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Angry McCain, Cool Obama

More of our Readers Who Comment seem to be scoring last night's presidential candidates debate for Democrat Barack Obama at the hour this is written, but it is by no means unanimous.

Their comments on Dan Balz's analysis include cheerleading for both sides. But many presumably Democratic-leaning comment writers gave Obama credit for coolness under fire and chide McCain for anger and numerous eye tics.

The readers also discussed tax and economic policies, the suitability of McCain's vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, and a late-in-the debate exchange on a woman's right to abortion if her health is threatened, which Obama supported. McCain's response, "That's the extreme pro-abortion position, quote, 'health.' " has generated several comments.

As for Joe the Plumber, mentioned 23 times during the debate, he declined to say this morning on Good Morning America whom he would vote for.

We'll start with fougasseu, who said nice things about both candidates but scored the debate for Obama, saying he "...won by deftly counterpunching and wearing his opponent out. Give McCain credit: He's authentic. I personally like his anger. It's real. After years of frauds like Reagan and Bush 1 and Bush 2, it's refreshing to see a real person represent the GOP, warts and all."

krishna5002 wrote that "This was McCain's best performance. He kept Obama on defensive. Obama was cool and calm and his answer to McCain offense was a goofy smile. Obama should have fought back. He is too cautious and did not want to take any chance or commit any mistake..."

But keedrow said,"I'm surprised Obama didn't lose his cool because McCain was simply angry and rude."

And loan4ever wrote, "Sen. Obama missed the opportunity to show leadership and statesmanship. Instead, he lost his credibility and made a fool of himself. Even Joe Plumber is smarter than this selfish and arrogant Sen. Obama..."

And htimothyjones said, "If Joe Wurzelbacher had been McCain's running mate instead of Sarah Palin, he would likely not be down double digits mere days before the election. too little, too late: McCain sold out."

nagamas1 wrote, "...To the undecided, I would just add this... do you really want Palin to take the presidency in case McCain gets sick or have to retire? Do you really want her or her husband in charge of the FBI, CIA and the Pentagon? It will be Dr Strangelove..."

kkampf527 wrote, "I don't think McCain did a bad job in the debate last night but he didn't win in my opinion. He seemed desperate to make something stick to Obama that might pursuade people he's different but the truth is that the accusations carry no weight when we are watching our economy go down the toilet..."

johnbsmrk said, "Although this analysis acknowledges Obama's cool demeanor it seems to take no account of McCain's demeanor and body language... Eye rolls, eyebrow raises, relentless smirking, interruptions, a full deer in the headlights at one point, dismissive gestures on women's health. It was bizarre..."

wbvicari agreed, writing, "McCain must've blinked about 50 x's a minute. He looked uptight, fumbled with some words, seemed like he's a loose cannon and wanted to slap Obama. I'm an Arizonan, but I don't like the "feel" I get from McCain..."

odin966 predicted that "...The race is all but over. Sound bites and folksiness is not what America needs in these difficult times. Reason, an even tempermanet and good judgement are the qualities we need. I am confident that Obama will surround himself with a good team..."

ghuntcustom said, "Tonight, John McCain showed he doesn't care about women's health when [in a discussion about abortion] he described protecting "the health of the woman" as "extreme." John McCain doesn't seem to understand that women's health matters... Barack Obama, on the other hand, stood up for women's health."

MadWorld wrote, "If Joe [the plumber] makes more than 250,000, then he should be paying more taxes. Not to mention Obama's plan exempts small businesses, and he is taxing individuals, not organizations. McCain looked like a crazed old man tonight."

skrut003 said, "McCain blew it when he got onto the Ayers stuff. That was foolish. And what was up with some of those looks McCain gave? In the end, he just seemed too emotional and unpresidential."

Fordson61 wrote, "...McCain decried negative campaigning and then spent ten minutes doing so by mentioning Ayers etc... His image on the screen was one of a slightly dottering, testy old man. he defense of his health care program was incompetent... This debate has finished him off."

vdkelly said, "McCain and the other neo-cons only agree with 'spreading the wealth' when we tax payers have to bail them out of bad financial situations (e.g. airlines, wall street, etc.). Corporate welfare is okay but tax fairness, well that's just un-american..."

And lindakinne replied, "vdkelly, you are so right. McCain offers absolutely nothing new that benefits the middle class, our children, or this country. His "new" economic plan just panders to older, retired voters..."

But forget@menot.com wrote, "Obama offered nothing but smirks and smugness. He was vague about his policies and promised a whole lot of stuff without actually going into detail about how he's going to pay for it. He had the typical liberal attitude of I know what's better for you than you do... "

We'll close with nuke41, who provided analysis with which I totally agree: "The real winner was Bob Schieffer, who did a much better job than the other moderators."

All comments on this analysis are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  October 16, 2008; 7:32 AM ET
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McCain likes to lie and say Obama will "raise your taxes!" to scare voters, nothing but an absolute lie. Obama's tax plan is very clear cut and will lower taxes for 95% of Americans. The 5% who will pay higher taxes are the wealthiest Americans who wouldn't be wealthy if it were not for the rest of the American people who have worked so hard for so many years to create the prosperity we once enjoyed. Those who have grabbed all of our money, in the trillions, in either tax cuts or WASTING it on Iraq like Bush has done OWE THE WORKING CLASS and it's time to pay up! This is now OUR time and we will take this country back from them if we have to rip it from their greedy hands. McCain likes to say as he did in the debate that if Obama raises taxes on the wealthy, their companies won't be able to hire people and create jobs? Well I have this to say Mr. BS artist McCain, for 8 years YOU supported Bush and his huge tax cuts for the wealthy, and we now have the biggest jobless rate in US history and the most dismal economy since the great depression, so take your lame tax plan and economic agenda and STICK it. I'll take my chances on a serious departure from the failed policies of Bush, McCain and the Republicans and vote for Barack Obama for REAL change, that we need, desperately before America becomes one big wasteland, disaster area. OBAMA ALL THE WAY.

Posted by: Hillary08 | October 21, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

In Ayurvedic medicine, McCain would be a pitta dosha which means he might have a hot temper, a short fuse and a need to control and dominate. The angry presentation seems so close to the surface even when he's doing his jokes and humor. Still, he has the gift to laugh at himself at the charity dinner and he's shown more friendly acknowledgement lately to Obama. Trouble is, that pit bull VP suits him. That shows poor judgment.

Posted by: GaiasChild | October 19, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Yes, only in America can a man who had a communist mentor and who says he wants to redistribute the wealth (Karl Marx) have the media and so many Americans brainwashed (Hitler) that he may be moving into the White House. American has lost its values and ethics.

A blog from the blue states said they, the blue states, were leaving the union. I seriously believe that the U.S. is so divided at this time that we will never recover and living in a red state, this bloggers sarcastic statement might be a good idea. Two nations out of one might solve the problem, as the patriots of nation do not want to live in a socialist state; we love and want democracy. Redistribution of the wealth i socialism.

Posted by: love234america | October 19, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
NOW MCCAIN call OBAMA a SOCIALIST LEADER.
The world love BARACK OBAMA.

OBAMA BIDEN 08...!!!@


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 19, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

ONLY IN AMERICA IS THIS POSSIBLE:
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For a fellow who defends his ignorance on computer use, by saying he "can't type" due to "war-hero damage", HE SURELY CAN AND CONTINUES TO peek and poke holes in the speakers table, WITH HIS FINGERS, every time he emphasizes his lies about Obama!

Just you watch him!

Posted by: ElMugroso | October 18, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA BIDEN 08...!!!


NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: fu_buki | October 18, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

>>No one put a stop to it.. although the GOP and McCain tried.. and were blocked by Dems.
Boo, the Dems couldn't even take a potty break without GOP consent until 2006, what alternate reality are you living in that you think "The Dems" stopped regulation of the banking industry in 2004?
Doe the name "Lindsey Graham" mean anything to you?

Posted by: dijetlo | October 18, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

To paraphrase a commercial: John McCain is not a maverick but he plays one on television.

Posted by: starquest | October 16, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Who was the real American Patriot at the debate last night? According to the McCain campaign and his friends at Fox News, in order to be a True American, you need to wear a flag pin. (Remember that character attack from McCain and friends back in the early summer????)

Watch the debate again. Can you spot the True American? He was wearing a flag pin.

I'll give you a hint. Since McCain made such a huge deal about wearing the flag, why wasn't he wearing the flag pin last night? Poor judgment? Lack of leadership? Or just the failing memory of a 72 year old man who is out of touch with America?

Every objective review indicates that Obama's plan for America is just better for Americans. And Obama has demonstrated the patience, leadership, and even-temperment of a President. McCain has simply offered a knee-jerk reactionary campaign based on lies and smear-tactics (or is that a strategy?)... I used to be a Republican until the Republicans abandoned Americans. I don't like the Democratic leaders of Congress. But I do support Barack Obama as the best opportunity to move our country forward again.

Posted by: radiocboy | October 16, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Re: Billy Graham's Prayer For Our Nation

The list is infinite, as old as humanity, and maybe even as old as McCane himself.

Here, join me in prayer-

Let us pray that we finally realize that our notion of ‘all men are created equal’ fails to account for the reality that all do not stay equal, and that a majority can be made from the lower intelligence median easier than it can from the upper median, and that the vote of the imbecile and that of the informed voter hold not the same value.

Let us pray that we at last understand that to blame the Bush Administration for the country’s problems is similar to blaming children left with loaded firearms to pass their time with.

Let us pray that we in some form evolve our democracy, and place the power of the electoral college in the hands of the voters, voters whose votes are weighed against some national criteria, perhaps of citizenship status, time in country, age, criminal record, community service, and education, so that future policies, debates, and talking points address the higher bar of the informed voter, and not the half-baked twisted truth found palatable by the rest.

Let us pray that we do these things, so that the sub-prime tail no longer wags the national dog, across all elected positions, and that candidates for elected positions be screened for Emotional IQ, and such results be made available to the people.

Amen.

Posted by: bushieisa | October 16, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Schneemans,
Could you try to say that in 500 words or less, and confine it to one post, please? I respect and respectfully disagree with your ideas, but if you want to share your manifesto with others, public forums are the wrong place. Try providing a link to a longer work with a brief summation of your ideas. Thanks for keeping the discussion open to everyone.

Posted by: rckstrdave | October 16, 2008 12:45 PM
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ALREADY DID'T..
THANK YOU!
GOD BLESS YOU!

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Billy Graham's Prayer For Our Nation

THIS GUY SURE HAS A GOOD VIEW OF WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THIS COUNTRY!

'Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values. We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery. We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare. We have killed our unborn and called it choice. We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable. We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self esteem. We have abused power and called it politics. We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition. We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression. We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment. Search us, Oh God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free.
Amen!'

Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on his radio program, 'The Rest of the Story,' and received a larger response to this program than any other he has ever aired. With the Lord's help, may this prayer sweep over our nation and wholeheartedly become our desire so that we again can be called 'One nation under God.'

If possible, please pass this prayer on to your friends. 'If you don't stand for something, you will fall for everything.'

Think about this: If you forward this prayer to everyone on your e-mail list, in less than 30 days it would be heard by the world. (It 's worth a try!) One Nation Under God.


God is so big He can cover the whole world with his Love

and so small He can curl up inside your heart.

May your Day be blessed.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Schneemans,
Could you try to say that in 500 words or less, and confine it to one post, please? I respect and respectfully disagree with your ideas, but if you want to share your manifesto with others, public forums are the wrong place. Try providing a link to a longer work with a brief summation of your ideas. Thanks for keeping the discussion open to everyone.

Posted by: rckstrdave | October 16, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain's unspoken but very real position on the middle class:

Don't give the middle class anything. That doesn't help me get elected. They are ignorant peasants and peons whom we can just manipulate with Ayers talking points and through their national pride and love of country. They will happily drink their six packs making me and my wife even richer! Yeah boy! Give the rich huge tax breaks so they will keep funding my political career. Now that is how to get richer and keep getting elected! Get all those Bush sponsors to back me for President by agreeing to give them BILLIONS in tax breaks!!

Posted by: mbshults | October 16, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Knowing that the corrupted are their slaves, the programmers have created two cultures in conflict, one of them opposed to the Founding Fathers’ intent. If they cannot get their way “democratically,” they will incite a civil war. Now do you see why the God-centered family is the target for destruction?

This toxic culture is no accident: it is the result of a sophisticated psycho-political battle for our minds and hearts. Awaken now---turn from your manipulators’ cunning and forgive them. Throw away your drugs and booze; come home to family through the truth that makes and keeps us free.


Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

It gets much worse. Let irrational debate grow to the point of paralyzing gridlock, to create an appearance of weakness that emboldens terrorists to blow up an entire city. Then point the finger of blame at the innocent---a father figure---for being responsible.

University-programmed journalists---elitist intellectuals and rebels against traditional fatherly discipline---with all their enabling feminine sensitivities, will then hail terrorists as heroes fighting for their rights against bullies.

Because propaganda alters our perception of reality, good becomes evil and evil becomes good, as in Nazi Germany. The biblical “Give us Barabbas” mentality is here again. It happened to Spain, and now witnesses the horror in Russia. Much worse is in store for America.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Then, when the programmers deem it time, they accuse the honorably elected of being tyrants and liars, just like their own rotten dads were. They use the “hate-your-father-love-your-mother” media to render those perceived deadbeat dads powerless and the nation leaderless.

One day, they intend to awaken millions of angry sleepers, reared by a matriarchal shadow underworld government, to run wild in the streets bringing their beloved despots to power.


Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

To confound us more, they promoted a debilitating dependency on “experts”; designed government “mental health” programs to make perversion, as well as mental and emotional illness, seem normal; threw money at social problems to produce wrong solutions; drove women out of their homes to work, leaving their children vulnerable; awakened unmanageable desires with obscene images; stimulated the young with pornography; glorified lowlife musicians and actors in order to sustain anti-social behaviors; made American family life cruel, base, and meaningless; doped up students to “learn”---and then blamed the whole mess on fathers and capitalism.

All this, to weaken our national resolve and render us suggestible to the demands of terrorists in every form.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

‘Joe the Plummer’ is nothing more than a Rovian card trick to cast the upper 5% as the lower 95%.

Next they will call Exxon-Mobil the good ‘ol oil change guys.

Posted by: bushieisa | October 16, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

They began by infiltrating our educational system and through that they made the government finance America’s own downfall. They dumbed down our children in government schools and enabled them to grow up from irresponsible teenagers into spoiled-rotten and immoral parents.

Then they praised and excused their victims’ wildness and let them believe they were acting from their own volition. They glorified that license as freedom; nurtured failings until it became hateful envy, and held up filth as art to arouse passions to the level of addiction

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama does have some very socialist ideas, as has be suggested here quite a few times. Obviously, this ruffles many feathers among hardcore libertarians and extreme Republicans. Personally, I feel oversized, overreaching government is a small step away from totalitarianism. But look at where deregulated, trickle-down economics has gotten us. Look at how the current administration has combined that with the biggest deficit spending in history, and the biggest expansion of government power ever. We, the People, saw nothing of this money. Not in our schools, healthcare, or crumbling infrastructure. It has all gone to destroying the Middle East (and rebuilding under no-bid government contracts) and bailing out airlines and financial institutions. So we can still fly on inefficient and polluting airplanes and get loans for houses and cars we can't afford, but our children are getting dumber and our health, economy, and infrastructure are falling apart. And they expect us to look at the low prices at Wal-Mart and be satisfied. They think we're stupid, but we are not.

Posted by: rckstrdave | October 16, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Because a nation with values is almost impossible to conquer, Communist and atheist strategists began their systematic attack upon the American family early in the 20 th century. They infiltrated our once-noble institutions of education, media, and government, so that the powerful few would dominate the docile many. The Soviet Union collapsed, but the seed, once planted here, took root. The result is two Americas in conflict, with the perpetrators of the quiet coup accusing the innocent.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Dear schneemans,

You suffer from delusions and need intervention or to get back on your medication.

Communism does not even exist in this world. It is not some grand scheme for world domination or evil shadow lurking at every corner.

Strong sentiment, either nationally or religious conviction, can be manipulated and twisted to do great evil. Look at the wars that have been fought.

They are typically driven by economic interests of a few elites, such as Putin and Bush, who manage to manipulate the masses through their strong sentiments.

It is rare that war is started by anything else. I would caution you to be wary of being propagandized and manipulated into supporting violence.

You belief can easily be used to get you to not think and just believe rhetoric. That, and you, are thus a dangerous element in our society.

Posted by: mbshults | October 16, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

In their blindness, people grope, and in their groping they blunder,
and when they blunder they get sick and create all sorts of problems.

Because of their fall from Truth people need doctors, lawyers,
Ministers, marriage counselors, psychologists—all kinds of problem
solvers who should never have come into being in the first place.

This enormously energetic and vocal firebrand philosopher claims
that every person who looks for a remedy finds a bigger problem at the
end of that remedy.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Interesting dialog... but you all are missing that the Neocons are the true socialists in this country.

So it seems that many people agree that socialism is bad, right? Don't you understand that the biggest perpetrators of socialism have been Bush and the Neocons?

Our economy is now socialized. The failure to provide MINIMAL regulatory oversight has driven us to socialism. The government is now forced to prop up our economy by buying ownership of banks.

Added is that they are now socializing the losses of huge private banks. Oh yeah, it is OK for big corporations to make huge windfall profits by manipulating the economy, but when there is the inevitable crash the Fed bails them out. Putting us the tax paying Joe six pack on the hook for billions and billions.

Bush, his cronies, Republicans generally, and McCain the other Neocons specifically have created a de-regulation nightmare of epic proportions. Creating the biggest economic disaster since the Great Depression.

We need a cool and level head to get us out of this mess and it can't be the same people who created it!

Posted by: mbshults | October 16, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

To confound us more, they promoted a debilitating dependency on “experts”; designed government “mental health” programs to make perversion, as well as mental and emotional illness, seem normal; threw money at social problems to produce wrong solutions; drove women out of their homes to work, leaving their children vulnerable; awakened unmanageable desires with obscene images; stimulated the young with pornography; glorified lowlife musicians and actors in order to sustain anti-social behaviors; made American family life cruel, base, and meaningless; doped up students to “learn”---and then blamed the whole mess on fathers and capitalism.

All this, to weaken our national resolve and render us suggestible to the demands of terrorists in every form.

Then, when the programmers deem it time, they accuse the honorably elected of being tyrants and liars, just like their own rotten dads were. They use the “hate-your-father-love-your-mother” media to render those perceived deadbeat dads powerless and the nation leaderless.

One day, they intend to awaken millions of angry sleepers, reared by a matriarchal shadow underworld government, to run wild in the streets bringing their beloved despots to power.

It gets much worse. Let irrational debate grow to the point of paralyzing gridlock, to create an appearance of weakness that emboldens terrorists to blow up an entire city. Then point the finger of blame at the innocent---a father figure---for being responsible.

University-programmed journalists---elitist intellectuals and rebels against traditional fatherly discipline---with all their enabling feminine sensitivities, will then hail terrorists as heroes fighting for their rights against bullies.

Because propaganda alters our perception of reality, good becomes evil and evil becomes good, as in Nazi Germany. The biblical “Give us Barabbas” mentality is here again. It happened to Spain, and now witnesses the horror in Russia. Much worse is in store for America.

Knowing that the corrupted are their slaves, the programmers have created two cultures in conflict, one of them opposed to the Founding Fathers’ intent. If they cannot get their way “democratically,” they will incite a civil war. Now do you see why the God-centered family is the target for destruction?

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

government “mental health” programs to make perversion, as well as mental and emotional illness, seem normal; threw money at social problems to produce wrong solutions; drove women out of their homes to work, leaving their children vulnerable; awakened unmanageable desires with obscene images; stimulated the young with pornography; glorified lowlife musicians and actors in order to sustain anti-social behaviors; made American family life cruel, base, and meaningless; doped up students to “learn”---and then blamed the whole mess on fathers and capitalism.

All this, to weaken our national resolve and render us suggestible to the demands of terrorists in every form.

Then, when the programmers deem it time, they accuse the honorably elected of being tyrants and liars, just like their own rotten dads were. They use the “hate-your-father-love-your-mother” media to render those perceived deadbeat dads powerless and the nation leaderless.

One day, they intend to awaken millions of angry sleepers, reared by a matriarchal shadow underworld government, to run wild in the streets bringing their beloved despots to power.

It gets much worse. Let irrational debate grow to the point of paralyzing gridlock, to create an appearance of weakness that emboldens terrorists to blow up an entire city. Then point the finger of blame at the innocent---a father figure---for being responsible.

University-programmed journalists---elitist intellectuals and rebels against traditional fatherly discipline---with all their enabling feminine sensitivities, will then hail terrorists as heroes fighting for their rights against bullies.

Because propaganda alters our perception of reality, good becomes evil and evil becomes good, as in Nazi Germany. The biblical “Give us Barabbas” mentality is here again. It happened to Spain, and now witnesses the horror in Russia. Much worse is in store for America.

Knowing that the corrupted are their slaves, the programmers have created two cultures in conflict, one of them opposed to the Founding Fathers’ intent. If they cannot get their way “democratically,” they will incite a civil war. Now do you see why the God-centered family is the target for destruction?

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

“Shock the victim, then accuse him of the crime you committed,” is a Soviet psycho-political warfare technique now used by Islamic terrorists upon the very country of its origin -- Russia. Typically, victims take on the identity of the terrorist or hostage-taker and, out of sympathy, turn on their friends, just as Patty Hearst once did. The Stockholm Syndrome---where hostages end up sympathizing with their terrorist abductors---works on entire nations, not just on individuals.

The Russian population might well have its loyalties converted in favor of the terrorists that recently slaughtered so many innocent children. Indeed, President Putin is already getting the blame. America is now primed for a final transforming shock.

Because a nation with values is almost impossible to conquer, Communist and atheist strategists began their systematic attack upon the American family early in the 20 th century. They infiltrated our once-noble institutions of education, media, and government, so that the powerful few would dominate the docile many. The Soviet Union collapsed, but the seed, once planted here, took root. The result is two Americas in conflict, with the perpetrators of the quiet coup accusing the innocent.

They began by infiltrating our educational system and through that they made the government finance America’s own downfall. They dumbed down our children in government schools and enabled them to grow up from irresponsible teenagers into spoiled-rotten and immoral parents.

Then they praised and excused their victims’ wildness and let them believe they were acting from their own volition. They glorified that license as freedom; nurtured failings until it became hateful envy, and held up filth as art to arouse passions to the level of addiction.

Posted by: schneemans | October 16, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Dear andytoh,

It is Obama's "moral compass" as you put it that is scary..... Wright, Ayers, Rezko, ACORN. He distances himslef from these people when he gets caught. 20 years of Wright. His spiritual menor. Married he and his wife. Sat in the pew for 20 years. Was this a strong "moral compass"?

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Did Sarah Palin's "Joe Six-pack" get a job as a "Plumber?" -- Not a "G. Gordon Liddy supporting McCain Watergate Plumber," I hope. ----John, You just keep getting sillier, and sillier and sillier with your debate "technique." You sounded more like Daffy Duck, even though you looked more like the stuffed cheek Chipmunks....Give your silliness a rest!

Posted by: benighse | October 16, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear PhillyLatina,

Thanks fr a VERY insightful and intelligent post. It is a rare thing on WashingtonPost.Com

We do have to agree that Obama is one smooth character. He has motivated voters ( Mickey Mouse, the Dallas Cowboys ) like never before in our history. People are angry at Washington and rightfully so. Both parties are partisan beyond belief and the angrer we feel is a result of them NOT doing their jobs.

The current economic crisis ( the fault of both parties over a period of years and years.. not of EVIL BUSH ) goes back to Fannie May and Freddie Mack backing hirrible loans and the Clinton administration pushing for loans for people who never should have qualified. The SNL skit had it right. The real estate market was out of control and greed took over in financial institutions and Govt.

No one put a stop to it.. although the GOP and McCain tried.. and were blocked by Dems. The house of cards has fallen not only in America but around the wolrd. I guess EVIL BUSH did it to the rest of the world too...

Lower taxes, cutting HIGH corp tax rates and enpowering people is the way to get out of this. Shifting the economy to a "new energy" economy is the right thing to do for all of us. Who wants to get us there? Who keeps their word? Those are the real questions. One man has stood up for Americans and fought his own party where need be. One VOTES PRESENT.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

It's good to see McCain palin' around with plumbers. He needs them because his campaign sprung a leak a long time ago.

Posted by: hamishdad | October 16, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The notion that somehow Obama got to where he is in this campaign because of his "charm and luck" and his eloquence is a complete disregard for millions of thinking Americans who have actually evaluated his plans and are won over by his very accurate reading of the key challenges facing America today, and thoughtfulness in his approach across healthcare, taxes, the economy, energy, foreign policy for America. What he has demonstrated as well is a temperament and a vision that has inspired millions of us to seek the best within ourselves to hope for unity, for change, and for better days. We can see from his proposals to his meticulous selection of advisors that his decisions are guided by a deeper need to solve our current challenges, and his very new and pragmatic ideas are guided by a moral compass pointing true north to the interests of everyday folks like you and me. Yes, he is new, but I think while you can hire experience, and you can buy knowledge, it is your inner moral compass that ultimately guides all your decisions. I strongly believe that Obama has the right ideas, intellect, and judgment to lead this country in a new direction.

Posted by: andytoh | October 16, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

MCCAIN INSULTED ALL PRO-CHOICE WOMEN AS FANATICS IF THEY BELIEVE "THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER" SHOULD EVER BE A CONSIDERATION IN A PERSONAL DECISION!!! .....MCCAIN INSULTED ALL REPUBLICANS WHO EVER SUPPORTED BUSH BY SAYING "I'M NO GEORGE BUSH AND WE HAD 8 YEARS OF HIS FAILED POLICIES." ....MCCAIN INSULTED ALL MIDDLE CLASS VOTERS BY IGNORING THEM!!.....THANK GOODNESS OBAMA WAS RIGHT ON ALL THE ISSUES THAT MATTER ON THE ECONOMY, HEALTHCARE, ENERGY POLICY, EDUCATION, AND LEADING AMERICA, WHILE ALL MCCAIN COULD DO WAS BE AN ANGRY GRUMPY OL' MAN WHO INSULTED EVERYONE HE COULD THINK OF AS HE STUMBLED FOR ANSWERS EVEN ON SIMPLE QUESTIONS. === OBAMA AND BIDEN IN '08!!

Posted by: benighse | October 16, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm Sorry...But Joe the Plumber making over 250,000 per year is a lot of money to me. Class warfare or not, I don't hear Oprah complaining that she will have to pay another 7% or all the sports guys (at least not yet)...In other words, they know that America through their hard work has given them more money than God. They also recognize as Obama was trying to explain regarding Joe the Plumber, that if not for the people who go to the Oprah show, buy Oprah's books etc.. etc.. she would not have the money she does. However, enough is enough. For just being mentioned, I bet Joe the Plumber has a book deal, is followed by the papparazzi, and will have to hire a publicist...after all it's the American Way and it is now Joe the Plumber's time to shine with all the money he will make thanks to the candidates. Who knows, if Obama gets in, maybe he'll consult Joe the Plumber...basically Joe the Plumber will now make more money than he ever dreamed..which is a good thing. However, even though he will make more because of this, he may not realize his good fortune and keep the "I work hard and don't want to give what is mine up"...no realizing he is working hard at the requests of the American people. If they decide not to call Joe the Plumbe and he only makes 250,000 per year...guess what...He doesn't get taxed...

Posted by: surrogate4 | October 16, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I hear a lot of excuses for John McCain's anger and attitude toward Barrack Obama. The fact is that when one cannot restrain ones anger then mistakes in judgment are made and I personally do not want a mad man with his finger on the red button. We have paid a heavy price for a vindictive administration and we are paying a huge price for the waste of money and lives to avenge a threat made by another mad man in Iraq. I think we will be far safer and more secure under Obama/ Biden for this reason alone. When you add the obvious instabilities of Ms. Palin and her associated following the stability of a McCain/ Palin administration scares the hell out of me. I think you all may be very pleased with an Obama presidency and just the thought of no more neocon pundits with their narrow minded view of the factual history of religious crusades of the past is so appealing as to force a vote for Mr. Obama even if he was to be a Muslim. You re elected Bush Jr. and you knew of his ties with Bin Laden over three years before you made that devastating mistake now didn't you! Your disease now it's time to take your medicine, grin, and bear it.

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | October 16, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

It is overwhelmingly clear that Mr. Obama's tax plan is far and away the better plan.

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Although the debate last night is being judged as a contest between two men, WE, the People will be the winners or losers. The issue to be decided by the election is whether we will restore our democracy and live by the rule of law and the Christian ethic under which our Country was founded and thrived or whether we will abandon the Constitution and the democratic principles for which it stands and continue on the course which has been imposed upon us by a neconservative dominated Republican administration..

Sen. McCain and the party he represents have shown that they are born losers. They can neither lead nor rule’ Their only answer to any problem is to use a bigger hammer.

Little is left for 95% of us but hope and we did not have much of that until Sen. Obama appeared on the scene. That hope has transcended national boundaries. Just the election of Sen. Obama could do much to relieve the world’s anxieties. The world could look forward to something other than war, genocide, and poverty, to security, well-being and a healthy planet.

Posted by: marrobcastle | October 16, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I have been most disgusted with the media and their ridiculous biased slant. I am an INDEPENDENT and I thought McCain came out on top and made Obama look inexperienced. Obama was also condescending by laughing at very serious allegations. He lied about his abortion voting record and failed to note that in Illinois, the Infant Born Alive Act came before senate 3xs, with the final version being neutral on Roe. v. Wade language, however he STILL opposed it! He said he voted against the Partial Birth Abortion Ban because it didn't protect the "health" of the mother, which McCain rightly pointed out means, "anything goes", however he failed to note that the reason all his fellow Democrats voted for it was because IT DOES contain an exception clause for the LIFE OF THE MOTHER! In fact the Supreme Court upheld it because they found "partial-birth abortion remains a disfavored procedure that is not only unnecessary to preserve the health of the mother, but in fact poses serious risks to the long-term health of women and in some circumstances, their lives."
Obama also lied about the extent of his involvement with Ayers and Acorn, important because of the formation he had from early "mentor" types, including Rev. Wright, who excuse me has been his spiritual mentor for the past 20 YEARS! You can't just say during a campaign, oh I distance myself from him now and that erases the incredible influence from a black supremacist, anti- American radical!!! Reverse the script and make it a male KKK reverend who would have mentored McCain for 20 years and the news coverage would be so different. Why?
I am an Independent because I don't think either party fully represents me as a Latina or is free from corruption, however, I have always liked McCain for being a moderate and working with both parties consistently, not one or two times like Obama. Also not pleasing certain constituents is not the same thing as taking on your party like Obama tried to say to dodge the question. Since Obama's campaign began he has changed his stance and revamped his website to take a more moderate view to win an election, but his views are anything but moderate. The media has decided to censor what it reports and slant what it does. After the election, we'll need major reform of the monopoly we call the Media. There is no free speech, just mouth pieces to very wealthy far left men.
This Independent LATINA is going McCAIN all the way!

Posted by: PhillyLatina | October 16, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd be angry too if I suddenly realized the rest of the American electorate was so retarded they could not see an obvious socialist.

Sad too.

Posted by: RobertNYC | October 16, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Redistribution of wealth platform by McCain is the same policy middle class had to endure for 8 years -- do we want to continue the redistribution of wealth to CEOs, oil companies, the wealthy under McCain? Under Bush we had redistribution of wealth from the top down -- it didn’t work then and it won’t work for McCain. We have the current economic crisis as proof that eight more years of McCain’s Top Down Redistribution of wealth policy doesn't work. If that is the type of administration you want (which I'm sure those making over 250,000 do), than vote McCain.

Posted by: steveeyes | October 16, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"I love it when Dem's say that giving tax breaks to the evil rich is wrong and giving tax breaks to "middle america" and taxing the evil rich is the right thing to do. Please do a little research and see who actually pays taxes in America. The top 5% already pay 95% of the taxes..."

--Posted by: tbastian

tbastian,
Either you are confused or deceitful. The TRUTH is the top 5% in this country account for only 27% of the tax burden*. Try as you might you cannot skew these numbers.

Did you hear that? That was your poor-a$$ argument falling to the ground!!!

*Source: Congressional budget office
(http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88xx/doc8885/EffectiveTaxRates.shtml)

Posted by: Godhimself1 | October 16, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"How do you lower taxes on 95% of America when over 30% pay no taxes? Give them a Govt check? What if they are living off of the Govt now? More Govt money? The class warefare tactic is getting really old and only goes to create a society where we all are dependant on the Govt for everything.. healthcare, retirement, housing, food, jobs. Creating a welfare state is not in the best interests of America."

Also, if you know anything about Obama's past, you would know that he help hundreds of people get off of welfare when he was a community organizer.

Obama believes that welfare is a stepping stone between hard times and new jobs. He wants people to use the welfare system only for the short amount of time it takes to find a job. He DOES NOT like it when people simply live off of welfare. Please look up Obama's past, and you will find that what I am saying is true.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 16, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"How do you lower taxes on 95% of America when over 30% pay no taxes? Give them a Govt check? What if they are living off of the Govt now? More Govt money? The class warefare tactic is getting really old and only goes to create a society where we all are dependant on the Govt for everything.. healthcare, retirement, housing, food, jobs. Creating a welfare state is not in the best interests of America."

You are missing the point. You can only lower taxes on taxable income. SO the people that don't work, don't have income, and don't fill out a tax form, therefore they don't get tax relief. This is a simple idea, I do not understand how you do not understand it.

If you think Obama wants to send a check to poor people you are wrong.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 16, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

On the subject of personnal attacks one must first define what it means. If you are trying to destroy ones character or appearance by attacking that directly, then you are using personnal attacks. If you are simply suggesting the other persons issues and decisions are wrong you are not using personnal attacks.

If you listen to each side you will hear the republican strategy is to attack Senator Obamas life and his character - personnal attacks. The democrats on the other hand are pointing out the faults with Senator McCains issues, choices for VP, etc, not attacking Senator McCain personnaly. The later strategy is dealing with substance, the former has no place in the campaign and doesn't help anyone make an informed decision

Posted by: lwcooke | October 16, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Texan2007,

You are wrong.

McCain supported drilling because the oil campanies paid him $1.5 million.

Obama recieved $500,000 from everyday workers who worked at the banks, NOT FROM THE BANKS THEMSELVES.

Obama AND McCain both voted against seperate bills that included offshore drilling.

1) Obama voted against the version that would allow offshore drilling without any restraints.

2) McCain voted against the verson that would allow offshore drilling, but force oil companies to give back land that they were not useing. It also funded more alternative energy research.

McCain wants offshore drilling, within 3 miles of the coast, and he wants it without having to penalize the oil companies at all. AND he wants to give the oil companies more tax relief, because 16 BILLION dollars PROFIT a year isn't enough.

Please keep in mind that offshore drilling will reduce the price of gasoline by 5% or less. That is like 15 cents a gallon.

Obama's plan is to increase the efficiency of cars so that you have to buy gas half as much, and that will save you ALOT MORE MONEY.

example:

You fill up once a week for $40.

McCains plan will save you 5%, so now you pay $38 dollars a week. Or a net savings of $8 a month.

Obama's plan will increase efficency so that you have to fill up once every two weeks, so now you pay $20 a week. Or a net savings of $80 a month.

Seems like Obama is ten times better then McCain.

Of course the Oil companies hate Obama's plan because there will be half of the demand for oil. Which means the price of oil will be roughly half of the price it is now.

So before, lets say oil is $100 a barrel, and they sell 100 barrels a year.(not real numbers obviously)

Now they sell 50 barrels a year, and have to lower there prices to $50 a barrel to sell it.

Before it was $100X100=$10,000 a year.
Now it is $50X50= $2500 a year.

Oil companies stand to lose almost 75% of there profits if Obama is elected. Now you should understand why the oil companies are paying lobbyists millions of dollars a month to work closely with McCain.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 16, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Dear Independent4tw,

How do you lower taxes on 95% of America when over 30% pay no taxes? Give them a Govt check? What if they are living off of the Govt now? More Govt money? The class warefare tactic is getting really old and only goes to create a society where we all are dependant on the Govt for everything.. healthcare, retirement, housing, food, jobs. Creating a welfare state is not in the best interests of America.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"So taxing the EVIL RICH more is ok by you? What happens when Obama raises everyones taxes? Clinton ran on a tax cut as well....."

I will beleive it when I see it. I would rather have my taxes raised, then have McCain charge all our debt to china anyway.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 16, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Manolete,

Just because you copy and paste lies all over the internet, does not mean your lies are true.

Please stop lying to America.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 16, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

McCain could have done more to make Obama's effort at looking to be cool and collected, more of an effort to keep his transparent lead. He spoke very slowly, and made a habit of saying "well thats a lot of information and let me take this one at a time." You could actually here him trying to think about how to say what he wanted to without saying too much. McCin should have asked more questions about Obama's affiliations with his radical friends, and made even further inqueries into his policies. In Particular his cutbacks and tax cuts that he was going to make. Becasue a little more detail would have casued Smooth talking Obama to studder his way into second place. Hopefully McCain can clarify over the next couple of weeks what it is he can do, and will do , and exhibit Obama as the liar he is. - McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: yokoprako23 | October 16, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Dear skolniks,
Facists Pig. Is that a marxist statement? Personal attacks are always reserved for the GOP right? Dems are above it. Yet, I see nothing but personal attacks from people such as yoursaelf.. the caring, non hate mongering party. I happen to get my news from a variety of sources and make my own opinions on issues. Thinking for oneself is a novel thought.

Dear Independent4tw,

So taxing the EVIL RICH more is ok by you? What happens when Obama raises everyones taxes? Clinton ran on a tax cut as well.....

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

McCain may be "real" -- whatever that means, but I'm willing to concede it. However, he would be "real bad" for the country.

In trying to pilfer "Joe the Plumber" away from Obama, he got his name wrong. That won't win many blue collar friends.

And he belabored Barack later in the debate for "voting against Justice Souter". Cripes sake, Souter was nominated by Bush 41 in 1990 -- almost twenty years ago. Barack was still in Harvard Law then, seven years away from being elected to the Illinois senate!

Now as to this "best line of the debates" -- McCain claiming he isn't Dubya. McSame keeps saying that Obama is too inexperienced to be President. Yet, last night he said Barack should've run four years ago (if he wanted to run against Bush). Run four years earlier? That doesn't sound too bright, coming from someone who claims Barack lacks experience.

This "best line", indeed, reminds me of an old National Lampoon True Fact: A Brazilian singer, Waldick Soriano, was popular for his song "I Am Not A Dog". At one concert, someone sent a dog onstage wearing a sign, "I Am Not Waldick Soriano". Soriano was so angry he stomped offstage and walked away from the concert.

So yes, John McSame -- we acknowledge that "You are not Waldick Soriano" either.

Posted by: laboo | October 16, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Dear skolniks ,

i think we both agree that Obama is the politicians politician. He is smooth and polished. He thinks and over thinks every answer and has carefully thought out talking points for every question. He is a great orator without question. Although examining his words really leaves you with nothing. When McCain asked him to name 1 time he went against his party leadership he could name one. He did have some carefully orchestrated responses which meant nothing ... not once has he EVER voted against his party leadership or stood up for corruption or wasteful spending. He still thinks that 8 Billion on earmark spending is "little". To me and most American tax payers 8 Billion Dollars is a lot of money.

Obama is a socialist. It is plain and simple. His policies for taxation on Joe Plumber, his stance on healthcare being a "right" are just wrong. He is a constitutional lawyer and I would think he is smart enough to know that no where in the US Constitution does it state that healthcare is a right....

As far as his national defense and foreign policy stance he is for conversation and diplomacy in almost every instance and giving the UN ultimate power. He does not understand the foreign policy landscape. Terrorists are not to be negotiated with. They do not have our ideals and treaties and negotiations for them are only a means of delay tactics while they pursue their evil intended goals of destruction of our country.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

McCain said one thing that stood out at the time -- but that he quickly glossed over...

He was speaking about President Kennedy and said that Kennedy did something until "the intervention" ...ah assassination in Dallas.

WHAT? WHAT THE HECK DID MCCAIN SAY?????????

Posted by: vicweast | October 16, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Watching and listening to John McCain last night was like "connect-the-dots" -- but sadly missing the lines.

For god's sake... Did McCain really say that he would have returning veterans be certified to teach children -- WITHOUT THEM HAVING ANY QUALIFICATIONS? ...What the heck was that?

McCain also answered a few questions (not all, but several) with a completely incomprehensible string of sentence fragments that made no sense.

I can only assume that the hero John McCain has picked up some sort of debilitating condition from his running mate Palin. They now both seem to not make much sense.

The only other option is that the "liberal" media hacked into the TV stream and edited on-the-fly McCain's statements. I am sure that there are some very very angry Republicans in the base who really really believe that.

Did McCain seem especially nervous to you? Did he stammer, did he speak in a language only he understands? Did he actually call Senator Obama "Senator Government"? Ha ha... that was funny, in a weird grimacing way. Did McCain seem especially "nasty" in how he interrupted and what he said?

McCain reminds me of the guy down the road that our parents told us to avoid... Kids: Don't risk getting your Halloween candy from Old Man McCain...

Posted by: vicweast | October 16, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Attention voters!
Some people really believe that what we need in the White House is a grumpy old man with an overdressed first lady to run the show. And, just in case, he would check out early he would be replaced with a "gun-totin" bimbo all loaded up with one-liners and ready to dazzle the crowd at some moose-shottin party!

Come on folks!Wake up! This is something serious going on that needs some serious attention. Put away the biases and prejudices and vote based on sound rational thinking, not because you don't like the skin tone. You've just got to be smarter than that, no matter how dumb some think you are. If you want to have a beer with Sarah or reminisce about the good old days in Nam, then feel free to go and do it. Just somewhere other than the White House. Look what's happened after the last time you picked your drinkin buddy!

Can you really look your kids in the eye and say you're doing the best thing for them? I'll bet if you ask your kid who to vote for they would set you straight. Maybe that's not a bad idea?

Posted by: inewsmaster | October 16, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

ANOTHER BIASED WAPO commentator.

The REAL joke is that Obama was LOSING until the economic crisis!
Then he went out ahead AFTER the economic crisis and this is the ONLY reason why he is ahead now. SO LOOK AT HIS REAL RECORD:

It is Obama NOT McCAIN that pocketed $500,000 (yes half a million dollars) from Fannie, Lehman and other lenders in this mortgage crisis while Americans were losing their homes. Obama and his DEMOCRAT MAJORITY pocketing money verses approving 2006 legislation for tighter regulations CAUSED THIS FAILURE! It was McCain that ASKED and Obama that said NO! Obama liked that half million dollars in his own pocket!

It is also Obama that voted AGAINST United stated drilling that led to the Middle East DEPENDENCY and $4.00 per gallon gasoline and the beginning of the economic crisis! This will continue if we do not drill! 10 years from now we will be in the same boat! Look at the rich Middle East! THEY, THE MIDDLE EAST, HAVE YOUR MONEY BECAUSE OF THE CHOICES OBAMA HAS MADE.

AMERICA, OBAMA CREATED THIS MESS. DO NOT REWARD HIM WITH YOUR VOTE. PLEASE DO NOT. HIS HALF MILLION DOLLARS WAS REWARD ENOUGH! YOU PAID HIM FROM YOUR TAX DOLLARS!

Posted by: Texan2007 | October 16, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Taxing the top 5% by 2% more will allow the bottom 95% to have a reduction in taxes by 5%.

Considering that the top 5% make their profits of the back of the bottom 95%, and keep these profits in savings most of the time, it would be better to lower taxes for the bottom 95%. How else will these corporations sell their useless junk if the working class people can not buy it.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 16, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

tbastian - if you pull away from the Fox News smear and fear machine and the Limbaugh psychotics, and get yourself a life, you may not have to spew nonsense. Another fascist pig in the making.

Posted by: skolniks | October 16, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Sorry David. The majority of people in this country would disagree with your flawed line of reasoning. Can't see the forest for the trees so they say.

If more people were able to control their emotions like Obama in the face of a crude, disrespectful, and immature man such as McCain, perhaps there wouldn't be so much war in the world. McCain has gotten away with murder with his eye-blinking, attacking and ADD type behaviour; but fortunately most Americans are not interested in seeing Obama getting caught up in the antics of a drama queen.

Posted by: skolniks | October 16, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I love it when Dem's say that giving tax breaks to the evil rich is wrong and giving tax breaks to "middle america" and taxing the evil rich is the right thing to do. Please do a little research and see who actually pays taxes in America. The top 5% already pay 95% of the taxes. Over 30% of America pays NO TAXES AT ALL. Believe it or not lowering tax burden can and does stimulate more taxes for our economy. As investment in business increases, pay increases and spending on good and services increases. Raises taxes and people have less to spend. When they spend less there are less taxes collected.

If you tax the EVIL RICH.... ( and small businesses making over $250,000... most small businesses that actually hire and employ people make more than that.. I work and have always worked for small businesses as do more than 50% of America ) those EVIL RICH and small businesses either don't hire or don't give out pay raises to their employees becuase they can't afford it. Although if you subscribe to the teachings of Karl Marx ( LIKE OBAMA ) then everything should belong to the Govt. and we all work for the good of the country and the Govt. is the "psrent" that takes care of us all. I see how well that worked for the former USSR and Cuba.

Posted by: tbastian | October 16, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

McCain = Palin = The abuse of nowhere

Posted by: todgully | October 16, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

John McCain did great. He's real, nothing to hide and didn't even hide anything although the whole country is watching. Obama is trying to be nice, polish because he's a young man. It's always easy to see frastruation and anger from older people and that's acceptable and forgivable. But experience wise, McCain is way too better than Obama. For Obama, he knows he came this high because of his charm and luck.
For Palin, what if she becomes the best VP for America. Look at Queen Elizabeth (I) and Queen Victoria, they became leaders of their coutry when they were young and inexperienced. But they became the most powerful leaders in their country's history. If Sarah Palin really cares and loves for this country, I'm sure she'll do her best. Have some faith on her.

Posted by: davidhtinkyaw | October 16, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

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