If they needed governing experience, then let's get Shirley Franklin, the black woman mayor of Atlanta, a city of 5.1 million. So what if she's a Democrat, so was Joe Lieberman. If it's legislative experience, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, the highest ranking female Republican in the Senate. Executive experience? Where is Condeelzza Rice when we need her? A past provost of Stanford, National Security Advisor and Secretary of State. So what was I thinking? Sarah Palin has a Bachelor's from Idaho and was Commander-in-Chief of the Alaska National Guard which will come in extremely handy when Russia decides to invade us across the Bering Straight. She is anti-abortion even including rape and incest, is for creationism being taught in public schools, is pro-gun lobby. I don't know... I really don't know. I realize this puts me in the minority in the republican party right now but I'm willing to accept that.

Posted by: JB | September 3, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I am personally disturbed by the media that is badgering a 17 year old girl, that is at the most trying time of her life, and in a very delicate condition. For those in the media, you should be ashamed and hope that the young girl does not have complications from this. It is just disgusting and makes my heart ache for her. Furthermore, she is not running for office and is as human as any other teenager.

I am a mom of 4 young children, I work full time and attend graduate school. My children are happy, and they are well taken care of. I am pleased that a strong woman has been chosen as V.P. The White House and John McCain can use the assistance that a woman could bring to the table. I think that we as Americans should be proud and embrace her. A local radio host has suggested we blow out Congress, this is exactly what we need to make those who have taken our money and spent it on frivolous things we don't need. We need to cut costs and return the money back to the people! That is you and me!

Posted by: Stella B | September 3, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The way Mac chose a running mate, does this illustrate his method of choosing a physician, dentist or lawyer, viz., pick one at random? Whatever happened to the American tradition of go to school, extend your education as far as possible, serve an apprenticeship and qualify yourself as a professional? When you get old enough to need a quadruple bypass, will your surgeon be discovered taking orders at the counter at Mickey D's?

Posted by: dassa0069 | September 3, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

If his age wasn’t a concern, even if he picked Mickey Mouse it would have been O.K. with me.
… but it’s his age that matters.

Posted by: Mark Shamash | September 3, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Anne - Thank you for the feedback you provided. At one point you referred to yourself as 'only a housewife'. I can only hope you realize that what you contribute, and not only by courageously stepping forward to provide voters with information upon which they can actually make a well-informed decision (something that seems to be out of fashion, unfortunately), should never be referred to as 'only'.

Posted by: Thank you, Anne | September 3, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

How can a family rally around a teen mom when they are thousands of miles away? The last time I checked, Alaska was nowhere near Washington, D.C.
Perhaps the young couple will move into the Vice-President's residence and work on their GED's?

Posted by: Mother of 6 | September 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

It's not like John McCain had plenty of time to vette and make his pick is it?

He only had a two month lead as the presumptive nominee.

Instead of leading, he chose to react.

Posted by: JR | September 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Statutory rape - wow... they need to arrest this kid. Palin preaches abstenance but her daughter's pregnancy proves IT DOES NOT WORK!

President Obama 2008

Posted by: ob08 | September 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

We shouldn't point at Bristol Palin's pregnancy. It is her private thing. But how many parents in the states like their daughters to be pregnant at this age? Is this a parent lose if it do happened? If a parent can not educate their kids as our american hope, can he/she manage our country well?

Posted by: Lamac | September 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, you seem to have gotten this wrong, so I'll edit it for ya:

"Sarah Palin is everything the liberal establishment hates, fears most, and seeks to destroy: a ... "

... right wing lunatic who advocates for failed policies (abstinence only education), abuses power for her own ends (troopergate), and hates America (Alaska secessionist group).

There, that's better now that we got the truth out isn't it?

Posted by: tweldy | September 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The leftists are the meanest group of people around today. That's because anything goes with them, including trashing a teenage girl who got "unlucky". Just like the unprincipled Obama's association with Wright and Ayers. Birds of a feather flock together. Trash supports trash.


Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 11:52 AM
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Actually, I think she got "LUCKY" lol. Maybe if her mom taught her about birth control and talked about sex education she wouldn't be in this situation. Instead Palin's view is "just don't do it!"...This woman is beyond religious, she is a religious nut who wants to teach our children the same values she has instilled in hers, none. She wants to throw 100's of years of science out the window and have our public schools teach that "God did it". Evolution is false, A-biogenesis is not worth exploring, astronomy is a waste of time, and science in general is a waste of time. I don't think anyone who thinks this planet is 6000 years old is qualified to lead anyone, except the other religious sheep.

Posted by: Creamsykle | September 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

What an ugly, mean spirited and demoralizing blog this is. See you!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

This decision, I feel, shows a very dangerous level of impulsiveness. A president needs to be caluculating. My education in history brings me back to the Cuban Missile Crisis. There were A LOT of advisors who continued to try and force President Kennedy's hand. He was NOT impulsive and averted what some historians have called the closest we ever got to WWIII. How quickly will Senator McCain "push the button" if he is elected? That is the question that all the pundits need to start looking at.

Posted by: Jeremy | September 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

All the Tax & Spend talk, go look at the record Sarah Palin as Mayor, went from no deficit to leaving the small town $22 Million in debt, increased gov't spending by 33% while increasing tax revenue 38%, all while cfiring the police chief and other for political purposes, yep ready to lead she fits right in there with Bush and Cheney.

Posted by: macd150 | September 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

know how to tell that sarah palin was a great pick? who remembers obama's speech? and who cares about all the so-called "baggage" she's bringing - its no different from what real people in this country go through everyday. the media is in a tizzy that their chosen one, obama, is getting pushed onto 2nd page news everyday. chalk up a win for mccain. its really laughable how the dems have blown this election. we've had 8 years of the worst president in our history, and the republicans hijack another election with a reality show that more americans can tune into than an obama-biden ticket. and don't forget - first woman VP in history, and she's a CONSERVATIVE. ooo, that's gotta smart barack, that's gotta smart.

Posted by: bobby | September 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest here... there is no "liberal media bias" in regard to Palin. Just imagine if she had been nominated to the Democratic ticket! The media storm would be much more intense, and the right-wing punditry noise would be deafening. Really, what do you think the family values crowd would say about an inexperienced woman leaving her 4-month-old baby at home to campaign for the vice-presidency if she weren't the Republican nominee? I shudder even to think about it.

Posted by: jjc4n | September 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah - and what's up with Guiliani's whistle/lisp. Has he always talked like that? Or is he wearing invisiliners?

I can't wait to see all these families on stage together. Not a functional family amongst them.

So - anyone know the total of divorces and unplanned pregnancies are between all the speakers at the RNC? It would be an interesting figure.

Hypocrites!!!

Posted by: Mollie in ATL | September 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

How can you say that Sara Palin is experienced. She governs a state that is the largest BUT with the least population. Population of Alaska is 680,000 give or take and isn't the majority of the land under Federal protection so what is to govern in that sense. I think she will be a contender in the future but she is not ready to run our country now.

Posted by: DiDi | September 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I think she is a terrific pick...where else could McCain find a VP who could so easily fit into the hunting legacy established by Dick Cheney?

Posted by: OldSoldier1967 | September 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

As the mother of a special needs child I find it amazing that people are not bothered by the fact that she will have so little time to take care of her new baby. With a pregnant daughter and a special needs infant it would seem as if Palin has a little too much on her plate to be Vice-president right now. I know this might be an unpopular opinion but, "No success can compensate for failure in the home."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

you get mostly negative comments about palin because most of your readers are dems. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. I liker palin and i don't need some other blog or dimwit to tell me i should or shouldn't.

Posted by: bfred | September 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The facts speak for themselves. This woman is not at all like Hillary. She has little experience compared to Hillary's years of service to women, and the people of her state, and Country. Hillary-Pro-Choice vs. extreme pro-life, environmental issues, war, drilling for oil, women's rights to healthcare, wages, and rights.If you have to ask what the VP does or make statements that "You don't pay much attention to Iraq & Iran," there's an admitted problem. The "angry" response from McCain says it all-his judgement too should be questioned!

Posted by: Shannon | September 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

How can you say that Sara Palin is experienced. She governs a state that is the largest BUT with the least population. Population of Alaska is 680,000 give or take and isn't the majority of the land under Federal protection so what is to govern in that sense. I think she will be a contender in the future but she is not ready to run our country now.

Posted by: DiDi | September 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm an Hillary supporter who switched early to supporting Obama. However, we all have an interest in seeing both parties put forth the best candidates. I thinks George W. Bush was a disastrous choice for the US. I didn't vote for Regan or George H. W. Bush, but they were both reasonably good presidents.

I think that although McCain has a lot of experience, it is not very predictable how effective he would be as a President. Being 72, I thought his choice of VP would be especially important, and he had many good candidates. Rather that chose a well-known candidate with a highly publicized record, he chose instead to choose a candidate who would appease the far right of his party. That is truly disappointing to me - I wanted to see the reemergence of centrist republicans in this election. Now I see a McCain win as truly dangerous for the nation.

Posted by: neutrino | September 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Dungarees!

"I don't question Senator Obama's experience; I fully agree he's not the most experienced person available. However, he choose to run, to campaign for President, and he successfully won out over other candidates... Governor Palin... was picked by one person to be the first in line to the Presidency. That's a significant difference, regardless of experience being a factor."

I totally agree...even the media DURING the Republican convention yesterday were pointing this out...not the mention how much attention is being focused on Palin, rather than McCain. I am a supporter of Obama. I find it laughable that McCain chose Palin. Although I respect her triumphs in politics so far in her career...jesus christ...she is going to be in line for the oval office? Hillary supporters are supposed to jump on the bandwagon just because Palin is a woman? Any ole woman will do?
Oh, and I respect McCain's time spent as a POW and his service to his country. Last night Fred Thompson made sure we all did. As I watched it, I thought of how many Democrats were POWs as well. My father fought in WWII and could not use his right arm until he died 6 years ago. Although I respect McCain's service record...I am a little tired of hearing about it.

Posted by: Sidda | September 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm sick of talking about the republican VP's children.

Why isn't there more coverage about the "Uncle Tom" comment coming from Barack Hussein Obama's supposed mentor just a week ago?

What about Barack Hussein Obama's campaign's sexist initial reaction to the Palin pick?

What about his free trade comments to other countries?

What about his comments concerning everyone needing to learn Spanish?

Why are 95% of black voters voting for Obama and saying so in the media and white voters being beaten down with the "white guilt" argument when they don't agree?

"Obama, once the truth came out about your close association with Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Resko, Farrakhan, Ayres and Dohrn, your percentage of votes in the primary dropped dramatically."

Why aren't every single one of these individuals being discussed?

What about the Muslim women moved from behind central camera angle in the primaries?

Obama has paid bloggers the unemployed and workers blatantly screwing off during office hours on the internet who have nothing better to do. Blogs do not win elections.

Stop beating down a 17 year old girl you cowards.

"It can't be on-the-job training"

Posted by: Palin/Mccain | September 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

JUST WHAT WE NEED, A NUTJOB PALIN THAT YEARNS FOR THE END OF THE WORLD, SEES WAR AS GOD'S COMMAND, AND WITH ACCESS TO THE NATION'S NUCLEAR TRIGGERS. IF YOU PEOPLE ARE THAT STUPID TO VOTE FOR WW3 AND A NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST THEN YOU ARE BEYOND HELP!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE, YOU ARE VOTING IN A WACKO WITH A GLOBAL DEATH WISH!!!!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

QUOTES FROM HER PASTOR:
Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode."

Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.

He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."

Posted by: MarkP | September 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The only people who seem to be offended by McCain's supposed lack of vetting turn out all to be liberals. What a joke. Why don't you at least tell the truth? You're terrified of losing women voters.

"This is NOT about the pregnancy, it is about the hypcorsy of the parents and McCain and the Republican party when it comes to the demonization if liberal teenage mothers and the failure within the family...not to mention the complete failure of abstenence only sex-ed."

The daughter's pregnancy - besides being off-limits except to idiot leftists - doesn't make her parents hypocrites in any way whatsoever. Anyone who has children knows that kids don't always do what you tell them. This is not exactly news. And where, exactly, has the right "demonized" teenage mothers??? Far from it, kids who get themselves into this position must know recognize that they've made a poor choice, but then they should be loved and supported, not driven to an abortion clinic. As far as any of us know (not that it's our business), this is precisely what the Palin's are doing. Kudos to them.

Leftists like you believe that kids should be having all the sex they want out of wedlock - that no one should say a thing about it or preach against it. It's all just hunky-dorey. Why teach that the ideal is abstinence? They're just gonna "do it" anyway, so we should encourage that behavior by providing birth control and abortions when necessary. That way of thinking is disgusting.

Go ahead, demonize the Palin's for loving and supporting their daughter. Criticize the off-limits daughter for getting pregnant and for marrying the boy and not killing the baby instead. Pretend that you're offended that McCain supposedly "didn't vet" the candidate well enough, as if you actually knew what he did, or cared. All of this smacks of desperation, as your know-nothing accomplish-nothing candidate offends and loses women voters by the millions.

Posted by: Michael | September 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I doubt anyone would've cared about Palin's pregnant daughter had Palin not rode a gleamy white horse called "conservativism" into the town of Republicanville with pistols blazing.

Posted by: Justin | September 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Can we just drop the baby thing please? Let's focus on her ability to govern and be second in comand to the most powerful role in the world. People, stop being distracted by all this bs. She is not qualified, plain, simple. McC made a hasty and bad choice. They're just trying to leverage the female vote in the country. They are trying to win over those who would have voted for Hillary. If you want 4 more years of diving economic standings and struggle, by all means vote for McC. This is America and you can vote your conscious. God help your conscious.

Posted by: stellacamp | September 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Watching the GOP convention is like watching a communist rally, what with all the red colors. However, the most notable thing was that the audience was 99.9% white. My question is - where is the diversity in this party? The audience looked so boring.

Change is coming - President Obama.

Posted by: ob08 | September 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

To the poster asking how old my mom was when I was born...31.

The Bristol pregnancy on it's own is a virtual non-issue compared to 'Troopergate', ties to the Alaskan Independence Party, her flip-flops on the 'Bridge to Nowhere', participation in Steven's 527 Organization, or hiring a lobbying firm in Washington for her 6000 person town.

However, for a candidate who has 'Family Values' at their core, especially one with a strong stance on Abstinence Only Sex Ed, it becomes a little bit more of a blip. When we can see that - in her own home, with a strong family and strong support, that her idea of proper Sexual Education doesn't work, what does that mean for America?

Now, I do understand keeping families out of politics. I sincerely feel for the children of politicians who are thrown onto a national stage without having a choice or say. However, to imply that this issue should be ignored is at best political naivety on McCain / Palin's part, at worst a cynical political ploy. Either way, it makes me question the Republican candidates judgement and integrity.

In closing, I must ask that if Obama had a 17 year old son who just impregnated his girlfriend, would the GOP preach so loudly to leave the issue by the wayside? What if one of Obama's daughters got pregnant and made the choice to abort? Would that decision only reflect on the child, or would it also reflect on Obama?

Posted by: Vert032 | September 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

This blog is a perfect illustration of the lesson I taught in the classroom over many years. What you say about someone tells more about you than the person you talk about. First, what you say may or may not be true, so it does not matter anyway. Second, your comments tell mostly about you. What you say tells immediately about your knowledge, oral or verbal, of the English language. In addition, you are revealing your own prejudices, attitudes, and thoughts in the comments about someone else.
joggers@comcast.net

Posted by: Sallyards | September 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"Conservatives will come out in droves"

Please, they can't even fill the auditorium at the RNC convention. The GOP is toast in Decision 2008!

Posted by: OLB | September 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Why the bi-partisanship? Can't we all agree that our country would be better in the hands of an intelligent man and an experienced VP than a man born into political greatness based on his family with a corrupt governor that shirks her responsibilities at home where she should belong?

Posted by: Adam | September 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't take experience to be a good President of the United States so much as it takes common sense, reasonable intelligence, good will, good manners, and the ability to tap people with competence and integrity. For the last eight years, we've had none of these things. Obama may return these to us. It doesn't seem that McCain will.

Bristol Palin's pregnancy is relative to this discussion because Sarah Palin is running a household, as well as the state of Alaska. And in her household, her 17-year old daughter, while she was out of school with infectious mononucleosis for eight months, was sleeping with someone. And her mother seems to condone it. The level of irresponsibility that that reflects, regarding the safety of others, not to mention common sense, is enormous. I wouldn't want this woman running the local YMCA, let alone the country.

Posted by: Carol Wolf | September 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I think the Palin pick is going to work, especially with all those Democratic women who supported Hillary. They're going to switch to McCain/Palin right now because having a woman in the White House is what matters most to them and Palin is just like Hillary in that she's a woman, and that's what they care about. And all the Darwin-deniers and gun-totin' foes of choice are sure to get out and vote now that McCain has demonstrated he's really one of them. The Republicans will retain control of the White House come November. Bank on it.

Posted by: Chris | September 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

There's three things we can be sure of about people who think Bristol's pregnancy disqualifies her mother to run this country.
#1- They have never voted for Bill Clinton.
#2- They have never supported Hillary Clinton.
#3- They have never voted for or shown support to anyone carrying the Kennedy name or anyone who is remotely related to that clan.

Posted by: dcp | September 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Im glad to see this forum open, I like to hear both sides... I agree that McCain is making some bad desions. Comparing Obama & Palin is funny, We should be comparing Palin & Biden... Right? They are the Vice president picks, Honestly Who has more experience?? And whats your definition of experience??? Palin was a purely Polital move! But what move isnt??? I would of voted GOP, but now im sorry! IM VOTING DEM!

Posted by: Revolutionist | September 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is everything the liberal establishment hates, fears most, and seeks to destroy: a successful white woman with

strong family values whom does not kill her unborn children because they just happen to be the inconvenient result of

promiscuous and recreational sex; she is not a lonely and bitter homosexual man-hater; she believes in the second amendment;

she has no difficulty in putting meat on the table without relying on the cruel meat packing industry do it for her; she is

not afraid to take on the establishment; she is a TRUE conservative; and she is beautiful!

ALL the degradation in society is caused by the liberal establishment: streets are no longer safe to walk down in most urban

centers; public schools are all but destroyed, family values degraded and scorned, gays having sex in the streets - as per

San Francisco 2008 "Up Your Alley" street fair
Yes, it's so easy to see why liberals hate her so much.

Light is on her side.

Posted by: Light-Bearer | September 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

It will blow over by Friday. Its just a new woman on the block. Nobody is mad that he picked her. The democrats aren't scared of Sarah Palin. But she is the Prom Queen right now. Liberal media will stay on her case and eventually independents will realiese that she's just another social conservative.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Americans like many country in the world are the most ill-informed voters. The only difference, others atleast accept that their politicians are bad.

Posted by: Iyerk | September 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like she is a typical NeoCon shark. This selection just bumped McCain completely off the list. I'm going to take another look at Ron Paul. I'm a moderate and hate the nut cases on both sides. We need a president, not a messiah.

Posted by: Thanks Anne | September 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I have heard the word "change" more times than I can count in the past several months. Here is a woman who exemplifies that change rather than just talk about it as a goal or in a hypothetical sense. I see a woman who stood up to the oil industry, her own party, and the good ole' boys club to do what was right for the people of her state. She is a real person with common sense. As we all know, common sense is severely lacking in Washington DC. We wanted change and now we have it. However, we criticize when it does not come in an ivy league package or perfect package. This is hypocritical as most Americans do not come in the perfect package (i.e. former President Clinton).

I also diagree that "abstinence only" programs do not work. I am the product of an abstinence only program and am proud to say that I am happily married, hold a graduate degree, and, at 29, have my first baby on the way. Abstinence only is not about not informing kids about safe sex or the avoiding the risks inherent in casual sex, but about giving them the confidence and pride to say no. It is about letting children know that sex is not something to be trifled with and that it can have social, psychological, and physical impacts on the rest of your life. Maybe Bristol Palin did not listen, but I do not think that these programs should be disavowed for that reason.

It sounds like Miss Palin made a poor decision, but is rectifying it with a good one. I am sure Miss Palin will be a promoter of abstinence only education after this experience.

Posted by: JB | September 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I find it hilarious that such a fuss is being made about her vetting process. That it was completed on Wednesday and McCain made his decision on Thursday. So what? Did he need to do like Obama and mull over for weeks and weeks with staff members preparing dossiers on every second cousin? Let's see, Putin invades the Ukraine. President Obama calls Vice President Biden and the staff with a deadline to make a decision in two weeks. Just what we need in the White House. McCain made his decision. He did not need to think it over and over. Would the same fuss be made if he chose Governor Pawlenty of Minnesota? It would have happened the same way.

Posted by: Anthony | September 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Wow. the Democrats are royally pi##ed that the Republican VP is more qualified than the Democrat Presidential candidate.

Yes the Governor/Mayor vs the "community organizer".
"OBAMA IS NOT READY TO LEAD" Dem VP Biden.
Yes Biden we know, we know.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Dear Politico comment readers: The Republicans will win solely based on the following facts: Obama is promoting a Marxist agenda of increasing taxes virtually across the board on all Americans. It doesn't take progressive or creative thinking to achieve this. Obama took notes from the Stalin, Lenin and Mao playbooks. He wants to run a Marxist country under the guise of "progressiveness". Most of the young Dem protesters and drone-type Liberals don't remember what America was like under the incompetent Jimmy Carter. OBAMA wants to restore the inheritance tax. OBAMA wants new taxes on retirement accounts. OBAMA wants to take 39.6% of your dividends. - How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.'

Posted by: Superpower | September 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"scratch a liberal and you'll find a sexist" you say?

scratch a conservative and you'll find a racist, I say.

Don't put me in a box and I won't do the same.

Posted by: WLS | September 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm a republican and I'm appalled by McCains choice of VP. McCain was asked in an interview if she was qualified. In response he said she was President of the PTA. If he has to resort to mentioning her involvement in the PTA, you know she's not qualified.
Romney for Pres. 2012

Posted by: Billy | September 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I feel as though McCain's choice for V.P. was as many described as a shot from the hip is accurate. I do feel that it puts his ability to make decisions into question.

However, as a country we need to leave Bristol and her boyfriend alone. They have enough on their plate to even be considering worrying about the Presidential election. They have quite a bit to figure out and not much time to do it. How about if we give them advise on how to handle this instead of ripping apart what has already been done? Last I checked not a one of us has gone through life without making a mistake.

Posted by: Jonathan | September 3, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Someone asked: "How many of us have known a pregnant 17 year old girl? Are all of their mother's to blame?" No. But there is the question of responsibility and reliability. For instance, it maybe relevant whether the mother's priority is work over family; it may be relevant whether the mother actually parented, and didn't just have a child that got turned over to someone else, say 3 days after birth.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | September 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse


The leftists are the meanest group of people around today. That's because anything goes with them, including trashing a teenage girl who got "unlucky". Just like the unprincipled Obama's association with Wright and Ayers. Birds of a feather flock together. Trash supports trash.


Posted by: Billw | September 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

tweldy wrote: "Then why has the coverage of Obama shown to be more negative than that of McCain?

http://www.cmpa.com/Studies/Election08/election%20news%207_29_08.htm

Ouch, that really puts a hole in your little theory there, well more of giant, gaping crater. Seriously, though, what is it like to be a conservative and be wrong almost all the time? Don't you get tired of being wrong, or is ignorance some sort of sport or hobby to you people?"

Oh yeah, cite one study and that's absolute proof? I know what I hear and see on the MSM every day...and it overwhelmingly shows they're in the tank for Obama and Democrats in general. And anyone too ignorant to see that, it's obvious why they would fall in line behind an empty suit like BHO.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

'Kenny Hott' wrote:

"Sarah Palin was raised up by God to be nominated as the next vice president.
Surely if God could take a shepherd boy named David and make him king of Israel, He can surely can give her the wisdom and the ability to be vice president. People forget that a president has a cabinet with people to help rule that are given wisdom to them by God. Furthermore she was also was raised up by God to speak out against abortion which is one of the greatest sins of the US. Many men in office had the opportunity to speak out against abortion but did not. A baby is made in the image of God and abortion is destroying that one made in the image of God. Just because the US laws says abortion is legal does not make it legal in the sight of God. The US is being judged by God for this sin of murdering innocent babies. I wonder how many people who are pro-choice would have wanted their mother to have aborted them. I would think not many yes to that question. Faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ is the only hope for all people in regards to the judgment of sin that must be dealt with to be able to enter into Heaven. Aborted babies are issued directly into Heaven for they are not able to hear the gospel of the Jesus Christ but are covered by His shed blood on the cross. Because of God’s mercy, grace and love for those created in His image, helpless aborted babies are saved into heaven."

Scott Hott, I want you to know that after reading your post I've sent a $50 contribution to Americans United for the Separation of Church & State.

Oh Lord, oh sweet, sweet Lord.

Please Lord, reveal unto us what spiked the Republican Koolaid this year. The above quote is, quite frankly, un-American. People, the moment you start rationalizing earthly power and authority in *earthly* government has been established by GOD, you challenge and threaten to take away our earthly agency and our sense of the Divine invested in us in the call to "do good, do justice" and change corrupt government. Go back to your failed public school education and look up "the divine right of kings" argument from early modern Europe. We threw out that crap in 1776.

Posted by: Jeff Davis | September 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Good Lord

Look at the non-factual bashing being done by the scared Obama Voters. Here is what truely scares them... McCain actually found anc chose a candidate who is more qualified than OSAMA to be his VP. LMAO!!!

Posted by: Just Another Guy With 2 Cents | September 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Really??? Really people?? This election has gone to crap. First we have every yahoo with an opinion reporting what is supposed to be news. The main stream media like th Washington post and many other what used to be well respected news media have leaned so far left that they have become completely biased. It is a sad day in our country when the National Enquirer is actually reporting reliable news stories and the msm is reporting more fiction and blogs. It is such a shame that our freedom of speech has turned into this.

Posted by: Tammy | September 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"But if you are in favor of a woman's right to control her own reproduction, including the right to have an abortion if she chooses, then DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY REPUBLICAN."

Worry about abortion rights? If I were a woman looking at this ticket, that would be the *beginning* of my concerns. I'd be more worried about my right to own property, vote, and actually have any non-public discussion with any medical professional.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | September 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Are you bloggers afraid of a smart and strong woman.
Can you say with honesty that your family hasn't had problems?
One reason I dislike far left and far right bloggers is their attempt to destroy people with misinformation.

Posted by: Baldeagle41 | September 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

McCain's Judgment

Really like this tittle. Remind of another tittle:

Media's Judgment or God's Judgment

Don't people get enough of so much media's BS?

If the media has pretend to show its right judgment and its eager on new politics, the media now must have found better appetizers than it did with Obama early.

The media's behaviors is well beyond just political gay's.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Mc Cains judgement!!!!


What kind of b ---s-- t is that? Incredible that Ayers – the guy, whose house Obama used for his very first fundraiser, is still walking the streets rather than being buggered in some federal penitentiary.
Barak Obama, every dimension of his life is a lie but yet America is caught up in his soaring rhetoric of: hope, change, and future.
The media's goal it is to protect the public about this very dangerous Marxist while those of us who have this information tip toe around petrified to say anything in fear we might offend someone who will spin on their heels with spittle coming out of their mouths and their eyeballs rolling back in their heads saying ; "Bush!!! , Halliburton!!"

Is the obsession for revenge against Bush's best efforts prosecution of the war so strong that the country has to be handed over to Communists?


WTF ; 85,000 American boys died fighting Communism in my lifetime and we can't talk about the fact that Obama is 3rd generation Communist?

Posted by: rtfanning | September 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Ever notice that Liberals are the vast majority responding to articles. Why is that? Don't libs have jobs? Yes, some do, but they just don't work at work. They rely on conservatives to do the work.

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 11:44 AM

I see your hard at work too, conservative.

Posted by: rottnkid | September 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

The worst part about this whole situation is that the Republican party thinks that women are so uninformed about the issues that they will vote for Sarah Palin just because she is a woman. That she will somehow get the Clinton vote. Excuse me, but her policies are completely opposite of Senator Clinton's, and anyone that would vote for her just because she happens to be female is completely ignorant. I am offended that the Republican party thinks women are so dense.

Posted by: Heather | September 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I am so excited about the McCain & Palin ticket that the next 2 months will be a pleasure instead of an endurance. I hope the American people think clearly about whom we will turn over the most powerful office in the world to in November. Obama has a multitude of stories about his lack of patriotizm and showing no outward embracing of the Flag, National Anthem nor showing his pride in the traditions of American life. How can we the American people think that he could possibly do the job at hand when his support and encouragement of our troops and their efforts is grossly lacking. Anyone who voted against the war in Iraq and voted against supplying the troops with the monetary and physical supplies to sustain them during the war will never get a vote from me. How soon we have forgotten 9/11..There are those of us who will never forget and who expect the next President to never forget and do all within the power of that office to never let it happen again! Country First!

Posted by: Peter | September 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama was raised up by God to be nominated as the next president. Surely if God could take a shepherd boy named David and make him king of Israel, He can surely can give him the wisdom and the ability to be president. People forget that a president has a cabinet with people to help rule that are given wisdom to them by God. Furthermore he was also was raised up by God to speak out against abandoning the poor which is one of the greatest sins of the US. Many men in office had the opportunity to speak out against abandoning the poor but did not. Every person is made in the image of God and letting poor people suffer without health care is destroying one made in the image of God. Just because the US laws says we only provide health care to people with insurance does not make it legal in the sight of God. The US is being judged by God for this sin of abandoning the poor. I wonder how many people with health insurance would have wanted their mother to wait until their illness is life-threatening before taking them to a doctor. I would think not many would say, yes, to that question. Etc., etc., etc..

Posted by: Todd Gatts | September 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Bwaah, ha ha ha. I am a die hard Dem who thinks Palin is the most brilliant political move ever. EVER. Wickle Barry OBooHoo is out of the spotlight for the first time since 2000. This election is a farce--and the American people richly deserve a farce because neither candidate is going to be able to pull us out of the toilet bowl we created by GWB. So let's have a little fun, shall we? Michelle vs. Sarah in Bikinigate. Todd and Barry play Horse nonstop till one keels over. Joe Biden vs. John McCain in Tiddlywinks --winner takes all!

Posted by: BESTmedicine | September 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The Republican National Convention slogan should read "Put White People First!" Trying to find a person of color (Excepting the McCain's adopted daughter) in the sea of white faces at the convention is like a game of Where's Waldo.

Posted by: F. Poisson | September 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Obama, the simple minded candidate for the simple minded...like Doug Feaver

"OBAMA IS NOT READY TO LEAD" Dem VP Biden.
Yes Biden we know, everybody knows except the "simple minded"

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"There is no comparison between a candidate's (Palin) relative having a baby and a candidate who is a closet racist (Obama) and who thinks there are 57 states."

The funny thing about this 57 state nonsense is that I seem to recall a former colony rebelling against its government because they felt like they didn't have any representation.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | September 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It's kind of funny that most of the people bringing up Palin' daughter's pregnancy are Righties. Most of the rest of us are just concerned about her inexperience.

Posted by: Chris | September 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

McCain's actions, choices and words during this campaign has confirmed for me that the only thing Republicans stand for is hypocrisy.

Posted by: Anne | September 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Who is stupid enough to read this annonymous letter and believe it? It fails to mention the brother-in-law beating the hell out of her sister. Last I checked, that's against the law. And if cops break the law, they should be fired. And if they're not, the bosses that don't fire them should get fired. What's the problem?

But again, the liberal media just prints whatever dirty crap they can think up or scrounge up and spins it to push their own agenda.

Take heed, people. Don't believe everything you read, no matter the source and no matter which way you lean politically. Don't stand for being lied to. We're too good for that. We're Americans.

Posted by: Loretta Scott | September 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

John McCain obviously picked Mrs. Palin to placate the right wing religious conservatives who control the Republican party.

Remember, the Republican party is dedicated to ending all abortion rights for all American women, forever. Mrs. Palin is also dedicated to ending all abortion rights for all American women, forever, regardless of their personal wishes or circumstances.

President Bush put 2 Supreme Court Justices in place who may vote to overturn abortion rights in America. The next President will most likely have several opportunities to name Supreme Court justices. It may only take one more conservative justice to overturn abortion rights.

If you are in favor of eliminating abortion rights for all American women, forever, then by all means, vote Republican.

But if you are in favor of a woman's right to control her own reproduction, including the right to have an abortion if she chooses, then DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY REPUBLICAN.

Posted by: carlhcarl | September 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

This is the "hail mary" pass, the big roll of the dice which will characterize the way McCain will conduct foreign and domestic policy?

Sorry. Too much at risk for all of us. Too maverick for me or my family.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Gary P. | September 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Come on get real all of the people who are going to Vote for yet another Republican.. who needs another four years of what we already have.. and that is a CRAPPY ECONOMY, CRAPPY HEALTHCARE, CRAPPY MONEY BEING USED TO HAVE A WAR AND STUFF THE POCKETS OF republicans and lobbyist.
Think of the Katrina victims.. let's think how are we going to survive as a strong nation and get some allies back on our side.. well it is NOT by Voting for the REPUBLICAN.. if so you are fools to believe that they won't mess things up for us Americans again and don't forget the LIES that have been told under this administration.. BUSH should be IMPEACHED for messing with the AMERCIAN PEOPLE..
His wife should be ashamed to be married to him.. COME on BUSH come out and TELL the AMERCIAN people on NATIONAL television that you and CHENEY (OH don't get me started there) that was another poor choice for a VP... well BUSH NEEDS TO ADMIT HE WAS WRONG>. maybe that will make some people open their EYES>>
We need to have a STRONG DEMOCRAT in the OFFICE IN JANUARY and have a BETTER America for all and not for just SOME of US.
GET REAL and BE SMART VOTE for Obama. Because if you and your family are doing just fine then think of the rest fo the nation who are suffering bcause of the current president.

VOTE for Obama.
THANKS and PROUD to be A DEMOCRAT who will alway vote for that party.

Posted by: taz In Iowa | September 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone else noticed that Sarah Palin makes the same crazy eyes that Giuliani makes? It freaks me out.

Posted by: Just sayin | September 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I had an abortion 2 days ago. Though I have been crying a lot, I believe I made the right choice. If my parents had known, they would have made me keep it, and I just couldn't go down that road. ...I was told it was a girl.

We need to keep abortion legal. I had to make a tough choice, and America should make that tough choice, too and elect Obama.

Posted by: Lori | September 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Republican National Convention is the real Operation Chaos. Take credit for this one Rush, it's your baby.

Posted by: Hoffmann | September 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

amazing at all the comments..
but---being in this country is what it is all about...you can vent..see if you can any where else and not get shot...
as for which is best...will see when ??? gets elected and first crisis happens....

Posted by: rgw | September 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"As your precious anti-christ leader obama (...)"

And that's the kind of forward thinking, constructive comments we've come to expect from the right wing. Of course, its all the same tired post, over and over, so instead of wasting time trying to write another semi-unique name-calling post, just repost this one next time!

Posted by: tweldy | September 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

If the Republicans suggest (and the Democrats agree) that candidates' families are off-limits, I think that is commendable.

Why then, is it not objectionable for the Republicans to exploit Bristol Palin's personal situation to underline her mother's conservative values? If the personal should not be politcal, why go beyond the factual disclosure of the pregnancy and talk about the fact that the daughter is going to 1) have the child, and 2) marry the father? Is this anyone's business??

Sarah Palin has clearly delineated her 'pro-life' values in her own personal choices, so stick to those for validation of your principles. Surely her daughter should be allowed to make her own decisions in a personal and private setting -- or would that be too 'pro-choice'?

Leave the daughter out of this -- a message to both Democrats AND Republicans.

Posted by: Canuck | September 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

There is no comparison between a candidate's (Palin) relative having a baby and a candidate who is a closet racist (Obama) and who thinks there are 57 states.

One is a personal story, but being a racist should disqualify anyone to be dogcatcher, let alone president.

Where was the media when Clinton himself (not Clinton's daughter) was the child of an unwed mother? Not a peep. Not a bleet.

If the bloatbags of the biased media get away with this smear, ruin another upstanding life, freedom of the press is dead in America.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain picked a winner! And announced it with perfect timing, on the day of the empty suits teleprompter speech.
So sad for the Democrats who are stuck with the unqualified community organizer.

"OBAMA IS NOT READY TO LEAD" Dem VP Biden.
Yes Biden we know, every body knows except the WP parrots.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Really, what are these people thinking? first they pull a name out of their hat out of the no where, then, they pick some one less experienced than Obama eventhough they criticized his experience, and then, they pick a mother of 5 with kids young enough to keep her busy enough that its not fit for a vice precident...interesting.

Posted by: Angela | September 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

In the Republican world the media should ignore the fact that Palin is unqualified and just take their word for it. If you won't, they'll rant and rave that you're sexist. Even though their *own* party is the standard-bearer for sexism. The white old man party... They apparently fail to understand that everyone in the US would be forced under a Palin Presidency if McCain were to pull off a miracle and win the election then die of a heart attack from the excitement. So it matters to everyone whether she's qualifed or not. According to all the evidence SHE IS NOT.

Posted by: Chris | September 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

It's dissappointing that a full 50% of Americans are judgmental, liberal idiots. I fear the only solution is for the Dems to run the country into moral and social decay for a few years; then we will all be reminded of how ignorant, weak and reckless they are.

How many of us have known a pregnant 17 year old girl? Are all of their mother's to blame?

Idiots.

Posted by: resigned | September 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Change for Obama? Biden? Wow, now that is change - a life long politician...and I beg to differ....Palin has more experience than Obama...and better judgement...uh, like attending church with the Reverend and a wife that is a bitter black woman...

Posted by: pete | September 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Ever notice that Liberals are the vast majority responding to articles. Why is that? Don't libs have jobs? Yes, some do, but they just don't work at work. They rely on conservatives to do the work.

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

McShame is making a mockery out of this election, plain and simple!
Palin's a friggen joke, the GOP says a senator with 4 years under his belt is not experienced to lead this country, how about a govenor with 2 years under her belt? GOP calls that experience? especially since McShame could easily drop dead at any second!
Next, what about trooper-gate, a govenor who utilizes her executve power for personal vindication really shows the country how she would lead now doesn't it?
Third, Palin barks and barks about abstinence in schools & won't allow for condoms to be distributed and her own 17 year old is knocked up? THAT IS PLAIN HYPOCRACY, which IS a Repuklican motto!

This simply shows how poor of judgement McShame really has! He is NOT qualified to be President which is displayed by his failure as a fighter pilot!

I rest my case - OBAMA ALL THE WAY IN NOVEMBER - NOW MORE THAN EVER!

Posted by: luvwknd | September 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

SEXISM at it's best:
The birth of Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama to a teenaged mother has received little attention, although Obama himself has raised it. Debate about his ability to balance work and parenthood of his two young daughters, aged 7 and 10, has barely been raised. And his wife who is/was working in Management at the University of Chicago Hospitals and is on the board of directors of TreeHouse Foods. So why should it matter with Palin--Is it just because she is a woman! Doesn't her husband take an active role in help raising the kids.

The problem with this country is not being prejudice of one's color but of One's sex.

America grow up.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans are going on and on about how the media should not be attacking Palin.
They just want the media to "lay off" so nothing else comes out about her. It is the media's job,
however, to protect the American people. If she can't stand the heat, she should get out of
the kitchen. She is running for an office a heartbeat away from the presidency. We have the
right as citizens of the United States to know everything about this person. She called Hiliary
Clinton a whiner so she should not mind all the scutiny she is getting as take it like a person
running for vice president. It is appalling that the party has to tutor her. It is appalling that she is
such a terrible mother. Someone pointed out at the convention tonight that she is such a wonderful
role model balanced family and office. Well, so far I am not impressed. No one thinks that
Jamie Lee's mother is a good role model. I am still not convinced that Trig is not her grandson.
Too many things don't add about about that whole pregnancy. The Republican party should insist
on a DNA test. This whole situation is so wrong!!! I am so sick of all the lies--Iraq has weapons of
mass destruction, we are not using torture, we did not leak out a CIA agent's identity. The Republican
party has no integrity whatsoever.

Posted by: nan | September 3, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The McCain Campaign is hiding behind a pregnant 17-year old, claiming that any questions about their poor judgement "crosses the line"

Forget about the pregnant teen. Palin was the earmark queen. She hired a lobbyist with Abramoff ties to bring home $24 mil in bacon to the 6,000 residents of Wasilla, Ak.

Palin tried to ban books in the Wasilla library. In a move stunningly reminiscent of Monica Goodling (writ small) she fired anybody in the city government who supported her opponent.

There is plenty of reason to question McCain's judgement without bringing up teh pregnant teen.

If the press lets themselves be cowed over the heap of real questions based on the whines of "privacy" by the McCain campaign, it proves that they are in the tank for him.

BTW, when McCain's spokesman says he has never seen such a "feeding frenzy" I guess he missed the Lewinsky affair - you know, the affair that Palin's lawyer now says was a "partisan witch hunt"

Posted by: ajg | September 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I do recall Bill Clinton was impeached for his improper conduct (character) while in the service of his country (in the Oval Office), but how soon we forget...and he was President for 8 years.

My mother born me when she was 18 and my grandfather born a downsyndrome child. The world didn't come to an end. We're all very happy and well adjusted. We're very loving family and stick together. Doctors told my grandparents to abort, they refused. She has been the light of our lives ever since.

Leave Palin alone, you're just jealous she has a backbone.

You should be upset with Obama. He should have picked Hilliary--then you'd be jumping for joy. Better yet, Hilliary should have divorced Bill Clinton--she would have had a much better chance at becoming President herself showing she had a backbone.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

So essentially the only real objections to Sarah Palin require a carefully crafted deconstruction of her character laced with subjective insights spanning several pages of text.

Just something everyone should understand: The most 'personal' of details blurted out on blogs about people are the most impossible to validate and are often as not the most easily manufactured. Lace these lies with sugary facts and people (dumb people) just gulp them down.

(scoffs at Christopher)

Posted by: BobC | September 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The comment posted by dcsdccscs is false. The oil lobby in Alaska, for the most part does not like nor support Palin. She raised the taxes on the oil companies by 25% recently, making Alaska oil taxes tied for the highest in the world. And someone should ask about the AGIA (AK Gasline Inducement Act),fiasco!

Posted by: AK Man | September 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

You gotta love a conservative who calls anyone who disagrees with them 'liberal' and then goes on to call them 'sexist morons'. Are all liberals male? Or can female liberals be morons too? That's quite an argument. Very mature. So, in other words, if you don't agree absolutely and without question with the people who support this unqualified choice of McCain's you are a liberal, sexist, moron. Hmmm. Puts me in mind of another group of people like that, only at the time they were referred to as Nazis. Don't think, don't question, all we ask from you is blind obedience. Yup, sounds about the same to me.

Posted by: redjag | September 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I am really excited about McCains choice for VIP. I will definately now be back in the vote for the Republican party. Sarah Palin, is one of us. I can definately relate to her and really agree with her politics. As far as her daughter is concerned, that is a private matter for them to have to deal with. Let's quit casting stones.

Posted by: northwest | September 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The McPalin Hypocrisy Express
2 09 2008

What is it with Republicans and unqualified women? Harriet Miers, Monica Goodling and now Sarah Palin. Palin is an inept hack in the mold of GeeDubya. No wonder the nitwits who want to keep strangling America for the next four years love her. Is Palin really the best qualified person to take the reigns when McCain keels over? Is she better than every other Republican in America? Are her gifts so great that they simply must be shared with the nation? Is there no other Republican who is up to the task?

McCain has portrayed Obama as the high risk choice, the one whose inexperience renders him unfit for the job. McCain has said it, his GOP flacks have said it and so have the conservative pundits. Why wouldn’t McCain choose someone who appears to be more experienced than Obama? Has the right wing been lying to us all this time about how experience matters? Yes, they have because McCain’s selection proves that to him experience doesn’t matter at all. Appeasing the base and winning elections are more important than what is right for the country. At least Bush had the sense to pick a running mate who could help him govern.

McCain intended for the world to to be buzzing about what a bold, “maverick” move he had made. Instead we get treated to a hypocritical fundamentalist soap opera. These are the people who preach abstinence, but don’t practice it. Palin is proud of Bristol’s “decision” to keep her baby but the Governor would deny that choice to everyone else, even to save the life of the mother. They throw Bristol to the wolves to squelch a rumour about whether the baby with Down’s is actually Bristol’s then complain that her privacy is being violated. All they had to do was produce a birth certificate and some eye witnesses. Of course we know that McCain believes children should be off limits since he once joked that Chelsea Clinton is so ugly because Janet Reno is her father.

The McCain campaign is one gigantic, sick joke. His failure to vet properly, if at all, shows astonishingly poor judgement. This is not some high stakes craps game (which McCain is known to enjoy), what is at stake is the future of our country. The idea that McCain would actually ask the voters to consider putting their future in the hands of Sarah Palin is just nuts. I have a feeling that Palin will soon announce that she needs to spend more time with her family.”

Posted by: snoopy | September 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

she want to give a State away and her child drinking of some web site, they have photos.Where is Dad ? The mayor of Cleveland has all the skills is he ready?Does anybody just flat out lie anymore?Its all ways a misspoke or you did not under stand. someone earlier one said that GOP will vote for any GOP member like GOP frist USA number 2. Mc Cain just say the same thing Obama said after a week or so....like duh. Mc Same has no new ideas ,vote for him means what will happen? anyone ????? Smoke and mirrior! you ask about there plan and he talk about obama?
Ps I am from Cleveland

Posted by: Natoir | September 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Love those sexist liberal comments. Keep them coming.

Scratch a liberal and you will find a sexist everytime.

Posted by: sarah | September 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"So he made this incredibly inappropriate choice.."


Opinions coming from Democrats about the Republican VP choice means nothing.

You are all just blowing hot air.

It's not like any of you were going to vote for her anyways.

Posted by: 344987 | September 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans are going on and on about how the media should not be attacking Palin.
They just want the media to "lay off" so nothing else comes out about her. It is the media's job,
however, to protect the American people. If she can't stand the heat, she should get out of
the kitchen. She is running for an office a heartbeat away from the presidency. We have the
right as citizens of the United States to know everything about this person. She called Hiliary
Clinton a whiner so she should not mind all the scutiny she is getting as take it like a person
running for vice president. It is appalling that the party has to tutor her. It is appalling that she is
such a terrible mother. Someone pointed out at the convention tonight that she is such a wonderful
role model balanced family and office. Well, so far I am not impressed. No one thinks that
Jamie Lee's mother is a good role model. I am still not convinced that Trig is not her grandson.
Too many things don't add about about that whole pregnancy. The Republican party should insist
on a DNA test. This whole situation is so wrong!!! I am so sick of all the lies--Iraq has weapons of
mass destruction, we are not using torture, we did not leak out a CIA agent's identity. The Republican
party has no integrity whatsoever.

Posted by: nan | September 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"Obama may have been "vetted"...but with kid gloves by the media that are in the tank for him. They refuse to take him to task for his past associations with the likes of Rezko, Rev. Wright, etc...and he gets a pass on his lack of real leadership experience and lack of accomplishments. And he's at the top of the Obama-Bi(nla)din ticket!"

Then why has the coverage of Obama shown to be more negative than that of McCain?

http://www.cmpa.com/Studies/Election08/election%20news%207_29_08.htm

Ouch, that really puts a hole in your little theory there, well more of giant, gaping crater. Seriously, though, what is it like to be a conservative and be wrong almost all the time? Don't you get tired of being wrong, or is ignorance some sort of sport or hobby to you people?

Posted by: tweldy | September 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

As your precious anti-christ leader obama put it, family matters are not for our discussion. obama is a racist, unpatrriotic, muslim, arabic, utopian seeking, unqualified, overglorified NOTHING, who's very american heritage is a huge question. So, lay off Palin. So her daughter is having a baby. I'm glad that is the biggest problem with the country!! I am so changing my party. I'm disgusted to be a Democrat anymore!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

John McCain has found in Sarah Palin someone that he can slap around.

Posted by: Ron | September 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Just because McCain can make the right choice quickly, he shouldn't be admonished, he should be praised.

Palin will knock it out of the park tonight. I am so excited to see a strong woman on the ticket in '08. It is about time!

Posted by: Adriana McMillan | September 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"Liberals are sexist morons.

Liberals never asked the same questions of Obama. " Posted by: sarah


This has got to be the most unintelligent post I've ever read. Where do conservative nitwits get the NERVE to complain after corporate conglomerates took over the media? There is NO liberal media, it is all in your shrinking heads.

Palin is just another example of how Bush's ability to select unqualified people for very demanding and specific jobs. McSAME does the SAME!!!

Posted by: iH8uAll | September 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse


Now try to delete this again, WA POST.

Washington Post, CNN, and TIMEs, where are your judgements when you focus your news reporting effort on a 17 years old girl's pregnancy?
Mccain can talk to Palin on the phone, and it's not for you to judge it. As far as I know, Palin has energized republicans, and you call this choice is wrong? the only one has problems are you, liberal media.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I think that she should be taken off the ticket.

She should stay home and take care of her 5 month old BABY.

Not to mention the grandkid she'll probably get pinned with, because no 17 year old WANTS to take care of a baby.

Sexually irresponsible... CAN'T RUN A COUNTRY!

Posted by: Liberty | September 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Mc Cains judgement!!!!


What kind of b ---s-- t is that? Incredible that Ayers – the guy, whose house Obama used for his very first fundraiser, is still walking the streets rather than being buggered in some federal penitentiary.
Barak Obama, every dimension of his life is a lie but yet America is caught up in his soaring rhetoric of: hope, change, and future.
The media's goal it is to protect the public about this very dangerous Marxist while those of us who have this information tip toe around petrified to say anything in fear we might offend someone who will spin on their heels with spittle coming out of their mouths and their eyeballs rolling back in their heads saying ; "Bush!!! , Halliburton!!"

Is the obsession for revenge against Bush's best efforts prosecution of the war so strong that the country has to be handed over to Communists?

WTF ; 85,000 American boys died fighting Communism in my lifetime and we can't talk about the fact that Obama is 3rd generation Communist?

Posted by: rtfanning | September 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Sarah: "Liberals are sexist morons. Liberals never asked the same questions of Obama."

Try not to make such sweeping generalizations. It just makes you look dumber than the people you're trying to insult.

And for the person (christopher) who posted a novel... please stop. This might be the time to enforce some sort of maximum character count for posts. Keep your propaganda to yourself.

Now: I don't think that anyone, be you conservative, media, liberal, et cetera, should be attacking Palin's daughter.

I do think it's entirely fair game to realize Palin's record (which includes a DUI, albeit 22 years ago). The fact that it seems McCain made the pick out of desperation should be entirely focused upon. This is the most important act of his campaign. And it looks like he did it because he was desperate to shock and surprise, throw off the Obama camp, and tell women everywhere, "Look! She has a uterus too! Vote for boobs!" Well done, Sir. You've really done it this time.

Posted by: Britton Burdick | September 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I think Palin is an awful pick, too clever by half, and simply not prepared for the potential responsibilities required of the office. But, I think an important development here about the rapid expansion of women's rights on the right. Historically, right wng conservatives have been hostile to working mother, going so far as to blame working moms who use day care as the source of of most dire social ills. Dobson is a big fan of this view. A specious argument to be sure but what a transformation now. Gov. Palin has a good job in a community that is the foundation of her family. He daughter is going to marry an adolescent guy and will need the support of friends and family in Wasilla. Until this week, folks on the right would say she should stay put her family first and her personal career ambitions aside. Not now. Ambitious moms can and should be able to pursue their career opportunities and it is great to have all the conservatives and religious finally recognizing that fact. The question is will they quite beating up on the rest of working women -- especially those who work in less spectacular jobs -- who make the same choice to pursue careers, and must use daycare to fit their families in as best they can?

Posted by: Peter | September 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

If McCain had made such a "disastrous" choice going with Sarah Palin, why are libs going nuts over her? If she is such a "disaster" for McCain, that should make them happy!

Libs and the MSM are scared, because they know this Republican ticket can win...and their "messiah" could be on his way out. I certainly hope so!

McCain-Palin '08

Posted by: NObama | September 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

@sarah

You say that liberals are sexist morons, and that they never ask the same questions of Obama.

OK. Perhaps that's because only Palin needs to answer these questions, e.g. whether Palin abused her power, why Palin racked up massive debt while mayor of a hamlet, why she failed to report her corporate interests as a candidate (in violation of the law), why she was knee-deep in pork barreling, and why she thinks it's God's will that we build an oil pipeline in Alaska.

If Obama was as neck-deep in this kind of corruption and incompetence, he never would have made it this far. And don't float Tony Rezko at me. Rezko went to trial, and there's no unsavory connections between the two, as much as the right may want. The fact is, Palin's dirty laundry is just being aired, and there's no telling how bad this is all going to stink.

Palin's selection was a slap in the face to America, and to all the qualified women in the GOP, like Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Condi Rice, and Christine Todd Whitman, to name a few.

Posted by: SexistMoron? | September 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaska Indpendence Party, whos stated goals are to secede from the United States.

The founder of the AIP was violently anti-America. He even refused to be buried under an American flag.

Obama doesn't wear and flag pin and he's considered not patriotic.
Palin joins an anti-American group and she's okay?

I don't think so.

She is a bad choice for America

Posted by: Spencer Falco | September 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The right-wing, uber-conservative, christians are making this about Palin's extreme pro-life stance. They could care less that we are involved in two wars, tens of millions of Americans are without insurance, our planet is being destroyed, college is completely unaffordable, our relationships around the world have been destroyed, on and on . . .

Posted by: David | September 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I find it hard to believe that anyone outside the hard core religious right will support a candidate who is on record as opposing an abortion for a young girl who has been raped. Palin's record on sex education and extreme views on abortion are not shared by the majority of Americans.

Posted by: john k | September 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

His pick was genius.

You self absorbed libs think it was about Hillary.

It wasn't

Conservative males and females alike love her.

A demographic McCain previously was having trouble with.

Not anymore!

Posted by: 344567 | September 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

My guess is that McCain's staff ran the numbers on every possible running mate and the polls showed him losing with all of them. So he made this incredibly inappropriate choice...I can see McCain strategists now..."it's so crazy it just might work"

Posted by: sigh | September 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Gramps has no judgment and this dumb arse pick for VP should be all the proof anyone needs. This lady was mayor of a city smaller than some colleges. There are college class presidents with greater governing authority. She is governor of a state with a population smaller than many American cities. As a Sen. from IL Sen. Obama answers to 13 million residents. This lady answers to about 600,000.

How can she run the US when she has not shown an ability to run her own household? How can she legislate to millions of women what they can do with their bodies yet her own daughters illicit and immoral behavior is a private matter?

Posted by: christopher | September 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Palin can't even convince her children not to have premarital sex. How is she going to persuade world leaders. McCain, you "Palin card" failed.

Posted by: Marjorie | September 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Republican Convention theme Tuesday... "Country First". Talk about Double-speak! The pick of Palin was a "Campaign/Election First" action... NOT 'Country First'. No, this is not about Palin - it's about McCain's character, and now we know more than we did before!

Posted by: Curtis in Georgia | September 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse


The reality is that Palin is a token VP. The only reason a white woman was chosen is because there were no qualified black candidates available or any other minority group. Palin was as close as the GOP could get to a minority.

This is the same scare tactic that the Soviets used in their early space program when they sent that teacher lady up. The problem is that this guarantees the USA is a laughing stock for the rest of the globe. McCain is telling the world that just about any mom can be a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world. How well will you sleep at night with a hockey mom's finger on the button?

Posted by: Angry Itch | September 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I am the definitive left-wing conspiracy theory nut-job. I think the Iraq War is a total profiteering scam and 911 was an absolute hoax. I'm pro choice, pro-gay rights and 100% anti-fairy tale education (creationism).

That said... I got it baaaad, soooo baaaad. I'm hot for teacher.

Mr. Obama, when you win can Mrs. Palin please have a some menial cabinate position where I can look at her in those sexy librarian glasses.... please.

What is it about these nutty republican women that drives me crazy? Get out of my head Dana Perino!

Posted by: Mr. Austin | September 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

To the Author, Doug Feaver... Are you kidding... Are you really getting paid to read the blogs and paste them together?

Posted by: Rob | September 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"She's a senior in high school you lame idiots, how old was your parent when they had you?"

Are you saying that it is normal to be born to 17 year old near-children? Is that what you're attempting to imply here? If so, conservatives are even more crazy that I thought.

Posted by: TJ Weldy | September 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Obama may have been "vetted"...but with kid gloves by the media that are in the tank for him. They refuse to take him to task for his past associations with the likes of Rezko, Rev. Wright, etc...and he gets a pass on his lack of real leadership experience and lack of accomplishments. And he's at the top of the Obama-Bi(nla)din ticket!

McCain/Palin '08

Posted by: NObama | September 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Palin would force daughter to carry rapist's baby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MybPhpEydZo
Q: I will, but if your daughter had been raped, would that be something you would feel?
Palin: Again, I would choose life.

Posted by: JOE | September 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are idiots. They cry 'sexist' at the same time their 'family values' are, clearly, sexist ideology personified. McSame's thinking that he could draw in Hilary PUMAs with this Palin choice is sexism personified. The fact that the hicks at the convention are lauding Palin's daughter is pure hypocrisy. What about the fact that Palin slashed funding for pregnant teen mothers in Wassila? What about the fact that Palin is in the pocket of big oil?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

He made the perfect choice.

Look at your reactions.

Conservatives will come out in droves.

Obama who?

He's not the media darling anymore!!!!

Posted by: Thank goodness | September 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

@doug...where were you when you were doing this to Obama?

Other shoe has dropped, now take your own medicine.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The Alaska age of consent laws are unique. The age of consent in Alaska is 16. This is the age at which an individual may consent to have sex with someone over 18, legally, in Alaska. It applies both to heterosexual and homosexual acts.

The minimum age to marry in Alaska is 18. People under the age of 18 can marry with the consent of both parents. The prospective bride and groom should bring certified birth certificates, and their parents should present valid identification.

Posted by: Raymond | September 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm just praying I see the day that 'heartbeat' exits the vernacular.

Posted by: George | September 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The greatest measure of McCain's lack of judgment is his selection of Palin as VP candidate. He didn't know what he didn't know and yet he jumped in with both feet. We don’t know Palin at all, and apparently neither does McCain. He had to look down at his cheat sheet to get her name when he introduced her. He spent about fifteen minutes in total speaking with her prior to the announcement of her candidacy. His decision to go along with this candidate speaks worlds about McCain’s poor judgment. Palin has not been thoroughly vetted, he just sent a team to Alaska to nose around, and this is a serious lapse in judgment. . If as claimed, McCain knew about the poor kid who is pregnant, as totally irrelevant as that is, he had to also have known there would be a huge media storm distracting from his campaign. Furthermore, she is deeply involved in a political scandal concerning abuse of her official powers. Is this the best the Republican Party has to offer?? A lightweight, anti-choice, creationist, anti-animal, anti-environment, pro-oil candidate who won her limited fame on right-wing radio talk shows? The thought that she would be a heartbeat away from the presidency in light of her gross inexperience and McCain's age and health- is absolutely terrifying. More importantly, McCain has clearly demonstrated significant lack of judgment which disqualifies him for the highest office in the land.

Posted by: jefflz | September 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

JOhn McShame
paralysed judgement first before everything....

Posted by: harry | September 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Sitting afar in the UK the choice of Palin seems bizarre indeed.

I have watched and read a number of reviews and still cannot see the plus side in this choice. Re-affirming the links between the oil companies and republican politics surely will not help. Gun control, a confused and convulted position on unmarried sex and abstinance plus the obvious lack of political experience would be alarming enough. Does she have appeal for female voters ? I somehow doubt it when she gets to actually say something.

Will she actually last until the election- well just one more revelation might tip the balance.

Posted by: Terry Coles | September 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Washington, CNN, TIMES, where are your judgments when you focus your news reporting efforts on a 17 years old girl's pregnancy?
It's not for you to decide if McCain has vetted Palin or not. He can talk to her on the phone, and why is it so important if the republican base is so fired up and ready to go once they know the pick is Sarah? It seems the only ones having a problem is you, liberal media.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

While the arguments that Senator McCain exercised poor judgment in selecting Gov Palin have some merit, I am also troubled by the way the McCain campaign has handled the release of information about her. If we take their claim that they knew everything about her due to the vetting process, I have to ask why they appear not to have a plan for managing the release of such information? At every turn, they are reacting - they have not proactively blunted any of the allegations about Gov Palin. For example, we found out about her daughter's pregnancy when the campaign was trying to refute the rumor that Gov Palin's youngest child is actually her grandchild. "No," says the campaign "Gov Palin's daughter is currently pregnant - and therefore could not have delivered Trig four months ago." Ok, you win the point, but couldn't that have been handled better? More troubling than personal family issues are the allegations about her interference in a state trooper's firing, her failure to report a business interest on financial disclosure forms and her have-it-both-ways positions on corruption and earmarks. Forget the pregnant kid, or the husband's support for Alaskan seccession - what kind of politician is Gov Palin and how does her selection reflect on Senator McCain's judgment and decision making process?

Posted by: bsimon | September 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I AM A REPUBLICAN AND I WANT SOMEONE WHO NOT A HIPOCRITE.

WHAT A FREAKING HIPOCRITE AND LIAR... THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT FOR MY VICE PRESIDENT.

Posted by: MAX M | September 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"how irresponsible his decision was."


Myself and alot of people I know love his choice, and subsequently will be voting for the ticket.

Don't vote for her if you don't like her.

Posted by: Obviously | September 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, the Republican here STILL DONT GET IT.

This is NOT about the pregnancy, it is about the hypcorsy of the parents and McCain and the Republican party when it comes to the demonization if liberal teenage mothers and the failure within the family...not to mention the complete failure of abstenence only sex-ed.

Commnet on that why don't you....or will you just dodge the issue like all the GOP analyst on TV and all of McCain staff?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin was raised up by God to be nominated as the next vice president.
Surely if God could take a shepherd boy named David and make him king of Israel, He can surely can give her the wisdom and the ability to be vice president. People forget that a president has a cabinet with people to help rule that are given wisdom to them by God. Furthermore she was also was raised up by God to speak out against abortion which is one of the greatest sins of the US. Many men in office had the opportunity to speak out against abortion but did not. A baby is made in the image of God and abortion is destroying that one made in the image of God. Just because the US laws says abortion is legal does not make it legal in the sight of God. The US is being judged by God for this sin of murdering innocent babies. I wonder how many people who are pro-choice would have wanted their mother to have aborted them. I would think not many yes to that question. Faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ is the only hope for all people in regards to the judgment of sin that must be dealt with to be able to enter into Heaven. Aborted babies are issued directly into Heaven for they are not able to hear the gospel of the Jesus Christ but are covered by His shed blood on the cross. Because of God’s mercy, grace and love for those created in His image, helpless aborted babies are saved into heaven.

Posted by: Kenny Hott | September 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Is this Levi Johnston a pedophile? This is his second minor; the first was a 13 year old girl.

What a goon. Tasteless, amoral, freaks.

What a choice. I thought it was impossible for anyone to be as dumb as George W. and McCain proves me wrong on that.

Yea, this kind of shot from the hip mad man is just what America needs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"Something is definitely fishy here."


Yeah mom is running for VP, and can't be holding the child.

Mystery debunked Sherlock!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I keep reading about how we should leave this alone or it will backfire on us. So far I don't see any backfire. I am not going to let a senile, irresponsible old man make a decision that will effect my life. John McCain must really think that the American people are stupid and would not find out how irresponsible his decision was. He must have hung out with George Bush a little too much.

Posted by: Ron | September 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Isn't a sort of oil candidate from alaska? And would this not include large amounts of campaign funding? From an oil industry perspective this ticket makes alot of sense.

Posted by: dcsdccscs | September 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

the mainstream media continues to act like the National Inquirer. such bias and sensationalism is disgusting.

Posted by: Doug | September 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

What questions are those Sarah?

Obama was thouroghly vetted and is still being vetted. He won elections over well qualified candidates.

McCain single handedly picks an unknown woman who no one voted for.

The differences are huge.

Again, you Republcian with your ambiguous nonsense.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

She's a senior in high school you lame idiots, how old was your parent when they had you?

Posted by: wake up | September 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I still need to know why Palin's daughter Bristol is always holding Trig. Something is definitely fishy here. Has anyone produced Trig's birth certificate? It sure looks like Bristol could be the mother: Bristol's esxtended absence from school last year for "mono"; the Gov's almost invisible pregnancy; no signs of post-partum energy drop or normal recovery period; the Gov's strange trip on two flights and a long car ride from Houston (where they have hospitals and doctors) to Wasilla to sequester for Trig's birth; and the arms-lenth behavior of the Gov toward Trig in most photos.

Also, what about the son in the Army? Does he have any children? (fair question given this family)

Posted by: roboturkey | September 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

There have been reports that she might be picked since July! The media is telling lies. If I though she might be picked in July, I am sure McCain did as well.

Posted by: Rachel | September 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

What ever takes the media glare off your lame, inexperienced candidate Barry...

Posted by: Who Cares | September 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Many states have an age of consent at 16, meaning there is nothing illegal for them to have sex with an 18 year old. There is plenty of scandal to go around with this story though I suspect statutory rape is not one of them.

Posted by: Re: Minor | September 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Showing how behind the times the so-called mainstream media is - this whole meme was debunked two days ago.

Even if it weren't - where was the media on investigating Palin? She was suggested as a possible VP pick back in June of last year, she was on every short list I saw for the last few months, she was my pick in PJ Media's veepstakes... and you never bothered to look at her until now?

Posted by: gawaine | September 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Let them drink cola

Posted by: catclaw | September 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

@Minor. You give the Republicans too much credit.

They are still learning what irony is..

...next, they will tackle hypocrisy.

Maybe they'll "get it" one day

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The Truth About Sarah Palin:

Dear friends,

So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
common: their gender and their good looks. :)

You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts
with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on
any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

Thanks,
Anne

ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.
Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more
City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby.
There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly
sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his
work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or
so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything
like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was
still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers
involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's
surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas
or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by
her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the
basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents
rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's
attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew
her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the
Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for
Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin
fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power
to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated"
her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top
cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure
and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that
an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't
fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation
for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she
later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't
like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great
job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the
high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the
structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some
undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit,
exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel
politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to
nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant
she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.
They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and
predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly
stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's
mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march
to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state
initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's
lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar
bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
*"NRA supporter": absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby
BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
explaining actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
streets to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
government in Wasilla's history.
*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting
programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne, last name redacted

Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local
government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because
few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out
of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no
fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will
cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The
day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the
current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Posted by: christopher | September 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The shocking thing about this pick is that there are a large number of citizens that will push their 'conservative' ideology and support any candidate that is on their side of the fence regardless of how dangerous it is to this country. This woman abuses power without even a hint of subtlety in attempting to fire a police officer because he's divorcing her relative, she clings to the policy of abstinence only education as if her teen daughter wasn't proof of its epic failure, she was a member of a party that wanted to secede from the union, and she has worked the pork barrel system to bring federal money in to Alaska while claiming to be against irresponsible spending. Abuse of power, ignoring facts, putting the country last, and hypocrisy: the new principles of the Republican party. I guess the question must be asked: is the conservative movement intentionally destroying America?

Posted by: tweldy | September 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Liberals are sexist morons.

Liberals never asked the same questions of Obama.

Posted by: sarah | September 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Forget the daughter. How about that Alaskan Independence Party? TPM says Palin's husband was part of a group that hates America as much as Rev Wright:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_professed_hatred_f.php

Posted by: Riverbear | September 3, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Where is the justice when it comes to having sex with minor (in this case is Sarah Palin's daughter)? Does justice have double standard?

Posted by: Minor | September 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

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